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Prepare for my response video, woke sjw lesbian feminist destroys the family with nuanced analysis of Barbenhiemer.... Oh God, that is gonna do terrible. U destroyed Disney right? I think, um yeah. Ur take... ACTUALLY destroys woke Disney. yes. yes. that's it. Just gonna delete some vids and re-upload new screenshots.
Lord Strange, I posted a comment about the lifesize cardboard cutout of R J Oppenheimer/tiny Barbie paper cutout that I witnessed at the Oak Ridge Nuclear Science Museum earlier, and apparently RUclips automatically deletes comments that contain links or something? I created an imgur account and uploaded the photo bc people wanted to see, and now RUclips is gaslighting me into thinking my original comment never existed 😭 What do I do
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Barbenheimer gives the same vibes as Animal Crossing and Doom Eternal supporting each other in 2020 and I love it
Omg yea, That's one of the first things that came to my mind aswell
Glad to know that other people thought the same!
(edited because I made a typo where I put a question mark instead of an exclamation mark)
Yeah, I made the comparison in my mind almost immediately
I've been saying this!
Oh absolutely!
He was a Barbie boy.
She was an Oppenheimer girl.
Could I make it any more obvious?
She's queen of the prom,
And he made a bomb,
What more can I say?
who's tryna be the oppenheimer girl to my barbie boy
He wanted her
And she'd never tell
Secretly she wanted him as well
But all of his friends
Lost their debate bro shit
Cos she was pink n Gerwig directed it
Bold of anyone to assume either of them is attracted to the opposite gender
@@jpgextinction best one yet
My favorite part of Barbie was definitely the depressed barbie commercial. They did a great job satirizing everything in it, the sweatpants, the faces the Barbies were making, the little playsets, it was perfect.
i would def buy a depression barbie😭
My favorite part was definitely the narrator. “A note to the film makers: Margot Robbie is not the person to cast if you want to make this point.”
Depression barbie was so relatable for me it was a bit harrowing lmao
anxiety and ocd sold separately 😭😭
the 1995 pride and prejudice bit hit a little too close to home
I liked how Barbie threaded the needle between making fun of the surfice level pseudo-feminist critiques of the doll as a foot soldier of the patriatchy... while also calling out Mattel and barbie fans for patting themselves on the back about how "empowered" barbie is and how shes solved all of womens problems by existing
This right here!! The movie is an amazing satire and nobody comes out of it without being critiqued and I love that! It’s so camp and fun and deliberately over the top and I had a blast
it also called out the trend of people claiming a _doll_ ruined feminism, that barbie existing is the reason young women have body image issues. (I would say that, at most, barbie is a representation of _women_ and therefore represents the negative things women experience, but not that she is a catalyst for any of them)
I mean when barbie was invented women couldn't even own credit cards. So a doll of s fictional single woman with a job and afforded her own house and car was huge back then.
I’m still baffled when people honestly think it’s supposed to be this deep, progressive movie about smashing the patriarchy, meanwhile Ruth straight out says “The patriarchy is made up.” I got big wink-wink, nudge-nudge vibes from the film’s feminist bits. I felt like the message of the movie was supposed to be “Barbie is a doll. Do with that what you will. She’s not going anywhere.”
It's just such a surprisingly multifaceted film. It's not like, soviet arthouse cinema but there is some depth to it I wasn't expecting.
Barbie is certainly a feature length advertisement, but if you ignore that, Greta Gerwig did fantastic. Mattel being an antagonistic force with no real resolution was my main gripe with the actual product itself, and I think that's largely bc Gerwig couldn't just... disparage Mattel in its own movie. She did what she could to show that Mattel doesn't care about feminism, just profits, while still trying to tell a story about how imperfection is not a flaw, but a requirement of the human condition.
Agreed, I was actually quite surprised at how many digs at Mattel she was able to get into the movie. It read as less of the movie critiquing Mattel but at least being self-aware (which for a big IP mining project is a shocking first step)
Well said. The idea that men and women are enough the way they are was fantastic.
@@emilymacdougall184the entire narrative of the fully male executive team trying to LITERALLY put Barbie into a box to subdue her power was just so on brand. Also the fact that at the end, when the Executive Assistant suggests “Ordinary Barbie” and the CEO initially hates it until one of his underlings says “that will absolutely make a lot of money” and then he’s fully on board?
I loved it, and the critique of the company overall was in my opinion done very well. There’s even a line at the beginning about how corporations cannot and should not be able to express the same individual rights as real people, which is a point that felt extremely mature and complex given how much of a one-off line it was. It’s just a fascinating movie overall.
I was very confused by the CEO’s motivations. But I guess he just genuinely cared about the dreams and innocence of little girls, and would protect that no matter what. That rang very hollow from a real world perspective, but it was also an admittedly funny twist if you can ignore the larger message
I man its gret she managd to gt that portrayal alone in the movie and how silly and not great marketing can be?!
Honestly I think it is absolutely genius from a marketing perspective. If you make it a versus thing, people are going to choose only one movie. But if you make it a double feature, people who wouldn’t have watched one of the movies might for the joke of seeing both
I would've literally never see any of them if not for Barbenheimer lol I'd just do a very legal thing and watch them at home. This was the biggest FOMO moment for me, what a sucker. 😂
ironically there are a lot of institutions that really don’t get this and tried to turn it into a “VS” thing, totally missing the point. feelsbadman
Genius implies intent. The marketing people had no idea or expectation that the phenomena would happen, and are like, scrambling to try and do it again but artificially😂 Warner brothers posted memes about “Saw-Patrol” for the new saw movie and a paw patrol one , in the most cringe fashion possible
@@Bennytwoshitzgod lmao, this is just genuinely so bad. barbie is at least a pretty all-ages movie, you know a TON of adults will be seeing this movie as well as children, it's got something for everyone to enjoy, so pairing it up with an "edgier" darker movie will work better. but paw patrol is WAY more targeted specifically towards kids so trying to pair it up with a darker movie, and saw of all things, is a lot uglier in my opinion
My friend definitely wouldn't have seen Barbie if we didn't make it a thing to see both.
One movie is a biopic about a post WW2 icon grappling with the reality of death, the ever changing world they’ve unknowingly created, and their new place in it…
…and the other is Oppenheimer
i read biopic as biphobic.
thats all
@ianisblue I can't believe Barbie hates me SMH my head
@@notoriousgoblin83 stay strong✊you will get through this😔😔
I did the Barbenheimer same day double feature and honestly? I was honestly kind of pleased with Oppenheimer having shades of US military criticism because I wasn’t expecting it, enjoyed the emphasis on the harm of McCarthyism, and was happy to see the film didn’t shy away from his being Jewish because a huuuuuge amount of Jewish historical figures have had their Judaism erased in popular knowledge. I almost cried during Barbie because while it isn’t a revolutionary feminist film I honestly got quite a bit out of it- with themes of fear of aging and growing from girlhood to womanhood.
barbie's creator ruth handler, her daughter, AND the actress who plays ruth in the film were all jewish, meaning both films technically have jewish protagonists :]
I'm not really convinced that Oppenheimer is a good criticism of McCarthyism. Like-- we're meant to imagine that the reason the HUAAC is bad is because it harasses non-communists, not because it's political repression by the U.S. government. Very strange that the film takes Oppenheimer's claim he isn't a communist at face value.
@@solelyashore Ruth isn't the protagonist though, and her Jewish identity is never even alluded to in the film.
i absolutely agree!! i thought oppenheimer was genuinely brilliant. i don’t know anything about movies but i do like history, and can appreciate that a lot of the films apparent oversights are fundamental to the idea of it being from oppenheimer’s perspective. and as a woman barbie did draw a couple tears - more than i was expecting from such a corporate production. it was so much fun and i think it was done really well.
@@007turtle1239 I can see where you’re coming from, but I don’t completely agree. It definitely didn’t come from all angles with the criticism of McCarthyism but it did touch on some of the more “paranoid” aspects of it- with the general idea of that paranoia ruining lives and careers as it did in real life. And of course Oppenheimer not being quiet about Oppenheimer being Jewish also adds to that a bit, because Jewish people were disproportionately targeted in the McCarthy era as well.
Something about the comphet vibes of Barbie hit me like a truck. Barbie was 'perfect' in every way and yet her sole purpose was to be in love with Ken, which she wasn't. She clearly didn't have feelings for him nor did she seem to actually even like him that much but they were still "boyfriend and girlfriend" because that was just how it had to be. For me it hit a deep chord of growing up gay and dating men while trying to maintain the image of being perfect, but just never being able to meet this standard of feeling how I was supposed to. Like, she'd prob be ace more than gay but even still the concept of "your job is to love a man and be happy that way" being something she just wasn't capable of did hit some kinda way.
I also loved the overall message of that like... It really IS impossible to be a woman. They highlight how consumerist Barbie is and that while she helped a lot of people, she also hurt them too, and how there really wasn't a right answer for it. The movie resonated so deeply with me and my experiences as a woman while also being SO unreasonably funny and also hyperpink I honestly think it's my favorite movie I've seen in years.
Aro Barbie is my favorite take I’ve seen thus far
thank you. the movie touched me so fucking deeply when it spoke about how a woman needs to be like sixty million different things to be acceptable, and then also how it highlighted-triple-underlined-bolded sexism in the real world. I was crying like the whole time.
oh please they just did that because it wouldnt seem girl bossy enough to have Barbie actually have feelings for Ken.
Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t. Doesn’t change the fact that it resonated with this person. Art is half interpretation, and their interpretation has made them feel seen. Isn’t that kenough?
Edit: I had used “enough” in the original, which was foolish. Kenough is superior.
It kills me when people say that the Barbie movie isn't feminist because buying Barbie dolls isn't feminist when, like, the film agrees with you. There was the whole ironic narration at the beginning and the bit when Barbie goes to the real world and realised that Barbies haven't helped feminism
Also, isn’t the film’s thesis that Barbie isn’t feminist, because she doesn’t “have to be” anything, and that by extension women’s existences shouldn’t be politicized?
Yeah I’d say it was less of “Barbie isn’t feminist” and more “hey, isn’t it kind of fucked that we are both expecting a doll to be a feminist and also trying to blame societal issues on a lump of plastic?” I’ve seen Barbie twice now and the second time America Ferrera’s rant really sunk in where it was like “we’ve made a doll that literally is supposedly the feminine ideal but she is somehow too good at that and not good enough and if we literally can’t create in a lab the perfect woman what does that say”
Yeah, I hate seeing people call Barbie a surface level feminist movie, like she's literally a plastic doll did people seriously expect them to start quoting Gloria Steinman? It's cool how it critiques Barbie's being over qualified with the resolution being what if Barbie was just a girl? The subject matter didn't lend itself to much deeper intersection feminist conversations. Barbie's aren't effected by poverty and their history of racism can only be discussed through the historical lens, since Barbie has been black from the 1980s onward.
One major criticism I've had for Oppenheimer is how they removed a Queer voice and changed her story to make her man-obsessed. The real life Jean Tatlock was a deeply troubled queer woman that rejected Oppenheimer's marriage proposals TWICE, and was self hating over her love of women and was reportedly told by her friends that she can work on overcoming her homosexuality, she had a determination to pursue a career as a psychiatrist, she was extremely skilled and respected by Karl Jung her friends described her characteristic of a sometimes bold and impetuous woman motivated by the desire to help others in a practical, hard-headed manner.”. We never got any of that in the movie, I feel like her questioning her sexuality and identity was extremely important to her romantic struggles.
I wish we'd gotten this instead of two sex scenes and a naked conversation with Oppenheimer
I honestly think she's better off having her own movie or book or what have you, cuz there just would not have been time to do her justice, regardless of what they chose to focus on with her
Edit: also, I don't feel like they made her especially man obsessed in the movie. Sure, a lot of the focus is on her relationship with Oppenheimer, but that's because the movie is from Oppenheimer's perspective and specifically about information relevant to getting his security clearance renewed, so him having a relationship with a member of the Communist party was what was relevant to him and that part of the story. I'd say that she's underwritten, but no more so than basically everyone who isn't Oppenheimer or Strauss, it's a 3-hour movie and they packed a lot in there.
jean tatlock deserved better. I wish there had been less characters and we had focused on 5 or 6 characters close to oppenheimer as opposed to the 30+ scientist who's names I can't recall.
Thank you for sharing that. We should all work to make sure that more peoples lives and struggles are told to better learn and understand our history.
Tbf. Oppenheimer is based off of HIS perspective from HIS book. Obviously he was thinking about himself solely until after the bomb. Not showing the displacement or other deeper feelings from someone around him or other, would have been more realistic. Most of what we know now wouldn't even occur to him since he was being a selfish douche until people died, even then still about how HE felt.
This pairing is spiritually identical to shipping the two characters with the maximum number of incompatible traits
Teya being so deeply entrenched in tumblr that she didn’t know for months that Barbinheimer was mainstream is so iconic honestly
i mean tumblr did gaslight the entire internet about a movie that supposedly came out 1973
Everyone asks “Why is Barbenheimer?” But no one asks “How is Barbenheimer?”
I didn’t think Oppenheimer was a real movie that was actually coming out bc in my brain I had mixed it up with Goncharov for some reason 😂
Same 🤣
It did give major Goncharov vibes though 😂😂 for a while I almost thought that Nolan was inspired by it
Honestly, I probably wouldn't have seen Oppenheimer if it wasn't for Barbenheimer. They were both pretty good!
Same but with Barbie. Made for a great day at the movies.
I probably wouldn't have seen either
"Hot Barbenheimer Weekend" is a phrase i never want to hear again
You will hear it again when after the simultaneous theatrical release of Barbie 2 and Oppenheimer 2
@@W.H.V. Oppenheimer 2: Oppenharder.
Well, Barbie is gonna outgross Super Mario and the right is having to confront its success and can't use vague media conspiracies because Oppenhiner us gonna outgross Fast 14 or whatever. And they're having a meltdown and having to think of a reason why it's doing so well and it's hilarious. Can't wait for a 3rd consecutive weekend of it.
As a film fan, and specifically some who still loves going to the cinema, Barbenheimer has been filling me with joy. Heaps of people dressed in pink in my theater, stacked screenings of a 3 hour talking film. I thoroughly enjoyed both films, I've seen both twice now (and enjoyed each even more on second watch).
I think a significant contributing factor to the meme and the hype was this being 2 original films. I don't think we could have gotten to this point with a Marvel film, or the nth Fast & Furious. People were actually excited to get 2 original, interesting looking films. And the fact that every one I've spoken to about one of these films, or seen a review by, had completely different main takeaways (including you, Strange) solidifies that thought.
You summarized my thoughts exactly!
oh goodness i cannot agree more with the last part. i am extremely tired of marvel, i can't believe how many movies that are still coming out as part of long standing franchises. there is even a new indiana jones!? its just getting old lol. and i heard the ariel remake is good i havent seen it yet (admittedly i have not gone to the cinema since before covid so barbenheimer was finally what git me out there lol) but even if it is good its another remake like can we please do something unique lol. maybe after the strikes, hopefully the unions get everything they ask for 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻 edit: actually i lied it wasn't barbenheimer that got me to the theatres for the first time in several years. it was Renfield. and i might not have gone to the theatres for that if it wasn't for dracula daily on tumblr so really it was dracula daily that got me out there. can't wait for the demeter movie !!!! edit2: please ignore the blatant hypocrisy regarding the dracula movies LMAO in my defense *runs away*
I got to lend my dad a pink scarf for his Barbenheimer weekend and I'm extremely proud of him
I will say that for me the vibes were very dystopian going from "we have doomed life on Earth" straight to "This APPROVED MESSAGING TM brought to you by Mattel your friendly self aware corporation!"
For this very reason I think it's best to do Barbie first, Oppenheimer second. I really wanted to sit with the existential dread of Oppenheimer for a bit.
@@renskedunnewold1995 the existential dread of barbie deciding to make the feminist movie (tm) because they see women as a market for their products is very real too
I did the reverse and tbh I feel like the dystopian existential crisis sets in anyways. TBH what both movies have in common is how much we as humans can invent the worst, most self-destructive things known to us and cause so much of our own problems without realizing until it is too late. LOL
Barbie being HATED by the man-o-sphere made me want to see it so much. It was fantastic.
seeing conservatives freak out because a trans woman acted in that movie as a side character made me want to see it even more and honestly it was the first time i have enjoyed a movie as much as i did. also hari nef is so gorgeous they are just mad they could never pull a pretty woman like her fr
the moral is if conservatives are crying and screaming over a movie because its too "woke", 9/10 times its a good movie
Two weeks ago they were sure it would bomb because of wokeness, now that it’s the third most successful film of the year they’re trying to figure out in vain how to spin it as a victory
@@killjoy6880plus Hari has like 5 minutes of screentime, tops, so transphobes are whining about nothing lmao
@carolyns4519 forreal i think its just a prime example for pure transphobia and nothing about actual concern
@@killjoy6880 The real kicker is that she wasn't even a trans Barbie. She was literally just played by a trans actress.
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This gives me the same vibe as when Mamma Mia and The Dark Knight both came out on July 18, 2008- two movies dealt with heartbreaking and important relationships, how seemingly small decisions can shape one's life, and what it means to grow into your own person, and the other two were Oppenheimer and The Dark Knight
The fact the dark grimy ones are both Nolan films is even funnier
It reminds me more of doom eternal and animal crossing new horizons tbqh
going back further: My Neighbour Totoro and Grave of the Fireflies were released on the same day as well
DARK MAMMA
One line I like from Oppenheimer was about the Nobel prize and Alfred Nobel inventing TNT, its a pretty innocuous line if you don't know the story behind it. Alfred Nobel had a brother, Ludwig, who died, and a French newspaper mixed the two up and published an obituary for Alfred condemning his as a merchant of death, this caused him to establish the Nobel Prize after his own death to leave behind a better legacy
Also teya forgetting to mention Allan is the best summary of that character I’ve ever seen
Barbie has simklar backstory vibed as My Little Pony Friendship is Magic to me. Its a story and world created by a woman with a story that she wants to tell and the official toy line picked up and produced that story. Are they advertisments for the toys? Absolutely. Did they have an actual heart behind their production? Yes. Both things can absolutely be true
I thought this too! My little pony was the "Barbie" for me, even though the only thing I like of Barbie is her movie anyways
Gonna thank the internet and Aqua for making me watch it lol
I've not watched either Berbenheimer but Gosling's interviews from before the movie are definitely some of the best peices of art I've consumed
All throughout the film i was reminded of an interview Gosling gave about his role as Ken, where he says he now has difficulty being out of character. Like some primal kenergy was unleashed from within him, and he's just Ken now. So now I just imagine Ryan Gosling in his real day to day, but he's just behaving like Ken.
This Barbie has a goblin cat as her pet.
the way i got absolutely obliterated on twitter for saying i didn’t like oppenheimer (for many reasons). all these men just started calling me dumb and told me to shut up and when i said that made me uncomfortable, they said i was overreacting and that “i asked to be called dumb”. and i was like… oh yeah… that’s why they did what they did with the barbie movie. thank you greta gerwig.
@rhamlet5290 it aint even misandrist, it demonstrates problems with BOTH female dominance and male dominance in places of power and how we should stop the patriarchy and live peacefully without any gender discrimination at all.
Expressing dislike of a Nolan film is a good way to get a LOT of death threats. Only surpassed by shittalking Zack Snyder's movies
@@karhu7581 truly, and like not all my critics revolved around the fact that stories told by a lot of white men sitting down and talking can be insanely uninteresting. or the fact that women in this film are either nude or agonizing in a corner for most of the time. i was actively trying to start a conversation about timing and structure and oppenheimer’s trauma, but a lot of people (mostly men) saw that i hadn’t liked it and thought the most appropriate answer was to call me dumb… which is a really misogynistic response in my humble opinion.
Pulled a berbenheimer with a friend yesterday and it was a fascinating day of discussion to put it mildly
Also this is the cinephile equivalent of when doom eternal and animal crossing new horizons dropped the same day a few years back
Is this going to lead to Barbie and Oppenheimer being married like Doom Crossing did /j
I work at a cineplex vip theater, its been really hard. Be kind to staff this month, folks.
The worst part about Barbenheimer is having to see so many terrible takes from people who would’ve never watched either of them
I'm a man who watched Barbie but passed on Oppenheimer for the exact reasons you describe: I've seen enough tortured man focused historical biopics and was not expecting anything different from Oppenheimer, meanwhile Barbie is a woman-directed comedy centering a brand/franchise that I had a lot of familiarity with on account of growing up with sisters who played with Barbies all the time, so I went and saw it with my sisters and had a blast, it was actually very refreshing and funny.
Nobody asked. Quit making everything a man vs woman 😂
Same here
honestly oppenheimer is worth it just for the bomb test which obviously lends itself to something visually impressive
That sounds pretty anti-semitic to me
Honestly after the Barbie movie I unironically would love a d-bag Ken doll with two pairs of sunglasses.
I want a Mojo Dojo Casa House that I can fill with toy horses
same
I'm honestly so happy that these films are being celebrated together instead of pitted against each other as rivals.
glad to see our strange queen has experienced the barbenheimer phenomenon. it is truly the dichotomy of man.
As a trans girl who didn't get to play with Barbies as a kid, i really liked the barbie movie! I really loved the speech about how theres no right way to be a woman because you get criticized for everything. It also felt like very queer and almost trans? (I know that's reading a lot into it but that feeling of her going to the real world and deciding to become human and even going to a gynecologist at the end reminded me of my transition)
I was gonna see barbie with a few friends, one of which is a barbie fan. I heard they were also gonna bring some of their online friends. What I did not realize was that it was gonna be an army of twelve barbie cosplayers. Great evening
So, as a middle aged woman with young adult children, Barbie made me cry. I felt that shit on a personal level. The message that "YOU ARE ENOUGH" was amazing. I liked that both Barbie and Ken had to learn this, too. It was genuinely good for a movie a lot of people were ready to write off as crap because it's "Ugh, Barbie!".
As for Oppenheimer...my great grandfather worked on the Manhattan Project...I have no desire to see any movies discussing Oppenheimer... I heard about that awful sex scene though, and honestly I could've gone my whole ass life without that.
The sex scene was so unexpected, my entire theater was laughing at it
@@user-el6lt8fr3x First I heard that it was a 15 minute long sex scene and then I heard it was just Cillian Murphy sitting in a chair balls out, so idk which it is or which is worse (it's the balls out one) and I still have yet to see Oppenheimer
@@illinoisgirldreaming9085 if I remember correctly, his balls weren’t out but he was nude sitting in a chair with his leg over his other leg. But the actress (forgot her name) was completely nude and sitting in the chair across from him
Either it was unexpected. Still enjoyed the movie tho
for a movie that's 3 hours long...... the sex scene could've definitely been cut out and implied instead. Having it on screen gave nothing to the plot or the characters since it felt empty
Oppenheimer was notorious for not fighting back, that is why he seems passive, he was a real life pacifist who ended up killing thousands.
that's downright shakespearean tragic
That's I fucking loved kitty in this movie. I want to know how much of her was real, if she was really the one basically telling Oppie to fight back.
An inspiration, in a way. Also a reminder why we need to fight for women to be respected in academia AND why reproductive rights are vital. I hope the men who watched that movie walked out with a lot more respect for the intellectuals who were/are silenced or suffered/continues to suffer underneath patriarchy.
@@curlzOdoom Modern academia is a feminist as it gets so I'm not sure why people think anything else 😅
@VG_164 not in the STEM fields! There are studies on this. If a name on an application is "feminine," they get less call backs than the same application with a "masculine" name.
But tides are changing, thankfully!
@@VG_164 since when?? My university is in the top in my country and its Physics department (where I study) literally just had a scandal where because of nepotism (he's a big wig professor's son) they were trying to hire a literal serial sexual harasser who had charges pressed in Britain for persecuting women at the university he was studying his phd as a professor to our department.
Oppenheimer did not paint the man in a positive light at all, thank god. More than anything the movie examined how male ego fueled the Manhattan project and pushed almost everyone involved to do what would later become their greatest regret
Leo Szilard would have been a more interesting protagonist. I haven't seen this film but Szilard was much more perceptive about politics.
FUCKING THANK YOU
The movie pulls no punches in showing Oppenheimer as a real dog of a bloke, and how petty disputes between egotistical men seeking power destroyed countless lives.
@@staidenofanarchyhammered in by the last scene of the movie too. "Maybe they weren't talking about you." Great film
I was pleasantly surprised that he gets called out (I think by Strauss) for saying he has regrets but never made a public condemnation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It also addresses the fact many scientists working on the bomb argued against dropping it on Japanese civilians. We see his colleagues asking him to stand against it (I never knew there was a petition against it)...and in the end he didn't. His ego and indecision gets put on full blast.
I know a lot of people here only want to see the worst in men but you completely misunderstood it if you think it was about the "male ego". It was to show his extreme pacifism despite having been the one that lead the effort to build the bomb.
Trying to make the race towards the atom bomb in the biggest conflict in world history as something doing with "male ego" is just incredibly disingenuous.
Barbenheimer also brings to mind the dichotomy of girl and boy designated media.
Or (because the subject of one of the movies is a toy) Girl and Boy toys in a happy Meal.
I feel like weird barbie was the character i could mostly identify with because i feel like she was the canary in the coal mine in a way i feel like lesbians often are when it comes to oppression and the patriarchy. The other could live comfortably in barbie land for longer than her because they werent considered inherently weird
Not that the movie explores that that much, I actually think it’s incredibly cis/het in it’s take away on feminism but i feel like Weird Barbies actor really did a great job with what she had and made it possible for me to shoehorn myself into the movie (that i feel was pretty alienating often in it’s view of womanhood, i enjoyed it a lot and it was very fun but…yeah)
@@bloomintoyou3499just because the actors are gay in real life doesn’t mean what was presented in the movie was one picture of what a woman is supposed to be
i personally think margot robbie's barbie is aro/ace just based on how she is in the movie!! that's just a little bc i have though :)
@@riftintimeei like to think of her as aroace too!!
i agree, i relate the most to weird barbie too. im nonbinary and audhd and even though i mask, i never fit in and was mostly excluded from the rest of my peers growing up and still feel very alienated. so even with stereotypical barbie kind of coming out of the movie feeling different from the rest, she still originally fit in too well for me to relate to her more than weird barbie. plus also i never had a big deep relationship with barbie, neither positive nor negative, and most of my barbie dolls growing up were probably weird barbies lol. i love weird barbie for being a bit of a nod to all of us who dont fit in ❤ even with how cishet the movie was, she was a good character to include
thank you so much for saying this!! tbh, as a gay man i did relate to a lot of what the movie was saying (in terms of being expected to do a lot more than straight counterparts and deal with a lot more hatred, etc, but obviously not in the same way), but i found it really difficult to identify with the movie because it seemed really cis/het and it had a lot of anti-lgbt jokes that just really upset me. the weird barbie is definitely who i relate to most but that upset me too because i hate being thoguht of as weird just for being queer/neurodivergent. if it was slightly more intersectional it would have been much more welcoming of everybody
This was such a fun meme to be a part of - my best friend and I went to Target on the 21st to buy last minute pink outfits and ran into a bunch of other girls doing the same thing, including an excited interaction of 'my wife is trying on that same thing!!' and then we went out to eat that evening in our pink Barbie outfits and got compliments and lots of 'you guys going to see Barbie?'
It was honestly magical, I think you're right in saying this was a lightening strike moment for marketing and not something that can be planned to happen again!
I was definitely in the "wait you guys were serious about watching oppenheimer?" camp
Big same. Though I'm glad she covered some of the hella valid "imma skip this one" reasons.
Count me as part of the "don't personally really need to see another movie about how hurt and troubled this imperialist white guy was thanks" camp and call it a day.
(Mostly what bugs me is the furthering of the bat shit insane lie that the bombs were """needed""" to force Japan out of the war. Jfc it's 2023? That's terrifyingly ignorant!? What a morally horrific and factually untrue thing to put in a big public block buster. 😬)
Ive enjoyed seeing loads of people decked in pink walking around having what seems like a great time
I always loved Ken, maybe more than my Barbie dolls. And as someone cast aside often, who is genderfluid but primarily uses he/him pronouns, I related to Ken in some ways. I was dragged along, I was taken for granted, I was hurting and abandoned. I was in a one-sided, loveless relationship, left to rot without ever knowing if things would improve or if this was it.
I loved Ken, too. ❤
Barbenheimer? I hardly know her!
i can’t remember who, but someone pointed out that barbie was actually very much sympathetic to men and their struggles and i honestly really agree
It honestly feels like I've been getting waterboarded by Barbenheimer memes and discussion for months now, but that didn't stop me from clicking on this video right away.
On Twitter the spam bits selling t shirts under every tweet about other movie is insane too
The main thing that bothered me about Barbie was how the CEO and executives all got to be fantastical little whimsy men, despite that being completely inconsistent with the internal logic of the movie. I'm convinced there's an earlier draft out there where they're revealed to secretly be escaped Kens and the characterization was just never changed.
YO, them being escaped Kens would make so much fucking sense holy shit
Something that I don’t understand about Barbie is that Margot Robbie is repeatedly and specifically referred to as the “Stereotypical Barbie” as opposed to other Barbies in her world that are “Doctor Barbie” or “President Barbie”. And that the Barbies and Kens in the doll world reflect those that exist in the real world, and so when something happens to one in one world it mirrors in the other. But “Stereotypical Barbie” does not actually exist in the real world like Doctor Barbie or President Barbie.
Also something that I noticed is that while Ryan Gosling is “Beach Ken” there is a “Stereotypical Ken” (Played by Chris Evans younger brother, of all people) so like, where they meant for each other yes or no?
I actually loved that. The internal machinations of the Mattel Corporation felt like unreality, just like Barbieland was unreality. Almost stating that the internal world of corporations are just as detached from reality as the pastel plastic world they created.
Stereotypical Barbie is like the main one (kind of) she's the one you buy the doesn't have a job iteration. The doll is not called stereotypical Barbie but she is definitely a thing!
Also one Easter egg that could explain why Barbie doesn't love Ken is America Ferrera's character said she never had a Ken (in the scene where Gloria and Sasha travel to barbieland)
I’m actually surprised at the “they’re romanticizing these men!” Take I’ve occasionally seen about Oppenheimer. I never, for a single second of that film, felt they were trying to make any of the people involved in the Manhattan project seem like good people who deserve sympathy. If anything, they seem all the more monstrous for being normal people imo. The protagonist of a story isn’t necessarily a “hero.”
I was more concerned going in that they would gloss over his consistently violent nature throughout his life, or continue the propaganda about dropping the bomb. Thankfully they didn’t obscure his nature as a person - though I don’t really feel they really sufficiently addressed the propaganda (though idk that there’s any way to do that in a nuanced way).
Thinking about my friend who went to Oppenheimer in shirt and tie and then after our afternoon of drinking cocktails we went for Barbie. He went into the toilets beforehand and came out in a pink beach outfit, without telling us he was doing that prior
i went to see barbie in the theaters, and we would hear the bombs from oppenheimer in the other room LMAO
Barbenhimer has the same energy as Animal Crossing and Doom coming out on the same day back in March 2020 and it makes me hope big media releases like this keep on happening because the vibes are immaculate
Both films were truly incredibly made and fit together much better than I assumed they would. They were the first movies I saw in theater on opening night since Cars, and well worth it
I really liked the one where a community in the desert was created around the protagonist and both their personal lives as well as love lives became a subconscious threat to the community. And you cannot forget the hats and snatched waists! The Nobel Price win referenced within the story was so much more than just recognition, but an important element of the story itself, as well as the appearance of crazy haired mentor.
Bravo!
The phenomenon of "the pink girl movie" getting pushed aside is something that I've written quite a bit about (I wrote a book-length oral history of the 2001 Josie and the Pussycats movie). I'm glad this movie cracked a way to get past that barrier.
barbie isn’t completely insanely outspoken because men need their hand held through politics or they’ll freak out and scream “woke agenda!” “wojack where i am the chad!” and that is an actually issue and is the driving force in silencing women and actually out spoken content, proved by men still throwing tantrums even with how gently the movie criticised men
The last time I remember seeing this kind of fusion phenomenon (no pun intended) was in 2020 when Doom Eternal and Animal Crossing: New Horizons were released at the same time - even the official Animal Crossing and Doom Twitter accounts got in on the fun. I love the internet.
As a history-buff and lover of girly things, I absolutely loved this meme. Really two of the best films I have seen in the past few years. Especially Oppenheimer. I was quite suspicious that it would glorify him and the bomb, but I couldn't have been more wrong. Nolan's filmmaking was gorgeous, I think he even outdid his previous films.
Barbie was very fun and hilarious, but kinda heavy too. I found myself quite emotional at times. It is for both 'kinds of audiences', but it really is a film made for women. I personally didn't find Barbie that problematic of a figure, (especially compared to Oppenheimer lol), but it raised good conversations.
When the Barbies started distracting Kens by saying "I've never seen the Godfather" it killed me
This really reminds me of the animal crossing: new horizons / DOOM release, that was such a phenomenon, especially when their release dates got split for covid safety. It was such a contrast
Barbie was fun and it made me feel seen in a complex way. There were so many little things that most women and girls experience that I have never seen anyone talk about, let alone via a movie.
Barbie felt like watching my little brother grow into a man, into something I had to be afraid of. Like watching your baby grow into your oppressor, it was really emotional honestly.
It’s inevitable, especially where I live that I have to watch as our culture rips into him. He’s still sweet, i’ve made sure of that but I also see so many teen boys without good support systems fall prey to misogyny as like a respite from they’re own natural insecurities and those put upon them.
Same, I went to see Barbie with my brother (my second time, his first) and afterwards seeing that he posted that he was expecting to see the biggest trainers of the summer was kind of crushing
He ended up enjoying it (although saying it was very political) but the fact that he was feeding into the whole 'girl stuff bad' mentality hurt
Trainwreck*
Keep him away from red pill spaces. And please listen to the things he has to say and reason against his arguments with clear logic (like pointing out overgeneralization). One of the main reasons these young boys get pushed further into political extremism is because no one shows an ounce of compassion for them and dismiss their issues. Not to say most incels talking points are valid (and they aren't; I was like that once and it was really bad mentally), but he may have underlying issues, a major one being loneliness. Trust me, it's not about s*x. It's about deep companionship, however the former is often cited by ignorants online.
I have to be honest. I am not interrested in either movie, but I am happy for all the wonderful people, that watch both movies. Or just one of each.
i went to see barbie on friday in a small movie theatre that used to be an actual theatre turned into a movie one. they really leaned into the whole barbenheimer thing by having the two posters next to each other and during the introduction (basically one of the staff will come up and talk about some things about the movie, like who they originally planned to cast, what were the inspirations, etc) there was the schedule for upcoming movies on the screen and also the meme with the barbie selfie, except it was oppenheimer's face with the text "this barbie is building an atomic bomb". tbh i expected nothing less from the theatre that regularly shows indie films and movies made 40 years ago.
my grandmother was eager to talk to me about Barbenheimer. we went to the Barbie movie together (not Oppenheimer, but she plans to see it when it's on streaming/redbox)
but my favorite thing about all of this is discovering how The Black Parade and The Hannah Montana soundtrack was a form of barbenheimer
I couldn’t get tickets for Oppenheimer the same day I saw Barbie so when I got home I watched The Grand Budapest Hotel and I gotta say, highly recommend doing that if the tonal whiplash of Barbenheimer sounds like a lot
We saw the Barbie movie last night (haven’t seen Oppenheimer yet, mostly because it’s 3 hours long!) and while I do agree that the feminist critiques and themes are fairly surface level, I think the fact that they’re in a mainstream summer blockbuster movie with wide appeal is important. Usually you get stuff like this in art house and Oscar bait movies, so it feels gratifying to see it in what is ostensibly a toy commercial.
The point about Oppenheimer seeming passive kind of felt deliberate to me. I think the film was trying to make a point about how being inactive doesn't really give you moral superiority; Oppenheimer might not have intended for the bomb to reshape the world and usher in a new era of violence, but that's what happened, so do his intentions really matter? I felt like it was mirrored in the scene after Jean Tatlock died, where his wife tells him that he doesn't get to do things like this and then feel guilty about the consequences. The film does open some interesting questions about how there's sometimes no right choice between intervention and non-intervention - something terrible will happen either way.
My main problem with Oppenheimer was how the female characters were written. I like a lot of Nolan's work, but the man is just so uninterested in writing rounded female characters. If it were just one film, I'd let it slide, but it's a consistent issue across all of his work.
I had a similar experience to Barbenheimer last year. I saw Belladonna of Sadness and then immediately after I saw Frozen. I really do think you need to watch the much more light-hearted movie after the heavy movie because man
you couldn't have known this but the barbenhemier meme finally made it to Japan the morning this video was posted and there was a lot of controversy. It would've been perfect to talk about in this vid a lot of important discussions happening around it
RUclips won't let me link it but Jeffrey J Hall has a lot of great threads on twitter about it
Barbenheimer has popped up in MULTIPLE of my work meetings at this point. Like it's on my team's agenda for tomorrow
Did the Barbenheimer thing on the 21st, much regret. But also greatly enjoyed both movies. But I think the stand-out moment in Oppenheimer was realizing that as "objective" as the black and white portions of the film were, they were still coloured by the bias of who was present (petty d--bag Straus). That's with any history book or retelling, remember and "forgetting" certain facts because of personal bias and-or intentions. The best moment of Barbie was discovering that Ken...can be Kenough.
I disliked the black and white scenes because before you knew whose perspective it was from it just gave CONFUSION. In cinema language black and white film is common for flashbacks or memories, yet these scenes were in the future??? It just made me angry because some colour palettes exists for a reason in media and oppenheimer has enough info to process as it is, why was it necessary making it even more difficult 😭 there's so many ways they could've kept the black and white if they gave information somehow, like that scene title in the very beginning of the movie? Why not include a text saying like "a few years later" or some shit, like ANYTHING that makes you NOT think that this is from far in the past
@@IceCreamSplat Oh yeah, it took me probably 2/3rds of the movie to figure that the POV was jumping around when it switched. I blame it on Nolan being an auteur, personally. I believe he also mentioned it in an interview, which, I didn't see. Would've helped, but, who's going to follow his few press interviews so closely pre-movie??
I feel like if there were more specific transitions or titles, it would've been distracting/easy. And it is a 3 hr film, so, ain't anything easy coming from this.
i haven't watched this video in full yet but -- my dad took me and my sibling to see barbenheimer last weekend, and honestly he was the one who suggested it. he sent the first meme, he sent a fanmade movie poster, we have our little three-person group chat and he seemed genuinely tickled by the idea of barbenheimer becoming a big thing. he scheduled the showings for us, he originally wanted to see oppenheimer in one of the very few 70mm imax showings, but he couldn't get the time in to go see it so we went to a local theatre instead. it was... genuinely the most fun i've had in years. this barbenheimer phenomenon feels like something that others will try to capitalize on in the future, but damn i hope this just... stays an Experience in this little time in history. just for the girlies (gender neutral) who got to be part of the fun!!
Honestly I absolutely loved Barbie. It was a wild ride and funny af. It felt like a movie for the little girl in me who used to absolutely despise pink and thus femininity/girlhood, partially because everyone else did and because I was recognizing misogyny in our society. I eventually broke out of that and honestly now pink is one of my favorite colors (along with black). It was kinda healing seeing the majority of people unabashedly wearing/enjoying the color pink and not writing this movie off as a "teen girl thing" to hate. That movie was silly but it did make me cry and reflect on my place in the world and how i feel about myself (even as someone who no longer identifies with the term woman). Would I watch again?? I'm not sure, but I'll be thinking about it for a while. AND you best believe I'm gonna be bumping to that Ice Spice song in the car
The tonal duality and balance of satire and sentiment: basically Bojack Horseman for Tween girls. Love it.
Saying “now your hypocrisy has been exposed.” In a monologue is so funny.
I am having a great time watching film companies trip over themselves to try and re-create Barbenheimer, like when they re-released Morbius after it became a meme and it failed.
I personally liked Barbie more because it’s fun and made me cry and also because I feel like as a non-American, I don’t know enough about American History to understand what Oppenheimer was talking about. I had no idea who this guy was before the trailer, my friend who I watched Barbenheimer with forgot who JFK was when he was mentioned. I asked other people I knew and they all pretty much felt the same. Barbie and it’s story about girlhood felt more personal and hit more as a result
I still personally think I prefer the craze around Doom Crossing a few years back that was treated similarly. Largely because I'm an animal crossing head and a metal head so it was a win win, but also because it was the first time something like this had happened and really taken the internet by storm. There was also the worldwide support during lockdown and I personally prefer the fanart, the aesthetic differences between Doom Guy and Isabelle are stronger than Barbie and Oppenheimer and both games are pretty harmless.
I am deeply, DEEPLY concerned by how similar our thoughts are about this topic, it felt like you were reading one of the rants I sent my Barbenheimer friends after we watched it. Thank you, Strange, I will be using this as my answer instead of typing again
I really want Barbie to do incredible well at the box office just to piss off the film bros.
Let’s have it make a Barbillion everyone !!!
Just came back from theather with my mom, it's such an charming movie and it absolutely deserves it's success! :D
its doing betterr than oppenheimer (although filmbros will say its because of specific screening times for that movie)
Well people are leaning into the Barbenheimer meme, even said film Bros so this realistically isn't gonna piss many people off
Film Bros tend to like memes more than they hate woke stuff
@@ussinussinongawd516nah, they’ll use anything, from valid points like it’s rated R and those are harder to go see to less valid claims like people not appreciating deep cinema.
I liked the part where she said "It's Barbing time" and barbed all over those guys.
Jokes aside I loved the film and cried a lot.
Just 1.5 more hours and I can celebrate me finishing my last report for uni with watching your video. Impeccable timing!
thanks for a great video (as always)!
i get that this is a very niche comment, but one detail you didn't mention that I think added to why the comparisons were so immediately made is that they're both movies named after the main character (one real, one fictional). I think this is part of why Barnenheimer became a thing; not only as a contrast between two movies but two "people".
I saw both of these movies,Oppenheimer left me speechless and Barbie made me cry.Loved them both.
The original Barbenheimer was Animal Crossing New Horizons and Doom Eternal coming out on the same day.
Thank you for uploading as soon as my lunch break started :)
Nobody expected these movies to have the same target audience.
Me : a chemist who also faces ethical dilemmas in her work (not as deep as le bomb. But they are literally everywhere). Who also had a barbie castle growing up and the only reason not permanently wearing glitter nail polish and frilly dresses is clumsyness and labwork.
I am the crossover myself. Though my ethical dillemas certainly are less deadly.
What really gets me is the Barbenheimer ship. As the internet does, whenever two contrasting characters/concepts come together no matter the source they ship them. As you do. What gets me is imagining Oppenheimer reacting to this meme. The Barbie doll came out eight years before his death, he could have known about it. Would a man in his fifties with an adult daughter when it became popular have much of a chance of knowing about it in any detail? Probably not. But for the barest chance he was aware of Barbie while he was alive, I can only imagine his horror. Scrolling down the Barbenheimer tag in tumblr is probably part of his punishment in hell now.
To have made the message more bare bones and clear, I wish they would have said something along the line of “Ken your self worth and identity does not rely on the things you possess, like a car or a mink coat or a girl. You have to love yourself for others to love you” or something like that. Because so often incel ideology and toxic masculinity is all about, “if I possess these things, money, fancy cars, a good paying job, a house, a Rolex watch, that defies my worth and then girls will fall at my feet”
But what you don't know is that his real name is Strange Aeons....
I went to the theater on the 21st to watch Across the Spiderverse for the 3rd time and I LOVED seeing all the people dressed up for Barbenheimer and posing in the Barbie box that my local theater had. It was probably the most people I've seen at the theater in a long time. Then again I usually go to really late showings so that might have been why there were so many people.
For me it's super fascinating, that this event brought people en masse to cinemas again.
The barbenheimer meme has brought me and the girl I like closer together because she’s a goth girl and I’m a pastel girl
I'm was so upset! I bought morning tickets since they're on discord to watch barbie. The theatre was full and everyone was pink. I didn't wear pink because I thought no one would be there. It was really cute seeing everyone in pink. I don't know of other theaters had it, but mine had a giant pink box for pictures!
I just wish for Teya's hair to never grow back. She looks gorgeous with that pixie.😍