Yes but he kind of forgot to talk about non-Apple Computer like if there was only MacBook or because he likes them even after all these mistake Apple made.
Its not, tech channels do that everytime. Especially ones dedicated to apple. Basically a product is coming in the future to kill the current one, so theh don't recommend the current one.
*Awkwardly watching on my 2016 15" touhbar* It has given me some keyboard issues but none that have made me want to get something different. M1X/M2 16" might change my mind on that soon though.
I’ve never had a single issue with my keyboard, but I was aware of the problem and I’ve been very careful (which I generally am). The only thing that is really annoying me is the overheating or just getting pretty hot. I am using mostly just lightroom and photoshop, but they’ve been getting quite demanding on the processor. The other thing I’d like to replace is the battery, battery life is mostly still fine, but sometimes the battery drains rather fast and I don’t really go out without a charger anymore. Knowing that would be possible with the efficiency of the M1 chips a new laptop is rather tempting !
@@Lukas_Kramer The 2016 Macbook Pro 15in was known for having bad battery life since launch. I purchased one about a year ago with a new battery and 7 battery cycles (I checked), and my battery was still bad. Looking it up on Apple's forums, people experienced the same problem when it launched. I have not run into issues with the keyboard, and I love it for what I've been able to do, but I am definitely waiting to see the M1X refresh and possibly "downgrade" to the 14"
I sold my 2016 13" just after it went out of warranty and even got 2/5 of my money out of it. The keyboard failed 3 times on me and the display started to delaminate. Now I have a M1 Air and it couldn't be happier.
@@JK-uc8cw idk if this is useful since ive had it for just a week. but until now i haven’t noticed any issues. no overheating even tho i used it for hours and there no “windy sounds” coming out of the laptop. im not an expert but it look really good so far
It's a shame, and i would say a compay like Apple "choosing" not to work with NVidia only because of if not affect all models,,, just a few, but enough of a % to cause Apple to change is "not nice" That's what we get when we buy from a company and they make the rules... If it was a PC, this wouldn't be a problem..,. You can use whatever graphics card you liked.
I’ve the 2017 MacBook Pro. It’s a shame that Apple sold us this flawed keyboard MacBook. The keyboard has been replaced once but it’s still the flawed keyboard. I hope Apple would own up their mistake and allowed us to upgrade with substantial discount for faulty/unreparable laptop. Felt like the victim bullied by big tech company
Watching this on my mid-2015 15" Macbook Pro. Everything works, never repaired (but changed the battery last year), not a scratch, perfect screen ... don't need higher performance. I hope it runs for 10 more years :)
@@florind1587 Yup, my rule #1: My computer must run every day, all the day. I use it a lot. Who cares about fancy spec's and talk,- if you spend time in the repair shop. I bought it in 2017 as new. My 2012 model died in a 6 feet drop. I phoned my tech friends: "What about the new models?". "Don't buy, new models are a nightmare. Find a shop with a 2015 model in stock." I did, best computer I ever had. (I have many, but it's my faithful workhorse)
4:35 Luke, I’m “young” enough to remember the “floppy disk transition”! I had to buy an external third-party floppy disk drive because of that. Worth mentioning also that at the same time Apple introduced USB ports (instead of SCSI)! It was a revolution in 1999! • By the way nearly a decade later I’m still using my late 2013 retina 13” MacBook, watching your YT channel on it and editing 4K videos without problem. Probably one of the best MacBooks ever made. Would buy it again.
They also introduced color and style. Most computers, even Apple's own had any other color besides beige. Hmmm, maybe Silicon Graphics Workstation? Job's own NeXT? Anyhow, that iMac was a revolution and a half.
"I seriously think that Apple would do very well if they made a 15 inch Macbook Air like literally M1 same design same everything ... but just larger, people would absolutely buy that", this aged really well, Apple literally just gave us a 15 inch m2 mba
me too, while watching this video I was thinking to myself "Boy, am I lucky I got me a MB 2015 back then." Still working just fine. But I'd like to have the new MB because I do not want to risk to wait until the lust minute of my MB's life.
@@velxcity07 I did install an SSD but still has the stock thermal paste and 4 GB RAM 🙂. It's kinda a headache but buying M1 rn is kinda idiotic as I believe M1X is right around the corner. And I bet the thermal paste must have evaporated by now lol
@@kyledavis23 bro mine too reaches 80-85°C while watching YT at 1080P@60 😭. First I thought it was a glitch in Chrome but Safari was lagging and heating. So its my Mac after all
@@tylerFC1 well technically it’s my personal computer that I use about twice a week. So not really my “daily”. But it be feels wrong calling it a “PC” when it’s Mac.
Yeah my 2016 15” Pro is solid, had a top case change FOC after 2 years so my battery and keyboard is in great shape, still runs like new and the screen is awesome! I don’t want to leave my touchbar so these new rumoured 16” M1/2’s don’t have my exited but I do need something that’s less dependent on the fans at higher loads
@@XxmatixX6videosdiariosdenadav why what? I’ve owned it nearly 5 years and thanks for the first couple of performance updates it runs better than when I first got it. For me the butterfly keyboard is perfection, I prefer a shallow key travel that I barely have to tap to work and I even like the obnoxiously loud thunks. I’ve played with the new style scissors and they just feel mushy but it’s just something I’ll have to adapt to when I decide on if I want the Apple Silicone 16” ones. The touchbar for me has worked perfectly 99.9% of the time with maybe 2 hiccups in my years of ownership but the adaptability of the function row for when I’m recording or editing without having to know every shortcut is great, moreover the proof of touch based digital inputs had been proven to be better than set in keys years back with the original iPhone, the more we can go towards fully adjustable display style keyboards, the better we can improve the user experience for everything, the only real downside would be repair costs but given that screens are reliable and non of the current system can be repaired as is then it wouldn’t be the end of the world
I just bought one for $500 with a missing SSD so I installed Big Sur on a external drive, man besides only being to run in safe mode, the machine is pretty clean and smooth like you I love the keyboard too, i type super fast with it the graphics are nice too….I’m only gonna be using for music production so all the other issues like ports and everything is irrelevant to me, I have desktop hackintosh with a i5 so I know this 16gb/i7 about to 10x better
I have a 15 inch MacBook Pro from 2017, and it has been a good performer for the most part. I like the keyboard, although its better on my new MacBook Air M1. It has been quite a workhorse, but the M1's are really great!
Luke, thanks a lot for this video. I recently had my full 2016 MBP Top Case replaced due to a keyboard issue. This lasted about 3 months before another key became stuck (worse than the original issues). Last week I was planning on taking it back in to the Apple Store and getting it fixed again, as the new parts came with a new warranty I knew I wouldn't have an issue getting it replaced again, it was just going be inconvenient. After seeing that you had your unit totally replaced with the 2019 model, I politely requested a similar resolution to my issue, and I am picking up my brand new replacement 16" MBP tomorrow, free of charge. It does appear that Apple are willing to do the right thing here, at least in my case. Thanks again. Great content as always.
I still push 2015 top spec'd MB Pros when someone needs a used machine. For the ports, easy to work on, keyboard, and reliability over the newer models. Apple did great for a few years allowing the thermal paste to be replaced without removing the logic board, until the 2016 model, where it requires a board removal. 2015 also has the SSD separate and not soldered onto the board like 2016 and up.
Weird, I have been using my 15" from 2016 since I bought it as my daily driver I never had problems with the keyboard. And as a daily driver I mean I'm using it for work 40 hours a week.
You’ve been fortunate! If it lasts without issues, count yourself blessed. This is not a MBP I’d buy for all the tea in China. If something goes wrong, I’ve an expensive paperweight.
I honestly think the problem with the MacBook Pro 16-19 was the heat. The keyboards were being damaged because Apple didn’t have a good cooling system in place. I’ve had mine for like 3 years, and no problems yet. I’ve been very careful to keep it clean and I don’t use it as a main editing machine for long periods of time. And the fan hardly comes on.
I love my M1 Air, doin game and software development on it and it has been holding up great! Only thing I'd like to upgrade is RAM, but I am still managing to do fine with 8 GB.
We are used to the eco-system, everything just working together, SMB networking etc... but the exception is always "upgrades". Why is that ?? Its almost like we can't get used to it... We goit used to everything else limited about Apple, but its probably because it was less upgradable before than it is now... I would still say, your in the eco-system... We know Apple better.
May I nominate my Mid-2015, 15.4" MBP? - Apple already replaced the delaminated screen but declined to do anything about the inflatable battery. The fans blow alarmingly often. The left speaker also became unusable so I had to disable it. I replaced the battery myself but the speaker was beyond my skill set. I'll keep it as long as I can and replace it with an iPad.
I've got a 2017 12-inch Macbook and it's been great for me since I bought it new! It still runs well for me and none of the problems listed in this video have demonstrated themselves. It gets a little warm if you use it on your lap, but on a desk, or on a vertical stand like I have it on, even makes that a non-issue.
6:27 I hadn’t used my 2018 MacBook Pro in almost 2 months and now that I’ve started to use it again, the space bar is behaving the same way it always does before it gets stuck. Plus the “I” key is also repeating which is lovely considering this keyboard is only 4 months old and it’s just been sitting there most of the time with the lid closed since I haven’t needed it during the summer. I’d be scared to have a 2016 model with expired warranty because my computer has the “improved” version.
Solid points. The only Mac's i'm buying right now are Apple Silicon (new) or mid 2015 and prior. Anything in between that's not fully depreciated doesn't make a ton on sense from a value perspective.
I'm still sour about losing the super drive. I replaced my TV and DVD player with my computer years ago and after upgrading last year have had to resort to home brewing my device so I can rip all my dvds because It's really difficult to balance a Mac AND an external dvd drive on your lap while having a late night movie marathon🤣
My fully loaded 2016 MacBook Pro has a 2017 keyboard, with the option key logos. Apple installed it during the replacement program. Had to have the battery replaced too. No problems last 2 years, far more reliable now than when it was new. Crashed all the time for first 2 years. Paid $4300 new, won't be replacing anytime soon.
iMac also tossed out the Serial port, Parallel port, and SCSI port. People lost their minds when that happened… and then they all just bought USB printers and scanners and stopped complaining instantly.
I agree that you can’t complain about innovation, but in this case, USB A is so widely used, that it makes sense to still include the port… the Mac mini is an example of where they went backwards and readded things that were removed
I used to own this MacBook Pro and was happy with it for 3.5 years, except for the keyboard which sucked from the beginning. And then the nightmare started... one day I got back to the MBP after a meal and the screen was black, and nothing helped resolving it. Then I found out about flexgate and how Apple forces customers to buy new screen for $700 or so. I still wanted to get it repaired, but at the repair shop they told me the laptop had swollen battery. It was getting all too expensive so I decided to sell the laptop for parts. When I wanted to do a clean install on it, I found out the SSD was damaged too and nothing was possible to copy or install on it. To my amusement, a second hand shop still bought it from me for more than $450! I bough an old Unibody MBP for half of the money and so far I'm happy with it.
I just bought a 2019 MBP 16” from the refurbished store. I got tired of waiting for the M1X version and I honestly won’t need all that power while I’m in college. All I care about is the large screen, amazing speakers, and the (still) very good performance. Plus I dig the touch bar. I’ll treat myself to the M2X or M3X version when I graduate and make fun of all the M1X owners lol
Another device that could be in this list is the Air 2020 (not M1, the Intel version). My school bought them for us students and several had problems where there has been a USB-C failure.
I still have the A1534 "Macbook 12" Retina 2015". Works smoothly and haven't faced any issues yet. Including the thermal troubles that you have said. My usb C works seamlessly and the keys are working fine, butterfly keys working fine. And i still vouch for the butterfly keys. I simply love em!!!
I have 2016 15” MBP, the first failure i get is Battery Expanding (i repleace it by my self), then the keyboard broken (double type word N sometimes B, maybe because i drop it, now i get to used it), then spacebar, right arrow, top arrow broken, then the final boss of broken is the display (flexgate, and again i fixed it myself). Now still happy with this Macbook, maybe i will use it until it become unusable.
I don’t know how but you still make the older generation macs more interesting than some channels that only talk about new models and updates. Also thanks to you I snacked a 2015 MacBook Pro and and 2010 iMac for less than a new Mac mini and brought it up to todays standards and couldn’t be happier 👌
I'm one of those people watching on a 2016 15" MBP 2.9Ghz 16Gb ram. I hate the keyboard at times because a few keys stick, but so far it's been good to me. It also looks like new because I take care of it and have had a case on it since it was new to me. I bought it used and saved a grand in 2017.
I got superrrrr lucky and avoided the 2016 & 2017 crsed pros and found a 15 inch 2018 macbook pro w 512gb ssd and 16gbs of ram for $800 !!! i got a fire deal...it was a gem
Getting the SD card back is like when someone you love break up with you and then later then wanna show up in your life again as nothing has ever happened… it’s like Beyoncé’s song Irreplaceable
My wife still uses a 2016 Rose Gold 12” MacBook. It’s honestly the most beautiful MacBook I’ve ever seen and it works like a charm to this day. I would definitely upgrade from my 2016 MacBook Pro if Apple redesigns their M2 MacBook Air to look more like the 12” specially since they’ve already removed the fan.
Mine is the worst I didn’t expect that 😭 the worst part is its so expensive and i actually begged for 2015 second hand cause its way cheaper And then my dad decide to suprise me with it 2,8k macbook
I can’t logically justify a 2016/2017 15 inch mbp. As the performance is poor and reliability is bad. For 2018-2019 mbp, I think those are good, (have some issues you might experience.) but have similar preformance to m1, but becoming cheaper.
Back in 2016, when the touch bar was a new and big thing, and my brother was looking to get a new MacBook, he was gonna get the 2016 15 inch MacBook Pro, but I strongly advised him against it. Told him it doesn't have SD reader, less ports, barely performs better, and the touch bar isn't as useful. After some talking, I managed to convince him to get the 2015 model. Of course at the time we didn't know about the problem with the butterfly keys, so that was a massive bullet that he dodged by getting the 2015 model. He's still using it to this day, still going strong.
My 2017 13 inch MBP start suffering from stuck keys. I had the top half replaced under warranty but after 2 months or so same problems and its out of warranty now.I found all that is needed is to tap the culprit key a few times (maybe 10 or 20 times) and it fixes it. Its likely food or some crap inside the key.
Honestly, I absolutely adored the butterfly keyboard and never had any problems with it, over about 5 years of having that Mac. I never gave it special treatment and frequently ate whilst typing and stuff
so do I, but i kinda got used to the new designs as well.. Personally, i dunno what all the fuss is about.... It's not like the house shook when typing
I got a 2016 15" MacBook Pro for $900 AUD back in July 2018, which was a steal back then as they sold for a lot more than that back then (and still command that much for a worn out one today, let alone a nice one). Mine has not shown any of the issues, it's still on it's original 2016 keyboard, it doesn't have any delamination issues, although the screen backlight is uneven in some spots, but otherwise looks normal and is hard to really notice anyway. It's been a really solid machine for me and I'll no doubt keep it for a little while longer as I like the ability to run VMware Fusion and Windows on it which Apple Silicon can't do yet. My guess for the reason it's lasted as long as it has without any issues is because the original owner always had it on a desk with the lid closed and used with an external monitor, keyboard & mouse since they took it out of the box as they replaced an old Mac mini with it, so it was like brand new when I got it. In my ownership since 2018 it has never been a primary machine, it's mostly been a secondary or travel machine. I'm really surprised I've never experienced a keyboard failure as I live in a very dusty environment that's impossible to keep clean. I guess I'm lucky in that regard but it's never given me trouble. Would I recommend one though? Hell no. Maybe before the M1 I would have if the price was way below market value like mine was, but now that the M1 exists you may as well just get a 2015 15" or if you really need Intel over an M1 for running Windows then a 2019 16" over any of the butterfly keyboard ones.
While I recently bought a M1 MacBook Pro, my 2011 MacBook Pro is still working just fine, which shows how great a machine that was, especially given the ports it has, how quiet it was for an intel machine.
Broooo rippppp I actually got my Late 2016 15 inch MacBook Pro right when it came out and I feel like it’s a ticking time bomb. The cycle count is low on the battery and overall I would say it runs like new. However, I did get a stuck “b” key but was able to fix it with some compressed air. For anyone wanting to preserve their Late 2016 MacBook Pros, make sure to NEVER eat over it and ALWAYS wipe down the key caps when you begin to notice oils from your fingertips on it to prevent ScreenGate. I also installed Macs Fan Control on mine so the Mac won’t kill itself when it begins to throttle when editing 4K movies. Hopefully this helps y’all out 🤞🏽🤞🏽
I have a 2016 13’ MBP and i only had minor issues with dirt under the keyboard, but spamming the key fixes it. Apart from that i never had any issues with it
Not only great content, but great video quality as well! I still miss the 2014 Mac mini I scored off eBay as a work from machine before I could save up for one of the new M1 minis. That 2014 was a trooper.
I think some people aren’t super happy about more ports because USB C is more versatile. It’s all about use cases. I for one have no use for the SD card. The other reason is that thunderbolt 3/4 versatility means that if someone needs to use 10 Gigabit internet or the next generation memory card reader, they only need to pick up a new dongle/adaptor. Not a new laptop. Like how to some DP is better HDMI. with thunderbolt you can use what you want. If they can keep the 4 thunderbolt ports and add more ports, then I’ve no qualms about it. If I have to lose out on versatility for ports I have no use for though, I’d personally not be happy. So we all have our use cases and trades that we’re able to make. Apple is able to serve everybody with versatility vs the latest tech ports that might be outdated in 4-5 years.
I am one of the owners and I kinda agree. Not because the experience was so terrible - I liked getting a free battery every time my keyboard broke, but now that it is out of the keyboard replacement program, it is a ticking time bomb: I am not going to pay for a new top case once the keyboard breaks again.
Same! I wish Apple would gave us substantial discount for upgrade. Since the MacBook was sold with flawed keyboard from the start and the replacement program did not fix a thing. Mine 2017 been replaced once already
I loved mine! I used a keyboard condom because they are super temperamental but other than that it was great as a daily driver and is still going strong as a hand me down to a family member. That said, I completely agree at second hand prices you'd get much better value on a refurb M1.
A RUclipsr actually recommending someone to not buy something seems rare
It would never be the current version of anything.
Yes but he kind of forgot to talk about non-Apple Computer like if there was only MacBook or because he likes them even after all these mistake Apple made.
@David Croteau he only talks about macbooks because the video title IS macbooks
Have you watched lock picking lawyer
Its not, tech channels do that everytime. Especially ones dedicated to apple. Basically a product is coming in the future to kill the current one, so theh don't recommend the current one.
*Awkwardly watching on my 2016 15" touhbar*
It has given me some keyboard issues but none that have made me want to get something different. M1X/M2 16" might change my mind on that soon though.
Wait, your macbook has a touhbar? I can't find mine...
@@zen608 ok
I’ve never had a single issue with my keyboard, but I was aware of the problem and I’ve been very careful (which I generally am). The only thing that is really annoying me is the overheating or just getting pretty hot. I am using mostly just lightroom and photoshop, but they’ve been getting quite demanding on the processor. The other thing I’d like to replace is the battery, battery life is mostly still fine, but sometimes the battery drains rather fast and I don’t really go out without a charger anymore. Knowing that would be possible with the efficiency of the M1 chips a new laptop is rather tempting !
+1
@@Lukas_Kramer The 2016 Macbook Pro 15in was known for having bad battery life since launch. I purchased one about a year ago with a new battery and 7 battery cycles (I checked), and my battery was still bad. Looking it up on Apple's forums, people experienced the same problem when it launched. I have not run into issues with the keyboard, and I love it for what I've been able to do, but I am definitely waiting to see the M1X refresh and possibly "downgrade" to the 14"
I like Luke, he stays original in a sea of tech videos/channels
with forced inserted ads, I skip them lmao
I sold my 2016 13" just after it went out of warranty and even got 2/5 of my money out of it. The keyboard failed 3 times on me and the display started to delaminate. Now I have a M1 Air and it couldn't be happier.
@@JK-uc8cw idk if this is useful since ive had it for just a week. but until now i haven’t noticed any issues. no overheating even tho i used it for hours and there no “windy sounds” coming out of the laptop. im not an expert but it look really good so far
Ah, the a1534. Worst repair that I’ve ever had to deal with.
I went in thinking, “It’s got to be the 2011 or 2016 15 inch”. And one of those it was.
I owned both and the 2011 wasn't even quarter as bad as the 2016. I gave the 2011 to my dad and he actually still uses it as his daily driver.
When he said family i swore that dom torreto would appear
Nahhh , he was with his family
@@n.f.m-noobfilmmaker-4512 Luke is family. Always.
And I remember always asking my mom for a 12 inch MacBook…. I’m now glad I didn’t get it. Now I have a m1 air and I can’t be happier.
No. I am not buying a laptop without ports
@@the_mariocrafter ok?
@@the_mariocrafterDidn’t expect you here
The crippling graphics card failures on the early MacBooks is the reason Apple still won't work with Nvidia anymore.
I thought AMD had gpu issues on macbooks too
It's a shame, and i would say a compay like Apple "choosing" not to work with NVidia only because of if not affect all models,,, just a few, but enough of a % to cause Apple to change is "not nice"
That's what we get when we buy from a company and they make the rules... If it was a PC, this wouldn't be a problem..,. You can use whatever graphics card you liked.
Anyone notice at 10:11 the battery level is at like 80% on the Intel MacBook, and when he is done with the test it is at like 50% 10:16
different time bruh
Its even different day bro
I’ve the 2017 MacBook Pro. It’s a shame that Apple sold us this flawed keyboard MacBook. The keyboard has been replaced once but it’s still the flawed keyboard. I hope Apple would own up their mistake and allowed us to upgrade with substantial discount for faulty/unreparable laptop. Felt like the victim bullied by big tech company
I actually liked them
@@Tech-geekywell they had a free replacement program for the keyboards when the macbook 2017 was supported soo
Watching this on my mid-2015 15" Macbook Pro.
Everything works, never repaired (but changed the battery last year), not a scratch, perfect screen ... don't need higher performance. I hope it runs for 10 more years :)
Same here! Got it “like new”, no scratches, perfect display, battery still Ok. The 2015 MBP is a killer!
@@florind1587 Yup, my rule #1: My computer must run every day, all the day. I use it a lot. Who cares about fancy spec's and talk,- if you spend time in the repair shop. I bought it in 2017 as new. My 2012 model died in a 6 feet drop.
I phoned my tech friends:
"What about the new models?".
"Don't buy, new models are a nightmare. Find a shop with a 2015 model in stock."
I did, best computer I ever had. (I have many, but it's my faithful workhorse)
The performance of the later models are faster, but not fast enough.
Also bought a 2015 MBP and it runs perfect :)
Got one brand new with the 16gb I7 and dual graphics, almost time to. Change it tho changed battery after 3years, time to get the 2019 model
4:35 Luke, I’m “young” enough to remember the “floppy disk transition”! I had to buy an external third-party floppy disk drive because of that. Worth mentioning also that at the same time Apple introduced USB ports (instead of SCSI)! It was a revolution in 1999! • By the way nearly a decade later I’m still using my late 2013 retina 13” MacBook, watching your YT channel on it and editing 4K videos without problem. Probably one of the best MacBooks ever made. Would buy it again.
If speed is not a problem then yes, good for you you have no problem with that mac.
They also introduced color and style. Most computers, even Apple's own had any other color besides beige. Hmmm, maybe Silicon Graphics Workstation? Job's own NeXT? Anyhow, that iMac was a revolution and a half.
"I seriously think that Apple would do very well if they made a 15 inch Macbook Air like literally M1 same design same everything ... but just larger, people would absolutely buy that", this aged really well, Apple literally just gave us a 15 inch m2 mba
“This is the Late 2016-“
Me: KNEW IT!!!
Damnit I’m trying to sell mine
@@emmettroberts1064 They still sell like crazy. I sold my base model 13” 2017 Pro for 700.
Your wallpaper is cool
So happy that I got the 2015 version of my 13” macbook pro. It has all the ports and a good keyboard
same, still a great laptop!
me too, while watching this video I was thinking to myself "Boy, am I lucky I got me a MB 2015 back then." Still working just fine. But I'd like to have the new MB because I do not want to risk to wait until the lust minute of my MB's life.
Rocking a 2010 MacBook Pro which has kernel panics 10 times daily right now and waiting for second generation Apple Silicon chip MacBook ☺️
Bro same I’m rocking 2012 Dual core i5 Mac mini with stock HDD and thermal paste 😬
I... have a late 2011 MacBook Air (dual-core i5, 1.7Ghz) that will hit 75-80 Celsius when watching RUclips at 720p60... I think I need an upgrade.
@@kyledavis23 Easy: get MacsFanControl.
@@velxcity07 I did install an SSD but still has the stock thermal paste and 4 GB RAM 🙂. It's kinda a headache but buying M1 rn is kinda idiotic as I believe M1X is right around the corner. And I bet the thermal paste must have evaporated by now lol
@@kyledavis23 bro mine too reaches 80-85°C while watching YT at 1080P@60 😭. First I thought it was a glitch in Chrome but Safari was lagging and heating. So its my Mac after all
the touch bar on macbook is literally one of my fav thing why do people hate it
i know right! i think it’s pretty awesome
I wonder the same thing
Because they’re over privileged brats
its so annoying
@@nejijack 😟 no?
My daily is still a 2012 15” MB retina. I guess I got one of the good ones. It must had been made on a Tuesday or Wednesday. 😄
“Daily” mf’s acting like computers are cars 😂
@@tylerFC1 well technically it’s my personal computer that I use about twice a week. So not really my “daily”. But it be feels wrong calling it a “PC” when it’s Mac.
@@adamr4198 I was just messing around just sounds funny to me being a car person. Surface pro x for shows and M1 pro for school. So I get it haha.
@@tylerFC1 no worries. RCR is one of my favorite channels.
@@adamr4198 I just started school for IT so I’m just now learning about what makes computers work. Still have tons to learn! Haha
I can’t believe you left out the 2010 with it’s bad capacitor.
But yes, the 2015 15” is probably the best option used.
Mid 2015 market still thriving 😎
As we should be
Yeah my 2016 15” Pro is solid, had a top case change FOC after 2 years so my battery and keyboard is in great shape, still runs like new and the screen is awesome! I don’t want to leave my touchbar so these new rumoured 16” M1/2’s don’t have my exited but I do need something that’s less dependent on the fans at higher loads
Why?
@@XxmatixX6videosdiariosdenadav why what? I’ve owned it nearly 5 years and thanks for the first couple of performance updates it runs better than when I first got it. For me the butterfly keyboard is perfection, I prefer a shallow key travel that I barely have to tap to work and I even like the obnoxiously loud thunks. I’ve played with the new style scissors and they just feel mushy but it’s just something I’ll have to adapt to when I decide on if I want the Apple Silicone 16” ones. The touchbar for me has worked perfectly 99.9% of the time with maybe 2 hiccups in my years of ownership but the adaptability of the function row for when I’m recording or editing without having to know every shortcut is great, moreover the proof of touch based digital inputs had been proven to be better than set in keys years back with the original iPhone, the more we can go towards fully adjustable display style keyboards, the better we can improve the user experience for everything, the only real downside would be repair costs but given that screens are reliable and non of the current system can be repaired as is then it wouldn’t be the end of the world
This was my only mac that didn't broke in crucial areas, but can't wait for M1x.
I just bought one for $500 with a missing SSD so I installed Big Sur on a external drive, man besides only being to run in safe mode, the machine is pretty clean and smooth like you I love the keyboard too, i type super fast with it the graphics are nice too….I’m only gonna be using for music production so all the other issues like ports and everything is irrelevant to me, I have desktop hackintosh with a i5 so I know this 16gb/i7 about to 10x better
I have a 15 inch MacBook Pro from 2017, and it has been a good performer for the most part. I like the keyboard, although its better on my new MacBook Air M1. It has been quite a workhorse, but the M1's are really great!
Luke, thanks a lot for this video. I recently had my full 2016 MBP Top Case replaced due to a keyboard issue. This lasted about 3 months before another key became stuck (worse than the original issues). Last week I was planning on taking it back in to the Apple Store and getting it fixed again, as the new parts came with a new warranty I knew I wouldn't have an issue getting it replaced again, it was just going be inconvenient.
After seeing that you had your unit totally replaced with the 2019 model, I politely requested a similar resolution to my issue, and I am picking up my brand new replacement 16" MBP tomorrow, free of charge.
It does appear that Apple are willing to do the right thing here, at least in my case.
Thanks again.
Great content as always.
I was expecting Dom toretto when he said family
This is getting to a dangerous point
I still push 2015 top spec'd MB Pros when someone needs a used machine. For the ports, easy to work on, keyboard, and reliability over the newer models. Apple did great for a few years allowing the thermal paste to be replaced without removing the logic board, until the 2016 model, where it requires a board removal. 2015 also has the SSD separate and not soldered onto the board like 2016 and up.
Weird, I have been using my 15" from 2016 since I bought it as my daily driver I never had problems with the keyboard. And as a daily driver I mean I'm using it for work 40 hours a week.
You don’t need much for email.
@@robertleidner9703 Still need a working keyboard!
Your one of the lucky ones then lol
You’ve been fortunate! If it lasts without issues, count yourself blessed. This is not a MBP I’d buy for all the tea in China. If something goes wrong, I’ve an expensive paperweight.
Mine stopped working after two weeks and I only did light tasks, same thing happened to my co-worker
I honestly think the problem with the MacBook Pro 16-19 was the heat. The keyboards were being damaged because Apple didn’t have a good cooling system in place.
I’ve had mine for like 3 years, and no problems yet. I’ve been very careful to keep it clean and I don’t use it as a main editing machine for long periods of time. And the fan hardly comes on.
I bought a 16” MacBook Pro a few weeks ago and It’s been great. Yeah, next Gem is coming soon, but this is fine for me
Did you need it on short notice
Or did you just not bother to wait?
I’m about to do the same in the next month. Do you wish you had waited or does it suit your needs? If so, what are you using it for?
@@benjaminpuzzo7194 you should wait for M1X if isn't urgent
@@Nick0408 need it in the next 2 weeks
@@benjaminpuzzo7194 then buy the air the pro is useless I think
i waited from 2016-2019 to get the 16" macbook pro ... then, shy of being 2 years old, i sold it and got myself an m1 air ... worth it
Same
The SD Card Scene at 5:30 cracked me up! 😂😂😂
😂😂😂
“I don’t even own a camera”
Agreed he is so funny
Ikr
I was so terrified that I almost went over to a Gatesware machine.
Dang I have a 2017 MacBook Pro but 13”. Sadly it had to pay around $300 to fix one damn chip just because I didn’t charge it for a long time.
I love my M1 Air, doin game and software development on it and it has been holding up great! Only thing I'd like to upgrade is RAM, but I am still managing to do fine with 8 GB.
We are used to the eco-system, everything just working together, SMB networking etc... but the exception is always "upgrades". Why is that ??
Its almost like we can't get used to it... We goit used to everything else limited about Apple, but its probably because it was less upgradable before than it is now...
I would still say, your in the eco-system... We know Apple better.
I owned the 2016 15” and now own the 2019 16” and honestly haven’t ever had any problems with either. Both were perfect laptops to me.
0:13 definetly not reading a script xD
May I nominate my Mid-2015, 15.4" MBP? - Apple already replaced the delaminated screen but declined to do anything about the inflatable battery. The fans blow alarmingly often. The left speaker also became unusable so I had to disable it. I replaced the battery myself but the speaker was beyond my skill set. I'll keep it as long as I can and replace it with an iPad.
The 2019 16 inch macbook has a good keyboard though...
He’s talking about it’s predecessor.
@@vihaansingha8340 He was talking about both
I've got a 2017 12-inch Macbook and it's been great for me since I bought it new! It still runs well for me and none of the problems listed in this video have demonstrated themselves. It gets a little warm if you use it on your lap, but on a desk, or on a vertical stand like I have it on, even makes that a non-issue.
When I saw Luke doing that SD card joke, I thought: Damn, this guy is Hollywood star in another universe
Simple way to replace the keyboard, Send it for a $250 apple battery replacement. As apple charges you for a battery and you get a all new topcase
I use the xd card reader for extra memory. I have a flushed sd card sitting there. USEFUL.
6:27 I hadn’t used my 2018 MacBook Pro in almost 2 months and now that I’ve started to use it again, the space bar is behaving the same way it always does before it gets stuck. Plus the “I” key is also repeating which is lovely considering this keyboard is only 4 months old and it’s just been sitting there most of the time with the lid closed since I haven’t needed it during the summer. I’d be scared to have a 2016 model with expired warranty because my computer has the “improved” version.
When a product is so bad, even Apple gave you a better replacement
2017 12 inch MacBook is one of the best computers I’ve ever owned. Such a zipply gorgeous little thing. I love love love love it so much.
Can you please one day talk about the titanium PowerBook G4
Solid points. The only Mac's i'm buying right now are Apple Silicon (new) or mid 2015 and prior. Anything in between that's not fully depreciated doesn't make a ton on sense from a value perspective.
Probably lucky, but I love my 13" MBP 2018 with x4 ports. As I don't need a 15", the smaller version seems a good choice.
I have one of those too, and I love it.
I'm still sour about losing the super drive. I replaced my TV and DVD player with my computer years ago and after upgrading last year have had to resort to home brewing my device so I can rip all my dvds because It's really difficult to balance a Mac AND an external dvd drive on your lap while having a late night movie marathon🤣
5:36 - OMG that skit was hilarious 😂😂
You forgot Flexgate. Even worse and more expensive (>600$). In a nutshellc those 2016-2018 MBPs sssuuuccckkk
Hey Luke, I don't know if you changed anything but the lighting now makes you look much nice and cleaner 😃
My fully loaded 2016 MacBook Pro has a 2017 keyboard, with the option key logos. Apple installed it during the replacement program. Had to have the battery replaced too. No problems last 2 years, far more reliable now than when it was new. Crashed all the time for first 2 years. Paid $4300 new, won't be replacing anytime soon.
iMac also tossed out the Serial port, Parallel port, and SCSI port. People lost their minds when that happened… and then they all just bought USB printers and scanners and stopped complaining instantly.
You forgot FireWire! ;)
I agree that you can’t complain about innovation, but in this case, USB A is so widely used, that it makes sense to still include the port… the Mac mini is an example of where they went backwards and readded things that were removed
I used to own this MacBook Pro and was happy with it for 3.5 years, except for the keyboard which sucked from the beginning. And then the nightmare started... one day I got back to the MBP after a meal and the screen was black, and nothing helped resolving it. Then I found out about flexgate and how Apple forces customers to buy new screen for $700 or so.
I still wanted to get it repaired, but at the repair shop they told me the laptop had swollen battery. It was getting all too expensive so I decided to sell the laptop for parts. When I wanted to do a clean install on it, I found out the SSD was damaged too and nothing was possible to copy or install on it.
To my amusement, a second hand shop still bought it from me for more than $450! I bough an old Unibody MBP for half of the money and so far I'm happy with it.
Still rocking a Late-2013 15” here 😄
Best model ever made.
I have one as well, and I love it! I can use it most of the day on its {original} battery!
For 700 bucks I would buy an iPad Air
I remember people saying "Mac's never fail"
Yep. They still make bank on that idea while their software updates (Big Sur) crash horribly. A.SIMPLE.SOFTWARE.UPDATE.
I just bought a 2019 MBP 16” from the refurbished store. I got tired of waiting for the M1X version and I honestly won’t need all that power while I’m in college. All I care about is the large screen, amazing speakers, and the (still) very good performance. Plus I dig the touch bar. I’ll treat myself to the M2X or M3X version when I graduate and make fun of all the M1X owners lol
I’d love a 15 inch MacBook Air 😭
Thisssssss
With a dGPU
Another device that could be in this list is the Air 2020 (not M1, the Intel version). My school bought them for us students and several had problems where there has been a USB-C failure.
Damn what kind of school is that? 😮
love the sd card acting! lol
That was gold
I still have the A1534 "Macbook 12" Retina 2015". Works smoothly and haven't faced any issues yet. Including the thermal troubles that you have said. My usb C works seamlessly and the keys are working fine, butterfly keys working fine. And i still vouch for the butterfly keys. I simply love em!!!
this, shows 2016 15”
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*stares at my 2017 15”*
“You’re a good boi”
I have 2016 15” MBP, the first failure i get is Battery Expanding (i repleace it by my self), then the keyboard broken (double type word N sometimes B, maybe because i drop it, now i get to used it), then spacebar, right arrow, top arrow broken, then the final boss of broken is the display (flexgate, and again i fixed it myself). Now still happy with this Macbook, maybe i will use it until it become unusable.
5:37 That earned you a like instantly. (I usually wait till the end to give the like, but this was fantastic 😅😂)
I’ve got a mid-2015 15in MacBook Pro and it still runs soooo smooth, but not the fastest. It still works honestly it’s amazing for how old it is.
Love iPhone with jack. Wired earphones best as avoids earbuds that need charging! Great on long haul flights!
I don’t know how but you still make the older generation macs more interesting than some channels that only talk about new models and updates. Also thanks to you I snacked a 2015 MacBook Pro and and 2010 iMac for less than a new Mac mini and brought it up to todays standards and couldn’t be happier 👌
5:37 The SD card horror movie, rolling out (maybe) this October!
I'm one of those people watching on a 2016 15" MBP 2.9Ghz 16Gb ram. I hate the keyboard at times because a few keys stick, but so far it's been good to me. It also looks like new because I take care of it and have had a case on it since it was new to me. I bought it used and saved a grand in 2017.
The only reason I bought the 2016 over the 2015 was for the 4gb of vram
I got superrrrr lucky and avoided the 2016 & 2017 crsed pros and found a 15 inch 2018 macbook pro w 512gb ssd and 16gbs of ram for $800 !!! i got a fire deal...it was a gem
Getting the SD card back is like when someone you love break up with you and then later then wanna show up in your life again as nothing has ever happened… it’s like Beyoncé’s song Irreplaceable
My wife still uses a 2016 Rose Gold 12” MacBook.
It’s honestly the most beautiful MacBook I’ve ever seen and it works like a charm to this day. I would definitely upgrade from my 2016 MacBook Pro if Apple redesigns their M2 MacBook Air to look more like the 12” specially since they’ve already removed the fan.
Ahh the 2015 12 inch MacBook… I had it for about 5 months then sold it 😂
I have the 2016 mbp 5 yrs now, and never had a problem with the keyboard and it still works fine! I will wait till apple brings out a rlly good one.
Don’t forget the 21.5 inch 2.3ghz iMac model it’s still retailing for 999 dollars. The worst purchase I ever made 🥲
Giving $300 more and getting the M1 would had given you better speed, efficiency and screen real estate
Best Buy has the 2020 M1 MB Air for $799 right now with a student discount. Unbelievable price for such a great laptop
When you hope your MacBook isn’t the one this video is about 😂 ( though I do have a 15 inch 2011 MBP 😳)
Mine is the worst I didn’t expect that 😭 the worst part is its so expensive and i actually begged for 2015 second hand cause its way cheaper
And then my dad decide to suprise me with it 2,8k macbook
I can’t logically justify a 2016/2017 15 inch mbp. As the performance is poor and reliability is bad. For 2018-2019 mbp, I think those are good, (have some issues you might experience.) but have similar preformance to m1, but becoming cheaper.
Back in 2016, when the touch bar was a new and big thing, and my brother was looking to get a new MacBook, he was gonna get the 2016 15 inch MacBook Pro, but I strongly advised him against it. Told him it doesn't have SD reader, less ports, barely performs better, and the touch bar isn't as useful. After some talking, I managed to convince him to get the 2015 model. Of course at the time we didn't know about the problem with the butterfly keys, so that was a massive bullet that he dodged by getting the 2015 model. He's still using it to this day, still going strong.
I was hesitating between the same two models, but ended up buying the 2016 one. I still have to do a facepalm when I think of that :D
my 12" MB SSD failed shortly after Apple replaced the entire unit except the logic board. so sad...
Lmao, I bought the “Mysterious Water Damaged MBP” from you. Still don’t regret it, lol.
My 2017 13 inch MBP start suffering from stuck keys. I had the top half replaced under warranty but after 2 months or so same problems and its out of warranty now.I found all that is needed is to tap the culprit key a few times (maybe 10 or 20 times) and it fixes it. Its likely food or some crap inside the key.
Honestly, I absolutely adored the butterfly keyboard and never had any problems with it, over about 5 years of having that Mac. I never gave it special treatment and frequently ate whilst typing and stuff
so do I, but i kinda got used to the new designs as well.. Personally, i dunno what all the fuss is about.... It's not like the house shook when typing
Hey, how is going on with the keyboard? @tech-geeky
I got a 2016 15" MacBook Pro for $900 AUD back in July 2018, which was a steal back then as they sold for a lot more than that back then (and still command that much for a worn out one today, let alone a nice one). Mine has not shown any of the issues, it's still on it's original 2016 keyboard, it doesn't have any delamination issues, although the screen backlight is uneven in some spots, but otherwise looks normal and is hard to really notice anyway. It's been a really solid machine for me and I'll no doubt keep it for a little while longer as I like the ability to run VMware Fusion and Windows on it which Apple Silicon can't do yet.
My guess for the reason it's lasted as long as it has without any issues is because the original owner always had it on a desk with the lid closed and used with an external monitor, keyboard & mouse since they took it out of the box as they replaced an old Mac mini with it, so it was like brand new when I got it. In my ownership since 2018 it has never been a primary machine, it's mostly been a secondary or travel machine. I'm really surprised I've never experienced a keyboard failure as I live in a very dusty environment that's impossible to keep clean. I guess I'm lucky in that regard but it's never given me trouble. Would I recommend one though? Hell no. Maybe before the M1 I would have if the price was way below market value like mine was, but now that the M1 exists you may as well just get a 2015 15" or if you really need Intel over an M1 for running Windows then a 2019 16" over any of the butterfly keyboard ones.
While I recently bought a M1 MacBook Pro, my 2011 MacBook Pro is still working just fine, which shows how great a machine that was, especially given the ports it has, how quiet it was for an intel machine.
Broooo rippppp I actually got my Late 2016 15 inch MacBook Pro right when it came out and I feel like it’s a ticking time bomb. The cycle count is low on the battery and overall I would say it runs like new. However, I did get a stuck “b” key but was able to fix it with some compressed air. For anyone wanting to preserve their Late 2016 MacBook Pros, make sure to NEVER eat over it and ALWAYS wipe down the key caps when you begin to notice oils from your fingertips on it to prevent ScreenGate. I also installed Macs Fan Control on mine so the Mac won’t kill itself when it begins to throttle when editing 4K movies. Hopefully this helps y’all out 🤞🏽🤞🏽
05:37
I have a 2016 13’ MBP and i only had minor issues with dirt under the keyboard, but spamming the key fixes it. Apart from that i never had any issues with it
I’m so glad I decided to sell mine a few months back I knew It was on the verge of failing
lol when i saw the thumbnail, i thougt you would be talking about the 2006 white Core Duo Macbook
Not only great content, but great video quality as well! I still miss the 2014 Mac mini I scored off eBay as a work from machine before I could save up for one of the new M1 minis. That 2014 was a trooper.
I think some people aren’t super happy about more ports because USB C is more versatile. It’s all about use cases. I for one have no use for the SD card. The other reason is that thunderbolt 3/4 versatility means that if someone needs to use 10 Gigabit internet or the next generation memory card reader, they only need to pick up a new dongle/adaptor. Not a new laptop. Like how to some DP is better HDMI. with thunderbolt you can use what you want. If they can keep the 4 thunderbolt ports and add more ports, then I’ve no qualms about it. If I have to lose out on versatility for ports I have no use for though, I’d personally not be happy. So we all have our use cases and trades that we’re able to make. Apple is able to serve everybody with versatility vs the latest tech ports that might be outdated in 4-5 years.
I love my 16" 2019 MBP no one will ever tell me it's crap not even in 5 years.
Same. Now with Apple Silicon it seems that all the previous Macs are garbage.
I am one of the owners and I kinda agree. Not because the experience was so terrible - I liked getting a free battery every time my keyboard broke, but now that it is out of the keyboard replacement program, it is a ticking time bomb: I am not going to pay for a new top case once the keyboard breaks again.
Same! I wish Apple would gave us substantial discount for upgrade. Since the MacBook was sold with flawed keyboard from the start and the replacement program did not fix a thing. Mine 2017 been replaced once already
I loved mine! I used a keyboard condom because they are super temperamental but other than that it was great as a daily driver and is still going strong as a hand me down to a family member. That said, I completely agree at second hand prices you'd get much better value on a refurb M1.
Watching this on my 2017 13 inch MacBook working just fine
The best base model intel one you can buy is the 2019 MacBook Air and Pro
What about the flexgate Display cable on these 2016 machines?!