Hi guys, I'm glad your enjoying the video. If I'm honest, I'm not in a position to agree or disagree with you as I have not flown for over 2 years sadly so my knowledge isn't what it used to be! The purpose of this flight lesson was to spin the aircraft purposely to learn how to recover efficiently. We did a few spins that day and this is a clip from just one of them. As far as the radio I don't remember what we were tuned to. We flew out of St. Cloud Regional which is class Delta and would usually stick with tower until out far enough from the airspace then switch to a CTAF. As far as altitude, if I recall we climbed to about 6,500ft and lost a couple thousand feet in the spin and recovery. I do remember having to force the spin by being very rough on the controls, but was doing what the instructor had demonstrated. Wether that's right or wrong I don't know, but the aircraft did enter a spin! Sorry I can't be more helpful!
Love the video! Can I use it in one of my upcoming RUclips videos? I would of course credit you in the video and the description. Thank you and have a great day!
Great video! Would you be okay with me featuring this spin training in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description. Thanks!
Hi, when you start to spin (left spin) then apart from pushing the rudder right you also have to turn the yoke right? Or this is not necessary? I know you are pushing the yoke forward and pressure off but what about the yoke to the right? You did it so I assume it is correct. I will be doing some spins tomorrow so I am little bit afraid :)
A spin is a stall aggravated by yaw. During the stall it is yaw which initiates a wing drop, hence the need for a forceful and aggressive deflection of rudder one side or the other. The aileron deflection you see in the video is likely the characteristics of slow flight approaching a stall which is usually mushy inputs with very slow response. Do whatever you want to the wings, it's the rudder during a stall that induces the incipient phase of the spin. You actually have to continue to hold the rudder deflected otherwise the plane will start to recover on its own. At least in a cessna. Might be different in a Tomahawk... ;)
I was a student pilot at the time. I had requested spin training (although not required for PPL) to improve my skills and spin awareness/recovery. If you re-watch the video, I am not using aileron to recover, I merely have a death grip with the left hand, causing it to rise on that side.
Well maybe mention all of the incorrect techniques. So those that don't know learn. And you were inputting aileron in both directions. And the instructor failed to correct that.
That's not a spin man... :( A spin develops when the airplane STALLS, then there is a tiny difference in the velocity of airflow between one wing and the other (often due to slight uncoordination) and one wing stalls more than the other and drops. In your video the airplane did not stall, and you forced it into a hard left using ailerons (with the yoke) at around 45-50Kias. Remember that a spin is something that occurs inadvertently, and usually during low airspeed maneuvers, which are typically close to the ground. It follows that a pilot would never** force the plane on a spin close to the ground, and the purpose of spin training is to learn to recover from such an inadvertent event quickly, and with minimum loss of altitude. My recommendation is that you should practice your spins by fully stalling the airplane and allowing the spin to develop on its own! then immediately attempt your recovery. Your stall horn should be going off FULLY and you should not have to touch the yoke for the spin to develop. Then recover. Best of luck in your future training and thanks for sharing the video
I would have to disagree. This is most definitely a spin because of the high degree of autorotation present at a low airspeed. You can clearly see both a roll and a yaw which is characteristic of an incipient and developed spin. While some aileron was definitely applied, at the airspeed which the spin was entered the amount of aileron seen being applied would not be effective enough to create the aggressive roll and yaw which followed. A spin can occur due to deliberate or inadvertent actions - what we can't see is the large amount of rudder that would have most likely been applied to get the aircraft to spin the way it did.
Alexander McAllister Alexander McAllister I somewhat agree with you. Although the plane was forced to roll and yaw, these deliberate control inputs put the plane in an incipient spin that likely developed into a full rotation spin. I agree with that. I guess what I tried to state originally was that the plane didn't enter a spin inadvertently, but rather it was rolled into one. There is another vid somewhere in which a plane suddenly spins on a student pilot and it's awesome to watch. Thanks for your input.
Hi guys, I'm glad your enjoying the video. If I'm honest, I'm not in a position to agree or disagree with you as I have not flown for over 2 years sadly so my knowledge isn't what it used to be!
The purpose of this flight lesson was to spin the aircraft purposely to learn how to recover efficiently. We did a few spins that day and this is a clip from just one of them.
As far as the radio I don't remember what we were tuned to. We flew out of St. Cloud Regional which is class Delta and would usually stick with tower until out far enough from the airspace then switch to a CTAF.
As far as altitude, if I recall we climbed to about 6,500ft and lost a couple thousand feet in the spin and recovery. I do remember having to force the spin by being very rough on the controls, but was doing what the instructor had demonstrated. Wether that's right or wrong I don't know, but the aircraft did enter a spin!
Sorry I can't be more helpful!
That spin was made out of less than a safe altitude?
Love the video! Can I use it in one of my upcoming RUclips videos? I would of course credit you in the video and the description. Thank you and have a great day!
Great video! Would you be okay with me featuring this spin training in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description. Thanks!
Yes of course!
I actually watch your videos!
@@TheAnxiousPilot Appreciate it, thanks!
I was terrified just watching this.
What date and month did you film, what's the name of the location and what's your orginal departure to your final destination?
Hi,
when you start to spin (left spin) then apart from pushing the rudder right you also have to turn the yoke right? Or this is not necessary? I know you are pushing the yoke forward and pressure off but what about the yoke to the right? You did it so I assume it is correct. I will be doing some spins tomorrow so I am little bit afraid :)
A spin is a stall aggravated by yaw. During the stall it is yaw which initiates a wing drop, hence the need for a forceful and aggressive deflection of rudder one side or the other. The aileron deflection you see in the video is likely the characteristics of slow flight approaching a stall which is usually mushy inputs with very slow response. Do whatever you want to the wings, it's the rudder during a stall that induces the incipient phase of the spin. You actually have to continue to hold the rudder deflected otherwise the plane will start to recover on its own. At least in a cessna. Might be different in a Tomahawk... ;)
+Jordanzo I agree. the plane was not stalled during the initiation of this spin and he seemed to force the roll to the left with aileron.
No, no, no. Ailerons in a stall make you spin. Ailerons neutral, stop the spin with rudder.
Nice job! I remember when I did my first spin...I needed to change my shorts. LMAO
Just an observation, Loosen up on your grip.
Yes, death grip! Great tip thanks!
When you enter the spin your basically up-side down!
Yeah no shit your upside down
Ailerons neutral?
Yes with forward stick until airspeed starts to increase
Don't turn the yoke!!! Keep it centered..
Yep
Why are you inputting aileron? Use the rudder only to stop the spin. Then recover from the dive. Read the POH
I was a student pilot at the time. I had requested spin training (although not required for PPL) to improve my skills and spin awareness/recovery.
If you re-watch the video, I am not using aileron to recover, I merely have a death grip with the left hand, causing it to rise on that side.
Well maybe mention all of the incorrect techniques. So those that don't know learn. And you were inputting aileron in both directions. And the instructor failed to correct that.
The spinner make mistake 😮
That's not a spin man... :(
A spin develops when the airplane STALLS, then there is a tiny difference in the velocity of airflow between one wing and the other (often due to slight uncoordination) and one wing stalls more than the other and drops. In your video the airplane did not stall, and you forced it into a hard left using ailerons (with the yoke) at around 45-50Kias. Remember that a spin is something that occurs inadvertently, and usually during low airspeed maneuvers, which are typically close to the ground. It follows that a pilot would never** force the plane on a spin close to the ground, and the purpose of spin training is to learn to recover from such an inadvertent event quickly, and with minimum loss of altitude. My recommendation is that you should practice your spins by fully stalling the airplane and allowing the spin to develop on its own! then immediately attempt your recovery. Your stall horn should be going off FULLY and you should not have to touch the yoke for the spin to develop. Then recover. Best of luck in your future training and thanks for sharing the video
I would have to disagree. This is most definitely a spin because of the high degree of autorotation present at a low airspeed. You can clearly see both a roll and a yaw which is characteristic of an incipient and developed spin. While some aileron was definitely applied, at the airspeed which the spin was entered the amount of aileron seen being applied would not be effective enough to create the aggressive roll and yaw which followed. A spin can occur due to deliberate or inadvertent actions - what we can't see is the large amount of rudder that would have most likely been applied to get the aircraft to spin the way it did.
Alexander McAllister
Alexander McAllister I somewhat agree with you. Although the plane was forced to roll and yaw, these deliberate control inputs put the plane in an incipient spin that likely developed into a full rotation spin. I agree with that. I guess what I tried to state originally was that the plane didn't enter a spin inadvertently, but rather it was rolled into one. There is another vid somewhere in which a plane suddenly spins on a student pilot and it's awesome to watch. Thanks for your input.
That is absolutely a spin, he had to really force it to happen because it is a C172 which is inherently stable.
Cessna are good planes, but they spin easily.
ummmmmmmmmm absolutely incorrect.
@@Dan007UT Ummm, yes they do..🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
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