How Trading Can Make Players Rich

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  • Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
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    What do Runescape, Team Fortress 2, Eve Online and CS:GO all have in common?
    If you said Trading then you hit the nail on the head.
    Trading is, for better or worse, a core part of these games. And in-game economies can be scarily similar to economies in the real world. From inflation, to gambling, To full time workers and gold farmers, to taxes, to warfare, with their own legal tender to spend on these things...
    Trading in videogames is worth real world money, and when real money is on the line, people will do anything...
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Комментарии • 79

  • @casiooooooo
    @casiooooooo Год назад +153

    Tf2’s economy is so special someone made a fucking Ted talk on it

  • @xeanderman6688
    @xeanderman6688 Год назад +113

    1 key for 5 ref back in the day? Oh you sweet summer child, I remember when it was 3 ref

    • @ghostcat11
      @ghostcat11 Год назад +2

      damn i only remember when they were 37.33ref

    • @CountlessPWNZ
      @CountlessPWNZ Год назад +2

      @BradynLee09 ohhhh man, you missed the golden years. But, thanks for playing right now.

    • @Steve-zg4qm
      @Steve-zg4qm Год назад +2

      @Hat Lock Productions 2.33 was the stable price for keys back in the day, it rarely deviated

  • @Balandai98
    @Balandai98 Год назад +61

    I remember when 1 key was 3.33 ref and we used Earbuds (~20 keys) and Bill's hats (~6 keys) as currencies and we all traded on tf2outpost.
    I was 14 but felt like a grown man handling my money and all. Good times man, good times.

  • @alexdenny1556
    @alexdenny1556 Год назад +18

    well that got depressing as hell

  • @robertz.5199
    @robertz.5199 Год назад +30

    As a Venezuelan myself i can tell you this hits close to home

    • @damsen978
      @damsen978 Год назад +4

      It's real sad to know your situation. It's just holding yourself until things get better. When will that day come? We don't know, but i wish you the best of luck.

    • @robertz.5199
      @robertz.5199 Год назад +7

      @@damsen978 i'm actually lucky in that regard, i don't have to struggle thanks to my family being relatively middle class (i don't think you can use that word here, as a middle class still has to manage the food they consume and struggle with their salary) but i have seen enough people having a bad time (including me during the heat of the crisis). Also it's hard to actually measure how bad is the current situation, as the minimum wage has increased to 20 dolars and there's people saying that "Venezuela has been fixed" while you can see that the income is around a third of other countries and the prices are 1.5 times higher (even higher for some products)

    • @jazg783
      @jazg783 Год назад +3

      Oh hey i'm from Venezuela too and God
      It's frightening how things only become more expensive as the days pass by
      I don't know if i Will get out of here when i get My title but i hope i Will get a better place to live
      Te deseo mucha suerte en dónde vivas mi pana
      Espero que puedas salir de esta situación

    • @robertz.5199
      @robertz.5199 Год назад +1

      @@jazg783 Wow! Otro Venezolano viendo Htwo, Let's gooo!!
      Igual a ti man, suerte con lo de tu titulo y sigue fuerte!

    • @alejandropetit6573
      @alejandropetit6573 Год назад

      Same, I just came back after over 3 years for the new year and things have really changed with the country getting dolarized, I'm stuck here now because of legal crap but I'll be back to the country I live in soon.
      I remember hearing the story of the kid that played runescape almost all day every day to try and feed his family and my mom thought it would be a good idea for me to do the same because I liked video games, she probably didn't know that the money you get from this isn't worth it for how time consuming it is and just heard getting money by playing video games and thought it was a lot better, so I don't blame her.
      Also for anyone from the outside wondering, when I arrived the dollar was at 17 bolivares, now it's at more than 23 last time I checked

  • @kri1040
    @kri1040 Год назад +12

    yet another banger vid about something i didn't have any interest/knowledge in about 20 minutes ago. hell yeah dude! :D

  • @atab6555
    @atab6555 Год назад +19

    Dont you love that tax evasion(in minecraft)

  • @alejandropetit6573
    @alejandropetit6573 Год назад +9

    I know it's not the main topic of this video, but thanks for talking about venezuela and shedding light on the horrible economic issues going on right now, I'm one of the lucky ones that never suffered too much with starvation, went to a private school my whole life, and eventually managed to leave my country altogether, but it still pains me that venezuela is in such a horrible position,
    I knew a whole family that lived in a small fishing town called barrio de los pescadores in anzoategui, and I don't remember much about it, but I do remember seeing that they lived in makeshift houses made from rusty metal plates and old, rotten wood, they were like 7 or 8 in the whole family, and they could barely eat once a day.
    I also remember this time when I went to a pizzeria with my mom and sister and we didn't eat the whole thing so I had the rest in a paper bag, and while my mom was paying 3 kids ran up to me and my sister and begged us to share some of the leftovers, we of course did,I remember that the kids were a boy and a girl of about 11 years old, and a little 6 year old boy. My memory's very fuzzy though, so this might be wrong. I was about 12 and my sister was 14 at the time, so we were nearly the same age. Looking back on it now, I still think about them, and considering that their parents were nowhere, I don't think that they are alive today sadly..
    This is real, and it's just getting worse as time goes on.. God fucking damn it
    Also, at 16:51 you mention that venezuela's economy was doing great until the oil prices crashed at around 2017, this is not the case, it got a lot worse from that moment on but this has been an issue since before I was even born, since 1999

  • @jennyspresso2999
    @jennyspresso2999 Год назад +27

    Incredible, well researched and edited video, spans some really diverse games and topics and ideas. Always quality content from you H2 :)

  • @realwalletinspector
    @realwalletinspector Год назад +7

    When you have your viral breakthrough. You will become one of the biggest lore/game explanation youtubers. I can feel it. Your research and editing is great.

  • @arieroskam4000
    @arieroskam4000 Год назад +2

    Excellent video man. This is such an rich and complex topic and you did really well to explain it in a digestible way for people who may be unfamiliar with the concept. I've traded on and off in TF2 for the better part of a decade, and it has provided me with an an endlessly valuable case study that parallels the real world, and has taught me so many important lessons along the way. Keep up the good content :)

  • @piboiindahouse5169
    @piboiindahouse5169 Год назад +3

    I didn't need a Venezuela history lesson today. Now I am sad and can't tell if I can sleep right now.

  • @FantasmaNaranja
    @FantasmaNaranja Год назад +2

    worth pointing out that TF2 was so ahead of the curve that almost nobody in the trading community calls their lootboxes, well "lootboxes" they call them crates even though there hasnt been an actual "crate" dropped in years it's all been cases because lootboxes werent even a concept back then
    also worth noting that refs sometimes go up in value seemingly at random due to bots with massive amounts of refs getting banned thus reducing supply or sometimes for reasons nobody is quite certain of, the key is currently at 46 refs, which means it dropped by around 45%ish percent from it's highest value

  • @spaghettproductions4989
    @spaghettproductions4989 Год назад

    Fantastic use of the resi 7 sound track near the end there

  • @TheXBoy5
    @TheXBoy5 Год назад +1

    Amazing video. It just hit 5k views, but it's so well made that it will certainly surprass those numbers.

  • @UmbraCresuna
    @UmbraCresuna 8 месяцев назад

    Sinks should especially be highlighted, like this enough scrap metal to make a unusualfier, strangifiers for things that are basically out of the question for normal people to get, like Strange Kritzkriegs. Scrap could be used to bring back out of season items.

  • @questarcher7921
    @questarcher7921 Год назад +1

    *Uses ULTRAKILL music while talking about TF2*
    A man of culture I see.

  • @kiwaminski
    @kiwaminski Год назад

    Even though Im well versed on the whole topic of the video, I was thoroughly enjoying every minute of it and can only commend the production value. That EVE Online segment was especially interesting. Really dig the stuff you make

  • @damsen978
    @damsen978 Год назад +1

    Diablo 2 also has a small economy but the currencies are rings, Stone of jordans. Picked as one due to rarity for sure. Wish it was gold because that'd be more fitting, just like OSRS does.

  • @undertalemodtool
    @undertalemodtool Год назад +1

    when the fire is gone

  • @disclaimer7603
    @disclaimer7603 8 месяцев назад

    Wow. I thought I was just gonna get a primer on virtual economies, but I got an explanation on how the mere existence of training in video games creates jobs all over the world. I'm stunned

  • @KentoBentoBox
    @KentoBentoBox 10 месяцев назад

    I've played all 3 games and interacted with each of the 3 games and by far my favorite has to be EVE's economy (mainly because i've played EVE long enough to know which items are good and which items are bad)

  • @antekstal
    @antekstal Год назад

    Really underrated video, I have like 30$ worth of skins on my rocket league account and I havent bought any credits, my friends are just amazed at how lucky I am with these lootboxes.

  • @oblivion163
    @oblivion163 Год назад

    Rocket league is a game with a huge trading economy and it is literally car soccer. Also everything is cosmetic. There are cases of the game giving good reasons to get rid of your credits tho like when they put a 100$ item in the item shop for 10$

  • @fayking
    @fayking Год назад

    i feel like watching to a youtube channel with a 1 million subscribers, love the video!

  • @rpe
    @rpe Год назад +1

    15:33 but you can automate gold farming
    its very easy to set up an neural network in python, kinda "record" yourself doing the task, the neural network learns from it and can do it automatically. You can then set up hundreds of accounts and make a lot of money AFK.
    atleast thats how i did it in another game, but i would imagine that it is possible here aswell

    • @thr333stars
      @thr333stars Год назад

      How much money with that method would be? Lets say: 1 hour, 100 accounts

  • @floodedmoat2620
    @floodedmoat2620 Год назад

    You always have something interesting to say h2

  • @dukeofwelfare
    @dukeofwelfare Год назад

    I joined back when keys were 8 refined metal each, I thought they were high then!

  • @lunaborne2981
    @lunaborne2981 6 месяцев назад

    Thought I would learn about TF2 keys, learned about the Venezuelan economic crisis

  • @GuyApollo
    @GuyApollo Год назад

    Since the world economy is barreling towards total economic collapse, because of inflation, Think it's important to note that they don't have to "print" anything anymore.
    A few key strokes on the computer can make money come from nothing.
    I love the skating over the socialism subject when talking about Venezuela. The oil production was socialize. The government took the oil production away from the private owners, this is what caused the devaluation

  • @StormBoss
    @StormBoss Год назад +3

    Dude, I love your voice

  • @C0nn0rak0s
    @C0nn0rak0s Год назад

    16:46 That is sad, grinding a game for 15 hours a day to support yourself... I never heard about venezuela's inflation before and that is very sad.

  • @KingOfLeeYT
    @KingOfLeeYT Год назад

    Holy crap coming into this video I didn't know what to expect, atleast you mentioned eve's market... :////, inflating is more like it. Especially for plex

  • @crusader_gaming8273
    @crusader_gaming8273 Год назад +3

    I wish valve added a currency system so you can buy weapons with the points you’ve earned and not get weapons thru chances

    • @nome1910
      @nome1910 Год назад

      I don't thing this is good idea, it would encourage addiction

    • @goto228i
      @goto228i Год назад

      ​@@nome1910 not really, tons of other games work that way

    • @nome1910
      @nome1910 Год назад

      @@goto228i Another games having this mechanic doesn't exclude the fact of it encouraging addction

  • @2shy2guy52
    @2shy2guy52 Год назад

    Almost forgot that he was talking about a game when he was talking about eve online

  • @bacontf2
    @bacontf2 9 месяцев назад

    What is your outro music? Sounds familiar

    • @htwo1
      @htwo1  9 месяцев назад

      the raindrop that fell to the sky - risk of rain 2 ost

  • @chairwood
    @chairwood Год назад

    I like tf2 and I like osrs :) good vid

  • @marianocenteno4603
    @marianocenteno4603 Год назад

    i mean yeah, the supposed minimum wage where i live its less than 200 dollars, so making dollars its really enticing to anyone, because winning 10 dollars in a game might be little to most european or english speaking countries, but here its a lot

  • @MBP1918
    @MBP1918 Год назад

    Interesting

  • @matts2080
    @matts2080 Год назад

    Ultrakill music

  • @soccerandtrack10
    @soccerandtrack10 12 дней назад

    17:46 why do spanish countries keep being in hell after spain died/left?...

  • @camo_man
    @camo_man Год назад

    can't wait to cash out my tempus points

    • @htwo1
      @htwo1  Год назад

      Hahaha unfortunately tempus points still aren't worth shit on the market. You have no idea what Gorge is keeping from us

  • @viket8316
    @viket8316 Год назад

    I wonder more quantity means more quantity = cheaper
    Low quantity = expensive
    Then what if someone begins to trade all the 0.55 scrap weapons and turn into scraps? Would people begin to sell and buy weapons for scraps since theres no more bots selling those? Person who does that doesnt lose money but tine

  • @bloodybladenum1920
    @bloodybladenum1920 Год назад

    I have an idea
    Civilian grade stat click upgrades
    Civ>freelance 1 clock 10ref
    Freelance>mercenary 3 clocks 50 ref
    Mercenary>commando 5 clocks 100ref
    Commando>assassin 10 clocks 500 ref
    Assassin>elite 50 clocks no ref
    So going with this exponential growth
    1 elite grade would cost a metric shit ton
    A fair trade to make any non strange skin strange
    This would also allow users to make tf2's white whale
    The strange factory new top shelf minigun
    And to avoid inflating the unusual market
    Unusual skins cannot gain benefits of the statclocks

    • @bloodybladenum1920
      @bloodybladenum1920 Год назад

      Anyone want to do the math?
      Because it's a LOT of metal
      And clocks
      Civ>freelance>mercenary>commando>assassin>elite
      0-3-5-10-50
      10ref-50ref-100ref-500ref-0ref
      Compounded growth to make higher grades more expensive

    • @QTwoSix
      @QTwoSix 3 месяца назад

      Good idea but never gonna happen. Mr Valve abandoned game

  • @mehcro3622
    @mehcro3622 Год назад

    Bread box tho

  • @princedest1ny
    @princedest1ny Год назад

    ah yes the hypixel skyblock coin

  • @Lumberjack_king
    @Lumberjack_king Год назад

    2:19 of course you Brit’s think your money is better 2:30 the u.s dollar is real money

  • @FreeApolo
    @FreeApolo Год назад

    always talking about other people getting their money up, you should start doing the same soon lil bro!

  • @LazyBuddyBan
    @LazyBuddyBan Год назад

    scamming lmao

  • @pogobod2128
    @pogobod2128 Год назад

    Sorry this doesnt have that much views

  • @JustinWhy_
    @JustinWhy_ Год назад

    Can anyone give me 3 billion keys

    • @Doduszkaa
      @Doduszkaa Год назад +13

      Didn't even say please

    • @jorgegutierrez8588
      @jorgegutierrez8588 Год назад

      @@Doduszkaa give em to me instead please 🙏

    • @Doduszkaa
      @Doduszkaa Год назад

      @@jorgegutierrez8588 no

    • @hassuassu
      @hassuassu Год назад

      I can double your keys

    • @Doduszkaa
      @Doduszkaa Год назад +1

      @@hassuassu elon musk can double the bitcoin u send to him