Two major developments have improved this TV substantially since the time of the review: (1) The "black crush" or "detail crush" associated with the local dimming has been solved through a firmware update. (2) It has been frequently made available for $999, making it hundreds of dollars cheaper than the other sets it is being compared with. To be clear, this was a fantastic, thorough, accurate review at the time it was performed, and I appreciate all your work!!!
Agreed, however, after owning a Tizen TV for about six months now I've only seen ads about twice because I just Do Not allow my TV to connect to the Internet. I do not trust the security of Samsung's software (a very temporary exception being just to retrieve updates, after that I disable all connections). Without a connection the ads just don't show up... So far at least. I certainly agree it's a trend that needs to die nonetheless.
It won't die as long as people keep throwing their money down for it. Why cancel the extra money? It's basically the bloatware of PC's all over again, it won't go away until it poses a security concern.
Got this TV for $999 on sale. Checked out the scenes from Stranger Things and Our Planet and they look nothing like the ones in the review. They were almost identical to the thumbnail version and black crush was very minimal, if any. That was straight out of the box, with Picture set to Dark and HDR Dark. To me, it looks like they patched that issue pretty well. This is a steal for a thousand bucks.
Everyone after watching review: You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them! That you would bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness!
A very good and detailed review of the much hyped TCL 8 Series! I liked that you brought up the agressive and mediocre local dimming impelentation as a caveat - compared to other brands. Tech sheets and numbers don't tell it all when it comes to real world benchmarking and testing, which you've done in a thorough fashion.
VGN VideoGameNinja literally when this tv came out to reviewers, tcl heard the complaints about the local dimming being aggressive. Later that same time period. There was an update that fixed that issue.
Adrian 🤦🏽♂️ no. They fixed the algorithm. And it’s not an OLED so there will be blooming but it won’t be noticeable to the eye. It’s a lot better than the q90t though.
Amazing job as always! Great first effort by Tcl but grey uniformity continue to be an issue which is disappointing and the black crush is also a huge problem. Thank you as always for your hard work ! Great job Ryan!
TCL is known for delivering good value sets at price points that are much lower than the competition so some compromise is to be expected. My son has the TCL 65 inch 615/617 and is very happy with it in spite of the very slight banding and gray uniformity shortcomings (and he watches a lot of sports programming). If corrections can be made to the dimming algorithm, then the Q825 will be a 2020 award winner.
@ Robert Grande - Exactly! The 75” Series 8 was just on sale for 1799.00 and it’s a great tv! People around here are demanding too much. If you need Oled performance just buy an Oled! The Series 8 is close enough for me! It’s also has very dynamic HDR performance!
@@tylerfarley545 Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos. Dolby Vision is to put it simply is an enhanced HDR. Samsung has HDR+. ATMOS is the Dolby Sound that positions sound along with the rest above you. The are much better explanations on RUclips you should check them out. It may not be an issue for you.
@@tylerfarley545 Dolby Vision is an HDR format used by streaming apps and 4K HDR bluray. Samsung doesn't support Dolby Vision, just it's own version called, "HDR10+".
Senor Grav totally recommend it for that price. Audio quality is pretty good for a tv as well. The stand is also really easy to set up and is sturdy. Only negative reviews I see say that the tv is defective but I’m on my 4th tcl and all have been fine. Summed up if a 1000 is your budget it’s the Best Buy available 😉.
Right now this tv has been going for 1000 pretty consistently at Best Buy, half off. Would that be a good enough price point compared to other options?
Had a 75 inch TCL 8 series. Lasted 16 months, then got black screen . Customer service told me no service or repair centers in USA. So, my $ 1,800.00 has gone down the drains. Customer service said the cost to repair it will be more than the price of a new TV. They recommended buying a new TV. I took their good advice and I bought a new Samsung. No more TCL, No more Chinese TV for me.
Price just dropped this week to $1999 on BestBuy. [Oops! That lasted for a DAY! BestBuy price back up to the original $2,999 today! 5/5/20] Black crush might be better than indicated in this review - check out Caleb Denison's review on Digital Trends (see review at 3:40 minutes; Starfield display at 5:30 in the review). Although this is puzzling, because DT's review was submitted in November 2019 and claimed to have the "latest algorithm download" which supposedly improved the local dimming "black crush" performance. I would be surprised if RTINGS.com did not have the same update for this review in December...?
Every review and panel are different no two or three tvs is going to behave exactly the same. Get tired of this idea that there must be something wrong when reviews don’t match the results someone wants.
Just got my TCL Series 8 75”. While there is still a tiny bit of black crush, they seem to have fixed the algorithm by a great deal since this video. I’ve checked against the video sections you highlighted and they are still a touch dark, but VASTLY superior to what you are showing here. Unfortunately I have an issue that’s going to force replacement/repair.
Can confirm as a owner of this tv that the input lag is low input lag now. I played 2k20 online a game that needs low input lag and it’s good. I think there was a update that fixed it but as of now the input lag is good
I wish these dudes become a very big company and go rich. I remember reading it back early 2010s when everybody wanted the great Sony w855b because it has 24ms Input lag and 4000:1 contrast.
Had high hopes for this one. The bad local dimming crushing everything is a deal breaker for the price. Also, at his point, new TVs without HDMI 2.1 are just aggravating. With Xbox Scarlet and PS5 less than a year away, HDMI 2.1 is a feature everyone is going to want, and only LG thought it would be a good idea to implement.
@@BornToBeGoated not all games, but some. Not to mention, having a 120Hz to 40Hz variable refresh rate window will be awesome even if the games don't get past 60.
I found many of the scenes in Stranger Things to be a challenge for TVs and an excellent example of the need for proper black levels and contrast. Some of these scenes have actually caused me to question my current TV's viewing quality and has me on a quest to find better ever since.
I love the RTINGS.com reviews - consistent format, highly technical, professional. However, I STRONGLY DISAGREE with the "black crushing" evaluation for this TCL 8 series TV. I "home calibrated" my 75" 8 series with the blue ray disk from Spears & Munsil for Dark picture and Dark Dolby Vision setting (i.e., I am an amateur TV consumer...who can follow the simple instructions on this calibration disk. No problemo!). The scenes from the beginning of "Our Planet" on Netflix (1. View of earth from the moon, stars in the background are completely visible and 2. Close-up of the earth rotating from daylight to night - again, all of the stars to right and left of the planet are visible AND there is no annoying/marching dimming zones marching along with the edges of night-time Europe as the planet rotates). Similar results that are far superior to what is shown in this review for the scenes from Stranger Things. BTW: I am so grateful when online reviewers use actual, consumer-available scenes to illustrate their performance claims so we can test them out for ourselves! I can only assume that RTINGS.com set the local dimming to High and did nothing to adjust the TV to achieve its best performance. I absolutely LOVE this TV. I picked it up 3 months ago for $1,800 at BestBuy. News Flash: It is now on sale at BBuy for $1,500! My only misgiving is that this TV is not future-proofed with HDMI 2.1 inputs...but I do not have the latest gaming console and don't expect to have one soon. If you can wait just a few more months, the new TCL lineup (and, I suppose, the 2020 lineups from all of the other mfrs!) will be coming out soon. I expect that they will come with the new technology price tags too. If you want a great TV now, I highly recommend picking up this TV - especially at the current bargain price of $1,499 (vs. original MSRP of $2,999). One last footnote, because I did a lot of research (see Digital Trends review of this TV - he LOVED it!): My son just bought the 65" LG OLED C9 and, in my opinion, there is no debate: the true blacks on that OLED do outgun the excellent LED performance of this TV. I just could not shell out the $3,500-4,000 for the 75" version. I am very pleased with this TCL 8 series TV.
Thanks for posting this. I'm looking for a 75" tv now myself. I have been torn on getting the Sony x900h or waiting for the new Vizio P series quantum X. I just saw this TV on sale at Bestbuy for the $1500 that you mentioned. I am really considering this TV now. I do have a question for you as you own it. How is the stand? Is there any wobble? I have young ones and the fear of the TV falling scares the hell out of me. I have my current TV tied to the TV stand it sits on which makes it secure but its only 60".
Given your reply is 8 months after their initial review, I think the more likely scenario is the issues they experienced were patched before you got yours
Was thinking to buy this TV ,but HDMI 2.1 and huge sale on oled LG C9 changed my mind - now im very happy with my C9 -cost me same price $2000 and hdmi 2,1 for ps5 pro ready - So im thinking LG C9 will be with me at least 7 years -i hope . My journey to found perfect and best buy 2020 TV is finally over guys )))
TV is overall Fantastic in my opinion. But as it is in its first generation some issues are expected. Looking forward for This TV tech to get more polished .
Never buy the first model of a tv using new technology. The mini led has a lot of potential, but it's not ready for prime time yet. TCL needs to step up their processing performance, and meet all the expectations of premium products in the space they are competing in. No HDMI 2.1, and a crappy remote control, are a huge problem for a television TCL is pushing as their premium product. This mini led series is still at least a couple of years away from being a serious contender.
I was all ready to trade in my PX Quantum for the TCL 8 Series...then I compared them on your site and changed my mind. Rtings saves the day again, even better that I picked my PXQ up for $899 ;-)
Can you please make one epizode to focus on gaming issues. There seems to be a lot of contradicting reviews when it comes to motion handling etc. Are Samsung QR series and in fact other models really having issues with stuttering? I nearly bought Q70R having red your ratings, but luckily someone raised the motion issue in comments and a lot of people agree that it does terrible job. So can you clarify this and test some TV's focusing on gaming performance?
I have read on AVS Forum where people have calibrated the white balance and removed the black crush.....or so they claim. apparently its not really crushing the blacks. its the viewing angle modification thats doing it. when you go off angle the crush goes away. FOMO discovered this.
FURognar what about the dimming? Do people think it's something that software can fix. Or is it something that won't be fixed until they release gen 2 of this TV, next year?
I've been hoping to find a TV cheaper than the Q80R/Q8FN that satisfies my wishlist features (gaming heavy). So far nothing, sadly. Plus the TCL8 wasn't much cheaper during holiday/Super Bowl sales. Oh well, will just wait for prices to drop or see if Samsung will add in HDMI 2.1 and Dolby Vision/Atmos in next year's models.
I am trying to decide between this, an LG OLED or LG Nanocell on sale at Best Buy. Getting ready for ps5. Any recommendations? Has this TCL model added a 2.1 patch to any HDMI ports? How can this still do 4k 120 htz with only hdmi 2.0? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Trying to get the most bang for buck.
Any idea why all the TCL 65" TV's no longer have Movie Mode? I cannot figure out why this TV is so highly rated, My 65Q825 looks like crap and only has 3 Picture Modes. Normal, Bright and Dark... so strange. Also, the Q80R has the widest viewing angle I've ever seen while the TCL falls apart arount 20 degrees!!!
Considering it just came out, I think maybe wait until a better software implementation is made, or wait until next years 8 series. Reason I say that is because the 6 series is raved about and is much cheaper than comparable sets from other brands such as Sony and Samsung.
@@atiradeon6320 whose making excuses? I didn't buy the damn thing. If you dont like it dont buy it but this is something that appears to be easily fixed in a software update is all I'm saying.
its surprising that the q80r has better local dimming than the quantum x,considering that it only has a quarter of its dimming zones.the 950g unfortunately is blooming machine
Yep I returned the x950g because of blooming. Afraid that OLED wont be bright enough for my living room, and would like hdmi 2.1 and dolby vision on samsung. So guess I'll be waiting another year to see what LCD tvs there are
Hello, I am a subscriber of your channel and watch all your honest reviews when posted including all the ones for the TCL 8 Series Mini-Led which I just picked up the 65 inch from Best Buy. I have come across a curious issue. I steam my television watching almost entirely from my Amazon Fire TV 4K stick. I have two. I have one plugged directly into the HDMI 1 of the 8 Series via HDMI High Speed Cable with Ethernet cable of the HDCP 2.2.2 decoding, and the other directly into my new Sony DH590 receiver with HDCP, 2.2.2 4K pass through and the Receiver to the TCL via ARC. I am an IPTV subscriber and get plenty of 4K content to watch. The issue I am having is with the HDR movies. All the 4K HDR movies are very dull and dark and totally not what I was expecting to see from HDR content which is suppose to be very bright images. The image is the same no matter which Fire TV 4K stick I am streaming from. It;'s the same when watching HDR encoded content on RUclips as well and changing the setting on the TCL makes no difference. However! The movies in 4K that do not say that they are HDR looks amazing like Gemini Man. I have gone over the settings of both the TCL 8 Series TV and the Firestick 4K to make sure all the setting are for 4K HDR output. Have you any suggestions to help me to resolve this issue. The 8 Series has an amazing picture when it's working as expected. But I was not expecting to have a dark, dull, lack of brightness from watching HDR content. I have reached out to TCL already for their help.
S. Dickenson I just got one as well for gaming only. I have yet to try it. Have you tried a Console yet? I’m curious on how hdr looks Xbox or PlayStation.
@@mitchellmaytorena1137 HDR looks absolutely spectacular just from the videos on RUclips. So I pretty sure with Xbox and PlayStation in 4K HDR it's going to look even better since it's not streaming. I enjoy but don;t'play video games. Just make sure you use the right HDMI wire.
Got this TV when it was $1,000 at Best Buy, but my first panel had 5 pixels stuck or dead, and had horrible DSE, with a big black blotch right in the middle of the panel. Returned it hoping for a better one, but was worried already about TCL horror stories of poor quality control. Sure enough, my second panel had 8 dead or stuck pixels. That said, it was a cleaner panel with less DSE. But after returning this TV twice, I wasn't going to risk a third. That said, the panel does better with black crush, but the dark gradient is very, very bad. I don't think the picture processing algorithm is very good. But that dark gradient is so bad, once you see it, you can't unsee it. It's not as smooth as the white gradient. At $1,000 if you're not picky about imperfect panels, I'd get it. But any more than that, I'd pass. It's definitely a first gen product.
I’m sure glad I’m getting the Vizio quantum x for Christmas! I thought maybe the mini led tcl would be better but I’m glad its not! Great review you did on this tcl ! Thanks for making my choice of a new Vizio look even better!! Ryan
Best buy has the vizio p series quantum 65" open box for 549.99 and the tcl 8 series 65" for 599.99. I dont care for the os. Just only the picture quality and brightness
I bought the Vizio P Series Quantum (not the X) from Best Buy during their Black Friday sale for $899. I have no regrets. It's a great picture with excellent colors and superb contrast with almost no blooming.
Took long enough. How is that an "Awesome design"? Your words. This is a very thorough review and well done otherwise. The Vizio crushed it in every category besides nits. (Pardon no pun) When a pro is - Maybe you like Roku or the stand better = RUN
It’s a bs review. I’ve seen hours of reviewed comparing the TCL to Vizio P Quantum X and in my option the TCL seems like it blows it out of the water. Not to mention that black crush has been patched.
@@DJSteezy I have too. Sadly. I have all OLEDS LG C9, CX and Sony A8G. OLEDs should and will take over the market. My other TVs are an Old KURO, a Samsung TOC and a TCL 2018 6 Series with very high NITS. (Short Throw Projectors are all I usually watch for size) I do have on order an LG 86" IPS display TV. My problem with TCL is they are bang for the buck but, cheaply made and varying in quality. (A Chinese telecommunications company isn't who I really trust with anything and add a TV to my houses/Apts.)
I thought they could do something much much better. It seems like the Q80R or Vizio PQ are better TVs. People had a hope they could beat ALL existing LCDs with > 1000 local dimming algorithm is botched on this TV.
Just reminds you that TCL is not Samsung or Sony or LG (hey Jose!). They’re TCL. Chinese budget TVs with good price:feature ratio, but poor implementation and lack of true display engineering prowess, and built to a very budget-oriented cost.
Very well spoken review, but come on..the tv is bad and should be skipped, until it improves. Why won't you guys ever say those words? I've yet to read that, a product isn't worth it on rtings.com, yet have reviewed dozens of bad tvs. Why play devils advocate? People need honesty, not you ruining around the fact that TCL's mini led is a pass. Especially for $2000 US. Either way, it's good or not. Food for thought. - Quantum TV
@Quantum Realm, maybe, but for those that might rely on rtings or want multiple reviews to help with their decision, reviewing instead of ignoring is better. Totally agree the TV is a pass at any price.
Does this TCl TV have the same problem as their others where the audio output is delayed if sending sound to a home theater system over optical cable? Please connect via optical and test. This is a very well know problem with TCL TV's and is thought to be caused by the ROKU software. You can't change the audio delay of the home theater receiver to less than zero to compensate.
No, you can't go below a zero millisecond delay on an AVR. The signal from the TV is late. By the time the audio gets to the AVR the lips have already moved.
@@chrisjoplin3033 ah yes, good point. it would have to be delayed from the video side of the equation. Have you tried pure direct to see if maybe something on the processing side is causing the delay?
I have tried everything short of ARC over HDMI. Problem with ARC is I mostly use the TV for Direct TV so the source is DTV via HDMI so I don't think returning audio to the AVR via HDMI will work. My work around is to output audio from the DTV receiver to the AVR via optical and video to the TV over HDMI. This works fine for satellite but any of the apps from the TV are out of sync. If I had know of this issue with ROKU and TCL I would not have purchased.
This would be a great $1800 75" and $1100 65" tv.. but not at 3k, you would be an early adopter of their new technology that i doubt would have more than 2 firmware patches at this time of the year, 2 months before other manufacturers announce their new models for 2020 which might bring better or more competitive technology, and at the time of year where competitive early year models are heavily discounted. This tv is headed for a huge discount as a compromise on TCL part to feel free to move on to the drawing board next years model. They missed their mark and even if the algorithm was to get fixed in a couple of months id rather wait to see whats available then or catch it at a discounted price! Either way it will be a better deal to hold off on it.
Good choice. I have one and absolutely love it. I think the 2018 model is better than the 2019 tho. It's certainly brighter and doesn't crush blacks as much imo
Exactly. Not worth upgrading your TV until 2.1 becomes standard. Which is only one the C9 and I think the Q90R. My TCL 6 Series will continue to do just fine until next year
Who cares? PS5 won’t need HDMI 2.1 as 2.0 supports up to 4K 60hz. Your not getting greater than 4K 60hz for a PS5 game. You may get 60hz+ for next gen PSVR games but that would be outputted through the headset due the smaller screens built into it.
@@jabsy5094 Then I'd say that is a BIG mistake on the part of Sony if they aren't an HDMI 2.1 device, particularly given their claims of 8k capabilities in the future. Either way if Xbox is HDMI 2.1 and Playstation isn't then I may go XBOX this generation. Future proofing.
Michael Shanks Not really future proofing. Streamed content, games, movies, none of it will support 4k with greater than 60hz as standard format this generation. Probably not on a commercial level for many years. Consoles are replaced every 5-7 years and their hardware becomes somewhat dated pretty quick. More than enough time to upgrade a television (since TVs generally don’t last that long either). The lack of games for Xbox is also not adding to its “future proofing”. By all means, if you feel HDMI 2.1 is relevant enough to not buy a certain console than so be it. It’s very minor in the grand scheme of things though.
@@miashaee 8k and 120FPS is just hype. You arent getting 8k visuals at 120FPS on AAA titles next gen. The ps3 could do 4k....pictures. they say these things to get people hyped. People are now just adopting 4k tvs. I dont even know why they are releasing 8k tvs now. Theres no content available and wont be for a long time.
It pretty much confirms other TCL 8 reviews. This is a budget TV implementation worthy of maybe a $1200 price tag. It has a long way to go improving picture processing before it can earn that $2000 price.
@@shinkimo ya, it sucks though because proper local dimming would make for a way better picture. Like on my q8fn it increases the contrast ratio big time.
@@seanlacroix it can have that effect when done well by more expensive TVs, but it wasn't used before and nobody complained. I still haven't seen it look awesome on any TV (looks a bit unnatural). Just don't think it should be a deal breaker, unless it's comparable in price.
@@shinkimo I complained. Because I've had edge lit TVs that had flashlighting so bad that movies with black bars were unwatchable. Regular full array with local dimming wasn't bad but once you go fald with 480 individual zones you can't go back. And I'm coming from an oled, which has it's own bag of issues.
Worst black crush in HDR I've seen in a long time. Seems like this tech has potential but is absolutely rushed to market here. Appears to need like a 4x faster image processor to get those miniLEDS working on time or something.
@@ghostoftsushima5965 Yes and no. OLED can't do 1,700 Nits peak brightness on highlights, even the 2019 OLEDs only hit half that number (in Rtings calibrated testing, I know other people record higher numbers, but the Q9FN can do more than 1,700 Nits too), and OLED still has ABL issues limiting luminance in bright scenes over a 50% window size. Plus, I still love Game Motion Plus. The theoretical ability to do 4K120hz over HDMI 2.1 is great, we need that, but we're still not going to have compatible output devices for about a year (Unless by some miracle AMD and Nvidia pull their heads out of their A**es and start putting HDMI2.1 on GPUs before the Sony and Microsoft consoles do). I wouldn't use Game Motion Plus on a PC shooter, but on Consoles the extra 10ms input lag over native 60hz content isn't a problem, and if you're playing any games at 30hz it's practically night and day in making a game feel more playable. From a gaming perspective the Q9FN is still the Ultimate Gaming TV. I only have the Q8FN (bought at a steep discount this year), I just wish I had the budget for the Q9FN.
@@budthecyborg4575 LCD cannot be compared to OLED. OLED is overall better for its superior contrast!! QLED is just a fancy LCD that cannot reach 20000 contrast ratio.
@@ghostoftsushima5965 According to Rtings the Q9FN gets 19,000:1 so it's pretty much there. I really wish they would not have made that wide angle filter because the native contrast on the Q70R is about 20% better than the 2018 model year panels. As soon as they make another top grade QLED without the wide angle filter it will beat 20,000:1 contrast.
Two major developments have improved this TV substantially since the time of the review: (1) The "black crush" or "detail crush" associated with the local dimming has been solved through a firmware update. (2) It has been frequently made available for $999, making it hundreds of dollars cheaper than the other sets it is being compared with. To be clear, this was a fantastic, thorough, accurate review at the time it was performed, and I appreciate all your work!!!
Can this to do 4K 60hz?
@@luism8612 Without breaking a sweat.
Ads on the homescreen after paying full price for the tv?! This trend needs to die!
Agreed, however, after owning a Tizen TV for about six months now I've only seen ads about twice because I just Do Not allow my TV to connect to the Internet.
I do not trust the security of Samsung's software (a very temporary exception being just to retrieve updates, after that I disable all connections).
Without a connection the ads just don't show up... So far at least. I certainly agree it's a trend that needs to die nonetheless.
Look into pihole, they work great for blocking ads and stopping spying.
It won't die as long as people keep throwing their money down for it. Why cancel the extra money? It's basically the bloatware of PC's all over again, it won't go away until it poses a security concern.
just like on my kindle smh
That's why for the most part I'll only buy LG or Vizio. I won't buy a Samsung who forces ads on you and potentially sells your data to 3rd parties.
Got this TV for $999 on sale. Checked out the scenes from Stranger Things and Our Planet and they look nothing like the ones in the review. They were almost identical to the thumbnail version and black crush was very minimal, if any. That was straight out of the box, with Picture set to Dark and HDR Dark. To me, it looks like they patched that issue pretty well. This is a steal for a thousand bucks.
Best Buy just put this TV on sale again today. (7/24/20)
they had a firmware update that fixed that, glad to hear it worked
I also got it for that price and it’s a steal imo. Still waiting for mine to come in.
75 inch is $1500 right now on best buy. Just grabbed one. Cant best that price.
Krazyk _25 WOW I just bought the 65inch and now I’m having second thoughts. Lol. Thanks for the comment I might go for the 75”.
Everyone after watching review:
You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them! That you would bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness!
Lmao ive been said this tv wasn't worth the money better off with the 6 series... Me I went with the LG C9...
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Well said, Jose 🤣🤣🤣
No. Not everyone. Where do foolish comments like this come from? Oh wait I know. From parroting of bad attempts at humor.
Yeah, that's what I gathered from Vincent's review. Hyped up, but not really that much better for the price.
A very good and detailed review of the much hyped TCL 8 Series! I liked that you brought up the agressive and mediocre local dimming impelentation as a caveat - compared to other brands. Tech sheets and numbers don't tell it all when it comes to real world benchmarking and testing, which you've done in a thorough fashion.
Luckily TCL fixed the issue with a software update!
@@DYGMacFresh Did they? Can you drop a link?
VGN VideoGameNinja literally when this tv came out to reviewers, tcl heard the complaints about the local dimming being aggressive. Later that same time period. There was an update that fixed that issue.
@@DYGMacFresh So, is there blooming as a result of the update?
Adrian 🤦🏽♂️ no. They fixed the algorithm. And it’s not an OLED so there will be blooming but it won’t be noticeable to the eye. It’s a lot better than the q90t though.
Amazing job as always! Great first effort by Tcl but grey uniformity continue to be an issue which is disappointing and the black crush is also a huge problem. Thank you as always for your hard work ! Great job Ryan!
TCL is known for delivering good value sets at price points that are much lower than the competition so some compromise is to be expected. My son has the TCL 65 inch 615/617 and is very happy with it in spite of the very slight banding and gray uniformity shortcomings (and he watches a lot of sports programming). If corrections can be made to the dimming algorithm, then the Q825 will be a 2020 award winner.
@ Robert Grande - Exactly! The 75” Series 8 was just on sale for 1799.00 and it’s a great tv! People around here are demanding too much. If you need Oled performance just buy an Oled! The Series 8 is close enough for me! It’s also has very dynamic HDR performance!
Good review seems like it is bet to wait for better implementations. If the q90r had dolby i would buy it. So I wait for something better that does.
yeah if Samsung suported DTS and Dolby Vision or maybe add a Kodi app it would have been a nobrainer
If it had hdmi 2.1 i wouldve bought it.
What's Dolby mean I'm about to buy the q90r
@@tylerfarley545 Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos. Dolby Vision is to put it simply is an enhanced HDR. Samsung has HDR+. ATMOS is the Dolby Sound that positions sound along with the rest above you. The are much better explanations on RUclips you should check them out. It may not be an issue for you.
@@tylerfarley545 Dolby Vision is an HDR format used by streaming apps and 4K HDR bluray. Samsung doesn't support Dolby Vision, just it's own version called, "HDR10+".
This tv for a thousand is a absolute steal. For 2000 there’s better TVs but for a 1000 it’s the best you can get.
It’s 1000 right now at Best Buy. I’m soooo tempted to pull the trigger
Senor Grav totally recommend it for that price. Audio quality is pretty good for a tv as well. The stand is also really easy to set up and is sturdy. Only negative reviews I see say that the tv is defective but I’m on my 4th tcl and all have been fine. Summed up if a 1000 is your budget it’s the Best Buy available 😉.
Great review and I completely agree. It’s similar to the conclusion of my review
Tha_villaman i love your honesty man.
Your channel is incredible, be the first one to review the new Nokia TV please.
Best review channel on RUclips!!
Haven't heard any dick jokes like on HDTVtest though
There is also the TCL C815/816 but im not sure whats the difference, it'll be nice to have a review about this one also
Right now this tv has been going for 1000 pretty consistently at Best Buy, half off. Would that be a good enough price point compared to other options?
Just bought the 65inch 8 series for $1000 at Best Buy. Can’t wait for it to arrive!!!
Had a 75 inch TCL 8 series. Lasted 16 months, then got black screen . Customer service told me no service or repair centers in USA. So, my $ 1,800.00 has gone down the drains. Customer service said the cost to repair it will be more than the price of a new TV. They recommended buying a new TV. I took their good advice and I bought a new Samsung. No more TCL, No more Chinese TV for me.
Price just dropped this week to $1999 on BestBuy. [Oops! That lasted for a DAY! BestBuy price back up to the original $2,999 today! 5/5/20] Black crush might be better than indicated in this review - check out Caleb Denison's review on Digital Trends (see review at 3:40 minutes; Starfield display at 5:30 in the review). Although this is puzzling, because DT's review was submitted in November 2019 and claimed to have the "latest algorithm download" which supposedly improved the local dimming "black crush" performance. I would be surprised if RTINGS.com did not have the same update for this review in December...?
Every review and panel are different no two or three tvs is going to behave exactly the same. Get tired of this idea that there must be something wrong when reviews don’t match the results someone wants.
Just got my TCL Series 8 75”. While there is still a tiny bit of black crush, they seem to have fixed the algorithm by a great deal since this video. I’ve checked against the video sections you highlighted and they are still a touch dark, but VASTLY superior to what you are showing here. Unfortunately I have an issue that’s going to force replacement/repair.
TCL should not be making TVs with mediocre input lag like this one. Their main strength was that they make cheap TVs with very low input lag.
Grant I'm assuming the mini led take a lot of Processing power
@ Grant - It works just great with the X Box S! No problems...
King Trance yeah tcl fixed the issue with a software update!
Can confirm as a owner of this tv that the input lag is low input lag now. I played 2k20 online a game that needs low input lag and it’s good. I think there was a update that fixed it but as of now the input lag is good
I’m real happy with mine. Especially for the sale price they had on the 75”.
I wish these dudes become a very big company and go rich. I remember reading it back early 2010s when everybody wanted the great Sony w855b because it has 24ms Input lag and 4000:1 contrast.
Had high hopes for this one. The bad local dimming crushing everything is a deal breaker for the price. Also, at his point, new TVs without HDMI 2.1 are just aggravating. With Xbox Scarlet and PS5 less than a year away, HDMI 2.1 is a feature everyone is going to want, and only LG thought it would be a good idea to implement.
Do you really think next gen consoles will be aiming for 120fps?
@@BornToBeGoated not all games, but some. Not to mention, having a 120Hz to 40Hz variable refresh rate window will be awesome even if the games don't get past 60.
@@BornToBeGoated considering most consoles have a hard enough time doing 30fps.
I found many of the scenes in Stranger Things to be a challenge for TVs and an excellent example of the need for proper black levels and contrast. Some of these scenes have actually caused me to question my current TV's viewing quality and has me on a quest to find better ever since.
I love the RTINGS.com reviews - consistent format, highly technical, professional. However, I STRONGLY DISAGREE with the "black crushing" evaluation for this TCL 8 series TV. I "home calibrated" my 75" 8 series with the blue ray disk from Spears & Munsil for Dark picture and Dark Dolby Vision setting (i.e., I am an amateur TV consumer...who can follow the simple instructions on this calibration disk. No problemo!). The scenes from the beginning of "Our Planet" on Netflix (1. View of earth from the moon, stars in the background are completely visible and 2. Close-up of the earth rotating from daylight to night - again, all of the stars to right and left of the planet are visible AND there is no annoying/marching dimming zones marching along with the edges of night-time Europe as the planet rotates). Similar results that are far superior to what is shown in this review for the scenes from Stranger Things. BTW: I am so grateful when online reviewers use actual, consumer-available scenes to illustrate their performance claims so we can test them out for ourselves!
I can only assume that RTINGS.com set the local dimming to High and did nothing to adjust the TV to achieve its best performance. I absolutely LOVE this TV. I picked it up 3 months ago for $1,800 at BestBuy. News Flash: It is now on sale at BBuy for $1,500! My only misgiving is that this TV is not future-proofed with HDMI 2.1 inputs...but I do not have the latest gaming console and don't expect to have one soon.
If you can wait just a few more months, the new TCL lineup (and, I suppose, the 2020 lineups from all of the other mfrs!) will be coming out soon. I expect that they will come with the new technology price tags too. If you want a great TV now, I highly recommend picking up this TV - especially at the current bargain price of $1,499 (vs. original MSRP of $2,999).
One last footnote, because I did a lot of research (see Digital Trends review of this TV - he LOVED it!): My son just bought the 65" LG OLED C9 and, in my opinion, there is no debate: the true blacks on that OLED do outgun the excellent LED performance of this TV. I just could not shell out the $3,500-4,000 for the 75" version. I am very pleased with this TCL 8 series TV.
Thanks for posting this. I'm looking for a 75" tv now myself. I have been torn on getting the Sony x900h or waiting for the new Vizio P series quantum X. I just saw this TV on sale at Bestbuy for the $1500 that you mentioned. I am really considering this TV now. I do have a question for you as you own it. How is the stand? Is there any wobble? I have young ones and the fear of the TV falling scares the hell out of me. I have my current TV tied to the TV stand it sits on which makes it secure but its only 60".
Given your reply is 8 months after their initial review, I think the more likely scenario is the issues they experienced were patched before you got yours
Just noticed BB.com reduced the TCL series 8 price by $400 USD for both the 65" and 75" size
Was thinking to buy this TV ,but HDMI 2.1 and huge sale on oled LG C9 changed my mind - now im very happy with my C9 -cost me same price $2000 and hdmi 2,1 for ps5 pro ready - So im thinking LG C9 will be with me at least 7 years -i hope . My journey to found perfect and best buy 2020 TV is finally over guys )))
Best Review Channel on YT right now. Always watching your reviews. BTW, do you have review on TCL C815 65 inches? Planning to buy one. Thank you.
Has the Local dimming algorithm been fixed with an update yet?
Yes
TV is overall Fantastic in my opinion.
But as it is in its first generation some issues are expected. Looking forward for This TV tech to get more polished .
For real scene local dimming, the 950G mops the floor with the q70, q900, q90, c9, and TCL 8.
Never buy the first model of a tv using new technology.
The mini led has a lot of potential, but it's not ready for prime time yet. TCL needs to step up their processing performance, and meet all the expectations of premium products in the space they are competing in.
No HDMI 2.1, and a crappy remote control, are a huge problem for a television TCL is pushing as their premium product.
This mini led series is still at least a couple of years away from being a serious contender.
Tcl fixed the issue with a software update!
I was all ready to trade in my PX Quantum for the TCL 8 Series...then I compared them on your site and changed my mind.
Rtings saves the day again, even better that I picked my PXQ up for $899 ;-)
Just waiting for sony to use a miniled panel.. only thing.. it will have a huge price
Can you please make one epizode to focus on gaming issues. There seems to be a lot of contradicting reviews when it comes to motion handling etc. Are Samsung QR series and in fact other models really having issues with stuttering? I nearly bought Q70R having red your ratings, but luckily someone raised the motion issue in comments and a lot of people agree that it does terrible job. So can you clarify this and test some TV's focusing on gaming performance?
The 65 inch in currently on sale at Best Buy for $999. What do you think about that price?
Very very good review by Ryan
When we can see a rewiew for TCL C825? There is no info about c825 at your website too
Excellent review as expected from RTings. Methinks this tv is seriously over priced.
Keep up the quality content guys!
Wow one of the best review channels. Keep up the good work.
Damn! This TV would be a pass for me at $1000. The local dimming and the black crushing is a straight non-starter for me.
I have read on AVS Forum where people have calibrated the white balance and removed the black crush.....or so they claim.
apparently its not really crushing the blacks. its the viewing angle modification thats doing it. when you go off angle the crush goes away. FOMO discovered this.
FURognar what about the dimming? Do people think it's something that software can fix. Or is it something that won't be fixed until they release gen 2 of this TV, next year?
@@csi2448 hard to say. i knos people are hoping for a firmware update that will fix it
well, its actually $1,000 right now at Best Buy for memorial day sale
firmware update fixed a bunch stuff
Great review. You helped me make my choice.
I've been hoping to find a TV cheaper than the Q80R/Q8FN that satisfies my wishlist features (gaming heavy). So far nothing, sadly. Plus the TCL8 wasn't much cheaper during holiday/Super Bowl sales. Oh well, will just wait for prices to drop or see if Samsung will add in HDMI 2.1 and Dolby Vision/Atmos in next year's models.
Best 8 review, IMO, on RUclips.
Very balanced.
TY
I am trying to decide between this, an LG OLED or LG Nanocell on sale at Best Buy. Getting ready for ps5. Any recommendations? Has this TCL model added a 2.1 patch to any HDMI ports? How can this still do 4k 120 htz with only hdmi 2.0? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Trying to get the most bang for buck.
Any idea why all the TCL 65" TV's no longer have Movie Mode? I cannot figure out why this TV is so highly rated, My 65Q825 looks like crap and only has 3 Picture Modes. Normal, Bright and Dark... so strange. Also, the Q80R has the widest viewing angle I've ever seen while the TCL falls apart arount 20 degrees!!!
Will this tv be getting earc for 2020?
Tcl misses the mark and they want $2000 for this TV. Tcl should stick with low end tvs, where picture quality matters less.
Considering it just came out, I think maybe wait until a better software implementation is made, or wait until next years 8 series. Reason I say that is because the 6 series is raved about and is much cheaper than comparable sets from other brands such as Sony and Samsung.
@@atiradeon6320 whose making excuses? I didn't buy the damn thing. If you dont like it dont buy it but this is something that appears to be easily fixed in a software update is all I'm saying.
how about for $1100?
@@ippothedestroyer Too late for me, I recently bought the Sony 55a8f for $1300 and it's fantastic. Love the brand and picture quality of the Sony.
@@kev3226 yeah i like those sony's, I need to wait for next year though.Hdmi 2.1
its surprising that the q80r has better local dimming than the quantum x,considering that it only has a quarter of its dimming zones.the 950g unfortunately is blooming machine
Yep I returned the x950g because of blooming. Afraid that OLED wont be bright enough for my living room, and would like hdmi 2.1 and dolby vision on samsung. So guess I'll be waiting another year to see what LCD tvs there are
Hello, I am a subscriber of your channel and watch all your honest reviews when posted including all the ones for the TCL 8 Series Mini-Led which I just picked up the 65 inch from Best Buy. I have come across a curious issue. I steam my television watching almost entirely from my Amazon Fire TV 4K stick. I have two. I have one plugged directly into the HDMI 1 of the 8 Series via HDMI High Speed Cable with Ethernet cable of the HDCP 2.2.2 decoding, and the other directly into my new Sony DH590 receiver with HDCP, 2.2.2 4K pass through and the Receiver to the TCL via ARC. I am an IPTV subscriber and get plenty of 4K content to watch. The issue I am having is with the HDR movies. All the 4K HDR movies are very dull and dark and totally not what I was expecting to see from HDR content which is suppose to be very bright images. The image is the same no matter which Fire TV 4K stick I am streaming from. It;'s the same when watching HDR encoded content on RUclips as well and changing the setting on the TCL makes no difference. However! The movies in 4K that do not say that they are HDR looks amazing like Gemini Man. I have gone over the settings of both the TCL 8 Series TV and the Firestick 4K to make sure all the setting are for 4K HDR output. Have you any suggestions to help me to resolve this issue. The 8 Series has an amazing picture when it's working as expected. But I was not expecting to have a dark, dull, lack of brightness from watching HDR content. I have reached out to TCL already for their help.
S. Dickenson I just got one as well for gaming only. I have yet to try it. Have you tried a Console yet? I’m curious on how hdr looks Xbox or PlayStation.
@@mitchellmaytorena1137 HDR looks absolutely spectacular just from the videos on RUclips. So I pretty sure with Xbox and PlayStation in 4K HDR it's going to look even better since it's not streaming. I enjoy but don;t'play video games. Just make sure you use the right HDMI wire.
Many thanx. Also, what are the differences between TCL 815 and 825?
Got this TV when it was $1,000 at Best Buy, but my first panel had 5 pixels stuck or dead, and had horrible DSE, with a big black blotch right in the middle of the panel. Returned it hoping for a better one, but was worried already about TCL horror stories of poor quality control. Sure enough, my second panel had 8 dead or stuck pixels. That said, it was a cleaner panel with less DSE. But after returning this TV twice, I wasn't going to risk a third. That said, the panel does better with black crush, but the dark gradient is very, very bad. I don't think the picture processing algorithm is very good. But that dark gradient is so bad, once you see it, you can't unsee it. It's not as smooth as the white gradient. At $1,000 if you're not picky about imperfect panels, I'd get it. But any more than that, I'd pass. It's definitely a first gen product.
The best review thank you!
I’m sure glad I’m getting the Vizio quantum x for Christmas! I thought maybe the mini led tcl would be better but I’m glad its not! Great review you did on this tcl ! Thanks for making my choice of a new Vizio look even better!! Ryan
Can Rtings do a 2021 review of this TV?
Best buy has the vizio p series quantum 65" open box for 549.99 and the tcl 8 series 65" for 599.99. I dont care for the os. Just only the picture quality and brightness
I bought the Vizio P Series Quantum (not the X) from Best Buy during their Black Friday sale for $899. I have no regrets. It's a great picture with excellent colors and superb contrast with almost no blooming.
tcl mini led 825 2021?
Your body and arm movement make me nervous :D
Great test as always though.
Overloaded on caffeine me thinks.
Just ordered 50" P628, should be really big upgrade from 32" samsung with 1366 x 768
resolution :D
Did the update fix the black crush I'm thinking about buying this TV
TCL 8 series 65inch is now $1,599 dollars👍
Its 1000 dollars now at BEST BUY!!
Took long enough. How is that an "Awesome design"? Your words. This is a very thorough review and well done otherwise. The Vizio crushed it in every category besides nits. (Pardon no pun) When a pro is - Maybe you like Roku or the stand better = RUN
It’s a bs review. I’ve seen hours of reviewed comparing the TCL to Vizio P Quantum X and in my option the TCL seems like it blows it out of the water. Not to mention that black crush has been patched.
@@DJSteezy I have too. Sadly. I have all OLEDS LG C9, CX and Sony A8G. OLEDs should and will take over the market. My other TVs are an Old KURO, a Samsung TOC and a TCL 2018 6 Series with very high NITS. (Short Throw Projectors are all I usually watch for size) I do have on order an LG 86" IPS display TV. My problem with TCL is they are bang for the buck but, cheaply made and varying in quality. (A Chinese telecommunications company isn't who I really trust with anything and add a TV to my houses/Apts.)
they missed the mark because they was aiming at taking on the higher end tvs like the 90r
They admit to turning off processing so it's not fair to judge the 950g to this TV bc the Sony lives off of it's processing
I thought they could do something much much better. It seems like the Q80R or Vizio PQ are better TVs. People had a hope they could beat ALL existing LCDs with > 1000 local dimming algorithm is botched on this TV.
So not worth the current price.. Dissapointing:/
Didn’t they patch the local dimming issue?
TCL C825 please!
I NEED ME HDR & Low Input Lag--I'm disappointed but not upset. "Get em next time Tiger-CL!"
Just reminds you that TCL is not Samsung or Sony or LG (hey Jose!). They’re TCL. Chinese budget TVs with good price:feature ratio, but poor implementation and lack of true display engineering prowess, and built to a very budget-oriented cost.
Pay $2000 for 65" TV.
Get Roku remote. 😑
@@SlimeSquare That is what i hate.A expensive tv but a cheap remote.The same remote from $200 tvs.
I cant find any review on tcl 8pm . can someone tell me where to find it please?
Samsung is doing the same thing with regards to local dimming. It’s way too aggressive and crushes many details, like stars ✨ for example.
Is it available in Canada or do I have to buy it in the states.
My best has the 65 inch 8 series open box for 749.99, is it worth it? Or should I get the hisense h8g brand new?
A new one is 1000 dollars now at Best Buy, saving 1000 bucks.
@@knuckles1006 I can get it for 549.99 now
Very well spoken review, but come on..the tv is bad and should be skipped, until it improves. Why won't you guys ever say those words? I've yet to read that, a product isn't worth it on rtings.com, yet have reviewed dozens of bad tvs.
Why play devils advocate? People need honesty, not you ruining around the fact that TCL's mini led is a pass. Especially for $2000 US. Either way, it's good or not.
Food for thought.
- Quantum TV
So first quantum apotheosis, then quantum tv and now its quantum realm. What's next quantum nigga??🤣🤣🤣
@Quantum Realm, maybe, but for those that might rely on rtings or want multiple reviews to help with their decision, reviewing instead of ignoring is better. Totally agree the TV is a pass at any price.
I just got this, the tv dims then brightens , did i get a bad tv?
Does this TCl TV have the same problem as their others where the audio output is delayed if sending sound to a home theater system over optical cable? Please connect via optical and test. This is a very well know problem with TCL TV's and is thought to be caused by the ROKU software. You can't change the audio delay of the home theater receiver to less than zero to compensate.
dont you just use the audio delay function in your AVR to adjust the lip sync?
No, you can't go below a zero millisecond delay on an AVR. The signal from the TV is late. By the time the audio gets to the AVR the lips have already moved.
@@chrisjoplin3033 ah yes, good point. it would have to be delayed from the video side of the equation.
Have you tried pure direct to see if maybe something on the processing side is causing the delay?
I have tried everything short of ARC over HDMI. Problem with ARC is I mostly use the TV for Direct TV so the source is DTV via HDMI so I don't think returning audio to the AVR via HDMI will work. My work around is to output audio from the DTV receiver to the AVR via optical and video to the TV over HDMI. This works fine for satellite but any of the apps from the TV are out of sync. If I had know of this issue with ROKU and TCL I would not have purchased.
Good review. Oled is still unbeatable
hi I want tcl 55c825 test thanks
This would be a great $1800 75" and $1100 65" tv.. but not at 3k, you would be an early adopter of their new technology that i doubt would have more than 2 firmware patches at this time of the year, 2 months before other manufacturers announce their new models for 2020 which might bring better or more competitive technology, and at the time of year where competitive early year models are heavily discounted. This tv is headed for a huge discount as a compromise on TCL part to feel free to move on to the drawing board next years model. They missed their mark and even if the algorithm was to get fixed in a couple of months id rather wait to see whats available then or catch it at a discounted price! Either way it will be a better deal to hold off on it.
You can get the 65" for $1,000 right now from Best Buy with code, CNET600.
Is it available in Canada
TCL COPY THE SAMSUNG NU8000 TV Stand AND Style why ?
I love roku tv
What do I do with my hands
Common guys review Panasonic OLED TVs and the hcx processor plus my home screen 4.0 please..
There's nothing common about these guys!
can you do the P8S series? doesnt seem to be much online but its sold everywhere in australia and asia
It's not sold in North America, so we're not able to buy one
@@RTINGSdotcom ahhh ok
no worries
I’ll get the 6-series.
Good choice. I have one and absolutely love it. I think the 2018 model is better than the 2019 tho. It's certainly brighter and doesn't crush blacks as much imo
The White Wolf Thanks for the info. I was thinking of the 2019 model since it’s newer. So the 2019 model crushes blacks more?
@@jakedizzle I am very happy with my 2019 model
This tv lost me at no HDMI 2.1, when the ps5 comes out that might be a problem.
Exactly. Not worth upgrading your TV until 2.1 becomes standard. Which is only one the C9 and I think the Q90R. My TCL 6 Series will continue to do just fine until next year
Who cares? PS5 won’t need HDMI 2.1 as 2.0 supports up to 4K 60hz. Your not getting greater than 4K 60hz for a PS5 game. You may get 60hz+ for next gen PSVR games but that would be outputted through the headset due the smaller screens built into it.
@@jabsy5094 Then I'd say that is a BIG mistake on the part of Sony if they aren't an HDMI 2.1 device, particularly given their claims of 8k capabilities in the future. Either way if Xbox is HDMI 2.1 and Playstation isn't then I may go XBOX this generation. Future proofing.
Michael Shanks Not really future proofing. Streamed content, games, movies, none of it will support 4k with greater than 60hz as standard format this generation. Probably not on a commercial level for many years. Consoles are replaced every 5-7 years and their hardware becomes somewhat dated pretty quick. More than enough time to upgrade a television (since TVs generally don’t last that long either). The lack of games for Xbox is also not adding to its “future proofing”. By all means, if you feel HDMI 2.1 is relevant enough to not buy a certain console than so be it. It’s very minor in the grand scheme of things though.
@@miashaee 8k and 120FPS is just hype. You arent getting 8k visuals at 120FPS on AAA titles next gen. The ps3 could do 4k....pictures. they say these things to get people hyped. People are now just adopting 4k tvs. I dont even know why they are releasing 8k tvs now. Theres no content available and wont be for a long time.
It pretty much confirms other TCL 8 reviews. This is a budget TV implementation worthy of maybe a $1200 price tag. It has a long way to go improving picture processing before it can earn that $2000 price.
Hi I was wondering is there a noticeable difference between a 77” and an 82” tv when mounted on a wall?
Berren will it be very noticeable or just a little?
Berren I ask because I have an 82” Q80 but was thinking of going to the LG C9. But I’m wondering if the 77” will look a lot smaller
It's only 5 inches so it's not really a noticeable difference. If going with the 77" saves a few hundred bucks then that's what I'd do for sure
The 65 LG B9 oled with full hdmi 2.1 is less than $2000. As someone that doesn’t have cable, it’s hard to see a reason to choose this over that.
Damn, if they could fix that algorithm for the local dimming that would be a great tv I think.
Turn off local dimming, just like you would sharpening and smoothing. Calibrate colors, etc and looks way better.
@@shinkimo ya, it sucks though because proper local dimming would make for a way better picture. Like on my q8fn it increases the contrast ratio big time.
@@seanlacroix it can have that effect when done well by more expensive TVs, but it wasn't used before and nobody complained. I still haven't seen it look awesome on any TV (looks a bit unnatural). Just don't think it should be a deal breaker, unless it's comparable in price.
@@shinkimo I complained. Because I've had edge lit TVs that had flashlighting so bad that movies with black bars were unwatchable. Regular full array with local dimming wasn't bad but once you go fald with 480 individual zones you can't go back. And I'm coming from an oled, which has it's own bag of issues.
@@seanlacroix I hear you. Nothing worse than the glow effect. But as you say, once you get used to something, you can't really go back.
So when are you going to stop changing the contrast display with other tvs. The comparison models always look worse than the tv you are reviewing.
Worst black crush in HDR I've seen in a long time. Seems like this tech has potential but is absolutely rushed to market here. Appears to need like a 4x faster image processor to get those miniLEDS working on time or something.
Too expensive for 65 and 75. A few hundred away from OLED on both models.
Samsung Q9FN is still the best LCD TV on the market.
True . But cannot be compared to an OLED.. but the Q9FN is truly a beautiful TV.
@@ghostoftsushima5965 Yes and no. OLED can't do 1,700 Nits peak brightness on highlights, even the 2019 OLEDs only hit half that number (in Rtings calibrated testing, I know other people record higher numbers, but the Q9FN can do more than 1,700 Nits too), and OLED still has ABL issues limiting luminance in bright scenes over a 50% window size.
Plus, I still love Game Motion Plus. The theoretical ability to do 4K120hz over HDMI 2.1 is great, we need that, but we're still not going to have compatible output devices for about a year (Unless by some miracle AMD and Nvidia pull their heads out of their A**es and start putting HDMI2.1 on GPUs before the Sony and Microsoft consoles do).
I wouldn't use Game Motion Plus on a PC shooter, but on Consoles the extra 10ms input lag over native 60hz content isn't a problem, and if you're playing any games at 30hz it's practically night and day in making a game feel more playable.
From a gaming perspective the Q9FN is still the Ultimate Gaming TV.
I only have the Q8FN (bought at a steep discount this year), I just wish I had the budget for the Q9FN.
@@budthecyborg4575 LCD cannot be compared to OLED. OLED is overall better for its superior contrast!! QLED is just a fancy LCD that cannot reach 20000 contrast ratio.
@@ghostoftsushima5965 According to Rtings the Q9FN gets 19,000:1 so it's pretty much there.
I really wish they would not have made that wide angle filter because the native contrast on the Q70R is about 20% better than the 2018 model year panels. As soon as they make another top grade QLED without the wide angle filter it will beat 20,000:1 contrast.
@@budthecyborg4575 nah samsung will ditch QLED for OLED. Its all over the internet.
still chasing OLED..., looks pretty good though
Is there a panel lottery? I’m thinking of getting
Of course, every TV has a panel lottery, and every TV will have some degree of DSE :)
Good to know I'm safe with my quantum x.
Why does every speaker on this channel have bouncy hands?
It's because they're full of shite and their nervous about all the lies they're spewing.
So let me guess, OLED is still the best🤣🤣
So is there really reason to spam these channels other than your secretly shilling for LG?
@@dantasticmania8728 none of your goddamn business
While it lasts, yes it is.
@@9blunted can you explain why it wouldn't last?
OLED is obviously the real revolution in home TVs since CRT to LCD