It's the little details like that, tape on the wiring, etched glass, pipes actually connected to things, the actual gloss carbon plenums, it's the attention to detail.
some nights, I cant get into sleep. so I start to count polygons number in Forza. that has been such a great treat for my insomnia and for that I can't thank TURN 10 enough.
@@XAV-117 wdym? In Forza u can drift with a LMP car and the grip with slick tires on the rain are infinite, Forza is very arcady, more than GT7. And actually GT7 online is better cause it's mor full of rammers like Forza and the worst Matchmaking ever.
@@XAV-117You're a prime example of the typical delusional Forza fanboy. Watch, Motorsport will die off in the coming months while GT7 will continue to enjoy a much more healthy playerbase. Why? Because it's a much better game that wasn't propped up by lies from the devs... "Rebuilt from the ground up" my fucking ass...
@@XAV-117despídete gt being ps exclusive it has outsold forza 😂 as of 2022 gt has sold over 90million copies and forza Motorsport only 16 million as of 2021 😂
Graphically, Forza Motorsport is just a complete disaster! And as you can see here (great comparison video, by the way), you don't even need to start with the vehicle details inside and out. FM is an absolute disappointment for a next-gen 23 title and the hardware power currently available.
yup and Its weird cause the cars look better in Horizon 5 and thats a much bigger game that runs on 2 generations. FM8 should be able to have better car models. Shame, but hopefully they will improve on the next one.
@@johnsonluk3468 I think that will also be the developers' excuse. Raytracing on track on console at 60fps is not difficult, it's impossible! (see necessary PC hardware/costs) But before this is communicated to players and buyers, MS prefers to deliver a product that offers less than last-gen. Personally, what annoys me the most is that a different product quality was deliberately promised with presentations and trailers. But MS/T10 doesn't need to assume that we players and buyers will continue to believe their bullshit show. After Redfall, Starfield and Forza Motorsport everyone should have understood which direction MS wants and will go. And here we come to the problem, the Game Pass! Lots of games as quickly as possible, the result doesn't matter. The Game Pass itself is a great thing, but not in the way Microsoft uses it and wants it...
No, the car model details are the same during gameplay and photomode, the difference between this modes is Ray Tracing shadows, reflections and better AA.
@@TheStalkerEnd Im sorry but you are mistaken. Cars in photomode also have much higher polycount (geometry). You can see it easily by looking for example at interior modelling from outside camera. In photomode its fully modeled while in gameplay its simplified. Cars are often less round. Its simply lower LOD model
@@JayYang0327 OP is getting it backward. GT7 uses one model for player cars on course, whether during gameplay or replays and photomode. On console, FM has typically used a lower poly model during gameplay and a higher poly car model for photomode. In actuality (assuming this is the PC version of FM23 using "Extreme" car model details) the AI cars are always using a lower poly asset compared to what the player is driving during gameplay. In GT7 that kind of swap never happens. Since GT5 (PS3) LoD 0 uses tessellation to help improve car model detail, but the camera has to be close to use LoD 0 as these assets are very resource intensive. During gameplay the camera is close enough to use LoD 0 for the player car and a few other opponents that are very close. In GT7's photomode only (not replays or gameplay), the game uses LoD 0 for almost all cars much farther away than normal which is why FPS drops below 60 without RT and below 30 with RT in photomode which you can see in this video as the front bumpers are compared and GT7 is struggling with poor FPS. The reason is because all the cars despite being obscured by the car closest to the camera are being rendered at full resolution. In the other comparison shots where the other cars are off screen the rendering load is much lighter, 30FPS is maintained in photomode with RT in GT7. You can move the camera so far from vehicles in GT7 that their wheels disappear in photomode (they are much to small to notice during gameplay and of course if you take a photo these assets are restored so the image looks correct even though they take up just a handful of pixels). FM23 only loads in the player's car model at maximum quality when in photomode (or during gameplag on PC using max settings). On PC using the Ultra or Extreme car quality setting ensures there is minimal to no difference between the in-game and photomode car asset, but that only applies to the player's car. All other opponent cars maximum quality level will still be significantly less than the player cars quality level. On Xbox Series consoles, FM23 likely swaps out the player's high resolution car for an even higher resolution model when photomode is engaged.
@@jcdenton41100 Not broken on Series X, never crashed except in the game, with a car... Only broken on ponies shtty pc with low settings just like they show you Starfield on pony channels on youtube.
Comparison not valid, 2 different models and it seems like the car detail graphics have been lowered in the settings in forza because all the rough edges shown are much smoother and why does GT look so oversaturated? And why does the background in forza look like everything’s 2D? Looks about the same if I run low graphics preset on my PC. GT is beautiful but this is rigged. I’m not saying GT has bad car Models but the newer ones in Forza look just as good or at least are not far away from GT.
Le studio Polyphony ce sont des artistes hors pair qui savent c'est quoi la beauté d'un jeu vidéo, pas comme les amateurismes Turn 10 qui sont pas capable de faire un jeu correcte et soit disant la Xbox séries X la plus puissante des consoles 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Actually they don't. They are too busy either playing the game or not playing because they are not happy with the current state of the game. Only GT fans post incessantly about FM, it lives rent free in their minds, instead of playing GT, the game so many of them worship. 🤷♂
Gran turismo looks better but only has to run on two machines in the world Ps4, ps5, pro. Forza has to run on every different pc in the world. Defintion of optimising
I mean, even if you consider the fact that they're two different models, there are clearly some low-res textures, lack of details, and low-poly stuff going on. The engine, for example, looks terrible. You don't even need to have a second game to compare it to.
@@Mohashm The Irony here is staggering. I mean we have channels now dedicated to propping up GT7, yet the people that enjoy and appreciate FM8 are _"coping and seething"_ hahahaha! GT fans in general are so sensitive and NEED to show superiority it is hilarious...
Forza boosts in game ray tracing, way more detail overall, track, effects, damage, materials, rain effects, cloud simulation, car detail and you say a game with less everything looks better. I can see squares in the gt7 car detail all around, exahusts, car model, bolts etc and they are round on forza. The problem is ok forza has alot more cars but some of them they just re use them and they lack more work thats true, but again gt has alot less cars and they can work more in each car.
Not the same car model Not even the same color And Forza Motorsport looks better. The tires on GT7 look plastic, while on FM look realistic. You're such GT fanboy that you used a GT soundtrack 😆
Hi, if the makers of FM8 put enough care into making their works, I would be happy to become a fan of FM8. In fact, their works are far worse than GT7 in various details. You can check out my comparison video. Honestly, I can't find anything that compares to GT7 except for their overused RTAO, which even performs poorly in many environments.
@@GT7XART I thought Forza clearly has better lighting detail and RT reflections, also you can see the radiator on the front unlike GT7 and there are other details more clear in Forza. There are Pros and cons to both I can see here
"not the same car model" doesn't excuse how shit the model is in forza even if they're not the same color, gt7 displays many details also gt's soundtrack is good, so why do i care?
Is someone going to explain the concept of bullshots to this guy? Neither of these videos represent the actual gameplay graphics which have a lot less detail.
Big respect for using the underappreciated Gran Turismo 1 Japanese soundtrack
I think Forza held up to GT mostly until we got to the engine bay. That aluminum oil cap in GT7 looks almost lifelike.
It's the little details like that, tape on the wiring, etched glass, pipes actually connected to things, the actual gloss carbon plenums, it's the attention to detail.
E também os carros do players vs computador que o GT ganha com larga vantagem.
The carbon fiber mirrors in forza look like someone wrap them with fake film from temu 😂
@@victor86pr74😂😂😂😂 car dimensions off in forza too
some nights, I cant get into sleep. so I start to count polygons number in Forza. that has been such a great treat for my insomnia and for that I can't thank TURN 10 enough.
Thanks, GT7 wins
@@XAV-117 wdym? In Forza u can drift with a LMP car and the grip with slick tires on the rain are infinite, Forza is very arcady, more than GT7.
And actually GT7 online is better cause it's mor full of rammers like Forza and the worst Matchmaking ever.
@@XAV-117You're a prime example of the typical delusional Forza fanboy. Watch, Motorsport will die off in the coming months while GT7 will continue to enjoy a much more healthy playerbase. Why? Because it's a much better game that wasn't propped up by lies from the devs... "Rebuilt from the ground up" my fucking ass...
@@XAV-117forza was downgraded from the original showcase trailers. Everything about GT7 remained intact from the trailers to launch
@@XAV-117despídete gt being ps exclusive it has outsold forza 😂 as of 2022 gt has sold over 90million copies and forza Motorsport only 16 million as of 2021 😂
@@XAV-117forza is arcade and it’s gameplay isn’t as realistic as gt7 as gt7 is more of a sim.😂
Gran Turismo will always be KING!
I grew up loving GT then FM came and I feel in love with their games it sucks to see FMS8 not at their full potential
they really FXX K'd up the engine bay
ゲーム好きの人にとってはフォルツァは良い選択肢かもしれないけど、車好きはグランツーリスモ選んじゃうよなー
Wow, Forza actually held up this time. GT7 wins, but that was a pretty good comparison.
FM8: PC 4K Max with Ray Tracing, PS5: replay RT
@@israelgonzalezabrego3551ray tracing is a useless scam
All engines in Forza look like they were done in 10 minutes in Maya editor.
Gt7 in vr2 is years ahead of forza
Forza fans frothing over Forza.....get back to me when you have VR gameplay and then we'll maybe take you seriously
Good showing from FM8 in this one. I love both franchises, so it pains me when I see how awful FM8 can look.
so much detail in gt7,cler win .
Um what? there were pros and cons to both
@@exoticspeedefy7916the pros in gt7 outweighed the cons
Why nobody do this type of comparison focusing on the track?
フォルツァは実車じゃなくて想像を元にモデリングしてないか？
Pc vs ps5 is crazy
So is Live Gameplay vs Offline Replay
Forza should cut down on the number of cars on track and tidy up the visuals, gt7 is the prettier game for sure
Why doesn't forza have decent shaders?
what we need in gt7 are more visible odo gauges when you are cockpit racing and mirrors
More classic cars. Too many new cars.
Why FM is Evo? isn't there any normal Fxx-k in FM?
Of course GT7 is good though
As a forza player i am pretty jealous of gran turismo but then again we have horizon!
Horizon 😂😂😂😂😂
@nagatoro9718 say whatever you want but horizon is 10 times more fun and better than gran turismo you are missing out
Horizon isn't saying alot tbh
@@nickk6686bruh
Nope@@nickk6686
Some cars on Forza Motorsport sound like diesel vans. All cars on GT7 sound awesome. Shame about GT7’s MTX though.
Stop lying..
@@jcdenton41100 that must mean you are to then?
the details are amazing on gt7 1000 times more than forza
Am I the only one that thinks that Forza's lightning looks... Dull? Or that in some cases makes the cars look like Matchbox/HotWheels toy car?
I remember the times when Forza Motorsport 4 was better than GT5 but this times gone and new Forza is just a fcking joke... GT7 is right now the best
Am I the only one who prefers Forza? I like GT7, don’t get me wrong but it’s so over saturated that I getting diabetes from it through the screen
Graphically, Forza Motorsport is just a complete disaster! And as you can see here (great comparison video, by the way), you don't even need to start with the vehicle details inside and out. FM is an absolute disappointment for a next-gen 23 title and the hardware power currently available.
yup and Its weird cause the cars look better in Horizon 5 and thats a much bigger game that runs on 2 generations. FM8 should be able to have better car models. Shame, but hopefully they will improve on the next one.
The reason is probably because they tried to push ray tracing 60fps in gameplay which is pretty hard on the console.
@@johnsonluk3468 I think that will also be the developers' excuse. Raytracing on track on console at 60fps is not difficult, it's impossible! (see necessary PC hardware/costs) But before this is communicated to players and buyers, MS prefers to deliver a product that offers less than last-gen. Personally, what annoys me the most is that a different product quality was deliberately promised with presentations and trailers. But MS/T10 doesn't need to assume that we players and buyers will continue to believe their bullshit show. After Redfall, Starfield and Forza Motorsport everyone should have understood which direction MS wants and will go. And here we come to the problem, the Game Pass! Lots of games as quickly as possible, the result doesn't matter. The Game Pass itself is a great thing, but not in the way Microsoft uses it and wants it...
I love car games including FM8. I just love GT7 more....
Gt7 spec2 all totally superior wins
Bro can you compare the McClaren MP4/4 that's another cae where GT7 is better
Hi, I don't remember this car in GT7.😅
@@GT7XART
it costs 4-5mil
the car in FM is not that accurate, GT7 seems better in term of modeling and texturing that's crazy
So you telling me FM2023 looks worse than FH5????.....hmmmm........
I think NFS has better designs than Forza.
its super weird bc I think horizon 5 has better designs than the new motorsports game.
Gt7 spec2 total wins
car models are leagues better in gran turismo
You need the compare forza motorsport with gran turismo 6
Thing is....GT7 uses different model in photomode.
During gameplay theres actually downgraded one.
No, the car model details are the same during gameplay and photomode, the difference between this modes is Ray Tracing shadows, reflections and better AA.
@@TheStalkerEnd
Im sorry but you are mistaken.
Cars in photomode also have much higher polycount (geometry).
You can see it easily by looking for example at interior modelling from outside camera. In photomode its fully modeled while in gameplay its simplified. Cars are often less round. Its simply lower LOD model
Then why doesn’t forza do the same thing? Letting players see how terrible their models are?
@@JayYang0327
OP is getting it backward.
GT7 uses one model for player cars on course, whether during gameplay or replays and photomode.
On console, FM has typically used a lower poly model during gameplay and a higher poly car model for photomode. In actuality (assuming this is the PC version of FM23 using "Extreme" car model details) the AI cars are always using a lower poly asset compared to what the player is driving during gameplay. In GT7 that kind of swap never happens.
Since GT5 (PS3) LoD 0 uses tessellation to help improve car model detail, but the camera has to be close to use LoD 0 as these assets are very resource intensive. During gameplay the camera is close enough to use LoD 0 for the player car and a few other opponents that are very close.
In GT7's photomode only (not replays or gameplay), the game uses LoD 0 for almost all cars much farther away than normal which is why FPS drops below 60 without RT and below 30 with RT in photomode which you can see in this video as the front bumpers are compared and GT7 is struggling with poor FPS. The reason is because all the cars despite being obscured by the car closest to the camera are being rendered at full resolution. In the other comparison shots where the other cars are off screen the rendering load is much lighter, 30FPS is maintained in photomode with RT in GT7. You can move the camera so far from vehicles in GT7 that their wheels disappear in photomode (they are much to small to notice during gameplay and of course if you take a photo these assets are restored so the image looks correct even though they take up just a handful of pixels).
FM23 only loads in the player's car model at maximum quality when in photomode (or during gameplag on PC using max settings). On PC using the Ultra or Extreme car quality setting ensures there is minimal to no difference between the in-game and photomode car asset, but that only applies to the player's car. All other opponent cars maximum quality level will still be significantly less than the player cars quality level.
On Xbox Series consoles, FM23 likely swaps out the player's high resolution car for an even higher resolution model when photomode is engaged.
Forza looks much much better... don't you agree guys ????
GT cars all the way now the tracks are a bit of a different story but cars there is no real comparison to be had.
GT7❤
You should if you use the same colors, because the silver does not represent as well as the red with reflections and lighting.
That’s not gonna help for Forza gran Turismo have way better graphics, and more detail
Waaaaawwwwww , very great video man thanks a lot 👍 gran turismo is the KING
Thats how forza renders more cars on the the track ,make the Ai look like rubbish.
GT7, the best of the best!
And forza is even better..
@@dusermiginte4647 you are blind?
@@jcdenton41100 Not broken on Series X, never crashed except in the game, with a car...
Only broken on ponies shtty pc with low settings just like they show you Starfield on pony channels on youtube.
So embarrasing, GT7 is far far away.
just dont show the old car models of forza..LMAO the newer ones are ok.
Built from ground😮
Comparison not valid, 2 different models and it seems like the car detail graphics have been lowered in the settings in forza because all the rough edges shown are much smoother and why does GT look so oversaturated? And why does the background in forza look like everything’s 2D? Looks about the same if I run low graphics preset on my PC. GT is beautiful but this is rigged. I’m not saying GT has bad car Models but the newer ones in Forza look just as good or at least are not far away from GT.
Le studio Polyphony ce sont des artistes hors pair qui savent c'est quoi la beauté d'un jeu vidéo, pas comme les amateurismes Turn 10 qui sont pas capable de faire un jeu correcte et soit disant la Xbox séries X la plus puissante des consoles 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Definitivamente GT7 gráficamente es superior a Forza.
FM- Visuals
GT- Details...
Forza fanboys die inside when seeing this... rofl
Actually they don't. They are too busy either playing the game or not playing because they are not happy with the current state of the game.
Only GT fans post incessantly about FM, it lives rent free in their minds, instead of playing GT, the game so many of them worship. 🤷♂
Built from the ground up 😂😂😂
These are not the same car
Japanese did they homework better, crystal clear :)
2:04 bruh.
Forza looks really good this time around but GT is just levels.
Forza looks so fake. Quite embarrassing to make stuff look so flat after working on the game for almost 6 years.
Gran turismo looks better but only has to run on two machines in the world Ps4, ps5, pro. Forza has to run on every different pc in the world. Defintion of optimising
Comparing 2 different models because GT7 doesn't have the Evo also carbon isn't as dark as it is on GT7 Forza has carbon right 🤣
Or maybe forza doesn’t have realistic models 😂
I mean, even if you consider the fact that they're two different models, there are clearly some low-res textures, lack of details, and low-poly stuff going on. The engine, for example, looks terrible. You don't even need to have a second game to compare it to.
Prime example of coping and seething lol
@@Mohashm The Irony here is staggering. I mean we have channels now dedicated to propping up GT7, yet the people that enjoy and appreciate FM8 are _"coping and seething"_ hahahaha! GT fans in general are so sensitive and NEED to show superiority it is hilarious...
@@davidwooten7212 oh please, show me examples of said YT channels?
GT Just visual.
FM just driving.
You know why you buy driving games.
Forza looks sooo bad FR. I wouldn't play that garbage even for free GTFO 😂😂😂
PC very different insane, xbox series x not good
Forza Motorsport looks real and feels real to drive.
Gt7 looks like a joke...
T'on commentaire est une vaste blague
Va te jeté avec ton Fornaze motoproute 🤣🤣🤣
Jete floffifloff pluddipluij veboa..
💪😃👍
Forza boosts in game ray tracing, way more detail overall, track, effects, damage, materials, rain effects, cloud simulation, car detail and you say a game with less everything looks better.
I can see squares in the gt7 car detail all around, exahusts, car model, bolts etc and they are round on forza.
The problem is ok forza has alot more cars but some of them they just re use them and they lack more work thats true, but again gt has alot less cars and they can work more in each car.
Both games have around 500 cars. GT7 had around 420 at launch. Not a huge difference from 500.
Gt7 looks good... but its a crap racing game..
comme t'on commentaire et digne d'un amateurisme
Of course in some areas GT7 will look better, it’s been out longer and had many more updates…
The car models haven't been getting updated akaik. They looked like this since launce for the most part
Gt car models have always been like that.
surely a newer release should look better?
Carbon fiber looks way better on forza
🤣🤣🤣🤣 le carbone sur Forza c'est une vaste blague ont dirait du carbone bon marché 🤣🤣🤣🤣 ont dirait un adhésif de bas qualité collé sur la voiture.
Not the same car model
Not even the same color
And Forza Motorsport looks better. The tires on GT7 look plastic, while on FM look realistic. You're such GT fanboy that you used a GT soundtrack 😆
Hi, if the makers of FM8 put enough care into making their works, I would be happy to become a fan of FM8. In fact, their works are far worse than GT7 in various details. You can check out my comparison video. Honestly, I can't find anything that compares to GT7 except for their overused RTAO, which even performs poorly in many environments.
In addition, I did use a lot of FM8 producers' speeches as background music. How can you judge whose fan I am based on background music?😄
@@GT7XART Bro capping against the song you used..
He's pitiful man..
@@GT7XART I thought Forza clearly has better lighting detail and RT reflections, also you can see the radiator on the front unlike GT7 and there are other details more clear in Forza. There are Pros and cons to both I can see here
"not the same car model" doesn't excuse how shit the model is in forza
even if they're not the same color, gt7 displays many details
also gt's soundtrack is good, so why do i care?
Is someone going to explain the concept of bullshots to this guy?
Neither of these videos represent the actual gameplay graphics which have a lot less detail.