Mark Finley talks about David Gates video "Even at the Door"
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- In this video Pastor Mark Finley talks about the David Gates video titled "Even at the Door"
There are two verbal corrections. One where Mark says 12,600 where he meant 1,260 (at 4:38) and another where he says historical and meant Historicist (7:10).
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Recently, Pastor David Gates was involved in a plane crash, which could had been fatal. I think Pastor Mark Finley should had at least mentioned that we are happy to know that our brother is doing well. Sometimes a little concern is more important than trying to make theology right!
The same thought went through my mind. But no mention that he is miraculously still alive, but just a video that attacks his message. I discern which spirit is behind this video, and it is NOT the SPIRIT OF GOD!
Rajeev Larka - You are right. I like both pastors, they are both on the same team but at least Pr. Finley should have even visited Pr. Gates as a brotherly gesture and then if they couldn't agree he would then be free to go public.
Well this life isnt as important as eternal life if some one loses their life but have eternal life that is more important that no one is misslead by false teachings
maybe Mark does not know that as I did not
Those who listened to Gates carefully did not even mind much about the time, but instead the need for preparation.
Precisely! I will heed the warning given by brother Gates regardless whether or not there is any validity to the time parallels. I want to avoid speaking ill about anyone but I would encourage others to be cautious of those that are influential in the SDA church. I don't know Gates very well but I feel that he has a genuine and vital connection with the Lord.
Sadly, you are probably half right, Nsanzumukiza. That is because they are not Bible students, and are instead just listening for something to tickle their itching ears. Of course when the time passes with nothing happening (like it has in the past with Br. Gates' ridiculous time predictions), some people will fall away from the truth.
@@earlysda ... Thanks for sharing. I'm not very knowledgeable on brother Gates, has he made many time predictions? What are some examples if you don't mind?
@@earlysda ... Not sure I understand your comment very well. He made the statement that people were not focused on the time predictions but on the need for preparation. What's that got to do with itching ears? Itching ears are attracted to the peace and safety nothing to see or hear here message. And if the time passes without occasion, people that have heeded the message to prepare are gonna fall away some how? I guess it depends how they prepared... Am I a poor student of the Bible if I decide to take the warning to heart and use the time for strengthening my relationship with my Lord?
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: matt 24:32
Even William Miller was wrong about the event he predicted would take place in 1844 yet by his preaching and proclamations the people were awakened to the imminent coming of Jesus and the need to BE READY before the door of salvation closes. Likewise, David Gate's sermon was to WAKE THE CHURCH UP and much less about date setting. I found David Gates sermon to be hugely encouraging and I am even more determined to live for God in these last days before my name passes through the Heavenly courts. Blessings.
Amen! Soon and verry soon Jesus is coming again
God led in the message of William Miller. That was his will then. Then he told us thru Ellen White to NEVER have a time excitement again. So that's how we can know for sure that Br. Gates is not led by God in this issue.
@@earlysda Pr Gates stated it was his own opinion. He never claimed to be a prophet but instead was stating what he personally believed would take place early next year. It was a wake up call to be ready as these events are very near. How can the Conference speak out so quickly against Davd Gates but refuse to do a public video and address all the apostacy taking place in the Church at present. I would rather they leave David Gates to his own opinions and prefer to hear why the Conference is misappropriating our tithe money, why they are ordaining Lesbian ministers and elders in our church, the unbiblical women's ordination debate and the Great Hope debacle to name a few. David Gates refused to sign one of the points in the Church's Working Policy, which is why the Church is speaking out against him. Yet David Gates is on the frontline doing volunteer missionary work and trying to wake his beloved Church up. I want to be one of the wise virgins with oil in their lamp while waiting for Jesus return. (Furthermore, Pr Jeremiah Davis has been preaching for YEARS that there is only a few short months until the Sunday law is enforced, yet he has not been openly rebuked for preaching this because Pr Jeremiah Davis is still in the Conference, yet David Gates is not). However I do respect your opinion 🤗 Blessings.
Examine first yourself before you examine others David gate is true shepherd of Christ
I remember when I was a teenager that my youth group leader in my church was ran out of the church because he was sharing the book "Faith and Works" by Ellen G White which brought righteousness by faith to the surface, and the conservative members didn't appreciate the attack on their 10 commandments. Afraid of "new age religion." How they treated my youth group leader led me to hate the church and I left during a time when I had a lot of zeal but was young and knew nothing. I take full responsibility for my lack of commitment to God and for the time I spent separated from God, but it is a shame that so much division within the church is throwing many mixed messages to our youth and newer members. If only we could allow God to shake without our selfish motives causing unnecessary and painful aftershocks. I hope and pray we can all focus more on reflecting God’s character to the rest of the world, having no expectations from humans or demons other than what has been foretold by God, and having all faith in God that He will do as He promised and is in control of His church and directing it's leaders and trying the leaders as He does any other human. We can do nothing to change a person's heart. Only God can change a person's heart. Even our own. Forgive me for rambling. I just grieve over the cosmic conflict in every battlefield. Especially within the church. But I know that Satan works harder there than any other place. I am just a spiritual baby. I am as a child in my knowledge and wisdom and I have no words to say for encouragement or advice. But I do want to hold on to Jesus tighter than ever as I see and feel the very ground shaking beneath my feet. I want to pray more fervently for our church and my brothers and sisters.
I have great respect for Mark Finley. His name is well known in the Seventh Day Adventist Church and some people might say that he is one of the great speakers of our time. His message in the video covers the historical views of both Daniel and Revelation. However, the progressive focus of Daniel 8-12 is on the END TIMES. Mark, I guess my really important question is, what is the impact factor of your message for those who are living at the VERY end of time? Are the Ellen White quotes that you used consistent with ALL of her writings concerning TIME? Failure or insufficiency to look at ALL of her writings is a typical sign of bad research. Ellen White made it clear that the time prophecies in Daniel 12 were a part of the end time messages that extended to the second coming. She also said they were a part of the third Angels message. Mark, your research says that you have an axe to grind with David Gates, nothing more. Any attempt to inject emotion into a Biblical argument is usually a sign that the person making the argument has a motive other than finding out the truth. Mark, I disagree with your motives, there are many different people who have videos on RUclips that are talking about end time events, surely you don't agree with all of them but I've never heard you speak out against them. Emotion should not be your motive in Biblical research. It is also important to note, when there is a disagreement like the one presented by Mark, there is usually a political reason for the dispute. David Gates, wherever you are, probably feeding the poor in some far off land, stay strong! We know that you did not set a date for Christ return and you did NOT say that 2019 was a guarantee of Christ return. God bless you brother David. www.endtimeissues.com
same I said. I agree with you. Happy Sabath
A lot of opposition is coming from pastors that dont preach present truth i wonder why
Joel 2:28 "And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.
I watched Gates' video and I thought it was on point... worse case it will cause us all to pray, read our Bibles, and ask for guidance from the Holy Spirit....what i do know is that Rome is focused and we are not...
If this isn't the shaking... I don't know what is!
yes!
please give me a break... with all that is happening men of trusted position in the org. going to the vatican and waving the their flag in a conference meeting and Ted Wilson was ok with that and no out rage but you are concern about david gates???????????
This was posted several years ago. Don't be so quick to judge.
@@HL365 yet he was there… he is following after the beast for a wile now.
He was correct. Even the prediction Mark is critisizing. Covid started in that year. And David never set an exact date and never claimed to be absolutely correct on anything, yet he was on the covid. The first global seige.
Gates stood up for my freedom of conscience. The GC attacked mine under threat of buying and selling! The second global seige will come very soon. We are post Mark supporting violation of my conscience... Been post... nothing?....
And Loma Linda flues a rainbow flag? And Walla Walla hires a Sunday pastor as their new university president? And mon SDA text books are used in all of our SDA universities to teach truth?😢
I just went back to this video by David Gates which was posted 2 years ago. Mark, you need to go back a listen again.
Why? What is new? The predicted date of David gates has come and passed and what he predicted has not come to pass.
@@HL365--- Pastor Gate said: "it may happen if God allows it or it may not happen". He is not prophesying!
Pastor Gate said: "it may happen if God allows it or it may not happen". He is not prophesying!
Amen!!!!
@@HL365 no, not true.
Mark, you have to understand that when you say "my understanding of" is no different than David saying that his "understanding of it is". If I remember correctly David did say that this is what he believed, not that it is unequivocally fact.
When you say God showed me, or God told me, in effect you're saying that what you're sharing is infallible because it came from God. Pretty serious claims.
Yes, I agree. I do somehow remember a disclaimer of sorts, such as I mentioned in my comment. He did mention corroboration of his information with other like minded men, which can come from Bible study and fellowship. If he claimed to be speaking authoritatively (as a prophet) then I am skeptical, really, really skeptical. Do I think time is almost up, unequivocally yes, do I have good reasons to believe this, YES, do I have absolute proof, not so much. @@ronsagmuller1350
If your message needs as many disclaimers as David's did, then you shouldn't preach it in a public forum.
The coming of Jesus Christ is at the door. Happy Sabbath from Dimapur India
Happy Sabbath from Texas, U.S.A.
Shabbat Shalom Dimapur India - a sister across the world!
Mark Finley, David Gates, Ted Wilson, Doug batchelor they are all VERY GOOD PASTOR no need to argue about that if Sunday law is already applied today or not yet we just need to get ready for our coming savior Jesus Christ couse we don't even know when we are going to die.
If not for the Even at the Door sermon of David Gates, we would be stucked in Manila, lockdown for a year when the pandemic hit. But we were able to prepare leaving the city at least 3 months before the pandemic. My husband and I thanked God that we were able to watch that sermon Even at the door. No one in the mainstream SDA pastors saw it coming and warned the church. But Pastor David Gates did.
I recommend that instead of thanking brother David Gates for making your life better, Thank 😊 JESUS CHRIST up in Heaven, and The HOLY FATHER IN HEAVEN. The HOLY Spirit here on earth now, wants to continue to help and protect you, and open your understanding NOT TO FOLLOW ANY MAN on earth. Rev 14:1-5 "...they follow THE LAMB (Jesus Christ) whithersoever HE Goeth..." Not follow the errors and time setting and false predictions about "...the National Sunday Law will be enforced in 2019..." like David Gates falsely predicted. "WE LOOK FOR THE SAVIOR FROM HEAVEN...." Paul said.
Amen!!! Instead the GC forced liberty of conscience on the flock!! Amd lied to do it!
@@DVGomes no. not true.
MY CONCERN IS WHY THEY ARE TRYING TO PUT PEOPLE TO SLEEP ? PEOPLE NEED TO BE WAKE UP .--- THEY ARE MISS INTERPRETED THE WORD OF DAVID 'S GATE.-- DAVID KNOWS VERY WELL 160 YEARS PERIOD ALREADY PASS. -- HE NEVER SAID THIS PROPHECY IS TO COME.
@@CliffordOwusuGyamfi u need to wake up brother.
Pastor Finley, Pastor Gates understands that. Historically SDA's see the 1260 days or 42 months of revelation "anchored" in the dark ages. However he, Gates, is just sharing what could be a possibility of viewing the days of Daniel 12 as "literal" days (Yom - Hebrew word use). And please take under consideration the sequence of the days; 1st the 1260, 2nd the 1290, last the 1335. That means that the parting date for all these dates start from the beginning of the 1260! In other words, the 1260 days begins the chain reactions of expected events to occur! We SDA's place them on or before 1844. The 1260 days began on 538, the 1335 began on 509, and the 1290 on 554. This set up contradicts Daniel 12. And we did this because if we expected Christ after 1844, Daniel 12 had to b fulfilled before or on by 1844. That's why Gates's state's that Daniel 12 should b seeing as literal "days" n as well as prophetic. The issue is that (and I understand no one wants to b seeing as a Hal Linsey or Harold Camping), we SDA's are standing in the side walk for further instructions (as it relates to prophetic interpretation) cause we don't know what's next! We r in limbo, because no sign of HOW the "siege of the church" (in modern times - Luke 21; Matt. 24)) would take place.
See the real 1,335 day time line.. s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/biblestoryboard/Great+Tribulation+Chart.pdf
I have great respect for Mark Finley. His name is well known in the Seventh Day Adventist Church and some people might say that he is one of the great speakers of our time. His message in the video covers the historical views of both Daniel and Revelation. However, the progressive focus of Daniel 8-12 is on the END TIMES. Mark, I guess my really important question is, what is the impact factor of your message for those who are living at the VERY end of time? Are the Ellen White quotes that you used consistent with ALL of her writings concerning TIME? Failure or insufficiency to look at ALL of her writings is a typical sign of bad research. Ellen White made it clear that the time prophecies in Daniel 12 were a part of the end time messages that extended to the second coming. She also said they were a part of the third Angels message. Mark, your research says that you have an axe to grind with David Gates, nothing more. Any attempt to inject emotion into a Biblical argument is usually a sign that the person making the argument has a motive other than finding out the truth. Mark, I disagree with your motives, there are many different people who have videos on RUclips that are talking about end time events, surely you don't agree with all of them but I've never heard you speak out against them. Emotion should not be your motive in Biblical research. It is also important to note, when there is a disagreement like the one presented by Mark, there is usually a political reason for the dispute. You be the judge. David Gates, wherever you are, probably feeding the poor in some far off land, stay strong! We know that you did not set a date for Christ return and you did NOT say that 2019 was a guarantee of Christ return. God bless you brother David. www.endtimeissues.com
Amen - By their fruits...David Gates and Becky are Godly people and are heeding the warning, "Get ready, get ready, get ready."
Lela Arneson - hello there, perhaps I’m wrong but I really think Mark has something personal against David-:). And You are right “by their fruits you shall know them.” So true. We are in the end times. We were told, there would be a message that would come and divide the church. Soon!
...I viewed the video n never heard Gates state Christ is coming in 2019. I did however, take Gates's suggestion on viewing "other" videos that influenced his reason for "speaking out". People should watch Pastor Arthur Banner's video set, "Prophecy, Science and NWO", then you will understand why Gates was compelled to share what he (Gates), feels as urgent news.
Ahmed Caraballo hi there! yes, you are right David never set a date. And he was also very humble. He said that we should keep watching and there were no guarantees that it would happen.
AMEN AND AMEN
I I'm LAUGHING! !!! Why is that? because I just see God allowing a lot of persons to go check Bro.Gates message and this will allow everyone to STUDY for themselves, we depend too much on others to teach us (that's the Holy Spirits work) God will not ask any of these pastor about any of us HE WILL ASK YOU ,WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE, you have to study for yourself, so no matter want anyone comes up with you know for a fact what is truth and what is error,, see how worked up everyone is about these pastors ,WAIT this is CHILD'S PLAY to what is about to come up.
More evidence the Lord has already given HIS saints the victory
You live in a cocoon of imagination. I was a SDA born and brought up to be SDA. The church and mission policy has deteriorated to such an extend that when we questioned our church leaders from the bible about certain truths they asked us to leave the mission. Slowly but surely our Denomination has slipped back to the dark ages. They persecute anyone who dare to question them about anything. We say Jesus will come soon but the missions are all in disarray and the brotherhood is gone. I'm not surprised that you caution others about Pastor Gates cause he shows the zeal and enthusiasm for the Lord like the SDA of old. He doesn't dilute to please any GC members or bosses. You should have awarded and supported him and helped him to expand the Lord's work that he doing, instead you choose to be the Saint that cautions ppl about Pastor Gates. So have all and again all the nations drunk of the cup of the beast.... May the Lord bless Pastor Gates and his work. Come out of her my ppl Christ calls..for SDA as a Church has fallen.
@Hubris I know what you mean yet the Lord told the disciples to flee the city of Jerusalem when they saw the Romans and they did...and were saved. Might I ask you to follow the current world events more closely. You might really be surprised. You can also try a utube video from Walter Veith
@Hubris the advent movement started because of the numbers that predicted the Lord had entered into the most holy place. Many fell away and left their Faith. E.G White continued with the study. There will be a great shaking and many shall be deceived by their Faith in fixed faiths of tradition and caution. Pastor Gates isn't divine but he does have his faith. Do you really believe the scriptures then it clears states that even your sons and daughters will have visions. If no one is left even the stones shall declare the 3rd Angel's msg. Th at all the world shall hear. Why are you being sceptical? If there is a doubt then take to the Lord in prayer and fasting. He will not let you down if you but ask Him. It's useless to sit hours debating whether to be or not. Do what you do in faith and trust with prayers and fasting. Then no one will be deceived. There is no shortcut to heaven. Broadway is the road that leads to hell. Narrow and hard is the path of saints. If you doubt try to find the truth with God. It will be too late to wait for the Sunday law proclamation. The door to reach our Lord closed. Like the foolish virgins we would be left behind. Even the elect could be deceived. Why wait for the law. The signs are all around you. The knowledge has increased by far leaps and bounds, there is war and rumers of war everywhere. The ppl are being herded into mass groups. There is violence debauchery and mockery of the Lord. The storms are growing more unpredictable and climate change is a reality. The divide between the rich and poor is at its highest. Humanitarian emotions are dying. Ppl are eating living for pleasure without bothering about anyone else. The nation's too are at each other's throats...If you don't see that as the prophecy being fulfilled than what do you think it is? Even the unbelievers believe that the end of this earth is near.
Amen!!!
I hope that you're openning your eyes with whats happening around the world now, people don't seem to like the fact that jesus is at the doors and we have to pray for forgiveness and for the holly spirit !
Pastor Mark can you talk about these unclean deals that are taking place in the church today. Pagan worship entering into the church, embracing Catholicism in the church even up to Sunday worship, disco music so much more pastor don't lost the kingdom for little comfort here. Why are you leaders want put the church at sleep with your comfortable messages.
“At times, when a small group of men entrusted with the general management of the work have, in the name of the General Conference, sought to carry out unwise plans and to restrict God’s work, I have said that I could no longer regard the voice of the General Conference, represented by these few men, as the voice of God. Testimonies for the Church, vol. 9, 260.2
And now for the rest of the entire quote and if you think that taken out of context is still accurate then you don't know how the church is organized to operate. Funny how my reference is the same and yet the quote is so much longer. Always look things up for yourselves. We should still be the people of the Book. "It is not a small group of men. "At times, when a small group of men entrusted with the general management of the work have, in the name of the General Conference, sought to carry out unwise plans and to restrict God’s work, I have said that I could no longer regard the voice of the General Conference, represented by these few men, as the voice of God. But this is not saying that the decisions of a General Conference composed of an assembly of duly appointed, representative men from all parts of the field should not be respected. God has ordained that the representatives of His church from all parts of the earth, when assembled in a General Conference, shall have authority. The error that some are in danger of committing is in giving to the mind and judgment of one man, or of a small group of men, the full measure of authority and influence that God has vested in His church in the judgment and voice of the General Conference assembled to plan for the prosperity and advancement of His work." 9T 260:2
Exactly what was done to David Gates! Shameful!
Amen!!!!!
After listening to Pastor Findley I know we can all go wrong when we put our feelings before our knowledge, I admire and know that Pastor David Gate is a man of God and he wants to devote all his efforts so that we Adventists wake up and leave our comfortable zone to enjoy sharing this sacred message, thank you for your conclusions and advice, I hope that as Uncle David all Adventists ask the guidance of the Holy Spirit to remain united to the end, may God bless you
Gustavo Turcios
Who changed our logo?.
exactly! Why do we have now a"burning Bible"??
Mark Finley & Ted Wilson changed our logo.... Shalom
Did Mark Finley post a video when Dr. Ganoune Diop shake hands with Pope?
There is no such video, the question is why not, the answer is clear.
exactly!!!
The Bible says: in Matt. 7:16 “Ye shall know them by their fruits...” a number or new generation pastors now support what’s going on in the world! Pr. Gates is one who has done a lot in the mission field. How can he be hateful to SDA’s when he wants to wake his fellow SDAs to be ready for the 2nd coming? Think. We don’t hear much about the second coming and end times for fear of scaring the new believers. The truth may be painful or offensive to some, but how is one’s salvation when a sermon is watered down so not to offend? Yes, the conference tend to care about the number of baptisms, but how many newly baptized stay? Yes, it is very critical to point people to what is more important... the salvation of mankind.
ruclips.net/video/5Hc2npmJWQU/видео.html
What the main message is about is to be ready, be ready, be ready!
Pastor Finley, why did the church vote to approve the document if all it did was to support existing policy?
David Gates is a GOOD WATCHMAN. He is doing exactly what he is supposed to do!
THOSE WHO DOES NOT SEE SUNDAY LAW IN THE PIPELINE CANNOT BEAR THE MESSAGE.
THE SHAKING IS COMING!!
Ezekiel 33:2-7 (KJV)
Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
THE SHAKING IS COMING!!
I asked the meaning of the shaking I had seen, and was shown that it would be caused by the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans. This will have its effect upon the heart of the receiver, and will lead him to exalt the standard and pour forth the straight truth. SOME WILL NOT BEAR THIS STRAIGHT TESTIMONY. THEY WILL RISE UP AGAINST IT, AND THIS WILL CAUSE A SHAKING AMONG GOD'S PEOPLE. {CET 176.1}
The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization were this reformation to take place, ~what would result?
👉🏻The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be DISCARDED.
👉🏻Our religion would be CHANGED.
👉🏻The FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES THAT HAVE SUSTAINED THE WORK FOR THE LAST FIFTY YEARS would be ACCOUNTED AS ERROR.
👉🏻A NEW ORGANIZATION would be established.
👉🏻Books of a new order would be written.
👉🏻A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced.
👉🏻The founders of this system would go into the cities,
and do a wonderful work.
👉🏻The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded,
as also the God who created it.
👉🏻Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement.
👉🏻The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice,
but God being removed,
they would place their dependence on human power,
which, without God, is worthless.
👉🏻Their foundation would be built on the sand,
and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure.
~1SM 203,204
Amen
Pr. Mark Finley please do not talks about Pr David Gates, Talks about What the church is doing about 3 angel message. The church is not doing the job, about profecy the church is sleeping what are you doing about the church, please help and pray do not talks about any other person, in the church the roman are inside the church, are doing some thin g about ?
Charly, Pastor Finley's purpose is not to attack David Gates. He wanted to show the grave errors in David Gates' video called Even at the Door. David Gates was time setting which is against what God has revealed. Unfortunately, many have followed him on that trail. So, this video was to show that there is no biblical precedence for that. Obviously, those dates that he set are past and therefore, what David gates was preaching is proven false.
Regarding the church preaching the 3 angels' messages, there have been efforts to preach the 3 angel's message. Have you seen our series on 3 angel's messages which has reached thousands of people with the truth: ruclips.net/p/PLILDvXAtv9JhTnlAFfsG2_JdFbzYuaQhI
Instead of accusing the church, it would good for you to share the message of the coming of Christ in your sphere of influence. If you are involved in it already, then Praise God. We pray that your work will expand and reach more people. If you are not involved, then instead of pointing fingers we pray that you will be involved in sharing the good news of what Jesus is doing and will do for His people.
The scriptures say we wrestle not against flesh and blood, friend. It's a power to sway us to Satan and lose our souls when error is involved but its truth that brings the heart to God and the church will flourish once we give our whole hearts its not people or pastors that we are to look too.
The scriptures say we wrestle not against flesh and blood, friend. It's a power to sway us to Satan and lose our souls when error is involved but its truth that brings the heart to God and the church will flourish once we give our whole hearts its not people or pastors that we are to look too.
@@HL365 - Here is The Savior
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified/Pierced for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Egyptian Semitic:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moshe (Moses) wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Egyptian Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
Everything must be tested from the Bible
I’m not concerned at all because I know God is in control! What matters now is our personal relationship with our Savior and how we can spread God’s love to people around us so them can also be saved :)
Yes, you are right. Thanks for watching. May God bless you.
Amen 🙏
I Don’t like this disunity. You promote The Good Hope in favor of the Great Controversy. That book Good Hope is water down of the last day Events. 2. All Pastor David is saying get ready get ready get ready. And the Bible does say in Joel 2:28. I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. I disagree with you on this video against Pastor David. This is causing more disunity. I’ve notice since Ted Wilson went off on Pastor David that you at General Conference has continued to black wall Pastor David and cause a lot of disunity. Get back to preaching the three angels message and stop the disunity of our church.
Pastor Mark Finley please be quiet why you don't say anything about LGBT in the church Apostasy all over seventh day Adventist Church wake up wake up God have mercy on you.
I wonder if Pastor Finley has watched all three of the sermons in the " Even at the Door" videos?
I have a review of "Even at the Doors" on my channel, showing where it deviates from God's holy words.
well if nothing else all these videos should get us studying and PRAYING and fasting and get ready get ready get ready. i love all of you
I know the SDA church. I don't believe those videos of the SDA church haters. Thank you pastor Mark Finely.
Personally I read that I am supposed to follow the word and not any men. I tried to listen and compare to the Bible. This applies to any leader/ pastor. Bible says “you will know them by their fruits.”
Why print the great hope and not the great controversy for sharing?
he's coming out here thinking that ''we've nailed him, we've silenced him''.
Yes Marco! We need the original, 1858 edition of The Great Controversy spread all over the world!
@@fire-n-smoke2878 You really are a nasty little man, aren't you? Instead of insulting ministers, take a look in the mirror.
Sunday law (intention) is embedded in the Popes environmental encyclical.
It is not. Look, we SDAs should know from inspired writings that the Sunday Law will not come in by stealth, but will come in because the people DEMAND it from their legislators to "get back right with God".
Welcome to the shaking period!
Exactly now it depends on your own relationship with God what kind of decisions we wil make.
Yep. David is shaking himself and others right out of the remnant.
I think we should be careful about passing judgement on someone else. We have to warn them if they do or say something that doesn't comply with the Bible, truth, or the SoP we do have to know the Bible, the truth and the SoP! We also should take into account that this warning should be in a way that Jesus would do it and not in the way we do it nowadays just fling some feces on the internet like some unevolved human. Ofcourse I am speaking of the sda people reacting here! Brother Gates and Brother Finley are still brothers in Christ. One ministry will put emphases on one part and another ministry puts emphases on another part. Speaking of a time for things to happen should not be done. Changing believes is not alwasy bad but sometimes it is. However there is such a thing as being ready for the second coming and it is not very interesting to know when that will be because it is there if your life on this earth ends and that might not be in 10.000 years maybe not even in 1000 years maybe not in 100 years. You could be dead in a minute are you ready than! Satan gives al these distractions to not have us ready and he is very happy we are so busy with al this waist of time! Please go and make yourself and your loved ones ready to be welcomed by the Lord for a blessed eternity!!
We all need to be prepared for JESUS CHRIST second coming by using the Bible and the TEN COMMANDMENTS as our guidelines which GOD WROTE HIMSELF.
BE READY!! Be prepared day by day until your last day or the coming of the LORD. That's how we all gonna be saved.
Ellen G. White books are just the lesser light shining to the brighter light which is the BIBLE.
Even if nothing happens in spring 2019, we should be ready. Your message should have been one of blowing the trumpet my friend, not trying to counteract a message from God. Wake up Pastor Mark , wake up Pastor Mark, wake up Pastor Mark.
@Mr AndersonWow!!! Have mercy Jesus on us.
Indeed he cannot be a man of God, with Christmas trees in his home, and joining with the woman of Babylon last 2010 on Atlanta Ga. Sad indeed.
Amen
@Mr Anderson amen
It's interesting to see you commanding these people to wake up as they are preaching the soon return of Jesus on a daily basis.
@John Nevins Andrews Amen! It never ceases to amaze me how some people enjoy fantasy more than truth.
Just from Kenya. I respect you elder because you are my leader; I I wish you also corrected elder Ted Wilson when he said that Sunday law is any other day of worship than Sabbath when the Bible say Sunday worship in the Sunday law
@jared momanyi Where does the bible say "Bible say Sunday worship in the Sunday law"?
@@magdleneacuna1664 ready the book of Daniel 7:25 and go to the history of especially the empire Constantine the years of 312ad onwards and also read the book of revelation 13:1- and weather Sunday law does not appear.
@@jaredmomanyi5063 spot on. you could have asked them where in the bible do you find millenium, it's the study as you have shown that allows you to understand and not mere word gymnastics, beautiful.
This is not about the two elders it is about our own personal relationship with Jesus. We were known as the people of the book, let us study the scriptures like the Bereans. Elder David is telling us to be ready. Elder Mark Finley is telling us understand last day events. I don’t agree with David but I believe that he has a message for the last days. Be ready! Elder Finley has been quiet about many evils happening in our church, he should speak up even as he speaks up against David.
If you want to see a true pastor a true Christian, you will see a person that doesn't have worldly things in they heart, also will live same way as Jesus lived, the richest man in a humble way. Jesus doesn't match with most of the pastors, living in they luxury and lust of the world.
Christ is the ideal example for Pastors.
From our Sabbath School lesson. Ellen G. White deeply deplored this state of affairs and encouraged all those involved in these discussions to think carefully about their relationship with Jesus and how love for Jesus ought to be demonstrated in our conduct, especially when we disagree. She also said that we should not expect everyone in the church to agree on every point of interpretation on all Bible texts
Robert Bar I am awake. I’m new at reading EGWhite books and studying Bible on daily minute basis. I’m aware Satan is in our churches. I don’t like all the fighting. All the video of Pastor David was about is get ready get ready get ready. And the GC condemns him at every video. Along with other pastors. Saved to Serve ministries says the same as Pastor David. And others. Do not understand GC. Leaders are asleep.
"His coming is near, even at the door". How near is your door?? Definitely imminent!
When I heard Pastor gates I fell the urgency to be ready, even if Jesus doesn’t come in my lifetime, I know that urgency will pass to the younger generation. After listening to this video I felt discouraged, I’m getting more and more disappointed at the GEneral Conference.
God has told us thru Ellen White to NOT get up a time excitement. When it dies down, then it will be much harder to bring people up to a preparation when the real event comes. And speaking of the younger generation - they will learn of the failed time predictions of their "leaders", and probably reject all the truth of the Three Angels' Messages. So it is best to not preach error in the first place, wouldn't you agree?
Interesting how you are falling into the trap of following how you "feel." Therein lies your problem. Trust the Bible, not your feelings, and definitely not the wild inaccuracies of David Gates.
He is not setting a time line, he is making a call to wake up, and warning that the Sunday law is in process, and I do not make decisions just by feeling, I pray and read the Bible as well. I don’t see what’s wrong with God putting peace in my heart when I hear a sermon that encourages me to be ready, and that’s the feeling of urgency that I have in my heart. God bless you all.
@@michaelmateus8338 Nothing wrong with peace that passes understanding. I just found it strange that you were expressing how you felt discouraged by this video. A video in which a man humbly shares truth and points out many errors in David's message. Real errors. Errors that matter. Time setting was only one of the many errors David made, all while speaking from a pulpit. It's important to embrace truth and reject error.
Theyre proven to be church/state apostasy now. Just watch respected SDA pastor Conrad Vine's sermon title "money, money, money"
Thank you very much Pastor Finley. We need more people standing up for the truth and trying to live by biblical standards.
But do you know that the condition of 7th day church in Mumbai is very bad. People want teacher who loves God and doesn't say that don't attend church other wise I will beat you and with false charges.
The person was about to commit suicide because of church other seniors only listening and not responding to Pastor dirty words.
And the victim is a member and God repairer of breach, Evangelist and teacher. He is also used by God to perform miracles but upset for where to take new souls when Pastor......?
What is this Pastor Mark?
Please let Pastor Dough be informed about this.
Jeremiah 23: 1. Then
Should we also quit 7th day Adventist Church.
Please help us.
Thanks
@@vinodraghuvanshi8802 I am praying for you and your church and I will ask others to do the same. God's word in the Bible is truth. Don't look to others for your salvation, keep looking to Jesus.
@@doreenwurts6010 Thanks friend. By the way God has given me a church now where Prophet is Ellen White . And I am handling it for place etc is from God that is free of charge. Because even in this area from AndherI to Virar work of people in 7th day Adventist church not Church was very poor by even profaning holy day.
God is God .Amen. Alleluia
@@vinodraghuvanshi8802 Thank you for telling me about your church. I will continue to pray for you and your church...some day I hope to meet you in Heaven.
Finley hate to Pastor David, is no good.
David Gates and the present truth brothera are not just only waking up the saints, but also waking up the SDA corporate world to revisit the three angels messages. Even if David Gates or anyone is wrong, Just like William Miller was wrong with the even, God still allow Miller to wake up Christians at his time. God is currently allowing shaking through what ever means He seams fit to wake up the saints. Individuals it's time to study your bible for yourself.
Thank you Pastor Mark for your presentation done in a sweet Christian spirit. If brethren do disagree on some items, this is the way to do it. Greetings from the front lines, on the Amazon River in Brazil. Your long-time friend and brother, David
This is good.
God is with you always my dear Tio David, Thank you for always setting a good example in working in the front lines as we all should!
Dear beloved David , do not be discourage . For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Timothy 4:1-4 (KJV)
God be with you in your great work that you are doing in order to help those people in need and preaching the truth!
I'm HERE TO SAY RIGHT NOW! IF NOT FOR UNCLE DAVID I WOUlD STILL BE DEPENDING ON MAN, PAYCHECK AND PENSION he has given the example on to make it from now and through NSL. Thank you Uncle David, Because of your messages I have realized what it is I have do in my life to get ready for Jesus. MOST IMPORTANTLY IS PUTTING IT ALL ON THE ALTER LIKE OU HAVE SAID AND DONE. THE ONES THAT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH "EVEN AT THE DOOR" cannot live now or NSL without GC paycheck. STAY STRONG no matter the negativity that is thrown to you by people that reject the massage that God wants his people to hear and obey. God Bless you and keep you always. I always look forward to hear from you. ps don't forget the gallon of propwash lol
The climate change policy is the national Sunday Law, what will you do when this comes? I will stick with Jesus by far!
"Our position has been one of waiting and watching, with no time-proclamation to intervene between the close of the prophetic periods in 1844 and the time of our Lord's coming."--10MR 270 (1888). {LDE 36.1}
Pray and read your Bible, there are some BITTER folks out here. If you stay ready, you don't have to get ready. God bless us all to be ready when he comes, time charts, dates, or not!
“Many Adventists have felt that unless they could fix their faith upon a definite time for the Lord’s coming, they could not be zealous and diligent in the work of preparation. But as their hopes are again and again excited, only to be destroyed, *their faith receives such a shock that it becomes well-nigh impossible for them to be impressed by the great truths of prophecy* .” {GC 456.2}
"At this I raised my eyes, and saw a straight and narrow path, cast up high above the world. On this path the Advent people were traveling to the city, which was at the farther end of the path. They had a bright light set up behind them at the beginning of the path, which an angel told me was the midnight cry. This light shone all along the path and gave light for their feet so that they might not stumble. If they kept their eyes fixed on Jesus, who was just before them, leading them to the city, they were safe. But soon some grew weary, and said the city was a great way off, and they expected to have entered it before. Then Jesus would encourage
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them by raising His glorious right arm, and from His arm came a light which waved over the Advent band, and they shouted, "Alleluia!" Others rashly denied the light behind them and said that it was not God that had led them out so far. The light behind them went out, leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they stumbled and lost sight of the mark and of Jesus, and fell off the path down into the dark and wicked world below. Soon we [SEE APPENDIX.] heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming. The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake. When God spoke the time, He poured upon us the Holy Ghost, and our faces began to light up and shine with the glory of God, as Moses' did when he came down from Mount Sinai." {EW 14.1}
Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
Pastor we are not against to what we believe as a church so long it is biblical. Me, I request you to do an explanation about our pro abortion stand. We belief the 10 commandment but 1 of the command we obviously disregard or oppost becoz of our pro abortion stand? The apocrypha issue also?
Please email us and we can share with you about official stand of the SDA church on abortion and the issue of apocrypha. Our email, info@hopelives365.com
Or how they lied to us and forced liberty of conscience under threat of buy or sell at the bidding of Rome
You promoted The Great Hope. Ted Wilson and a GC team took the millions donated for the distribution of The Great Controversy in 2012 and altered tit so much, deleting over 500 pp., made it acceptable to the pope, then said it was the same as the first book and then handed it out. I listened to David Gates and I know him well enough to know that he would never do to the Great Controversy that has been done. I know you said you were not involved, but you promoted it. David Gates is a godly man and the Lord does help him with all he does. You and Ted Wilson are not I’m the clear about the Great Hope. I am done listening to either of you.
Finally.....a voice of reason. I fully agree with you. The church has been infiltrated long ago and are in apostasy.
www.adventistmission.org/ellen-whites-the-great-hope-unscathed-in-nigerian-fire
Wow this is from our brother who pushed the great hope which took out everything out of the Great Controversy that spoke ill of the Catholic Church. About 42 chapters, so now our catholic friends can read it and not be offended. I was catholic, if I would of read the great hope I would still be catholic.
Still, David Gates is times setting and therefore a false prophets advancing infidelity according to the spirit of prophecy.
Oh dear people, have we become so numb to "comments" and "criticism", are we so pulled down by our own opinions that we do not see how we are all being manipulated by the enemy? Focus....refocus on Jesus! Stop... please....stop this unnecessary madness....stop opening the door to sin. Don't give up your Salvation....the one thing that Jesus came to this earth to offer each of us because of our foolish self centered need to have an opinion. Oh my heart is sad for all of us.
"Time after time will be set by different ones, and will pass by; and the influence of
this time setting will tend to destroy the faith of God's people." IT, p. 72
There are two verbal corrections. One where Mark says 12,600 where he meant 1,260 (at 4:38) and another where he says historical and meant Historicist (7:10).
Pin your comment.
I think that you ought to make many more corrections. Your tone with Gates is disrespectful. Your facts are consistently off, throughout the message. At this point I believe that your motives are suspect.
Yea, maybe make a correction for violating the flocks freedom of conscience. He was correct. Even the prediction Mark is critisizing. Covid started in that year. And David never set an exact date and never claimed to be absolutely correct on anything, yet he was on the covid. The first global seige.
Gates stood up for my freedom of conscience. The GC attacked mine under threat of buying and selling! The second global seige will come very soon.
Laodicea is about to get spewed all over this place..
It is very funny that Mark is commenting and have concerns about what David said about the pope but didn't have concerns about LGBT getting married, baptized and leadership role in our church. Hypocrite.....
Don't talk like that. 😢. You are a sinner . Ask God for forgiveness. Looks like you are not watching his videos lately.
At least now i know yall have been actually been keeping in touch with him and actually saw how the president went after him but yall kust ignored it. Now everybody is going after him for simply saying the time is nearer than we thought? I understand. What about the church with the transgender elder? What about the great hoax? I have no problem with your sharing but please address all supposed curruption.
I agree with you that all of those issues should be addressed, but it does not negate the fact that this is also necessary and I praise God that it is being refuted. I love and appreciate the work of Uncle David and believe we should keep him in our prayers and hopefully, he will come to see the error in this teaching. Sadly, you are correct, the leadership has not done their appointed work by taking issue with the Great Hope (Hoax), homosexuality, transgenderism, the emergent movement, etc. However, this is one issue that they also needed to address and thankfully they have done so. And yes, they should be balanced and fair and address all corruption.
symphy neveah I couldn’t agree with you more!!! At least they are watching ! They have seen the warning and I think they are worried that the house Levi will be judged as stated in pastor Gates video.
I am actually glad to know that these men are actually following pastor Gates. This is another “there is no Sunday law pipeline”
Add to the list of issues to deal with, "murder of children" expressed in the official guidelines on abortion. The clear instruction of scripture is "Thou shalt not murder." and the claim is that the Holy Spirit lead the leadership to this decision? The answer is, "No, the God of the Bible does not lead any leadership to take the lives of the innocent!"
@@magdleneacuna1664 ok. Lets not deal with all issues start with open homosexuality in leadership, abortion....they wont because its easier to brush under the rug.
Magdlene Acuna sorry, it was accidental message 😊
Next time can u insert the clip of what he was saying not paraphrasing. I've watched the even at the doors and didn't see anything amiss. What am I missing
Hi Rena, the main issue with the video from David gates is that he was predicting about events that would take place for which there is no biblical or Ellen White support.
Nothing. You are seeing. Everyone with a heart for Christ is seeing... the apostasy of the church/state GC
I am not here to take sides or judge.. I've followed these two leaders, and all I'll say is this, "by thy fruits, you shall know them," From my experience, growing up in the Caribbean, during the mango season we only stoned the the ripe-laden trees, not the green or non-fruit ones.
We're grown, we will not be deceive
Has Pstr David given an exact date? He is just blowing the trumpet like what Isa 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins. So many are caught up with the things of this world and if no one from the irregular lines sound the alarm, who will do it from the regular lines? Who said the Sunday Law is not in the pipeline? Is this truth or lie. Who will stand up for God’s people that they will not be deceived?
Jer 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
Listen to the sighing and crying of the true shepherd. Go back and read the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy, the compass of our faith and and don’t just listen to what they say in the pulpits because they have stepped off the platform of our faith. Join us in studying the Godhead as mentioned in John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. God bless
Solution: We just need to stop being credulous Christians and start studying the Word for ourselves.
With the Holy Spirit's guidance, everyone is capable of figuring out what the LORD requires of each one of us.
They did the same to the 1888 message
No they did not Pls refresh history on the archives..
They rejected the 1888 message. What am i saying wrong. We are called to get ready. What is wrong with that. God will dictate jis work how he sees fit.
maybe pastor david gates is wrong for the date... but his video help us to wake up.... i believe national sunday law will begin soon, and GC will announce when its to late for SDA member...
@@rizalp877 David Gate is wrong for preaching time-excitement period. Why do people stand up for a man who is fighting God? Instead, let's preach the Three Angels' Messages.
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not on thine understanding in all the way acknowledge him and he will direct they path .proverbs 3vs 5-6. This is not about which side you are taking execpt it is God side. God is our creator , the holy scriptures are inspired by him for doctrine . Therefore,study your Bible and ask for the Holy Spirit to bring you to all truth and,pray without ceasing. This is how we will be prepare.
Yes.Study the holy Bible!proverbs 3:5 and6
The Word of God clearly states that we shall not murder. Why then do you wax eloquent on various other subjects but cannot raise one word to speak out about our church murdering the unborn? Have you also deluded yourself to believe that it is okay to take the life of an unborn child? This issue is directly salvational Mark, there will not be any murderers in heaven...and that includes those that support murder by default (when you have a choice to make a stand). Your silence is your answer and seals your destiny....unless you repent
I heard that, I believe more, more, more that Pastor David Gates is correct. Get up people of God! The time is finishing for us. I am in Brazil, Rio Dr Janeiro. I will tell this for my friends and family.
He was correct. Even the prediction Mark is critisizing. Covid started in that year. And David never set an exact date and never claimed to be absolutely correct on anything, yet he was on the covid. The first global seige.
Gates stood up for my freedom of conscience. The GC attacked mine under threat of buying and selling! The second global seige will come very soon.
Woe unto all you apostate leaders. Not all of us are asleep.
Drop some info
I am grateful for the spirit of studying for both Pr Gates and Pr Finley. I strongly encourage us church members to PRAY more, then primarily STUDY the bible ON OUR OWN. Then keep on spreading the message in season and out of season: THAT'S OUR CALLING! We are not called to show publicly favoritism here. Be careful with your OWN EMOTION when you encounter a moment like this. At the end it's all about you and Jesus.
Move on brother let me hear you sound the loud cry. Let me hear you on women ordination , LGBT, and centering prayers.
AMEN SR, Expecting the same here!
sister Donna, you shall not hear them on those issues. They are afraid of the liberal and libertine voice inside the church ... and even outside the church. It's more than a shame.
Please speak up Mark on how you justify the murder of innocent children in our facilities
JESUS waiting for all the pastors living like him when he was here,not enriching with the faith of the people if not healing, giving hope, feeding and loving the people.
We should know that the judgement has already begone with the living because as we see the Sunday law approaching, and as Adventist we should know that judgment begins with the house of the God first, and we must be sealed before the passing of the Sunday law gets here.
God has told us thru Ellen White that the Judgment of the Living starts when the 10 Commandments are brought out of hiding.
This is an honest disagreement with Bro. Gates using Biblical and SOP supporting texts. I certainly agree that time-setting is huge problem with Bro. Gates' message. We always need to be ready. If fear is your motivation, you are following the wrong spirit. "God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind." 2 Tim. 1:7
Beautiful verse ! “Those who think they must preach definite time in order to *make an impression* upon the people do not work from the right standpoint . The *feelings* of the people may be stirred and their *fears* aroused, but they *do not move from principle* . An *excitement* is created; but when the time passes, as it has done repeatedly, those who moved out upon time fall back into *coldness, darkness, and sin , and it is almost impossible to arouse their consciences without some great excitement* .” Testimonies, volume 4, 308.
Hi Mark Finaly. I’m really excited and looking forward to your rebuke video against the decisions of Ted Wilson. When’s the release date?
Whether we agree with Gates or Mark Finley, all has to be done with respect as it is meet for Christians. Other than this we need to question the spirit actuating us
Agreed. I think Finley, Batchelor and Ritsema should act more Godly.
So Gates having dreams after fasting for four days is not scriptural?
KJV Acts 2
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
No its not.
@@igoralexandre8766 too much division in our movement , pleasure for satan , sadness for the Father and Son.
I'm glad my salvation is Singular
@@swiftwitnessministries1901 its part of a starting shaking.
Thank you pastor Mark Finley for your clear message .Glory to God
Revisited Gates' video. Dude's spot on.
Thanks for watching. May God bless you.
Yes he was. Covid!!! Gates stood up for my freedom of conscience. The GC attacked mine under threat of buying and selling! The second global seige will come very soon.
Pastor Finley, I want to encourage you to actually watch the sermons by pastor Arthur Branner that pastor Gates recommended. The study he does on this topic is very thorough where as pastor Gates just touched on some things and did not give all the Spirit of Prophecy and Bible like Branner did. I would encourage you to watch them twice and take notes on the statements with provided S.O.P and Bible. What he provides backs it up completely so there is definitely something to this that we need to take a better look at. There are 3 sermons that I know of and pastor Gates provides the link. Please do your part by watching the original message with it's thorough delineation before writing off the message altogether. You really can't go by what pastor Gates goes over in his video, that wasn't the whole message with all the supporting evidence. It was really well done by pastor Branner. God bless you and I pray we are all ready for our precious Saviour's soon return.
While Pr. Branner's points that there is a future 3 1/2 year period shown clearly in Revelation and Daniel, his points about probation closing for God's people in a year is fanatical time-setting that we have been warned against.
I personally was let down by Elder Finley's stand in response to the watered down new great controversy a.k.a "great hoax". He failed to stand and condemn it."If God abhors one sin above another, of which His people are guilty, it is doing nothing in case of an emergency. Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God."3T 280.3
Amen.
So many comments of this and that. We all have Bibles or access to. Why not use our own brain and research skills to study and understand? Of course our leaders hold such responsibility, and will answer to God. However, many many on this comment thread waste time airing their opinions and negative garbage, saying, he wrong, they wrong he right so on...answer for yourself, man!
We cant understand by ourselfs we need to pray for holy spirit to reviel the the real meaning
@@danielsveips5738 Amen🙏
Thank you Pastor Finley for exposing falsehoods threatening the unity of the church.
Thanks for watching. May God bless you.
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
See what the Devil is doing, We are turning on each other instead of focusing on the work the Lord has called us to do. We should work together (THAT DOESN'T MEAN COMPROMISE). God has used and will use his people to shake up the churches if we are sleeping. Things are happening in the church which the devil is causing. I beseach us brothers and sister, Look not at the Leaders but instead to Jesus, that his Character be manifested in us. In the Ark of Noah there was only one window and it was placed in a on top and not the side. Continue to look up and not around. God Bless
Even though Pastor David Gates may have committed a mistake stating a date during a preaching, he then recanted, I think that Pastor Gates has the best intentions for God's people, and he is preaching the present truth, let us not criticize each other, let us pray for each other.
David is the most selfless SDA pastor I know.
Yup. He stood up for my liberty of conscience while the GC violated and not one other big pastor spoke up, including Doug Batch... But I still dont think Doug is corrupt. Nobody is perfect. I pray Doug makes the correct choice next time. He helped bring me in, I pray that I can see Doug in the kingdom too Lord. Please reach Dougs heart with all this.
Whether or not David Gates is correct I feel a strong stirring to be prepared for it.
Same here. David Gates may be off in his interpretations, but Mark Finley and Doug Batchelor speaking out against him troubles me.
Thankfully we are not left to guess whether he is correct or not, we have the spirit of prophecy. We need not be ignorant regarding David Gates being correct or not. It's very simple; As long as he is advocating time setting his message will be one of error, fanaticism, and heresy according to the Spirit of Prophecy - advancing infidelity rather than christianity.
I do feel for him though. We must pray for him.
Guys, I know in my spirit that what uncle David said is true. And it also concerns me that so many pastors are going out of their way to try and convince the people of the opposite, and there are people that listen to them.... that is VERY dangerous to listen to these lullabies...we cannot afford to fall asleep now! The time is now!
@@Bianca4Jesus it is true that we need to wake up. But you cant use error to do that
FOR THOSE TO THINK THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIS APOSTATE CHURCH IS GOD'S REMNANT, HERE GOES A QUOTE FROM ELLEN G WHITE :
God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the NATIONAL ESTABLISHMENT, neither is it the various denominations; it is THE PEOPLE WHO LOVE GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. “Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them” (Matthew 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church. UL 315.5
HOW CAN A CHURCH THAT IS SO CORRUPTED AS THE SDA CHURCH CAN THINK THEY ARE GOD'S PEOPLE? PRACTICING ABORTIONS? HAVING TRANSGENDER ELDER? LESBIAN PASTORS? THE MORE LIGHT WE HAVE THE MORE RESPONSIBLE WE ARE BEFORE OUR LORD! WHERE WAS DOUGH BATCHELOR AND MARK FINLEY TO REBUKE THOSE SINS? I USE TO ADMIRE AND LOVE THOSE PASTOR BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE JUST AS THE REST OF THE PRINCE AND HIGH PRIEST IN THE TIME OF JESUS. ONLY CARES ABOUT DONATIONS, TITHE AND OFFERING. AND IS SAD HOW MANY PEOPLE BELIEF THAT BY PAYING THEIR TITHE AND OFFERING THEY ARE SAFE. IF IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE TITHE AND OFFERING THE MESSAGE WOULD BE PREACH ALL AROUND THE WORLD WE WOULDNT BE HERE!
THIS IS WERE YOUR TITHE AND OFFERING GOES : " On February 23, 2018, the Norwegian Union sent a letter to the General Conference via the Trans-European Division asking that the GC stop investing in weapons manufacturers, stating that such investments are inconsistent with the values and teachings of the Adventist Church and Jesus Christ."
link:
spectrummagazine.org/article/2018/04/06/general-conference-votes-exclude-weapons-manufacturers-its-investment-portfolio
why do the SDA has to invest God's money in the stock market? OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!!
To all who has taken part in commenting, I would want u to take some time in reading what I am willing to talk about all these shakings that have been going through from past few days.
Though the things going within the church might not be convincing whether it is right or not ... Let us not focus into such things about who is right or wrong ...neither let us condemn anyone but rather pray for all our church leaders.
We are ought to know that good things and bad things will happen within the church but just because of that, let us not fall prey to what we see happening within the church lest we turn our focus from Christ and the spirit of prophecy and turn a prey to the devil.
We r ought to know that these things will happen within the church but we are to turn our eyes from all these conflicts and move forward with Christ and the spirit of prophecy that is readily available to all ..let us not loose our focus on the things which concerns our eternal salvation the most.
Let us not forget that by involving in such arguments regarding the things happening within the church we are forgetting what the devil is looking forward to turn away our eyes from Jesus and the spirit of prophecy by being involved in the conflicts arising within the church.
Yes I agree it is good to know the things happening within the church personally. Yes but let us not focus on these things but rather be wise in moving forward with Jesus knowing that these things will happen within the church. Let us not allow our mind to dwell upon such things that happen around us ...but let us fix our eyes on Jesus and spirit of prophecy which the Lord has given us and move forward to the day that the Lord has appointed himself to come.
Well said.
Brothers, sisters run, run away quickly from this nonsense. You gotta be kidding me. The SL and the MOB is coming no matter what this man or Ted Wilson are saying.
I fully agree with you on that.
How can you say this? He supports his response with full Scriptural disclosure!
This is the time when the 10 virgins are called by the bride to meet him. Be the 5 wise virgin and not the foolish virgin. We can be the last generation.
@@cocoazen Sister, we have our Bible, we have the SOP, even available on our cell phone. Even a slow nine year old can understand. We don't need smooth talking Elders setting us straight. More has gone on behind the scene in secret than I have space or time to tell. Our system has already reached across the divide to grasp hands with the enemy of GOD. We aren't told but we are a voting member of the WCC. Remember this, text strategically placed without context, you have pretext. You must listen carefully and then listen again to these people. Do yourself a favor, do some research and your mine will be blown. There remains a Remnant that still displays the 3 Angels shouting loudly, not a burning flame. Who is that? Babylon?. We were brought out of "DARKNESS" with a message. Blessings to you.
@@Thelastgeneration1 I couldn't agree more. Well said and we are the LAST GENERATION!
Mark Finley should only preach, what “it is written”in Bible scripture!🙏🏽
Thank you for your feedback!
Careful brethren!
The devil does not care who has the TRUTH as long as he gets someone to argue.
Who's right and who's wrong here??
Time will tell (Mt 13:30)
Just be thankful that God is still on the throne!!!
Don't worry Saints we only have 5 months to see if these predictions will come to pass. If they don't I hope Pr Gates and Pr Brenner will with the same Zeal work to correct this error. How ever I pray we all do not sin against God by Unchristian behavior towards those who are in error and become more guilty than they are. May God have mercy on His people. As for me and my house we will not set dates.
Pastor Gates did not say with certainty something will happen. He says expressly: let's say it doesn't happen. I do not see the big issue.
Within that 5 month GC will. Be here in Jamaica
Well said BFETile. However, I think we can denounce their falsehood using Christian behavior, as Mark Finley does here.
@@1844-Telltheworld exactly. He's buffering his claim. If nothing happens he can say, "Well, I only said maybe!" but if something does happen, which is extremely likely as things are happening all the time in these last days, then he can say "told you so." and lead still more sheep astray.
@@jacobvero9403 What did Mark Finley do? First, if someone does not see the climate change agenda is not the Sunday Law, it is plain blindness. Second, Mark Finley talked about when speaking about the word, it is not to be based on feelings. That is true in certain sense if what the person is saying cannot be sustained by the word of God. The SDA church began with insight ka sense of feeling). On October 23, 1844, when Edson Hiram was walking through the cornfield to visit the other brethren, it was insight tha came ove him that Daniel 8:14 was speaking of the heavenly sanctuary. By praying and studying the Bible, the pioneers arrived to the conclusion that the insight was accurate. By reading the Bible, the Spirit of Propbecy and analyzing the measures that are being taken to combat climate change, one can see to the naked eye, this will bring the Sunday Law. People can see that there is a day to stop doing works that revolves around climate change. It is Sunday. Third, Pst. Finley talked about he believed God was still working through the church. That is true, He still does. But what is or who is the church? The Sanhedrin is not the church. The church is the body of Christ who is walking according to His will. Jesus left the Sanhedrin and called His disciples to spread the Gospel. The Sanhedrin was too blind to see the sign of time. I am not calling the top leaders, the Sanhedrin,. I do believe some of them are sincere, faithful believers just like in ancient Israel, we could find Nicodemus, Nathaniel etc. But, they need to be careful they do not turn into the Sanhedrin of ancient Israel. Fourth, hevtalked about an issue with time. The prophecies were given so we could pay attention to events and realize the time in which we are living. In Matt. 24:32,33 Jesus said; "Now learn a parable of the fig tree: when his branch is yet tender and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh. So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." Prophecies were given so we know the time. The events are prophecies' time telling us to get ready. That notion of time that Pst. Finley was talking about and using the Spirit of Prophesy as back up is taking out of context. Fifth, Pst. Finley in response, also talked about time is not in essence, the church needs to get ready, go forward with the third angels' message. The church has been sitting for so many years, living like the world, if the people don't realize what time it is, how they gonna give the thrird angels' message. It is those who live a transformed life that can proclain the message. Ephesians 5:27 Jesus is coming to get church not having spot, or wrinkle or any such thing. (Manuscript 122, 1901)-Those only who through faith in Christ obey all of God's commandments will reach the condition of sinlessness in which Adam lived before his transgression. They testify to the love of Christ by obeying all His precepts. Brethren, do you see the four walls with the members really ready to be bride of Christ? Sixth and last, pst Finley discussed the judgemennt of the living. I disagree the judgement of the (all) living will be during the time of the mark of the beast. The church will be judged first. Since we are the people to bring the message of Revalation 18, the judgment of the church has to be done before the latter rain. Spirit of Prophecy explained the rain is fallin in two stages. First there will be a sprinkle. That is to wake up the church and prepared her for the full strenght of the latter rain which is the loud cry. The selection of the 144,000 for the loud cry has to be done. Therefore, he can't say the judgement of all living will be during the mark of the beast. Ancient Israel probation was closed, yet they continued to offer their sacrifices and not knowing they were rejected because they were blind. What happened is written to serve as example.
I can't argue on the point of pst. Gates that the church has rejected the Spirit of Prophecy. I have not seen a video or document of the 2015 gathering. However, I saw and heard of several SDA local leaders rejecting the writings of Ellem White. I do not totally agree with wth the 3.5 years that pst. Gates discussed. However, I am delighted that he did not bring it forth as definitive. He did say, let say it doesn't occur.
Get ready brethren, Jesus is coming soon. The events say it all.
I’m not even a Seventh day Adventist but I know when a leader of a Organization like the General conference of seventh Adventist. Says there is no Sunday law in the pipeline? When all I’ve seen for years of studying the writings of Ellen White and following scriptures. It tells us it’s coming! So there’s no way the leader of the church can even say that?! But he did and this guy doesn’t even talk about Ted Wilson’s comment about Sunday law?! Jesus is coming soon and almost all the prophecies have been fulfilled! Amen!
We can"t Judge for ourselves the Spirit of God convinces us of truth This is not a debate
There is no Sunday Law "in the pipeline". God has already told us in his holy words given to Ellen White that after his judgments on the land (America especially) people will clamor for a Sunday Law. There is no way, according to God, that the NSL will come in by stealth as Br. Gates and Branner state. We need to study and be ready, and give the 3 Angels' Messages with great power!
Pastor Finley never said there is not Sunday Law in the pipeline, the issue here was not about that. He simply addressed pastor Gate's analysis connected to the Paris accord, which with all due respect to elder Gates I believe he is incorrect. All conscientious Adventists firmly believe the Sunday law is on the horizon.
@@shazbk7616 My comment was addressed to Michael Diaz, who obviously believes the statements by some that there is a Sunday Law in the pipeline. I'm trying to show that the NSL will NOT be by stealth in some Climate Change legislation. It will come about when people CLAMOR for it.
@@earlysda Well said!!!
Thank you elder Mark for the detailed explanation of excellent response video. I believe pastor David Gate is sincere in his massage and wants many of our members to be saved but we do need leader like Elder Mark Finley to straighten things up whenever it is needed. If anyone says what he wants to say and there is no one who will correct it, our church will be in a great disaster. May our Lord bless both ministers. Pastor Stephen Moethapo, Karen Ministry, NAD
For when they shall say, peace and safety then sudden destruction cometh upon them
Uncle David Gates IS a Man of God,a Beautiful Soul who cares greatly for Gods people..Mockers & accusers are Fools!
AMEN
According to scripture calling your brother a fool is in danger of the judgement. Look it up
@@armygurldesigns8151 That is true,Sorry..maybe Nasty or unchristlike are better words..Hopefully those who are Brothers in Christ,whether that be Pastor Finley or others who have a problem with another Brothers opinion,go to him in private first..Matthew 18:15-17..before broadcasting their disagreements across social media..I believe in these times our Leaders should be united in Love & Truth,not be openly disagreeing.
@@TrenchardHands True, but as Pastor Finley said, normally that's the process he would take. However, and I agree with him. The organization and prophetic writings were publicly challenged and misrepresented by Bro Gates, therefore it had to be dealt with publicly and if we stopped and listened Pastor Finley never attacked Bro Gates. He addressed the issues. Not the person. It is my belief that our brethren wants to work together in support of the work. The devil is busy trying to tear the church apart. We must stand united!
It is impossible to estimate too largely the work that the Lord will accomplish through His proposed vessels in carrying out His mind and purpose. The things you have described as taking place in Indiana,
the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation.
Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy Spirit.
{Selected Messages Book 2 .36.2
Seeing Drums in Churches more and more now
Yes, it is sad to see our SDA leaders seemingly just letting compromise after compromise come into the church. That's why many laymembers see someone like Br. Gates who speaks well against compromise, believe in the man instead of his message, and then swallow his error later.
Something is happening and the people of God must study the bible on their own i love this man but in some point i believe he is not sincere i watched David gates video though i don't believe in time setting he has a point he might be wrong but he has some points that we need to look into deeply. I also don't understand why everybody is in a rush to say David gates is wrong whereas i have not heard them talk about some preachers who teach error and are sda's also. may God help us
He doesn't have to be sincere. Look at the bible texts and other quotes he stated and see if they are true.