While I was in the army we used the normal bivi bags. If it rained we had ponchos but didn’t always use them. Instead of cinching drawstring around your head and lying face down to protect from rain we would lie in bivi bag with the hood flap on top so it could cover you and use a Bergen or something to keep it off ground. It worked fine. Just a bit of advice really.
Always use mine under a tarp. The British army bivvy and the British army tarp combined is still only just over half the price of the hooped bivvy, about the same weight as the hooped bivvy, and you get a nice area for storage and a brew too (also works well in the snow)...
After the Dutch one I use the double hooped Carinthia observer plus bivybag. So much nicer and two mesh areas. FB Kayak Cobber But expensive and only worth if you use it a lot
Great comparison. I’ve got a Snugpak Stratosphere hooped bivvy, an OEX Bush Pro and a Dutch Army M90 bivvy. The Snugpak weighs the same as the BA sack with the advantages of the hoop, while the OEX is essentially a lightweight version of the BA - a simple sack with a drawstring hood. It only weighs 500g. And finally the M90 is the mother of all sleep systems, the bivvy press stud fastening to the sleeping bag to form an incredible sleep system for the depths of winter. However for all three setups a tarp is a joy, giving you a dry and spacious admin and cooking area. If it’s buggy though the Snugpak is the winner because of its full enclosure. Also if I had to go without a tarp the Snugpak would win again. Fun to have all the options and make a choice depending on the environment and conditions.
I agree, stick with the BA bivi bag and a micro tarp. As others have said - I've never seen the appeal of hooped bivvies, the whole reason for a bivi bag is low weight and pack size. I like the way you covered all the various spellings too :)
I couldn’t find a consensus on the spelling so I went for the scatter gun approach! Someone commented a suggestion of the BA bivi with an umbrella, which sounds like it could be workable too, maybe a hikers Brolly that clips to stuff, it could be clipped to a tree or trekking pole.. I like that idea.
@@CampLifeBushcraft How about one of these: www.umbrellaworld.co.uk/senz-smart-stick-in-shiny-silver.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwzN71BRCOARIsAF8pjfgDlSgorVn3JsZUd6JVTT8Y6uBSV0w2I_nGQ1sz-YSonkkVR4btRiIaAjYFEALw_wcB
@@CampLifeBushcraft I was thinking that shape would give better coverage than regular ones. I'm going to think some more about this because I've never used walking poles and I'm liking this idea.
I have both, and I've used them and without tarps in wet weather. It took me a while to buy a the hooped bivvi because of all the points you've made, cost, weight, my bivvi works fine why do I need the hoop? Etc but I took a punt on it and for me it boils down to two things the 'feeling' and midges. The hooped bivi has the bug net, it saves you getting eaten alive and because it has that full seal I've got more confedence to go without a tarp unless I'm expecting a very heavy downpour. The whole systerm feels less exposed to the elements and having an inch of breathing space the hoop gives you when your fully cocooned is also a plus. I've used the issued bivvie for years now and had no real issues with condensation at all, the few times I have was when using it below freezing. Have you tryed changing up the sleeping bags or wearing less at night? It could be your too hot in the night. Best of luck 👍
Personally I use the highlander bivvy bag it's amazing, I use it as a waterproof bag liner in my rucksack then when camp is set up I always have my sleeping bag inside it and not once have I experienced condensation in it but I have my head outside of it and have a tarp over my head, i really recommend the highlander bivvy bag to protect your sleeping bag and to use as a waterproof bag liner
😂 sleeping in a wet sausage 😆 I’m with you mate, cheaper lighter one all the way! The hooped bivvy has never appealed to me, may as well just be in a tent! All the best mate, Ash
I have the standard British Army goretex one, it not bad and adds some more warmth in a winter camp! The hooped one does not appeal. Been thinking of adding a sip to mine to make it easier to get in and out.
Would adding a zip compromise the waterproof nature of it? And where would you put it? Side or like the army sleeping bag straight down the middle? I’ve seen people mod the hood on British army bivies to make it easier to synch them up tight but I’d be hesitant to start cutting into the side of it. I like the hooped bivi but as it weighs as much as a tent it doesn’t come out much.
@@CampLifeBushcraft I had thought that, however with a flap and seam sealed think it would be possible. I was thinking a third/half the length maybe. Like you say if you have a hooped bivvy may as well have a tent.
I brought the dutch hooped divvy from lee (Burton outdoors) and had the same problem once you have a matt and pillow head touched the top.. And it feels claustrophobic.. Much prefer the British Army bivvy. Great comparison dan..
Hi, Thanks for this very good video, no messing and straight to the point. I'm guessing due to the condensation of these, Down sleeping bags are a big no no! ??
I've used a down bag with the british army bivi. It was a bit moist in the morning, but nothing a bit of sunshine didn't fix. Probably only good for 1 night unless you know its going to be sunny.
I’ve only used the British Army one on the coast, I think the moisture from the sea didn’t help the condensation, but it wasn’t bad and it wasn’t a problem. I had a great night 👍
A great video. I really appreciate the honest and great information you have given about the two Bivy but I also choose the British Army Bivy for its lightness and well built, for its price and because it is made in Goretex. Thanks for the video and take care.
Good comparison Dan, I've contemplated that dutch hoop bivvy, but I have an olive and dpm version of the BA bag. I'm more than happy with them, so after you saying about price and weight I'll think I'll leave the dutch one. All the best Steve.
Thanks Doug, I used mine just the other day as it happens. With a small tarp on a hillside. Really good night. (Video coming on Friday) Hope you enjoy yours. ATB Dan
Interesting points of view Dan, as you know I've got the Dutch Army Hooped and a USGI bivvy with no hoop but nearly full enclosure, and I have to say I still prefer the Dutch overall, yes it's heavier, but there's a little more room in it, zip up completely so no bugs etc can get in, I've never had condensation with the Dutch but have with the USGI, I love them both though, my first camp after this "Thing" we're going through is going to be a beach camp in the "Dutchy" enjoyed this mate. Lee
They both have merit, I get what your saying about the room inside the hooped one, I just think it’s a little bulky and I may as well use a tent.. but I won’t be getting rid of it.. it is quite cool 😁 Beach camp sounds amazing! I can’t wait to be in the trees.. being at home is starting to get old now. xx
Bivvy bag poncho turn bivvy bag upside down bergan under the hood so you can breathe job done mush! None of the faff of putting a pole and pegging down plus the condensation stick to the standard bivvy bag
I modded by British army bivvy by adding a waterproof zip in the middle that matches the centre zip on my snugpak sf sleeping bag making it much easier to get in and out.
I took my army camo bivi to a tent menders near were I live and had em cut the hood off and put a zip down the centre.. about half way down.. my idea was I use a tarp mostly with it so why worry about the hood, it has the benefit of keeping my head out of the bag reducing any condensation. the tarp can be a micro or 10*13 depending on situation.. or just cowboy camp on a good night.. I like bivying so as I can watch the stars or clouds pass over before I go to sleep...
Hi Dan. Fantastic timing with your video as I spent this Fri and Sat nights in my new (used) British Army Bivi. I did whimp out a bit and put a tarp up as a lean-too just to give me a bit of protection from and dew. I loved it and didn't seem to get any condensation (but was not hooched right down in it). Not sure if I should have tried to sleep with my mat (tried two different ones) inside the bag as I felt it cut down on the space (but that could have been the sleeping bag). A minus point for me (and this looks to be where the Dutch Army scores) was getting in and out - a side or top zip would seem an idea even if only 1/2 length. I have seen a number of bivi mods and wondered if you have tried or perhaps rate any as worth doing. Great review and thanks for keeping them coming. Stay safe.
I wouldn’t trust myself to fit a zip as I’m sure I’d mess it up! When I sleep in the normal bivi I put my mat under it, I tried it inside once and hated it, way too tight! When I’ve had bad condensation has been in moist conditions and I’ve buried myself in it. But if you expect it, it doesn’t come as a shock 😁 Thanks for watching Robert ATB Dan
Nice video! I have the dutch and the british army models. But in a summer night in sweden you want the mosquito net, when you look out you see the bastards trying to get in hahaha !
I’ve watched many videos and uses of the Dutch Army Hooped Bivi. I knabbed an XL hooped Bivi. Rucksack down inside at the foot. Thus lifting it off you. I set it up in the garden, rucksack at the bottom. Air mat, Carinthia defence 4 It was freezing outside I lasted 30 minutes couldn’t breathe Not air in the hoop and sold it, Just literally today 23/2/2021 had a Dutch m80 Bivi delivered with protected from zip. So will work with the Carinthia Defence 4
I have the British army bivvi bag and the snugpak stratosphere i wont use them without a basha. Im waiting on the durch army hooped bivvi coming this week, no doubt il be using me basha with that. Need it up here in the north of scotland 😂
I recently bought a good Dutch hooped bivi and have been practising using it in the house...sleeping in it . I tried with a self-inflating pad underneath which was best. It is a bit claustrophobic until you get used to it and keep a comfort torch inside to you can find the zips quickly ! I hope to use it in bug season on the NC500. I also have a British bivi..but reluctant to use it. I had a friend who got Lymes disease from a tick. He died as a result of it in 2016. I am paranoid about the little critters ! And they say the UK has no dangerous animals !
@@chrischarlton6542 i did think of trying it out in the flat but no peg out! I have the stratosphere, thats a bit of a squeeze lol. Ticks!! There a nightmare up hee in the north east of scotland. I done eight years in the army, the amount of times spent under canvas! I never had one, now i only have to walk through long grass and i have at least two, puts me off, i was thibking about hammock camping but im running out of space in this upstairs one bedroom flat. Im very sorry to hear about your fruend.
I use a 1982 British Army bivi and swear by it (except when bitten by a fox). It's a tad heavier than the newer gortex but has an inbuilt waterproof bag it folds into. If it rains overnight you can roll over and the bag covers your head, it's a shame they removed it. Who knows how to spell byvee?
They are all missing the point of sleeping under the stars "with all your senses". I need a simple bivy with a larger hoop that includes mosquito netting as a first essential. A 12X12 Home Depot tarp will keep the camp and all the gear dryer and organized, Full zipper down the bivy and a nice square sleeping bag for luxury & comfort will make a two or three day base camp you will be happy to come back to at night. There may be bear, cougar or people you want to be keenly aware of... Any help would be appreciated...
I think if you stick a pole in a bivvy bag then you have a tent. Saying that I have a rab ridge master twin hooped job that has a pack size of half of rhe army one in the video and weighs somewhere between the two. Bivvys are great but I don't ever take mine anymore without a lightweight tarp as at my age I don't relish rolling around in the wet trying to get in and out whist trying to keep me and my sleeping bag from getting wet. That then leads to the old argument that for less weight and pack size you can use a small tent. Bivvi and tarp can't be beaten for versatility though, you can't use tents everywhere, I have never found a spot that can't be used by a bivvi and or a tarp. I have quite a few shelters from a cheap lavvu through to high end 5 season mountain tent exotica but if I had to choose one I wall always go my ridge master+tarp, covers 99% of every situation I could ever encounter.
a well thought out comment Dave. I like tarp camping, and I'm most comfortable under one rather than in a tent, and I like a bivi camp sometimes, but I never see the point of taking a tarp AND bivi because I'm happy just under the tarp. don't get me wrong I have use both together before but it seems a luxury weight wise. I don't think there is a one set up covers all set up. I like to choose a shelter based on what I'm doing and how I'm feeling on the day. hope you are keeping well Dan
Good video. With the exception that they are way more expensive and not everyone has money to burn, there are zero other advantages to a bivi bag versus a good lightweight tent imo.
Hi Dan, Good vid. A few thoughts to ponder. Doesn't the Dutch Bivi have an inbuilt mossie net? Also I have the old and the new British Army bivi bags and the new MTP one is lighter and packs better. As far as condensation, can be reduced by not putting cover over your head, hence not breathing into the bag. Hope that helps. Just subscribed :)
Hey Paul, no there is no built in net on the Dutch bivi or at least not on mine. Not putting the hood over your head sounds a sensible idea for less condensation, weather permitting obviously! Someone suggested straight up bivi with an umbrella over the head end for the rain.. I quite like that idea myself. Thanks for subscribing, it really helps and I appreciate it. Be well mate Dan
@@CampLifeBushcraft Hey Dan, I just wanted to let you know that usually the Dutch bivy bag has a mosquito net (my friend has one issued). I think this is actually the best feature about it! Also great video :) Cheers, Gerard
Yes, Gortex is treatable and supposedly lets body and breath vapour out while keeping bigger moisture molecules out. I have slept with my hooped bivi done up due to rain.. it wasn't pleasant but it was ok. This one is fairly recent if you're interested ruclips.net/video/VqChBheDXdY/видео.htmlsi=EvjnSjfsXkQ33tUa
Hi Dan hope you and your family are well? Not tried a bivvi myself and not really my cup of tea if I am honest but a great comparison for if I change my mind, thanks for sharing and stay safe. Atb Stuart
Camp Life bushcraft Hello I’m fine and all the family, How are you and the family??? They send me the food safety level 2 and I’ve done it and I have the certificate ok
Really no need to stake out the hooped bivy tbh, just put the pole in it and you're done. Also saves weight in not having stakes. For me, the hoopes bivy is the best i.m.o. I don't use a tarp with it and I can set it up ANYWHERE + I'll stay well hidden. If the bivy bag has no holes, you can even light a flashlight on the inside without the light being visible from the outside
When I weighed it I didn’t have the pegs in the bag. I’ve nothing against the hooped one, I like them both. I just prefer the normal one a little more. Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it. Dan
If its sunny, warm weather and condensation is an issue anyway, why would you even use a bivvy at all? Why not a ground sheet? Genuine question, never used a bivvy, but interested
You get dew in the evening and morning times and the bivi protects your sleeping bag from it. And if your anything like me you roll around in your sleep, chances are I’d wake up nowhere near my groundsheet! Those are my guesses anyway.
Not a bad video at all, I use a bivy and tarp almost exclusively and have a few to choose from. The Canadian Army one (virtually the same as the green British one), the USGI one (woodland and digital grey) and the 2GoSystems Velar. They are all awesome imho and I'll likely add more to the collection in the future. I haven't tried a hooped bivy yet, maybe in the future I will get the chance.
While I was in the army we used the normal bivi bags. If it rained we had ponchos but didn’t always use them. Instead of cinching drawstring around your head and lying face down to protect from rain we would lie in bivi bag with the hood flap on top so it could cover you and use a Bergen or something to keep it off ground. It worked fine. Just a bit of advice really.
Thanks Mark, great tip 👍
@@CampLifeBushcraft Ye, good tip that, I was wondering whether hood on top makes sense, good to hear it does
Goretex British army bivi bag…can’t beat em! Helps keep warmth in when it’s cold and they’re waterproof.
Always use mine under a tarp. The British army bivvy and the British army tarp combined is still only just over half the price of the hooped bivvy, about the same weight as the hooped bivvy, and you get a nice area for storage and a brew too (also works well in the snow)...
I totally get that point of view 👍
After the Dutch one I use the double hooped Carinthia observer plus bivybag. So much nicer and two mesh areas.
FB Kayak Cobber
But expensive and only worth if you use it a lot
Great comparison. I’ve got a Snugpak Stratosphere hooped bivvy, an OEX Bush Pro and a Dutch Army M90 bivvy. The Snugpak weighs the same as the BA sack with the advantages of the hoop, while the OEX is essentially a lightweight version of the BA - a simple sack with a drawstring hood. It only weighs 500g. And finally the M90 is the mother of all sleep systems, the bivvy press stud fastening to the sleeping bag to form an incredible sleep system for the depths of winter. However for all three setups a tarp is a joy, giving you a dry and spacious admin and cooking area. If it’s buggy though the Snugpak is the winner because of its full enclosure. Also if I had to go without a tarp the Snugpak would win again. Fun to have all the options and make a choice depending on the environment and conditions.
I agree, stick with the BA bivi bag and a micro tarp. As others have said - I've never seen the appeal of hooped bivvies, the whole reason for a bivi bag is low weight and pack size.
I like the way you covered all the various spellings too :)
I couldn’t find a consensus on the spelling so I went for the scatter gun approach!
Someone commented a suggestion of the BA bivi with an umbrella, which sounds like it could be workable too, maybe a hikers Brolly that clips to stuff, it could be clipped to a tree or trekking pole.. I like that idea.
@@CampLifeBushcraft How about one of these: www.umbrellaworld.co.uk/senz-smart-stick-in-shiny-silver.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwzN71BRCOARIsAF8pjfgDlSgorVn3JsZUd6JVTT8Y6uBSV0w2I_nGQ1sz-YSonkkVR4btRiIaAjYFEALw_wcB
That’s a cool shape!
@@CampLifeBushcraft I was thinking that shape would give better coverage than regular ones. I'm going to think some more about this because I've never used walking poles and I'm liking this idea.
Yeah me too, my buddy Rob has a “tactical umbrella” as he calls it that straps to his bag or shoulder.. I bet that could suit 🤔
Slugs over your face, spiders in your mouth , rain on your face at 2am. I'll stick to the hooped bivvy with bug net thank you very much lol
😂😂😂
Good video,if you put the army upside down you can prop the hood up with the help of tarp clips & like a tent effect dry & airy
Good tip 👌
I have both, and I've used them and without tarps in wet weather.
It took me a while to buy a the hooped bivvi because of all the points you've made, cost, weight, my bivvi works fine why do I need the hoop? Etc but I took a punt on it and for me it boils down to two things the 'feeling' and midges. The hooped bivi has the bug net, it saves you getting eaten alive and because it has that full seal I've got more confedence to go without a tarp unless I'm expecting a very heavy downpour. The whole systerm feels less exposed to the elements and having an inch of breathing space the hoop gives you when your fully cocooned is also a plus.
I've used the issued bivvie for years now and had no real issues with condensation at all, the few times I have was when using it below freezing. Have you tryed changing up the sleeping bags or wearing less at night? It could be your too hot in the night.
Best of luck 👍
Personally I use the highlander bivvy bag it's amazing, I use it as a waterproof bag liner in my rucksack then when camp is set up I always have my sleeping bag inside it and not once have I experienced condensation in it but I have my head outside of it and have a tarp over my head, i really recommend the highlander bivvy bag to protect your sleeping bag and to use as a waterproof bag liner
😂 sleeping in a wet sausage 😆 I’m with you mate, cheaper lighter one all the way! The hooped bivvy has never appealed to me, may as well just be in a tent!
All the best mate,
Ash
Yeah that’s it, the hooped bivi looks cool but it’s as big and heavy as a tent.. so you may as well be in a tent!
Cheers Ash 👍
Camp Life bushcraft no props mate, look forward to the next house camp 👍🏼
Same here,speaking out of experience,the hooped bivi isn't lighter then my small 2 persons tent and I have more space.
I have the standard British Army goretex one, it not bad and adds some more warmth in a winter camp! The hooped one does not appeal. Been thinking of adding a sip to mine to make it easier to get in and out.
Would adding a zip compromise the waterproof nature of it?
And where would you put it? Side or like the army sleeping bag straight down the middle?
I’ve seen people mod the hood on British army bivies to make it easier to synch them up tight but I’d be hesitant to start cutting into the side of it.
I like the hooped bivi but as it weighs as much as a tent it doesn’t come out much.
@@CampLifeBushcraft I had thought that, however with a flap and seam sealed think it would be possible. I was thinking a third/half the length maybe.
Like you say if you have a hooped bivvy may as well have a tent.
The zip does have some plus points for me. Thanks for the comparison!
The hooped one is cool, trouble is it’s as big as a tent, so I end up thinking I may as well be in a tent! 🤣
High, it would help, to use them together with an umbrella, if it is raining. Kindly Fiete
An umbrella is a great idea! I’d never thought of that.. might have to try it.
Thanks
@@CampLifeBushcraft: I use it together with my Geertop-Bivvy
I brought the dutch hooped divvy from lee (Burton outdoors) and had the same problem once you have a matt and pillow head touched the top.. And it feels claustrophobic..
Much prefer the British Army bivvy.
Great comparison dan..
Cheers mate : )
Hi, Thanks for this very good video, no messing and straight to the point. I'm guessing due to the condensation of these, Down sleeping bags are a big no no! ??
I've used a down bag with the british army bivi. It was a bit moist in the morning, but nothing a bit of sunshine didn't fix.
Probably only good for 1 night unless you know its going to be sunny.
Great video Dan. I absolutely love my British army bivvy bag. Touch wood I've never had trouble with condensation with mine. Take care matey 🖒
I’ve only used the British Army one on the coast, I think the moisture from the sea didn’t help the condensation, but it wasn’t bad and it wasn’t a problem. I had a great night 👍
@@CampLifeBushcraft there a great bit of kit
A great video. I really appreciate the honest and great information you have given about the two Bivy but I also choose the British Army Bivy for its lightness and well built, for its price and because it is made in Goretex. Thanks for the video and take care.
Honest and fair review :) I have both systems and they work very well.
Thanks mate. I like them both too 👍
Good comparison Dan, I've contemplated that dutch hoop bivvy, but I have an olive and dpm version of the BA bag. I'm more than happy with them, so after you saying about price and weight I'll think I'll leave the dutch one. All the best Steve.
I've just got a ex army gortex bivvy bag. Not used it yet. Got it to use as a stealth camp with a small tarp. Great video. Cheers
Thanks Doug, I used mine just the other day as it happens. With a small tarp on a hillside. Really good night. (Video coming on Friday) Hope you enjoy yours.
ATB
Dan
I like your summary. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks Marcin. It’s my pleasure 👍
Interesting points of view Dan, as you know I've got the Dutch Army Hooped and a USGI bivvy with no hoop but nearly full enclosure, and I have to say I still prefer the Dutch overall, yes it's heavier, but there's a little more room in it, zip up completely so no bugs etc can get in, I've never had condensation with the Dutch but have with the USGI, I love them both though, my first camp after this "Thing" we're going through is going to be a beach camp in the "Dutchy" enjoyed this mate. Lee
They both have merit, I get what your saying about the room inside the hooped one, I just think it’s a little bulky and I may as well use a tent.. but I won’t be getting rid of it.. it is quite cool 😁
Beach camp sounds amazing! I can’t wait to be in the trees.. being at home is starting to get old now. xx
Bivvy bag poncho turn bivvy bag upside down bergan under the hood so you can breathe job done mush! None of the faff of putting a pole and pegging down plus the condensation stick to the standard bivvy bag
Nice video. I agree with everything you said.
Thanks 👍
I modded by British army bivvy by adding a waterproof zip in the middle that matches the centre zip on my snugpak sf sleeping bag making it much easier to get in and out.
I love the centre zip on my army bag, putting one in a bivi would be great.. but if I did it I’m sure it would leak!
Having trouble with the drawstring on mine, it's really hard to pull it in order to cinch down the hood, have you and any issues with that?
@@chk6194 I made a couple of small slits in the drawstring channel allowing you to pull the cord from both sides. It certainly helped
I took my army camo bivi to a tent menders near were I live and had em cut the hood off and put a zip down the centre.. about half way down.. my idea was I use a tarp mostly with it so why worry about the hood, it has the benefit of keeping my head out of the bag reducing any condensation. the tarp can be a micro or 10*13 depending on situation.. or just cowboy camp on a good night.. I like bivying so as I can watch the stars or clouds pass over before I go to sleep...
As always Dan informative and entertaining, Stay safe
Thanks Alan 👍
Hi Dan. Fantastic timing with your video as I spent this Fri and Sat nights in my new (used) British Army Bivi. I did whimp out a bit and put a tarp up as a lean-too just to give me a bit of protection from and dew. I loved it and didn't seem to get any condensation (but was not hooched right down in it). Not sure if I should have tried to sleep with my mat (tried two different ones) inside the bag as I felt it cut down on the space (but that could have been the sleeping bag). A minus point for me (and this looks to be where the Dutch Army scores) was getting in and out - a side or top zip would seem an idea even if only 1/2 length. I have seen a number of bivi mods and wondered if you have tried or perhaps rate any as worth doing. Great review and thanks for keeping them coming. Stay safe.
I wouldn’t trust myself to fit a zip as I’m sure I’d mess it up!
When I sleep in the normal bivi I put my mat under it, I tried it inside once and hated it, way too tight!
When I’ve had bad condensation has been in moist conditions and I’ve buried myself in it. But if you expect it, it doesn’t come as a shock 😁
Thanks for watching Robert
ATB
Dan
If your pole snaps, you can always hold up the hooped section with some paracord and a tree or a implanted stick.
Nice video! I have the dutch and the british army models. But in a summer night in sweden you want the mosquito net, when you look out you see the bastards trying to get in hahaha !
I bet!
I’ve watched many videos and uses of the Dutch Army Hooped Bivi. I knabbed an XL hooped Bivi. Rucksack down inside at the foot. Thus lifting it off you. I set it up in the garden, rucksack at the bottom. Air mat, Carinthia defence 4
It was freezing outside
I lasted 30 minutes couldn’t breathe
Not air in the hoop and sold it,
Just literally today 23/2/2021 had a Dutch m80 Bivi delivered with protected from zip.
So will work with the Carinthia Defence 4
I have the British army bivvi bag and the snugpak stratosphere i wont use them without a basha.
Im waiting on the durch army hooped bivvi coming this week, no doubt il be using me basha with that. Need it up here in the north of scotland 😂
I recently bought a good Dutch hooped bivi and have been practising using it in the house...sleeping in it . I tried with a self-inflating pad underneath which was best. It is a bit claustrophobic until you get used to it and keep a comfort torch inside to you can find the zips quickly ! I hope to use it in bug season on the NC500. I also have a British bivi..but reluctant to use it. I had a friend who got Lymes disease from a tick. He died as a result of it in 2016. I am paranoid about the little critters ! And they say the UK has no dangerous animals !
@@chrischarlton6542 i did think of trying it out in the flat but no peg out! I have the stratosphere, thats a bit of a squeeze lol.
Ticks!! There a nightmare up hee in the north east of scotland. I done eight years in the army, the amount of times spent under canvas! I never had one, now i only have to walk through long grass and i have at least two, puts me off, i was thibking about hammock camping but im running out of space in this upstairs one bedroom flat.
Im very sorry to hear about your fruend.
@@brianbeatens3518 In the house I used some heavy objects to peg out..a bolster hammer and dumbells ..chair legs etc.
@@chrischarlton6542 wish i had the room 🤣🤣
I use a 1982 British Army bivi and swear by it (except when bitten by a fox). It's a tad heavier than the newer gortex but has an inbuilt waterproof bag it folds into. If it rains overnight you can roll over and the bag covers your head, it's a shame they removed it.
Who knows how to spell byvee?
Haha, I didn’t know how to spell it.. that’s why I went for the scatter gun approach to the title!
They are all missing the point of sleeping under the stars "with all your senses". I need a simple bivy with a larger hoop that includes mosquito netting as a first essential. A 12X12 Home Depot tarp will keep the camp and all the gear dryer and organized, Full zipper down the bivy and a nice square sleeping bag for luxury & comfort will make a two or three day base camp you will be happy to come back to at night. There may be bear, cougar or people you want to be keenly aware of... Any help would be appreciated...
I think if you stick a pole in a bivvy bag then you have a tent. Saying that I have a rab ridge master twin hooped job that has a pack size of half of rhe army one in the video and weighs somewhere between the two. Bivvys are great but I don't ever take mine anymore without a lightweight tarp as at my age I don't relish rolling around in the wet trying to get in and out whist trying to keep me and my sleeping bag from getting wet. That then leads to the old argument that for less weight and pack size you can use a small tent. Bivvi and tarp can't be beaten for versatility though, you can't use tents everywhere, I have never found a spot that can't be used by a bivvi and or a tarp. I have quite a few shelters from a cheap lavvu through to high end 5 season mountain tent exotica but if I had to choose one I wall always go my ridge master+tarp, covers 99% of every situation I could ever encounter.
a well thought out comment Dave.
I like tarp camping, and I'm most comfortable under one rather than in a tent, and I like a bivi camp sometimes, but I never see the point of taking a tarp AND bivi because I'm happy just under the tarp. don't get me wrong I have use both together before but it seems a luxury weight wise.
I don't think there is a one set up covers all set up. I like to choose a shelter based on what I'm doing and how I'm feeling on the day.
hope you are keeping well
Dan
good job like always dan!
Thanks 😊
Good video. With the exception that they are way more expensive and not everyone has money to burn, there are zero other advantages to a bivi bag versus a good lightweight tent imo.
Thanks.
horses for courses, I think they suit certain situations, but they are certainly not ever a comfortable night sleep : )
Good comparison
Cheers mate. 👍
Hi Dan, Good vid. A few thoughts to ponder. Doesn't the Dutch Bivi have an inbuilt mossie net? Also I have the old and the new British Army bivi bags and the new MTP one is lighter and packs better. As far as condensation, can be reduced by not putting cover over your head, hence not breathing into the bag. Hope that helps. Just subscribed :)
Hey Paul, no there is no built in net on the Dutch bivi or at least not on mine.
Not putting the hood over your head sounds a sensible idea for less condensation, weather permitting obviously!
Someone suggested straight up bivi with an umbrella over the head end for the rain.. I quite like that idea myself.
Thanks for subscribing, it really helps and I appreciate it.
Be well mate
Dan
@@CampLifeBushcraft Hey Dan, I just wanted to let you know that usually the Dutch bivy bag has a mosquito net (my friend has one issued). I think this is actually the best feature about it! Also great video :)
Cheers,
Gerard
Just found you dam fine common sense... Is it ok to sleep with it done right up? Thinking enough air to breath...
Yes, Gortex is treatable and supposedly lets body and breath vapour out while keeping bigger moisture molecules out.
I have slept with my hooped bivi done up due to rain.. it wasn't pleasant but it was ok.
This one is fairly recent if you're interested ruclips.net/video/VqChBheDXdY/видео.htmlsi=EvjnSjfsXkQ33tUa
The dog chose the hooped bivi. That’s what I’m going with
Thanks for the review, I’ll stick with my tent 🏕👍
Probably wise 👍
Excellent!
Thanks bud 😁👍
Hi Dan hope you and your family are well? Not tried a bivvi myself and not really my cup of tea if I am honest but a great comparison for if I change my mind, thanks for sharing and stay safe. Atb Stuart
Hey Stu, I hope you’re feeling better mate.
We are doing ok here, other than the cabin fever. 👍
Hello my darrrrlingggg, I prefer the first one it’s look more easy to in and out because of the zipper, the other one look uncomfortable, 😅😅😅
Hello! How are you doing?
They’re both good in different ways, both have kept me dry xxx
Camp Life bushcraft
Hello I’m fine and all the family,
How are you and the family???
They send me the food safety level 2 and I’ve done it and I have the certificate ok
We are all fine thanks, a little bored at times but we’re all healthy.
Well done for doing the test 👍
Camp Life bushcraft
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Really no need to stake out the hooped bivy tbh, just put the pole in it and you're done. Also saves weight in not having stakes.
For me, the hoopes bivy is the best i.m.o. I don't use a tarp with it and I can set it up ANYWHERE + I'll stay well hidden. If the bivy bag has no holes, you can even light a flashlight on the inside without the light being visible from the outside
When I weighed it I didn’t have the pegs in the bag.
I’ve nothing against the hooped one, I like them both. I just prefer the normal one a little more.
Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it.
Dan
Camp Life bushcraft Yes, but if you bring them it does increase the weight of the bivy :D
If its sunny, warm weather and condensation is an issue anyway, why would you even use a bivvy at all? Why not a ground sheet?
Genuine question, never used a bivvy, but interested
You get dew in the evening and morning times and the bivi protects your sleeping bag from it. And if your anything like me you roll around in your sleep, chances are I’d wake up nowhere near my groundsheet! Those are my guesses anyway.
Great video, thanks.
You’re welcome, thank you for watching 👍
There is no difference in space putting the matrass inside or outside the bivvybag. The hoop stays at the same hight.
Outdoor research Gore Tex alpine bivvy 560g job done,.If you’ve got the money.£300.Thanx for the vid.
Have You ever use bivi during winter time?
Nice comparison
Thanks Steve.
Hell with it ill just sleep in a bin liner
Not a bad video at all, I use a bivy and tarp almost exclusively and have a few to choose from. The Canadian Army one (virtually the same as the green British one), the USGI one (woodland and digital grey) and the 2GoSystems Velar. They are all awesome imho and I'll likely add more to the collection in the future. I haven't tried a hooped bivy yet, maybe in the future I will get the chance.
Thanks bud, yeah the hooped are good, its just the pack size that puts me off.
Is the Brit Bivy Goretex?
Yes it is 👍
The hooped Bivi comes into its own when you need a piss!
Houdini himself couldn't open the zip.
@@fintonmainz7845 not had a problem yet after using it on a ten day trip.
bug protection snugpack stratosphere
Just skip these go for a phoxx 2, Banshee or similar.
Dan,how many grams make a pound,or 16 oz make a pound...?haha thanks lol!
Kenneth Walker 28 grams is 1 once.. roughly 500 grams is a pound. 👍
Ok Dan thanks,wife said why don't I look it up on google !!
Always a wise guy in the crowd (woman )
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You wouldn't fit tink in them. Take a point off for that. 😀
Good point! Didn’t think of that. 😝
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