Clarifying My Position About the Trinity | David Gates |
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- Pastor David Gates got robbed in Peru. In this message he clarified about his position about the Trinity. Here is the video link to that sermon: • Video
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“Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore
it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father,
and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would
represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent.”
Manuscript Releases (1993). (Vol. 14, p. 23). (MR NO. 1084. Feb. 19, 1895)
John Nevins Andrews: 1829 - 1883 on the Trinity
“The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine DESTROYS THE PERSONALITY OF GOD, AN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. The infamous, measures by which it was forced upon the church which appear upon the pages of ecclesiastical history might well cause every believer in that doctrine to blush.” (J. N. Andrews, March 6, 1855, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 24, page 185)
JUST ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW: What a weird and deceitful world it has become. There are those who call themselves "trinitarians" - and ARE NOT trinitarians at all - but faithful and authentic Triune ELOHIM worshippers, and those who call themselves "anti-trinitarians" - but are trinitarians all the way down to cell levels... They worship someone who The Lord Jesus NEVER uttered a word about- like God, Gott, Zeus, Deus, Dios, Dieu, Bruckan (Mongolian) or Pucheckhame (aboriginal Peruvian; imagine having to always read: "In the beginning Pucheckhame (or Bruckan) created the heavens and the earth"), and - "I am the only "Pucheckhame", and besides me there is no other Pucheckhame" anywhere in this vast universe!
They - just like the true to life "trinitarians" of yesteryear - discard the Eternity of "The Angel of The Lord", or "The Word" - later on called "The Son of God", and reject the Existence of 'The Spirit of ELOHIM', who could otherwise lead them to sanctified wisdom, repentance, humility - but "offending The Spirit" and just emanate instead false ideas as "The Father's breath"! And then - they think that they are "doing God a favor"! Sancta simplicitas...
I have total respect for Ellen White, but- she just borrowed and unawaredly bowed fully to the KJV of The Bible, which happens to be quite wrongly translated in John 1:14, 3:16,18, even in 1 John 4:9! I LOVE The KJV as well, but I NEVER take it as an authentic replica of the ORIGINAL inspired Word of ELOHIM, but just a translation. Wickliff translated for the first time in History the Bible in English, using The VULGATE as the source. A century later others, including Tyndale tried to make a better translation, using Greek manuscripts and codices, freshly arrived with men from The East, chased away by the Ottomans. Then we got an even better translation in the KJV, translated from the newly reassembled "Textus Receptus" from the best Greek manuscripts by the learned Erasmus of Rotterdam. So TODAY, let's remember that INSPIRATION is ALWAYS generated by The Spirit of ELOHIM, but the "writers" and translators were always just... humans!
So we ALWAYS must strive to get to the best and most authentic sources for the biblical text. Others put their life on the line so that we can have the best text. The authentic Word of ELOHIM - The Bible - absolutely NEVER mentioned that Lord Jesus was ever "begotten". YES, Baby Jesus was BORN (not begotten !) in Bethlehem, but that was the wonderful, mysterious and eternal FUSION between "The ETERNAL, Divine Angel of The Lord", and His now human body in order to become BOTH The Son of ELOHIM and a ransom for the fallen humanity. Please read Paul's words and see Hebrews 10:5, as confirmed from Psalm. 40-6 - or better yet - check the Psalm. 39-6 from The Septuagint !
We will perhaps NEVER fully understand what The ELOHIM - not an angel, seraphim or heruvim - not even a "begotten" being - but a true, authentic Person of DIVINITY undertook and sacrificed in order to save a lost humanity. And... that is another reason to Praise Him !
But... "begotten" ? How ? When ? Where ? Not in The Old Testament, and neither in The NEW.
Yes, the word "begotten" occurs many times in The New Testament, but that refers to us, the fallen people. WE are born again in ELOHIM. And YES, the word "begotten" also is mentioned in Romans 1:4, and Rev. 1:5 - referring to Lord Jesus. But NEVER referring to His being "begotten, fabricated, cloned, manufactured, born or even referring to His longevity, eternity or anything of the kind - but referring EXCLUSIVELY TO HIS RESURRECTION !
This is simply not true. There are Christian writings of the 2nd-3rd century that mention the Trinitarian faith. Even the terms Trias or Trinitas have been used two generations before the Necene Council.
Even if it were so, it is not biblical at all. None of the Apostles taught such a pagan-based concept.@@florinlaiu
@@Edupier Concepts and new names for old or new concepts are only for people who think, trying to make sense of their reading. Literalists are not interested in implications, connections and logic, nor in the need of using the fittest names/labels for various concepts.
The fact is that the dogma of the Trinity contradicts what Jesus (John 17:3) and the Apostles (1 Corinthians 8:6) say in unison, that the only true God is God the Father. The rest is speculation of the mind.@@florinlaiu
Pastor, it is your responsibly to study this yourself. You cannot give it to somebody else. Also, be careful to just listen to somebody else that might seem to be very important or will respected.
It is sad that people can retrace where God had led then clearly.
So, you are making a mistake to think this issue is not important and can just be left alone until Jesus comes back. This is not a distraction. You cannot put away sin if you do not deal with this issue!
But I trust that God will not leave you alone. God loves you too much to just let you go. If we do not follow the path He gives us, He will use everything, including pain, to guide us back.
The big issue is not the nature of the Spirit, it is the issue of who the Son is.
So, do you believe that Jesus is the literal Son of God? You need to take a position!
@inspireme4life Amen!
All he has to do is read through Revelation 3:12, which destroys the Catholic Trinity, and find out why the SDA Pioneers, all of them, were non-Trinitarians.
Actually they were Non-trinitarians.🤗
Absolutely! If Jesus were co-eternal and co-equal with the Father throughout eternity, then how come that the Son of God called His Father four times "my God" in Revelation 3:12? How is it that they don't see that God has an eternal and literal Son? The unclean spirits knew that He was the Son of God; yet, for some reason the SDA church denies that fact? Honestly, it is beyond me!
@@rudolfberki8683 Jesus is forever human. He is God incarnated, and He lived His life on this earth in human consciousness, not only in human flesh. As a human being, He prayed God (John 17), and as a man he says My God.
@@florinlaiu I am afraid, you are utterly wrong, Jesus isn't God incarnated, He is the Son of God and not the God, the Creator who created all things through His only begotten Son, (John 1:3; 3:16-17; Hebrews 1:2 and Colossians 1:16).
Also, in Revelation 3:12 Jesus, the Son of God, called His Father "my God" four times. If you carefully study Revelation 3:12 and Revelation 2:18, you will clearly see that Jesus in Revelation 2:18, when speaking to John, identified Himself as the "Son of God" and not the Son of man.
"And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;" (Revelation 2:18)
"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." (Revelation 3:12)
So, here we clearly see that the Son of God called God His Father and His my God.
Its about how a word is DEFINED. It use to be defined differently. Its defined perfectly in our fundamentals. Here is the trinity in the old testament.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." -Isaiah 8:9
"Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore" -EGW (Review and Herald, April 5, 1906)
She also referred to the Holy Spirit as "the Third Person of the Godhead" (The Desire of Ages, p. 671)
Oh, and John 1. Oh, and Jesus saying Himself that He always was. But what does the Word of God or His prophet mayter to you anti trinity nut jobs?
In The Desire ofAges she writes that “sin could be resisted and overcome onlythrough the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead,who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullnessof divine power” (p. 671). This is how the text has read sinceits first publication in 1898. So how do opponents escape itsnatural interpretation that there are three distinct persons in theGodhead?
“It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost . . [John 14:16, 17 quoted.]” Ibid., 178, 179.
The Acts of the Apostles, 52: “The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden.” -EGW
Stop disobeying EGW and shut up you crazy anti trinity nut jobs! Stop wasting time on a non-issue. Youre all possessed by satan. And if we teach that the Son is not eternal and didnt always exist, then why did EGW call Michael the archangel Jesus??? Or that Priest Abram gave tithe to? You nut jobs are claiming that wasnt Christ??? Not ehat EGW and the bible says! Youre devils. Repent before it is too late.
In reading the comments I am overwhelmed at how the Spirit of Christ is waking people up to the damage that the trinity doctrine does. 1. Denies Jesus as the Son of God by saying he wasn’t brought forth from the Father and that the word Son is just metaphorical.
2 Diminishes the love of God by claiming he didn’t really send His Son but one third part of Himself.
3 takes away the honor and respect that is given to Christ by what He does through His Spirit and gives the credit and praise to a mysterious made up being. And we know who in heaven wanted to be included and worshipped like the Father and Son. It’s time to wake up Adventist, God is preparing a people to show his full character in this final battle! Praise be to God and his only and literal begotten Son, our redeemer Jesus Christ!
“The Father cannot be described by the things of earth. The Father is all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. The Son is all the fullness of the Godhead manifested. The Word of God declares Him to be “the express image of His person.” “God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Here is shown the personality of the Father. The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Savior. There are THREE LIVING PERSONS of the HEAVENLY TRIO. in the name of these THREE GREAT POWERS the FATHER, the SON, and the HOLY SPIRIT-those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will cooperate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ. Evangelism, pp. 614-615; Manuscript 21, 1906, written in November of 1905
@@ericfolks1503 Should we take doctrine from Ellen White? Is not the Bible the rule of faith? Both must be taken in context. Is what you quoted a fair representation of Ellen White on this subject?
We absolutely base our faith and doctrine on the bible alone. She said her testimonies wouldn’t be needed if people would study their bibles. And yes that quote truly shows what she believed and that quote is a very good explanation of the Godhead doctrine we find in the bible. Three separate divine persons all eternal, all possessing the title God and ONE with each other. 😇😇😇
@ericfolks1503
Really? Does John 17:3 teach a Godhead/trinity or a Father and Son?
Does 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 teach a Godhead/trinity or a Father and Son?
Do the introductions of most New Testament letters (eg Grace and peace from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ) teach a Godhead/trinity or a Father and Son?
What did the Father reveal to Peter in Matthew 16:16-18, a Father and Son or a godhead?
Is your spirit a different person from you? Because 1 Corinthians 2:10-11 invites us to compare our spirits with God and His Spirit.
Maybe we have let leaders and theologians mislead us by misunderstanding Ellen White and teaching/interpreting the Bible through their preconceived philosophy?
I hope your Bible is the same as mine.
I can only say Amen to that!
The Holy Spirit is not another person. The trinity is a Catholic doctrine....
The Holy Spirit is Christ's representative, but divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally. Therefore it was for their interest that He should go to the Father, and send the Spirit to be His successor on earth. No one could then have any advantage because of his location or his personal contact with Christ. By the Spirit the Saviour would be accessible to all. In this sense He would be nearer to them than if He had not ascended on high. DA 669.2
Also, baptism was done by the disciples, in the name of Christ all through the New Testament, not in the name of the trinity.
Keep studying brethren. God has promised to lead us into all truth by His Spirit 🙏🏾
"The Holy Spirit is Christ's representative, but divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof" Amen for this! That's it! It is a good start to begin with...!
Here is the trinity in the old testament, Catholic.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." -Isaiah 8:9
"Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore" -EGW (Review and Herald, April 5, 1906)
She also referred to the Holy Spirit as "the Third Person of the Godhead" (The Desire of Ages, p. 671)
Oh, and John 1. Oh, and Jesus saying Himself that He always was. But what does the Word of God or His prophet mayter to you anti trinity nut jobs?
In The Desire ofAges she writes that “sin could be resisted and overcome onlythrough the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead,who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullnessof divine power” (p. 671). This is how the text has read sinceits first publication in 1898. So how do opponents escape itsnatural interpretation that there are three distinct persons in theGodhead?
“It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost . . [John 14:16, 17 quoted.]” Ibid., 178, 179.
The Acts of the Apostles, 52: “The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden.” -EGW
Stop disobeying EGW and shut up you crazy anti trinity nut jobs! Stop wasting time on a non-issue. Youre all possessed by satan. And if we teach that the Son is not eternal and didnt always exist, then why did EGW call Michael the archangel Jesus??? Or that Priest Abram gave tithe to? You nut jobs are claiming that wasnt Christ??? Not ehat EGW and the bible says! Youre devils. Repent before it is too late.
There is only ONE Mediator between man and God, Jesus Christ. The Father and Son have bodies which we are made in the image of. They are everywhere present by their representative spirit.
The Lord is soon to come. We want that complete and perfect understanding which the Lord alone can give. It is not safe to catch the spirit from another. We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ. If we commune with God, we shall have strength and grace and efficiency. 9LtMs, Lt 66, 1894, par. 18
SHE WAS NOT SAYING THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON. The Lord Jesus, represented by the Holy Spirit.....{CTr 305.2}
Personality of the Holy Spirit…We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds… {Ev 616.5}
The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits
No, eternally no! The Holy Spirit is a Person, eternally a divine Person. And he must be always recognized and spoken of as a Person, or he is not truly recognized or spoken of at all. {March 27, 1907 ATJ, MEDM 98.7}
{AA 51.3}
The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden. {AA 52.1}
She did not mean to say or believe the Holy Spirit and Jesus are the same person.
Spirit of Christ is another name or title for the Holy Spirit. It does not mean that the Holy Spirit and Jesus are the same person because we cannot ignore the many verses that prove they are separate persons. The messiah is called the “Everlasting Father” in Isaiah 9:6. But we know that Jesus and the Father are separate persons. Jesus and His Father are ONE so Isaiah 9:6 makes sense after reading John 10:30.
Paul mentioned the Spirit of Jesus and Christ in Galatians and Philippians 1:19. But we know he is not saying that the Holy Spirit and Jesus are the same person because in other epistles we wrote he clearly defines them both as separate ex. In Romans 8:26-27,34 and Matthew 12:31-32. We cannot define one text without taking the weight of evidence into consideration.
The Holy Spirit has many names or titles. Example.
Spirit of prophecy Revelation 19:10
Spirit of adoption Romans 8:15
Eternal Spirit Hebrews 9:14
Spirit of God Matthew 3:16-17
Spirit of Christ 1 Peter 1:11
Spirit of Jesus Christ Phil 1:19
Spirit of His Son Gal 4:6
Spirit of grace Hebrews 10:29 (and He can be insulted and He is mentioned apart from the Son of God in this verse)
These different names or titles teach us different aspects of who the Holy Spirit is and His unique work He performs for our salvation.
He is the Spirit of Christ because He does not speak on His own authority but on the authority of Christ, that which He hears He speaks. He teaches us and guides us into all the truths of the Bible including the testimony of Jesus Revelation 12:17, 19:10.
He is the representative of Christ on earth.
Peter also did not mean that the Holy Spirit and Jesus are the same person.
1 Peter 1:11
“searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.”
So the Spirit of Christ, “HE testified” about the sufferings of Christ. Peter did not believe they were the same person.
1 Peter 1:2
“elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father(1)in sanctification of the Spirit(2)for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ(3)Grace to you and peace be multiplied.”
So we can call Jesus the Son of God and believe that Jesus and the Father are two persons but we call the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God and say that they are the same person? No, they are separate
@@rescuebabybirds we believe and teach the Godhead as 3 persons with one accord.
@@rescuebabybirds to say you are preaching the 3 angels messages and not teaching from the 1843 and 1850 charts, is to be preaching the doctrines of Rome
@@rescuebabybirds revelation 13:13
Sir, you know in your heart that the trinity is false. You know it!
That's why he is responsible for all the souls he is misleading.
Sad that someone who speaks out on a Bible truth and pointing out the catholic trinity comes under attack as shady. The catholic Church says whoever is a trinitarian is a catholic and the sda church had to accept the trinity to join the worldwide council of churches. I was the secretary for the representative for the worldwide council of churches sda representative in the 80s in a certain country. This is also the time when the sda church brought in a new hymnal with trinitsrian songs. And the papal inquisitions would torture people to accept the trinity and first day of the week as the holy day. This is historical fact.
Yes, Sister White said that the SDA Church would become A SISTER of Babylon, not a daughter, should it allow the world to come into the Church. It is a sister, not a daughter, because it is not deceived as the other churches, but complies knowingly to its lead.
It is also in the Laudato Si, the papal edict of Satan.
He is shady. Here is the trinity in the old testament.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." -Isaiah 8:9
"Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore" -EGW (Review and Herald, April 5, 1906)
She also referred to the Holy Spirit as "the Third Person of the Godhead" (The Desire of Ages, p. 671)
Oh, and John 1. Oh, and Jesus saying Himself that He always was. But what does the Word of God or His prophet mayter to you anti trinity nut jobs?
In The Desire ofAges she writes that “sin could be resisted and overcome onlythrough the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead,who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullnessof divine power” (p. 671). This is how the text has read sinceits first publication in 1898. So how do opponents escape itsnatural interpretation that there are three distinct persons in theGodhead?
“It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost . . [John 14:16, 17 quoted.]” Ibid., 178, 179.
The Acts of the Apostles, 52: “The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden.” -EGW
Stop disobeying EGW and shut up you crazy anti trinity nut jobs! Stop wasting time on a non-issue. Youre all possessed by satan. And if we teach that the Son is not eternal and didnt always exist, then why did EGW call Michael the archangel Jesus??? Or that Priest Abram gave tithe to? You nut jobs are claiming that wasnt Christ??? Not ehat EGW and the bible says! Youre devils. Repent before it is too late.
When EGW says we are not to come up with speculative ideas on who the Holy Spirit is she is referring to some of the people discussing trinitarian views on the Holy Spirit before Adventist’s started adopting this view. She was warning the people not to go down this path.
They were not trinitarian at this stage.
You only have to compare the fundamentals back then to now to see that they were not trinitarian.
And not many know in the church that most of Ellen Whites books was change by the Church just after her death, and she new it would happen, by Leroy froom
.you can even google it..really sad..but much of her old books was saved..God was protectecing it..👏
@@tersiabeukes6680 The Church should have tossed EGW's books out the back door, not just merely changed them.
@guy Osment
Then don't be SDA. It's your choice. The SDA church was started by Ellen White and others. And true Seventh-day Adventism can not be changed. All of the Pioneers were non-trinitarian.
@@Want2cJesus The pioneers were notoriously bad interpretors of the Bible. They were a bit of a Joke IMO. Uneducated, presumptuous, etc.
One even thought he even knew what day Jesus would bodily return to earth even though the Bible reveals it's impossible for any man to know the day or the hour because Scripture simply does not reveal it. When that day didn't work Miller chose another day with some help from one the pioneers, and that one didn't work either. So Miller dropped out and some other numb skull tried a third attempt.
EGW had a 4th attempt saying that Jesus would bodily return in 1851 and when it obviously never happened she scolded her church and claimed it was their fault, bec they didn't pray hard enough or do enough witnessing. Smacks of the JW's.
The 2 worst Heresies of the foolish pioneers. The Investigative Judgement and that Jesus was not fully God in the flesh. At least the modern day SDA dropped the Heresy that Jesus was not fully God in the Flesh.
If the sealing according to SOP is the affirmation both intellectually and spiritually how can you take that stand brother G. Will God's people get sealed with errors in their minds? 👈😎
No.
This is a career ending topic for any Adventist minister. The trinity is Catholic and as unbiblical as Sunday sacredness but precious few of our ministers have the boldness to stand up and oppose this. A paycheck is as pitiful a choice in place of saving truth today as was the plate of lentils in preference to Esau’s birthright and will have as dire consequences. God help our ministers!
Youre Catholic. Here is the trinity in the old testament.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." -Isaiah 8:9
"Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore" -EGW (Review and Herald, April 5, 1906)
She also referred to the Holy Spirit as "the Third Person of the Godhead" (The Desire of Ages, p. 671)
Oh, and John 1. Oh, and Jesus saying Himself that He always was. But what does the Word of God or His prophet mayter to you anti trinity nut jobs?
In The Desire ofAges she writes that “sin could be resisted and overcome onlythrough the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead,who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullnessof divine power” (p. 671). This is how the text has read sinceits first publication in 1898. So how do opponents escape itsnatural interpretation that there are three distinct persons in theGodhead?
“It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost . . [John 14:16, 17 quoted.]” Ibid., 178, 179.
The Acts of the Apostles, 52: “The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden.” -EGW
Stop disobeying EGW and shut up you crazy anti trinity nut jobs! Stop wasting time on a non-issue. Youre all possessed by satan. And if we teach that the Son is not eternal and didnt always exist, then why did EGW call Michael the archangel Jesus??? Or that Priest Abram gave tithe to? You nut jobs are claiming that wasnt Christ??? Not ehat EGW and the bible says! Youre devils. Repent before it is too late.
The first commandment says it all. Adventists pride themselves on knowing the fourth commandment, but totally ignore the first commandment.
We are partaking in praying with you throughout
May God be with you
If our main mission is to put away sins, which is correct, How do you put away sin while continue to trampled down the first and second commandments by upholding the trinity or godhead theory? The bible is very clear on who is the Father, and Son, as well as their holy Spirit, which is their life and power.
Dear brother David Gates....this is sad indeed that u don't c the vital importance of your eternal life John 17:3 tells u exactly what eternal life is.... I'm praying that u will open ur eyes and that u will take the time to truly learn to know the Only true God and Jesus Christ whom he has send.❣️❣️ I don't believe what I'm hearing how can u move forward if u don't know the One true God and his Literal BEGOTTEN SON Jesus Christ ....there r no numerical value in the godhead and go look up the meaning of godhead .....it's not a mystery....the Truth about the Father and the Son is the gospel it is Present Truth it is the 3 Angels Message....who beguiled u foolish SDA when do u want to wake up 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ I'm saying this with luv cause God is luv but the truth is the truth whether you like it or not 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ That which is revealed to is about the Father and the Son is for us and our children.....u will have to know cause if Satan appear on this earth very soon u will believe him that he is Christ cause u r to busy with what u think God's work that u forgot u have to work out ur own salvation with fear and trembling....dear brother go back to the foot of the cross....
DEAR PASTOR DAVID: In my poor opinion we need to REFRAIN FROM STEPPING WITH OUR SANDALS INTO THIS HOLY PLACE AND EVEN WITHOUT OUR SANDALS.
I read the Bible from age 8, and I understood that all about God is a mistery, but God loves me, the Holy Spirit is helping me to make in my life effective the salvation gained by Jesus.
I believe in the Holy Spirit as a being so humble, so loving, so patient Who open my mind to understand the Truth, a being so POWERFUL that Satan and all his angels are VERY AFRAID OF HIM, a being that is my personal bodyguard to protect my physical body, my mind, emotions and feelings against the deceptions and attacks of Satan.
From where any of the three came from? I have not idea, I do not understand even what is life, how I live, think, feel and later die, but I put all my hope in my Creator, Who is Jesus, and all I see is a Godhead with 3 cooperating persons in order to save us and erradicate evil from His creation, evil deteriorates all the good things God had made, and evil leads to death that is become again DUST. In nature all become "dust" by oxidation, corrosion, rottenness, dryness, etc. I think only GOLD is an exception, because radiation is a deterioration of the atom that produce clean energy, but if deteriorated: poison radiation, I think evil angels are radioactive because they are deteriorating (my opinion).
With so a short understanding of what is a spirit like the angels, HOW WE PRETEND TO UNDERSTAND THE HOLY SPIRIT???I DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND JESUS, AND PEOPLE FIGHTING ABOUT THIS? CAN WE UNDERSTAND ELECTRICITY? and we are "electric" to revive us they shock us with electricity, I do not see nobody fighting about electricity, BUT I BELIEVE THIS: THE PEOPLE WASTING THEIR ENERGY ON THIS ISSUE INSTEAD ASKING GOD DAILY FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL BE LOST....this is an issue that Satan probably delights in for two reasons: 1) To mock God 2)To make us unprepared for His coming with all the mess that will happens before.
WHAT TO DO???
ASK THE FATHER FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT CLAIMING OUR RIGHT FOR IT BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS THAT PAY OUR DEBT AND GOT OUR PARDON.
God's _substance_ may be a mystery; His _nature_ may be a mystery. But if God's _identity_ were at all a mystery, we should be excused for not keeping the first commandment. "Thou shalt have NO other gods before ME." That "me" is singular, both in English, and in Hebrew. How is it, then, that people have "progressed" to the point of believing that God is three beings: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit? The latter two of these "Gods" is never once mentioned in inspiration. At all.
Jesus confirmed the Jewish understanding of who God is to the Samaritan woman at the well. Read it in John 4:21-24. Now, have you ever heard of a Trinitarian Jew?
God is One. YAHUSHA/Jesus is God manifested in flesh. God died for us in flesh but remains alife in Spirit. Spirit is and was always omniscient and omnipresent. Ellen White often writes that Jesus is the Spirit.....
First Angel Message: Worship "HIM", HIM means individual one person. I thought you got the message last time, i guess not. The Sealing on the Forehead is THE NAME OF THE FATHER, not Trinity.
Blind leaders are leading blind sheep.
👉Jesus himself declared Who his God, in
John 17:3
And THIS IS 👉LIFE ETERNAL, THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW THEE 👉THE ONLY TRUE GOD,👈 and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
Dear uncle David, I am quite disappointed to see you hesitating to take a firm stand to biblical truth and the belief of our fathers. Don't be cowardly!
It looks like he tries to please both sides, and seemingly for the sake of donations or else he would lose most of it. But he fails to understand the power of God he experienced for so long.
@@rudolfberki8683 He has been easily taken in by past deceptions, such as Ernie Knoll's claim to prophethood, and is perhaps now too quick to deny the truth when it is legitimate. May God have mercy.
Jesus Christ Himself promise to be with us through His spirit, which is the Holy Spirit. The Holy spirit is the power and presence of Jesus, not another, separate god.
Don't replace Jesus with another god.
John 14:18
I will not leave you comfortless: "I will" come to you.
John 14:20
In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
Acts 3:19-20
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
And he shall send "Jesus Christ", which before was preached unto you.
Romans 8:10
If "Christ is in you", though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but "Christ lives" in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that "Jesus Christ is in you", except ye be reprobates?
Ephesians 3:17-19
so that "Christ" may dwell in your hearts through faith; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and to
1 John 4:13
Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
Philippians 1:19
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the "Spirit of Jesus Christ",
Colossians 1:27
to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is "Christ in you", the hope of glory.
Eph 2:22
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
1 Peter 1:11
Searching what, or what manner of time the "Spirit of Christ" which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1 John 3:24
The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the "Spirit whom He has given us".
Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.
All you said make no sense in terms of trying to refute the existence of the Holy Spirit as a separate Being -- with all due respect.
So this power is able to reason? Doesn't make sense at all with due respect. So Jesus was referring to power?
Matthew 12:31-32
King James Version
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
The bigger problem with the Trinity is that it teaches that Jesus is Co-Equal and Co-Eternal. That does away with the Gospel. You can find in the Bible and Ellen White that God gave Jesus everything he has and that Jesus is next in authority to the Great Lawgiver. If Jesus is Co-Eternal than he is not a Son. Which way is it? No they are not role playing like the SDA church likes to teach. If God does not have a literal Son than nothing makes sense in the Gospel. Was it a lie that God gave his only begotten Son? As far as the Holy Spirit I know we can't understand IT, but can we understand if IT's another Being of some kind or is IT's a Spirit like all the other spirits. Why on this one spirit do we make it out to be something different than all the rest. Why does not the spirit have a name? Plus you are going to have a hard time explaining Mat 1:18 which than would make Jesus to be the son of the Holy Spirit and not God. The Trinity destroys the Gospel. I think also we should baptize as the examples given in Acts which was always in the name of Jesus. Don't we need at least two witnesses. Mat 28:19 is the only time ever you will find anything done in the name of all three but we see many times things done in Jesus name.
If we all must choose Sunday vs Sabbath is it not equally important that we choose which God we serve? A Co-Equal, Co-Eternal Triune God or A God that had Son and was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom. The theology between the two are so different, we must make a choice. The SDA organization has made theirs and we can see how it has affected the Three Angels Messages. Yes this topic should be open for study but eventually I think you have to make a stand on what side you believe. Maybe we won't understand ever detail but the two sides are so different that I think it's impossible to stand together for they lead two different ways.
The mandate to worship on Sunday which is almost here is more about the God who is worshipped than the day itself. Many Adventists will get lost while keeping the sabbath but at the same time worshipping the wrong god manifested in the Trinity doctrine...trinity destroys everything adventisism stands for..
That truth does not do away with the gospel, it IS the true gospel that Jesus as God Himself, the eternal I AM hung on a cross for us. Thinks about that, the anti-trinitarian view absolutely insults the gospel placing Jesus as a created lesser deity. I AM means eternal and that it was Christ claimed in John 8:58, read Revelation 1:8 as well.
@@ericfolks1503 Oh, no! You misunderstand Scripture, God Himself did not hung on the cross, it was His Son who did and died for you and I. Please read the following scriptures:
"16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." (John 3:16-17)
"And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him." (Hebrews 1:6)
"In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him." (1 John 4:9)
God has sent all He had, His only begotten Son.
@@ericfolks1503 Christ is the I Am but that don't make him as great as his father. Scriptures clearly states who is greater and I never said Christ was not there during the Old Testament. Christ was born from his Father so he shares the same nature meaning he is divine and is given the Kingdom ... And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. So yes Jesus is on the same level as God after God gave everything. And that is what the gospel is about the good news that God gave his Son to die for us and that Jesus overcame sin and death.
Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
I agree with you brother David Gates 100% I believe that God is with you. I have heard SDA Christians debating the nature of the Holy Spirit. Than they come to their decision to not worship or have fellowship with those who are Trinitarian or not are Trinitarian. This is a work of the enemy to sow discord in the church. Let the Holy Spirit lead and guide you through this dark world until Jesus comes😊
Please show me where anti-Trinitarians debate the nature of the Holy Spirit. It is not the nature that is the problem. We all know the nature of the Spirit is a mystery. The what is a mystery, but the Who is not. The Bible is very clear on who the Spirit is. The identity is what we are complaining about, since the evil Trinity doctrine denies the identify of the Spirit.
It is the work of the enemy that wants people to accept the lie of the Roman Church, for which they have murdered millions for. So you know the history concerning this? Daniel even predicted this directly.
Thanks to God for guiding you to prioritise what is necessary now, evangilising - may God be merciful to me .... and us all from Pinkie
...All of you “From Pinkie” ??? May I request depth of understanding...?
The Holy Spirit is Christ Himself, divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof, many egw quote prove this,
Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His Father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself, divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall [although unseen by you] teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. ... Nevertheless, I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.” [John 14:26; 16:7.] {Lt119-1895.18}
The Lord is soon to come. We want that complete and perfect understanding which the Lord alone can give. It is not safe to catch the spirit from another. We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ. 9LtMs, Lt 66, 1894, par. 18
the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ. 9LtMs, Lt 66, 1894, par. 18
It is the Holy Spirit, the representative of Christ-the Christ-power-that impresses the heart. The Holy Spirit is sent to abide with us alway. {Ms92-1901.30}
When the Holy Spirit implants Christ's Spirit in the heart of the savage, and he befriends God's servants, the quickening of the heart's sympathy is contrary to his nature, contrary to his education. The grace of God, working upon the darkened mind, has softened the savage nature untaught by the wisdom of men.... SD 364.3
When you gave yourself to Christ, you made a pledge in the presence of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-the three great personal dignitaries of heaven. “Hold fast” to this pledge. {Ms92-1901.5}
True faith and repose in God are always accompanied by the illuminations of the Holy Spirit, whose temple we are. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, it is His representative. Here is the divine agency that carries conviction to hearts. When the power of His spirit is revealed through the servants of God, we behold divinity flashing through humanity. When accompanied by the Holy Spirit, the presentation of truth as it is in Jesus will be of more value than all the honor or glory of the world. {EA 231.1}
“I am the way, the truth, and the life,” Christ declares: “no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6). Christ is invested with power to give life to all creatures. “As the living Father hath sent me,” He says, “and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.” “It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:57, 63). Christ is not here referring to His doctrine, but to His person, the divinity of His character. “Verily, verily, I say unto you,” He says again, “The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man” (John 5:25-27). {1SM 249.3}
The influence of the Holy Spirit is the life of Christ in the soul. This Spirit works in and through everyone who receives Christ. -The Review and Herald, October 26, 1897. {YRP 130.6}
The Holy Spirit is the breath of spiritual life in the soul. The impartation of the Spirit is the impartation of the life of Christ. It imbues the receiver with the attributes of Christ. {DA 805.3}
The Holy Spirit is the breath of life in the soul. The breathing of Christ upon His disciples was the breath of true spiritual life. {Ms149-1897.7}
The human agent, the seen instrument, is to preach the Word, and the Lord Jesus, the unseen agency, by His Holy Spirit is to make the Word efficacious and powerful. {Lt105-1900.7}
Christ is formed within, and by His Spirit He fulfils the promise, “I will never leave thee nor forsake thee.” “The Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.” {ST September 27, 1899, par. 9}
The lapse of time has wrought no change in Christ’s parting promise. He is with us today as He was with the disciples, and He will be with us “unto the end.” [Verse 20.] {Lt134-1903.8}
While Jesus ministers in the sanctuary above, He is still by His Spirit the minister of the church on earth. He is withdrawn from the eye of sense, but His parting promise is fulfilled, “Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” Matthew 28:20. While He delegates His power to inferior ministers, His energizing presence is still with His church. {DA 166.2}
Then Jesus would breathe upon them the Holy Ghost. In that breath was light, power, and much love, joy, and peace. {EW 55.1}
When a sense of the loving-kindness of God is constantly refreshing the soul, it will be revealed in the countenance by an expression of peace and joy. It will be manifest in the words and works. And the generous, holy Spirit of Christ, working upon the heart, will yield in the life a converting influence upon others.... {AG 325.2}
We are in the anti-typical day of atonement, and every soul should now be humbling himself before God, seeking pardon for his transgressions and sins, and accepting the justifying grace of Christ, the sanctifying of the soul by the operations of the Holy Spirit of Christ; thus the carnal nature is transformed, renewed in holiness after the image of Christ’s righteousness and true holiness. {PH002 25.2}
But I must; I am charged to give you over and over again this same message, brethren. We must have more of the spirit of Jesus Christ. Your standard must be held with a firm grasp and our souls brought under the sanctification of the Holy Spirit of Christ. 25LtMs, Ms 61, 1910, par. 10
any many more...
If we don’t believe in the Holy Sprit we can’t receive the later Rain. We need to pray!!
You are confusing rejecting the trinity lie with rejecting the spirit of Christ.
I’ve read in Patriach and prophets that the 3 Godhead is a mystery and we cannot understand it until Jesus comes.
@@marjoriecadanilla7546 Oh, no! There is no '3 Godhead', that's a terrible deception. Please study and be a noble Berean.
@@rescuebabybirds It is so sad that he defends a false major doctrine of Rome, but well said.
I also recently learnt that in the NT tithe is no longer binding and was replaced with a freewill offering. The tithe was part of the mosaic law and ceased at Jesus' death on the cross when the veil between the holy place and most holy place was rent into two from the top to bottom signifying that the sacrificial system of old pointing to His death came to an end.
Nowhere do we find the tithe system in the NT except a freewill offering which was freely given by brethren to either support God's work or the needy. In the OT we find three tithes. The Levitical tithe, the feast tithe, and the poor tithe were not given to the same people and provided for different needs. Each was tied to the promise that if the people were faithful to observe the tithe, God would bless them.
Interestingly the Seventh-day Adventist church still practices the tithing system despite of the fact that there is not a single Bible passage to support it. There is not a single passage to even indicate that Jesus, His disciples and the newly established churches have ever paid or were instructed them to pay tithe ex except donations or free offering.
If, however, the Seventh-day Adventist church were right, then why don't they collect the three tenths of the increase, or tithes, as per the mosaic law: the tithe to the Levites, the tithe for the feast days and the tithe for the poor, widow, orphan, stranger and needy? Also, in the OT not all trades were covered by the tithe system. For example, fishermen, tax collectors, tent makers, etc. paid no tithe; or if an Israelite had only nine cattle, paid no tithe and was entitled to receive from the tithe allocated to the poor, widow, orphan, stranger and needy. So, does the Seventh-day Adventist church practice that today? No! (Hence the reason Jesus disciples who were fishermen and tax collectors, paid no tithe. Neither did He because He was supposedly a carpenter.)
Sadly, they pick and choose what suits them best, and when they notice that tithes and offerings go down, they scare the sheep by telling them how holy the tithe is and, if they are unfaithful to make their contribution, to put their tenth into their coffers, they say they are missing out God's blessings. But they even go one step farther by telling them that if they are not faithful in tithe and offering, they are robbing God, thus making them robbers. What a terrible lie!
But I just wonder, how many Seventh-day Adventists pastors would remain in ministry had their salaries cut by half and required to sell their big properties or their second property; their second and third car; and their unnecessary assets and give it to he poor, widow, orphan and needy? I quess most of them would walk away as the rich young ruler in Matthew 19:16-30.
Apparently our SDA leaders and people do not know what is the loud cry message . Sadely he said that it is not the message for the time
John 4:23-24; the hour cometh now is when (that is the time) when the true worshiper shall worship the father.
but the crisis that is coming is about comandment 1who , commandment 2 what, commandments 3 how, commandments 4 when and why we worship that is the first angle message and that is the issues in the last day
the second is warning us the Babylon is fallen because she has made all nation (remember it s not some) but all to drink of her wine (false doctrine) and that is the trinity doctrine and
not knowing the first who is the true and living God the third will be poured without mixture
Sadly a lot of SDA will receive the wrath of God because they rejected the one true God that is the father only and accepted the god of Rome which is the three god confusion
Thank You for Clarifying this Subject! PTL for the Truth as it is in Jesus!
Amen Amen pastor,well said,I pray GOD blessing and protection upon you and your family
Thank you for this powerful message
I am a member of Seventh Day Adventist Reform Movement and we believed in Godhead. Keep studying and God will show you the truth. 🙏🙏🙏
The Godhead = one true God, God the Father + one Lord, the Son of God Jesus Christ (John 17:3: 1 Corinthians 8:6)
God is not made up of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I was in the SDA reform church, if you study correctly you will see that the Father is the highest in order,. Yes the Son is God also but only in the sense of a Human father and son, the human son is still human like his father, however the humans father is still higher in order
@@wayneblucher7824 You are right, but you must take into account Psalm 2:7, which clearly shows that Christ was begotten by God the Father without the need of any woman, BEFORE the Creation (John 17:5,24). It also means that the nature of the son is the same as that of the Father, implying that Christ is God only in nature, but not in personality or identity, because the only true God is God the Father, according to Jesus himself. (Juan 17:3) and the Apostles (1 Corinthians 8:6).
@@wayneblucher7824 If the Son is God how can he be less than the Father who is God.
😮😆😂. You need a little counseling my friend.
@@alongcamejones309 He is God by inheritance. Just read Heb 1. God gave Jesus all the equal power and honour.
We can and should be silent only about the NATURE of the Spirit. BUT NOT ABOUT THE IDENTITY OF THE SPIRIT.
We must know who the Father is, we must know who the Son is. And we cannot call the Spirit is someone who stands and thrones beside the Father and the Son. That is making a different God next to the Father and his Son.
Theyre all one God Catholic. Here is the trinity in the old testament.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." -Isaiah 8:9
"Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore" -EGW (Review and Herald, April 5, 1906)
She also referred to the Holy Spirit as "the Third Person of the Godhead" (The Desire of Ages, p. 671)
Oh, and John 1. Oh, and Jesus saying Himself that He always was. But what does the Word of God or His prophet mayter to you anti trinity nut jobs?
In The Desire ofAges she writes that “sin could be resisted and overcome onlythrough the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead,who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullnessof divine power” (p. 671). This is how the text has read sinceits first publication in 1898. So how do opponents escape itsnatural interpretation that there are three distinct persons in theGodhead?
“It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost . . [John 14:16, 17 quoted.]” Ibid., 178, 179.
The Acts of the Apostles, 52: “The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden.” -EGW
Stop disobeying EGW and shut up you crazy anti trinity nut jobs! Stop wasting time on a non-issue. Youre all possessed by satan. And if we teach that the Son is not eternal and didnt always exist, then why did EGW call Michael the archangel Jesus??? Or that Priest Abram gave tithe to? You nut jobs are claiming that wasnt Christ??? Not ehat EGW and the bible says! Youre devils. Repent before it is too late.
(TM70)They do not want to open their eyes and realize that they have been misinterpreting and misapplying the Bible, piling up false doctrines(trinity&Saturday) and calling them fundamental doctrines of the faith.
Where do you stand on this now uncle David?
Thank you very much pastor Gates for that encouraging and powerful sermon. I truly wonder what those people say when baptising individuals since they are blaspheming the Holy Spirit. It is the same Spirit who is to seal us for Heaven.
"Those people" who founded the SDA church, were the Church of the Wilderness and were the entire early Christian movement for the first 300 years after Christ were happy to baptize in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit or the Name of Jesus. They believed the Holy Spirit was the Spirit of their Lord Jesus. It was His Spirit that enabled them to go through the fires of persecution and do the miraculous deeds they did in love. "Not I but Christ"was their constant cry. Galatians 4:6.
@@Vivoporjc well said brother! It is the spirit of Christ that the Father gives to say Abba Father!
The disciples only baptized in Jesus' name. They mentioned neither the Father nor the Spirit while baptizing. Would you say the disciples of Jesus were blaspheming? Perhaps the truth is inconvenient to us today: The disciples knew better than we do what Jesus' commission was.
David, your only safety you said is to do, but truly your only safety is to believe that God will do it. For it is written: Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath CEASED FROM HIS OWN WORKS, as God did from his. You David are working, just like the Pharisee who prayed with the publican. Which one do you think you are?
Pastor David, where do you stand now? Have you gone back on what you believed? Did pastor Walter convince you of his position? Do you think the pioneers were wrong?
Of course the Pioneers are wrong. Their teachings were far worse than the present day SDA teachings, and they are bad enough.
Why ?? Are you trying to turn Gates into a Heretic like yourself by encouraging him to deny that Jesus Christ was fully God in the Flesh.
Isn't David confused enough with all of the false doctrines of the SDA without you trying to force a wicked Heresy on to him that would negate his Salvation like you have Negated Yours !!
DAVID GATES SPOKE LIKE A TRUE POLITICIAN, IVE NEVER SEEN SOME ONE DANCE AROUND SO MUCH. SO SAD
Well put, Brother David.
Dear brother David, this is so sad. We can indeed know all about God that He has revealed to us in His word. We do not need to know the "nature" of the holy spirit, but we need to know who the holy spirit is. Youve taken refuge behind the standard fig-leaf of SDA. I fear that this presentation represents a man who has been intimidated. This is uncharacteristic of you. Your emphasis on being prepared for the final sealing is present truth. However, dear brother, the trinity will NOT do this for anyone. This is the work of the spirit of God which comes to us through the Son of God, Jesus Christ. The trinity doctrine denies the Father and the Son. He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (I John 2:22). We love you, Walter Veith, Conrad Vines and other truth teller that you will indeed "wake up" as you preach, and we pray for you. Jesus Himself, by His spirit , is the one who can cleanse your heart temple, not the imposter who presents himself as the third person of the godhead. Grace and peace.
The Holy Spirit is indeed the third person of the Holy Triune God. He is always referred to as 'He'.
He is just as much Almighty
God as the Father and Son are almighty God. Co Eternal, Co Existent, Co Equal.
ONE Almighty God Consisting in 3 persons.
David Gates is correct in preaching the Truth of the Holy Trinity.
Why are so many trying to re -introduce the old Heresy of the pioneers who shunned the Truth of the Holy Trinity.
Has Not the SDA Church got enough Heresies already like the Investigative Judgement without trying to re- introduce one of their Old Ones. 😮 Disgraceful 😊
@@alongcamejones309 apparently you're not a Seventh-day Adventist. We were founded as a movement to restore the faith of Jesus and the apostles, "It is written..." SOLA SCRIPTURA. Every doctrine we hold 8s thoroughly supported by good scriptural exegesis, except the one newly added in 1980-81 the Papal Trinity. Judging by his body language during his retraction.. my guess is that David was whipped unto compliance by those who control the money. Just a guess. I may be wrong.
@@patrickstevenson4124 Thanks for your reply. No I am not SDA. No offense but I could never join the SDA. IMO there are way to many erroneous doctrines held by this Church.
@@patrickstevenson4124 How on planet earth does the doctrine of the Trinity deny the Father and the Son. I don't know how that could be.??🙃
The doctrine of the trinity says that there are 3 co-equal, co- eternal gods or beings or persons. Since they all are equal and eternal then that means that they are all equal in age therefore the terms Father and Son cannot be taken literally since a Father is always older than his son. Also since the Son of the Trinity is but a metaphor then :John 3:16 becomes meaningless because God didn't actually have an only begotten Son to send and therefore those who believein the trinity do not have a Savior nor do they have the power of a resurrected life but instead merely have a form of godliness. The Bible was written in beautiful simple language so that a child who had not been indoctrinated into the wine of Babylon which has the trinity as their central
Doctrine can understand what it means when The Bible says Hear Oh Israel The Lord our God is One. Even a child knows that One is one and could never equal 3 and also that 1+1+1 =3 and not one. Also a child knows what eternal life is when Jesus says in John 17:3 This is life eternal, that they may know thee, the only true God and your Son Jesus Christ. They could also understand the numerous verses pointing to the Holy Spirit as being the Spirit of God and of Christ and not the spirit of a third entity. Choose this day whom you will serve . If Baal then worship the trinity ,but if God then worship The Father in spirit and in truth fir the Father seekers such to worship Him.
Godhead means Divinity not Trinity.
There is no mystery.
The one true God is the Father.
Jesus is His literal Son.
The Holy Spirit is the power and presence of the Father, given to His Son Whom offers to us.
Typical Trinitarian rhetoric.
S0 sad to hear from Bro. David.
Exactly. Backtracking.
It is the Holy Spirit that, in His work of guiding men into all truth, “He shall not speak of Himself.” John 15:26; 16:13. AA 51.3
The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden. AA 52.1
@@sherwinjones7084 The Spirit of the Father and the Spirit of His Son are the Holy Spirit! 1 Cor. 2:9-16, 11:3, Romans 8:1-12, Gal. 4:6, Col. 1:27, and many more.
Answer this question after reading DA, pg. 805.1-3
In John 20:20-21 did Jesus Christ breathe "another person" on the Disciples or did He breathe His OWN Holy Spirit on the Disciples?
@@davidmoorman7062 Absolutely! Jesus breathed His own Spirit on the disciples, and NOT another mysterious being; that's one of the greatest deception by Satan. The trinity was invented by Satan himself through which he robs God from worship that belongs to God and His Son alone.
“The Father and the Son Alone are to be exalted.” - (E.G. White, YI, July 7, 1898)
In Galatians 4:6 we read, I quote,
"And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."
@@rudolfberki8683 Amen brother!
God bless you and your family for clarification these things
What clarification sister. brother Gates says He doesn't understand the trinity well enough to discuss it that's what he said.
I am ashamed of myself, but growing up here speaking English, and now Spanish Spanish every where, is the biggest challenge…..a sermon , i agree with, is made so difficult to endure, because of speaking in tongues.
Mozem vediet preco neprekladate kazania br.Davida Gatesa ? Je niejaky dovod ?
Dakujem za odpoved
Stefan😊
You can write to his ministry. There is a translation into Spanish in this video but perhaps they can provide a subtitle service.
If I can understand God, I can put Him in a box and control Him. Do I want a god I can control? or do I want a God who is in control of everything?
It doesn’t matter if the trinity it’s a Catholic belief or a Buda belief or a Muslim belief 45:19 if it’s in the Bible i will believe it whole heartily
I love the way David says he diligently checked the writings of ellen white on the subject of the trinity, but WHAT ABOUT THE BIBLE??? Isn't the Bible supposed to be our 'go to' place for truth? If only more people would READ THEIR BIBLES, they would see that the vile man-made doctrine of the trinity is NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. It's very difficult to be deceived if your understanding is rooted in the Bible......that is of course, if you clear your mind of any preconceived ideas before you read it. Where does David think ellen white got her understanding from? Is God's fundamental nature only available to Adventists? SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES. Everything is in there......for those who want to learn the truth, that is.
I am watching from Papua New Guinea
Aren't we sanctified by the truth anymore brother Gate.?
OBEY! OBEY YOU SAY? Obedience David is a result of trusting every word that proceedeth from God's mouth, then obedience will be automatically, you can't work at it, God must give you an understanding as he gave me, and out of that love came OBEDIENCE! Period!
Is this the same David Gated who sang the song: "If"?
:-) No he is not, they just have the same name.
This is sad.
Obviously, someone is intimidating or threatening David.
He has turned 180 on his position.
And that's money.
1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
If Ps Gates were to change his position, then he will certainly lose almost all his supporters and financially will be bankrupt; but he fails to understand the power of God who is able to supply all his needs even if he accepts the beautiful truth on the personality of God and the Son.
NO NO NO WE MUST UNDERSTAND WHO WE SERVE
THE COMFORTER IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST
PLEASE LISTEN THIS EXCELLENT VIDEO ; HOW TRINITY ROBS CHRIST BY NADER MANSOUR
THERE IS ONE GOD
ONE SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST
AND THE SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD
SO, NO TRINITY NO THIRD PERSONS IT IS A BIG LIE
TRINITY NEVER EXISTED IT IS A FALSE GOD IT IS A QUESTION OF LIFE OR DEATH
ALL MY LOVE IN JESUS
The Power of God in the Third Person-The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.-Special Testimonies, Series A, 10:37. (1897). {Ev 617.2}
Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Apparently our SDA leaders and people do not know what is the loud cry message . Sadely he said that it is not the message for the time but the crisis that is coming is about comandment 1who , commandment 2 what, commandments 3 how, commandments 4 when and why we worship that is the first angle message.
the second is warning us the Babylon is fallen because she has made all nation (remember it s not some) but all to drink of her wine (false doctrine) and that is the trinity doctrine and
not knowing the first who is the true and living God the third will be poured without mixture
Sadly a lot of SDA will receive the wrath of God because they rejected the one true God that is the father only and accepted the god of Rome with is the three god confusion.
David, you just said the Pope is putting three things into work: 1. The Sunday Law, 2. The Trinity as they define it? David the bible doesn't define this the enemy does, you are deceived brother, badly 3. Participation in the Eucharist. David STUDY! EDUCATE! EDUCATE! EDUCATE! YOURSELF! For you are well on your way into the enemies camp and don't even know it. WOW! My husband didn't see it either, cause he loved a lie, which ended his so called love for me. I lost everything due to standing by God. You will too David, you will too, once you open your eyes and allow God to help you with that fear inside of CHANGE!
JUST ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW: What a weird and deceitful world it has become. There are those who call themselves "trinitarians" - and ARE NOT trinitarians at all - but faithful and authentic Triune ELOHIM worshippers, and those who call themselves "anti-trinitarians" - but are trinitarians all the way down to cell levels... They worship someone who The Lord Jesus NEVER uttered a word about- like God, Gott, Zeus, Deus, Dios, Dieu, Bruckan (Mongolian) or Pucheckhame (aboriginal Peruvian; imagine having to always read: "In the beginning Pucheckhame (or Bruckan) created the heavens and the earth"), and - "I am the only "Pucheckhame", and besides me there is no other Pucheckhame" anywhere in this vast universe!
They - just like the true to life "trinitarians" of yesteryear - discard the Eternity of "The Angel of The Lord", or "The Word" - later on called "The Son of God", and reject the Existence of 'The Spirit of ELOHIM', who could otherwise lead them to sanctified wisdom, repentance, humility - but "offending The Spirit" and just emanate instead false ideas as "The Father's breath"! And then - they think that they are "doing God a favor"! Sancta simplicitas...
I have total respect for Ellen White, but- she just borrowed and unawaredly bowed fully to the KJV of The Bible, which happens to be quite wrongly translated in John 1:14, 3:16,18, even in 1 John 4:9! I LOVE The KJV as well, but I NEVER take it as an authentic replica of the ORIGINAL inspired Word of ELOHIM, but just a translation. Wickliff translated for the first time in History the Bible in English, using The VULGATE as the source. A century later others, including Tyndale tried to make a better translation, using Greek manuscripts and codices, freshly arrived with men from The East, chased away by the Ottomans. Then we got an even better translation in the KJV, translated from the newly reassembled "Textus Receptus" from the best Greek manuscripts by the learned Erasmus of Rotterdam. So TODAY, let's remember that INSPIRATION is ALWAYS generated by The Spirit of ELOHIM, but the "writers" and translators were always just... humans!
So we ALWAYS must strive to get to the best and most authentic sources for the biblical text. Others put their life on the line so that we can have the best text. The authentic Word of ELOHIM - The Bible - absolutely NEVER mentioned that Lord Jesus was ever "begotten". YES, Baby Jesus was BORN (not begotten !) in Bethlehem, but that was the wonderful, mysterious and eternal FUSION between "The ETERNAL, Divine Angel of The Lord", and His now human body in order to become BOTH The Son of ELOHIM and a ransom for the fallen humanity. Please read Paul's words and see Hebrews 10:5, as confirmed from Psalm. 40-6 - or better yet - check the Psalm. 39-6 from The Septuagint !
We will perhaps NEVER fully understand what The ELOHIM - not an angel, seraphim or cherubim - not even a "begotten" being - but a true, authentic Person of DIVINITY undertook and sacrificed in order to save a lost humanity. And... that is another reason to Praise Him !
But... "begotten" ? How ? When ? Where ? Not in The Old Testament, and neither in The NEW.
Yes, the word "begotten" occurs many times in The New Testament, but that refers to us, the fallen people. WE are born again in ELOHIM. And YES, the word "begotten" also is mentioned in Romans 1:4, and Rev. 1:5 - referring to Lord Jesus. But NEVER referring to His being "begotten, fabricated, cloned, manufactured, born or even referring to His longevity, eternity or anything of the kind - but referring EXCLUSIVELY TO HIS RESURRECTION !
Amen!
David Gates your reference is on page 52 not page 42
And Reed this also
The office of the Holy Spirit is distinctly specified in the words of Christ: “When He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.” John 16:8. It is the Holy Spirit that convicts of sin. If the sinner responds to the quickening influence of the Spirit, he will be brought to repentance and aroused to the importance of obeying the divine requirements.
It is not essential for us to be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Spirit is the Comforter, “the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father.” It is plainly declared regarding the Holy Spirit that, in His work of guiding men into all truth, “He shall not speak of Himself.” John 15:26; 16:13.
@alongcamejones309
When we cut right through the chase, the Trinity is a farce. (By the way, the following is not exhaustive) Here's some evidence:
QUESTIONABLE PLURALS Part 2:
* Genesis 1:26 Then GOD said: "Let us" make man in our image, according to "our" likeness;
a.) The plurals in Genesis 1:26 ["let us"] and ["our"x2] are added.
* Genesis 3:22 And the LORD GOD said, Behold, the man has become like one of "us"...
a.) The plural ["us"] in Genesis 3:22 is added.
These "added plurals" do not belong in the translation because they do not appear in the Hebrew text. This can be easily confirmed. There are no Strong's numbers assigned to these plurals in the Strong's Dictionary.
P.D. Other examples of "added plurals" that can be shown for those interested.
29:30 to get to the point...
The Saviour was pointing forward to the time when the Holy Spirit should come to do a mighty work as His representative. The evil that had been accumulating for centuries was to be resisted by the divine power of the Holy Spirit. - {AA 47.1}
How hard is it to read that there are 3 that bear record in heaven .and thats not counting all the other scriptures.there are 3. Not 3 in one.
Fear is your tactic to keep the people "OBEDIENT" that is master term, love is God which is a son and an heir's term..
Brother, if you have the wrong God, you can't give the 3 angels message. WAKEUP BROTHER! Set aside time to understand the battle if you are a participant in it. David you should never be too busy for you to set aside time to learn the truth. Don't make excuses, SET ASIDE TIME! You can't forsake sin, only God can do that? YOU CAN"T DO IT! God has to. I will pray for your awakening, then the bible will be a different book. You said, " I don't know how God will do it"? Understand HE WILL! An understanding resting from your works. That is the issue, but if you are worshipping another god, you can't see the truth David. I was coming to work for you, and the battle was fierce in my household and My husband got rid of me, cause he was so legalistic, love had no part in him. WAKE UP DAVID PLEASE!
(TM70) false doctrine = Trinity & Saturday
The HOLY SPIRIT Is Jesus Christ (Letter66.1894.April.4)
Yes God head is the correct verbage.not Trinity.and our mission is to preach the 3 angels message not argue about things we do not know
The Holy Spirit was the highest of all gifts that He [Jesus] could solicit from His Father for the exaltation of His people. The Spirit was to be given as a regenerating agent, and without this the sacrifice of Christ would have been of no avail. The power of evil had been strengthening for centuries, and the submission of men to this satanic captivity was amazing. Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the third person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power.72 {FLB 52.6}
The Holy Spirit is an effective helper in restoring the image of God in the human soul.73 {FLB 52
Silience is not good when saying the son of God is a metaphore and not a real son and this is what the sda church
believes. Christ is the only begotten son of God. There is one God the father and His son
and their spirit , the holy spirit.
You can't preach anything without the son.
KJV Deuteronomy 6:4
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
KJV Mark 12:29, 32
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
KJV 1 Corinthians 8:6
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
KJV 2 Corinthians 5:18
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
KJV 1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
KJV Galatians 1:8
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
KJV 2 Corinthians 11:4, 14
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
KJV Revelation 12:9-10
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
KJV Revelation 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
By the time when the Bible was written, nearly the whole world had adopted either Polytheism or Pantheism. Polytheism taught that there were many gods, even thousands of them. Athens is said to have thirty thousand gods. Rome had its Own gods, Greece had its gods, Egypt had its gods. Each was willing to allow that the others' gods were just as good as its own. Every nation, every city, and even every household, had its peculiar god. In opposition to this, Moses and the prophets set the grand fact that this doctrine of many gods was a lie, and that there was One God, Jehovah, the living God. (Canright D. M. ARSH August 29, 1878)
Says the great apostle, " There is none other God but one," and "there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things." He tells us who this one God is. It is not the Holy Ghost; it is not Jesus Christ, but it is the Father. Gal. 3: 20; 1 Tim. 1: 17. There is, then, only one wise God. 1 Tim. 2:5; Deut. '6:4. Those who are familiar with the Bible will see that I have selected only a few of the plainest texts upon this doctrine. How the doctrine of the trinity, of three Gods, can be reconciled with these positive statements I do not know. It seems to me that nothing can be framed which more clearly denies the doctrine of the trinity, than do the scriptures above quoted. (Canright D. M. RH August 29, 1878)
The Father has given the world into the hands of Christ, that through His mediatorial work He may redeem man and vindicate the authority and holiness of the law of God. All the communion between heaven and the fallen race has been through Christ. It was the Son of God that gave to our first parents the promise of redemption. - PP 366.1
God and Christ knew from the beginning, of the apostasy of Satan and of the fall of Adam through the deceptive power of the apostate. The plan of salvation was designed to redeem the fallen race, to give them another trial. Christ was appointed to the office of Mediator from the creation of God, set up from everlasting to be our substitute and surety. Before the world was made, it was arranged that the divinity of Christ should be enshrouded in humanity. " - 1SM 250.1
Let the missionaries of the cross proclaim that there is one God, and one Mediator between God and man, who is Jesus Christ the Son of the Infinite God. This needs to be proclaimed throughout every church in our land. Christians need to know this, and not put man where God should be, that they may no longer be worshipers of idols, but of the living God. Idolatry exists in our churches. - 1888 886.3
Liberty of conscience, which has cost so great a sacrifice, will no longer be respected. In the soon-coming conflict we shall see exemplified the prophet's words: "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17. - GC88 592.3
MAYBE I WILL SHARE MY OPINION ABOUT "UNITY" , when we are ALIVE is because the BREATH OF LIFE IS IN OUR LUNGS, when we died (even animals) the BREATH OF LIFE RETURN TO GOD WHO GAVE IT IN FIRST PLACE...BUT when my breath of life go back to him, He treasures and hold to Himself my particular BREATH OF LIFE TO RETURN IT TO MY RESURRECTED BODY, so if He said that Jesus will bring with Him the dead, for me signifies God is bringing my breath of life with my person DNA to create me again. THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE, BUT EVEN SO I CAN BE UNITE WITH GOD, LIVING BY GOD I AM NOT HIM; I AM MYSELF.AND HE IS MY GOD, SEPARATE PHYSICALLY FROM ME.
Its what the bible's position is what counts.
There is no place in the bible once where you can find God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy gost...not once..please pray about it..may God help you in evey way..he know your heart..
Dear brother in Christ, even though we can’t find the frase: “God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holly Ghost”, the Word of God is very clear when we study with His divine help by asking Him wisdom and understanding. One very important principal to understand God’s Holly Word, is to letting it interpreting itself, not only in the context of a chapter, but also in the context of the whole Bible in every specific topic; so we can have the complete spectrum of what we need to know and understand. God is not a God of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33).
When we understand this key principle, we won’t ask from our limited capricious, perspective like Nicodemus, trying to play smart with God: “How can someone be born when they are old?” John 3:4.
Similar with other words like tabaco, mariguana, etc. We won’t find them in the Bible, but the principle of health and our body as the temple of the Holly Spirit is very clear.
The Bible also teaches us the truth about one God in three persons, in the creation, and the plan of redemption; and that every one of them have same divine attributes: perfect, immutable, transcendent, omniscient, omnipresent, personal, free, all-loving, all-just, all-merciful, and the power to create the universe( Gen. 1:2, 26; Col. 1:13-16,17. Holly Spirit divine attributes; Regeneration(Jn. 3:6; Gal. 5:22-23 Spiritual gifts
Life giving (Rom. 8:10; 1Cor.12:11
“God is too wise to be mistaken
God is too good to be unkind
So when you don't understand
When don't see His plan
When you can't trace His hand
Trust His Heart”(🎶🎵)
God bless you. 🙏
So wrong, we find all 3 from Genesis vs 1 & 2, 1 John 5:7, John 1:1-3 and so many many more. You need to restudy and pray.
Acts 8:29
Bible Truth:
There is one God, the Father. I Cor 8:6; Eph 4:6
(AKA The Most High; The Almighty God; The Living God; Ancient of Days).
God is holy. God is Spirit. I Pet 1:16; Jn 4:24
All things come from God. Lk 10:22; I Cor 8:6, 11:12; Rom 11:36; 2 Cor 5:18; I Tim 6:13; Heb 3:4.
The only begotten Son came forth from God. Mic 5:2; Jn 6:57; 8:42, 16:27, 28, 17:8.
The one Spirit of truth comes from God.
Eph 4:4; Jn 15:26; Gal 4:6
The Holy Spirit and the Son do not speak on Their own but what the Father commands.
Jn 5:19, 30; 6:38; 12:49; 14:10, 24; 16:13
The “third person of the Godhead” is a misunderstanding. Later in that same paragraph EGW explains it is Christ’s Spirit. DA 671, Not another person or spirit! Jesus spoke often in the third person as the Son of Man. No one can take the place of Christ’s Spirit but Satan has tried. He receives worship as millions pray to “god the holy spirit “ in the trinity doctrine which came from the RCC around 325 AD.
Study the Word of God, especially John 14 and you will see there is not another person in the Godhead other than the Father & Son-2 Beings-only the One God, the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ and Their Holy Spirit.
Jn 14:23; 17:21; Rom 8:9-11.
Jesus is very clear that “I will come to you.”
The disciples understood this but not how He would manifest Himself to them and not to the world. John 14:20, 23; 17:21 clarifies that it is the Father and Jesus that abide in us- no other spirit.
One example of WHO the Holy Spirit is-is found in 3 parallel verses:
“Don’t worry beforehand…but whatever is given you in that hour, speak that, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.”
Mark 13:11
“…for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.”
Matthew 10:19,20
“Therefore settle it not in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist.” Luke 21:14,15.
See also Romans 8:9-11.
I cannot believe I am hearing this. We cannot get to heaven if we don't understand this. This is life eternal that they know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent. The godhead is not a mystery. There are just three text in the Bible that uses the term godhead and they are very clear. Acts 17:29 Romans 1:20 Colossians 2:9 . If you are a trintarian then you are antichrist. Brother gates have sold out and I pray that God in his mercy will open his eyes.
Yes, for it is written, "... He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." (1 John 2:2)
It couldn't be clearer. I am saddened to see how many professed SDAs deny this.
The Holly Spirit is the spirit of God Himself. He gave His Spirit to His Son, and to us to be One . As we Father are one, so they will be one with Us.
Jesus is not the Holy Spirit Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
So which is it uncle david where do you stand?
"Satan has a great heart for evil, and is wise only in plotting sin. Ever since his fall, he has been working against God. He has done everything in his power to tear down what God has built. He is the true meaning of the Sabbath. Everything they taught all togather is wrong They built up the tradition(Saturday) and maximized it so that God's Sabbath (Ezk46:3) was hidden from sight (RH1897July). 6)":
They are not Jews, but a synagogue of Satan. (Revelation 2:9) They say they are a synagogue of Satan, that is, Jews, but they are not... (Revelation 3:9): To avoid following the fables of the Jews and the commandments of those who betray the truth (Titus 1:14)
They chose new gods, and the battle came to the gate. Was there a shield or a spear among the forty thousand men of Israel (Judges 5:8)?
They did not sacrifice to God, but to demons, gods they had not known, new gods that have come in recent times (1939/1980), which your ancestors did not fear (Deuteronomy 32:17): But the understanding heart and seeing The LORD has not given you eyes and hearing ears until today (Deuteronomy 29:4).
Some people use the words Almighty God (God and the Holy Spirit) in an overlapping manner and use His holy name in prayer in a careless and careless manner, which is displeasing to God: “His name is a fearful name, “Do not use words all at once,” said the angel (Magisterium 252):
Some people in their prayers use the two words Almighty God (Holy Spirit / God) in a rash and careless manner, but this displeases God (Early 122):
And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks a word against the Holy Spirit (Christ) will not be forgiven, neither in this world nor in the world to come (Matthew 12:32).
They do not want to open their eyes and recognize that they have misinterpreted and applied the Bible, piled up false doctrines, and called them fundamental doctrines of faith (Pastor 70)
New and unfamiliar doctrines were presented to the people (1939/1980). Those who wish to realize and accept the truth meet the most determined and subtle opposition. Pastors, friends and acquaintances will make every effort to gather the seeds of truth that have been sown in their hearts (6T74):
Pastors and wise men introduced new doctrines (3SM31):
Nahum 1:11 A man (Pastor Froom) who plots evil against the LORD has come out from among you, recommending evil things.
They are unwilling to open their eyes and recognize that they have misinterpreted and applied the Bible, piled up false doctrines and called them basic tenets of the faith (TM70).
It is impossible to pour out the Holy Spirit on those whose minds are fixed and caught up in an unchanging doctrine (Trinity) and who, like the Jews of Christ's day, walk according to tradition and human commandments (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) (1SM74)
Ephesians 4:9 If it is said that he ascended, what does it mean but that he descended into the lower parts of the earth (the Spirit of Christ at Pentecost)?
Ephesians 4:10 He (the Holy Spirit) who came down is the one who ascended above all heavens (Jesus), that he might fill all things: The Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ (Lt 66.1894.4.10):
Jesus knew that they wanted to ask him a question, and he said to them, “Are you questioning one another because I said, ‘A little while and you will not see me, and again a little while (10 days later, on Pentecost) and you will see me?’” (John 16:19)
1 Now when the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
3 Then there appeared to them cloven tongues like as of fire, one on each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit (Jesus), and they began to speak in other languages, as the Spirit gave them utterance (Acts 2:1-4).
Christ's humanity prevented Him from being present in every place. Therefore, it was for their benefit that Jesus should go to his Father and send the Holy Spirit as his successor on earth. Then there will be no one who will not benefit because of location or lack of personal contact with Christ. The Savior would be near to all by His Holy Spirit. In this respect Jesus would have been closer to them than if he had not ascended.-The Desire of Ages, 669.
Christ said that the holy influence of the Holy Spirit would remain with His disciples until the end of time. But the promise is not valued as it should be, and its fulfillment is therefore not as evident as it should be. The promises of the Holy Spirit are treated as trifling matters, and the predictable results are spiritual want, spiritual darkness, spiritual corruption, and spiritual death.-8T, 21.
Because the people chose the 1939-year-old God+40 years, they are a deluded people and do not know my ways (Psalm 95:10) = Since they chose the 1980-year-old unclean spirit Trinity doctrine+bear 40 years of iniquity (Ezekiel 4:6) ) = 2020 BREXIT (Dan. 2:35) + 1/2 hour 7th Seal (Rev. 8:1) = October 10, 2027 Day of Atonement: It is said above that the Lord did not desire sacrifices, offerings, burnt offerings, and sin offerings, but was pleased with them. He said He would not do it (Hebrews 10:8).
“No man has beheld G-d at any time”-John’s own words, a man that walked and broke bread with the Messiah?!
Tio David le quiero animarlo que ore de vuelta y que tenga el coraje como tuvo antes de poner primero a Dios y no la plataforma que construyó… la pelea es siempre entre el mammon VS Dios …o sea mi voluntad o la voluntad de Dios.
Jeremiah 9 (KJV)
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²³ Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
²⁴ But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
Blessings
Keep searching Elder David.
The Lord will make known to who he is as he is revealed in his word and in your life. Look to the old paths that were laid by our pioneers who had the faith once delivered to the Saints...
“And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.”
- Jeremiah 29:13
When I first found the truth about the Father and his only begotten son, it was a lonely path and I lost alot of friends, but I realised standing for the truth was everything and it was setting me free. In Gods time I believe you'll see the truth regarding this subject . The tables are turning and God is drawing our hearts to the only true God and Jesus Christ his son whom he sent (John 17:3)
God bless
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Kia Ora from a fellow kiwi
The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure. - {1SM 204.2}
SDA will…”giving up doctrines which stand as pillars of our faith”; “principle of truth…discarded”; “fundamental principles…accounted as error” They will “regard God lightly… without God, will remove God” What will be left??
The word allon or another meant another. Let’s stop this in this note
Just three verses suffice to show that the Trinity dogma comes from the spirit of antichrist:
Jesus: "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24)
Jesus: "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." (Luke 24:39)
John: "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." (1 John 4:2-3)
According to Jesus, God is a spirit and he himself was not. John further says that those who deny that Jesus came in the flesh (and "a spirit hath not flesh and bones," so saying Jesus is God denies he had flesh) have the spirit of antichrist. That spirit of antichrist, which came more fully later, promulgated the Trinity doctrine beginning at the Council of Nicaea in AD 325. Those who continue to accept this "wine of Babylon" continue in this same spirit of antichrist.
In his conclusion he speaks "the three things"
Do your research the pioneer did not believe in the trinity it was bought in the church. The holy spirit is of God and it is received from the Father to his son Jesus Christ and given to us as a comforter its is not a person. They are two thrones in heaven not three.
“For the benefit of those who may desire to know more particularly the cardinal features of the faith held by this denomination, we shall state that Seventh-day Adventists believe,- “1. In the divine TRINITY. This TRINITY consists of THE ETERNAL FATHER, a personal, SPIRITUAL BEING, omnipotent, omniscient, infinite in power, wisdom, and love; of the Lord Jesus Christ, THE SON OF THE ETERNAL FATHER, through whom all things were created, and through whom the salvation of the redeemed hosts will be accomplished; the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead, the one regenerating agency in the work of redemption.” (F.M. Wilcox, Review and Herald, Oct 9, 1913, pg21)
No, Sister White never wrote that.
@@rudolfberki8683 Yes that is clear by the reference I provided. But this was written before Ellen White died, so all the arguments that say the biblical trinity was snuck in after she died is false. have a great sabbath Rudolph
@@ericfolks1503 I am afraid, the quote you are referring to was written by F. M. Wilcox in the Review and Herald (R&H) and not by Sister White. She wasn't in charge of the R&H, so not all writings published by R&H met her approval. You need to study the church's history in order to understand that.
But for argument sake let's say she approved what F. M. Wilcox said. If that were the case, then we are facing a huge dilemma simply because after accepting the truth and the call from the Lord she wasn't a trinitarian. Sister White clearly said, I quote,
“Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His Father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself, divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall [although unseen by you] teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. ... Nevertheless, I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.” {Lt119-1895.18}
“They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--” - (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)
"It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, “the Spirit of truth, which the Father shall send in my name.” [John 14:26.] “I will pray the Father, and he shall send you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him; but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” [Verses 16, 17.] This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter. Again Jesus says, “I have many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit, when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth.”" [John 16:12, 13.] 7LtMs, Lt 7, 1891, par. 14
“And when He had said this, He [Christ] breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: ... Before the disciples could fulfil their official duties in connection with the church, Christ breathed His Spirit upon them.” - (E.G. White, Desire of Ages, p. 805)
“The promise of the Holy Spirit is not limited to any age or to any race. Christ declared that the divine influence of His Spirit was to be with His followers unto the end. From the Day of Pentecost to the present time, the Comforter has been sent to all who have yielded themselves fully to the Lord and to His service.” - (E.G. White, AA, 49.2)
“Christ came to our world, but the world could not endure His purity. He has gone to His Father, but He has sent His Holy Spirit to represent Him in the world till he shall come again.” - (E.G. White, Ms1, Jan 11, 1897)
She wrote about the Holy Spirit being a separate divine person of the Godhead, the Third Person of the Godhead.
And you need to study what the title Spirit of Christ means first. You think it means that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same person because that not at all what it means.
There are other names and titles for the Holy Spirit, you should try and study those as well and not be so one track minded on one verse.
The other names and titles show us the different attributes and aspects of the Holy Spirit and His character.
Spirit of Christ is another name or title for the Holy Spirit. It does not mean that the Holy Spirit and Jesus are the same person because we cannot ignore the many verses that prove they are separate persons. The messiah is called the “Everlasting Father” in Isaiah 9:6. But we know that Jesus and the Father are separate persons. Jesus and His Father are ONE so Isaiah 9:6 makes sense after reading John 10:30.
Paul mentioned the Spirit of Jesus and Christ in Galatians and Philippians 1:19. But we know he is not saying that the Holy Spirit and Jesus are the same person because in other epistles he wrote he clearly defines them both as separate ex. In Romans 8:26-27,34, 2 Corinthians 13.14, and Matthew 12:31-32. We cannot define one text without taking the weight of evidence into consideration.
The Holy Spirit has many names or titles. Example.
Spirit of prophecy Revelation 19:10
Spirit of adoption Romans 8:15
Eternal Spirit Hebrews 9:14
Holy Spirit Matthew 12:31-32
Spirit of God Matthew 3:16-17
Spirit of Christ 1 Peter 1:11
Spirit of Jesus Christ Phil 1:19
Spirit of His Son Gal 4:6
Spirit of truth
Spirit of wisdom
The Spirit
Comforter/Helper/Advocate
Spirit of grace Hebrews 10:29 (and He can be insulted and He is mentioned apart from the Son of God in this verse)
These different names or titles teach us different aspects of who the Holy Spirit is and His unique work He performs for our salvation.
He is the Spirit of Christ because He does not speak on His own authority but on the authority of Christ, that which He hears He speaks. He teaches us and guides us into all the truths of the Bible including the testimony of Jesus Revelation 12:17, 19:10.
He is the representative of Christ on earth.
Peter also did not mean that the Holy Spirit and Jesus are the same person.
1 Peter 1:11
“searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.”
So “HE” the Spirit of Christ, “testified” about the sufferings of Christ. Peter did not believe they were the same person.
1 Peter 1:2
“elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father(1)in sanctification of the Spirit(2)for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ(3)Grace to you and peace be multiplied.”
So we can call Jesus the Son of God and believe that Jesus and the Father are two persons but we call the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God and say that they are the same person? No, they are separate.
@@ericfolks1503 No matter how hard you try and twist scriptures and SOP, throughout the whole Scripture and SOP we find ONLY two divine beings: God, the Father, and His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ; and not three.
Regarding the Holy Spirit, the Scripture and SOP tell us that IT is the Spirit of God and the Son.
Peter and Sister White referred to the Holy Spirit by 'it'. If the Holy Spirit were a separate being from the Father and Son, then it would be a blasphemy to do that; but not so.
And, yes, both the Father and the Son are called SPIRITS because they are revealed to us as spirit beings, (so they are two Holy Spirits), but they have one Spirit, (2 Cor. 3:17) and are one in Spirit.
So, I am afraid, you are utterly wrong.
Pastor Gates, there is nothing complex about the personality of the Father and the Son, and about the identity of the Holy Spirit. The word "Godhead" means deity, divinity and not a God composed of three divine beings as per the trinity doctrine; that's a false pagan doctrine. Although the nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery, the identity is not. The Scriptures and Spirit of Prophecy are clear on that which God has already revealed to us. And if you confess and worship a false pagan trinity god, you aren't worshipping the only and one true God of the Bible, (John 17:3 and 1 Corinthians 8:6), and spiritually has grievous consequences.
The Spirit of Prophecy tells us, I quote,
". . . Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father--one in nature, in character, in purpose--the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. . . . The Father wrought by His Son in the creation of all heavenly beings." (PP p.34, par. 1-2).
"The Father and the Son engaged in the mighty, wondrous work they had contemplated - of creating the world." (PP p.44)
"After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now God says to his Son, "Let us make man in our image." (ST Jan. 9, 1879; par. 13)
"In the beginning the Father and the Son had rested upon the Sabbath after Their work of creation." (DA p.769, par.2)
"The great plan of redemption was laid before the foundation of the world. Christ did not stand alone in this wondrous undertaking for the ransom of man. In the councils of heaven, before the world was created, the Father and the Son covenanted together that if man proved disloyal to God, Christ, one with the Father, would take the place of the transgressor, and suffer the penalty of justice that must fall upon him." (RH November 15, 1898; par. 1)
". . . Christ and the Father would redeem the fallen race." (ST Feb. 17, 1909; par. 9)
"His death had answered the question whether the Father and the Son had sufficient love for man to exercise self-denial and a spirit of sacrifice." (PP p.69, par. 3)
"…Adam and Eve united with them [the birds and all nature] in thanksgiving to the Father and the Son." (PP p. 50)
"The Son of God shared the Father's throne, and the glory of the eternal, self-existent One encircled both. . . . none but Christ, the Only Begotten of God, could fully enter into His purposes, and to Him it was committed to execute the mighty counsels of His will" (PP, p. 36)
“Before the entrance of evil, there was peace and joy throughout the universe. All was in perfect harmony with the Creator’s will. Love for God was supreme, love for one another impartial. Christ the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,-one in nature, in character, and in purpose,-the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God.” - (Great Controversy, 493)
"…Christ and the Father would redeem the fallen race." (ST Feb. 17, 1909; par. 9)
Two divine beings, and not three! Or, where is god the holy spirit, if he exists? Or, how come that god the holy spirit could not enter into all the counsels and purposes of God? The only answer is that the so-called "god the holy spirit" is Satan himself who invented the trinity doctrine through which he claims worship that belongs to the Father and the Son alone.
“The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted.” - (E.G. White, YI, July 7, 1898)
So, if you believe that God is a triune God you are in error, you worship a false pagan god which is not biblical simply because in Scripture we ONLY find two and distinct divine beings: God, the Father and His only begotten Son; and of the Holy Spirit the Scripture tells us that it is the Spirit of the Father and of the Son.
And concerning the Seventh-day Adventist church and the Sunday law, Sister White had this to say, I quote,
"The Lord has a controversy with his professed people in these last days. In this controversy men in responsible positions will take a course directly opposite to that pursued by Nehemiah. They will not only ignore and despise the Sabbath themselves, but they will try to keep it from others by burying it beneath the rubbish of custom and tradition. In churches and in large gatherings in the open air, ministers will urge upon the people the necessity of keeping the first day of the week. There are calamities on sea and land: and these calamities will increase, one disaster following close upon another; and the little band of conscientious Sabbath-keepers will be pointed out as the ones who are bringing the wrath of God upon the world by their disregard of Sunday." RH March 18, 1884, par. 8
Amen.
Oooh brother Gates, God has given us knowledge to know how many are in the counsel of God.
But wait a minute, does not the SOP stated that the SEALING is the affirmation both intellectually and Spiritually?
Can we be sealed with errors in our minds if the sealing is an intellectual affirmation?
I hope brother continues to search for the truth.
The trinity is not about knowing the nature is it about knowing God and how many formed the Godhead.
The holy spirit is the spirit of both God and Jesus.
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John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 👈😎
Yes!
Zechariah 6:13
Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
So sad to see you back peddle what you basically said in another video. I was so pleased to see that you understood that the trinity was added later in church history and wasn't part of the pioneers beliefs but now this.. so very sad... prayers for you and all you're misleading.. you sound like Ted Wilson now 😢
Not 3 just 1
Isa 28:7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
Isa 28:8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.