We had no idea he was going to be at the show, so it was a very pleasant surprise! Almost felt like we knew him because we’ve been watching his videos for years
mighty forests from a bag of clump foliage, hills that form plateaux rather than the hillocks which 28mm infantry units can cross in a single bound (or 2), walled cities and their precious harbours, vast lakes! But don't lose that majestic sweep by squeezing it onto a 2' x 2' table!
WGscenics is one of sources of encouragement for playing in the smaller scales for me. And it is fantastic. One thing I find is really cool are massive models or large units brought into the small scales. Think a 6mm titan with a whole squad of rough rides on the same base just to show dimensions of the “scout” titan.
It was great that you came to the Uk...I suppose that battle sites are overlooked so much,is that there has been so many battles fought over the thousands of years,Romans,Saxons, Vikings,medieval, English civil war,Jacobites,cos we are a small country,a lot of sites have been built on,but we have some beautiful castles,the ones thst Olly Cromwell didnt destroy😁 I hope your visit here was warm and friendly and the weather didnt put you off
Funny thing is that our weather was incredible! Couldn’t have asked for much better. Everyone was exceptionally nice and we ran into lots of great folks-gamers and non gamers alike.
I think part of the reason mediaeval history is over looked in the UK is just how much of it there is. Luke's there's a castle at the end of my street comment sort of shows that.
I am familiar with microscale, still have some Epic, Dirtside and and Renegade Legions: Interceptor minis, plus I Ain't been Shot Mum, a small amount of modern equipment, Low Level Hell, Bag the Hun, Battletech, plus Korea, Vietnam, and late Cold War aircraft. Just haven't managed to organise a game since I started collecting...
@@LittleWarsTV Yes sir! What an awesome experience to chat with a person with all kinds of terrain building experiences and ideas. I bet you had tons of questions for him besides the ones in the video. Good show!
I suspect the 'lack' of interest (surely relative?) in the War of the Roses as a war gaming topic is the sheer volume of British history to war game through.
I'm a fellow American so my knowledge of culture in England is a bit lacking, but I'm wondering if a reason that the War of the Roses isn't as popular due to it having a much smaller impact on the English commoners than it did for the nobility. Unlike the vikings who ravaged the coastline, settled, conquered and intermingled with the natives, the Norman Conquest that conquered and completely restructured many facets of society, and the 100 Years Wars that cemented England as a separate and powerful entity, I'm not sure other than killing a lot of people and eventually putting a Tudor on the throne that it had as much of an effect on the identity of the people. Romanticizing the periods before and after in media doesn't hurt either.
It has a huge impact on the identity of the people. The Red and White Rose of Lancashire and Yorkshire are defining symbols of the rivalry that persists to this day. The reason its not as interesting is because its importance is disproportiately a part of only two counties history. Whereas the legacy of the Vikings is literally in the lexicon of the English language and historically present over most of England in some way shape or form. An example of a war(s) noone gives a shit about is the English Civil Wars which arguably had a far more seismic impact on England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. But because UK schools focus their teaching on the Vikings, the Normans and the Tudors (albeit more on Elizabeth 1 and Henry 5, 7 and 8 than on the founding), they get more coverage.
@@TraitorsGambit I was going to comment similar with regards to the English Civil Wars. It's unbelievable how underappreciated and misunderstood that period is considering how fundamental it was to not only British History but also American History
don't worry about it. You're a wargamer, choose the equipment which you most like to see men using to kill one another and enjoy. You don't have to be an expert on the period.
@@Confessor it's complex. I live in Yorkshire in what would almost certainly have been sympathetic to the Lancastrian cause. Like a lot of Yorkshire! It's important to understand this was not a conflict between two counties, probably blame shakespeare for that!
I think Wars of the Roses suffers because (A) it's a civil war. It wasn't the English beating up the French (B) it lacks the 'clarity' of the Wars of the 3 kingdoms/English Civil War in that it's one bunch of aristos fighting another bunch instead of King vs Parliament
Absolutely a sound theory. Though the American Civil War is also an internal “civil war” and very popular in the public imagination. Maybe your second point applies-the ACW had clear sides. The Wars of the Roses is pretty muddled.
@@LittleWarsTV absolutely. And it hasn't been clear for centuries. Many of my fellow Yorkshiremen will believe that at some point we were at war with Lancashire, and vice versa.
But remember you've only had the one Civil War.... England has had.. (ignoring early things between the separate kingdoms) 1088 Stephen vs Matilda Henry II vs his sons Barons Wars x2 Dispenser's war Wars of the Roses Wars of the 3 Kingdoms (usually called the 'English Civil Wars', which is... uh.... yeah, Bishops War, anyone? Ireland?) Glorious Revolution Only the 17th century has a different narrative to 'One bunch of aristocrats beats up another bunch, in order to be in charge'. The 3 Kingdoms is WAY more interesting, especially when you start getting into Levellers and Diggers.
I have seen some magnificent terrained wargame tables and they have a degree of my admirstion but, where or when does the terrain detail, such as a full forrest of trees, become an impost on playability? Bases are not amorphic items that meld and conform but fixed and it always seems wrong to see a base of figures riding on the top of a wheat field rather than walking through it! Where is the compromise? Is an impressive game due to the terrain, or the quality of figure painting, or how the game is being played (or how much fun is being had!). Are we in danger of loosing sight by not keeping our eye upon the donut and not upon the hole? (Are we making spectacular tables rather than playing good games).
Got to disagree with Luke’s characterisation of Sheffield as all grey concrete. If you only ever come here for Joy of Six you won’t see the best of the city. One third of the city’s area is in the Peak District National Park and former Poet-Laureate John Betjeman described the Broomhill area as “the finest suburb in England”.
Wars of the Roses? Not in the popular imagination because of the political complexity of the whole period. Where are the Goodies and Baddies? Not so popular with gamers because (like Dark Ages) it tends to be tactically uninteresting. That is, armies come together frontally and slog it out in long and rather tedious melees. In many ways the opposite of the really popular periods like WW2 and Napoleonics. Just my take!
If it weren't for Brexit I'd be swimming in 10 and 15mm figures. Unfortunately just about every historical miniature manufacturer is based in the UK :( fucking import duties man
Baccus 6mm is at least IOSS registered, which means no extra 15€ "handling fees" (thanks a lot, Belgian government!) but I think 6mm is too small for my tastes. I actually mostly enjoy the painting aspect lol
So good to see the smaller scales getting more and more coverage nowadays.
Let’s hope it’s just the tip of the iceberg for growing interest in small scales!
A great meeting of two favorite RUclips providers!
We had no idea he was going to be at the show, so it was a very pleasant surprise! Almost felt like we knew him because we’ve been watching his videos for years
Here's a thought: have the LWTv crew play a War of the Roses battle on one of Luke's custom boards?
Luke's laughter is infectious.
When Horus Heresy 2 came out my friend group decided we were going to do it in 6mm, and it's been fantastic.
likewise i'm doing a lot of old Epic 40k stuff to do 30k 'Xenos Rampant'
Are you using Epic miniatures or 3D printed miniatures?
@@hbennett731 currently old epic minis found in the garage but I'm looking at some 3D stuff too
Yes! Small scales allow you to play big games on small tables. That’s the biggest draw for me
Also easier to paint!
mighty forests from a bag of clump foliage, hills that form plateaux rather than the hillocks which 28mm infantry units can cross in a single bound (or 2), walled cities and their precious harbours, vast lakes!
But don't lose that majestic sweep by squeezing it onto a 2' x 2' table!
Been gaming in 6mm for ages. To me it has always been the perfect scale. Great to see it is finally picking up steam. Thanks a lot guys!!!
WGscenics is one of sources of encouragement for playing in the smaller scales for me.
And it is fantastic.
One thing I find is really cool are massive models or large units brought into the small scales.
Think a 6mm titan with a whole squad of rough rides on the same base just to show dimensions of the “scout” titan.
Two of my favourite RUclipsrs right there - with footage of 2 of my boards too! Thank you guys!!!
It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it 😉
Plus it goes to show that you don't have to get in too deep before you hit the spot. 😄
I've seen that Normandy build live. It's immense
Great to see Luke on the channel. I'm excited to see more small scale content from him, but would also love to see a LWTV guest spot on his channel!
Two of the best!!! Geek Gaming and Little Wars TV!!
It was great that you came to the Uk...I suppose that battle sites are overlooked so much,is that there has been so many battles fought over the thousands of years,Romans,Saxons, Vikings,medieval, English civil war,Jacobites,cos we are a small country,a lot of sites have been built on,but we have some beautiful castles,the ones thst Olly Cromwell didnt destroy😁 I hope your visit here was warm and friendly and the weather didnt put you off
Funny thing is that our weather was incredible! Couldn’t have asked for much better. Everyone was exceptionally nice and we ran into lots of great folks-gamers and non gamers alike.
ahhhh so glad you ran into Luke! Love both your channels, good people :)
LittleWars TV meets Geek Gaming? Now there’s a Marvel Universe movie I’d pay money to watch!
It's nice to see luke here as he's bridging the gap a bit with fantasy wargames to historicals community a bit.
Maybe one day some of these better known RUclips channels will look at gods own scales of 2 and 3mm
Amen! It is the way.
You may just see one of those on our channel at some point…
Wish we had time to game at ANY scale! 😄
Nice interview. Looking forward to the next game!
What a great video, two great RUclips channel creators! Brilliant! 🍻
I think part of the reason mediaeval history is over looked in the UK is just how much of it there is. Luke's there's a castle at the end of my street comment sort of shows that.
Never mind the bill hooks is a war of the roses based miniatures games
Nice vid and Luke does some cracking topics
Been to partisan a few times but never heard of the joy of six, thank you for this revelation that’s just up the road from me.
It’s a great show and is back on the schedule again for summer 2023!
Great interview!
Great video! Love his channel
I am familiar with microscale, still have some Epic, Dirtside and and Renegade Legions: Interceptor minis, plus I Ain't been Shot Mum, a small amount of modern equipment, Low Level Hell, Bag the Hun, Battletech, plus Korea, Vietnam, and late Cold War aircraft.
Just haven't managed to organise a game since I started collecting...
Funnily enough i got interested in wotr from richard the third lol. Nice seeing little wars tv branch out
Really cool
Great interview
Very cool.
Something different and cool!
It was great to finally meet Luke in person. We chatted for quite a while off camera about all kinds of stuff hobby and RUclips related
@@LittleWarsTV Yes sir! What an awesome experience to chat with a person with all kinds of terrain building experiences and ideas. I bet you had tons of questions for him besides the ones in the video. Good show!
I suspect the 'lack' of interest (surely relative?) in the War of the Roses as a war gaming topic is the sheer volume of British history to war game through.
Love Luke.
I'm a fellow American so my knowledge of culture in England is a bit lacking, but I'm wondering if a reason that the War of the Roses isn't as popular due to it having a much smaller impact on the English commoners than it did for the nobility. Unlike the vikings who ravaged the coastline, settled, conquered and intermingled with the natives, the Norman Conquest that conquered and completely restructured many facets of society, and the 100 Years Wars that cemented England as a separate and powerful entity, I'm not sure other than killing a lot of people and eventually putting a Tudor on the throne that it had as much of an effect on the identity of the people.
Romanticizing the periods before and after in media doesn't hurt either.
It has a huge impact on the identity of the people. The Red and White Rose of Lancashire and Yorkshire are defining symbols of the rivalry that persists to this day.
The reason its not as interesting is because its importance is disproportiately a part of only two counties history. Whereas the legacy of the Vikings is literally in the lexicon of the English language and historically present over most of England in some way shape or form.
An example of a war(s) noone gives a shit about is the English Civil Wars which arguably had a far more seismic impact on England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. But because UK schools focus their teaching on the Vikings, the Normans and the Tudors (albeit more on Elizabeth 1 and Henry 5, 7 and 8 than on the founding), they get more coverage.
@@TraitorsGambit see, as an outsider I have zero clue
@@TraitorsGambit I was going to comment similar with regards to the English Civil Wars. It's unbelievable how underappreciated and misunderstood that period is considering how fundamental it was to not only British History but also American History
don't worry about it. You're a wargamer, choose the equipment which you most like to see men using to kill one another and enjoy. You don't have to be an expert on the period.
@@Confessor it's complex. I live in Yorkshire in what would almost certainly have been sympathetic to the Lancastrian cause. Like a lot of Yorkshire!
It's important to understand this was not a conflict between two counties, probably blame shakespeare for that!
I think Wars of the Roses suffers because
(A) it's a civil war. It wasn't the English beating up the French
(B) it lacks the 'clarity' of the Wars of the 3 kingdoms/English Civil War in that it's one bunch of aristos fighting another bunch instead of King vs Parliament
a big advantage for the wargamer is the equipment is pretty similar in both periods. Especially in a smaller scale.
Absolutely a sound theory. Though the American Civil War is also an internal “civil war” and very popular in the public imagination. Maybe your second point applies-the ACW had clear sides. The Wars of the Roses is pretty muddled.
@@LittleWarsTV absolutely. And it hasn't been clear for centuries. Many of my fellow Yorkshiremen will believe that at some point we were at war with Lancashire, and vice versa.
But remember you've only had the one Civil War....
England has had.. (ignoring early things between the separate kingdoms)
1088
Stephen vs Matilda
Henry II vs his sons
Barons Wars x2
Dispenser's war
Wars of the Roses
Wars of the 3 Kingdoms (usually called the 'English Civil Wars', which is... uh.... yeah, Bishops War, anyone? Ireland?)
Glorious Revolution
Only the 17th century has a different narrative to 'One bunch of aristocrats beats up another bunch, in order to be in charge'.
The 3 Kingdoms is WAY more interesting, especially when you start getting into Levellers and Diggers.
Ok, now i need a STL provider and a game manual.
Didnt know count dankula was a gamer 😅
I have seen some magnificent terrained wargame tables and they have a degree of my admirstion but, where or when does the terrain detail, such as a full forrest of trees, become an impost on playability? Bases are not amorphic items that meld and conform but fixed and it always seems wrong to see a base of figures riding on the top of a wheat field rather than walking through it! Where is the compromise? Is an impressive game due to the terrain, or the quality of figure painting, or how the game is being played (or how much fun is being had!). Are we in danger of loosing sight by not keeping our eye upon the donut and not upon the hole? (Are we making spectacular tables rather than playing good games).
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Hahah signature line!
To what tribe does Luke belong? Asking for an anthropologist friend...
2mm Gang ftw!
Got to disagree with Luke’s characterisation of Sheffield as all grey concrete. If you only ever come here for Joy of Six you won’t see the best of the city.
One third of the city’s area is in the Peak District National Park and former Poet-Laureate John Betjeman described the Broomhill area as “the finest suburb in England”.
A couple of our guys took a hike in the Peak District and loved it!
Agree with the grey Sheffield comment, the best part of Sheffield is that it is on the road to Chesterfield and Derbyshire 😂
Wars of the Roses? Not in the popular imagination because of the political complexity of the whole period. Where are the Goodies and Baddies? Not so popular with gamers because (like Dark Ages) it tends to be tactically uninteresting. That is, armies come together frontally and slog it out in long and rather tedious melees. In many ways the opposite of the really popular periods like WW2 and Napoleonics.
Just my take!
Your take is as good as any!
If it weren't for Brexit I'd be swimming in 10 and 15mm figures. Unfortunately just about every historical miniature manufacturer is based in the UK :(
fucking import duties man
Baccus 6mm is at least IOSS registered, which means no extra 15€ "handling fees" (thanks a lot, Belgian government!) but I think 6mm is too small for my tastes. I actually mostly enjoy the painting aspect lol
Great to see Luke ! I’m very impressed to see you speaking Yorkshireman - did you take lessons?
Here’s the trick-we are from York, Pennsylvania! So it’s like a second language from the old country!
@@LittleWarsTV very well done. I must compliment you on your English.