Qimir’s Connection to Darth Plagueis Explained
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In this video I show you the connection between Qimir and Darth Plagueis and back up my statements. Also what will happen by the end of Star Wars The Acolyte.
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This aged very well
indeed 😅
The new direction Disney is going in is: Qimir and Darth Plagueis turn out to be Lovers and enjoy playing with each others light sabre
@@johndejesus9107 hahahahaha I am behind this 💯 cause Qimir be taking baths and Plagueis is on the island being a pervert. It has to escalate 😂
Make one of them actually turn out to be a chick and make her gay!
Well now we saw Darth Plagueis... but we don't know if Qimir knows he is there or they were working all along...
Yeah so true 💯 Plagueis is a lanky fellow so he’s hard not to spot tbh 😄 the rule of two is a thing so that relationship would be very interesting for sure.
@@kilran.starwarsIts also creepy to think that Plagueis might be visiting Qimir while he is sleeping lol
@@GianfrancoGuerraPadilla HAHAHAHAHA especially the relationship he’s having with Osha at the minute… this is turning vile lmao
Bro sniped it tf
@@danielisaacschiller2149 hahahahahaha 😂
Qimir and Maul before Sidious became the dark Lord with the perfect fall guys for the Sith. It would also explain why Plageuis was so OK with Palpatine training a acolyte because he did it himself and part of me thinks his master was OK with it as well considering those three had to do a lot of public eye things so they needed somebody in the background who was capable of going out and just killing someone or getting something done. And if they did get caught, they would fight to the end and it was unlikely that they would be captured alive meaning that even if the Jedi put two into together, they would think that they killed either the master or the apprentice when really it was just the acolyte. If this is true, then it’s in genius, and it is an extra mesh to protect the rule of two in certain cases.
I’m not the best with the Star Wars timeline so somebody’s probably going to have to tell me or put it down themselves but around this time if Plageuis and his master were both alive then, of course it would part of the course that he would have to come and make sure that Qimir didn’t make too much of a big mess. You did a video as well about how he wasn’t suited for the times and I made comments over there as well, but I agree with your video Qimir wasn’t the apprentice he needed at the time he was only an acolyte and full person in the public eye. They get this thing right Qimir’s last living episode will be plagues killing him because he made a huge mess and couldn’t clean it up in a way that turned attention from the Sith. And would also explain why plagues took so long to take another apprentice because he technically already had one and that one failed so he would be a lot more careful in his picking of his second one.
I wish they went this route. The idea that Qimir is a fall guy for Plagieus is great! And although not a direct contrast as you said it does rhyme with mauls fate in episode 1. sidious adopting dooku same way Plagieus adopted sidious. If this contrast was made I’m sure it would be appreciated. You touched on something very important that Plagueis needs for season 2 and that is an overarching plan. He needs to be the educated, eloquent figure behind the scenes pulling all the strings. Doing this by as you said making them think they killed the master or ended the threat is excellent while Plagieus is still alive proceeding with his experiments. My only issue is that this is the plot for the phantom menace and there and then it was supposed to be the first time they encountered a sith. There shouldn’t be anyone knowing about this. But if they can write this in a way that makes Plagieus the total genius and make it make sense it’ll be hard but I guess we’ll see.
Yeah me neither getting my head around it is tedious but hey one can only try make sense of canon and non-canon timelines in Star Wars 😅 in terms of Plagieus’ master everyone says it’s tenebrous which they are correct however unfortunately it’s non canon as there is no canon Star Wars media which confirms Plagieus’ master. Yeah I’ve got my theories and opinions about Qimir and his role in all of this and I just think eventually it has to be a means to an end. yes my thoughts exactly 💯 people think I’m hating on Qimir calling him the failed apprentice but that’s his inherent role because of Palpatine taking the reigns as his ultimate successor. I appreciate your continued support in watching my content bro appreciate it 🙏
The accuracy in this is uncanny.. some may consider it to be… unnatural.
@@lvndo2094 hahahaha 🐐💯
Darth sidious attacked Maul and his brother because they had become a threat. Count Douko was his apprentice at the time. Maul was left alive just in case his plans with Anakin fell through.
And Qimir too is now a threat since he revealed himself to the Jedi. You’re correct hence the rule of two. After Mandalore, Maul was left alive after the fight with sidious because he was going to be used as bait for sidious to lure mother Talzin. After son of of dathmir it was incidental that maul escaped however maul was no longer a threat to sidious and there was no plans for him to use maul even if his plans fell through. I used this example to contrast the possibility that Plagueis could kill Qimir based on previous canon showing how the sith treat those whose former apprentices go out of line.
Hard to say because they are playing loose with people ages.
I think the current Master Sith Lord is the Green Jedi lady. I think she shoots fire lighting, reminiscent of a dragon.
To add to things unnatural, I think the twins are a force powered “Fight Club”. Can literally split off a live alter ego.
This would explain why they looked different when they were young, but are identical as adults.
Otherwise, this series really bites.
@@robertstwocents ah the bald lady, yeah that seems plausible 💯 I agree this series reallllyyy bites there’s just so much inconsistency in the series and so much switch up with Mae. Girl can’t make up her mind if she wants to kill Jedi or join them 😂
He's probably a dark Jedi the sith used them to evade the Jedi when they were getting too close although imagine they make Qimir sidious xD
@@LimaFX yeah maybe I just think if plagieus is orchestrating from the shadow, he would hate how Qimir is out and about. OMFG the sheer pain we will all feel 😂 people are theorising that the apprentice that killed plagieus in his sleep is actually Qimir. That would be pain too xD
I think the real Sith's attention would soon be drawn to people waving red lightsabers around and saying they are Sith, and they would not be happy. It could be that the entire setup of a supposed powerful Sith is just designed to have them be destroyed by the real Sith, who in addition to being far more powerful, are also completely secretive and leave no trace
That’s a very good point. The show could be distracting us into thinking the real sith are hiding in the shadows are not affiliated with Qimir but rather find him distasteful.
There was a post on Twitter / X in which a fan made an interesting prediction: I forget his / her name, but the poster pointed out that if you substitute the letter "a" in place of the letter "i" in Qimir's name, you are left with Qamar. Why is that interesting? Well, Qamar is an Arabic word for "moon". With that potentiaal tie-in with word play, Master Sol (sol = sun) sensing something familiar when Qimir asks if Sol rembers him, could there be a stronger connection between the two? Brothers, even? In keeping with the duality featured throughout the show, Osha - and Mae - each believing their sister had not survived the fire, and Sol's seeming to care extra for both of them - perhaps stemming directly from seeing Osha grow up dealing with the perceived loss of her sister - could Sol think he had lost his brother years ago in another tragic situation? Brothers and sisters, each with one dark and one light, now coming face-to-face again years after the events that created the foundations to shape their lives?
Qimir - again notable as both Qimir and Qamar both have Q's not followed by U's; something not seen really in the English language of the show - stated he is a Sith seeking an Acolyte / Apprentice. He also states that he wants to be free to use his power as he sees fit. This is assumed to be without the Jedi harassing him, but it may also suggest that he is moving towards trying to defeat his Sith Master and step into that role. Sol is the obvious focus of his attention - obvious both by Qimir making Sol the last of the 4 Jedi to confront and by making Sol the one Qimir actially reveals himself too. This also suggests there may be something more to their relationship. Why would a Sith, master or apprentice, risk confronting the Jedi in the open now, exposing themselves to the Jedi, without an "end game" type strategy? There might really be something more, something not yet revealed. Qimir had to focus on not letting Mae escape. Mae knows too much about him and possibly even the Sith's existence. If she turned herself over to the Jedi or was captured, all could be lost from the perspective of the Sith. With Qimir telling Sol he was seeking an Acolyte, it made me immediately think he really wants Sol to join him - like Mae really wants Osha to choose her over the Jedi. Qimir knows Sol is obviously strong with the force. How can someone kill a Jedi without a weapon? As another poster stated, you make them a Sith (remember, from a certain point of view, Darth Vadar killed Anakin Skywalker). Qimir may be pushing Sol, using the twins as pawns, to turn him to the dark side and join him. Perhaps the goal, in getting Sol to join him, is to have a strong Acolyte, and together, they can overthrow Qimir's Master, making Qimir the new master and Sol the new apprentice. This could then go either way, with Qimir and Sol being victorious, revealing one as Plagueis or not, but either way, the two being Sith's from lore. The other pissibility is that someone like Plagueis is Qimir's Master, and there is enough light left in Sol - and perhaps Qimir as he can care for Sol as a brother - that they are defeated by Qimir's master, a Sith from lore, who then takes one or both sisters as an apprentice.
Phew. Hope that all makes sense lol. Thoughts?
I like this theory alot. It adds a layer of depth to the show by adding a new contrast between Sol and Qimir. Sol character is very consistent in that he is very indoctrinated in the Jedi way but at the same time he almost struck Qimir and even Osha had to stop him so there is something odd there. I do believe Qimir had a teacher of some kind and if he is. Sith or “kind of a sith” he will have the desire to overthrow his master with an acolyte. Sol is more of a fit than Osha or Mae so it makes sense. And if Qimir worded up Sol and had him lash out again which Sol almost did, I mean hey who knows. Love that theory though.
Of maybe The Acolyte should become legends bc that 💩 surely can’t be canon
The term acolyte came from he Old Republic where Sith Lords wanted an apprentice. But during the Old Republic era many Sith Lords wanted the title of Master and many Sith Masters we killed and replaced by Sith lords. Maybe Qimir isn't even related to Plagueis, maybe he's just a Sith that doesn't care for the rule of 2. IMO the rule of 2 is just a small bandaid to a much bigger problem i.e the greed of the sith.
But I never liked the rule of two
That’s true Qimir can just be an outlier. I think the rule of two served its purpose during the skywalker saga but I wholeheartedly agree when you see the potential in swtor for the sith expanding you dislike the rule of two more.
You’re putting more thought into this than the writers lmao
I always wondered if the "Rule of 2" would be broken or not if there were multiple Sith Master's and Apprentices, operating separately / independently from each other....?
@@suscon1140 I think it’s more of an ideal than a law. The sith are renowned schemers so as consistent as they’d try to be with the rule of 2, there will always be acolytes, inquisitors, secret apprentices roaming about trying to bolster their power struggles. You raise a very good point and it’s why the sith struggled to stay alive as a belief cause they would fight the Jedi as well as their own.
No, the Banite Sith accepted that their number had to be limited to channel the inevitable destructive infighting within the cult into a positive direction i.e. producing Masters who were superior to their own trainers. Every time an apprentice took an acolyte they had to be careful to avoid detection because it was inevitably a prelude to challenging the Master. The Inquisitors were just weak cannon fodder.
Actually, Darth Jarjar comes after Qimir. He's much older than we've been told
@@RandolphTheWhite1 well I’ll be dammed I forgot all about Darth Jar Jar 🤣
After the last episode they kind of hinted at a love story between Osha and Qimir with them talking about desire in ep 6 and holding hands/same lightsaber in one of the final scenes of ep 8. I think while Qimir trains her next season they are going to fall in love and Qimir will eventually die at the hands of his old master the green lady I forgot her name, and somehow plauges will become Osha new master and solidify her fall to the Darkside and eventually that will lead into the story arc of how Anakin was created.
That sounds very plausible! If power is what Osha begins craving as she falls she would have an incentive to join Plagueis. I’m wondering how Sidious would fit in the mix however if we have to deal with the acolyte I like this as a route they could take.
Plageuis was never known to the Jedi or the Republic.....ONLY Palpatine knew who Hego Demask really was.....Disney is horrible with ACTUAL canon
It’s laziness on their part for sure. The depth of actual canon surpasses what Disney produces because it’s not based on cheap nostalgia rather depth, understanding and good storytelling.
I have to admit, I am not 100% sure of what is considered actual Canon. When they purchased Lucasfilm, I can understand why Disney almost HAD to eliminate most of the stuff outside the Triology movies - so much material was written that it would seriously limit creativity and what directions they could move in with Star Wars. Personally, I like The Acolyte and hope it continues with the apparent momentum it built with Episode 5 (most reviews have been positive - some even really positive). I actually liked all of the episodes - some were better than others of course - but I went into the series reminding myself that this will not be a "movie" every week, but rather, it will be one movie divided into 8 parts. From that perspective, you could take The Empire Strikes Back and put Leia, Han, and everyone's arrival at Cloud City into one episode and Luke arriving on Dagobah in another. These two proposed episodes would probably not be rated too highly, but taken as part of the whole, they would be essential to the story. In moving into the first High Republic Canon show, I imagine the first four episodes were dedicated to setting the plot, showing the follies the Jedi Order is falling into, and how these follies are starting to crack the foundations of the Jedi Order - cracks that will later be seized upon by Darth Sideous to bring the Jedi down.
Sorry, I rambled a bit, but in not fully knowing what is or is not Canon outside the movies and the TV series, I simply have to wait for the series to finish up before questioning if mistakes were made....
@@suscon1140 yeah it is difficult to determine canon from non-canon nowadays. The moment I bring Plagueis into discussion alott of people being Tenebrous too. The only issue with that is Plagueis as a character is solidified in canon because of revenge of the sith however tenebrous wasn’t so I don’t consider him canon. Now applying this to every aspect of Star Wars is very very tedious. It’s a challenge the writers of the Acolyte could overcome by adding those essential elements into canon or just changing everything that has been established and rewriting the slate. The simple answer to me is what canon would be sw episodes 1-9, the clone wars, rebels, Disney stand alone movies and + series and the recent games.
@kilran.starwars Thanks for taking the time to respond - more than once - to my comments! I appreciate the interaction with the RUclips creator and respect the time it can take to read comments and respond! I hope your channel continues to grow tremendously!!!
I am kind of expecting either Tenebrous or Plaguies to end up being Qimir's master in the end. From bringing the "outside canon elements" into canon, it may be better for it to be Tenebrous from a long-term storytelling perspective, but I think it will be Plaguies. With the twins probably being a Force Diad (spelling?), I could see it putting Plaguies on the path - or perhaps more on the path - to seeking eternal life and the mysticism side of the Dark Side if the Force with relecs, spells, etc. especially considering what he may have learned from the witches. I imagine if Qimir stated he "collects" people, his master does too. This could have led to a deal being struck between Mother A and Plaguies to allow Mother K to become pregnant. As with Sith Lords, anyone entering into an agreement with them is usually manipulated by them and ends up paying the price. With the Sith actually being the ones behind the fire, starting it by manipulating those around them - perhaps even entering into another contract with Mother K to replace Mother A and allow Mother K to now lead the coven not realizing it would kill Mother A. The further manipulation of the twins put Osha against Mae, keeping them apart until the time is right for the Sith. With all of that in mind, it comes back to Sol. The creator of the Acolyte mentioned watching his character specifically. Is he a Sith? Is he a brother to Qimir? Is Qimir an old apprentice or Acolyte of his? Or is he the real target of Qimir in seeking an Acolyte? It could go many different ways. I do wish they released two episodes at once...waiting for the next one is making Summer go by even faster lol
@@suscon1140 I appreciate it heaps bro you have some great insights and it’s great talking to you about current Star Wars content. It does seem like Plagueis or Tenebrous is in the equation somewhere. When Qimir said he wanted an Acolyte I just have a feeling he got this model from somewhere. From his own master. I hope they address these things in the later episodes and don’t leave us in the dark with all these theories.
Qimir= Darth venomous. Darth tenebrous's other apprentice.
I’d prefer that over Qimir being Plagieus’ apprentice at this point tbh leave young palpy to plagieus
Feels more likely
Wasn’t Sidious’s fighting style Niman?
@@CE77777 I see what you’re saying 💯 so Sidious had proficiency in all seven forms, but he was most closely associated with Juyo (Form VII) and Ataru (Form IV). While Niman is a balanced, hybrid form, Sidious's fighting style was more focused on the aggressive side with acrobatic elements found in Juyo and Ataru predominantly. I wish we saw more of his lightsaber combat in his younger years in the series tbh
@@kilran.starwars fair enough, an yh I agree ☝🏾
I think you are jumping the gun on this one Bro, firstly Qimir never showed Sith eyes and two like Sidious with Maul,he withheld information and was only really using him as an assassin
It was confirmed by the director Lesley that Qimir is indeed a sith. Who knows we may see Qimir with sith eyes in season 2. Yes 100% correct as it made sure maul was loyal when he withheld information from him. The contrast is made mainly because of when sidious explicitly said to maul in season 5 episode 16 “there can only be two and you are no longer my apprentice” as he kills savage asserting his dominance. This contrast is made because I believe that Plagueis will kill Osha (lol I said Mae in the video but of course they switched up) and potentially Qimir to perform a similar act to how things play out with Sith.
qimir is the mushashi miyamoto of star wars
@@pauldon5341 didn’t know who that was so did some research. Mushashi sound goated for real Dayum! Such a sick samurai 🔥 If I had to pick one thing from the Acolyte I liked it’s Mannys portrayal of Qimir and how well he performed his role. He certainly carried it well.
Edit: that samurai has two blades as well! I see what you mean 💯
@@kilran.starwars aside from musashi having two blades, he was masterless. unorthodox style, unpredictable if i'm not mistaken
@@pauldon5341 I do believe that the show runner confirmed that qimirs master is Darth Plagueis yet everything you say about Qimirs technique in contrast to mushashi is correct 💯
I believe the unknown planet is likely Bal'demnic where plagueis and his master Tenebrous spent time mining cortosis... originally I was thinking plagueis was merely snooping in the acolyte but then again in the book plagueis the notion of the rule of 2 seems to be regarded as out dated... so we'll see how that plays out next season I hope... see what darth Disney does with it😅
@@TheWilso2703that all makes alot of sense cause the terrain described of bal demnic is quite similar to the unknown planet in the acolyte 💯 I would assume that where they are mining cortosis. I have a feeling they won’t introduce tenebrous at all as he hasn’t been introduced into canon like Plagueis was in revenge of the sith which is quite disappointing tbh. Hahahaha I have no doubt Darth Disney will make a season 2 and cook up more outrage than ever🤣
Qimir becomes a knight of Ren that's obvious to me based off of his mask 🎭
Yeah plus his theme is in there so it does make sense 💯. It’s been confirmed that Qimir is the apprentice of Darth Plagueis so I wonder how they would mix the knights of ren in there.
@@kilran.starwars it's possible TKOR are an ancient order based from the Old Republic connected to Revanites from Dromund Kaas who fought against the benevolent Revanites and went to the dark-side to form the Knights of Ren.
@@NickMartinproductions now that connection is my cup of tea!!! 🔥🔥
Why do so many fans put a "u" in Qimir's name? It is pronounced "KY-meer". It rhymes with "MY beer".
@@user-zl9sh9mz6h you are correct 💯 I keep making that mistake xD I’ve gone from Qimir to Kimir now realising it’s Ky-meer. Love the rhyme with “My beer” lmao
Fun fact: both Qimir and Palpatine are superior fighters to Darth Maul, each successfully killing multiple Jedi in lone combat while Maul struggled to manage just two. So did Palpatine deliberately stunt Maul's training to make him useful but not a threat?
Maul did not struggle. Maul gutted Qui-Gon and sent Obi-Wan into a pit then kicked Kenobi’s lightsaber into the hole while sending sparks into his face. Obi-Wan barely survived.
@@tompearce5418 honestly very surprised about the decision to make Qimir as powerful as he was in completely finessing the Jedi. As opposed to palpatine stunting mauls abilities maybe maul reached a plateau because skills wise it’s not like he grew more powerful, in influence definitely cause of mandalore and then sidious asserted dominance from there. Either way interesting stuff 💯
@@NickMartinproductions I felt like maul was more realistic in terms of his strength. It made sense for him to kill a Jedi master. When Qimir went on that killing spree it doesn’t quite fit well with the progression of the sith slowly revealing themselves to the Jedi.
Qui Gon was considered one of the most formidable Jedi in lightsaber combat of his time. Qui Gon would have easily beat Qimir. Put some respect on the duel of fates my friend. The jedi killed by Qimir were no bodies by comparison.
@@NickMartinproductions as a Sith apprentice on his first real field mission (according to a strict interpretation of his conversation with Sidious) Maul did well, but didn't just cut through multiple opponents like Palpatine did against a group of experienced Jedi Masters. You can put that down to inexperience on his part.
Tenebrous is also alive at this time and still is master plagueis don't bc master around 50 yrs b4 the episode 1 then 1yr later he finds Sidious killing the fake apprentice tenebrous taught or was lookin at 2 replace plagueis
@@mikem5647 the maths do make sense for tenebrous for sure however after the reveal in the acolyte of Plagueis I wonder if Tenebrous will be involved in someway in the Disney Star Wars canon.
I believe Qimir is or will soon be Darth Plagueis himself. "100 years before the Empire" shown in the opening titles of S01E01 does not have much of a window to see more generations of Sith, anyway.
@@PrimesFajitas that’s true it’s really not that far away from the phantom menace so it has minimised opportunities for a sith lineage.
Who was jar jar master
Jar Jars master.. Jar Jar had no master he is the first sith master to exist and established his dominance when he snapped the necks of the mortis gods
Do it again 😭
@@CE77777 lmao so what again? 😄
@@kilran.starwars Forsee the future 😂
@@CE77777 HAHAHA hope I can do it week in week out 😄 just posted another video about Rey and Plagueis I’ll be shocked if it turns out right lmao
Do you think there will be any mention of Plagueis in The Acolyte?
Better not be. The less this show touches the better. What a shit show
@@calebgavette5265I wholeheartedly agree. Our trust in Disneys ability to preserve characters is non existent at this point.
Maybe. I don't want to re-type all of it, so I humbly ask you to read my comment at the top of the main comment section....
I like the dystopian future, because we can criticize the real world as if it were a bossa. Not a very distant galaxy where things happened, ruins that happened here, intolerance towards people and culture tore apart people's understanding, dictatorship driven by the dark side that was based on political power and military coup. This is Star Wars with Jedi and revolutionaries like Casian Andor.
@@MarioMoura-li2hd these themes in Star Wars are great when it’s done creatively definitely agree. Generally politically related themes in Star Wars do so well.
Plagues needs to kill DARTH venamis or darth Squidward, Like in the books Darth Tenebrous Trained them booth, Disney sucks ,
Timeline wise the novels makes more sense. The rule of two is also super important too to keep consistent 💯 For a casual viewer The Acolyte failed because the characters were terribly written and honestly the episode were cheap full stop. For us on top of that it’s the disservice they have made to the fandom with their lore choices.
Give me a break, trying to justify Harvey Weinstein's personal assistant's TERRIBLE fan fiction.
@@kevinfisher5492 😂😂 definitely don’t want to justify her grade school work no way. the goal is to come up with something significantly better than Weinsteins assistant/disney to show the fans can do a better job than someone as incompetent like Lesley. If the community comes out with theories, fanfics and monologues (which I continue to make) better than what Lesley can create I take it as a win. I can confidently say that I’ve come up with ideas that trumps Lesleys which is the goal: a decent Star Wars. One day if Disney cooks consistently great content, it’ll be happy days for us.
Your just saying the same shit over and over
I am quite new to the RUclipss and these first videos are definitely a little bit choppy. Cheers for the feedback 👍
2 there are !!!! Always master and apprentice it’s the sith way !!!
@@tatto3578 absolutely 💯 it’s been confirmed that Plagueis is Qimirs master so rip Qimir 😄
Gay Wars
The idea that Plagueis was on an island with Qimir who went on daily nude baths while he takes a perve… yes yes this is definitely gay wars 😄