Finally! Everyone I've asked, even at local bike shops either couldn't explain it well, or not at all. And it's so simple! Thanks for the clear explanation.
@@dbs2428 that's a good thing. Front derailleur never worked and was noisy 😂 I love 1x12 and 1x11 Shimano. Very good products and work even in British mood 😂👌🏻
I just bought my new full-suspension eMTB this year in February 2024 with Boost hubs. It's now July, and I'm glad I found this video because I've had multiple answers, and a couple even said you can run non-Boost on a Boost setup. But after watching this video, there's no way I would ever try that! 😂 Thanks! My friend bought a hardtail eMTB with 29-inch wheels (non-Boost). My Cube Action Team is the long-travel 160 version with 27.5-inch wheels. I was wanting to test a mullet setup with his 29er on the front, but I'm not even going to attempt that now! Have to say though i still love my 27.5in to the 29ers
It was 26 inch wheels 10 years ago, now it's 29. Di2 came up, but Sram Eagle has more gears. Carbon is the new base frame, but titanium is cooler. Ceramic balls everywhere to save 1,2 watts. Kashima because it's golden.... and then boost was invented for people who suffer from soft wheelsets.
they just make new things incompatible with old ones so you have to upgrade everything everytime. im sticking with my 2009 stumpy and just deal with the 26 wheel and old geometry. still works fine
Thank you! Trying to buy a truck bed fork mounted rack and I was having a hell of a time figuring out if i needed the 15 mm or 15 mm boost adapter for my 2019 Trek Fuel EX 8 (newbie here). 15 mm boost it is!
I'm converting a 2008 Stumpjumper (3x9 drivetrain) to a SRAM GX Eagle 12-Speed Groupset GXP; Should I elect for boost or not, and should I consider upgrading the wheels overall for better compatibility? The fattest tire I can get on the rear is 2.35".
Can the new sram DUB system be use with or without boost? If I use boost in the front crank area, do I have to change to boost in the rear? I was told by a few vendors that I have to use boost on both!
I recently purchased a 2019 norco fluid ht ht2 the stock hubs are like 30$ and just not great at all being that there 9x141 qr in the rear im left scratching my head in search for an upgrade thats not pushing $300 just for the hub aka hope pro 4 and dt swiss 350 with qr inserts to make it 9x141. Anyone know of other options for rear hubs that have the option to change the end caps 132 qr norco referred to stans no tubes but I cant seem to find just hubs on there website.
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Wald Chiller - That is just cynical. Was the mountain bike developed to make road riding more expensive? NO, it was and remains a way of riding with better equipment for the terrain being traversed. Boost makes your wheels into better-constructed, longer-lasting investments. The 135 hollow axle is 35 year old technology; how old is your favourite off-road bike?
i haven´t used boost ever and i used to do DH in 1998 and hucking and never broke wheels. i will not change my fork, wheels etc just for 10 mm diffrence
So stop listening to it and just do and ride however you want. This commercialized fad gimmick culture of cash grabbing from idiots has now ruined every hobby. It’s hard to find decent new gear for anything, specially that isn’t overpriced so I just buy used stuff from the yeasts before everyone became an overindulgent mental infant.
I'm still so confused 😕 I'm looking to buy a zeb (boost) fork for my standard specialized levo. The bike comes with a 15 x 110 hub but doesn't state its boost spacing. The comp actually states it is. So I'm guessing if I put the forks on the caliper and rotor won't line up ? Is it a simple spacing adaptor for the rotor ? This is a minefield! Thanks in advance
I've seen lots of bikes that have 27.5 + boost. Are there bikes with 29" tires + boost? So when looking for a used bike, lets say I want boost, am I searching for 27.5 + boost AND 29 + boost?
So... I won't be able to install a boost rear hub/wheel on my standard 142mm frame. Correct? How can I ugrade my bike to a 1x12 with a 142mm frame on the back?
A 148 hub needs a 148 frame. You can squeeze a 148 hub into a 142 frame and a 142 into a 148 but you will void your warranty and stress the frame so essentially no, you need to match boost frames with boost hubs and boost chainrings or cranks.
So now I guess the question is, can a bike that didn't come with a boost wheel set use a boost wheelset? I have a 27.5 GT Aggressor Pro and I am looking to get rid of the stock wheel set and I'm not sure what to go with or even if I could put a boost wheel set on it.
Wider hub flanges, with a more equalised spoke bracing angle on the rear wheel, helps strengthen the wheel. It's like putting up a radio mast and then tethering it with wires either side. The further apart they are tied to the ground, the less likely the mast is to buckle.
If you imagine a rear hub which was ridiculously narrow (just to highlight this point), say 5mm wide, then the spokes on both sides of the wheel would be almost vertical and would be prone to bending. As the hub flanges are placed further apart a triangle is formed with the hub being the base and the spokes being the sides. This triangle is less able to deform the wider the base (I.e. hub width). This is especially advantageous for mountain bike rear wheels which may experience significant sideways loading. Maybe this allows the use of lighter rims for the same strength? I can see that it is a technical improvement which means that it is easier to produce a wheel with extra strength without needing anything new. But well built MTB wheels are possible with older hubs. Stiffness is not always the most desirable feature with wheels. I built my 29er wheels about 8 years ago with double-butted DT Swiss spokes and when I'm going flat-out on twisty singletrack I feel the rear flex slightly under sideways forces. I would rather it flexed slightly than pulled the spoke nipple through the rim which is what my previous Kona-built wheel did. I'd recommend to anyone that is thinking of new wheels to find a wheel builder to discuss your needs with. I have thought about this frequently as I've wondered if full-suss bikes don't need a rear wheel as strong as a hard-tail because there is less of an impulse shock to the wheel when you hit a bump due to the suspension? I'd be interested to hear anyone else's comments.
What a meravillouse improvement, casually any improvement means to change: frame, fork, wheels... in short the entire bike. Casually the technicians never develop cheap improvements.
So if I buy new forks that are boost (original are not, neither is the rear) can I run boost on the front and not the back without affecting the handling in a bad way?
"aww yes finally. im so sick of taco-ing my rims. my 100mm spacing 15mm through axle pike fork is SO unstable i can't even ride" says nobody. wider hubs are stupid. just more weight because more material is needed for the fork crown and hub.
Still makes zero sense to me. I have a 3x9 (27 speed) with what used to be quick release levers. Do boost hubs work in old bikes, or only new frames designed with wider forks and stays?
What about the crenkset it needs to be wider? And if a "boost crankset" is wider is the bottom bracket also wider on a bike made for the boost standards? I dont get it. XD
This a late reply, but I want to say Thanks! You saved me from making a costly mistake because I plan to put a 27.5 wheel onto a 2000 suspension fork. Now I know not to buy a wheel that is boost.
Great video, thank you! You guys are so much better than the marketing channels GCN and GMBR or whatever, all they do is sell shit. You guys actually teach useful information.
i haven´t used boost ever and i used to do DH in 1998 and hucking and never broke wheels. i will not change my fork, wheels etc just for 10 mm diffrence
i reality "boost" is nothing more than new standard that bike manufacturers made to take more money from customers. Even so some bike brands made trail bike with SUPER BOOST like Pivot bikes on their Switchblade model, which is downhill hub on trail bike ...so 1 more way to take more money from us. Same story goes with new wheels 27,5+, new handlebar and stem standard and so on...
And it is easy to see that if you go back in time to 1990-2000 which is probably the most progressive decade for bikes and the Mountain Bike came truly into being. During the 90s there was such rapid development in MTBs that by 2000 you could get a decent MTB for around $600 that would be comparable or better to a $1000 bike from 1995. In the Early 2000s you could get the most bang for the buck when it came to bikes so there had to be a reason for someone to spend at least a $1000. I do think that boost is of a rip off because I don't think it really cost that much more more to make wheels with wider spaced hub flanges and a frame with wider spaced drop outs.
Yeah, same. I'm about to start overhauling my bike that had 26's and I don't understand if "boost" will make a difference for me or not. And if I buy products boost compatible, will my frame tolerate the difference?
Finally! Everyone I've asked, even at local bike shops either couldn't explain it well, or not at all. And it's so simple! Thanks for the clear explanation.
Very informative. I didn't know what "boost" was and ran into many eBay listings mentioning it. Thank you.
I'm studying bikes for last few weeks. I was really really into bikes in 90s and 00s but today all this bike business is just fucking crazy 🤯
right? recently got back into riding again and I think the biggest change that surprised me was everyone running 1x (no front derailleur)
Same
@@dbs2428 that's a good thing. Front derailleur never worked and was noisy 😂 I love 1x12 and 1x11 Shimano. Very good products and work even in British mood 😂👌🏻
When I bought my mountain bike with boost I thought it meant I would have a nitrous tank to boost my speed
Lolz 🤣
Lmaoo
Same
Awesome explanation, that helped clear it up for me.
like you didnt know that before :D
Haha, I am so not technical about stuff. I just ride 'em! Trying to learn more and more.
Boom, 2mins vid cleared up 2yrs wondering WTF is boost 😂🤙🏼
I just bought my new full-suspension eMTB this year in February 2024 with Boost hubs. It's now July, and I'm glad I found this video because I've had multiple answers, and a couple even said you can run non-Boost on a Boost setup. But after watching this video, there's no way I would ever try that! 😂 Thanks! My friend bought a hardtail eMTB with 29-inch wheels (non-Boost). My Cube Action Team is the long-travel 160 version with 27.5-inch wheels. I was wanting to test a mullet setup with his 29er on the front, but I'm not even going to attempt that now! Have to say though i still love my 27.5in to the 29ers
A simple explanation is always the best way to go. Thanks
Thank you. It takes some effort to prepare simple and clear explanations like this one.
"HOPEfully this will clear things up." I see what you did there...
To this day still helpful. Thanks again 👍
To represent an angle it's helpful to show two straight lines with an arc between them.
I like the concept of wider flanges...especially needed for 29-inch wheels.
Thank you, i feel better knowing this, i was clueless before during mtb conversations
It was 26 inch wheels 10 years ago, now it's 29. Di2 came up, but Sram Eagle has more gears. Carbon is the new base frame, but titanium is cooler. Ceramic balls everywhere to save 1,2 watts. Kashima because it's golden.... and then boost was invented for people who suffer from soft wheelsets.
they just make new things incompatible with old ones so you have to upgrade everything everytime. im sticking with my 2009 stumpy and just deal with the 26 wheel and old geometry. still works fine
Hello and big THANK for an excellent explanation! Very good and clear! Wishing you all well sir! /Charl
Extremely helpful! Thank you!
Clear and concise, thanks!
Is an quick release hubs 135mm can be converted to 148x12 mm boost hubs?
Thnx MBR! Very helpful and informative!
Anything to outdate our kit
Thank you! Trying to buy a truck bed fork mounted rack and I was having a hell of a time figuring out if i needed the 15 mm or 15 mm boost adapter for my 2019 Trek Fuel EX 8 (newbie here). 15 mm boost it is!
I'm converting a 2008 Stumpjumper (3x9 drivetrain) to a SRAM GX Eagle 12-Speed Groupset GXP; Should I elect for boost or not, and should I consider upgrading the wheels overall for better compatibility? The fattest tire I can get on the rear is 2.35".
CyberGolem: I'm pretty sure that the frame in rear must be boost to use boost size hubs. Sounds like you might be ready for a new bike, brada.
I'm in a similar situation. I think I'm gonna be safe if I just buy parts without boost.
Why does the cassette being moved allow for shorted chainstays?
Ohhhhh ... thats why when i changed wheels between my bikes some didnt fit right ... thank you sir for clearing things up
Wider hubs means more weight on the wheels, i think boost is mainly for enduro/dh or aggressive trails
Can the new sram DUB system be use with or without boost? If I use boost in the front crank area, do I have to change to boost in the rear? I was told by a few vendors that I have to use boost on both!
Buy the DUB chainring without boost. It’s called 6mm offset. And yes, you should match front and rear.
I recently purchased a 2019 norco fluid ht ht2 the stock hubs are like 30$ and just not great at all being that there 9x141 qr in the rear im left scratching my head in search for an upgrade thats not pushing $300 just for the hub aka hope pro 4 and dt swiss 350 with qr inserts to make it 9x141. Anyone know of other options for rear hubs that have the option to change the end caps 132 qr norco referred to stans no tubes but I cant seem to find just hubs on there website.
Great explanation but could the dude talk slower?
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Brilliant video - clear, concise! Subscribed! Thank you!
Welcome aboard!
Boost was invented so we can spend more money on new gear...
@@gillenzfluff8380 You would be bothered if it was only 100mm to begin with!
Wald Chiller - That is just cynical. Was the mountain bike developed to make road riding more expensive? NO, it was and remains a way of riding with better equipment for the terrain being traversed. Boost makes your wheels into better-constructed, longer-lasting investments. The 135 hollow axle is 35 year old technology; how old is your favourite off-road bike?
@@gillenzfluff8380 Girth !!!!!!!!!
i haven´t used boost ever and i used to do DH in 1998 and hucking and never broke wheels. i will not change my fork, wheels etc just for 10 mm diffrence
I have mtb boost its 10 speed it is possible can upgrade to 12speed? Tnx
Thank you for this explanation!
Why is it that you can have a shorter chainstay if the cassete is shifted over?
I was hoping someone would ask that. I was thinking the same.
I still don't know!
Thanks for the explanation 👍
Funny thing is that I found an abandon bike at my local park with this boost hub thing. Pretty cool.
Sometimes all this stuff is confusing. Thanks for the explanation.
The MTB industry keeps changing standards. It's irritating!
It's a way of making you part with your money.
So stop listening to it and just do and ride however you want. This commercialized fad gimmick culture of cash grabbing from idiots has now ruined every hobby. It’s hard to find decent new gear for anything, specially that isn’t overpriced so I just buy used stuff from the yeasts before everyone became an overindulgent mental infant.
Damn evolution
i guess they are learning from apple to change the charging port :D
Top range bikes now 10+k you can get a brand new car for less than that. Bike industry gone mad greedy
Hi all! Its reasonable to fit a 26x3.8 wheels/tires on a strong reinforced 148mm hub?
what at great explanation!! thanks a LOT!
Are there any adapters to use a normal hub in a boost frame?
Yes, there is. Boostinator by wolftooth components is one.
Thank you! 😀🙏
thank you for explaining this
Sir will a 142mm rear fit my 135mm rear end by any chance? Ty
No, sorry it won't.
Very helpful video! Thank you.
Helpful. Thanks!
Good video, no fucking around and got the points across clearly . Good man
I'm still so confused 😕 I'm looking to buy a zeb (boost) fork for my standard specialized levo. The bike comes with a 15 x 110 hub but doesn't state its boost spacing. The comp actually states it is. So I'm guessing if I put the forks on the caliper and rotor won't line up ? Is it a simple spacing adaptor for the rotor ? This is a minefield! Thanks in advance
Your wheel will fit fine - the Turbo Levo uses Boost hubs and dropout spacing.
can you adjust bearing preload on boost thru axle?
Would this be useful for gravel ebikes?
A boosted 29 mtb is same stiffness of non boost 27.5, therefore, use 27.5 instead.
What type of person, or what type of scenario would call for a 29 boosted? Trying to understand if it would be any benefit to me.
Would this work on a standard size frame or are they making wider frames at the axle mounts?
The frames are wider at the drop outs. 👍
I've seen lots of bikes that have 27.5 + boost. Are there bikes with 29" tires + boost? So when looking for a used bike, lets say I want boost, am I searching for 27.5 + boost AND 29 + boost?
Most bikes bullit after 2015 use boost spacing, so then you just need to choose the wheel size you want.
So... I won't be able to install a boost rear hub/wheel on my standard 142mm frame. Correct? How can I ugrade my bike to a 1x12 with a 142mm frame on the back?
You can get 142mm hubs with XD driver bodies that will allow you to run 12-speed set-ups.
im using standard rear hub, but my frame is already boost141.. is it okay or not? please
Is it possible to put a 148mm hub on a 150mm frame ?
so, you don't need a "Boost Specific" type of frame to make the hubs work?
A 148 hub needs a 148 frame. You can squeeze a 148 hub into a 142 frame and a 142 into a 148 but you will void your warranty and stress the frame so essentially no, you need to match boost frames with boost hubs and boost chainrings or cranks.
So now I guess the question is, can a bike that didn't come with a boost wheel set use a boost wheelset? I have a 27.5 GT Aggressor Pro and I am looking to get rid of the stock wheel set and I'm not sure what to go with or even if I could put a boost wheel set on it.
The simple answer is no, but you should be able to find non-Boost wheels to fit. 👍
Where is the boost controllers??
why made a bigger spoke bracing angle make it stronger? don't understand,
Wider hub flanges, with a more equalised spoke bracing angle on the rear wheel, helps strengthen the wheel. It's like putting up a radio mast and then tethering it with wires either side. The further apart they are tied to the ground, the less likely the mast is to buckle.
If you imagine a rear hub which was ridiculously narrow (just to highlight this point), say 5mm wide, then the spokes on both sides of the wheel would be almost vertical and would be prone to bending. As the hub flanges are placed further apart a triangle is formed with the hub being the base and the spokes being the sides. This triangle is less able to deform the wider the base (I.e. hub width). This is especially advantageous for mountain bike rear wheels which may experience significant sideways loading. Maybe this allows the use of lighter rims for the same strength? I can see that it is a technical improvement which means that it is easier to produce a wheel with extra strength without needing anything new. But well built MTB wheels are possible with older hubs. Stiffness is not always the most desirable feature with wheels. I built my 29er wheels about 8 years ago with double-butted DT Swiss spokes and when I'm going flat-out on twisty singletrack I feel the rear flex slightly under sideways forces. I would rather it flexed slightly than pulled the spoke nipple through the rim which is what my previous Kona-built wheel did. I'd recommend to anyone that is thinking of new wheels to find a wheel builder to discuss your needs with. I have thought about this frequently as I've wondered if full-suss bikes don't need a rear wheel as strong as a hard-tail because there is less of an impulse shock to the wheel when you hit a bump due to the suspension? I'd be interested to hear anyone else's comments.
Nathan Lei: what's more stable, a flag pole braced with ropes anchored right near the base, or anchored at 45 degree angle?
What a meravillouse improvement, casually any improvement means to change: frame, fork, wheels... in short the entire bike. Casually the technicians never develop cheap improvements.
marvelous you illiterate wretch
Very helpful vid. Thanks.
So if I buy new forks that are boost (original are not, neither is the rear) can I run boost on the front and not the back without affecting the handling in a bad way?
Hi Tony, yes, that's correct.
Thanks. Easy when you know
awesome! but what frames are available with it?
lopon12 Who cares?
Probably anything newer lol
"aww yes finally. im so sick of taco-ing my rims. my 100mm spacing 15mm through axle pike fork is SO unstable i can't even ride" says nobody. wider hubs are stupid. just more weight because more material is needed for the fork crown and hub.
do you know any smart trainers that can fit these?
Can i put boost wheels on a frame that doesnt come with the boost wheels
Pretty much explains it all so whats the problem with other's trying so hard to explain this to you 😂
So u cant put this on older frames but boost frames
Still makes zero sense to me. I have a 3x9 (27 speed) with what used to be quick release levers. Do boost hubs work in old bikes, or only new frames designed with wider forks and stays?
What about the crenkset it needs to be wider? And if a "boost crankset" is wider is the bottom bracket also wider on a bike made for the boost standards?
I dont get it. XD
Can you change a boost rear wheel to standard spacing?
hi, did you get the answer for this question? im looking for this answer, which boost hub can convert to non boost or not..?
If you change the hub to standard yes. You would be better off finding a standard wheelset to use.
Thank you. Now I know, I have boost hubs 🤙
This a late reply, but I want to say Thanks! You saved me from making a costly mistake because I plan to put a 27.5 wheel onto a 2000 suspension fork. Now I know not to buy a wheel that is boost.
Great video, thank you! You guys are so much better than the marketing channels GCN and GMBR or whatever, all they do is sell shit. You guys actually teach useful information.
The confusion it is the rule from producers. The 2018 released standard, 141 x 10 QR Rear Hub make me to believe that !
This guy is a genius!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for this. Good internet.
Thanks Vegeta
Thank you 🚲 🚲 🚲
Thanks for the 411 !!!!
I have a 110mm by 20mm which was on a rockshox boXXer World Cup 2009, I thought all boost axles were 20mm not 15mm
No boost refers to 15mm diameter axles.
@@MBRmagazine so what’s 20mm
Next time comment on the axles or Q/R's and how they tie in.
thank you...
very happy to see that many people do not buy into this unnecessary market changes ....common sense prevails after all
i haven´t used boost ever and i used to do DH in 1998 and hucking and never broke wheels. i will not change my fork, wheels etc just for 10 mm diffrence
i am still Stuck on 100mm front and 135 mm rear !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my record is Skipping !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!just more BS to deal with
I thought it was going to be some kind of regenerative hub brakes that help you up the hill.
So if we boost 26 hubs based on boosts making bigger wheels "as strong as 26", will it be the ultimate mini tank? Haha
i reality "boost" is nothing more than new standard that bike manufacturers made to take more money from customers. Even so some bike brands made trail bike with SUPER BOOST like Pivot bikes on their Switchblade model, which is downhill hub on trail bike ...so 1 more way to take more money from us. Same story goes with new wheels 27,5+, new handlebar and stem standard and so on...
Eh, I think those +tires do have their place. This hub spacing on the other hand...
And it is easy to see that if you go back in time to 1990-2000 which is probably the most progressive decade for bikes and the Mountain Bike came truly into being. During the 90s there was such rapid development in MTBs that by 2000 you could get a decent MTB for around $600 that would be comparable or better to a $1000 bike from 1995. In the Early 2000s you could get the most bang for the buck when it came to bikes so there had to be a reason for someone to spend at least a $1000. I do think that boost is of a rip off because I don't think it really cost that much more more to make wheels with wider spaced hub flanges and a frame with wider spaced drop outs.
I'ts not only hub that is boost. Also explain this crank boost pls
What about boost 141
Flanges are not wider on this pictures in video
BOOST = more BS to deal with !!!!!!!
stuck on 100mm front QR/thruaxle and 135 QR Rear
26er
Yeah, same. I'm about to start overhauling my bike that had 26's and I don't understand if "boost" will make a difference for me or not. And if I buy products boost compatible, will my frame tolerate the difference?
THAT'S IT?!!! THAT'S FUCKING IT???? And I thought it was suppose to be some sort of modular design or some shit.
So wtf's boost 141??
And now theres is boost 141 QR! Whatever that is...
OK how about the damn 141 boost hubs what the hell is the deal with them. do I just stuff a 142 OLD hub in the frame and call it good???!!!
what about super boost hubs? mountain biking standards are fucking stupid. bmx has it figured out.
The MTB industry is out of control, prices are insane!
Not really, just got a trek pro caliber 9.5 2022 for $2300
@@McRemmyBaby Hard to believe it my friend if just the frame alone is more than that, but good for you.
@@vellotrol want receipt video asshat?