I didn't see it and you didn't say.. but anytime you have cracks you should drill a hole on either side to help keep the crack from spreading further before welding.
wow so much work and to think off- guess its not easy to build an good ofroader- im lookin forward your vids and when safe- would like to drive that su..er 🤩
It's not a issue of C-shape frame. I'm sorry to say (write) that, but you made some construkction mistake with this conversion to coil springs and multi link rear suspension. That frame was designed to a different geometry of forces. I'm sure that only boxing C-shape wouldn't be enaf. You should added new elements to existing frame: 1. single or double beam(s) (perpendicular to C-shape frame) to connect upper mounting points of coil springs 2. same crossing beam connecting upper (quite long) mount of panhard with driver side of the main frame, to transfer horizontal forces to both C-shape main elements of the frame. By the way, panhard should be horizontal in neutral position of suspension. Look on the Nissan Patrol G60/61 or Mercedes G-wagon frames, how it's should be done. I hope to see you and yours Chevy in next super off-road trips :)
Great work, man! I love to see the failure and repairs on this. I had a similar frame crack on my Comanche at my front track bar mount, I can totally relate.
Seriously, at this point the rear frame is junk. Never going to be anything more than lipstick on a pig. Do it right and chop the frame off and start over. Everywhere you plated in you just moved all the flex to a much smaller area and made what you didn't plate is now seeing more abuse than it was before it originally broke. Plan on chasing it around the truck until you get smart and start fresh
Next time do not weld vertically on the frame web. Just make an arrow and run the weeks down smooth at the tip. Otherwise you will cause stress risers and a fresh frame crack.
Something I see on trophy trucks is a x brace horizontally at the rear of the frame. I wonder if that would be something you'd entertain since it would brace the trac bar, omit the factory over spare cross member, and brace the future bumper brackets. might just be lighter and stronger than all those cross members out back
Great work on the repair, but greater still on keeping your cool the whole time out on the trail and just working the problem. I really did enjoy following your truck around in the snow and desert.
@@dylanromine4101 Then you don't really wheel hard. I dropped the leafs on my CJ buggy then and replaced them with a proper double triangulated coil spring 4 link. It's night and day difference in performance. No more bouncing on steep climbs. The rear just stays planted.
@dylanromine4101 so what yo7 are saying is, to make leaf springs work as good as links, you need to add links to you leafs? I guess maybe just go links. Also he built this with what came off the tj so its what he had around
If you have a piece of leftover DOM that can span the width of the frame, I would weld that in as a cross member (with a little more frame plating of course.) Then add a few simple gussets. Sort of like the big tube in the front of a TJ's frame. There's so many different forces in that suspension setup that greatly exceed the frame's capacity, that I wouldn't trust a heim joint link off of the panhard. I love this build by the way 🤙
I seen them break. Especially when they put more power than the 22r. I had a 93 s10 that had 38.5x16 tires and was sas. I broke the frame 3 times .I also had a 03 sonoma on 35s. That was pretty good but would bend the control arms too often. I building a 95 suburban now. And I been thinking getting the new 2024 toyota thats coming out.
Negative, these axles were built and came from Jeeps running sticky 40’s. They laugh a these 37’s. the brakes are 1/2 truck brakes, so more brakes than the truck needs, so it’s set🤟🏻
Why did you weld it directly to the frame in the first place? Should have plated a foot of the frame at least. No one ever on the forums did this you are probably the first and it’s not the C channel fault. Just lack of knowledge on your end.
@@JBarnes917 I have a solid axle s10 and a solid axle dakota. Just telling him what he did wrong. Just giving feedback and asking questions. Not my fault you don’t understand what I typed.
@@Austinandjules o I clearly understand what you said, at what point did I say I didn’t understand? Did he make mistakes sure but he’s fixing it and also showing everyone his mistakes. He didn’t have to show anyone and could have just fixed it.
Omg I just realized you had to redo your 3rd link cause for whatever reason you thought it should be triangulated 😂😂🤦🏻♂️. You really need to do more research my guy. They have a bunch of hood books on suspension design.
I never thought the upper should be triangulated….I thought it would be easier to reuse the mount I already had for simplicity. I immediately realized it wouldn’t work so I fixed it. That mount was already there. So no extra work.
@@TheTreadLife_ pay attention? Use your eyes. He had the 3rd link triangulated in every other video he made cause he was being lazy and trying to take short cuts.
I just went back and you are correct.. I had it wrong in the video. I made a post on RUclips and my social media showing the fix a few days later. But most people probably didn’t see that.
I didn't see it and you didn't say.. but anytime you have cracks you should drill a hole on either side to help keep the crack from spreading further before welding.
they did do that, it was mentioned on the other full trip video taken i follow
+ Respect owning the mistake and showing your corrective actions!
Thanks🤟🏻 I appreciate it
wow so much work and to think off- guess its not easy to build an good ofroader- im lookin forward your vids and when safe- would like to drive that su..er 🤩
VERY COOL TRUCK MAN, GOOD JOB. I PROBABLYWOULDNT HAVE EVEN NOTICED IT UNTILL IT BROKE.
Thanks 👍🏻
A great lesson on why and how to box in C-channel
It's not a issue of C-shape frame. I'm sorry to say (write) that, but you made some construkction mistake with this conversion to coil springs and multi link rear suspension. That frame was designed to a different geometry of forces. I'm sure that only boxing C-shape wouldn't be enaf. You should added new elements to existing frame:
1. single or double beam(s) (perpendicular to C-shape frame) to connect upper mounting points of coil springs
2. same crossing beam connecting upper (quite long) mount of panhard with driver side of the main frame, to transfer horizontal forces to both C-shape main elements of the frame. By the way, panhard should be horizontal in neutral position of suspension.
Look on the Nissan Patrol G60/61 or Mercedes G-wagon frames, how it's should be done.
I hope to see you and yours Chevy in next super off-road trips :)
Im sure barnes4wd can make you a custom new rear frame for your truck. One that’s 100x stronger
That S10 is so cool though. I own a 2002 ZR2 so I kind of dig these trucks lol.
Thanks 🤟🏻
Great work, man! I love to see the failure and repairs on this. I had a similar frame crack on my Comanche at my front track bar mount, I can totally relate.
Thanks, I still need to go through the whole truck and make sure nothing else is giving out, let’s hope everything else sticks together.
Seriously, at this point the rear frame is junk. Never going to be anything more than lipstick on a pig.
Do it right and chop the frame off and start over. Everywhere you plated in you just moved all the flex to a much smaller area and made what you didn't plate is now seeing more abuse than it was before it originally broke. Plan on chasing it around the truck until you get smart and start fresh
Looks good. hindsight is 20/20 as they say, don’t let the netbangers get to you. The rear bumper is going come out great.
Thanks, excited to finish this up and move on to more fun stuff for sure.
Next time do not weld vertically on the frame web. Just make an arrow and run the weeks down smooth at the tip. Otherwise you will cause stress risers and a fresh frame crack.
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Audi ran diesel in their LeMans cars, I would try to copy anything you can from that
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Something I see on trophy trucks is a x brace horizontally at the rear of the frame. I wonder if that would be something you'd entertain since it would brace the trac bar, omit the factory over spare cross member, and brace the future bumper brackets. might just be lighter and stronger than all those cross members out back
Great idea, it would be a ton of work but yes it would work great.
Great work on the repair, but greater still on keeping your cool the whole time out on the trail and just working the problem. I really did enjoy following your truck around in the snow and desert.
Thanks, we need to do it again for sure, without both of us breaking of course..
@@MuddyBeards4X4 I think you're aiming high.
🤣 truth
Was just about to build one so this saved me some time doing it correctly. Thank you
You wouldnt have that problem with leaf springs
True, but leaf springs do not perform or ride as nice as this does. Totally worth the extra work.
@@MuddyBeards4X4 ive never noticed a difference between coils and leafs
@@dylanromine4101 Then you don't really wheel hard. I dropped the leafs on my CJ buggy then and replaced them with a proper double triangulated coil spring 4 link. It's night and day difference in performance. No more bouncing on steep climbs. The rear just stays planted.
@@bradywilliams2666 they have fixes for that for leaf spring theyre called anti wrap bars
@dylanromine4101 so what yo7 are saying is, to make leaf springs work as good as links, you need to add links to you leafs? I guess maybe just go links. Also he built this with what came off the tj so its what he had around
Trailing a 2001 s10 now. Going to build it up soon. Nice to see what they are capable of.
Nice, I love mine so far. Still lots of work to do, but it is super capable👊🏻
Broke back lifestyle 😂
another weak spot in our s10 frames is at the bend under the firewall. sorry about your other channell muddy beards 4x4 is about 4x4s not cars lol
What other channel?
Congratulations on the 50K subs
Thanks 🤟🏻
Y not triangleated 4 link and no track bar?
Gas tank is in the way. I may swap to a blazer tank which is bigger and moves to the rear so I could do a 4 link.
Great platform to start with...
If you have a piece of leftover DOM that can span the width of the frame, I would weld that in as a cross member (with a little more frame plating of course.) Then add a few simple gussets. Sort of like the big tube in the front of a TJ's frame. There's so many different forces in that suspension setup that greatly exceed the frame's capacity, that I wouldn't trust a heim joint link off of the panhard.
I love this build by the way 🤙
That was 1 hell of a road trip and you handled so well! What a place to have that happen at! A win for ratchet straps!
Thanks, for sure👊🏻
I love your channel! Please post mote often!
Thanks👊🏻
Thanks Toyota for overbuilding the 86 4runner
I seen them break. Especially when they put more power than the 22r. I had a 93 s10 that had 38.5x16 tires and was sas. I broke the frame 3 times .I also had a 03 sonoma on 35s. That was pretty good but would bend the control arms too often. I building a 95 suburban now. And I been thinking getting the new 2024 toyota thats coming out.
I didn't say there unbreakable. I'm just thankful for a fully boxed frame
Tons would be better for you in the long run.
Negative, these axles were built and came from Jeeps running sticky 40’s. They laugh a these 37’s. the brakes are 1/2 truck brakes, so more brakes than the truck needs, so it’s set🤟🏻
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Why did you weld it directly to the frame in the first place? Should have plated a foot of the frame at least. No one ever on the forums did this you are probably the first and it’s not the C channel fault. Just lack of knowledge on your end.
yep, his whole c channel part should have been plated in. that would have solved almost all his problems
Love when all the internet fabricators get in the comments
@@JBarnes917 I have a solid axle s10 and a solid axle dakota. Just telling him what he did wrong. Just giving feedback and asking questions. Not my fault you don’t understand what I typed.
@@Austinandjules o I clearly understand what you said, at what point did I say I didn’t understand? Did he make mistakes sure but he’s fixing it and also showing everyone his mistakes. He didn’t have to show anyone and could have just fixed it.
He did say this was 100% his fault in the video but let's go ahead and pour salt in the wound and kick him while he's kicking himself.
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Super looking forward to move videos !
is it possible to box the frame
He hasn't posted video so fare.
Omg I just realized you had to redo your 3rd link cause for whatever reason you thought it should be triangulated 😂😂🤦🏻♂️. You really need to do more research my guy. They have a bunch of hood books on suspension design.
I never thought the upper should be triangulated….I thought it would be easier to reuse the mount I already had for simplicity. I immediately realized it wouldn’t work so I fixed it. That mount was already there. So no extra work.
Man way to comment without even paying remotely any attention. Maybe research the damn video you’re watching before you start typing
@@TheTreadLife_ pay attention? Use your eyes. He had the 3rd link triangulated in every other video he made cause he was being lazy and trying to take short cuts.
I just went back and you are correct.. I had it wrong in the video. I made a post on RUclips and my social media showing the fix a few days later. But most people probably didn’t see that.
Cool content but I just can’t with that channel name. 🧀🧀🧀
Ok “adult_education”
Go make a video on getting your GED or something
@@bonespur2728 I’m currently working on a video project with your mom. I gave her the ol muddy beard if ya know what I mean 😢
Love the truck, always wanted a crew cab s10 on some big chanclas 🩴. Live and learn