I have both the 25 and 10 deg light beds. Looks like the latest version that just came out has some welcome design tweaks like draft collar bigger hood (original one a bit snug). I pair the 25 deg with a Nemo tensor and the 10 deg with ZB’s R6 rated pad. I find the 25 deg rating to be survival as it’s only good to the freezing mark for me. I have been toasty with only a base layer down to a windy 14deg using both quilts. For me, this system is the only way to go- I move a lot and I can’t tolerate a sleeping bag whatsoever. While it’s not crazy light weight (I have the long, wide size), I’m happy to trade a few ounces for great nights sleep. I’ve taken mine to Africa, section hiking the AT and will take it Iceland this year.
As someone that own a zenvivy light bed I would wait for a sale to buy it. But I have the 25 degree paired with the big agnes insulated air core pad and it is amazing amd light weight.
Comfort and a good sleep gives the energy and high spirits that can override being a gram weenie. Nice pad, I have the old Vector with the built in sponge foot pump that was out before the Tensor. They seem to make comfortable pads Nemo
Just purchased the Quasar long wide and ordered light bed 25 based on this amazing video, thanks a lot for this review, can't wait ! Expensive sleep system but, sleeps to important to dwell on it, I'm sold.
I have the 25 bed and i love my zenbivy bed, i have slept super comfortable, im the one that has one leg covered and one leg out kind of sleep, the zenbivy works in way you can keep one side zipped to the bed sheet and not the other, great nights of sleep with this by far i love it so much
I have the older 20 degree model and regularly pair it with the Quasar 3D and Tensor pads. Been using this set up for the better part of 2 years.This is by far the best sleep system I have ever used, and I have used a lot of sleep systems over the years. I'm a 6ft tall, 230lbs+, side sleeper and this checks all my boxes from sleep comfort to weather versatility. I agree with the commenter below, the best deal is if you catch either the pad or the Zenbivy on sale, but even at full price they are worth it.
@@mairesean1010 If you're forcing me to choose one, I am probably gonna go with the Tensor personally. But I have also spent quite a bit more time on it, so it might just be a personal comfort thing. Like he mentions in the video the Quasar 3D does have a slight curve in it side to side. I could see that being slightly uncomfortable for a stomach sleeper.
Thanks for following up your previous video with more details about the Zenbivy. Looking forward to future installments. I'd love to know how the Sea to Summit Ether Light XT rectangular Long version fits the sheet pocket.
Thank you for this info and for spending my money, 😂! I purchased this nemo and the zenbivy quilt (10) they are legit and super happy with this system.
Awesome vid bro! Can’t wait to get this set up going. Just got the Nemo quasar and just wondering what pump is that you were using here!? Looks like a sweet one
Have you tried Zenbivy's light mat? No one seems to use it so I'm curious. I know the Quasar 3D is awesome, but it's also heavier and not as insulated as Zenbivy's.
I also have the new Quasar 3D and it’s a fantastic pad. It’s perfect for car camping maybe for backpacking but the 30 Denier material adds some weight over the tensor.
That looks super snug and comfy!! I generally sleep pretty terrible when out in the backcountry. It doesn't stop me from going but waking up refreshed once in a while would be nice!! Good job revisiting old contentions and being open to changing back if needs be. Gotta be flexible out there!!
I used the zenbivy light on the PCT, super comfy & warm. I wish they would come up with a simple strap system to attach the quilt to your pad, 10oz for the sheet is a high weight penalty imo.
My favorite sleeping bag is the Big Agnes Diamond Park bag. It is very similar to the Zenbivy bag. I was going back and forth between the two but the options of using just the top as a quilt, being able to use the park wedgie to turn it into a mummy bag, etc., made me choose the Big Agnes design. I really like outdoor companies who are thinking outside the box and giving us options. I look forward to seeing the Zenbivy on future adventures. Thanks for using gear that’s fun and functional!
With an R3.3 rating/value, I'm truly surprise you or anyone would willingly give up an XTherm with an R6.9 rating/value. Comfy "warm" is what comfort is all about & that starts with an air mattress with a HIGH R value. Yes. I own & sleep on my XTherm as part of my sleep system when overnighting. In addition to the XTherm, I have the Thermarest Luxury 3" thick, 25" wide air mattress for the inside of my van. I bought the very first 1" Thermarest inflatable they made back in the late 70's so you can see I'm a long time & repeat Thermarest customer. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
It's not always about having a single item to use for everything. An XTherm for me is overkill in the summer months, so a standard insulated pad is a better option for me.
I have the 23 synthetic, and the 25 degree light(down) beds. wow. just wow. I have used the synth in summer at 75 at night, and in winter the light bed down to 20. Both worked great. Im a bigger guy tho(6;1, 255lb), and I slept warm. Drafts and being able to toss and turn/stomach sleep, are my priorities. I have used both the ZB 25/75 light pad, and my Nemo (LW )tensor pad. I bought mine on the summer sale for 30% off. recommended.
If you were car camping would you stay with the toggled light or try the zippered original? I know the fill power is different but temp rating the same. Thanks
If I was only ever using it for car camping and periodic backpacking trips, I'd go for the standard bed. If I was mainly backpacking and then using on occasional car camping trips I'd go for the Light Bed.
Here's something to consider. Who wants to screw around with zippers while they're half asleep and it's dark out? They seem to have a pretty good securing method to keep drafts out, and just less hassle than zippers. Oh yeah and less weight.
So I got both styles and have tried them both. I like the toggle version better for several reasons, some you mentioned. Mostly the light bed has more roominess.
@@Suncity4 Oh yeah dude. I just got mine in and immediately slept in the backyard like a kid, and it was great (Light 10). Another thing to note for anybody considering between the two, is that I would feel this thing works better as a general kind of blanket (think army woobie/poncho liner) without two long zippers running in the center of the "blanket," just waiting to get cold and touch you in the middle of the night. Perhaps you could elaborate on that, but just thinking it through and having my hands on this light bag confirms it was the better choice.
When I used the zipper version it was slightly snug when I slept on my side, this was not the case with the light bed. In addition, I noticed some tie down loops perhaps on the lower part of the zipper version but when the bottom is unzipped it doesn’t stay on the pad as well as the lights toggle system. I liked the zipper version until my light bed showed up. So, just so much more flexibility with the light version and that is partly due to the size difference which was more than I noticed. Of course this comes at a higher price. But the light bed weight and price are competitive with bags and quilts at those temp ratings. I already had used a pad sheet or liner bags and head cover with my quilts so the weight increase was a couple of ounces for that fantastic hood and toggle connect system. I will sale the Zenbivy bed and keep the light bed. There is a place for the zipper bed but for me the light bed is superior.
I own two of the Light 10's and a Light 25. (For myself and family members.) A great product. I don't understand why REI has not brought them in. It would also be great if Zenbivy offered higher down fill, like a 900 or 950 fill etc.
Hey Devin, Great info as always... Question: For luxury comfort backpacking pads... Quasar 3D insulated vs topo luxe vs Ether Light XT Insulated - who wins?
Excited to see the full review. Trying to decide on a combination between the Zenbivy, EE Convert, Quasar 3d insulated and Etherlite XT. Anything that you can share as a comfort comparison between the two pads and the packability between the two “bags” / sleep systems would be great.
Thanks for the review. I have the original ZenBivy and it was my introduction to qults. The sleep system is comfortable. It looks like they made some adjustments such as replacing zippers with clips. Your pad recommendation is appreciated.
Devon, once you go Zenbivy - you never go back. Michael Glavin is the difference - a rare product designer who honours, above all things, the users experience. I have long been a MG fan as he has the Midas touch with all products he has a hand in designing, GSI Pinnacle cook kits, Sierra design tents 2014 - 2017, Sierra designs backcountry beds, quilts, zissou sleeping bags etc. I have dozen of quilts and sleeping bag options but these days I rarely if ever choose to use anything but a Zenbivy system. I regret it when I don’t take a Zenbivy on trips as my sleep is never ever as good. So, Welcome to the best outdoor sleeping experience you could ever have, particularly with these newly updated 2022 light bed models. P.S. I am currently testing out the new 25 degree Light bed model, used on the Overland track thru hike (Tasmania) last week and it rocked it. Good on you Devon glad you have switched on to Zenbivy and are giving them a go, they are awesome, regards Blue Boy
@@BackcountryExposure Thanks Devon, I have had a RUclips hiatus, but will be back soon with some content to share. It has been too long, but I have continued to enjoy watching some of the vids you have continued to regularly do. Good on you brother. Your friend Brenden - Blue Boy
@@bluecera4226 Hi Bluecera - That's Funny you request this, I have had that very video 2/3 completed in my edit suite for like 12 months. It's called "Lightweight Winter Gear List" Will get moving on finishing it. Thanks Bluecera for the encouragement. Thanks, Blue Boy.
The magic is the versatility and light weight compared to a sleeping bag, and the fact that the wings keep you on the pad and not rolling off it, and makes it easy for you to toss and turn without feeling restricted or getting tangled up in a sleeping bag, You just sleep better.
Not sure how you’re getting 6 pounds. I guess with a sleeping pad as well it can add up. If weight is your biggest concern than this probably isn’t for you. I think being so focused on weight is something that backpackers should loosen up on a bit and just get outside and have a good time. That said, we all have different priorities and goals for getting outside. Thanks!
Backcountry Exposure Weight is not my biggest concern but if I can bring weight down with out sacrificing comfort I will. My thermarest may not be as comfortable but it’s worth carrying 10 oz less. Thanks for the post and reply.
@@barondavis5692 if you can hike 12 miles and sleep on the thermarest and get a good night sleep on it then use it…some of us need more to get a good night sleep. Regardless an indisputable fact is that the better sleep you get, the more rejuvenated you will be in the morning, and in turn the farther you can hike. So honestly, I’m taking the heavier pad if it means being more comfortable, even if the thermarest is good enough… it’s not as comfortable. I guarantee the people who carry the lightest thinnest pads as a part of their sleep system because they think it will allow them to hike more miles and make their pack more comfortable to carry, would get the same miles in a day carrying the 2 pound pad, and be just as comfortable with the weight of their pack if they were getting a really good night of sleep their entire trip.
Soon! I haven't been prioritizing fishing content and also haven't been getting out on the water as much. I have a really young family, including a 6 month old baby so it's not as easy to get out as often. But I've got trips planned and you'll see them on the channel.
Zen bivy looks nice. I use a quilt and I miss having a hood. Pad looks good, but kinda heavy. I’ve got to cart around my dogs gear too 😂 Do you use/test any backcountry dog sleeping bags? I was thinking of modifying a Kelty bag I don’t use anymore for her. I’ve got some basic sewing skills.
I have a dog as you probably already know, but I haven't ever tested/used any dog specific sleeping gear for him. I've looked many times, just never done it. Maybe it's time to add it to the list for the channel. Thanks!
Does anyone know if the quasar 3d is quiet? I have a Tensor right now and it's so loud, I'm embarrassed to be in a campsite with it. It keeps me up and everyone else every time I move! I just want a quiet pad for my Zen Bivy.
Is it the pad that’s loud or is it the pad rubbing on your tent floor that’s loud? My experience is the tensor and quasar are really quiet pads. But if I’m using them inside a tent floor that has a PU coating, then they squeak from rubbing on the floor.
Nice pairing for sure! What are your thoughts on Kammoks Pongo insulated pad? Looks pretty nice and versatile. I personally love the etherlite xt insulated pad. But i have the rectagular reg wide version and i would argue that it is not 4" thick like sea to summit claims. I don't really need 4" thick but its supposed to be as advertized and mine is 3" 1/4 inches thick fully inflated. Anyone else notice this discrepancy? Strange! Not a big deal though really. Seems like their mummy shape version might be 4" on the sides but not the rectangle version. Trekologies UL140 seems pretty comfortable too but bulky. Much bulkier than their UL80 pad but that is a great budget pad. I use it as a loaner and backup pad. Good stuff always Devan! Stay safe! Hike on!
Deven, could you use a 25x72 pad with the zenbivvy? Or is your Nemo pad 77-78 long? I have reg wide pads and the ONLY reason I haven’t bought this bed system is the fear of its limited sizes and length.
This looks cool. Looking forward to your review. How does the sheet and quilt feel on the skin? I’ve been debating on buying a bag liner cause I always tend to get clammy in my Tensor, and my HammockGear burrow. I wish I could find something that doesn’t have a plasticky sticky feel. Any idea if the Zen Bivy will get sticky when it’s hot out or when you sweat? If the hood is to hot can you fold it backwards, or just put your pillow on top? The strapping system on this looks pretty sweet. Would be nice to have a quilt with some versatile straps.
its a bit clammy in summer heat. but sooo much better then my tensor feels sleeping with direct contact. I don't sleep well in warm weather, but it feels great once the temp get below 65(at night). I have a think silk bag liner I sometimes use, but id prefer my ZB. The true win is being able to open it up like a blanket. I can cool and move as I see fit. its my go to car camping.
Not sure if you could answer this question, but do you think the smaller sheet (20x72) would fit on a pad (Sea to Summit Etherlite XT Women's) that is sized at 21.5 x 66? Would the sheet be way too long to work? It's difficult to tell from any videos I've watched how stretchy or forgiving the sheet would be. Thanks so much for your video! It's so helpful, and I'm almost sold on buying a zenbivy light bed now!
It ought to fit that size. There’s a strap that goes under the pad to help secure the fitted sheet to the pad. 66” is a little short though, so you may have some sliding happening. I bet it would work just fine though.
I did not know Zenbivy’s founder was behind the backcountry bed. Cool facts!. I have the Sierra Designs Cloud 800 20 degree and it’s like half of a backcountry bed. Looks pretty sweet!
Great stuff! So interesting!! And not of the typical raved reviews products you normally see!! So this was refreshing and different!! I wish you shown how they were when all packed up!! But I'm afraid the weight of the Nemo mat is WAAAY too heavy for me!! I love the idea of it, but it seems like it's just a car camping only!! No way it's suitable for backpacking!! I don't say it as some ultralighter snob! But because everything I own is already heavy as heck (backpack alone is 2 kg!!) So I can't afford to invest into something that that's heavy!!
I’ll share the pack size when I do a full review. The Quasar really isn’t that heavy. It’s absolutely suitable for backpacking. It packs small and 2 pounds is a reasonable weight to carry for a pad.
I have both the 25 and 10 deg light beds. Looks like the latest version that just came out has some welcome design tweaks like draft collar bigger hood (original one a bit snug). I pair the 25 deg with a Nemo tensor and the 10 deg with ZB’s R6 rated pad. I find the 25 deg rating to be survival as it’s only good to the freezing mark for me. I have been toasty with only a base layer down to a windy 14deg using both quilts. For me, this system is the only way to go- I move a lot and I can’t tolerate a sleeping bag whatsoever. While it’s not crazy light weight (I have the long, wide size), I’m happy to trade a few ounces for great nights sleep. I’ve taken mine to Africa, section hiking the AT and will take it Iceland this year.
I love my Quasar Pad as well! It is extremely comfortable, packs well and the head height is extra nice.
I was just looking at this pad online. Thanks for the review.
As someone that own a zenvivy light bed I would wait for a sale to buy it. But I have the 25 degree paired with the big agnes insulated air core pad and it is amazing amd light weight.
I do agree, the price point is a bit higher, but I think it's worth it.
Quasar is awesome. My wife even uses it as a replacement pad in her Haven hammock
Big fan of the zenbivy for 3 years now
Comfort and a good sleep gives the energy and high spirits that can override being a gram weenie. Nice pad, I have the old Vector with the built in sponge foot pump that was out before the Tensor. They seem to make comfortable pads Nemo
The Vector is a cool pad!
Definitely looks super comfy and cozy!
Just purchased the Quasar long wide and ordered light bed 25 based on this amazing video, thanks a lot for this review, can't wait ! Expensive sleep system but, sleeps to important to dwell on it, I'm sold.
I have the 25 bed and i love my zenbivy bed, i have slept super comfortable, im the one that has one leg covered and one leg out kind of sleep, the zenbivy works in way you can keep one side zipped to the bed sheet and not the other, great nights of sleep with this by far i love it so much
Would love a comparison of the nemo quasar vs tensor
Yes, please!
I have the older 20 degree model and regularly pair it with the Quasar 3D and Tensor pads. Been using this set up for the better part of 2 years.This is by far the best sleep system I have ever used, and I have used a lot of sleep systems over the years. I'm a 6ft tall, 230lbs+, side sleeper and this checks all my boxes from sleep comfort to weather versatility. I agree with the commenter below, the best deal is if you catch either the pad or the Zenbivy on sale, but even at full price they are worth it.
Which do you prefer- Quasar or Tensor? How about for stomach sleeping?
@@mairesean1010 If you're forcing me to choose one, I am probably gonna go with the Tensor personally. But I have also spent quite a bit more time on it, so it might just be a personal comfort thing. Like he mentions in the video the Quasar 3D does have a slight curve in it side to side. I could see that being slightly uncomfortable for a stomach sleeper.
What did you use to blow up your mat?
There are 3 sizes for this quilt, is the one you're using a regular, large, or XL? Seems very roomy. Thanks
Looks like an awesome carcamping setup
And backpacking!
Nice, I found this quilt a few weeks back and plan on moving to it.
Thanks for following up your previous video with more details about the Zenbivy. Looking forward to future installments. I'd love to know how the Sea to Summit Ether Light XT rectangular Long version fits the sheet pocket.
Thanks. The 25” wide sheet is meant for a wide/long pad, so it’ll fit great.
I just picked up the 10 degree bag with the fast sheet so I'm super excited to test it out. Thanks for the info. Really appreciate your videos
I wish the R-value was in the 4s
Thank you for this info and for spending my money, 😂! I purchased this nemo and the zenbivy quilt (10) they are legit and super happy with this system.
Awesome vid bro! Can’t wait to get this set up going. Just got the Nemo quasar and just wondering what pump is that you were using here!? Looks like a sweet one
I’m really looking forward to the review of this. It looks so comfortable
what brand is that orange colored pad under your sleeping pad?
Have you tried Zenbivy's light mat? No one seems to use it so I'm curious. I know the Quasar 3D is awesome, but it's also heavier and not as insulated as Zenbivy's.
Hey awesome film I’m definitely going to try that system or with agnes pad…. Hey what is that miniature pump you used it looks awesome!!!
I also have the new Quasar 3D and it’s a fantastic pad. It’s perfect for car camping maybe for backpacking but the 30 Denier material adds some weight over the tensor.
Way more comfortable, for me, than the tensor. Honestly not concerned about the weight.
It’s not that heavy lol don’t be a gram weenie
sleeping under the naked night sky is the best sleep
That looks super snug and comfy!! I generally sleep pretty terrible when out in the backcountry. It doesn't stop me from going but waking up refreshed once in a while would be nice!! Good job revisiting old contentions and being open to changing back if needs be. Gotta be flexible out there!!
I used the zenbivy light on the PCT, super comfy & warm. I wish they would come up with a simple strap system to attach the quilt to your pad, 10oz for the sheet is a high weight penalty imo.
That's basically every other quilt on the market.
My favorite sleeping bag is the Big Agnes Diamond Park bag. It is very similar to the Zenbivy bag. I was going back and forth between the two but the options of using just the top as a quilt, being able to use the park wedgie to turn it into a mummy bag, etc., made me choose the Big Agnes design. I really like outdoor companies who are thinking outside the box and giving us options. I look forward to seeing the Zenbivy on future adventures. Thanks for using gear that’s fun and functional!
With an R3.3 rating/value, I'm truly surprise you or anyone would willingly give up an XTherm with an R6.9 rating/value.
Comfy "warm" is what comfort is all about & that starts with an air mattress with a HIGH R value.
Yes. I own & sleep on my XTherm as part of my sleep system when overnighting. In addition to the XTherm, I have the Thermarest Luxury 3" thick, 25" wide air mattress for the inside of my van. I bought the very first 1" Thermarest inflatable they made back in the late 70's so you can see I'm a long time & repeat Thermarest customer.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
It's not always about having a single item to use for everything. An XTherm for me is overkill in the summer months, so a standard insulated pad is a better option for me.
I have the 23 synthetic, and the 25 degree light(down) beds. wow. just wow. I have used the synth in summer at 75 at night, and in winter the light bed down to 20. Both worked great. Im a bigger guy tho(6;1, 255lb), and I slept warm. Drafts and being able to toss and turn/stomach sleep, are my priorities. I have used both the ZB 25/75 light pad, and my Nemo (LW )tensor pad. I bought mine on the summer sale for 30% off. recommended.
If you were car camping would you stay with the toggled light or try the zippered original? I know the fill power is different but temp rating the same.
Thanks
If I was only ever using it for car camping and periodic backpacking trips, I'd go for the standard bed. If I was mainly backpacking and then using on occasional car camping trips I'd go for the Light Bed.
Here's something to consider. Who wants to screw around with zippers while they're half asleep and it's dark out? They seem to have a pretty good securing method to keep drafts out, and just less hassle than zippers. Oh yeah and less weight.
So I got both styles and have tried them both. I like the toggle version better for several reasons, some you mentioned. Mostly the light bed has more roominess.
@@Suncity4 Oh yeah dude. I just got mine in and immediately slept in the backyard like a kid, and it was great (Light 10). Another thing to note for anybody considering between the two, is that I would feel this thing works better as a general kind of blanket (think army woobie/poncho liner) without two long zippers running in the center of the "blanket," just waiting to get cold and touch you in the middle of the night. Perhaps you could elaborate on that, but just thinking it through and having my hands on this light bag confirms it was the better choice.
When I used the zipper version it was slightly snug when I slept on my side, this was not the case with the light bed. In addition, I noticed some tie down loops perhaps on the lower part of the zipper version but when the bottom is unzipped it doesn’t stay on the pad as well as the lights toggle system. I liked the zipper version until my light bed showed up. So, just so much more flexibility with the light version and that is partly due to the size difference which was more than I noticed. Of course this comes at a higher price. But the light bed weight and price are competitive with bags and quilts at those temp ratings. I already had used a pad sheet or liner bags and head cover with my quilts so the weight increase was a couple of ounces for that fantastic hood and toggle connect system. I will sale the Zenbivy bed and keep the light bed. There is a place for the zipper bed but for me the light bed is superior.
I own two of the Light 10's and a Light 25. (For myself and family members.)
A great product. I don't understand why REI has not brought them in. It would also be great if Zenbivy offered higher down fill, like a 900 or 950 fill etc.
I'd like to see 950 fill with 7D fabric. Get that weight down.
@@johnmca5643
I totally agree. 👍
Hey Devin, Great info as always...
Question:
For luxury comfort backpacking pads... Quasar 3D insulated vs topo luxe vs Ether Light XT Insulated - who wins?
Excited to see the full review. Trying to decide on a combination between the Zenbivy, EE Convert, Quasar 3d insulated and Etherlite XT. Anything that you can share as a comfort comparison between the two pads and the packability between the two “bags” / sleep systems would be great.
Was this whole system one price? Or did you by the quilt seperate from the sheet etc. How much was it if you dont me asking?
Do you think the light bed 10 degree would be comfortable in the mid teen temperature range?
With a proper insulated pad and possibly a liner you’d be totally good.
@@BackcountryExposure Thanks for the reply! I'm going to commit.
Thanks for the review. I have the original ZenBivy and it was my introduction to qults. The sleep system is comfortable. It looks like they made some adjustments such as replacing zippers with clips.
Your pad recommendation is appreciated.
This is the light bed, so it uses the clips rather than zippers. The standard bed still uses zippers.
What size pad and bed sheet are you using? If you get a 25" pad does it need to be paired with a 25" sheet? Or can you use a 20" sheet?
Is the ether light xt still the comfort king or where does the quasar stack up?
I’m definitely going to look into the Zinbivy. First time I’ve seen that product. Really cool Devin 👍🏻👍🏻
I agree. Looks like it may solve all the complaints I have with my current quilt system. Really looking forward to future videos of this combo
I had seen people talk about it in various comments and online groups, but didn't ever really give it attention. Glad I did, cause it's awesome!
Devon, once you go Zenbivy - you never go back.
Michael Glavin is the difference - a rare product designer who honours, above all things, the users experience. I have long been a MG fan as he has the Midas touch with all products he has a hand in designing, GSI Pinnacle cook kits, Sierra design tents 2014 - 2017, Sierra designs backcountry beds, quilts, zissou sleeping bags etc.
I have dozen of quilts and sleeping bag options but these days I rarely if ever choose to use anything but a Zenbivy system. I regret it when I don’t take a Zenbivy on trips as my sleep is never ever as good. So, Welcome to the best outdoor sleeping experience you could ever have, particularly with these newly updated 2022 light bed models.
P.S. I am currently testing out the new 25 degree Light bed model, used on the Overland track thru hike (Tasmania) last week and it rocked it.
Good on you Devon glad you have switched on to Zenbivy and are giving them a go, they are awesome, regards Blue Boy
Ah very cool! I am quite happy so far!
Great to hear from you as well!
@@BackcountryExposure Thanks Devon, I have had a RUclips hiatus, but will be back soon with some content to share. It has been too long, but I have continued to enjoy watching some of the vids you have continued to regularly do. Good on you brother. Your friend Brenden - Blue Boy
HI Blue boy, miss your videos! would love and lightweight full comfort gear list to contrast with your extreme light weight lists :)
@@bluecera4226 Hi Bluecera - That's Funny you request this, I have had that very video 2/3 completed in my edit suite for like 12 months. It's called "Lightweight Winter Gear List" Will get moving on finishing it. Thanks Bluecera for the encouragement. Thanks, Blue Boy.
What pump was that????
The Large has the 25 x77 not the regular
I see size chart, but i not sure. Im 6,2 and 245 lbs. Of course XL good for me, but weight and volume not ok.
if you're doing all that to enclose everything what's the point of it being a quilt? it just seems like a sleeping bag but with openings.
The magic is the versatility and light weight compared to a sleeping bag, and the fact that the wings keep you on the pad and not rolling off it, and makes it easy for you to toss and turn without feeling restricted or getting tangled up in a sleeping bag, You just sleep better.
It looks like this set up in XL would be almost 6 lbs with out a stuff sac and pillow. My current set up is about 3 lbs 6 oz.
Not sure how you’re getting 6 pounds. I guess with a sleeping pad as well it can add up. If weight is your biggest concern than this probably isn’t for you. I think being so focused on weight is something that backpackers should loosen up on a bit and just get outside and have a good time. That said, we all have different priorities and goals for getting outside.
Thanks!
Backcountry Exposure Weight is not my biggest concern but if I can bring weight down with out sacrificing comfort I will. My thermarest may not be as comfortable but it’s worth carrying 10 oz less. Thanks for the post and reply.
@@barondavis5692 Good don’t be a gram weenie
@@barondavis5692 if you can hike 12 miles and sleep on the thermarest and get a good night sleep on it then use it…some of us need more to get a good night sleep. Regardless an indisputable fact is that the better sleep you get, the more rejuvenated you will be in the morning, and in turn the farther you can hike. So honestly, I’m taking the heavier pad if it means being more comfortable, even if the thermarest is good enough… it’s not as comfortable. I guarantee the people who carry the lightest thinnest pads as a part of their sleep system because they think it will allow them to hike more miles and make their pack more comfortable to carry, would get the same miles in a day carrying the 2 pound pad, and be just as comfortable with the weight of their pack if they were getting a really good night of sleep their entire trip.
When are we going to see more backpacking/fishing videos???
Soon! I haven't been prioritizing fishing content and also haven't been getting out on the water as much. I have a really young family, including a 6 month old baby so it's not as easy to get out as often. But I've got trips planned and you'll see them on the channel.
@@BackcountryExposure super excited. I live here in Utah as well and am planning a trip to Cutthroat and Lilly Lake this spring.
cant wait for these to hit aus
Zen bivy looks nice. I use a quilt and I miss having a hood. Pad looks good, but kinda heavy. I’ve got to cart around my dogs gear too 😂
Do you use/test any backcountry dog sleeping bags? I was thinking of modifying a Kelty bag I don’t use anymore for her. I’ve got some basic sewing skills.
UGQ makes a dog quilt
I have a dog as you probably already know, but I haven't ever tested/used any dog specific sleeping gear for him. I've looked many times, just never done it. Maybe it's time to add it to the list for the channel. Thanks!
@@Archer21344 cool I’ll check it out
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Does anyone know if the quasar 3d is quiet? I have a Tensor right now and it's so loud, I'm embarrassed to be in a campsite with it. It keeps me up and everyone else every time I move!
I just want a quiet pad for my Zen Bivy.
Is it the pad that’s loud or is it the pad rubbing on your tent floor that’s loud? My experience is the tensor and quasar are really quiet pads. But if I’m using them inside a tent floor that has a PU coating, then they squeak from rubbing on the floor.
And none of the Zenbivy products are in stock. I guess I’m buying a Backcountry Bivy! 🤷♂️
Nice pairing for sure! What are your thoughts on Kammoks Pongo insulated pad? Looks pretty nice and versatile. I personally love the etherlite xt insulated pad. But i have the rectagular reg wide version and i would argue that it is not 4" thick like sea to summit claims. I don't really need 4" thick but its supposed to be as advertized and mine is 3" 1/4 inches thick fully inflated. Anyone else notice this discrepancy? Strange! Not a big deal though really. Seems like their mummy shape version might be 4" on the sides but not the rectangle version. Trekologies UL140 seems pretty comfortable too but bulky. Much bulkier than their UL80 pad but that is a great budget pad. I use it as a loaner and backup pad. Good stuff always Devan! Stay safe! Hike on!
In terms of comfort (not considering the R value), how would you compare this Nemo pad to your Ether Light XT Extreme?
Pretty dang close! I was shocked at how good I slept both nights on it, and I'd put it as a direct comparison to the Ether Light and Q Core SLX.
Deven, could you use a 25x72 pad with the zenbivvy? Or is your Nemo pad 77-78 long?
I have reg wide pads and the ONLY reason I haven’t bought this bed system is the fear of its limited sizes and length.
I use a 25x72 pad with the 25x77 zenbivy sheet all the time. Works just fine. 😊
All I needed to hear, lol. Sold!
This looks cool. Looking forward to your review. How does the sheet and quilt feel on the skin? I’ve been debating on buying a bag liner cause I always tend to get clammy in my Tensor, and my HammockGear burrow. I wish I could find something that doesn’t have a plasticky sticky feel. Any idea if the Zen Bivy will get sticky when it’s hot out or when you sweat? If the hood is to hot can you fold it backwards, or just put your pillow on top?
The strapping system on this looks pretty sweet. Would be nice to have a quilt with some versatile straps.
its a bit clammy in summer heat. but sooo much better then my tensor feels sleeping with direct contact. I don't sleep well in warm weather, but it feels great once the temp get below 65(at night). I have a think silk bag liner I sometimes use, but id prefer my ZB. The true win is being able to open it up like a blanket. I can cool and move as I see fit. its my go to car camping.
Not sure if you could answer this question, but do you think the smaller sheet (20x72) would fit on a pad (Sea to Summit Etherlite XT Women's) that is sized at 21.5 x 66? Would the sheet be way too long to work? It's difficult to tell from any videos I've watched how stretchy or forgiving the sheet would be. Thanks so much for your video! It's so helpful, and I'm almost sold on buying a zenbivy light bed now!
It ought to fit that size. There’s a strap that goes under the pad to help secure the fitted sheet to the pad. 66” is a little short though, so you may have some sliding happening. I bet it would work just fine though.
@@BackcountryExposure Thanks so much!!!
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I did not know Zenbivy’s founder was behind the backcountry bed. Cool facts!. I have the Sierra Designs Cloud 800 20 degree and it’s like half of a backcountry bed. Looks pretty sweet!
Yeah, he's behind a lot of innovative gear. The cloud is a solid bag!
Great stuff!
So interesting!! And not of the typical raved reviews products you normally see!! So this was refreshing and different!!
I wish you shown how they were when all packed up!!
But I'm afraid the weight of the Nemo mat is WAAAY too heavy for me!!
I love the idea of it, but it seems like it's just a car camping only!! No way it's suitable for backpacking!!
I don't say it as some ultralighter snob! But because everything I own is already heavy as heck (backpack alone is 2 kg!!) So I can't afford to invest into something that that's heavy!!
I’ll share the pack size when I do a full review.
The Quasar really isn’t that heavy. It’s absolutely suitable for backpacking. It packs small and 2 pounds is a reasonable weight to carry for a pad.
I always get ads for the Zenbivy but I've never seen anyone use one before, that looks comfy 👍🏼
I don't see them often either. Which is too bad cause I really enjoy it!
I was intrigued till you said 2+ pounds. It better be one amazing night of sleep!
Worth it!!
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FYI Blue Boy Backpacking beat you to the Zenbivy by 2yrs
Didn’t know it was a race! 😜