Colorado 4x4 Rescue and Recovery - Rolled Xterra - Warden Gulch (Keystone, CO)
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Sunday October 4th two teams spent the day at the very end of Warden Gulch Trail east of Keystone recovering a Xterra that rolled approximately 6 times off the trail.
This was an extremely complicated pull. Due to the steep terrain and instability of the shelf road above the vehicle, the safest route to winch was just over 150 yards north to a wide stable flat spot. While we prefer to always stay on the trail, safety had to preside on this one and we took a handful of vehicles approximately 100 feet off trail to minimize further risk of injury to any of the team members.
Team 1 arrived first and began assessing the pull, reseating beads on the driver side tires, and working to pull the vehicle down the boulder field and back up the final hill to the trail.
Once up the hill, Team 2 took over rigging the vehicle for transport down to pavement where a tow truck could be arranged by the vehicle owner.
This operation was just shy of 12,000 feet in elevation, and took 8 solid hours of rigging lines and winching to get it on the trail, as well as an additional 90 minutes to dead tow it off the mountain. Outstanding teamwork by both teams pushing through an extremely tiring day at elevation to make this a success!
You all are really good people. Everyone will need help at some point in life, thanks for being there. I actually am impressed with how well the Xterra held up to rolling six times?
Extarra's are great suvs
A couple max tracks would really help hehe
Beautiful territory. Glad you guys can get these wrecks out of the mountains. Hope the people are ok.
They were ok and onsite with us for the recovery
Good lord that was a beast of a pull! Made more complicated with lack of anchor points to utilize snatch blocks. Very impressive.
LMFAO I’d love to be the insurance claims adjuster on that one. You all earned it that day, including the winch which sounded like it’s worm gear took a dump.
Just walking up and down that embankment 10 times with equipment, and you’ve done your workout for the week. Like you, I also priced out the 600ft coil of line, and that stuff is expenSIVE.
Poor car. I'd love to be born into these 4wd west coast families like you guys
Hey look at all those little rocks down there... wait thats an xterra not a rock!?
Nice job! That couldn't have been easy. Nice to see an XJ on the team too!
Thanks again man, always a great adventure.
Gives the term
Full Pull
A whole new meaning
We're 10' short.......meh we have enough shackles to make it up 🤣 Nice job to all involved with operation 👌
Thanks for recording and thanks for posting.
The winch motor sounds like it is on the last days of living.
If it was a Warn winch, they are generally rebuildable
@@gregparrott (Sounds more like a WORN winch to me...) :P
Nahhhh it just needed a break. She was workin Hard.
Nice recovery. Safely done.
A really interesting video. Thanks
You guys could do with a milwaukee sds battery drill and an impact gun. You could drill holes in the rock and set anchors to move them out of the way of vehicles like when you were fighting the rocks around the 16:27 mark
extremely interesting suggestion there... i like that.
As an xterra owner, that hurt me to watch. Glad everyone was OK.
I had to pull a 500 ft winch up mtn to recover a boat n trailer off glenn highway here in alaska .I was dang near muscle failure by time i was done resigning the extensions lol
Did people survive that fall? That shelf looked really sketchy!! Great job.
indeed they did! they were back onsite with us for the recovery.
Interesting video. While unlikely to work, was a check done to see if the engine could be fired up long enough to try and drive it out of the rocks?
Battery ejected itself and the oil pan was punctured
If you keep winch extensions in climbing rope bag, it pays out super easy. Some people use electrical extension cord reels
wheres the go pro footage,,how has it still got wheels,,strait.?.
Y'all were lucky it was still rolling on 4 after that rollover 👍🏻. 🇺🇸😎
We had to seat the beads on driver side but yep it rolled with ease for sure
12k foot elevation? Darn that’s a massive workout!
It's hard on you for sure
Awesome recovery, I hope the driver got out ok. You will have to let the viewers know what happened.
Driver was actually ok, came back up with us for the recovery.
That Ole boy went to the end of trail and beyond. I've seen that trail from Santa fe peak but never ran it.
yeah the trail stops way back where we were at.
That worm gear was going long before this pull “Great Job”
Great video thank you!
Great job! Nice and safe!
that's what we try for every time!
Why was it necessary to air down, looked like a fairly normal gravel road?
The climb up though the trees wasn't totally videoed, but there was some technical spots, and airing down keeps you from popping tires and bouncing teeth out of your head lol
Damn that was quite a recovery. You guys need to add a heavy lift helicopter. LOL.
I'm curious what a helicopter could lift at their altitude around 12,000 feet. For example, a CH-47 that can carry 25,000lb is derated to 16,000lb at 4000ft altitude. I don't know if that limit is due to inability to lift more, or just that range decreases so much that it becomes ineffective.
@@alskjflaksjdflakjdf Good point. I have no idea. 12,000 is pretty high. I know those firefighting helicopters carry those big buckets of water up into the mountains, but I don't know to what elevation they go. They probably wouldn't be up this high.
Lack of air density the higher you go, I’m not honestly sure if it’s due to less power or rpm from the engine or because you would effectively lose lift with the same rpm because of the lack of density though.
this isnt going anywhere wish had dollar every time i heard that, famous last words
What type of radios are you using to communicate with everyone?
Ham radio
On this op we were using our business band channels though
Just needs a new windshield, maybe fix the tail light and some touch up paint.
To be honest, I've seen people drive cars in worse shape. Yes, worse shape than that. A pickup with most of the cab cut off, missing doors, a cracked up dash, caved in hood, missing a front fender, the list goes on for awhile. I wish it was the only one but I've seen several.
I hear ya but I bet their car payment is lower than my new Jeep payment!
How did the Xterra get out? Did you pull it down or did you leave it and the owner came back with a trailer?
we flat towed it to the county road for a wrecker to pickup.
@@JustinKingOffroad nice work
Nice job everyone!
What kind of mistake did we do to let let this happen ?
whats the difference of being all slow over the rock as to not brake something then moments later taking a 2x6 and a metal pipe to the sheetmetal. Its already a complete wright off.
It's not that we were trying to go slow it's that's all a faster we could go
Cool area gotta check out that trail. Won't be going up that road it looks like a dead-end anyway.
from where we were winching is technically the end of the trail anyway, going beyond that is "off trail" per colorado standards.
@@JustinKingOffroad good to know thanks Justin !
Them seem like a good set of wheels and tires
A set of pry bars would help moving some of the rocks out of the way. Or ast least move smaller rocks to help "ramp"over the bigger ones.
You never did tell us what happened, you also mentioned not damaging the Tundra, where did the Tundra fit into the recovery. Putting a dynamic rope into the winch rigging created uncontrolled movements of the recovered vehicle, this seems very dangerous.
basically they went too far and tried to turn around, rolled it. the trail officially ends where we were all staged. running a synthetic rope in line with a winch rope is indeed dangerous, but really helps store the energy from the winch and take some of the load off of it as the vehicle slams against rocks. we stayed well within the operating limits of the gear, and would not normally do this with a vehicle that wasn't this severely damaged. when you do run kinetics in line with winch line, you gotta keep everyone extra clear of the rig, which we did.
Should have just used a Yankum. Just kidding. Great recovery
Is there a reason you are wearing hi-zi vest way way far away from traffic ? Does the synthetic line stretch very much, I know steel cable stretches. ? I sure hope no one was in that Xterra when it made that escape for freedom ! I may be asking what may seem dumb questions, but we don’t see much off- road recovery like you’re doing. Thanks for the videos it entertained me the last few weeks, please keep making them
not dumb questions at all!! We wear hi-viz so everyone is easily distinguishable as to where they are on operations. the vehicle owners were onsite without hi-viz and they were honestly hard to see 150 yards away. their clothing blended in with the rocks. especially through the windshield of the truck (I was running the winch). there was a person in the vehicle when it rolled, and they were ok. had to walk out for help.
@@JustinKingOffroad I'd like to hear more about long it took them to walk for help. I know your channel isn't about the backstory for some of these recoveries but sometimes it would be good to know for reference. Personally, I always bring enough gear/food/water to keep me going for at least 3 days in case I need to hike out of the backcountry.
@@PNWOverland generally speaking we don't have that information but this is a pretty short trail so I'd say three miles or less to find somebody to drive them into town
A man and his dog died on Warden Gulch 5 years ago when their FJ Cruiser rolled off the road. They were very lucky to survive.
Oh my!!
Is it totaled? /s
oh yea lol!
hi justin
I know that you have to cope with the equipment you have
so this shouldn't be an insult but just a question.
have you ever thought of taking a tractor with a forestry winch with you?
because in my area if you get stuck somewhere you go to the next farmer and ask for a short pull.
Most of them are also lumberjacks and are therefore also equipped with forestry winches for their tractors, not something like on your Jepps but commercially used forestry winches with 10,000 - 22,000 pounds of pulling force and 150 - 400 feet of rope is nothing unusual.
Well that sounds nice it's really impractical for us to have something like that. but it sure would make quick work of it. Somebody has to store it somebody has to have a trailer for it somebody has to maintain it and I just don't see that happening.
Craigslist: "Used Exterra, only driven on Sunday, garaged. Few door dings from the supermarket"
LOL that's a good one right there.
You forgot "good tires, custom roof work, no flood damage"
“No low-balling, I know what I have.”
What a job!! That was a lot of work. Did that winch survive or was it toast?
We're not sure yet, waiting for owner to check it out.
Was the 16.5k electric or hydraulic? That seemed like a ton of constant run time on the winch for it being electric. Are hydraulic winches something you or the group tend to stay away from?
it was electric. hydraulic winches are just not as common on vehicles, most of the power steering pumps are not up to the task to run a winch. and most vehicles don't have a PTO on the transmission to run a winch like they want to be run.
I was wondering about a PTO? Are PTO’S gone with old WW2 type Jeep’s?
there are very few modern vehicles with PTO. some of the newer ford superduty trucks have them, but they are not easy to setup for offroading.
Ed Shelden you could put one on a CJ up to 1971 off the back of the transfer case. There were some Dana 20 PTOs that ran off the bottom of the pan.
Some truck transmissions still a PTO access port, you can run a hydraulic off of them, like tow trucks do.
I have a PTO winch on my 66' unimog. It's mechanically driven. Hydraulic winches are more controllable. Ideally you'd have a PTO power a hydraulic pump that runs a winch etc.
part out? qwq
WHY NOT MOVE THE ROCKS WITH THE WINCHES FIRST??? AT 28:19
That’s why I like my hydraulic winches. That’s a mighty long pull for electric
not many hydraulic winches can run off a modern vehicle's power steering pump and actually pull with any speed. i've been looking into this and just can't find one.
Justin King I am into old and slow off road vehicles, sold my 1980 Unimog and working on restoring a 1991 now.
@Justin King Look for an old army truck that has a PTO winch in the front bumper. If you get lucky you can find one with a winch behind the cab as well. The PTOs have a separate hydraulic pump just like a wrecker and can pull like hell as long there is diesel in the tank. Sometimes old school is the best school. Bonus, you can wrap a lot more cable around the drums on those winches. Parts are still available new old stock.
@27:00 wouldn't it be easier to move the rock with the 6~8 people standing there?
Absolutely not
38:07 wow how picturesque that sure isn't Park Ave NY city....
23:50,winch the rock away.
I'm interested in what type of winch that was that did the majority of the distance
it is a Warn 16.5 ti
@@JustinKingOffroad What battery in the truck? Sounded like that winch was bogging down pretty badly.
Is it a Warn winch, or a worn winch. It got r done either way. Thanks for the video. Interesting.
@@loveistheanswer8137 it's a worn out warn now!
Man that was a work out
I slept really good that night
In all honesty I expected this to be a lot more squished. xterra must have one whale of a box support I would be concerned about the condition of the kinetic rope. Not designed for this type applications Did I mention I own a 2002 xterra with posi rear end and the same ground clearance as a F150
kinetic ropes used in line with winches must be done with extreme caution. we were well within the limits of the gear on this one, but it can get extremely dangerous very fast. this helped store the energy from the winch and "rubber band" the xterra over the rocks.
things destroyed the easy way would of been to get a couple long lengths of steel cable connected your trucks together and just did the long yank and drag down the trail. it wont look pretty for the truck getting dragged as it will get thrown around with the violence chain around the windshield and give it hell moved a few wrecks out the hollows that way 2 big diesels would be dragging all the boulders with the xterra no problems
Love how there is always a big “hole” (no people) on the axis of the tow line. Obviously not your first rodeo.
indeed
Is it mean to think they should've just dynamited it into confetti where it laid? Lol
How in the world did that thing not lose a single wheel or at least snap a tie rod on that roll?? I cant believe those BFGs still had air in them too haha. Looks like you'll be fine once you get a salvage title drawn up 🤣
We actually had to reseat both driver side tires beads in order to get it rolling but yeah the underside actually fared pretty well on that thing!
Really enjoy your videos and you do a great job. Only reason I have not subscribed is while I realize prep and hook up can be time consuming, for me it takes away from the video when you speed everything up, especially the actual recovery after all is hooked up.
What year is the Xterra? I need an engine for my 2006’
It looks pretty late-model for a 2nd gen. Probably 12-15.
Me would think that engine might have a few issues.... Just saying...
What were they mining back there??
we believe it was gold and silver based on the quartz that was mixed in with the scree all over.
Acupulco Gold and some Panama Red
@@carmineredd1198 those strains would be nice again
@@wesleymadsen4357 skunk No.1 , Afghan Blonde, Colombian Pale , Hawaiian Sunshine , where have all my old friends gone ?
Lots of silver up in that area.
Did I miss the part about why you left the driver's door open on the Xterra for the pull up the hill? I know that it could have been tied close for the trip through the rocks.
didn't matter either way, open or closed.
@@JustinKingOffroad Just after I hit send the video stopped and the door was taped closed.
Yeah it wouldn't latch
Winch sounds about 100 yrs old
I follow you guys on facebook and I am thinking about joining!
Why don’t they just leave it there
That's not a responsible way to treat the environment. It really needed to come out.
thats one messed up jeep
interesting
just thinking of 12K elevation makes gasp for breath
totally want to warm up to it if you can. i live at 5000 and drove to 12000 in 3 hours, i was totally feeling it. the smart thing would have been to camp at 10,000 the night before.
Wonder if he will buy a new Bronco with the insurance money?
interesting thought! probably not, bronco release too far out.
That thing got destroyed
Indeed
37:25 Me: “Hey, look out, the Jeep’s gonna hit that big rock!”
Jeep: “What rock?”
Sounds like once you busted out the weed whacker, this recovery went a lot quicker....
Great story. Some of the narration was very good. This video is too long and needs better editing . The time laps was good. A real map inserted into the video would give the viewer a prospective of the location.
on my personal videos they are long on purpose. you can always fast forward through. the official org videos are much shorter.
Great job, keeping the backcountry clean, and just as important you didn't add any more scratches LOL
Is this a Gov. Or County Job. Looks to me like a built jeep could wheel right over there and drag that thing out. But to preserve the ROCK Field that is not an option? SMH.
Going off trail is illegal in Colorado, we asked USFS and were denied. Nice keyboard warrioring though! It's easy to armchair quarterback an op you were not on.
Lmao. That winch needs to replaced now. You worked the hell out of it. You should of pulled it with the truck as soon as it passes the big rocks. Anyone have a spare $3k for a new 16k winch?
they could of yanked it with the boulders with that wreck chain around the windshield chain up the three trucks and give it hell the boulders will roll right out the way its pretty safe as long as no one hangs out at the cable
Id LOVE to come out there to go Jeepin. Looks Absoulty Amazing and Beautiful...It Truly is Gods Counrty. Happy Jeepin from Butler Pennsylvania The Birth Place of the Jeep. Remeber the XJ is the Best J and Wranglers are For Cheerleaders.
I was just up there in my Gladiator a couple of weeks ago. Wouldn’t have even thought of driving up that far. Stopped where you guys parked the trucks. Crazy.
Wise choice
I was wondering the other day why I never see Xterra’s in overlanding videos. I watch two of yours in a row and both had Xterras. Maybe that answers my questions.
Great recovery. I’m guess by the way you all operate that there are some military backgrounds involved.
Great job
What a waste of a nice Xterra.
IKR I love xterras I have a 01'
Why not leave it there and just take pictures for the insurance company?
@@okfuskee Why not, there are wrecked cars all over in remote areas?
That was once a really nice X. Looks more like a Jeep now that it's all fuglied up :)
Always interesting to watch how these recoveries are rigged. Another great recovery.
this was certainly one of the most complicated of the year here. there's been probably 3 in total now about this difficult.
Bet the x still runs , ha , they are tough rigs
I think the guy with the Superduty was using his foot to rev the truck while winching. Ford has a pin in the PCM that can be grounded which will then keep your engine rpms elevated. They also have another pin that if grounded maintains battery voltage by increasing the engine speed. There are instructions and diagrams on which wire does what. These are part of the upfitter sheets that go to companies which convert these trucks into other units. These are always hooked up on tow trucks, ambulances, and things like that. A toggle switch and some wire can save the operator of that truck from footing the throttle all the time. Just a suggestion. Great video.
Whoa! What a video! Glad they will be ok!
Looks to me like you guys aren't to careful about scratching the poor car!! :-)
Great video as always Justin. Also awesome recovery. Thanks for sharing!
It was a picture perfect day to be above tree line!
play stupid games, win stupid prizes. O.o
for sale,,slightly used xterra,,trail ready..
Saludos desde Chile amigos..
Dang! This xterra driver should replace the winch that cleaned up his mess! As well as buy all these guys a steak dinner...
We're not 100% sure if that was teeth slipping on the gears or if the winch motor had just finally given up for the day. That's a 16,000 lb warn winch so it should have been more than up to the task but we did have it running as the primary winch for about 6 hours.
@@JustinKingOffroad found my winch answer. It sounded like a PTO winch
Shaun Adams pto winch would be good.
Beautiful country
The King 😎
How do you bring it down the mountain then ? Somebody brought a trailer to put the car on ?
Drag it out by force