Toyota GR Yaris Rallye (Circuit Pack) vs GR on track! FINALLY! | MOTOR
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- Toyota GR Yaris vs Toyota GR Yaris Rallye/Circuit Pack. The much overdue Rallye has finally arrived down under! You all asked for it, so we simply HAD to get these two together for the definitive test. Scott Newman and the team headed down to the Bryant Park hillclimb track to pit these twins against one another over the twisty 1.4km course. Do the Rallye's Torsen LSD's and better tyres change the game? Or are red cars faster?
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Intro 0:00
GR track impressions 1:12
Rallye track impressions 3:28
Corner comparisons 4:47
Lap comparison 6:12
Outro 7:22
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So the Rallye is quick! Would you splash the extra cash? Or would you buy something else?
275 Megane, 50kg heavier but comes with a boot & 5 seats, Dieppe engineered and bespoke enough w/deep value at nearly a third of the price?
Love a M2CS.😎
Gr yaris... its special. How many homologation specials out there.
My guess the last. 25k needed lol. No one will bulid one again but I could be wrong.
Please do the test on the same tire. I think this makes 50% of the 3.4 seconds.
I have only the normal GR Yaris and Iam very happy with it. I don't go on track and drive every day with a smile to my work 😉
Yeah I think that's is the case for most people, but if you are tracking it then will be worth the upgrade.
Diff's can be fitted after the fact to cars, if you own it rather than lease!
Safe driving!
These track comparisons are awesome! Makes you wonder why bigger channels aren't doing the same and instead just slap on montages of cars drifting
Hi y'all, Scott here (the presenter). Thanks for the many comments, it's certainly generated some discussion. Many asking why we didn't swap the tyres over between the cars. The first reason is because we were limited on time, the second more important one is I didn't even think of it, because it became clear from the first corner that focusing on the tyres is burying the lede. The Rallye handles completely differently because of its diffs. Yes the time difference would have been much less if we'd swapped tyres (let's say the Rallye goes a second slower and the GR a second quicker for a 1.4sec difference) but the Rallye is just so much more adjustable and enjoyable. It would still be fun but with less grip (maybe that would make it MORE fun!), whereas the GR would still be inherently compromised, albeit faster. But also, feedback noted and if we do a video like this again we'll be sure to swap tyres!
Thanks mate. Love to see a second video showing the pros and cons of both cars. Like a long drive on some Aussie roads and end with some track fun. PS In the end us base GR owners know the Rallye is a better track weapon but for the road a base with better tyres is enough for most of us with our driving skills.😎
Why would you swap the tyres? The tyres are what came with the model. Swapping the tyres is like swapping the suspension, wheels and diffs then testing the same car against itself. The rally/circuit pack has all those different parts so needs to be compared with how it comes out for s true test if the extra money is warranted.
@@tarche2 because tyres is something you can easily buy when you get the cars. The rubber… not the rims
@@nozopoke1782 but the Circuit pack/rally comes with better tyres. You also have 1000s of miles before changing them. For me tests on new cars should be as they come.
Took delivery of my Rallye a few days ago and am so happy with it. Definitely keen for some track days soon
Great video!!!
I guess the Michelin PS 4S play a role too. I have the Circuit version here in Italy and I love it! On a wet track it's just unbeatable!
I have the convenience pack myself and I also have no interest in track racing so to be perfectly honest I could not care less about this. I enjoy driving the car. For me slip differentials and fancy red brake calipers bring nothing. A JBL sound system and the luxuries do. Enjoy !
Interesting the Rallye version in Australia has both the convenience pack and circuit pack in one! So we get best of both worlds!
I though all of them had red calipers
Why did you watch the video if you couldn't care less?
@@adamsaunders9876 why is it so important to you ?
@@adamsaunders9876 to cope with their purchase
Awesome video 👌 can't wait for my circuit pack to arrive.
Next comparison: Yaris Rallye Vs Renault Megane Trophy Vs Honda Civic Type R.
If we can get our hands on a Trophy!
@@motorofficial Yeah, I'm sure you have numerous requests for all sorts comparisons but I understand car availability can be one of your biggest problems. Not to mention timing of new car releases, weather and track availability etc, etc.
@@motorofficial Can lend you a 2015 Megane RS275 Trophy R if that helps.
Can we just take a minute to appreciate how good you've got it. The Fiesta ST in the UK is $10,000(Oz) more in the UK. The new price for the basic GR is $7,000 more. But moreover, the price of a GR is about 1:1 the average salary of a job in the UK. In Oz the Gr is about 50% of the average Oz salary (depending on salary data source). So it's dirt fucking cheap.
Unfortunately the Oz average salary is blown out of proportion due to the increase in Chinse making 100k+ a year, realistically its closer to 60k - 70k a year. The majority of people will be paying the Yaris off over 5 years or more.
So tyres would be the quickest thing to modify. It would be interesting to see the base spec also on Michelin pilot sport 4 s tyres.
Other simple enough mods:
- tune
-exhaust for sound and power.
-light alloy wheels while you are busy changing tyres
-Remove the rear seats and everything out of the boot for weight reduction.
-Last mod to the base spec is aftermarket LSDs :)
That’s sick! 🤩
Great video this, well done. A couple of things though - were both cars running in the same modes when you did the lap comparison? As in, were they both in Sport or Track mode, and with TC on, part-off (Expert), or fully off? Thanks, and can we get an updated GR Yaris Rallye vs Civic Type-R on the open road comparison video now please... :-)
Both cars were in Track mode with ESP fully off
@@motorofficial Excellent, thanks!
Seems like the diffs and tyres really help the Ralleyeye. I’d been keen to see it go against the outgoing Civic Type R.
Civic Type R beats it with a time of 7 minutes and 43.8 seconds around the Nürburgring whilst yaris did 8:14
A big gulf but that's a factory attempt vs Sport Auto doing a hot lap which is hardly a fair comparison.
@@wasdwasdwwasd not a good start though is it you plonker
Not really, the Civic was only a second quicker around Hockenheim than the GR in Sport Auto's comparison so clearly the actual gulf is much less than 30 seconds around the N-ring.
@@dlc85007try the wet
Swap the tyres and repeat.
Agreed. The Dunlop's on the base are shithouse
Yeah, put cup2 r's on the Rallye.
Great to see the comparison on the same day/track. The suspension and tyre seem to control the Rallye front end far better. Tyres are the most important factor, but they won't change the attitude of the car regardless of how close it gets to a Rallye.
The 'base' model at $55k makes the Rallye a no brainer; but the $40k launch price vs $56k comparison is the real calculation.
Basically a question of if you want a mild Yaris, a road/track Yaris or you want a track Yaris. The latter of the three is probably best achieved by getting the cheapest car and suits people who like to modify things. You'll also have change for a year of track days. Standard GRY boys are a bit salty, but shouldn't be. They also shouldn't be kidding themselves that tyres will solve all things.
Yeah Well said mate. PS That's why it's called a track pack overseas or circuit pack. Base GR great road car just get rid of the Tyres. You like to drive fast more often or track your GR then Rallye. Simple.
PS still want to see a fair race on same tryes but will happen sooner or later.
@@Dave-gl6jb Cheers. I think the hardest part about a comparison is that it'll be heavily dependent on the track. The Rallye is about 1.5-2s faster with a pro at the wheel at my closest circuit (109.9 vs 111.4). But, it's far more open than the hillclimb in this video.
One thing that's interesting is everybody being fixated on times. I wonder how many people will really be held back by the limits of the standard GRY even with the Funlop tyres and (safe) understeer. The base GRY (or Fiesta ST if you've seen the Piston Heads comparison) may be a far better proposition for most with a greater residual budget to get out and use it. Then you can upgrade components/car once you've mastered it. Nobody is racing, and I'd argue that hot hatches are a lot about fun/reward. I still like the idea of a GRY with LSDs/suspension, but personally the $60k was too much relative to itself and other options, so I've got to wait out the hype.
PH video - ruclips.net/video/IRVN2QY-Y4w/видео.html
@@Dave-gl6jb It is here already: ruclips.net/video/TxskB4pE2TI/видео.html
It makes you wonder why they bothered with the base gr yaris. It makes no sense to make an inferior product that doesn't cut it. 5k extra for the rallye is an absolute bargain
@Shane absolutely right. Like Scott said, if you snagged a base GR at the special introductory price then well done. But if you walked into a dealer and bought a base GR today, you’re being short changed. Rallye is a steal
I'm fine with base dude plus Rallye only comes in white. Red and black looks better.😎
Good work Scott and everyone, great video, now maybe can we get the base GR Yaris and fit the same tyres as the GR Yaris Rally and see how that work? For people like my self who got lucky taking a punt on the 39k price, I think spending money on diffs and some better tyres will be a nice balance of price V performance 🙂
Is it a modified car in the eyes of an insurance company once you put the aftermarket diffs in?
@@minimumtrade not sure about insurance but it will void warranty if you install it
@@tobylee4736 installing a genuine diff, from Toyota? Nah, I think not.
@@wwcarsales well I asked if I get a normal gr and pay the LSD from Toyota and get them to install it can they do it? They said no, as they don't do the installation, and if you do it outside it will void the warranty. So I just wait for more rallye edition and maybe get it near the end of the year. Not sure if they just try to get a sell but they seem more desperate to sell the normal GR.
You can probably take a second out of that laptime from rubber. But that still leaves 2+ seconds on the table. The Rallye is much better bit of kit.
but at $60k...
I don't think it's special enough. It needs to be 100kgs lighter and a bit more 'specially stripped' like the porsches manage to do to make the car feel 'race'. MAYBE then...
If the GR was still $40k and this one a hair over $50 it makes sense.
I'm looking to buy one,but this is where it gets a bit confusing,it's meant to be a rally car not track car,if I get one I'm not planning to go on track,what I really need to know is weather its quicker on country lanes? and would I notice any difference?. This is where Toyota slipped up,they should had just built 2 models
Basic model with all the extras like heat seats/ wheel / sat nav etc, then the rally pack( not named circuit pack as per uk) lower seating,better exhaust and induction. Would be worth paying the extra if you can hear and feel the difference on normal roads instead of going to the track to see any difference.
Get the Rallye. 100%
Please test against Honda type R on circuit to see who is quickest 😊👍🏻
Depends on the track and the track conditions
Super teste 👍
We bought a standard one. Don't need lsds and hard suspension for our crap roads. Don't mind too much if I'm a minute later to work.
I wanna buy the GR Yaris Rallye, I've heard good things about the car but I'm only gonna use it for the streets and not the track. No point in getting this car in automatic (dont think it comes in auto) so driving it in peak hour traffic everyday is going to be a pain.
I don’t think ive seen one car in the uk without the circuit pack on & anyone who is buying one of these is not bothered at all about a small boot or scratchy plastics
😂 That was a dunlop vs Michelin comparsion
Plus wt lsd and none. Plus bigger brakes. Better suspension.
@@hoomee7605 nope same brakes
@@Silversurfer604 both hv the big braked wt red calipers? Let me check the vid again.
@@hoomee7605 only the color, Rest same
@@hoomee7605 i ordered the GR Yaris circuit and te brakes have the same diameter. But maybe the brake pads are a little stiffer
I’m buyin one just to enjoy. Boot will be for a spare tyre🤘🤘
why didnt they swap the tyres on the cars to see what happens to the track time ?
Because they are reviewing the cars, not the tyres. They review "as is" or "out of the box", because that's how car reviews work.
@@seanlander6936 But it doesn't take a genius to know which one is better 'as is'. We want to see the same car with the only difference being the LSDs.
ruclips.net/video/yARI59VgMaA/видео.html
They have done a really good comparison (hope you do speak spanish or turn on the auto translation) the numbers they drove are very interesting, although they too didn't use matching tires. He (a very experienced spanisch car reviewer) said that tires make half a second difference but he would still recommend the standard Yaris for daily use and only to get the circuit pack if you intend to track it. I have to say, in europe, the track pack is "only" 5k more than the base so for me it was a no brainer, especially with discounts, the track pack is basically for free. But 16k is a lot haha i would definitly get the standard but on the track the circuit pack does make the difference according to the review added above. Looking forward to a review with the same tires!
Yeah look, this is pretty lazy journalism. Stating that "the extra mods on the Rallye are absolutely worth the price" when you haven't run the comparison between the two cars using the same PS4S tyres on both is fundamentally flawed.
Putting a set of PS4S on the GRY would cost around $1,000. This will likely make up 3/4 of the time difference you experienced between both cars as delivered from factory. This means the differentials, wheels, and suspension are responsible for significantly less of the difference, while making up significantly more of the price.
Do the same test with both cars running the same PS4S tyres with everything else being stock, then compared the times and see if the price difference between the GRY And the GR Rallye (minus the cost of tyres) is "absolutely worth the price".
My guess? It isn't.
Maybe not on a bloody circuit either try a rough bitumen mountain road comparison and see how much you actually need the diffs then.
If I could have a Rallye on Dunlops or a standard GR Yaris on the Michelins, I would choose the Rallye/Dunlop combo.
Write the same crap comment over and over again. PS Please someone do a video on both GR same tyres. It's the best mod for well any car. Toyota love the car but put same tyres on both GR for the price of the car.
Ben, be happy with the POV pack, you defending it like's it's your only child.
Everyone just wants a fair test and like then you wouldn't be pissing off what like 1500+ pov spec owners compared to the couple of hundred Rallye owners. Great for the channel hey🤣
I got the rally just for a resale point of view, I doubt ill take it to a track, but I bloody well love every inch of that car.
Watch the Spanish review where they put the S4 tires on the regular Yaris (turn ON English subtitles) ruclips.net/video/TxskB4pE2TI/видео.html
Now swap the Rallye wheels onto the Povertye to see what difference the diffs make
But the POV pack doesn't get the rallye wheels...
I'd be happy with just the same tyres.
Go buy the forged wheels and tyres and tell us your time.
If I could have a Rallye on Dunlops or a standard GR Yaris on the Michelins, I would choose the Rallye/Dunlop combo.
@@motorofficial now you're just dribbling shit. Swap the tyres over and prove the lap time, what's the bet the GR on PS4S is faster than the Rallye on the Dunlops?
Ive already watched that 1. Did you see the 2 short vids i sent doing jumps
The Rallye version is the only one to have - the billy basic spec is missing parts that make the car complete
Billy basic.....lmao
Hi Pursuit. PS Yeah we know mate but people in aus are just starting to put a rear LSD on there Base GR and better Tyres. It will close the gap somewhat.
PS Hi James.😊
@@Dave-gl6jb what's the cost in AUS of putting on both Front AND Rear LSD, better suspension and a new set of rubber - oh and a set of lightweight wheels to go with it?
Something tells me it's more that the price difference of the 2 cars.
James is on the phone to his dealer trying to change his order as we speak 😀🍿🍿🍿
You are a funny man Mr Pursuit.
The LSD rear is easy but front you need to take engine out and gear box. 6.5K to much but maybe oneday. PS Simple Rallye better car but a year wait and 10K more. No I'm happy with my Base for now.
PS Mags well both are ok. Will put better than both
Lightweight
@@Dave-gl6jb the Rallye is good value then 😀 - imagine how poor James is feeling having to wait ages for his con pack car only to realise it's missing lots of bits 👍
Wow, 3.4s is no joke. You could probably fit even stickier trackday tyres like Michelin Cup2 to the base model, and I don't think it would quite make up that gap
Stoll amuses me we can't get heated seats in the UK and can't have parking sensors on the circuit pack. Still got a couple of weeks to wait for mine, will just have to eat more pies to insulate my rear for the winter...
Here in the US I was recently offered a GR Corolla Core with no LSD at MSRP. I almost went for it, but after finding this video during my research of how transformative the LSD is, I told them I'd pass on it and either wait for a Circuit Edition or a Core with an LSD. Sure I won't be one of the cool kids with a GR Corolla for a few more months (maybe longer), but I want to experience this car as the best it can be rather than something that is clearly compromised.
Great review. The only idiots who have given the Toyota GR Yaris bad reviews are Australians. Not all mind you. This is Toyota's fault, as they sent only the uninspiring convenience pack model to debut the car in that region.
RED> anything else
In Italy we can't choose, we only have the circuit pack....for 39.900
wow, i ordered the circuit pack for 35k€
PS: in germany
@@THE8END0fDARKNESS999 We have to pay many politicians.....
37.5 here in Luxembourg in Dec
Green over tan. Nice.👌
So salty you're resorting to personal
Hilarious comments, very entertaining. Comparison is two factory spec cars. Motor, maybe you should use a control tyre for ANY future car comparisons.. 😄
Take it up with Toyota bud
Sounds like the Australians just ordered the wrong car to start with.
We got it super cheap though
Unfortunately we can get 2 cusco lsd's coilovers, exhaust and wheels/tyres for the same cost of the current rrp of non rallye. So us Aussies got it pretty sweet
I think so too. They rushed to snap it all up so fast without realising it wasnt the one to have. Ok it was cheaper but when it comes to cars like this,.. i prefer to get the top unit and not the base.
@@hoomee7605 alot of these in Australia will see the track and we were better off getting the cheap base. Simply makes more sense. If you could you would aswell.
In Italy we only have the circuit pack
This will be a comments section that just keeps giving 🍿🍿🍿🍿
Boys with Toys.😎
You should do a video on tuning the GR Yaris for those who dont have the Rallye.
I've never seen so many ads in such a short video.
Had you used the same tyres on both we'd have a much fairer comparison...
If you change the Dunlops on the base spec, you should change the tyres on the Rallye - its plain and simple the Rallye is a quicker and more complete car
Hi mate. PS You don't have to change the Tyres on Rallye. It has great Tyres. PS You could go Cup 2. PS Love to see that with all 3 sets.😊
@@Dave-gl6jb yes the PS4S are good, but R888R/AR1 or even Cup2 would increase the cars capabilities yet further
But this is "out of the box" and could even argue Cup 2's would add more speed in the dry.
Not sure why pov pack owners are upset that a car with many improvements sis so much faster.
Sure you could put way nicer tyres on your pov pack but you will still have the horrible open diffs and strong understeer balance.
Pov pack is underwhelming.
Then buy a Rallye if you feel like this.
@@Dave-gl6jb no point. Most of the parts would still be thrown away if you want to chase lap times.
But YOU the Australian motoring media, who were all collectively shouting and screaming that the Yaris GR (Convenience Pack) is THE SECOND COMING of a true drivers performance car!!!! Not us....
But is the diminutive all-hard-and plasticky put together competition car, the Rallye (Circuit Pack) Yaris GR, worth up to $80,000 I've seen near new ones going for in carsales...............................No
Everyone knows the Dunlop tyres are garbage so is it a tyre test or something else😆
Bought the POV pack did ya? :)
Gotta get those clicks.
@@mattyoz0 I would value a true mechanical comparison NOT a comparison of tyres.
@@MrFister84 yeah I guess so, leaves room for a proper test and more clicks in the future. Also may start a squabble with pov spec owners lol. Which is great for comments section and more pats on the back from RUclips.....
If I could have a Rallye on Dunlops or a standard GR Yaris on the Michelins, I would choose the Rallye/Dunlop combo.
The Torsen LSDs make a BIG difference in corners during motorsport use. The benefits of LSD are even more obvious in corners for FWD or RWD. Open diffs with better tyres will still spin the inside wheels in tight corners. BUT, on public roads driven within the legal limits, these won't matter much for most people.
Even open diffs and worn out suspension won’t matter if you’re sticking to speed limits public roads.
Should have swapped the wheels over and compare times again.
Agreed, he also should have set the 4 wheel drive to 50/50 for track.
Unless you spend your life on a track, not even close to being worth the extra.
So many salty comments by OG GR owners, thinking tyres is all that matters. The difference is in the Torsten LSD differential between handling/fun and being sloppy in the corners.
I still don’t think the car is worth $60k, even with the Torsten diff.
You speak truth!
No, the majority of the time difference is in the tyres.
@@benjaminlee2493 I don’t think you understand the role of a LSD do you or the value it brings?
@@Spool_TV I don't think you understand the role of tyres, or the value they bring.
@@benjaminlee2493 so you can confidently tell me that a car with the same tyres but one with a locking diff and the other with an open diff will have same or similar track times? 🤣 I get it, your ego is hurt by the video but facts don’t care about feelings bro
Would be better comparing the GR and Rallye with the same tyres. The Dunlop's on the base are absolute rubbish. That being said, the base GR for $40k is an absolute weapon for the $. So much more responsive and fun than a 65k Subaru STi Spec R, and even a Golf R.
I don't think you can blame the tyres for my front sidewalls rapidly disappearing at Winton, you can still have balance with rubbish tyres.
Change the Dunlops for Michelins then change the PS4S for Cup2 / R888R /AR1 then the gap is still there.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot. What’s different between the cars. Spring rates at the front are different, damping rates are different, especially at the rear. Roll rates are different (combination of spring rates and anti-roll bar rates). The conspiracist in me thinks it’s a deliberate ploy to separate the two models. Dial the base down and fit less than optimal tyres.
@@relentlesspursuit6894 you're literally just talking out of your ass lol.
@@woznaldo thats how it feels to me in the driver seat but I am no superstar. There's probably something really good under there but in POV spec it is certainly not.
And all this means nothing in day to day driving.
Exactly its a bit slow for a circuit car imo.....
@@jasoncee666 the base model might be too slow...the Rallye on the other hand looks to be a great track day weapon!
@@rhysrhysrhys im talking about the motor here 😀
If you care so much about day to day driving, what is your interest in the GR? Go buy a hairdresser spec Yaris, much cheaper, way better value for day to day driving.
Dude not everyone races on a Track simple as that.
Same crap. Yes Rallye is better no doubt about it. It costs more and is a track focus car vs more of road car but please put PS4s on base GR and that 3.4 seconds will go down.
How much all of us base GR owners what to know.😡
If I could have a Rallye on Dunlops or a standard GR Yaris on the Michelins, I would choose the Rallye/Dunlop combo.
God what a silly thing to say. Just do a update with a chart showing the difference. PS Buy a Rallye lets change Tyres no charge. Free for you.😂😂
@@Dave-gl6jb what's the point of this test for you? To get excited when you compare spec sheets against other car owners?
No. The point is hypering up the Rallye and showing base as crap. The real GR.
Yes all of us base GR know the Rallye is better but show a lap time on same tryes.
PS Sheet was a fast way to show us. Motor will not do a new video just for this.
@@Dave-gl6jb the base model is underwhelming.
For the difference in new price NOW I don't think many people will look twice at a pov pack. But at 40k it allowed you to build something in the direction that suited your use better than the rallye for similar money.
But that comparison cannot be made as the price is no longer 40k da.
Ps. I own a pov pack.
From UK, I've just come straight to the comments section to see the salty comments from the Australians that have the non Circuit Pack car blaming the tyres lol. As expected, there's plenty to enjoy!
Salty is an understatement - talk about buyers remorse! The billy basic spec owners have half a car 😀
75% Thanks. Lol. PS Lucky we did not get the GR RC from Japan with Auto and 1.5 litre engine. A 3 way.😂😂
Salty? It's some owners of the Rallye that shit me. They think they are superior to the base GR owners. When I bought mine at $40k there was no other option or talk of a circuit pack coming to Australia. That aside after 5 months of ownership I am stoked, and why would I be salty? I got a bargain and I spent over $15k less. I am sure if I spent another $15k on mods I'd have a car far quicker on the track than the standard Rallye. Why it's even made out as a big deal idk. No one is bagging WRX owners for not owning an STI. Let's face it, how many people are going to track the car? Most don't or won't, so why does it matter. And if you are seriously track or targa focused, my bet would be a base, and with the money saved you get to fit your own performance bits to suit the set up you require. I would go as far to say that the GR "base" with, PS4s, mca coilover kit and Rear factory torsion diff ($47k all up) you'd knock those 3.4seconds off no problem.
@@wwcarsales yeah, 15k in mods and your warranty would be gone and at the end of ownership your modded car will be worth less than a standard one.
@@Dave-gl6jb the RC is the Rally Concept, which is the one I wish I could have had. You mean the RS.
😂
I'll take a Fiesta ST over this. Lift off oversteer is too good on the FiST.
Too scary for me and i have the fiesta ST still.
Own a fiesta st and have driven the GR a couple of times. The Yaris is very fast and capable but the fiesta is more fun and playful. For a daily driver the fiesta is hard to beat
@@Andy-2022 Agreed. I have both. GR is different. Very special and you drive it with full conviction to get the best. The ST is a laugh always. I cannot bring myself to sell it.
i don't quite enjoy that. Bought the ST thinking it was FWD. Hate it when the backend is 'loose". But nonetheless,... still a great car.
Imagine taking a ford over toyota
I will tell you the biggest issue with Toyota at the moment.
Toyota just lost how to market price their cars.
We all would love to buy gr Yaris or Rallye but toyota just priced them at a really high price.
😢
Shame if you bought a non rally version. Must be gutted!
Not really mate, although Motor aren’t a fan there are still people (like me) who got a bargain (40k) and are happy owners. I’d love a Rallye (I’m not huge into modifying) but the uncertainty and huge price increase would have meant I couldn’t have got it.
@@23kev well said. I'm in exactly the same boat here, and couldn't agree more.
Quite the opposite - I got the colour I wanted and $16k to spend on modifications. Rallye would have meant I'd have to keep it stock and no true enthusiasts like that.
tyres.............
Just shave your head George Costanza
Salty