11:20 Look at the man! Sunny winter's day, he's pottering along quiet country roads on a shiny new Triumph T120 Bonneville. Then he announces he's soon off to Morocco, and 'there are two ways of doing this . . .' No, sir, there's at least one other way. Once upon a time I was pottering along even quieter roads on a shiny new Triumph T120 Bonneville (4-speed then) and decided to go to Morocco. But I went via France and Spain, all the way down to Tan Tan Plage. And back. That was 1971. I definitely did not need a heated jacket! Interesting times indeed.
just bought a voge 525dsx had it 6 months 6k fully loaded with tech drives superb paid for using it as much as possible much more value and pleasure than leaving the money in my bank
Did a very similar video , agree with pretty much everything you said , it’s going to be what people can afford rather than borrowing large amounts of money. Fingers crossed things improve.
Common sense prevails Blue. This year will be interesting and the fear in the manufacturers must be a great concern. Must be hard for the manufacturers (cars and bikes) to work with governments on a way forward that is not wholly EV. That will be a challenge I suspect.
You are absolutely right my friend for the 2025. Motorcycle companies which producing successful low capacity models they will survive. I remembered my salary it was higher at 90’s instead of now and I was able to change my bike with a new one every 1-2 years. The big bikes now with all the electronic bullshits they become affordable and they cause problems, forget the maintenance….from the other side we have to understand that we don’t need that over powered bikes, this is my opinion to down size our ego if we want to stilll ride
Yo are so right the manufacturer’s putting all these unneeded electronics apart from safety ones is just a money making scheme they have made us think we need them and we don’t need anything faster than say 80/100 mph let’s face it 70 mph is the max limit here in uk so the smaller cheaper bikes are the way to go
Manufacturing and packing houses are closing or running 40 hours or less in the USA. 100,000 dollar trucks are stacked up like dominoes at car dealerships, not selling. Motorcycle dealerships sell side by sides 4 to 1 vs motorcycles, that's what keeping them in business. 1 big Harley Davidson dealership closed every month last year. I bought a Royal Enfield 650 GT. Enough power for American roads. Great bang for the buck. Tighten your belts people it's going to be a bumpy ride ahead. Ride on...
Happy new year 2025🎉 USA economy will grow and prosper in the next couple of years. Here in the UK led by labour net zero donkeys the economy is set to dive. I've been a biker since mid 1970's, and dont intend giving that up in the near future 🤞 My present bikes are, a z900rs and gsx1400. I'm not so much interested in high tech bikes and the gadgetry that goes with them, and the new high prices for stuff I dont want. Lots of riding mates around same age as myself agree that, we've had the best bikin days and wouldn't want to be young and getting into bikes these days for a host of different reasons. Safe rides mate...😎
You are 100% right my friend.. I decided some time ago not to update my bike.. Stick to what I have got.. Mainly due to the economic situation.. Bike dealers closing, cost of living etc.. I am no economist but I would like to know how CPI is used for pay increases, but RPI is used for everything else? I might be wrong, but CPI is always lower than RPI.. Hence pay continue to fall. Looking forward to your future reviews.
My advice is to ride what you got , as much & when you can whist you still can into the ground , & get yer moneys worth . A bike no matter what it is , it’s only value it’s what I am prepared to pay for it & what use it is to me . I can’t see the sense in people who buy Triumphs , Harley’s , KTM , BWW , & Ducati , & then wonder why their cost of living situation isn’t improving .
Hi Richard happy new year That round about at Leading to Barlaston very dangerous as the car sits there on a bank ,I l know it like the back of my hand, with us having the garage at Barlaston but the taxi was slow because that windmill bank is 30mph mobile speed camera area. You were tho doing 40 be careful there !😊😊 Not it too worried about 2025 tbh All the best phil green
It is like the Tesla and EV sales, they are mostly as company cars , like big fancy pick ups, I know company directors that bought expansive pick ups so less corporation Tax is paid.
Cash is king but if you can't afford it, save up. It's worth the wait because often you'll go off the item or make progress towards a better model. Saving your money isn't sexy, it reduces marketing influence, stops impulse buying and generally avoids buyer remorse. But if you have more money than sense, crack on.
Hi thanks for your video. I don't think its just the economy woes that will hit expensive motorcycle sales, I honestly believe that most motorcyclists have had enough (particularly when you take into account the ageing demographic) of paying for ever increasing horsepower and tech that most simply do not need or in some cases want. I have been lucky enough to have been able to buy several new bikes, including the R1250RT and KTM 1290 GT and I can honestly say I am far happier with my 900 speed twin bought second hand than any of them. For touring purposes I am currently looking at a Voge DS525X, I am not bothered about the Chinese stigma issue that some people have and I don't concern myself with the moral aspects of buying Chinese either, given that you cannot avoid Chinese products unless you live off grid in a cabin somewhere. It is not possible for the depreciation on a £6000 bike to be as much has the actual depreciation I experienced on the RT and GT! and if they ride as good as the reviews suggest, it's a no brainer for me.
hi Andy, This Chinese stigma is just a distraction. I suspect over the next 10 years, if not less, the same story of Jap invasion over British bikes will happen again with the Chinese taking the lead. The Chinese are producing some incredible bikes for the money. And money talks for most of the people 👍
The Benelli are crackin little bikes for the money, very low cost and speced up. The bear is coming in at 6800 quid ! Too much for that bike imo and i don't see it being a great hit so far as numbers are concerned, it will be interesting to see what BSA does with the price of the scrambler they are bringing out, maybe they learned from the Goldstar and will bring it in low to hammer competitor sales and make a mark, be nice wouldn't it 🙂
Good points here - if I were BSA, 5500 starting price sounds right. It has to be the right number to kick the market in the right way. Now if it were 5500, then RE may well have to react.
You never gave the mileages on those cars will all be obscene. My prediction is the March of the Chinese brands. Most motorcyclists are hobbyists. I have sold many a bike because staring at 6k in garage is upsetting. So I sold. Now bikes 10k+ . Would still prefer 2nd hand proven brands than new Chinese. Yet anyway. I recently renewed my 22 yr old car and bought a 6 yr old one for £12k bloody eye watering as my old car was scrapped. All leisure is doomed £5 a beer £20 bar snack cars bikes e bikes all mad prices. So many pubs shut. Have you heard scottish labour are debating a max speed limit of 50 mph and worst still fuel rationing. Bad for locals but what about those doing nc500 or campers. You get the message
As for car prices your right there well overpriced but the auction prices have fallen through the floor but your not so friendly car dealers are still intent on ripping customers off for as long as possible to pay for the year they had sitting at home on furlough nothing to do with inflation
Absolute right! I have a BMW K1200LT in mint condition and bought this year a Triumph 400x. I didn’t want to buy a more expensive bike and must also admit that i liked the bike also because it’s a one cylinder bike. In Norway a new BMW R1300 is about 32.000 £. It’s crazy and you can’t do anything maintenance on the bike. No thanks. Mine BMW has never since 2001 been to a dealership. I have done everything by myself 😀. And the Triumph is also easy to work on. I also bought the bike cash because I didn’t want to loan on a more expensive bike. Keep up the good work and ride safe😀
Harley Davidson just announced $1600-2k us dollar increase on this years bikes & overpriced as is. Triumph should bring out a low tech 900-1200 model to reduce cost people still buy them with no rider modes & tft screens etc. Always go to bank for loan over Higher Purchase save thousands. I just saved for ages to cash up a Triumph Speedtwin 900.I would of prefered a 1200 model but I don't like going into debt or loans so would rather own a 900 outright than borrow 5k nz on a 1200 model which 5k be more by time paid it off.Nothing wrong with 900 though I love it & alot more economical than I thought & previous Trident 660 & Interceptor before.Got plenty of torque & power for real world riding & not as snatchy at low speeds as 1200 but if I could afforded 1200 without a loan would of got one.
Alright Richard! Totally agree with you, we might as well enjoy it whilst we can if we are fortunate enough to use a bit of cash up. Who knows what lies ahead with the crazy going ons in the country, bleak times ahead for many, a very uncertain future. I’m still toying on a Street Triple 1200 RS pre regs going for a bargain but insurance might increase more and more and I’ll be lumbered with an expensive purchase I’ll either have to take a massive hit on or just ride it into the ground to get my moneys worth lol. Tbh, I’d not worry too much on a sub £6000 bike like the 400 scrambler but I yearn for a 1200 RS lol. I have considered the Hornet SP,don’t mind it being the older fireblade guts, will be fast enough but great value.
Speed Triple 1200rs or Street triple 765 rs? The latter gets fab write ups but the Speed is damned by reliability issues. My local honda dealer advises they'll have a CB1000 Hornet in at the end of the month, standard model in red @£9k its definitely the job according to all the reviews. 👍🏻
You ara Absolutly Correct about car prices and bikes . The cost new is irelevant , they are old vehicles done the miles. If the smucks stoped buying them prices would correct very quickly. Houses are the same, stupid mortgage lenders should stop silly lending money, prices would very quickly correct add get to reality.
Cheery little ray of sunshine aren’t you. This is the first time I’ve watched one of your videos. Sadly it seems it will be the last, as I think I have to go find a vacant space on a local high bridge, before the rush starts. Ah well it was a good life, up until 2025, obviously.. 😥
There are some great low mileage used bikes out there for little money. I bought a 2002 Yamaha R6 with 7000 miles for £2995. Looks and rides like new and its cheap classsic bike insurance. In 1993, 32 years ago, I paid £7300 for a new 900 Fireblade! My mate just bought an as new 2019 Triumph Street Triple 765RS, 8000 miles, for £6450. We've never had it so good.😊
You are 100% correct . At 78 years old this will be the last bike i buy . Have a 12 / 62 Honda vfr. 1200. Going to change this 2025 for somthing lighter. You are "Total B / S regarding INVESTMENT MY FUNDS / SHARES 19% UP LAST YEAR ". CASH 5.3% IN CASH ISAs . I manage £400,000 all my own money. Get sombody with a FINANCIAL BRAIN to show you how. Learn ISAs and COMPOUND INTEREST HOW IT WORKS.
It does amuse me to hear from folk with a garage containing 2, 3 and even 4 sub £6500 bikes that any bike costing over £13,000 and "riddled with tech" is simply unaffordable. Those who want another bike are obviously constrained not only by their personal financial situation but by the ongoing cost of the bike(s) they already have, aren't they? Bikes seem to be emotional purchases in the main which is most evident when folk attempt to offer often comical and unsound financial justifications for their decisions. Just fess up, spend your hard earned however you like, stop pretending that you can't afford anything other ... because ... politics 😅
I think you are right 2025 will see the major bike manufacturers going back to mid range bikes 500 to 750 I am fortunate at 71 with pensions that are adequate. Still have a ST1100 old honda and a daily shopper runaround piaggio mp3 500 winter hacker. Have a good Newyear???😂
I for one am looking forward to picking up another very low mileage Honda CL500 for around 4800EUR/4000GBP when my wife passes her test in the coming months. It's no frills and not to everyone's taste, but a great bullet proof all rounder for the budget conscious. I've put 7000km on mine in the past six months as a new rider, and I'm delighted with it. At 4599EUR new with a five year guarantee here in France, I can see Honda shifting a few GB350S in 2025, many as second bikes I imagine. I wonder what's going to become of the quarter of a million KTMs currently in storage. It's going to be an interesting year indeed.
An amazing price for the 2025 model. Apparently with a few changes - foot pegs slightly further forward, a comfier standard seat, and an improved LED display. Only 1k more than the CB125R ! Aggressive pricing. @@m2menuiserie540
I dont think a PCP on a new bike is a bad deal really ! If you factor in the depreciation on a new bike in the first 3 years that you bought cash plus the fact you may not be able to sell it when you want to unless you virtually give it away ! At least with a PCP you can hand it back or trade it for your next bike. Either way owning a bike is going to cost you
Do not want to be ofensive BUT PCPs are lethel Financial Destructive Tools. Put the "Complete Financial Outlay " in the equation . Deposit / Number of payments/ Final figure ect to own it. You are only renting it if you go this route. Take the cheapest finance ( Not Dealer Supplied) on 36 months. Pay it off Bike is yours to do what you like with.
@GrahamNewman-mq7gr good point ,well made but if you only intend to keep the bike for 3 years the depreciation versus 'rental' are very similar. I know because I did it and being a natural born tight-arse did the sums first PLUS mine was a KTM that was grief from day 1 and I was glad to hand it back .
Bit entitled of you at that roundabout, the car has to give way to the right yes, but you were still up the road when they were pulling out and not on the roundabout itself. It was good of them to stop, I would have expected them to keep going as they got onto it first, you were within the speed limit but going too fast for that type of junction IMO
You are limiting yourself by your cut off point of £6,500 as a focus for 2025. Maybe change the focus to “great value” bikes for 2025. That picks up the likes of the new £8,999 CB1000 Hornet, incredible value for money. Who knows, BMW might release a stripped back Boxer 1200 tourer with zero frills and a £12k price tag ? I won’t hold my breath on that one though 😂
Thanks to the long gone but not forgotten Sunak my pension, my private pension and my savings are now taxed and in 2025 the interest rate will be reduced making any savings even worse off. So like your good self I changed my bike a few months back for a Kawasaki Eliminator SE. The trade in on my GoldStar was very poor but i got a deal on a 2024 demonstrator with just 28 miles on the vlock and a £1300 discount which softened the blow.
I fear Ian, it's going to get worse over the next years. Financial planning of the new government is not their best attribute 😥. You and I better stick with the bikes we have allowing us to ride out the coming storm - maybe 😬
i have a T120 too but i must admit the Chinese adventure bikes have caught my eye value for money the new Voge DSX625 yes a 625 cc new road VED tax is coming so that's another knock to your pocket lets face it trump is going to upset the apple cart ; inflation is going up wage stagnation zero hour contracts and then we have brexit which is holding this country back ,i must admit i share your pessimism the last time i felt really optimistic for our country was back in 2012 prior to the Olympics since then our country has been run down
11:20 Look at the man! Sunny winter's day, he's pottering along quiet country roads on a shiny new Triumph T120 Bonneville. Then he announces he's soon off to Morocco, and 'there are two ways of doing this . . .' No, sir, there's at least one other way. Once upon a time I was pottering along even quieter roads on a shiny new Triumph T120 Bonneville (4-speed then) and decided to go to Morocco. But I went via France and Spain, all the way down to Tan Tan Plage. And back. That was 1971. I definitely did not need a heated jacket! Interesting times indeed.
just bought a voge 525dsx had it 6 months 6k fully loaded with tech drives superb paid for using it as much as possible much more value and pleasure than leaving the money in my bank
They reckon this year used car market prices are gana drop.
Thank you for this analysis 😃👍
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Did a very similar video , agree with pretty much everything you said , it’s going to be what people can afford rather than borrowing large amounts of money. Fingers crossed things improve.
Common sense prevails Blue. This year will be interesting and the fear in the manufacturers must be a great concern. Must be hard for the manufacturers (cars and bikes) to work with governments on a way forward that is not wholly EV. That will be a challenge I suspect.
Hi BP, I love these videos you do. Please keep them coming and have a HNY👍
You are absolutely right my friend for the 2025. Motorcycle companies which producing successful low capacity models they will survive. I remembered my salary it was higher at 90’s instead of now and I was able to change my bike with a new one every 1-2 years. The big bikes now with all the electronic bullshits they become affordable and they cause problems, forget the maintenance….from the other side we have to understand that we don’t need that over powered bikes, this is my opinion to down size our ego if we want to stilll ride
Yo are so right the manufacturer’s putting all these unneeded electronics apart from safety ones is just a money making scheme they have made us think we need them and we don’t need anything faster than say 80/100 mph let’s face it 70 mph is the max limit here in uk so the smaller cheaper bikes are the way to go
It's good to see British bikes coming back in to fashion again
“Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future!”
Manufacturing and packing houses are closing or running 40 hours or less in the USA. 100,000 dollar trucks are stacked up like dominoes at car dealerships, not selling. Motorcycle dealerships sell side by sides 4 to 1 vs motorcycles, that's what keeping them in business. 1 big Harley Davidson dealership closed every month last year. I bought a Royal Enfield 650 GT. Enough power for American roads. Great bang for the buck. Tighten your belts people it's going to be a bumpy ride ahead. Ride on...
Happy new year 2025🎉
USA economy will grow and prosper in the next couple of years.
Here in the UK led by labour net zero donkeys the economy is set to dive.
I've been a biker since mid 1970's, and dont intend giving that up in the near future 🤞
My present bikes are, a z900rs and gsx1400.
I'm not so much interested in high tech bikes and the gadgetry that goes with them, and the new high prices for stuff I dont want.
Lots of riding mates around same age as myself agree that, we've had the best bikin days and wouldn't want to be young and getting into bikes these days for a host of different reasons.
Safe rides mate...😎
Agreed-very good comment's. We dodged a missile over here with that stupid ass Harris
Yes we’ve had the best years of cars and bikes
@hectorshouse7348 no, the best time is right now. The kids don't want to ride, they've other distractions and priorities today, so FUCM.
thanks for the story FlyingScotsman 👍 Safe riding to you as well 🏍
First time watching. Bit doom and gloom. Be thankful what u do have. Like 2 brand new bikes cash bought. A merc in the garage. And a job. Happy new yr
Nice ride out. Correct call on 25 I regret to say. Good thinking on your target bikes for 25 - spot on.
thanks Andy 👍
Jeez if I wasn't depressed before watching this video I'm sure as hell am now..why bother?!
You are 100% right my friend.. I decided some time ago not to update my bike.. Stick to what I have got.. Mainly due to the economic situation.. Bike dealers closing, cost of living etc.. I am no economist but I would like to know how CPI is used for pay increases, but RPI is used for everything else? I might be wrong, but CPI is always lower than RPI.. Hence pay continue to fall. Looking forward to your future reviews.
Good point here Phil on CPI vs RPI.
My advice is to ride what you got , as much & when you can whist you still can into the ground , & get yer moneys worth . A bike no matter what it is , it’s only value it’s what I am prepared to pay for it & what use it is to me . I can’t see the sense in people who buy Triumphs , Harley’s , KTM , BWW , & Ducati , & then wonder why their cost of living situation isn’t improving .
Absolutely spot on. Never stretch your budget and enjoy what you can afford. And like you say, just ride it and enjoy.
Hi Richard happy new year
That round about at Leading to Barlaston very dangerous as the car sits there on a bank ,I l know it like the back of my hand, with us having the garage at Barlaston
but the taxi was slow because that windmill bank is 30mph mobile speed camera area. You were tho doing 40 be careful there !😊😊
Not it too worried about 2025 tbh
All the best phil green
Cash is king, never finance a vehicle.
For those who can buy, it will be a great time to buy.
For those with less, it will be a great time to buy cheap.
Good point Dave 👍
You r so right just spot on 👌💯👍
It is like the Tesla and EV sales, they are mostly as company cars , like big fancy pick ups, I know company directors that bought expansive pick ups so less corporation Tax is paid.
Good point on the tax breaks. 👍 well said 👍
Cash is king but if you can't afford it, save up. It's worth the wait because often you'll go off the item or make progress towards a better model. Saving your money isn't sexy, it reduces marketing influence, stops impulse buying and generally avoids buyer remorse. But if you have more money than sense, crack on.
Hi thanks for your video. I don't think its just the economy woes that will hit expensive motorcycle sales, I honestly believe that most motorcyclists have had enough (particularly when you take into account the ageing demographic) of paying for ever increasing horsepower and tech that most simply do not need or in some cases want. I have been lucky enough to have been able to buy several new bikes, including the R1250RT and KTM 1290 GT and I can honestly say I am far happier with my 900 speed twin bought second hand than any of them. For touring purposes I am currently looking at a Voge DS525X, I am not bothered about the Chinese stigma issue that some people have and I don't concern myself with the moral aspects of buying Chinese either, given that you cannot avoid Chinese products unless you live off grid in a cabin somewhere. It is not possible for the depreciation on a £6000 bike to be as much has the actual depreciation I experienced on the RT and GT! and if they ride as good as the reviews suggest, it's a no brainer for me.
hi Andy, This Chinese stigma is just a distraction. I suspect over the next 10 years, if not less, the same story of Jap invasion over British bikes will happen again with the Chinese taking the lead. The Chinese are producing some incredible bikes for the money. And money talks for most of the people 👍
We can complain all we like , but compared to how some inhabitants of war torn nations are living its paradise …yet how many of us give a fig .
The Benelli are crackin little bikes for the money, very low cost and speced up.
The bear is coming in at 6800 quid ! Too much for that bike imo and i don't see it being a great hit so far as numbers are concerned, it will be interesting to see what BSA does with the price of the scrambler they are bringing out, maybe they learned from the Goldstar and will bring it in low to hammer competitor sales and make a mark, be nice wouldn't it 🙂
Good points here - if I were BSA, 5500 starting price sounds right. It has to be the right number to kick the market in the right way. Now if it were 5500, then RE may well have to react.
You never gave the mileages on those cars will all be obscene. My prediction is the March of the Chinese brands. Most motorcyclists are hobbyists. I have sold many a bike because staring at 6k in garage is upsetting. So I sold. Now bikes 10k+ . Would still prefer 2nd hand proven brands than new Chinese. Yet anyway. I recently renewed my 22 yr old car and bought a 6 yr old one for £12k bloody eye watering as my old car was scrapped. All leisure is doomed £5 a beer £20 bar snack cars bikes e bikes all mad prices. So many pubs shut. Have you heard scottish labour are debating a max speed limit of 50 mph and worst still fuel rationing. Bad for locals but what about those doing nc500 or campers. You get the message
Many good points here 👍
Each morning I wake up and my elbows aren't touching wood ! it's a good day , get on your bike whatever it is and enjoy it , no pockets in a shroud.
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As for car prices your right there well overpriced but the auction prices have fallen through the floor but your not so friendly car dealers are still intent on ripping customers off for as long as possible to pay for the year they had sitting at home on furlough nothing to do with inflation
What causes inflation?
You are right Joe, everyone is in rip off mode at the moment. The good times have now stopped sadly 👍
Absolute right! I have a BMW K1200LT in mint condition and bought this year a Triumph 400x. I didn’t want to buy a more expensive bike and must also admit that i liked the bike also because it’s a one cylinder bike. In Norway a new BMW R1300 is about 32.000 £. It’s crazy and you can’t do anything maintenance on the bike. No thanks. Mine BMW has never since 2001 been to a dealership. I have done everything by myself 😀. And the Triumph is also easy to work on. I also bought the bike cash because I didn’t want to loan on a more expensive bike. Keep up the good work and ride safe😀
That is the way forward - do all the work yourself. Saves loads of money in the long run 👍
Harley Davidson just announced $1600-2k us dollar increase on this years bikes & overpriced as is.
Triumph should bring out a low tech 900-1200 model to reduce cost people still buy them with no rider modes & tft screens etc.
Always go to bank for loan over Higher Purchase save thousands.
I just saved for ages to cash up a Triumph Speedtwin 900.I would of prefered a 1200 model but I don't like going into debt or loans so would rather own a 900 outright than borrow 5k nz on a 1200 model which 5k be more by time paid it off.Nothing wrong with 900 though I love it & alot more economical than I thought & previous Trident 660 & Interceptor before.Got plenty of torque & power for real world riding & not as snatchy at low speeds as 1200 but if I could afforded 1200 without a loan would of got one.
Good story here R, and the 900 is more than enough 👍.
Alright Richard! Totally agree with you, we might as well enjoy it whilst we can if we are fortunate enough to use a bit of cash up. Who knows what lies ahead with the crazy going ons in the country, bleak times ahead for many, a very uncertain future. I’m still toying on a Street Triple 1200 RS pre regs going for a bargain but insurance might increase more and more and I’ll be lumbered with an expensive purchase I’ll either have to take a massive hit on or just ride it into the ground to get my moneys worth lol.
Tbh, I’d not worry too much on a sub £6000 bike like the 400 scrambler but I yearn for a 1200 RS lol. I have considered the Hornet SP,don’t mind it being the older fireblade guts, will be fast enough but great value.
Speed Triple 1200rs or Street triple 765 rs? The latter gets fab write ups but the Speed is damned by reliability issues. My local honda dealer advises they'll have a CB1000 Hornet in at the end of the month, standard model in red @£9k its definitely the job according to all the reviews. 👍🏻
You ara Absolutly Correct about car prices and bikes . The cost new is irelevant , they are old vehicles done the miles. If the smucks stoped buying them prices would correct very quickly. Houses are the same, stupid mortgage lenders should stop silly lending money, prices would very quickly correct add get to reality.
Cheery little ray of sunshine aren’t you. This is the first time I’ve watched one of your videos. Sadly it seems it will be the last, as I think I have to go find a vacant space on a local high bridge, before the rush starts. Ah well it was a good life, up until 2025, obviously.. 😥
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There are some great low mileage used bikes out there for little money. I bought a 2002 Yamaha R6 with 7000 miles for £2995. Looks and rides like new and its cheap classsic bike insurance. In 1993, 32 years ago, I paid £7300 for a new 900 Fireblade!
My mate just bought an as new 2019 Triumph Street Triple 765RS, 8000 miles, for £6450. We've never had it so good.😊
There you go, there is value to be made today. Great bikes at great prices 👍
You are 100% correct . At 78 years old this will be the last bike i buy . Have a 12 / 62 Honda vfr. 1200. Going to change this 2025 for somthing lighter. You are "Total B / S regarding INVESTMENT MY FUNDS / SHARES 19% UP LAST YEAR ". CASH 5.3% IN CASH ISAs . I manage £400,000 all my own money. Get sombody with a FINANCIAL BRAIN to show you how. Learn ISAs and COMPOUND INTEREST HOW IT WORKS.
It does amuse me to hear from folk with a garage containing 2, 3 and even 4 sub £6500 bikes that any bike costing over £13,000 and "riddled with tech" is simply unaffordable. Those who want another bike are obviously constrained not only by their personal financial situation but by the ongoing cost of the bike(s) they already have, aren't they? Bikes seem to be emotional purchases in the main which is most evident when folk attempt to offer often comical and unsound financial justifications for their decisions. Just fess up, spend your hard earned however you like, stop pretending that you can't afford anything other ... because ... politics 😅
Today I sold all my UK stocks. I think the USA will do fine. UK will do worse than most British people think it will. It's definitely not gonna be OK.
Yes Trump will drive US stocks and crypto up.
I think their could be some good deals to be had. It feels like think are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better. 🙂
Yep, Mike, it is going to get worse before getting better - I am sure sadly 😥
I have to agree with every word that you say a bit of common sence goes a long way .Alan Northern Ireland 👍
I think you are right 2025 will see the major bike manufacturers going back to mid range bikes 500 to 750 I am fortunate at 71 with pensions that are adequate. Still have a ST1100 old honda and a daily shopper runaround piaggio mp3 500 winter hacker. Have a good Newyear???😂
Great story Lloyd - and a happy new year to you too 😆
I for one am looking forward to picking up another very low mileage Honda CL500 for around 4800EUR/4000GBP when my wife passes her test in the coming months. It's no frills and not to everyone's taste, but a great bullet proof all rounder for the budget conscious. I've put 7000km on mine in the past six months as a new rider, and I'm delighted with it. At 4599EUR new with a five year guarantee here in France, I can see Honda shifting a few GB350S in 2025, many as second bikes I imagine. I wonder what's going to become of the quarter of a million KTMs currently in storage. It's going to be an interesting year indeed.
The 2025 CL500 is 6099EUR new according to Honda Moto. Nice bike.
An amazing price for the 2025 model. Apparently with a few changes - foot pegs slightly further forward, a comfier standard seat, and an improved LED display. Only 1k more than the CB125R ! Aggressive pricing. @@m2menuiserie540
I dont think a PCP on a new bike is a bad deal really ! If you factor in the depreciation on a new bike in the first 3 years that you bought cash plus the fact you may not be able to sell it when you want to unless you virtually give it away !
At least with a PCP you can hand it back or trade it for your next bike.
Either way owning a bike is going to cost you
Do not want to be ofensive BUT PCPs are lethel Financial Destructive Tools. Put the "Complete Financial Outlay " in the equation . Deposit / Number of payments/ Final figure ect to own it. You are only renting it if you go this route. Take the cheapest finance ( Not Dealer Supplied) on 36 months. Pay it off Bike is yours to do what you like with.
@GrahamNewman-mq7gr good point ,well made but if you only intend to keep the bike for 3 years the depreciation versus 'rental' are very similar.
I know because I did it and being a natural born tight-arse did the sums first PLUS mine was a KTM that was grief from day 1 and I was glad to hand it back .
Bit entitled of you at that roundabout, the car has to give way to the right yes, but you were still up the road when they were pulling out and not on the roundabout itself. It was good of them to stop, I would have expected them to keep going as they got onto it first, you were within the speed limit but going too fast for that type of junction IMO
Thinking you own the roundabout before you even reach it is a common mistake…people just don’t think it through…sadly
If life is expensive up there try living in the southeast and you'll find out what expensive really is.😀👍
Must be tough living in million pound semis and being paid £80k….
i understand completely Joe 😬
You are limiting yourself by your cut off point of £6,500 as a focus for 2025. Maybe change the focus to “great value” bikes for 2025. That picks up the likes of the new £8,999 CB1000 Hornet, incredible value for money. Who knows, BMW might release a stripped back Boxer 1200 tourer with zero frills and a £12k price tag ? I won’t hold my breath on that one though 😂
You are right Terence. Value is key - I shall be having a go on the hornet when it arrives in my home town. That is good value for sure 👍
Thanks to the long gone but not forgotten Sunak my pension, my private pension and my savings are now taxed and in 2025 the interest rate will be reduced making any savings even worse off. So like your good self I changed my bike a few months back for a Kawasaki Eliminator SE. The trade in on my GoldStar was very poor but i got a deal on a 2024 demonstrator with just 28 miles on the vlock and a £1300 discount which softened the blow.
I fear Ian, it's going to get worse over the next years. Financial planning of the new government is not their best attribute 😥. You and I better stick with the bikes we have allowing us to ride out the coming storm - maybe 😬
i have a T120 too but i must admit the Chinese adventure bikes have caught my eye value for money the new Voge DSX625 yes a 625 cc new road VED tax is coming so that's another knock to your pocket lets face it trump is going to upset the apple cart ; inflation is going up wage stagnation zero hour contracts and then we have brexit which is holding this country back ,i must admit i share your pessimism the last time i felt really optimistic for our country was back in 2012 prior to the Olympics since then our country has been run down
Good points Richard. The Chinese are going to win in the long run I fear 👍. Our T120's will be relics of a past era 😆