This is a BIG problem 😧 | S06E02
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- Our most immediate goal right now is to get Atticus II to a more affordable location (probably North Carolina) where we can begin our mini-refit to transform our boat from a weekend cruiser to an off-grid expedition sailboat. In order to leave the dock, we have some engine issues to tackle. What initially seemed like a small issue turns out to be a lot larger than we expected...
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I used to be a helicopter mechanic, and it taught me that problems inflating like that are a *good* thing. The reality is that those other issues were already there, and if there hadn't been anything to keep you poking, you wouldn't have found them until you were in the middle of nowhere!
Helicopter mechanics do preventive maintenance. Parts replaced by time on part/or just plain time. Boaters seem to react to problems after they develop.
@@markwylam5213 There's plenty of reaction in aviation, too. A lot of the bigger problems that don't show up during regular checks appear because of something further down the chain breaking.
Hello from SE Alabama. I was a ARMY aviator (retired now) and sincerely appreciated our military maintenance folks. If they have input on a mechanical issue you might want to listen to them. They kept me alive for a number of years and I thank God for their service. Really enjoying your adventures.
@@dustoff1472 Retired Marine aviator. I always said that I was smart enough to fly them, but not smart enough to fix them. Some things are best left to the professionals.
@@dustoff1472 you’re welcome. 67N 1/214th.
It's actually a good thing you found this before you got into some foul weather and need to use the engine.
Nice job. Future reference Boeshield T9 aerosol. WD40 is not a good lubricant, it is mostly solvent and disappears. Boeshield is a lube and a tenacious coating especially perfect for aluminum castings like that control hub. Boeing developed. (Airplanes, aluminum, harsh conditions). Must have on the boat.
Hey. The comments about finding the problems now versus later are spot on. One thing - I noticed you filling your tanks without runninf the water being put on board through a physical filter. No matter how much you trust your source of supply, please always use a physical filter. Your tanks and, eventually, your tummies will thank you. Also, please an on-board UV filter for any water you are going to ingest. I mentioned the Acuva LED UV filter we have had on our boat for years, but there are many others available. At best, boat water tanks create a questionable environment for water you want to drink. Don't take a chance, even in the USA. And definitely not in more remote areas.
Glad to see that I am not the only mechanic that photographs the stuff I work on before I take it apart 😁
It’s your positive attitude that keeps you guys afloat.
You are so lucky to find and be able to fix these problems before you return to cruising. I think you are doing a great job of presenting your trials, tribulations, and success as an interesting video story. I look forward to each and every episode. Thanks for your hard work!
Full credit to you for understanding and explaining about the survey
The thought process is there. Experience and knowledge that you have makes it ok.
WD 40 is a DE Greaser. If that cable needs oil or lubricant, use a proper grease or oil.
WD40 is a water displacement spray, not to be confused with degreaser
What went wrong went so right...........love your positive attitude !
I have found with some considerable experience buying used boats, that the owner using equipment, like the throttle/gearshift does not recognize the problem because it gets worse slowly over time and if you are lucky enough to not experience catastrophic failure that does not mean it is not coming. You did exactly the right thing, identify the potential, and go step by step digging deeper, calling in help as you need it, to get to the bottom of the problem. Surveys only identify what could be a problem, not every little this that is wrong.
Keep going this is a truly beautiful boat, and you two have the character to make it the "Bad Ass" off grid world sailor you dream it will be.
I liked that you mentioned about the limitations and functions of what a surveyor does. Great information and I appreciate that you included this this week's episode in your video.
Having lived in environments where getting a Hot Shower was a thing of the past and a dream for the future, I so totally understand how you feel. I never take having that luxury for granted. You all are awesome.
Probably too late, but on that chrome tube you cut, I do hope you reamed and polished it to a fare thee well inside and out. Secondarily, those usually have a plastic bushing that covers the top of the tube and goes inside an inch or so to protect the cables. As it is missing, gives you a reason to suspect other short cuts by the PO.
Good advice Mark ... as possibly original/previous installation was done using a wheeled pipe cutter which turns edges inward (great and handy for fluid pipe fitting, not so good as a cable conduit) and may have precluded plastic bushing fitting.
Hello to both of y’all. , I love what you are doing. Very inspiring to me. Also I enjoy fixing up boats. One important thing I have learned with my father , is that the diesel powered boat that my Poppa bought last , we immediately replaced the Morse shifter and throttle cables with Yamaha outboard cables. , here is why. Most throttle and shifter cables are telescopic. Which don’t make sharp turns or bends well, without kinking .The Yamaha cables are a braided stainless wire , We would first run our pull line , then take out the existing cables lay them on the dock and measure them precisely, take the measurements to our local Yamaha dealer and they have always had what we needed on site . We did this on two of the 3 Topazes, 1 38 black fin and a 33 L&H. If we knew about it sooner we would have done it on every boat before that. I hope I could help a lil. You have certainly helped me to get motivated to finish my house projects , with the view of selling or renting out , then buying a sailboat to live and travel on Thank you Mark p Landry. 45 mins south west of New Orleans, 25 mins from the coast :)
Hey you guys! I emailed you too, Deltaville Va. Stingray point Marina. Deltaville has, in bike riding distance, a west marine, a killer hardware store, sailmaker, great canvas maker, a killer DIY boatyard, almost anything you’d need for a diesel, it’s literally refit heaven! Our Crealock 37 cost us $3800 a YEAR, including power, water and Dockbox. Great bathrooms, pool, clubhouse. It’s a killer place to refit. Just letting you know. Stoked for you guys! Peace Curtis
How did a landlocked non-boat person get here? All I know is that I was watching Cecelia Blomdahl on Svalbard and they visited with Sailing Uma so I started watching Sailing Uma, from the beginning, for days and days and days, then they met up with Project Atticus and had a hilarious and awesome competition and now I’m subscribed to TWO sailing channels, yet boats and the ocean USED TO scare the crap out of me! Congratulations on Atticus II you guys, she’s beautiful! I think it’s so cool that you’re going to continue your adventurous lifestyle with some little ones!
Im a veteran of 25 years in broadcast TV and the film industry. Your videos are very well done and I got hooked on your adventures. I stayed up till 2am last evening watching to see how the transmission problem was solved! Crazy! I don't sail, but have been before. What is amazing is how calm and collected you both are facing every hurdle you encounter. I know you may not always feel that way, but your attitude and how you attack your "Projects" makes for great TV.
Classic demonstration of boating snowballing, going from 'its only a cable' to 'transmission rebuild'. Think we've all been there and it really sucks and usually happens just when the bank balance is just about at zero! Hope it all worked out for you at a reasonable price, and if that's the only major thing wrong then you bought yourself a good boat...
Your broker,surveyor and other “experts” let you down. If possible issues on sea trials are found, an amount of funds should have been held back until issue was found, repaired, and paid for from that retained money. Brokers and surveyors are just looking for a check with their name on it. They did not protect you as best as they should. I am a retired marina owner operator. You hire them. They are there to protect you not the seller. I don’t mean to be negative however I am sorry the transmission was not addressed properly in writing and funds that were set aside to help offset the costs of repair if necessary
It’s still a beautiful boat and will serve you well
Gearboxes for yachts aren’t the most difficult and spare parts are available everywhere. So just have a good mechanic service it and please check first whether the lever is stuck to the axle and not only rotating arround it!
Can’t wait for the result!
It's better to break at the dock than in the middle of the ocean 👍 yesireebob
Just finished watching your latest video and in reality this is the sort of problem that you need before you continue your voyage - as you said "at least you are still in the US!" When you are in one of the south islands you may not have access to the most knowledgeable help and parts availability. We have an old (1980) Prout Cat and we have done our travelling knowing that something is going to break in the future so since somebody built this we better know how to fix it. I think you are on the right path to get help from qualified people who will show you the way to tackle a task. We had to rebuild our drive leg and the only help we could get was a copy of the service manual! The most interesting boater videos to us are the project and problem solving so keep up the good work and fair winds. Susan and Rick, SV Othergoose
Words are powerful. They say words were spoken and used to create this world. Might want to look at your name. "Project"
The shift lever assembly at the transmission box can be easily removed and check for the detent spring or mechanism that keeps the fork in its neutral position. I believe the spring failed..I emailed you more details with the full shop repair manual, not the service manual. Lack of lubing over the years made have created additional friction in that detent mechanism hence leading up to spring failure..Be sure to check the lever travel for F and R as specified in the manual...
Congratulations on the newer sailboat...there is always something to fix...that's goes with it...Sail On...
Yall have more nice things to say about your surveyor than I do mine.
Been enjoying you two for 2 years, love you, and love watching you rise in the YT sailing rankings. You're doing everything right, and well. Keep it up.
G'day Atticus, it's unfortunate to see you have to put more time and money into the Pacific Seacrest. At least you're at home in the States when this happened and not on passage, crossing the Pacific!!! However, it wouldn't be a "boat" if it didn't require additional work. It's inevitable :) Once you buy a boat, regardless if it's new or used, there's always something that will require attention ~ that's just normal, when living the "boat life!" Working or repairing your boat ~ is a activity that will unfortunately never end. Good luck with your transmission. I hope it's an easy fix. Cheers from Western Australia 🇦🇺.
One way to reduce transmission problems is to NEVER shift your transmission without the motor running. NEVER!!!! Evidently - no one told you. You were destroying your transmission and linkage as you were "testing" it. Undoubtedly the guy before you did the same thing. On the hard - have someone turn the prop by hand while testing your transmission. Alternatively, run the motor with a water cooling source (can cause hydro lock and destroy your engine if not done properly.)
Guys I can't tell you how much I relate when it comes to my boat projects! When I think I have an easy fix or solution it turns into a much bigger problem to resolve. I have a task oriented personality and when they go south I get extremely frustrated. I'm learning to breath and relax and move slowly forward. Jordan you are my role model when it comes to watching you handle these frustrating situations. Not sure if you edit your frustration out of the clips, but I'm usually jumping up and down, which I call the "F" dance. Thanks for sharing and I'm glad I became a patron recently! All the best
I do the same thing, an old log trucker
You guys can be on a paradise Island, or fixing up your boat at the marina, but the immense pleasure of watching your videos is always the same. Love watching you guys and certainly helps to prepare myself mentally for when I will own a boat ! Keep up with the good attitude and hard work, and cheers from Montreal.
Well I’m glad you were able to get it fixed yes and things eventually worked out we know that there’s always work that needs to be done yes this is a true statement.Hopefully when all the important tasks are completed you will be able to safely enjoy your adventure to North Carolina with no hiccups
The problem is not with the surveyor or the survey. The problem is with the buyers. I'm not being critical of you because it is so easy to do and so common, but your were so in love with the boat that you were willing to overlook and minimize the importance of what should have been big red flags in the survey. I hope you have had the alternator removed and taken to a shop that can put it on a test bench and check it out thoroughly and rebuild it if necessary. These problems are bad where you are know but just imagine how bad they will be in a place like Panama or worse.
Good help with the right tools... 👍🏻 👏🏻
Welcome to Boat Repair Project Atticus.
Jordan: Thanks for the explanation wrt the limits of boat surveys. It's reasonable to expect that if you buy a 15+ year old boat, there will always be some unforeseen maintenance and repair issues. Even if the boat appears to be in Bristol condition, there will almost always be something wrong with it. And as often as not, even the current owner will be unaware of the problems.
It’s amazing how much a surveyor misses. It’s nice to see you both have a positive attitude and you are so knowledgeable and capable. You do have a great boat.
You have to call Rick at East coast Marine Transmissions in Hew Jersey. He is the best. He knows Yanmar transmissions better then anyone. Great guy and reasonable.
i'm still so far behind. Love this episode. You all are amazing. 200 plus K and that many problems. wow
Y’all look so happy now even though the repairs. But like others said better here than way offshore in a squall! I’m not a subscriber person. However I’ve been watching “youse guys” since I retired last year. I’m just an old day sailor living my dream through y’all. So I subscribed, and yours is my only one. Your adventure of finding a new boat finally sucked me in.
I had watched your vid labeled something about”pirate” or friendly. Made me hope you take personal safety and protection more seriously before heading for Panama and points beyond. When you’re way way out and call for help the only thing the authorities will do is clean up the mess and alert next of kin. YOU have to defend yourself.
‘Nuf said’. Stay safe and keep makin’ vids !!! 💕y’all!
Love the colors of the boat.
Thanks guys, from a retired marine surveyor, for your commentary at the end of the video. 33 years in the business was enough, and after about 10 of them, I moved away from pre-purchase work into insurance claim and accident investigation work exclusively. Also, welcome to the Pacific Seacraft family - perhaps we'll cross paths out there someday. We're on Jo Beth, a 1984 Pacific Seacraft 34.
Oriental is the best place in the world!! Sailcraft Services is a FANTASTIC boatyard too. The hardest thing about Oriental is saying, "Goodbye."
Man for a 250k boat all these issues make me feel really good about my 50k Pearson 424 🤓
You would think with all the money and surveys, they wouldn't have to do anything. Might as well buy a junker for cheap and then do the yard.
My boat has been in the shop since Oct. 23. It’s the nature of the beast. But being able to smile about it and realize that’s how boats are is the victory.
Ians advice "shift arm was moving without actuating, you should have first checked if the key on the shaft had sheared" is good advice.
Further, If the shift arm was moving and actuating but no neutral indent then the problem could be seized/ broken neutral indent spring and or pin within the cam. That's an easy fix that you can do yourself. Anyways, I hope it works out ok for you guys and am looking forward to hearing about the fix.
Transmission woes
Your methodical approach to your shifting problems was good but you missed a few key clues along the way. Moving the shift cable pin to the inside hole without checking for free articulation as you found out resulted in a bent shift cable. The next step should have been to move the shift cable anchor to the next set of holes on the cable mounting plate, I believe I saw a second set in the video. Most marine transmissions have a series of holes on the cable mounting plate, if yours does not you can easily add a few holes with an electric drill. Remove the plate, yours came out with the transmission, holes should be spaced just a bit closer than the range of adjustment offered by the threaded cable end resulting in a geometry that will permit neutral and full forward and reverse adjustment. Changing the helm control or rebuilding the transmission can’t fix bad geometry! Next you noticed the helm chafing, good call, but did you check for burring at both ends of the stainless steel tube at the helm. A few swipes of a deburring tool or a rat tail file will clean up the transition from tube to shift control. Good call using string on the control cables, but did you check for sharp edges and bends along the way? Round off any sharp corners and secure the cables in such a way to make wide sweeping turns with the cable. Problem areas can be given a cover of rubber hose or pex plastic water tube as strain reliefs. Don’t give up on the control box, the problem is with the cable geometry and chafing. Last when you noticed that the shift arm was moving without actuating, you should have first checked if the key on the shaft had sheared ( this is external of the transmission and is a simple check). Hope I didn’t come across as too negative, I really enjoy your videos and am looking forward to seeing you sailing again. PS I am a commercial fisherman working off Long Island for the past 46 years. 😀
Hi Ian. I wish I have you as a friend if I ever succeed in buying a boat. You provide so many good advices.
Crealock was a wizard of design. All of your repairs have been super accessible.
Hello, I love your sailing channel. You most likely lost the shift lever detent. When you move the shift arm on the outside of the transmission back and forth, it moves a shift rod inside the transmission. Attached to the shift rod is a large crescent shaped shift fork. The shift fork slides a gear back and forth to shift between Forward, Neutral and Reverse. It’s actually a very simple system.
To prevent the shift rod and shift fork from accidentally popping out of or into gear, there is a ball bearing and a small heavy duty spring on the shift rod which “Detents” the shift rod in the neutral position. If the detent spring breaks or the detent ball bearing flattens, you will lose detent and the external shift arm will move freely back and forth without the positive lock into neutral which you were feeling before it broke. It’s an easy fix.
9:42 bless you, sneezer!
Your string idea was very smart and I use video and pictures
Dataw Island Marina located on Edisto Beach, SC has professional staff, full-service marina, and restaurant on a private island. There is deep water in and out, eliminating one of the major problems on the Atlantic Coast. Please research this possibility, opposed to Oriental.
Classic scope-creep. Story of my life with sailing. Good luck guys. Wise words on surveys.
No worries, it's a beautiful boat, fix the issues, upgrade and sail away. You both seem much happier with this new awesome boat.
Oriental is a good choice. Our boat is currently at Sailcraft getting hurricane (Isaiah) repairs. When those are complete she will go to their DIY yard for a complete refit. Best of luck.
I refitted a boat at Wayfarers Cove right near Oriental - but anywhere near Oriental is great they are a fantastic boating community.
I had the same problem with articulation. I filed a small angle to allow the fixing to articulate more and that solved my problem. But, you also had a problem with the cable chafing. Great vlog, great boat.
For the rubbing throttle cables look into plastic conduit bushings. You might find one to fit there and it should reduce the rubbing and keep sharp edges away from it. Best part of all they are not expensive.
Good job. Love your attitude. And yes, you accurately described the role of a surveyor.
I am so happy for you two. You are genuinely proud and grateful for all you ha e and it comes across in a way that is so gracious.
David Caudill is actually an old army buddy, glad to see you guys giving hi love, you guys are good people,that’s why I watch😁
Boat projects are like beers, 1 leads to 2, 2 leads to 6, and 6 leads to 12.
I just want to say there is never "too much information" on the disassembly side. That abundance of caution is warranted. Nothing like trying to piece back together a puzzle from memory.
Before you know you will have everything taken care of and on your way south! Hang in there and enjoy your beautiful new boat🥰
Excellent description of what a throttle feels like.
You lovely new boat is lucky to have you ! Thanks liz
McCotter's Marina, Washington NC. Cheaper than Oriental (which is an hour away by car). Great, friendly work yard. Good staff and good rates. Laid back. Extremely well protected, up the Pamlico River. Decent depth. Good little town with a West Marine and a Lowes and a bunch of machine shops, and some decent restaurants. You should check it out.
honeymoon yatch buzz is aweome enjoy ;-)
20yrs later still giving life back to the catalina..
your boat has a great head start big smiles congrats!
Just a thought: Oriental is quaint. Annapolis is fully equipped…
That's where Sailing SV Delos did a mini refitting and save a lot of MONEY buy DIY (doing it yourself) they said doing it in Annapolis they saved $45K ON A MINI REFIT ! good luck !
@@nealchristensen1793 yep! DIY Projects usually go so much better when good suppliers are close by…
Loving the blues
For the throttle and shift cable chaff I would try to find conduit antishort bushing .....we use them in the electrical world all the time... its a plastic bushing to protect the insulation on cables
This video is a cliff hanger. How can you do that? :) This is the only channel where a transmistion can have me on the edge of my chair.
Owning a boat is always full of unexpected issues. It is part of yachting life and cannot be predicted, only dealt with as they occur. Don't let minor issues spoil your sailing life. Smile, most issues are lack of maintenance or improper installation or repair. Look around you and just smile about where your are and how many would give almost anything to be in your dockers.
I love your positive attitudes! Knowing the value of your boat and not getting bogged down with the issues you have been finding really shows how you two can overcome difficulties and have what it takes to make boat life work! SO INSPIRING!
Worked on a couple of 'small' (26 to 88 foot) boats on various ships in the USN, and most seem to have that wonderful 'not quite out of gear' deal. I learned that when they say to maintain the cables (and slush them with grease) they are NOT kidding. Stainless, cables and as much grease as you can get into the housings. I would also stock (permanently) at least ONE set of the rubber accordion deals too. P.S. I might think about making myself a PTFE bushing (it is easy to machine/cut) to go inside the housing then feed the cables/housings in there.
You guys look very happy , hope everything goes smoothly and happy sailing soon.
The ups and downs of owning your new boat.
Hi Guys, good video as always! Well the wife and I had to laugh when Jordan said maybe you should take up camping. We bought a Sea Ray Cruiser, needed shift cables, needed a shifter, needed an engine, yadda yadda yadda. Sold the boat and we just ordered a brand new camper! Miss the boat bad but I think we'll have fun CAMPING. By the way, we're friends with John Yates too! Fellow ski patroller
Good luck with everything guys!
Your videos are so well produced. The camera angles, the cinematography. One of you must have a background I video production.
Well, every older boat has it’s issues and your way to handle it is great. And that boat is gorgeous!
You guys have a good handle on things. It’s a pleasure to follow your journey.🙂
My take.... You did exactly the right amount on your own. You got in an expert (hard though that was to swallow) at exactly the right time.
Retired auto tech. Tried to find that diagram for what looks like kbw21 gear box. Trying to look at in video. Looks simple enough compared to automotive trans. That “moon” thing is a shift fork. Good luck.
Thanks so much for the video! I am dealing with the same problem . My transmission shifting arm is moving without resistance too. I am planing on pulling the transmission this week. Can’t wait for the next video!! Thanks again!
As a professional mechanic, I find it interesting that the "mechanic" who took the transmission off (which you totally could have done yourself) didn't pull the transmission apart to diagnose the failed part. I don't pretend to know everything but it sounds and looks like a broken shift fork or it's not attached to the shift lever. Good luck, it doesn't sound like you'll need to invest in new roller blades for another channel just yet. 😉
^ Times 2...shift detent/cam is my guess. You have a blow-up, time and a source of parts & advise, time for learning an on the ocean emergency repair.
You didn't show it, but surely you chamfered the inner edge of the pipe to reduce chafing. Also get some white lithium spray grease. WD-40 is OK for cleaning, not for lube or preventing oxidation.
Good thing it happened before you started your cruise.
I really like your strong positive attitude. It’s a blessing that the problems you find now are easier to fix because your in the U.S. where as and as you well know would be much more difficult in most other places. I’ll probably lose man points for this but, more shower scenes please, lol... I’d forgotten that the original Atticus didn’t have an normal shower.
Well sad to hear but as everyone has said better now than later. Love watching the projects and I sure both of you will be glad when you are moving south again.
Love your excitement...
So glad you are knocking this out now.
Actually, the survey found the issue. Nobody investigated further. Everyone thought it was just a cable adjustment issue.
Hey, you guys got a great boat! Don’t be discouraged by these start up problems.
You will work your way through them, Great Boat, you didn’t go wrong.
Thanks for the smiles
When I got on line this evening and found you had published a video for us, I was glad! THEN I saw that over 50K viewers had beat me to it, I was amazed! In less than 12 hours you had so many viewers waiting to see how you did! HOW do you keep that from going to your heads? Humility is the answer and the reason you have so many followers! Thanks for that!
I recently watched a video from precision transmission channel and was just overwhelmed by how many parts there were and how casually the guy talked about all the parts as he disassembled one. I guess that comes with years of experience tearing down and assembling transmissions. Definitely give that job to a reliable mechanic.
That transmission looks like a motorcycle transmission, it looks harder then it is. Actually pretty simple to take apart and reassemble.
Put a rubber or plastic ring around the top of the post and the cables won't chaffe
I don't have to tell you guys about boat projects but I haven't seen you guys this happy, maybe ever? I'm glad that you guys are feeling it. Looking forward to see future video.
Thanks for the tip on evernote! You have bought a new home. Learning all about all the systems and what works (or doesn't) is part of the growth. This boat has systems you only dreamed about in Atticus 1! The learning curve will go on for a while! Its going to be a good trip with lots of adventures! I can't wait!👏👌👍⛵🌏
this is like soap opera boat repair