The Emperor Explains Why He Needs GUILLIMAN AND THE LION | Angron Vs The Lion | Warhammer 40K Lore
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I am a long term Dark Angels fan and collector and the fact that I get to make this video is genuinely a dream come true!
Well done my man. Beautifully narrated
@@frankthetank8050 cheers mate!
I wonder if the Ork would get to Angron first, or maybe if they would team up with the Lion to get him. The Orks are big mad at Angron for taking their friend Yarrick off the playground.
Youre a brother dark angel ok i subbed
I can hear it in your voice!
*Dark Angels carrying a dying Dante*
Dante: Guys it's okay, just put me down, I'm fine with this outcome.
Dark Angels: Sorry cousin, Primarch said you have to live.
Dante: WHY DO THESE PRIMARCHS KEEP INSISTING I LIVE?!?
he does not wanna die randomly ffs lol
😂😂😂😂
I'd say his resolve and ability to resist the Red Thirst is reason enough. Sure, the Primaris get to avoid the mutation altogether, but you can't manufacture that sort of determination in a lab. Ya gotta earn it. I bet he really does ask himself that question though lol
Dante is the progeny of one of the lost primarchs.
Dante is going to become the incarnation of Sanguinius.
The fact that Sanguinius was able to beat Angron in single combat, WHILE wounded, still put me to awe to this day.
tired Dante killed Swarmlord 1 vs 1.
Sanguinius was fighting the Bloodthirster Ka'bandha he managed to beat the Bloodthirster then he fought his Demon brother Angron straight after.
@@angelobrewster6293and destroyed a titan and then took on Horus.
@@angelobrewster6293 And let's not forget Sangy defeated Angron by pulling his hair. It's no wonder Angron got captured and enslaved by humans.
Some of the worst lore writing to date. Can always tell who an authors favourite character is. Poor show. No wonder ADB and Abnett had a fall out over it.
Dante was like, 'Finally I can rest '.
10 seconds later
Dante was like 'oh FFS Lion, will you please fuck off'.
Probably 😂
The lion didn’t give his nephew permission to die
Ya about that.
Best comment so far. Made all the more hilarious by the fact it's probably true.
DANTE, IS THIS NOT A TRULY MOMENTOUS OCCASION?
*dante coughs for 5 minutes straight*
I've got the feeling that after 10,000 years, the Emperor has finally powered up so he can bring his best regicide pieces back
that would make sense (at least somewhat) since if I'm not wrong the "1000" souls a day is not true for a long time. I've heard that it is around 10k-15k of them a day.
well, the breaking of the Eye of Terror flooded everything with warp energy, empowerig psychers. And who is the greatest psycher of all time?
@@martincibik3997 I could be wrong but I remember it being an average of 1000 souls per day. With it fluctuating, and to keep in mind these are not just normal souls, the more powerful a psyker the more potent a soul they have. So it is a lot of power for Emps.
Then adding that the galactic rift has empowered all Psykers and as he is not only the most powerful psyker but also been fed with psykers and has been worshpped for so long he might be on the precipice of godhood or at least so powerful directly effecting the material plain should be trivial.
You know, you bring up a good point. With the nails removed, should Angron somehow be able to be turned from chaos would he be under the influence of the, (the nails) anymore? Was the Horus heresy part of the emperor’s plan all along?
@@reidboggs4344Apparently given the level of technology is such that affected his soul, they're fully fused with his existence (which seems to explain why he still has them even after his ascensión)
Guilliman is Humanities Hope, while Lion is Humanities Fury.
Is sanguinius next?
@@thetickrules The ONLY one that is full dead dead is Horus, any other Primarch (although some would require major bullshit plot armour) can be brought back somehow. Horus was the only one that was destroyed mind, body and soul, like completely destroyed. All other Primarchs that were killed still have pieces of them left that can be brought back.
@@SilentHotdog28u didnt read the last siege of terra book?
Lion is a furry?
@@ProfOak-ci2cc That would be Leman Russ
I'm a firm believer that The Emperor didn't make the Primarchs equally.
The Lord of the First was feared by Horus for a reason. And now that he has returned we will see why.
He will win with plot armor.
I mean, its not hard to tell that not every primarch was made equally. One look at Angron against Alpharius or Curze and the Lion could tell you that.
And if the Lions "tactical plans" in the horus heresy books (such as leaving inwit to die after stripping its defenders to go burn more homeworlds; or demanding supreme command of a crusade with Dorn and Fulgrim despite being the most recently found) show us anything of him back then; there wasent a lot for Horus to fear
@@jasonburke1671 The Lion was famous for his tactical genius throughout the great Crusade. He even surpassed Horus with campaign victories. He was only surpassed after the Rangdan Xenocide which the Dark Angels saw the worst of.
His biggest faults in the Crusade and Heresy were his inability to trust and his secretive and taciturn nature.
@@BM-wf9uf its numbering his honors by the number of compliances is exactly why Dorn begins to have a distaste for the Lion during the Occluda Noctis campaign. If it were merely about collecting compliances and tallying your victories, surely the UM would be the first among equals or even the Fists whom had a wall kilometers long with their honors.
As for his faults in the heresy; none of what you mentioned changes the fact there isent really a tactical reason to strip away defenders (of whom belong to another legion mind you) from a stellar empire with large shipyards the traitors can turn on the imperium...to go planet bombing. There has been quite a difference between how GW wants the Lion to be seen in 30k, and how Black Library has portrayed him.
Oh yeah. The Emperor definitely made sure he kept some of the best ones in his calculation, think of a Horus Heresy where Angron stayed loyal but in turn someone like Sanguinius turned. On one side you got the brute who can work with no one and might kill you if you look at him wrong, on the other you have possibly the strongest Primarch with arguably too little flaws.
I assume, suicidal Dante was pissed to see himself getting saved, again lol. Thanks for the video.
Dante is the 40k version of the "aw shit, here we go again"-meme. :D
kxm. no. he is not suicidal anymore.
@@ArgelTal_ I think it's more a case of the older "Man... I'm too old for this shit..." meme, lol
@@Ariana321 Thats clint eastwood ... but yes we might gotta write an open letter to henry cavill to get clint if dante should appear anywhere. :D
but to be fair if we go that level i want jack black playing a nurgling ...
Dante is Danny glover from lethal weapon
Dante: *passed out and about to get stomp by Angron*
Lion: *stops Angron from killing Dante*
Dante: Excuse me, that was my moment!
Dante: Can I just die please?
Ghazghkull: AINT NO WAY DAT GIT IZ KRUMPIN ANGRON BUT ME!! EY BOYZ?!
Sanguinor: SIKE!
Not yet! Only in Death does duty end!
Sanguinius again: hey
Dante: please father, just let me die
Sanguinius: lmao no, here comes Lion with a steel chair to save you
This was a perfect display of both primarchs abilities. I was afraid that it would have been a one sided fight to show off the Lion's skill to hype his new model. But thankfully the writers had the courtesy to give them both an fight. Showing that while he couldn't just overwhelm Angron through sheer might in a straight forward 1vs1. He had the advantage with his tactical abilities, and past experiences fighting other promarchs
I always imagined the Lion as the best duelist in the entire setting.
Imagine being a Dark Angel and fighting about to die and then your Primarch appears out a literal puff of smoke
*shitting bricks epically*
By far, the best narration I've heard about the Lion's fight with Angron
Thanks so much!
Is this from the last Arks book?
I enjoyed Angron just launching tanks at Lion lol.
@@bobdrooples😅😅
dqvo
Angron when seeing blood angels and dark angels fall: YES YES YES YES
Angron seeing Lion stepping out of the shadows: NO NO NO NO
Edit: Now i want roboute and lion meeting, and i want it now. Cant wait
Mb im confused, but iirc they already met on macragge
I don't think Angron even minded. Khorne cares not from where the blood flows.
this is a JoJo reference yes ?
@@leonhardable That was before Lion took a nap, but Lion thought he was the only Primarch to live, but he was informed Robot GirlyBoy was alive and said and I quote "I am not alone."
That line may seem simple, but when you wake up from a multi millenia nap and think everyone you knew is dead, only to realize your brother is alive and leading your people in a war for their survival, it's just a whole 'nother meaning. It is one of defiance and determination, it is one of Humanity's Indomitable Will.
@@dannybutts6877i think it's actually that one ksi meme
Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Red Angel. So many Angels, I love it.
They truly are the emperor’s angels
@@TheReaver1234lion is angelus mortis and
There is the Red Angel Angron, the Red Angel Sanguinius, and the Red Angel the fallen son of Baal
@@jasonburke1671 sangy is great angel
@@inquisitorkryptman7893 i meam, his nickname was quite literally the Red Angel. It was a canon point of contention between Angron and Sang (more Angron, Sang didint really care)
I thought the dark angels were cool YEARS ago, and now im glad i was early to the party so i can understand why the lion coming back is such a massive deal
Brother!
Always the best legion brother
Glad I'm not alone 🤘
Brother i've always been a proud son of the Lion and when his return was official...i felt so happy
Im with you fellow sons of the lion! 39 year old man and I was giggling like peter griffin seeing a naked chick with free beer when I heard the first had returned. Now to make this insane we need leman back so he the lion and Gulliman can meet again. The three of them I would say together are unstoppable.
I imagine Lion being like old Geralt, monster slayer all his life. Old and wise and skilled as anything. After the end of the emperor/vesimir he does his absolute best to build bridges and fight back against the end times. Trying to protect his sons from all the monsters out there and doing the big E proud too. Only hes The Lion Not the White Wolf.
Plus hes a being of unsurpassed focus and knows exactly how to plan and defeat his given prey
Omg.
Could THIS be Henry Cavils idea for his 40k series.
Think not, but might be a cool AI vid to generate(henry cavil as 40k Lion)
How big is Angron in this fight with the Lion?
In the second book of Arks of Omen, there is that image of Angron flying in space alongside his fleet and looks massive.
Good question, the Daemon primarchs are known to change their form so he can definitely get much larger
@@SandmanofTerra also they have some mad abilites when it comes to making themselves look huge. iirc sanguinus had some moments when he looked titanic
*can
Just so there's no confusion. Not being pedantic😂
@@jc7997aj sorry, autocorrect for some reason!
I guess they are +- similar size comparrison like their miniatures (if you don't count titans)
Honestly as a dark angel fan... these are the moments we have been waiting ages for and GW so far is not disappointing
Definitely! Also a DA fan. This almost feels like the crazy fan fic or "what if" stuff people used to write. Kind of hard to properly accept that it's really real!
@@SandmanofTerra i agree and i cant wait to see what comes next... because there is a DA chapter that is not only going to have to come to terms with the Risen but likely will see all of the successor's brought back into the fold and the 1st Legion reborn... Guilliman is about to find out why his Codex was a bad move
I would DIE if lore wise they returned to the planet that spawned the original Deathwing story
Thousand suns ... Egypt
Wolves... Norsemen
Dark Angels ... Apache ❤ thats why I fell In love with them ...Two Heads Talking 😢
Bloody Moon, Cloudrunner truly epic.... traded that in for ... SECRETS... and crappy characters ie Mephiston ... Asmodai ... ? or or Azrael ... and until recently Marneus Calgar.... calgar kills azrael ed 4 and they never had an answer for Mephiston even though they released him with the 1st dark angels codex alongside u cant release the vamp and give us Da players... Sapphon with no fucking model
All these year ... im still angry
I think old Big Red gonna have bigger problems with the biggest WHAAAAAAGH!!! to have ever been seen in the Galaxy aimed right at him. Welp!! Good luck with that Angron!!
Fvck that they'll all be in love. By the time it's over Angron will have created the biggest Krork ever seen.
Imagine the orks being i.planted with the butchers nails.
@@jc7997aj Nah cant see it, cause since the word on the street is that Old Red killed Bale eye, Graz aint doing no loving...well not in the way some of us would think. Graz wants to kill em all slow and painful, and if he is luck do it multiple times!!
@@dolomaticus1180 you know it'd be awesome to a Krork and Angeon sumo wrestling in a lake of blood with floating skulls.
@@jc7997aj That is so depraved...I LOVE IT!!!
Big Red is Angron? And who is directing a WHAGH at him?
Angron must have become much stronger than ever since he can only be banished for a few weeks.
PS. For the Lion! For the Emperor!
Thats one of the effects of the aftermath of the fall of Cadia, the warp is buffing a lot of people. The Emperor for example he was able to revive Guilliam after Mortarion killed him with the godblight plague and managed to burn the garden of Nurgle and even hurt him. Khorne through the carnage Angron was doing in the 2nd book of Arks of Omen, the moment he destroyed the beacon that was trying to banish him back in to the warp, Khorne enhanced Angron strike that destroyed the planet where the Inquisition had the beacon. The aftermath of that strike was the murder curse that infected fleet Quartus and almost everyone got infected and turned into mindless berserkers. Only the Grey Knights, Sisters of Silence, Custodes and unlucky imperial assets that found themselves in the middle of one of the most brutal free for all matches were inmune of it, too bad the Imperium declared that fleet lost and everyone "Excomunicate Traitoris" so watch out in the future for those Chaos primaris space marines.
@@warmastereternalofdoom7824 +++
@@warmastereternalofdoom7824 I mean at the end of the last Fabius Bile book Abaddon has an old peer of Fabius' deliver bodies of fallen Primaris. So i'm surprised we're still waiting to see what happens with that.
Angron is a big scary beast, so don’t get me wrong. However, I’m not sure how many times he has to get beaten before we realize he’s not the end all of primarchs in combat. Perturabo, Sang., and Lion have all stomped him pretty badly. That’s just the ones I can think of. Sure, he a huge demon primarch blessed by Khorne, but he’s also an undisciplined nut job. It would be more surprising to me if the Lion didn’t beat him.
Part of that is GW never lets the bad guys win. The other part is the inherent weakness of khorne worshippers not having critical thinking abilities. Or any thinking abilities for that matter.
@@Circaman8 Well they never have any critical thinking skills
It all given to Tzeenszh
@@Circaman8 It's not true. Guilliman lost to Mortarion and Fulgrim. It's not like GW never lets the bad guys win.
@P B guilliman isn't known for his combat prowess and in the end he got to win against them in round 2.
@@sonicsucks20 It's not about bravery. It's about saying that GW never lets the bad guys win. Besides, I also talked about Fulgrim, not only about Mortatrion.
You need G-man's brains and the Lion's muscles
And vulkan huggability
I notice a pattern,
When a Loyalist primarch returns, he inherits a piece of his father's wargear:
Guilliman: emperor's sword.
Johnson: emperor's shield.
The emperor had other wargear, that power claw and a Mastercraft bolter as well as the apollinian spear, which was once the property of valdor, who has gone missing.
If corvus returns, no doubt he will get that claw.
If dorn returns, his Armour will have been reforged which incorporates the fragmented remains of the emperor's or maybe an emperor's powerfist That acts as his prosthetic hand.
But who will inherit the bolter?
Vulcan?
Or Loyalist fulgrim if that is even possible?
And what of a sanguinius and a ferrus manus IF THEY Can come back from the dead?
What about Leman Russ and the Khan ?
Poor Jaghatai
@@bosskaiju4834
Russ was given the dionysian spear but passed it on to one of his sons.
@@bosskaiju4834 Russ gets his codpiece. The Khan gets mentioned in the story and White Scars fans die of shock en masse :P
Ferrus Manus will never return to the "alive" state, since he is the leader of The Legion of the Damned (or is very much hinted at)
The Lion spent his entire youth slaying warp powered beasts with his bare hands. A daemon beast, no matter how powerful, would be nothing to a hunter like the Lion and his armor and weaponry. Angron was nothing more than a slightly more dangerous prey than he was accustomed to stalking.
The war of angels is such a great moment of current lore. I can’t wait to see what happens bext
I'm happy to see other Primarchs return. Its about time we get to take the fight to the enemies of the Emperor.
Hail the emperor
Ave imperator
For the Lion and the Emperor!
Angron: Winning at life as a demon boi, about to murderate Dante.
Dante: Finally....
Lion: WHEN IT COMES CRASHIN DOWN AND IT HURTS INSIDE
With the Lion back, the dark angels are gonna be the ultimate legion again.
Just have this question, its been in the back of my mind for awhile now.
I mean when the Lion was created by the Emperor, is there any lore about him being awake and doing things for the Emperor, like its the Emperor but he was careful in planning everything so... what i really mean is after creating the Lion was he ever tested in the field by the Emperor before others were created, i mean before he was scattered with his brothers.
That might also explain why he immediately bent the knee and knew what he had to do and his place in Emperors plan.
Much as I hate the Smurfs they're the better chapter with their primarch back. But if you want shit done you're still better off with the BAs, SWs, or Sally's.
no but its probably cause lion could just sense the emperor, the first ever "primarch" would be the angel and no not sanguines its just called the angel or the prototype, basically the primarch of the thunder warriors and was ten times as unstable as em as well
Imo the Lion's return was the best possible (Primarchs). Precisely because of his relationship with Guilliman (apart from the fact that he is a great character - especially because of his transformation). Aside from the community's sympathy for a given Primarch, the return of Sanguinius, Russ, Dorn, etc. would not be as exciting as the return of Lion because of his relationship with Guilliman.
PS. The possible return of Russ will be more interesting because of the already working Lion. The possible return of Sangunius (but much less likely if at all) will be more interesting due to the relationship with Lion and Guilliman.
I don't think Sanguinius should come back. Some Primarchs need to stay dead.
Guilliman and The Lion's relationship does make for interesting lore. I don't think there will be much conflict between them however.
The Lion has certainly grown as a character.
Sangy coming back would be a catastrophe in terms of lore
I think Jaghatai Khan could easily be one of the most interesting, and while he might not be as great as Russ, Russ is such a popular fan-favorite that it feels almost unnecessary to bring him back. I like this theme of bringing attention to under-appreciated Legions and Chapters.
Now if only Ferrus could come back, Iron Hands need some serious love.
@@BM-wf9uf True. He'd better stay dead. (rather than somehow being resurrected, etc.)
@@DemigodoftheSea Right.
PS. In the case of Jaghatai, what would attract him is his story related to Mortarion. (one of the threads that would drive it all).
the build up to introducing the Lion El Johnson was pretty epic. love your VO work.
Thanks man!
I NEED a book set right after this when the unforgiven realize the fallen with the Lion and their reaction to the Lion telling them they can no longer hunt them like they have been. I NEED that reaction, especially from the interrogator chaplains
Hopefully the dark angels codex will give a lot of details!
Dante: "Finally, death"
Dante: "Is that the fucking Lion"
Angron is equivalent to "Gothmog who was the First Lord of Balrogs (Fire Demons) during the First Age, of Middle-earth" and "The Lion" Lion El'Jonson is Like The Legendary High Elves Glorfindel or Ecthelion but from Warhammer 40K. But Glorfindel even Ecthelion did not survived The Balrogs or Gandalf. Now the Question is: The Lion of Warhammer is he Glorfindel, Ecthelion or Gandalf of Middle Earth or Another Character what do you think guys?
I love Warhammer 40K !!!
Thank you, Sandman of Terra for all your hard work.
Thanks man!
Though he didn't survive I view the Lion more akin to Fingolfin. When your sons about to die you call out the baddest mofo the other side has to offer and challenge them to one on one combat. I could seriously see the Lion challenging Khorne to a one on one duel in order to save the imperium knowing he could not win.
Recently I pondered a potential game regarding the Fallen.
Imagine if a strategy game started out right when the Lion returned to Caliban, and you take command of a fleet part of Luther's orbital defense consisting of one Battlebarge, an Imperial cruiser armed with boarding torpedoes, and two escorts, and you take over a few thousand Dark Angels with the fleet, and are ordered to engage the Lion's fleet. But, before the fleet can strike at the Lion, the warp storm sweeps all the Fallen through time and space directly into the 41st Millennium. Here, the Fallen are greeted by the horrors of the new reality of the Imperium, slowly uncover the truth about Luther, and are greeted by the game's main antagonistic force in the form of a new Chaos warband that has a few Chaos Fallen among their ranks. The first objective is to have the fleet survive against the Chaos Space Marines and Orks, before the Fallen fleet receives a signal from the Lion himself for all the still loyal Fallen to rejoin him at the ruins of Caliban. Now the new objective is to battle through the Warband to get as many Marines safely to Caliban as possible.
Mechanics would be that you have a very limited amount of resource. You have the fleet you start with, and cannot build new ships. You also have the few space marines at the start, and can recruit more but very slowly. Orks can produce ships and soldiers at will, but Chaos can only recruit men. There are also a few planetary missions. The game is mostly about preserving forces for the most important battles, and choosing fights carefully.
Is this any good?
👏👏
Come on, Henry. Bring the Lion to the big screen
The fact that i already love your voice in your shorts.. i hope you do more of these longer vids! This is amazing. I listen to this story every 2 days or even daily 😄 … the monsterslayer of caliban was her, before a beast that needed slaying!! Yup chills 😄 awesome work
Thanks so much! That honestly means the world
Angron must be the weakest primarch at this point. With how dirty the writers are doing him, it's a matter of time before he gets killed by a random comissar. I wish GW just killed him off for good so that Kharn could take over. At least Kharn is actually cool and wins fights.
I think fulgrim is the weakest mentally... Ironic considering he chase perfection
"Dante would not die today." much to his dismay, lol.
I bet Dante was thinking "Throne, is this what it takes?! I've been wanting to just fucking die for so long. Do it! Doooooo iiiiiiitttttt------ Why is there another primarch over there?"
while I may be a salamander now, part of my heart will always be with the dark angels and to see the lion return stronger then ever is a holy sight.
Awesome video! Loving the lore developments at the minute!
Cheers James, you legend!
So, long story short. A man who is the first from the series of specific human super soldiers, used his weapon which is an indestructible shield to kill an evil red skull guy?
This reminds me of the first Avenger for some reason.
Captain Imperium
An evil red skull guy that came from the same super soldier program, no less.
Lion Long Johnson beating the shit out off Angry Red
Angron's head can catch a break. Implanted by the nails,same nails got removed and the the same head got pummeled.
Return of the Legions!
From which book is this ?
Last Arks of Omen book
Arks of omen Lion is the main one with references to Lion El'Jonson: Lord of the First, ravens flight, angels of Caliban and echoes of eternity
@@SandmanofTerra thank you very much
This has dbz energy in this fight and I'm all about it😮
This was basically Gandalf fighting the Balrog
It's hard to say Angron is a badass when Sanguinius banished Angron to the warp by pulling his hair.
He would have won if he hadn't brought his face closer to Sangunius (enjoying the fact that he impaled him). Then Sanguinius grabbed him by the Butcher Nails connected to his brain. It's not that weak imo.
@@Piotrus2019 You're using a lot of words to say "Sanguinius pulled Angron's hair and he got banished over it."
@@attemptedunkindness3632 I use a lot of words to say that it's more than just hair. Achilles was not weak.
@@Piotrus2019 that's right, finally someone who is not a sanguinius fan boy
@@niccogiova6728 +
Stunning narration mate, the return of the Lion is beyond awesome. The story was incredible.
Cheers mate!
For one brief moment of absolute clarity, Angeron stopped in his rampage as he distinctly heard off in the distance the somber, morose notes to the tune "The Rains of Castemere " and knew without question exactly who was coming, despite the sheer impossibility of it. Ten thousand years had not diminished that one's cold, condescending demeanor. Even the roaring commands of Khorne went silent. This was no longer a matter of the Great Game. This was now very very personal and could only end in one Skull set upon the pinnacle of the Iro....I meant Brass Throne.
I need to ask, where Lion get Emperor's shield?
Guess it was mentioned in recent book but had no opportunity to read it yet
It is indeed, the Lion can enter "mirror Caliban" a special realm that he uses to jump about across planets. It's found there.
Definitely recommend the book!
Just found your channel. OUTSTANDING video and content. You have earned my subscription Ser. It is great to see the Lion of Caliban back. After 10,000 years the loyal sons are returning. Who do you think will be next? Vulkan? The Kagan? Or dare I hope Russ
Just wanna say I love how you narrated this using your voice and music in an amazing blend combined with a paraphrased reading with small extra added on where they fit that keep up the tempo and escalation up toward the climax.
Really well done! 😀
Thanks so much dude!
I’m still really upset that apparently zero words were shared between them it feels to rushed like Guillimans return. Didn’t have to be much but I would’ve loved to see Angron actually hesitate with a slightly surprised “impossible” from him. And from the Lion just something merciless, like “sanguinius felt sorrow for you, regret, a bond of a brotherhood never truly forged. I feel none of these things. You are a monster to be slain, so you shall be.”
Yeah I get what you mean, I think when it comes to gathering storm and arks of omen, because they're not novels, they just don't get that kind of detail as well
I think it makes sense. Angron is more of a rabid dog and it's stated in almost all his scenes that after he starts swinging his axe the butcher's nails go berserk to the point he literally can't think and by the time he fought the lion he had been slaughtering for hours. "All I hear is the pounding and pounding and pounding of the the nails". He only vaguely remembered the lion but his bloodlust stamped all his thoughts.
@@timcusack9388 see I actually disagree I feel like the dark imperium novels focused on so many other characters besides Guilliman. They really should’ve been from just his point of view and then they could use the Dawn of Fire books to talk about other people’s perspectives on him and the galaxy like they are.
@@licensed_beheader I can see that but apart of kinda wishes along with them being Angron back that they’d show that he actually has more control over his rage and isn’t just some mindless berserker anymore which would make him one of the most dangerous enemies the imperium has to face. Would just make his character way more interesting plus I know some people aren’t fans of it but I love the primarch interactions especially after 10,000 years. Alternatively though I would’ve at least liked something from the Lion like some trash talk. Like “look at you you’re a beast.” Not that the Lion would hesitate hes the last one who would but he would had some great lines in the heresy
@@SandmanofTerra that’s understandable and something that really bothers me when GW does especially lately. Seems like they’re putting super interesting and pivotal events in codexes and the like while the novels tell these usually subpar stories. (Talking about books like helbrecht, the new Uriel Ventris book, and the Krieg Novel) just a weird difference from the heresy I guess which throws me off
For the MFkn Lion! I'm holding out hope for him to get young again, like they don't age or rejuvenate when they have purpose, but when war is over they can age and die. I know everybody loves old man Lion, but I hate it. Prime Lion is the shizz, need that beautiful man back!
You know I'm kinda digging the silver fox vibe... I mean he came back and best Angron so he's on pretty good form!
Please someone animate this. For the love of the Emperor
Angry boi angron was having fun till his 1st bro beat the shit out of him and start crying to papa Khorne 😂😅 now his crying boi angron
Also thanks for the vid dude 10/10🤌
ALL GLORY TO THE EMPEROR AND HIS FIRST SON !
The plot was wrote even before the book. Why? just becasue GW just can't kill a mortal primarch but it can kill a deamon primarch 10000 times if needed. The quality of last books it's getting worse. Examples? Guilliman vs Mortarion - Roboute can't be killed just because he has already come back, so the plot was that Mortarion was sucked to the warp by nurgle. In Angron the Red Angel it is said the Angorn himself prepared a great plan how world eaters forces have to attack the Malac system to destroy good boys and choral engine, so I guess he is not just a bloody guy but still a primarch, fallen but a primarch. Now The Lion manage to kill Angron by Emperor's shield (where were Angron's weapons or hands?) just before Angron could kill Dante (in my opinion it is the most stupid thing that good characters never die (and GW use their crippled bodies to promote then to primaris), excluding 10000 years before Sang and Ferrus). Dante is nothing for Angron if it's going to martial arts. I gusee that Fulgrim will be banished be another loyal primarch using another part of emperor's staff? HHAHAHA why? Becasue deamon primarch can be killed 10000 times and if we need him again we simply can make he will return. It was said many times that none space marines can't stand against any primarch. And don't get me wrong but it seems silly when you read another shallow story and you know that bad guy (see Angron Arks of Omen) can only kill rank and file soldiers, didn't die even after breaking through imperial cruiser, got direct hit from antinaval heavy lascannon (the thing built to destroy whole battleships) and the effetc of the choral engine (the thing that is almost second astronomicon) but it can't survive the emperor's shield... WTF. Bad guys are always fu.... good guys go on. I still appreciate you great work!!!
I really like the story of this one as well as the son of the forest. Pls continue the emperors work of spreading the stories
Isn’t interesting/funny that the loyal Primarchs still fill their sons with that same sense of awe and respect while the traitors seem largely dissatisfied and disillusioned with their fathers
The Lion really does have that oldest child energy
That's funny angron using all his strength behind his strikes to the lion only for the lord of the first to just brush them aside like he's a joke! Dude you dont fuck with the lion, he is the one primarch that drew me in to 40k, other than sanguineous. But the Dark Angels are completely mysterious and total enigmas and that's why I like them
They're a brilliant faction! My favourite too
I mean he has literal plot armor, like literally every loyalist character in the setting, or are we just forgetting that Calgar can 1hit a Avatar of Khaine, but it took corrupted Fulgrim an entire battle to beat one.
The lion didn't deflect angrons blows.
The Emperors shield did.
Without it the Lion would have died 100%. Without plot armor the Imperium would have fell ages ago.
Huge Black Library fail:
>Butcher's Nails (BN) couldn't be cured even by Emperor himself.
>Khorne revives Angron every time. WITH BN in him.
>Which assumes that Chaos Gods can produce very complicated tech just from the air (since BN aren't natural part of peoples bodies and they aren't chaos gifts)
>Why the hell won't Chaos Gods spam-supply gene-seed and other things for their CM legions then????
I feel that angron is just a punching bag now for measuring strength, and based on the data sheet angron would have bodied the lion in a single round xD.
But I dunno I feel like it should have taken more to bring him down since he is what he is.
He gets nerfed hard in every story he has to fight a named character
game rules =/= lore
For instance two Leman Russ tanks are worth more points than "ordinary" custodes but in lore even regular space marine is worth faaaar more than two tanks.
I was never a big fan of the Lion before his return. Compared to his Youthful 30k counterpart, this lion felt more seasoned and mature which made me enjoy his stories far more. I was was rooting for the old man to do his very best.
Angron, never beaten in combat before becoming a Daemon Prince; After becoming a daemon prince making him absurdly more powerful gets: beaten everytime. The lore is just a complete joke now, I don't even pay attention to it its so badly written, it just like to laugh at how bad it is now. I mean I'm a SW's fan and I think it was ridiculous that Logan Grimnar took down Magnus. Before that in the battle of the fang it took Bjorn a dreadnought and a whole host of Champions, back when writing was good. Its just as terrible for loyalists, loyalists might cheer at another win, but loyalists winning is just expected now 'oh the Lion beat Angron isn't that incredible.' No not in the slightest.
Angron beating the Lion or Sanguinius in a duel would be retarded. The two best duelist in the history of the setting vs a slave? ye ok
I‘m always a little bit disappointed how Bad Angron performs against his brothers in combat thus even before he become a demon he always was described as a total Monster in one to one fights. He beat Leman Russ (who was even to the lion!! in that one face off) and in the novel Betrayer, Horus and Lorgar agreed, that Angron in his primarch from is the only one besides horus who can match Sanguinius when he got nothing left to loose. So Angron should be a real bad mf especially when ascended to a demon primarch!!!!!! But GW only allows him to slay „weaker“ foes like dante. Thats Not fair 😊☝🏻☝🏻
Isnt the issue now that hes just not as smart as he used to be. blinded by rage, easily fooled an manipulated. Doesnt matter if youre a force of nature if you behave like a simple minded moron.
When I see art of angrons deamon form I only feel sadness and disgust he could have been so much more but so is the story of tragedy
Absolutely epic!
I listened to a reading of the battle between Angron and the Lion by Baldermort and enjoyed the whole thing. What a battle.
Angron: "Good job! You avoided the first tank. But what about the second tank?"
Lion: "What?" *smash*
Does anyone take Angron seriously anymore poor lad just gets his ass handed to him over & over again.Same with the Nids.Considering he is empowered by a chaos god he doesn't have much luck.
The evil big bad guys never win in situations like this.
@@sonicsucks20 good
Yeah he just gets stomped now ... I'm a bit butthurt because I am an Angron fan though haha, but it is what it is
I take pre demon Angron seriously. Demon Angron just doesn't fucking resonate
im so tired of it.
When Dante said "FOR THE LION" Chills down the spine........that was like HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!! Mark out moment. I love moments when marines meet a primarch of another chapter and are inspired by them. Like that would be the logical reaction. "This man is a brother of my Gene father, he is someone I wish to serve and fight side by side with" I don't get why some marines/chapters don't care about primarchs of other legions.
Started wh in Dec, as a dark angel fan, due to loving Sephiroth. 3 months later, boom lion returns!
Great choices!
It's like GW has to apologize to Chaos characters for always losing in lore by making them OP on the table top. The Lion will never lose a duel in the lore but he is by far the weakest primarch on the table. Even Girlyman beats him in the current rules.
Chaos has been winning for 10k years, friend. They just swallowed half the galaxy.
@@N0TYALC And it's taken them 30 years for GW to give them that win. But I wasn't talking Chaos as a whole, I was talking about a Chaos character vs a named Space Marine character. Abbadon lost a sword fight to Eldrad, an elf so old he's mostly crystal now.
What a great listen this was!
You absolute legend, thank you very much!
Wonder how his going to react when a giant WAAGHH warband come rushing in just when he comes back.
That'll be a sight!
I hate how they always have to over power the loyalist primaries and horrible cripple and depower the chaos ones, you never hear of any triumphs or victories of the chaos ones it's only win after win after win by the loyalist ones ...
Dominion of Fire leading into the First War of Armageddon
@@justinokraski3796 That was before GW decided to make Angron a punching bag. He used to be the most respected Chaos Primarch.
I dont play 40 K. but its so epic I cant look away
I’m very excited to see what the lion will do next especially with basically the full dark angels legion back together
Me too!
He and Dante are going to clean house in Nihilus
My PRIMARCH HAS RETURNED FOR THE LION!!!!
So the lion beat angron with plot armor i mean shield.
It should ended in a draw, but GW loves DAs.
1:49 And It’s lion El’Jonson with a steel chair!
I don’t like that deamon angron just kinda loses every fight vs any primarch, there are other ways to get the lion to survive this without beating him
They wanted to pad out the newcomer.
Sang and the Lion are not "any primarch", the two best duelists in the entire setting.
My poor world eaters just cannot get any love in the lore when Kharn isn't leading. I'd love a pro world eaters story arc.
I get and love the symbolic of the fight but like lets be real Lion vs Angron is like an MMA fighter against a Silver back gorilla
Dante when el'johnson pulls up
"NO NO NO NO"
Probably 😂
the most boring primach is back
He is by far the most complex of the primarchs imo. None of the others have anything even close to the character development he has
@@SandmanofTerra Well Guilliman does have development too, and to a great degree. BUT I will hand it to you, what they have written for this Primarch actually has fleshed out his character a lot and now we get to see the conflict with his children, since how are some of them gonna react that he has forgiven the fallen. These next few books are going to be wild!!
@@dolomaticus1180 Totally agree, Guilliman definitely has some character development and I love him for that and many reasons but he just doesn't come close to the lion imo. The Lion's character is completely changed from heresy lion.
Wh- the other primarch lion's fighting whole character has basically been reduced to "F*cking anger" but Lion's the most boring??
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 well i have not read every book the lion is in but as a whole i find the lion and dark angel in general boring with the tendency to keep thing secret for the sake of having secret and mostly fucking over other because of it
great video for someone like me who is relatively new to 40k
Does Azriel wield the Sword of Silence or the Sword of Secrets?
You are completely right, I misspoke. Sorry about that
@@SandmanofTerrano worries. I misspelled Arzael. Azreal? You know who!
I fully believe Guilliman + Lion + Magnus = the big E
Guilliman is the mind
Lion is the body
Magnus is the soul
The lion has always been HIM! Billion year old xenos with apocalyptic powers, easy work, a super strong berserker brother, easy work. A distlliiaton of the god of change, easy work. The chaos version of the red hulk, see above.
Also beat psychic murder batman
For.
The.
LION!!!
Captain Genocide!!!
why not just summon horus back ? or sagrusinuz back ? im sure w40k end and start w50k lmao
I sure hope Angron likes green color, because he's about see even more of it soon.
This brings a smile to my face
Dante is stuck in between crazy uncle, feral uncle and sane uncle. Sangy is proud of you Dante. Don't worry you will over come this.
I got goosebumps while watching👌🏻 killer video my man
Holly shit this was an insta sub for me. Fk this was epic
Thanks man!