Yes! As a 5" compact owner myself I'm feeling all sorts of fuzzy seeing you demolish the swinging target compared to the 4" just kinda nudging it round after round in the other video. I was actively searching for a 4", but stopped when I found out the 5" was coming out. Wanted a weapon that simply did it's job of shooting as well as a pistol could. And here the compact frame allows for civilian concealability while the 5" barrel bestows duty level firepower in the same Walther quality package. This video verifies my decision to wait was a good one, thank you very much for that! They sure know what they're doing at Walther! Also, in regards to EDC; no regrets here due to carrying this thing in a Phlster Pro Series IWB holster. They have some very scientific videos on why a longer slide gun actually conceals more comfortably. Counter-intuitive, but it's true. I have my holster on a good belt and I could wear my Walther all day. I would like to see you expand on this platform in a future video. Would like to see how you get it to perform at some longer ranges under pressure. Y'all did a fantastic job of showing the difference an extra inch can make for that 9mm cartridge!
We've been meaning to get sciency and show folks what a difference it makes. It's even bigger with some other calibers. I carried a 3.8" 45acp when I didn't know any better. That 3.8" 45 actually had LESS muzzle energy than a 4" 9mm!
I got the PDP 5" 18+1. Extremely pleased. Nothing but praises. The only thing I did was to replace the guide rod with a: Recoil Management Guide Rod System by Sprinco, highly recommended
My hands are too small for that slide lock problem, lol. I love my PDP. I may change the sights to something that allows me to focus on the front sight easier. But that's the only thing I'd change. Walther {Val-ter}'s hit a home run.
Excellent video , love how other people appreciate the smell as much as I do 😄 I liked how you tested all different ammo I usually just use 115 grain but it’s good to know the gun performs different with different ammo .
Initially I bought the Walther PDP full size 5" barrel 18+1. I was so impressed with its reliability, accuracy, and amazing trigger pull, that motivated me to buy the PDP compact 15+1. This one was a L.E. edition, came with 3 magazines and XS night sights installed from the factory. I also changed the factory sights on the full size one for AmeriGlo Trooper night sights. I truly am very pleased with both PDP handguns. They are unblemished. I hope that Walther will eventually make a PDP tactical and a sport match target in the near future. Two thumbs up! Excellent video assessment, as it is customary from you.
Thank you. Yes these really are impressive guns. They feel so light in the hand you almost suspect they'll be rough to shoot, but in fact they're great!
I haven't tried others to compare to because at the time I bought it there was nothing comparable, but on the P99 it's amazing. It prevents the slide from bottoming out on the frame which is where most felt recoil comes from. Keeps things very flat
Teya, " What's that smell ?" It's fine synthetic ULM German assembly oil. Like the smells of a new BMW M3 after it pulls into the pits after a track work out. Sniffff 🇩🇪🇺🇲👍
@@GBGuns must be nice to have that many Walthers... (including ALL the others you’ve reviewed). After getting a PPQ, and since I’m out of LE, I’m slowly trying to grow my Walther collection (including hopefully someday a P5 Compact, with an American style mag release and wood grips)
I'm an unabashed fan. Just one of those companies I admire. They did after all create the first real duty concealed gun (PP) and first reasonable SA/DA service weapon (P38 and root of the P5), then first company with interchangeable back straps, the incredible P99AS system...the list goes on.
You 2 really made me wait for this one huh? It's all good very worth it. I'll tell you when I ordered my Compact 5in ...(STOP FIGHTING EVERYONE YESS ITS A COMPACT SORRY THAT UPSETS YOU ...JUST READ THE FRAME IT HAS A NAME ON IT )....sorry guys, anyway when I got mine I was a little skeptical because I didn't read the barrel length and I was looking for a 4.5 and when I noticed I bought the 5 incher I just went with it ...but now I'm glad I got it you both have made me excited to have it! My wife doesn't like guns but I think I'm going to have her try this one at the range hopefully I can win her over with it ...thanks again for all you both do for the Carry community I appreciate you both very much see you next post!
Excellent commentary about carrying a 5 inch compact. I may very well decide to pick one up based on your testimony. I think the benefits may very well outweigh the cons. I might be more concerned with the bulkier (vs. the original P99/PPQ profile) slide than the length.
Would be very interesting to hear opinion base in experience of shooting the 5 inches PDP 15 capacity VS Canik TPR 9 SFX.My question is base on looking for which of the two is more balance to shoot and perform, specially best grip and control between them. Will I’ve to hear the experience out there.
This is the version I was looking at. I bought the Pro instead since it came with upgraded trigger and 3 18 round mags. Around 500 rounds in and zero complaints
G - you obviously need some kind of surgical Walther mod done to that yeti thumb of yours. ;-) Or maybe a strategically placed lump on the grip. I generally like the typical 17 round grip frames just fine on non-concealment guns, but if we get screwed into limited capacity mags again, these compact frames will have more general appeal.
Have you been in "actual combat"? I have (Afghanistan 05-06 and Iraq 08-09) and I was still able to function with the M16's fine motor functions. How? Training.
I held one of these at my local shop the other day after watching this I may just go buy it been waiting on the 4in compact but I’m gonna pull the trigger!
You may have waited too long. My PDP was being sold by two gun shops near my house. At one, the counter guy literally said "You need to get here within an hour of the shipment hitting our door. I can't keep it in the case." I went to the other, saw it in the case, and I couldn't wait. Figured it wouldn't be there the next time around.
Absolutely can not wait to get mine to the range. Just did paperwork on the 4th. Now that Washington has i1639 even as a CCL holder I now have to wait 10 days to get the proceed lol
Glad I'm not the only thumb rider seeing you & the comments here 👍 Any play in the top end like a few folks I've seen have experienced 🤔 My 4" compact PDP is nice & tight just waiting for my local guy to get the 5" in.....
@@GBGuns Thanks for the reply! Seems odd as my 4 inch is nice & tight as are my PPQ M1's in both the 4 & 5" models. Will check one out once my guy has one in though 👍
@@cjbecker1683 I think the extra play is simply because though the slide is longer the rails are in the same place so there's more leverage on those points.
I've watched basically all your reviews of the variants of this gun, and it seems you like the shooting experience that this 5 inch gives you the most? You two both shoot it great 👍
About two weeks ago I had found a discontinued Polymer80 frame, of which I am known to build quite a bit.....because Merica’ !! All joking aside, it’s a Glock 19 lower, carrying a G17 slide up top. It’s about to join my carry crew after another 300 rounds or so (500rnds minimum) because I LOVE the concealablility of the G19 lower, but the ballistics out of the G17 are better in my mind. I bet the barn that the G17 is almost similar to the PDP in weight distribution, which I believe Teya mentioned, and slinging those seeds of freedom down range, recoil impulse-wise. Graham you need to tape your left thumb to you your left pointer finger, so no more slide riding 😁👍🏽 Wait a minute, didn’t you say that you were left handed at one point?? A left handed man in a right handed mans world!
I am left-handed, but on a Walther it doesn't matter, the slide lock/release is on both sides. I have become more trained with my right now than my left after years of shooting.
Internal guide rod spring is why it’s slower, IMO, I switched mine out on my new metro arms 1911, with next poundage up from Wilson combat , fixed that real quick.
Bullet weight often impacts feeding as it requires a different shape. Additionally the different projectile weights get moving at different points so they peak pressure dwell time differs.
@@Soulseeker223 just becuase it dosent list it for 5 inch models dosent mean they dont fit phlsters pro fits all dark star geae fits all ksg armory is another quality one tenicor may fit but not sure
Ah you just answered my question I always like the 4" barrel but full size grip. Long barrel short handle figure the gun will take longer to go back to zero.
@@GBGuns Yeah, mechanical they are all the same more or less. Now whether or not you can get one is a different story...if Walther can't get it, the original importer known as Earls Repair Service was able to get parts and has full schematics on his website which is carl walther dot c o m
My Canik SFX Rival, witch is a "walther clone" is so similar as i see to the 5" pdp I just can't wait for my next range day. The rival is a 5.2" barrel, obviously more of a comp pistol. And i have to say the trigger is dangerously light compared to a duty pistol. So fun to shoot though. I will keep my sub XD 40. at the ready for intimate encounters.
Ohh yeah that shoots great! I’d love it as my service gun But “What holster am I gonna put it in OWB?” I use a Bianchi Carrylok Model 82 for big frame(any) well not any - Glocks.
Shot this gun today and was really surprised how snappy it felt. The gun came back very quick to target and was very accurate. But the snappiness really surprised me as I was sold on this gun and was trying to decide betwee this or a Glock 19/45.
@@ricks2651 Thanks brother I’m so happy you told me to go with a 4.5 I’m grabbing it today after work. I personally think the full size handle with a 4 1/2 inch barrel is the perfect balance
Both of your shooting forms are very good! I’ve been looking forward to buying this PDP but I’m concerned about the slide release issue that you we’re having Graham!?!
It boils down to a training issue. Walther slide releases are LONG (compared to Glock, M&P, etc.) Which means no reaching to actuate it but also means that if you grip it like a 1911, you will never get slide lock. I've noticed I actually have to prepare myself for shooting walthers by doing some dry fire with my thumb *under* the side release. After that adjustment period, I have no problem. In fairness to Walther, i need an adjustment period with Glocks too, but it's worse for them because I'm adjusting to the grip angle so I don't shoot high.
I'm looking at the PDP as a possible first handgun while I wait on my rpal license to arrive in the mail. Living in Canada there no conceal carry, no silencers, no real home defense legal backing and only 10 round max mags. So it's pretty much just me and range/target fire. With all that in mind, what are the advantages/disadvantages behind barrel length and grip length? I'm hearing a longer barrel makes for less recoil, so perhaps a 5" version is a good choice. Does full size or compact grip length much matter when I get 10 rounds regardless? Does having smaller or bigger hands make all the difference in the purchase decision?
I was about to ask the same question, capacity aside, is the balance any diff on the full size grip? I'm kinda leaning towards the compact but the full size kinda looks more proportional to me.
when you're mentioning 'pinky' you mean the one from support hand or 'the trigger' one ? ruclips.net/video/7gI8eXJAXj8/видео.html in this video sequence it doens't look like the shooter is having enough space for the support hand pinky.
Hello !: I’am searching for Walther PDP Compact 18 Magazine extension adapter... to protect the gun when using the 18 round magazine. Can’t find them .. thanks!!
I have the same problem with my grip not locking the slide back which I don't like but it's a great gun. During the first 150 rounds when. Chambering a round either from slide release or racking the bullet would nosedive o The ramp .which 2 reviews of the pdp had the same problem .but haven't had that after that
Dear Friends: What red dot do you recommend or the new PDP Walther? Not a fun of red dots , but will love to have an opinion, nothing fancy , will be the first time . Just want to give them a try. Like them in my rifles but still have seconds thoughts in my hand guns. Thanks!
That's a tough request. Although we've used a lot of red dots we haven't done a ton on pistols and are still experimenting. I'm a fan of the Sightmark Mini Shot M Spec, but we also just bought a Holosun 507C X2 that looks promising
Thanks a lot!!!!.... I’am still trying to convince myself. Will try a few before making any investment. Will research those two. Keep up with all your honest reviews , highly appreciated.
@@GBGuns true, I like the look of the q4 but the barrel is a little too short for my taste I think it would of been suitable for at least a 4.5, I also like the look of steel better than polymer but that’s just me
I guess your concern for the loose fit of the slide from part one did not effect accuracy. Would you say that this PDP would perform better than the others with +p+ loads?
@@GBGuns I agree with your carry assessment. As in all carry it's up to the individual. Correct me if I am wrong but the compact PDP 5 inch is the appropriate size of a 1911, which a number of people EDC CC.
So the reason for a 5 inch is that the bullet will go farther or what? I am not sure what the advantage is between the different sizes. I am new to using handguns. Any tips would be helpful. What is best for an armed security guard gun? The full size 5 inch or another size?
A longer barrel give you more muzzle energy (bullet traveling faster) and a longer sight radius which makes aiming easier. As a sude effect the heavier slide cycles a little slower which makes recoil control easier. For duty a full size is fine. Long-barrels are more for competition use.
@@GBGuns So then for an actual police officer or armed security guard the longer barrel is not as tactical or good? It's better to have a shorter barrel?
@@MaharlikaAWA for an actual gunfight training is more important than equipment. The difference between full size and compact is more of a hand fit. Find a place that has both and hold them.
Would you recommend the Compact 5” PDP over the 4” after finally shooting it? I am looking for a do it all gun for CCW, Range Fun, and Home Defense Pistol.
@@ricks2651 thanks.. was hoping you would say that. I'm about to buy one, and having some difficulty in making the choice. So far, I'm leaning towards the 4.5 full size, since this will replace a Glock 17 as a duty type range gun.
Anyone been able to find any IWB holster options for this gun? I’ve been trying to get a 4” compact for months, but was only able to find one of these and plan on trading it for a 4” if one ever appears. In the meantime I’d still like to be able to carry something so if anyone has any options lmk
Fortunately your original comment made more sense. Between the two you'll notice a smoother recoil rithym with a longer slide, and more energy for knocking over steel (or other targets) if used in competition. Red dots eliminate the sight-radius factor, but do not replace physics.
@@GBGuns Okay, thank you. I've been renting a full size 4.5 (at least I think it's a 4.5) at my local range and I really enjoy it so I wasn't sure if I wanted to go compact or go full grip and full barrel. Thank you for the quick response. There are 5 variations of the PDP (more on the way I'm sure), and it's the first time I'm doing TONS of research on one firearm just cause there are plenty of configurations.
@@GBGuns I have not. The gun store has a few variants (only the full is for rent) and tomorrow I'll be trying to grip on each and playing 20 questions. I'm also going to a gun show next week to see about deals and maybe there will be the other variants. My current Walther EDC is a CCP M2 and though it fits my hand well, it's a bit too snappy for me and I'm not very good with it in terms of accuracy or control. Also the trigger is so-so. Not sure if you had any thoughts on it. If you have a review on it I'll gladly watch. So when I tried the full size PDP, even though it's a bit big in my hands, I liked the accuracy and control. But I'm not sure if you should use the full size if your hand doesn't fit the grip so well. There's a lot of open space under my hands but it doesn't seem to bother me much. It defeats the purpose of the lip at the bottom that they advertise as something to help acquire your red dots since my hands don't get near it. I'm sure that's rectified with the compact but again, I'm not sure if compact is really my thing. My other EDC is Taurus G3 (not the G3c) and even though again, it's a little big, I love how absorbent the gun is with recoil.
And bigger guns are usually easier to shoot. We have full tabletop and range reviews of the CCP M2 in both 380 and 9mm. That gun is great in 380, but a little snappy in 9mm.
I’m just gonna say it; I finally got to hold one in a gun shop, and I was not impressed by the reset. Break was nice for a factory trigger for sure, but reset was longer than I can accept.
@@GBGuns he must be smokin crack...maybe the canik tp9 elite combat...other than that, unless we're including wc, staccato, dw...etc..which are thousands more...
Ok... now just when are you testing the 5" Manurhin MR73? And... Walther when are you coming out with a 5" CCP Improved DS trigger all steel gun?????? What's the advantage... Robert explains its in the fish, man, just that simple! ruclips.net/video/ZdtHvwV0RV4/видео.html
This pistol is an oxymoron… why would you have a long slide and a short grip? Maybe I’m missing something. You’re not going to conceal it… so why have the reduced capacity?
The grip is the hardest part to conceal, the barrel length determines energy and round efficiency. Small grip=easier to conceal. Longer barrel =longer sight radius and more muzzle energy. For some reason people seem to ha e forgotten that most 9mm is designed to perform from a 4" or longer. The shorter you go the less chance you have that fancy HP will perform as advertised.
Walther has 5" full size (18+1) and 5" compact (15+1) models. 4.5" is full size only and the 4" also comes in both full and compact size. Compacts can use PPQ mags, which is nice.
Bought the PDP 4 inches as soon as I can and love it . Really impressed with how accurate they are even my first day in the range . Can’t imagine how much better will be with the 5 inches. The only 5 inches I shoot is the Springfield Elite 5.25, shoots very impressive. The only Springfield I have since we are all at home Walther fans but have been a dream in the range , competitions and fun gun. Can’t wait to try the PDP 5 inches .
Justin S i think you're missing the history of it all. Pistols began as duty guns. The Browning High Power started things off with doublestacks at 13 rounds. In today's age roughly the same size gun holds 17, shortening the frame to 15 is compact (typically slide too). 4" is generally the shortest you'd want a 9mm barrel unless you're using specialty ammo. Even most modern hollow points still need 4" of barrel to get the necessary speed. That made 4" slide and a 15 round grip the norm for compact. All the smaller guns that have been popular since the late 90s only came about when concealed carry became a thing. Since they're 50 years or so behind the naming convention they're "sub compact" and now "micro compact" which is about the same size as single stack 9s from the early 2000s, but since they have a double stack mag they're compacted.
@@GBGuns I'm not missing the history at all. I'm well aware of all of this and I believe it's silly to call such a gun compact. I don't need a lesson. The terminology is poor.
I absolutely love my 4" compact with a holosun 507c red dot on it. I've never shot a pistol as well as I do with thecPDP
Yes! As a 5" compact owner myself I'm feeling all sorts of fuzzy seeing you demolish the swinging target compared to the 4" just kinda nudging it round after round in the other video. I was actively searching for a 4", but stopped when I found out the 5" was coming out. Wanted a weapon that simply did it's job of shooting as well as a pistol could. And here the compact frame allows for civilian concealability while the 5" barrel bestows duty level firepower in the same Walther quality package. This video verifies my decision to wait was a good one, thank you very much for that! They sure know what they're doing at Walther!
Also, in regards to EDC; no regrets here due to carrying this thing in a Phlster Pro Series IWB holster. They have some very scientific videos on why a longer slide gun actually conceals more comfortably. Counter-intuitive, but it's true. I have my holster on a good belt and I could wear my Walther all day.
I would like to see you expand on this platform in a future video. Would like to see how you get it to perform at some longer ranges under pressure. Y'all did a fantastic job of showing the difference an extra inch can make for that 9mm cartridge!
We've been meaning to get sciency and show folks what a difference it makes. It's even bigger with some other calibers. I carried a 3.8" 45acp when I didn't know any better. That 3.8" 45 actually had LESS muzzle energy than a 4" 9mm!
I got the PDP 5" 18+1. Extremely pleased. Nothing but praises. The only thing I did was to replace the guide rod with a: Recoil Management Guide Rod System by Sprinco, highly recommended
"The recoil was really soft and it smells good" Best quote I've heard all week.
i need a pdp
My hands are too small for that slide lock problem, lol. I love my PDP. I may change the sights to something that allows me to focus on the front sight easier. But that's the only thing I'd change. Walther {Val-ter}'s hit a home run.
Shuck-chuck vs. snap-pop is an incredible description for the smoothness of the Walther PDP.
The 5" is a wonderful gun and shooter. I like that it's even light enough to cc. Great review.
Excellent video , love how other people appreciate the smell as much as I do 😄
I liked how you tested all different ammo
I usually just use 115 grain but it’s good to know the gun performs different with different ammo .
Initially I bought the Walther PDP full size 5" barrel 18+1. I was so impressed with its reliability, accuracy, and amazing trigger pull, that motivated me to buy the PDP compact 15+1. This one was a L.E. edition, came with 3 magazines and XS night sights installed from the factory. I also changed the factory sights on the full size one for AmeriGlo Trooper night sights. I truly am very pleased with both PDP handguns. They are unblemished. I hope that Walther will eventually make a PDP tactical and a sport match target in the near future.
Two thumbs up!
Excellent video assessment, as it is customary from you.
Thank you. Yes these really are impressive guns. They feel so light in the hand you almost suspect they'll be rough to shoot, but in fact they're great!
@@GBGuns I suggest to change the factory spring guide polymer rod for a Recoil Management Guide Rod System made by Sprinco.
@@v.german11b I can do one better, I've got a DPM Systems that has been living in my P99 for the last few years.
@@GBGuns have you have enough experience with the DPM? If you highly recommend it, I may buy it.
I haven't tried others to compare to because at the time I bought it there was nothing comparable, but on the P99 it's amazing. It prevents the slide from bottoming out on the frame which is where most felt recoil comes from. Keeps things very flat
Teya, " What's that smell ?"
It's fine synthetic ULM German assembly oil.
Like the smells of a new BMW M3 after it pulls into the pits after a track work out. Sniffff
🇩🇪🇺🇲👍
I love that I can see both a lady’s and a gentleman’s perspective on this gun.
Welcome to GBGuns!
Recently got one of these. I really like it! I would be VERY INTERESTED seeing Walther doing a PDP in .45ACP.
Her trigger control is almost perfect now. Great job!
I looked up GB PDP and holy cow, you’ve got 2 videos on every version out there!
So far! Just about Every gun gets a tabletop and shooting impression video, sometimes more.
@@GBGuns must be nice to have that many Walthers... (including ALL the others you’ve reviewed). After getting a PPQ, and since I’m out of LE, I’m slowly trying to grow my Walther collection (including hopefully someday a P5 Compact, with an American style mag release and wood grips)
I'm an unabashed fan. Just one of those companies I admire. They did after all create the first real duty concealed gun (PP) and first reasonable SA/DA service weapon (P38 and root of the P5), then first company with interchangeable back straps, the incredible P99AS system...the list goes on.
@@GBGuns exactly, the P38 inspired the Beretta M9 operating system, the PPS was the first polymer frame single stack 9...
You 2 really made me wait for this one huh? It's all good very worth it. I'll tell you when I ordered my Compact 5in ...(STOP FIGHTING EVERYONE YESS ITS A COMPACT SORRY THAT UPSETS YOU ...JUST READ THE FRAME IT HAS A NAME ON IT )....sorry guys, anyway when I got mine I was a little skeptical because I didn't read the barrel length and I was looking for a 4.5 and when I noticed I bought the 5 incher I just went with it ...but now I'm glad I got it you both have made me excited to have it! My wife doesn't like guns but I think I'm going to have her try this one at the range hopefully I can win her over with it ...thanks again for all you both do for the Carry community I appreciate you both very much see you next post!
Excellent commentary about carrying a 5 inch compact. I may very well decide to pick one up based on your testimony. I think the benefits may very well outweigh the cons. I might be more concerned with the bulkier (vs. the original P99/PPQ profile) slide than the length.
Would be very interesting to hear opinion base in experience of shooting the 5 inches PDP 15 capacity VS Canik TPR 9 SFX.My question is base on looking for which of the two is more balance to shoot and perform, specially best grip and control between them. Will I’ve to hear the experience out there.
@@faustoramos8840 Someone just posted a comparison today I believe.
This is the version I was looking at. I bought the Pro instead since it came with upgraded trigger and 3 18 round mags. Around 500 rounds in and zero complaints
LIKE THE REVIEWS. you keep it real, thanks guys
G - you obviously need some kind of surgical Walther mod done to that yeti thumb of yours. ;-)
Or maybe a strategically placed lump on the grip.
I generally like the typical 17 round grip frames just fine on non-concealment guns, but if we get screwed into limited capacity mags again, these compact frames will have more general appeal.
I like people that use the slide release
It's a bad idea.
How do you figure?
@@GBGuns because in actual combat, fine motor functions are out the window. Get used to slingshot. It's more reliable and effective.
Have you been in "actual combat"? I have (Afghanistan 05-06 and Iraq 08-09) and I was still able to function with the M16's fine motor functions. How? Training.
@@GBGuns yes. And I'm not speaking of you or me, but the average user.
Tia, that's the smell of Victory ✌️
And freedom 😉
I went with this one over the large grip as I love the long-slide PPQ.
I held one of these at my local shop the other day after watching this I may just go buy it been waiting on the 4in compact but I’m gonna pull the trigger!
Get the 4.5" 18 rounds of sexy.
You may have waited too long. My PDP was being sold by two gun shops near my house. At one, the counter guy literally said "You need to get here within an hour of the shipment hitting our door. I can't keep it in the case." I went to the other, saw it in the case, and I couldn't wait. Figured it wouldn't be there the next time around.
Absolutely can not wait to get mine to the range. Just did paperwork on the 4th. Now that Washington has i1639 even as a CCL holder I now have to wait 10 days to get the proceed lol
I can't stand unconstitutional laws, but if it helps the average NICS wait currently is 6-8 days anyways
Glad I'm not the only thumb rider seeing you & the comments here 👍 Any play in the top end like a few folks I've seen have experienced 🤔 My 4" compact PDP is nice & tight just waiting for my local guy to get the 5" in.....
Yes, some play, but it doesn't impact accuracy. The play is in slide to frame, but not barrel in slide.
@@GBGuns Thanks for the reply! Seems odd as my 4 inch is nice & tight as are my PPQ M1's in both the 4 & 5" models. Will check one out once my guy has one in though 👍
@@cjbecker1683 I think the extra play is simply because though the slide is longer the rails are in the same place so there's more leverage on those points.
@@GBGuns That makes sense.....still waiting for one to appear locally 😉
Just had one ordered after dumping about 100 rds through a rental at the range. Can't wait!
I've watched basically all your reviews of the variants of this gun, and it seems you like the shooting experience that this 5 inch gives you the most? You two both shoot it great 👍
Longer slides are almost always easier and softer shooting
About two weeks ago I had found a discontinued Polymer80 frame, of which I am known to build quite a bit.....because Merica’ !! All joking aside, it’s a Glock 19 lower, carrying a G17 slide up top. It’s about to join my carry crew after another 300 rounds or so (500rnds minimum) because I LOVE the concealablility of the G19 lower, but the ballistics out of the G17 are better in my mind. I bet the barn that the G17 is almost similar to the PDP in weight distribution, which I believe Teya mentioned, and slinging those seeds of freedom down range, recoil impulse-wise. Graham you need to tape your left thumb to you your left pointer finger, so no more slide riding 😁👍🏽 Wait a minute, didn’t you say that you were left handed at one point?? A left handed man in a right handed mans world!
I am left-handed, but on a Walther it doesn't matter, the slide lock/release is on both sides. I have become more trained with my right now than my left after years of shooting.
Internal guide rod spring is why it’s slower, IMO, I switched mine out on my new metro arms 1911, with next poundage up from Wilson combat , fixed that real quick.
It's the same guide rod in all the PDPs
I meant a higher poundage spring.
That slide lock issue is the same problem I have. I've been trying to train myself to rest the thumb under instead of on top and it it's tough.
Justin. Same here but I don't change my grip for the gun
@@waterhead1359 the grip hold not allowing the slide to lock back is affecting most, if not all, striker-fired polymer frame handguns.
Nice video ... I think I need this one ..
The bullet weight doesn't affect the cycling action as much as you might think in a defensive pistol. The powder leaf matters more
Bullet weight often impacts feeding as it requires a different shape. Additionally the different projectile weights get moving at different points so they peak pressure dwell time differs.
I like the PDP definitely snappy compared to others such as p10c ,smith& wesson, caniks .etc
Wish I waited for the 5" model. Just as concealable.
That's what I got, and that's what I carry concealed. Yes, it can be done.
@@v.german11b what holster did you get? Only IWB options I’ve been able to find are for the 4” or the 4.5”
@@Soulseeker223 check out "Slimholsters" on Instagram or their website.
@@Soulseeker223 just becuase it dosent list it for 5 inch models dosent mean they dont fit phlsters pro fits all dark star geae fits all ksg armory is another quality one tenicor may fit but not sure
It just needs to be an open-ended holster. The rest of the gun is the same
Ah you just answered my question I always like the 4" barrel but full size grip. Long barrel short handle figure the gun will take longer to go back to zero.
Really digging the pdp
i really don't need another polymer striker fired pistol. but if i did, it would be the walther pdp. i have been seriously considering one of these.
Ya know Graham....you can swap a P99's slide release on the ppq/pdp which will sit way more flush and is much smaller all the way around.
I do, in fact I've heard you can P99 a PPQ almost entirely
@@GBGuns Yeah, mechanical they are all the same more or less. Now whether or not you can get one is a different story...if Walther can't get it, the original importer known as Earls Repair Service was able to get parts and has full schematics on his website which is carl walther dot c o m
My Canik SFX Rival, witch is a "walther clone" is so similar as i see to the 5" pdp I just can't wait for my next range day. The rival is a 5.2" barrel, obviously more of a comp pistol. And i have to say the trigger is dangerously light compared to a duty pistol. So fun to shoot though. I will keep my sub XD 40. at the ready for intimate encounters.
Ohh yeah that shoots great! I’d love it as my service gun But “What holster am I gonna put it in OWB?” I use a Bianchi Carrylok Model 82 for big frame(any) well not any - Glocks.
Walther has a list of holster companies on their site.
Another episode of "When my thumb gets in the way". Lol
Cool gun, great video. Thank you.
I have the full size and I love it..............
great videos very informative m definitely getting this thank you. please continue making these great videos
Thank you and welcome to the channel, we've reviewed hundreds of guns using this same format.
Getting my 5" compact next week, I am giddy.
Shot this gun today and was really surprised how snappy it felt. The gun came back very quick to target and was very accurate. But the snappiness really surprised me as I was sold on this gun and was trying to decide betwee this or a Glock 19/45.
Walther uses a stepped chamber that tends to provide slightly higher velocity and better accuracy, but slightly snappier recoil.
I have one of each and I really enjoy them. 4", 4.5", and 5".
Which one do you like the best is the question?? I’m Trying to decide on a 4.5 or 5 inch??
@@GSUnit21 the 4.5 it's the best.
@@ricks2651 Really appreciate it sir that’s the one I think I’m getting!
@@GSUnit21 excellent choice sir.
@@ricks2651 Thanks brother I’m so happy you told me to go with a 4.5 I’m grabbing it today after work. I personally think the full size handle with a 4 1/2 inch barrel is the perfect balance
Great gun! Even better video!
Thank you
Both of your shooting forms are very good! I’ve been looking forward to buying this PDP but I’m concerned about the slide release issue that you we’re having Graham!?!
I have it with all Walthers. Not really an issue unless you're going to be emptying mags and replacing them often.
It boils down to a training issue. Walther slide releases are LONG (compared to Glock, M&P, etc.) Which means no reaching to actuate it but also means that if you grip it like a 1911, you will never get slide lock. I've noticed I actually have to prepare myself for shooting walthers by doing some dry fire with my thumb *under* the side release. After that adjustment period, I have no problem. In fairness to Walther, i need an adjustment period with Glocks too, but it's worse for them because I'm adjusting to the grip angle so I don't shoot high.
@@TheBluntNinja correct. Just avoid your holding thumb to ride the slide stop/release by separating slightly from touching the lever.
The blonde moment at 7:20 really turns into one of the best realizations. It smells really nice. 🇺🇸🦅
I want the 5 in PDP. Do you guys like the full size grip or compact grip better?
We both like the compact grip better
The M&P and cz 5 inch shoots beautiful
Been loving my full size and recently got a compact 5 inch as well
The compact just looks more sexy when you slap on a 15+2 mag.,it adds a design element to the look.
@@rambojojo i think they look more less the same but i dont get anyof my pistols for look jist function form and reliablity
Do you like the compact grip or full size grip better when shooting?
Better shooting than the 4 incher .
If I get one I might have my gunsmith trim down the slide release to a more reasonable size.
I'm looking at the PDP as a possible first handgun while I wait on my rpal license to arrive in the mail. Living in Canada there no conceal carry, no silencers, no real home defense legal backing and only 10 round max mags.
So it's pretty much just me and range/target fire. With all that in mind, what are the advantages/disadvantages behind barrel length and grip length? I'm hearing a longer barrel makes for less recoil, so perhaps a 5" version is a good choice. Does full size or compact grip length much matter when I get 10 rounds regardless? Does having smaller or bigger hands make all the difference in the purchase decision?
I am looking to get a holster for my Walter PDP compact and you recommendations
Is recoil and resume better on the 5" or 4.5" barrel?
Next the 4.5"! Lol. I know you did it 2 months ago.
Good stuff
Do you prefer the 5 inch compact or 5 inch full size for competitive shooting
I'm considering the 5" compact or 5" full size. With the compact, can you get a full grip including pinky on grip?
I just about can and have large hands
I was about to ask the same question, capacity aside, is the balance any diff on the full size grip? I'm kinda leaning towards the compact but the full size kinda looks more proportional to me.
when you're mentioning 'pinky' you mean the one from support hand or 'the trigger' one ?
ruclips.net/video/7gI8eXJAXj8/видео.html in this video sequence it doens't look like the shooter is having enough space for the support hand pinky.
The super-serrations look cel shaded in the sunlight
I've debating between this or the Sar 9, both seem pretty good.
Sarsilmaz for the win.
Honestly, save your money and by the Sar9.
The SAR 9 has a shorter barrel doesn't it?
Yes, 4.4".
Hello !: I’am searching for Walther PDP Compact 18 Magazine extension adapter... to protect the gun when using the 18 round magazine. Can’t find them .. thanks!!
I have the same problem with my grip not locking the slide back which I don't like but it's a great gun. During the first 150 rounds when. Chambering a round either from slide release or racking the bullet would nosedive o The ramp .which 2 reviews of the pdp had the same problem .but haven't had that after that
That sounds like a magazine problem. I have so many PPQ mags I can't tell which are new and which are older.
@@GBGuns 2 different RUclips gun channels had the same problem but I love the pdp what ever the problem was it's works good now .
Why blame the gun for bad technic?
Dear Friends: What red dot do you recommend or the new PDP Walther? Not a fun of red dots , but will love to have an opinion, nothing fancy , will be the first time . Just want to give them a try. Like them in my rifles but still have seconds thoughts in my hand guns. Thanks!
That's a tough request. Although we've used a lot of red dots we haven't done a ton on pistols and are still experimenting. I'm a fan of the Sightmark Mini Shot M Spec, but we also just bought a Holosun 507C X2 that looks promising
Thanks a lot!!!!.... I’am still trying to convince myself. Will try a few before making any investment. Will research those two. Keep up with all your honest reviews , highly appreciated.
A 5" compact ? Didn't know they existed. Good option for 10 round max states ?
A little big....but you do you
Will this accept the magazine’s from my PPQ M2 Compact?
I wonder if walther is going to make a q5 sf non comeptive but in a more “conceal friendly” in a longer slide and have a bit more capacity like 18rd
You could put the 17rd mag from the Full Size PDP in the Q5 SF, but then you've got a heavy and large gun.
@@GBGuns true, I like the look of the q4 but the barrel is a little too short for my taste I think it would of been suitable for at least a 4.5, I also like the look of steel better than polymer but that’s just me
I wish I could disassemble all my furniture just by shooting it.
I guess your concern for the loose fit of the slide from part one did not effect accuracy. Would you say that this PDP would perform better than the others with +p+ loads?
I don't see a reason for +p+, especially with a 5" barrel
@@GBGuns I agree with your carry assessment. As in all carry it's up to the individual. Correct me if I am wrong but the compact PDP 5 inch is the appropriate size of a 1911, which a number of people EDC CC.
So GB...is this your favorite version of the PDP?
I think so. A close second would be 4.5 "slide on the compact frame, but since that's not a factory option yet..
@@GBGuns ...yes a little shorter slide on that compact grip would make a little better carry option...i wonder if Walther reads these messages ?..lol
So the reason for a 5 inch is that the bullet will go farther or what? I am not sure what the advantage is between the different sizes. I am new to using handguns. Any tips would be helpful.
What is best for an armed security guard gun? The full size 5 inch or another size?
A longer barrel give you more muzzle energy (bullet traveling faster) and a longer sight radius which makes aiming easier. As a sude effect the heavier slide cycles a little slower which makes recoil control easier. For duty a full size is fine. Long-barrels are more for competition use.
@@GBGuns So then for an actual police officer or armed security guard the longer barrel is not as tactical or good? It's better to have a shorter barrel?
The only drawback to a longer barrel and slide is increased weight and it takes more effort to clear the holster.
@@GBGuns So for an actual gun fight when SHTF is it better to go with walther 5 inch full size or compact?
@@MaharlikaAWA for an actual gunfight training is more important than equipment. The difference between full size and compact is more of a hand fit. Find a place that has both and hold them.
Why do they call the 5" compact? isnt that full size?
The frame is compact.
Would you recommend the Compact 5” PDP over the 4” after finally shooting it? I am looking for a do it all gun for CCW, Range Fun, and Home Defense Pistol.
More barrel is almost always better. Whether or not you want to carry a linger slide is up to you.
Get the 4.5" 3 more rounds and a perfect balance between the 4" and 5".
@@ricks2651 thanks.. was hoping you would say that. I'm about to buy one, and having some difficulty in making the choice. So far, I'm leaning towards the 4.5 full size, since this will replace a Glock 17 as a duty type range gun.
@@moparman1692 perfect choice. I have all 5 versions now and I carry the 4.5 everyday with a Holosun 409T and and Olight BALDR.
Nice video! How much does the gun weigh?
Check the manufacturer's site for specs.
Anyone been able to find any IWB holster options for this gun? I’ve been trying to get a 4” compact for months, but was only able to find one of these and plan on trading it for a 4” if one ever appears. In the meantime I’d still like to be able to carry something so if anyone has any options lmk
The Walther website has a list holster options.
I got my in Vedder Holster , amazing job ... IWB..
PDP full size 4 inc or Glock 45?
Recall 4.5 and 5 in when using a red dot?
Fortunately your original comment made more sense. Between the two you'll notice a smoother recoil rithym with a longer slide, and more energy for knocking over steel (or other targets) if used in competition. Red dots eliminate the sight-radius factor, but do not replace physics.
@@GBGuns I see how that come across sorry about that . Thanks for your reply am just torn between the 4.5 and 5 in
@@ryanmurphy8327 The difference is minor, look at it more like tuning versus a divisive choice.
Good video as always.. dont understand " 5" compact" tho.
Compact refers to the frame and capacity (15+1). There's the full (18+1) with a smaller slide 4''.
I struggled to understand that too.
5" gives a better sight radius and better velocity for stronger hits.
Any one know What better 4.5 or 5
In high school a "spinner" meant something different.
Yeaaaauhrr
Is a 5 inch full size PDP too much for concealed carry?
That's up to you, your holster, clothing style, body shape, and comfort threshold.
@@GBGuns Okay, thank you. I've been renting a full size 4.5 (at least I think it's a 4.5) at my local range and I really enjoy it so I wasn't sure if I wanted to go compact or go full grip and full barrel. Thank you for the quick response. There are 5 variations of the PDP (more on the way I'm sure), and it's the first time I'm doing TONS of research on one firearm just cause there are plenty of configurations.
Have you tried the compact frame? It feels a bit different than the full size frame (I, oddly, personally prefer the compact frame)
@@GBGuns I have not. The gun store has a few variants (only the full is for rent) and tomorrow I'll be trying to grip on each and playing 20 questions. I'm also going to a gun show next week to see about deals and maybe there will be the other variants.
My current Walther EDC is a CCP M2 and though it fits my hand well, it's a bit too snappy for me and I'm not very good with it in terms of accuracy or control. Also the trigger is so-so. Not sure if you had any thoughts on it. If you have a review on it I'll gladly watch.
So when I tried the full size PDP, even though it's a bit big in my hands, I liked the accuracy and control. But I'm not sure if you should use the full size if your hand doesn't fit the grip so well. There's a lot of open space under my hands but it doesn't seem to bother me much.
It defeats the purpose of the lip at the bottom that they advertise as something to help acquire your red dots since my hands don't get near it. I'm sure that's rectified with the compact but again, I'm not sure if compact is really my thing.
My other EDC is Taurus G3 (not the G3c) and even though again, it's a little big, I love how absorbent the gun is with recoil.
And bigger guns are usually easier to shoot. We have full tabletop and range reviews of the CCP M2 in both 380 and 9mm. That gun is great in 380, but a little snappy in 9mm.
I’m just gonna say it; I finally got to hold one in a gun shop, and I was not impressed by the reset. Break was nice for a factory trigger for sure, but reset was longer than I can accept.
What factory gun has a shorter reset?
Longer than you can accept? You have some pretty incredible standards then
@@GBGuns he must be smokin crack...maybe the canik tp9 elite combat...other than that, unless we're including wc, staccato, dw...etc..which are thousands more...
The reset is absolutely perfect... I don’t know how it could get any better.
You can't get an iwb holster
Why not?
@@GBGuns vedder holster makes only 4" models
The get another brand.
Ok... now just when are you testing the 5" Manurhin MR73?
And... Walther when are you coming out with a 5" CCP Improved DS trigger all steel gun??????
What's the advantage... Robert explains its in the fish, man, just that simple!
ruclips.net/video/ZdtHvwV0RV4/видео.html
That arm on the target seems a little too long to me.
How is a 5” a compact?!
Because the frame is a 15-round size
This pistol is an oxymoron… why would you have a long slide and a short grip? Maybe I’m missing something. You’re not going to conceal it… so why have the reduced capacity?
The grip is the hardest part to conceal, the barrel length determines energy and round efficiency. Small grip=easier to conceal. Longer barrel =longer sight radius and more muzzle energy. For some reason people seem to ha e forgotten that most 9mm is designed to perform from a 4" or longer. The shorter you go the less chance you have that fancy HP will perform as advertised.
I believe the 5 inch. Is the Full size . The 4.5 is the Compact version.
I think the grip is a compact size
@Ben Woodcock 5” is the slide length
Walther has 5" full size (18+1) and 5" compact (15+1) models. 4.5" is full size only and the 4" also comes in both full and compact size. Compacts can use PPQ mags, which is nice.
@Ben Woodcock ...what. There's nothing weird about a long slide, compact grip. That's literally what the PPQ Q5 is.
@Ben Woodcock I'm amazed I said something so plainly, and you still didn't get it.
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Bought the PDP 4 inches as soon as I can and love it . Really impressed with how accurate they are even my first day in the range . Can’t imagine how much better will be with the 5 inches. The only 5 inches I shoot is the Springfield Elite 5.25, shoots very impressive. The only Springfield I have since we are all at home Walther fans but have been a dream in the range , competitions and fun gun. Can’t wait to try the PDP 5 inches .
See you CAN just shoot a leg out.
"Compact" 🤨
compact frame, not slide
Correct
Nothing compact about it. A Glock 19 isn't compact either, it's laughable use of the word.
Justin S i think you're missing the history of it all. Pistols began as duty guns. The Browning High Power started things off with doublestacks at 13 rounds. In today's age roughly the same size gun holds 17, shortening the frame to 15 is compact (typically slide too). 4" is generally the shortest you'd want a 9mm barrel unless you're using specialty ammo. Even most modern hollow points still need 4" of barrel to get the necessary speed. That made 4" slide and a 15 round grip the norm for compact. All the smaller guns that have been popular since the late 90s only came about when concealed carry became a thing. Since they're 50 years or so behind the naming convention they're "sub compact" and now "micro compact" which is about the same size as single stack 9s from the early 2000s, but since they have a double stack mag they're compacted.
@@GBGuns I'm not missing the history at all. I'm well aware of all of this and I believe it's silly to call such a gun compact. I don't need a lesson. The terminology is poor.