Exactly it's so annoying. My birthday is coming up soon and I want The Giant ATX 3 disc but they aren't in stock and when I find another bike I want it's out of stock too
Great vid bro! I'm sure a ton of people will find this really helpful. Bikes can get expensive and knowing how different more affordable bikes stack up against one another takes a lot of research!
everyone says that bro. everyone has different opinions but what we need is complete truth and exposure of groups and decisions that would make tom macdonald the most underrated youtuber, even though i personally disagree with this i also believe that he needs to be shared and talked about. I really dont like to watch people say things like that about their favorite youtubers just to get attention cus lets be honest. no matter who we think is the most underrated has nothing to do with who actually is.
Get to it! I just sold my old Mongoose and upgraded to Marin Wildcat Trail 3 last night, can't wait for it's arrival, it will share the garage with my Road and cruiser.
Kyle, been following you for a hot minute. Your videos have gotten better and better. I like that you focus on bikes many beginners would consider. Your chart and scoring system was epic. I'm sure it'll help a lot of people. Cheers!
I remember buying a good looking bike at Walmart had it for 2 weeks . I hit a few tiny pot holes in the parking lot and bounced a few times lightly And my breaks started falling apart Bolts and shit flew around
Immediately subscribed just for this useful video/ comparison chart alone. I’m using it to show my friend why he should get the Talon 4 based on his limited budget
Got my 2022 Haro Flightline Two 27.5 with Tektro HD-M275 Hydraulic brakes and 2.35" wide Kenda Aptor tires. Also got the frame size that fits me well. Love this bike!!! Great video Sir @cobra kyle!
I actually found my old Kona Caldera I bought new in 09, it's still in really good shape, some people posted it for sale near me for $180.00, I can update it, prolly 120mm maybe 130mm forks and upgrade it to 1x9, I think it has original XT 9speed, so just have to convert it maybe.
@@Mftv12 they took his daughter from school, forced her to ride a $60 huffy on rugged terrain for 3 hours straight then, gave her their top notch Trek fully upgraded (just to report back to him) so he included 1 to alleviate her PTSD...
What do you think of the rockrider st 530 s it has 120 mm up front and in the back hydraulic disc brakes a derailleur with a clutch and 1 times 9 gears for 550 euro’s
We sell quite a few of the Haro Flightlines. The fork really is the undoing for these bikes when ridden by adults. Mild trails they are ok but they don't last even if you Stay Rowdy Within Reason tm. The frame and wheels hold up fine however. Tourney is Tourney.
I do not know much about mtb but i am torn between the $650 Giant talon 2 and$500 Schwinn axum. The talon has better parts but no tapperd neck. The Axum has tapered neck a dropper post but worst parts. What most important here as a beginner mtb rider? A vetus nucleus checks every box but $840
How do u buy a bike in online,I like the Marin bolinis ridge 1 but I don’t want to buy it from dealers I want it on online but I can’t do that.Btw the Marin keeps on upping the price before it was 450 know it’s 600.
Y'all I just need support right now... After having my Framed Twenty6er BMX and putting $700+ into it, I cracked my frame. It's really sad cause that thing was a beast
As far as i can see,you pay mostly in those cases for the name,there are a lot of unknown names for the same price and quality such as CROSS,POLAR,NAKAMURA,etc.All of those for 500 dollars have hidraulic shimano or tektro brakes,8,9 speed cassete,xcm,xct or even if you re lucky XCR ,sometimes at the end of the season even some Suntour air forks.Some have tapered fork frame ,most dont ,but those from the video are under the entry level ,close but still under.
I just have some basic questions. Why does one choose a 27.5" vs a 29" bike? Is that really the wheel size? Is it about the performance of the bike or more about the size of the rider? And what about Thru-Axels? I guess they're better, but can you still remove the wheels easily for maintenance or to fix a flat quickly? What are the advantages and disadvantages?
Hey I recommend the gt aggressor pro I have been using it for 6 months it is a great bike just get a different rear derailleur cause mine tends to break a lot
I actually would try to sway people away from the GT. I have one and it’s not built for anything more than neighborhood streets/sidewalks and occasionally riding through a patch of grass. I’ve had mine about 3 months now and literally everything needs to be replaced. The frame is the only thing good about the bike. Even with that, there are cheaper bikes with better frame design and geometry. Currently mine needs new brakes, bottom bracket, headset, forks, and drivetrain. I’ve already switched out the crankset because the factory 3x chainring bent. I decided to replace it with a shimano 3x chainring/crankset. As of now the bottom bracket creaks and pops, the rear derailleur jumps gears sometimes under load and has snapped a chain, the brakes heat soak super fast on light trails, and the front forks bottom out constantly over bumps no matter the preload setting.
I wouldn't recommend it for mountain biking, but a nice bike for cruising around the street/gravel. Just gotta assess the type of riding you plan on doing, but for mountain biking, I'd at least get something with disc brakes if you can!
Good question Harry. A lot of research (reading articles, reviews, forums, etc...), and testing out bikes in different price ranges. I also engage a lot with other riders to see what components/bikes they like. With components their are different tiers of product (Deore, SLX, XT, then XTR for example), and each tier either offers nicer features, weight reduction, or a combination of all those things. Everyone does want different things, so that's why I say these videos are just a research tool rather than a final decision. I just try to find the best values in a given price range, talk about what makes them good, then let the viewers decide. I appreciate your support!
Thanks Adam! I think these budget bikes will continue to get better down the road. The Giant Talon 2 for $650 has the hydraulic brakes and a pretty impressive spec for not much more money!
Unfortunately I don't get to. I'm working on getting more bikes in my hands so I can do more in depth reviews on certain models. These videos are based on tons of research and personal experience riding bikes for the past 10+ years.
@@markomarincic2743 yep it took me a few months to decide the same thing as you the brakes constantly give me issues the three by upfront is done I've gone through 2 chains overall I'm done with the bike and bought a yt capra core 2 I might fix it up just for normal riding bur probably not worth it
I'd prefer a choice in this price range with a slightly higher spec, slightly larger tires, and a rigid fork to swap for a suspension fork later if one so chose to. Great vid though!
Cobra Kyle thank you so much, I have a $450 Bmx bike I bought in January I want to sell and get into mountain biking. It is not selling fast enough! I’m ready to mountain bike
I would not recommend jumping on these bikes. If you only want to jump and not care about trail riding, then I would suggest shopping for a dirt jumper. Can pick those up pretty cheap. Another option would be to purchase a used bike that is more designed for jumps.
I love haros but it say they out of stock they probably don’t make any more but that bike omg is a beast I’ve owned a lot but I sold all now I can’t get back none
Now you just have to find one in stock...
Exactly it's so annoying. My birthday is coming up soon and I want The Giant ATX 3 disc but they aren't in stock and when I find another bike I want it's out of stock too
Ya no bikes in stock still
If your on amazon the entire time!
@@cameroneshleman4833 Just be happy with the bike you have, unless you already abused it!?
@@minutewithmitch7609 it's already ruined its a cheap dicks sporting goods bike
Great vid bro! I'm sure a ton of people will find this really helpful. Bikes can get expensive and knowing how different more affordable bikes stack up against one another takes a lot of research!
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The chart is an excellent idea Kyle.
Thanks Patrick! I'll be sure to use it in future videos!
This is the most underated youtuber on RUclips 🤙
That's a rad compliment. Truly appreciate that!
@@CobraKyle yeah
everyone says that bro. everyone has different opinions but what we need is complete truth and exposure of groups and decisions that would make tom macdonald the most underrated youtuber, even though i personally disagree with this i also believe that he needs to be shared and talked about. I really dont like to watch people say things like that about their favorite youtubers just to get attention cus lets be honest. no matter who we think is the most underrated has nothing to do with who actually is.
no hate towards this man i do believe he is underrated but im not gonna lie to him. thanks for the info about this stuff btw.
I'm a beginner & bought the Haro FlightLine Two 27.5 in Rosso Red. I don't know much about bikes but I like it
Dude thank you so much for doing the research. In the market for my first bike.
Get to it! I just sold my old Mongoose and upgraded to Marin Wildcat Trail 3 last night, can't wait for it's arrival, it will share the garage with my Road and cruiser.
@@irisswaney3104 how much was it
Kyle, been following you for a hot minute. Your videos have gotten better and better. I like that you focus on bikes many beginners would consider. Your chart and scoring system was epic. I'm sure it'll help a lot of people. Cheers!
Good to see you again! I recognize the Leo picture lol. I appreciate the compliment. Always working to improve the videos!
I remember buying a good looking bike at Walmart had it for 2 weeks . I hit a few tiny pot holes in the parking lot and bounced a few times lightly
And my breaks started falling apart
Bolts and shit flew around
Yeah walmart bikes have very questionable reliability.
Same with marin bolinas ridge 1
Hi
So which mechanical brake are u familiar with ?
I went back to watch all the ads cause Of how much this video helped me
Thanks so much! You're the real MVP!
Just picked up a used Polygon Cascade 2 for $150! What a steal! The bike is basically brand new. not a single scratch on it.
Is it any good? I’m thinking of getting one as a Christmas present
imo the 2021 schwinn axum is a great light trail bike
Outstanding video. Great job on the comparison and the video itself.
Thanks so much!
Hello, will the marin bobcat trail 3 bike be a good choice for a first mtb?
Immediately subscribed just for this useful video/ comparison chart alone. I’m using it to show my friend why he should get the Talon 4 based on his limited budget
What's the weight of the Haro?
The comparison chart was amazing!! You Are Awesome!! Good job!
Thank you so much 😀
Whats the cost of entry to get a thru axle 142mm rear?
Good list! We would still upgrade all of them over time even though they might not be worth it, but that's the fun part🤣. Thanks
Hey wolftick just got a 1x it will be here on the 14th can’t wait
@@colemiller9938 Dude your going to have to send in some pics after you get your upgrades done. That's awesome man!
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS yeah for sure
I do love buying bike parts lol. I just got a new bike in, and before my first ride I was on my computer ordering stuff for it.
@@CobraKyle I know the feeling. 🤣
Thanks
You're most welcome!
Oh hello omar
What’s best for jumps marlin 5 marlin 4 or bolinas ridge 1
Great chart, hope to see you on the trails soon
Thanks dude! Hope to run into you as well!
Just bought the Marin second hand for £140. Never used- just needs a clean.
What do you think about the GT aggressor compared to these? Thanks
Got my 2022 Haro Flightline Two 27.5 with Tektro HD-M275 Hydraulic brakes and 2.35" wide Kenda Aptor tires. Also got the frame size that fits me well. Love this bike!!! Great video Sir @cobra kyle!
comparison chart was awesome! thanks
Awesome thank you!
Thank you! I am so new to this so these details are so helpful
You are so welcome!
I actually found my old Kona Caldera I bought new in 09, it's still in really good shape, some people posted it for sale near me for $180.00, I can update it, prolly 120mm maybe 130mm forks and upgrade it to 1x9, I think it has original XT 9speed, so just have to convert it maybe.
And maybe wider 26 tires if they still make them.
Wow! A Trek made the list? I’m shocked. Yet another well done video. Thanks Kyle!
Thanks Ian! Trek sent their goons after me and forced me to put one in here :)
@@CobraKyle actually??
@@Mftv12 they took his daughter from school, forced her to ride a $60 huffy on rugged terrain for 3 hours straight then, gave her their top notch Trek fully upgraded (just to report back to him) so he included 1 to alleviate her PTSD...
I have the 2022 Marlin 4. Pretty good bike overall for as a beginner. I love the mint color on mine.
Trek makes mindless, mass produced crap.
Trek Marlin 4???! Indeed, it was a surprised to see that brand mentioned in your recommended bike :)
haha I've sold my soul to Trek!
What do you think of the rockrider st 530 s it has 120 mm up front and in the back hydraulic disc brakes a derailleur with a clutch and 1 times 9 gears for 550 euro’s
Only the 2022 Polygon Cascade 2 - 27.5 inch Mountain Bike is under 500.00 now. Most are over 600 atm.
This was a great help! Hopefully getting a Giant Talon 2 for Christmas (if Santa thinks I was a good girl!🎅🏼)...
Which is the best out of the Haro Flightline Two, Giant Talon 4 or Cube Aim.
No schwinn axum? Or the axum dp?
I have a question when I go to order the bike it says what state to deliver it to does it only deliver bike to Untied states
We sell quite a few of the Haro Flightlines. The fork really is the undoing for these bikes when ridden by adults. Mild trails they are ok but they don't last even if you Stay Rowdy Within Reason tm. The frame and wheels hold up fine however. Tourney is Tourney.
Yeah I've spent my fair share of time on these budget forks, and you can outgrow them pretty quick!
hallo guys, i have a question... which bike do u think is better. Scott aspect 910 2021 or Cube attention sl 2021?
I do not know much about mtb but i am torn between the $650 Giant talon 2 and$500 Schwinn axum. The talon has better parts but no tapperd neck. The Axum has tapered neck a dropper post but worst parts. What most important here as a beginner mtb rider? A vetus nucleus checks every box but $840
Nice work man!
Thank you friend!
I was looking for a bike to do cardio. Any recommendations? A bike for the road and uphill riding
Hey, great video, thanks for your info and sugestions, much appreciated 🙏🙏👍
Glad it was helpful!
Eww, tourney... I am loving microshift in this budget category! Riding advent now, it is a little heavier but it works like a charm!
How do u buy a bike in online,I like the Marin bolinis ridge 1 but I don’t want to buy it from dealers I want it on online but I can’t do that.Btw the Marin keeps on upping the price before it was 450 know it’s 600.
Hi what kind of bike do you recommen to beginner?
Y'all I just need support right now... After having my Framed Twenty6er BMX and putting $700+ into it, I cracked my frame. It's really sad cause that thing was a beast
Dude that sucks, my scooter bars bent so now it is broke
As far as i can see,you pay mostly in those cases for the name,there are a lot of unknown names for the same price and quality such as CROSS,POLAR,NAKAMURA,etc.All of those for 500 dollars have hidraulic shimano or tektro brakes,8,9 speed cassete,xcm,xct or even if you re lucky XCR ,sometimes at the end of the season even some Suntour air forks.Some have tapered fork frame ,most dont ,but those from the video are under the entry level ,close but still under.
quick question can i run from the ops on any of theses bikes
for a friend
Sounds like you need legal advice that I can't offer lol
I just have some basic questions. Why does one choose a 27.5" vs a 29" bike? Is that really the wheel size? Is it about the performance of the bike or more about the size of the rider? And what about Thru-Axels? I guess they're better, but can you still remove the wheels easily for maintenance or to fix a flat quickly? What are the advantages and disadvantages?
Great chart! I was thinking of buying the Cube AIM EX, I will use the chart to check if it makes sense to spend the extra $80
Hi Max. Glad the chart is helpful. The Aim EX adds hydraulic disc brakes, slightly nicer fork, and a 2x9 drivetrain. All pretty good upgrades for $80!
Your chart is one big shart! Kidding... love the chart, love video. Well done sir!
I can always count on Ryan for a hilarious play on words! Thanks dude
マウンテンバイクかロードバイクどっちのほうがオススメですか？
Which has stainless spokes?
Really good advice and information. Thank you sir!
Thank you Mark!
Im not into bikes, but can you help me, i want to buy rockrider ST530 can you tell me if it is good or bad
Where do you buy these, online somewhere?
What about the Schwinn Axum?
Hi Cobra Kyle, what's your opinion on the NORTHROCK Xc27
Hey I recommend the gt aggressor pro I have been using it for 6 months it is a great bike just get a different rear derailleur cause mine tends to break a lot
I actually would try to sway people away from the GT. I have one and it’s not built for anything more than neighborhood streets/sidewalks and occasionally riding through a patch of grass. I’ve had mine about 3 months now and literally everything needs to be replaced. The frame is the only thing good about the bike. Even with that, there are cheaper bikes with better frame design and geometry. Currently mine needs new brakes, bottom bracket, headset, forks, and drivetrain. I’ve already switched out the crankset because the factory 3x chainring bent. I decided to replace it with a shimano 3x chainring/crankset. As of now the bottom bracket creaks and pops, the rear derailleur jumps gears sometimes under load and has snapped a chain, the brakes heat soak super fast on light trails, and the front forks bottom out constantly over bumps no matter the preload setting.
great video, very helpful
Northrock makes excellent budget bikes with name brand parts under 500 dollars
Yes comparison chart is 🔥
The marin one looks cool
Only looks but its not
do u think the normal Giant Atx V brakes version is good?
I wouldn't recommend it for mountain biking, but a nice bike for cruising around the street/gravel. Just gotta assess the type of riding you plan on doing, but for mountain biking, I'd at least get something with disc brakes if you can!
@@CobraKyle Other than the brakes, why is it bad for mountain biking?
How do you decide what is good if you don't ride them. And everyone wants different things ? I love your videos. Thank you.
Good question Harry. A lot of research (reading articles, reviews, forums, etc...), and testing out bikes in different price ranges. I also engage a lot with other riders to see what components/bikes they like. With components their are different tiers of product (Deore, SLX, XT, then XTR for example), and each tier either offers nicer features, weight reduction, or a combination of all those things. Everyone does want different things, so that's why I say these videos are just a research tool rather than a final decision. I just try to find the best values in a given price range, talk about what makes them good, then let the viewers decide. I appreciate your support!
Extremely helpful ty
Does any of these bikes have a tapered head tube?
...how about watch the video...?...what a novel idea...
Great presentation, Thank you. It was very helpful
You're very welcome!
I want the Giant ATX 3 disc but they are out of stock and have been for months
Looking for an entry bike for my daughter. Chart is super helpful. Thanks.
Awesome! Glad it was helpful!
Great comparison chart 👍 wish some of these cheaper bikes had hydraulic brakes, yay Trek lol!!!
Thanks Adam! I think these budget bikes will continue to get better down the road. The Giant Talon 2 for $650 has the hydraulic brakes and a pretty impressive spec for not much more money!
Suggestion: Nishiki Colorado comp 27 mens bike
Great vid vro please make one under 350$
Quick question, did you personally test each bike?
Unfortunately I don't get to. I'm working on getting more bikes in my hands so I can do more in depth reviews on certain models. These videos are based on tons of research and personal experience riding bikes for the past 10+ years.
Has anyone bought a cube aim and could you tell me if it was worth it and is it good?
what website?
Nice job. Thanks. I did like the chart.
Well thanks Harry! I'm glad you like the chart!
Would the marin rock spring 1 (2021) be a option for intermediate trails or overall trail riding
Bruh i have it and its pain in the ass, overall low quality
@@markomarincic2743 yep it took me a few months to decide the same thing as you the brakes constantly give me issues the three by upfront is done I've gone through 2 chains overall I'm done with the bike and bought a yt capra core 2 I might fix it up just for normal riding bur probably not worth it
Great breakdown.
Thanks so much!
Great video thank you!
Glad it helped!
I'd prefer a choice in this price range with a slightly higher spec, slightly larger tires, and a rigid fork to swap for a suspension fork later if one so chose to. Great vid though!
Cobra Kyle thank you so much, I have a $450 Bmx bike I bought in January I want to sell and get into mountain biking. It is not selling fast enough! I’m ready to mountain bike
Why no rockrider ?
Oh my goodness.... he said the T-word
I'm still washing my mouth out with soap!
thank you Cobra Kyle for the kool info!
Any time!
So really only two or three under $500?
Loved sum table!
Appreciate that!
Good review
Appreciate it!
Did the giant got more expensive? 520usd should be around 150k ft not 173k ft. ;(
Why am I watching this, I have 10,000$ worth of bikes. Btw great vid and editing style.
lol who knows! I'm the same way haha. Just love hearing about all kinds of bikes. Appreciate the compliment!
@@CobraKyle yeah, I need watch more stuff like this to be grateful that I’m not still riding a beginner bike.
anybody fone a mernuo new fashion 21 speed bicycle review?
So professional teaching😍
Thanks so much!
What about jumping?
I would not recommend jumping on these bikes. If you only want to jump and not care about trail riding, then I would suggest shopping for a dirt jumper. Can pick those up pretty cheap. Another option would be to purchase a used bike that is more designed for jumps.
@@CobraKyle thanks! Do you ok have a video about any dirt jumpers? It’s easier to find good values on hard tails
I love haros but it say they out of stock they probably don’t make any more but that bike omg is a beast I’ve owned a lot but I sold all now I can’t get back none
Hyland?
Just saying the schin axum dp has a droper post and a tapered headtube for 500 dollars
The Axum is pretty cool. I can't remember why I didn't include it here, but an impressive value from WalMart!
W video!
530 euros, around 560 dollars for Trek Marlin 4 in Montenegro. If it was 100 bucks cheaper I would buy it just for that colour.
Buy second hand ,you can get a ten year old perfect looked after for 500 bucks ,probably 1500 new,Marin Trek Specialized Giant Scott
Good job
Thank you!