0:40 The part where Jeckie is going ham with the double sabers, repeatedly elbowing Qimir in the head and driving him back like a rabbid dog is pretty awesome 👏
Him and Lee Jung Jae are the two most interesting characters. I think Osha and Mae could've been more interesting if they were played by twins like they are as kids. Not that Amandla Stenberg isn't a bad actress, I just don't think she can play dual roles well. I also liked Jeckie and Yord a lot.
Yes I loved that fight scene. And it was so menacingly eerie how the trees fell. So gloriously unnatural. It made me feel uneasy and I loved them for that
people are complaining that the tree scene is stupid because a couple of them have openings and can easily take strikes at qimir. the reason they seem so confused is explained by qimir, he’s getting into the minds of them and causing them flail around and swing without focus. he’s taking advantage of their unpreparedness
I’ll add, the Jedi are not supposed to be actively trying to kill him. Their primary is to disarm and detain. Death blows are not Jedi way. An unfortunate weakness.
Normally I don't go for grammatical corrections online. But RUclipsrs today with their micro-celebrity mindset have such a tendency toward attempting to be or acting like authority figures (espeeecially with these types of various cultural pundit channels where the literal job description is to try to sound like an expert) that in this particular context, it does totally break the "immersion" for me. If your whole job is to present and defend your opinions through your words, you...might want to know what the words you use mean. Or, like, get an editor.
When Jecki and Sol were teamed up they were Putting In WORK! Attacking aggressively, driving him back, relentless pressure. Jecki's double spin slash was Sick. And filmed from a great angle. This was top tier action. Like live action clone wars. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Im really sad that ahsoka didn't recieve the same treatment in lightsaber combat, some scenes are good and a really few save that show for me(anakin, baylan first fight scenes and maybe the last morgan fight), but most of the lightsaber coreography looks so "wacky" at times... i don't know "limited" is the word that describes the feeling better to me when i was rewatching these scenes. Nothing on the level of the Acolyte, man look jacki fighting style, they totally could have done it to ahsoka but then came the excuse of some fans "she changed her style" or "the reverse grip, fast style, double sabers looks bad in live action"(of course, let's not forget the ahsoka vs zombies scenes with obvious slow coreography for such a character), not wanting to deminish it, it's understandable but come on, look at those lightsaber fights in the acolyte. What a waste of resources on such a bad script again, what a wasted potential. Lightsaber fights like these could have elevated at least a little of the mediocre content we have got these days. Imagine ahsoka show or obiwan fight scenes with these. It makes me mad, im in so much disbelief with this franchise at the hands of the disney writers that i just want to be happy with my headcanon now, this is really becoming something of a marvel and really becoming saturated, and im not feeling it's great. Well for me star wars is just... missing something now, and i fell no one at the company's hands can bring it back to me personally :( My statement to it all is just "Wasted potential" Edit: sorry the bad english
This was the best duel OF THE DISNEY ERA BUUUUUUT they absolutely failed to inform the viewer of the mechanism of shorting out light sabers It seriously took away from the fight because everyone assumes that light sabers can cut through anything with the only really difficult metal being beskar All they had to do was have the villain give MAE a piece of cortosis explain what it does if she ever needs it because she’s going up against people withlightsabers Then, when he finally does show up, he would generally be viewed as a bigger threat and audience not just sit there thinking what the hell just happened to the light sabers
@@kdusel1991 yeah, but i had to look that up. Any average casual very woulda been dumbfounded AND NOBODY EXPLAINED WHAT WAS GOING ON AFTER THE FACT WHICH IS A CRAZY LACK OF AWARENESS BY THE TEAM MAKING THIS. But thanks for the info anyway👍
@@shinote4 yeah at the very least BUT they all looked dumbfounded too. AT THE VERY LEAST when yord was escorting osha she coulda asked what happened with the sabers & he coilda told her its super rare cortosis BY PROXY FILLING VIEWERS IN. A massive amount of the criticism this show and it’s worthless team is genuinely their own fault. But again, it is the best duel in Disney Star Wars. Best fight though is Mando versus moth Gideon👍
That’s the one peice of credit I can give the Acolyte. Even if the lore of it and everything is still uninteresting and retcons way too much of Star Wars for me to watch it fully. But yeah if they mix that kind of combat with actual good storytelling then we Star Wars fans might actually have a chance.
@@xSuperFryxany time i see someone complain about this show "breaking lore" i laugh cause it just shows how many people don't actually know what is and isn't canon. Like how have people forgotten that Disney wiped the slate clean when they bought Disney?
Definitely agree the fight scenes are an improvement from Kylo and reys fight scenes now if only they could of got the story/lore right this show could of been a 10/10 but as it stands now since the lore and story isn't that good I'll give it a six with a 7 at the highest
The better specific scenes are, the worst the whole series will be. It is like a shit sandwitch, with a piece of sweetbread in the middle of hard AF shit on one side and sloppy, watery shit on the other side. You have to chomp pass the shit to get to the good bit. It is like abusive relationship, with the person you loves abuse you, hit you, exploit your ass, and still you cling to him/her because of that one good moment you have together. This is the relationship between Star Wars and some of the fans. You know it can be good. You have witnessed when it was actually good. But it chooses not to always be good. It uses the goot bits it has to exploit you, string you along, compel you to maintain your subscription, and for what? Nothing but heartbreak and ridicule.
I like the speed but there's still a stiffness to this kind of choreography that comes from trying to be super precise about exactly what moves they should do. I wish we could see a more flowing, slightly messy style of lightsaber choreography that really looks like realistic martial arts. Look at a movie like The Duelists, where the fights have lots of little touches to make them feel more fluid and messy at the same time. I mean, you're praising the Vader/Kenobi fight but look at the clip you used. Vader knocks down Obi-Wan, who doesn't exactly get up quickly, and Vader brings his saber down just slowly enough for Obi-Wan to avoid it. There's so much room for improvement.
Well the preciseness probably comes from the Force. Jedi kind of enter a trance when they start fighting and let the Force guide their movements. It's how they can block blaster bolts. Or at least that's what I've heard, I could be wrong. Either way I would like to see more realistic fights, but were also dealing with space magic.
@@appletree13 But being guided by the Force wouldn't change how your body needs to move to do something. If anything, the aid of the Force should make their movements more natural and spontaneous, they shouldn't look rigid and planned out.
Yes, it could have been better in many ways. People disappearing or freezing in time when they are off screen is the most glaring issue, and people aiming for and hitting empty space during group fights is unfortunately the Hollywood standard. But it was quite a solid fight, and compared to what Disney delivered so far it definitely exceeded expectations in a good way.
Some people hate this show much they refuse to even give it credit for the amazing fight choreography. It’s fine if you don’t like the story, the lore, the characters, or even the performances as long as you give them valid criticism. But I’ve seen people tearing into the choreography of this show as if it’s not literally the best live action fights we’ve seen in the Disney era. It’s fine if people don’t like the show but like you said give credit where credit is due. This is the most exciting Jedi combat has been in live action since TPM/ROTS.
The fight was exceptional by the standards of Disney Star Wars. It was truly exceptional for the kind of mid tier budget show the Acolyte feels like. The fight is still quite good for what the show actually cost.. If you want to hype it up, compare it with the fights in the sequels, it can compare with those. It wasn't a Duel of the Fates kind of fight, and pretending it was makes it hard to take you seriously.
most of the time u can just tell when they want to just clash lightsabers cause its goona just whiff them anyways but this is some goodfast paced action that looks real
Absolutely! Also, I love that they got a Dark Side baddie with a "new" light saber style that actually isn't new - and made it work great. I mean, Darth Maul's double saber was nuts. We all gasped with glee in the TPM teaser trailer when that second blade emerged, and the fight scenes in TPM absolutely delivered on the promise. Dooku just sort of had a bent saber, which was kinda okay cool and a bit more threatening looking, but not really anything spectacular. Grievous had a bunch of helicopter sabers, which ... meh whatever. yadda yadda yadda Kylo Ren had a cross shaped saber which was a bit cool looking in terms of symbolism. But it wasn't interesting in terms of the light saber action at all. But Qimir? The split off shoto saber was awesome in action (and there's the promise for more, if we see shoto vs light whip). And it's not even new! It's new to live action Star Wars, but the split shoto blade has been in video games.
I don’t know where I heard it but I believe they changed technologies for the on screen lightsabers at some point in the last year or so. If I recall correctly Obi Wan and some of the earlier shows had some kind of battery pack they were tethered to which made the sabers much heavier and more unwieldy for the actors. Very glad that limitation has been resolved!
I will 100% give credit to the lightsaber battles in this goofy show. This is what I want to see in live action SW fighting. My imagination is more aggressive with fighting (mostly because of books like the Bane trilogy) but that would end up all CGI which is a downside. The fighting in this show is about as good as it could get for live action not using CGI for everything (IMO)
I dunno if this is a hot take or not, but to me, the final fight in Kenobi was also kinda lackluster (the choreography, not the character interactions)
Huh? The fights in ep 5 were pretty horrendous compared to everything else in the movies. It was just a bunch of awkward pauses because we're fighting one guy, leaving yourself completely open, scurrying of camera when you can kill, purposefully attacking weapons instead of characters, and overly choreographed attacks that aren't aimed at the foe. The only thing it did right was look flashy and not have many cuts.
I think it's a little better than duel of the fates but not by much. Also not as good as Anakin v Obi Wan on Mustafar. But it's still really really good.
Honestly I got spoiled by the major deaths, reveal, and the new status quo before I watched the episode, but the lightsaber fights throughout the epsidoe kept me hooked
Looks like they stopped using the heavy sabers for this fight. I know in Ahsoka, they used the heavier sabers to create a more realistic effect but sadly the actors were not able to move so freely with them as they were too heavy and or fear of being broken.
Is it on the level of the prequels? No. Is it better than almost any lightsaber fight that Disney has done so far? Except for Vader vs. Kenobi (which shouldn't even have happened), most likely.
I'd rather rewatch the behind the scenes stuff regarding the Star Wars: Republic Commando video game squad camaraderie and the Avatar: The Last Airbender cartoon's martial arts choreography courtesy of Sifu Kisu. Meantime, if I had my way, these sods should be grateful I won't fire them out of irrationally irreversible spite and disgust. With that said, the very competent ones may end up being useful choreographers and material referencers for certain animated works... who knows if the likes of Amity Blight-Noceda may need to be a CQC expert, sidearm training, and A-Wing flight expertise (and the A-Wing better be like the early X-Wing games' variant, not the overbearing X-Wing Alliance and Squadrons ones) in some serialized sequel tale for a buncha Disney classics, innit?
Holy bro, I actually want to watch this, I did not think Disney had the balls to kill off Jedi, or heck even have that much stabbing. Even if they’re cut away shots I’ll take this for good action because I’m hungry for some more action
To say that this battle was equivalent to dual of the fates is such a bold claim, yeah the fight was the first solid fight that we got since disney took over starwars but the fight still sucks if you look at openings and technique. (how iffy/slow some of the parts were) First decent episode of acolyte so far tho!
See, I actually like a lot of the lightsaber duels, particularly the Ashoka series. But that’s me. Episode 5 made trudging through the first four episodes worth it but this is a trend with the Star Wars series.
I will once again state: Knights of Ren movie. John Wick Directors. If they can't figure out a way to get Adam Driver back, ask if he'd voice Kylo and have a stunt double in the suit. If it's absolutely no, make Kylo significantly younger during the movie and cast someone else.
I was seeing a lot of hypocrisy in the fandom after this episode, with people commenting about these fights being awful and trash and nothing compared to the prequels, then the same people call fights that are virtually identical, if not slower, "this is what disney should take notes on" bro istg
Lost me at "the jedi intertwine use of the force between combat" , because that clearly did not happen lol. It's brilliant.. In comparison to the previous 4 episodes of filler and confusion sure. However there's way better that was done with way less in SW alone, let alone other forms of TV and movie cinema. You've been fed saltines for 4 episodes and now you think a hotdog is a steak lol.
The thing about Kenobi is that they probably didn't need to choreograph much. Ewan and Hayden have so much muscle memory when it comes to sword fighting together, they were probably able to just go for it and make it look cool without even trying. (Although I'm not sure Hayden did the fight scenes dressed as Vader.)
Kylo Ren has taken down Star Wars Godzilla single handed (Zillo Beast), fought in open battlefields against entire armies, summoned a literal lightning storm on the Jedi Temple (confirmed to be his doing) wiping them all out in one gesture, and he’s folded multiple Jedi simultaneously in lightsaber combat. I advise you to look up a comic my guy, bro’s the canon Darth Caedus…I know the movies didn’t do a great job of showing it, but Kylo Ren is an absolute menace.
@@DyLok. Zillo>>>>Godzilla Idk about old Godzilla, but the newer one is just an bumbling idiot and minus one is a nerfed version and is still more scary than the powerful one. I mean..........
The fights were so good, I looked them up on youtube to watch them because I'm not sitting through 4 episodes of "meh" to get to them Credit where it's due, they spent $180M and gave us a cool lightsaber fight. Sure, I can find a bunch of really well choreographed fights from fans on youtube that didn't need $180M to do em, but hey.
I really don't like the show but this was a good episode with good fights. Beaides that, the show isn't that divisive. It seems to be pretty universally disliked.
I agree with the fact that the dueling in Disney’s SW is slow and pretty much boring and that this fight is truely a peak dueling (defenetly the best in Disney’s live action SW). But I disagree about Ahsoka’s bad dueling. Her dueling was amazing in her show (especialy her vs Anakin), I mean try to wear that head piece and fight, move quickly and act at the same time. She was great in it so not a single bad word about that. Sure the other fights weren’t as good but still not as bad as for example in Ep IX. But this fight is Honestly like Sidious/Dooku fights on steroids (this guy took down 7-8 jedi knights and masters like it’s just a child’s play).
I didn’t think the _Ahsoka_ fights were bad 🤷🏻♂️ and the one in that episode of _The Acolyte_ were good, but I still thought they felt a bit claustrophobic… not the choreography’s fault, but I guess the limited sets.
Tbh i have lost interest in star wars because light sabers werent cool anymore, however the acolyte, in an era in which lightsabers are fairly common, managed to make them cool again, of all shows acolyte being the one to do that again... ive been enjoying the acolyte to some extent, i watched it while doing something else, but episode 5? damn that got you expecting what was going to happen, literally no one had any plot armor everyone could die there and, like phantom menace, i wasnt interested until a light saber clashed with another lightsaber... so credit where credit is due, thank you acolyte for making lightsabers cool again.
I was disappointed by the plot of the episode it just doesn't make sense especially when Sol is about to kill Quimir and Osha stops him only because she wanted to kill him her way sacrificing her friend in the process it's like a forced payoff for the bugs set up we have seen that it's not unlike the jedi way to eliminate targets that simply are too dangerous to be left alive Mace Windu says it and in clone wars even Yoda says that if it comes to that they should execute Sidious. If you don't take that into account the lightsaber fights are beautiful and I love how brutal they are Quimir just did not hold back which is what you would expect from a Sith lord.
This demo footage is definitely sped up. And it’s definitely not on the level of the prequels. But still better than 95% of the Disney duels. Some might argue better than the best of Kenobi. Still, it looks like a stage play as opposed to a cinematic fight. Good choreography doesn’t look choreographed. This was the first episode I actually watched. And everyone agrees it’s the best episode. Still, not good. The only fight scene I remotely liked was with Jecki. I hated every part of the story and it was so short.
they need to just keep the choreographer for the acolyte as their full time choreographer. pretty much every fight scene in every other live action show outside of andor and mando has been awful. they always have a ton of obvious openings that werent taken advantage of or are just poorly done fights overall. the only time i noticed that with the qimir fight was when jecky kicked him in the chest instead of just stabbing him but it flowed well enough and she was a padawan so i can kind of excuse it. funnily enough though jecky seemed to be the most experienced in combat aside from sol lol, she was a badass.
I love how Qimir's fighting style is so aggressive, every movement is with intent to kill.
He's clearly using form 7.
.......and? Are you saying the sith normally don't try to kill their opponents?
@@cylusonsteam No, he is saying that he love how Qimir's fighting style is so aggressive
@@Nathan-gm9nl okay
Except, when he skitters off at random times.
I guarantee that they were all making lightsaber noises that had to be edited out, as is tradition
0:40 The part where Jeckie is going ham with the double sabers, repeatedly elbowing Qimir in the head and driving him back like a rabbid dog is pretty awesome 👏
She didnt elbow him in the head… She hit him in the helmet, and breaks it with her elbow.
Elbows of steel! Pretty awesome! 👏👌🤩
@@kryptkeeper457 Then she dies. Along with Yord. 😭😭
@kryptkeeper457 you do know helmets go on the head right?
@@Diiv_Tiid whats your point?
@@kryptkeeper457 she elbowed him in the head
Whoever did the choreography for The Acolyte needs to do more of it because oh my god. the best duels we've seen since the prequals.
What are you people smoking? It's mediocre at best.
@@neondemon5137 It was fast. I like fast. Like that old republic cinematic
@@neondemon5137 what are you on? it's was epic.
@@neondemon5137 Mediocre at best? Dafuck, this is the best duel we have had on ANY Disney show or the sequels so far
Haters gonna hate, always
@@neondemon5137to your credit, Disney has pushed the bar incredibly low this past decade.
the one thing i've been liking in the Acolyte is the fight choreography, not just the lightsaber combat but the hand to hand earlier on in the series
I enjoy the hand to hand usage too. It makes sense cause during the high republic, jedi would probably only be using their sabers as a last resort
Qimir carrying this show
Him and Lee Jung Jae are the two most interesting characters. I think Osha and Mae could've been more interesting if they were played by twins like they are as kids. Not that Amandla Stenberg isn't a bad actress, I just don't think she can play dual roles well. I also liked Jeckie and Yord a lot.
@@kdusel1991you and i are on the same page
Yes I loved that fight scene. And it was so menacingly eerie how the trees fell. So gloriously unnatural. It made me feel uneasy and I loved them for that
This is why China wins
people are complaining that the tree scene is stupid because a couple of them have openings and can easily take strikes at qimir. the reason they seem so confused is explained by qimir, he’s getting into the minds of them and causing them flail around and swing without focus. he’s taking advantage of their unpreparedness
I took this to mean that Qimir is actively using battle meditation while fighting.
That's most likely how he defeats Yord.
Agreed. I also think it’s cause like yord said he doesn’t follow the rules, these jedi seem to have been very confused, lost and honestly untrained
A lot of people complaining actually know very little about Star Wars beyond what’s been on live action on screen. I don’t listen to those people.
I’ll add, the Jedi are not supposed to be actively trying to kill him. Their primary is to disarm and detain. Death blows are not Jedi way. An unfortunate weakness.
"Diversive" XD I think you mean divisive
'E gut dat ol' Enlish accen' ye'?
Normally I don't go for grammatical corrections online. But RUclipsrs today with their micro-celebrity mindset have such a tendency toward attempting to be or acting like authority figures (espeeecially with these types of various cultural pundit channels where the literal job description is to try to sound like an expert) that in this particular context, it does totally break the "immersion" for me. If your whole job is to present and defend your opinions through your words, you...might want to know what the words you use mean. Or, like, get an editor.
I want to believe it was an intentional portmanteau.
No, pretty sure he meant diversive.
@@crowhaven895 i hate people who look different to me.
Manny Jacinto went from the Dumbest man alive in The Good Place to a Badass Alleged Sith! I'm so happy for him! ^^
Lol. He wasn’t alive on “The Good Place.”😂
He's a sith apprentice. He's looking for an acolyte to help overthrow his own master.
@@cheat13 i loved him in the good place lmao
@@aylinilya. BORTLES!!
His hawt
Agree with fights being lacklustre but I think the first fight between Ashoka v Baylan Skoll was good.
Ahsoka v baylan round one was awesome!
@@kdusel1991 One of the few characters outside the prequels which felt like they had their own styles. Like a samurai!
Baylan vs Ahsoka round 1 and the final Obi-Wan vs Vader duel in the Kenobi series were top notch.
@@D2RCR correct 😎
@@rhystilsley9532I'll also mention Anakin V Ahsoka in the world between worlds. Hayden hasn't lost his touch.
When Jecki and Sol were teamed up they were Putting In WORK! Attacking aggressively, driving him back, relentless pressure. Jecki's double spin slash was Sick. And filmed from a great angle. This was top tier action. Like live action clone wars. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
I dont even care about star wars, im just thinking about qimir's arm.
Henceforth Qimir shall be known as Darth Biceps 😂😂
bro brought a going show to a saber fight
I love how everyone unanimously agrees that we needed this fight
Closest to prequel style fighting since forever.
Ahsoka's first half still had some great choreogrpahy.
Sabine vs Shin (Fight 1 and 2)
Ahsoka vs Marrok and Assassin Droid
Ahsoka vs Baylan
not as good as this😊
Anakin vs Ahsoka in the WBW is so good and ppl don’t talk about that enough
@@specxlaw YESSIR
@@specxlawAnakin v Ahsoka was awesome! Hayden hasn't lost his touch at all!
Im really sad that ahsoka didn't recieve the same treatment in lightsaber combat, some scenes are good and a really few save that show for me(anakin, baylan first fight scenes and maybe the last morgan fight), but most of the lightsaber coreography looks so "wacky" at times... i don't know "limited" is the word that describes the feeling better to me when i was rewatching these scenes. Nothing on the level of the Acolyte, man look jacki fighting style, they totally could have done it to ahsoka but then came the excuse of some fans "she changed her style" or "the reverse grip, fast style, double sabers looks bad in live action"(of course, let's not forget the ahsoka vs zombies scenes with obvious slow coreography for such a character), not wanting to deminish it, it's understandable but come on, look at those lightsaber fights in the acolyte. What a waste of resources on such a bad script again, what a wasted potential. Lightsaber fights like these could have elevated at least a little of the mediocre content we have got these days. Imagine ahsoka show or obiwan fight scenes with these. It makes me mad, im in so much disbelief with this franchise at the hands of the disney writers that i just want to be happy with my headcanon now, this is really becoming something of a marvel and really becoming saturated, and im not feeling it's great. Well for me star wars is just... missing something now, and i fell no one at the company's hands can bring it back to me personally :(
My statement to it all is just "Wasted potential"
Edit: sorry the bad english
This was the best duel OF THE DISNEY ERA BUUUUUUT they absolutely failed to inform the viewer of the mechanism of shorting out light sabers
It seriously took away from the fight because everyone assumes that light sabers can cut through anything with the only really difficult metal being beskar
All they had to do was have the villain give MAE a piece of cortosis explain what it does if she ever needs it because she’s going up against people withlightsabers
Then, when he finally does show up, he would generally be viewed as a bigger threat and audience not just sit there thinking what the hell just happened to the light sabers
His helmet and gauntlet are weaved with a very very rare metal called cortosis. It has the ability to short out lightsabers.
@@kdusel1991 Logically one of those Jedi would've mentioned the cortosis out loud to make sure everyone else is aware of it.
@@kdusel1991 yeah, but i had to look that up. Any average casual very woulda been dumbfounded AND NOBODY EXPLAINED WHAT WAS GOING ON AFTER THE FACT WHICH IS A CRAZY LACK OF AWARENESS BY THE TEAM MAKING THIS.
But thanks for the info anyway👍
@@shinote4 yeah at the very least BUT they all looked dumbfounded too.
AT THE VERY LEAST when yord was escorting osha she coulda asked what happened with the sabers & he coilda told her its super rare cortosis BY PROXY FILLING VIEWERS IN.
A massive amount of the criticism this show and it’s worthless team is genuinely their own fault.
But again, it is the best duel in Disney Star Wars.
Best fight though is Mando versus moth Gideon👍
That’s the one peice of credit I can give the Acolyte. Even if the lore of it and everything is still uninteresting and retcons way too much of Star Wars for me to watch it fully. But yeah if they mix that kind of combat with actual good storytelling then we Star Wars fans might actually have a chance.
There have been zero retcons so far
@@xSuperFryx Mundi should not have been born yet much less grown up.
@@hafeezasif7932 that’s legends lore. Legends is a separate continuity with its own lore. His age in the new continuity isn’t known.
@@xSuperFryxany time i see someone complain about this show "breaking lore" i laugh cause it just shows how many people don't actually know what is and isn't canon. Like how have people forgotten that Disney wiped the slate clean when they bought Disney?
@@simpletown323 Yeah where were everyone when they performed a mass retcon
I get dark empire was bad but it wasn't THAT bad
Since this show is set before the events of the prequel trilogy, it would make sense for the lightsaber duels to be fast and intense.
The fact that they managed to do one thing right is a miracle we should not take for granted
The lightsaber duels in episode 5 are so good!! Qimir is a beast! And Jeckie put up an impressive fight for a padawan. RIP Jeckie and Yord!!
the fights are the best part of the show, like all things there is good and bad and currently overall it stands at mid
Agreed.
I wouldn't call an 80+ % dissapproval rating divisive. Most people seem to agree on their opinion of the show. It's just a negative one.
You forgot about the paid shills. They love it, allegedly.
The combat in this series is incredible and Qimir IMO is the best since Anakin and his power is terrifying.
It was definitely some of the best Star Wars action we’ve gotten in a while
Looks good I’m looking forward to watching this show , may the force be with us all
It's not Disney's best star wars show but definitely not their worst like all the whiny grifters are saying it is. In my opinion it's perfectly fine.
Definitely agree the fight scenes are an improvement from Kylo and reys fight scenes now if only they could of got the story/lore right this show could of been a 10/10 but as it stands now since the lore and story isn't that good I'll give it a six with a 7 at the highest
I give it a 6.5 overall. This episode is a solid 7.
Qimir fighting the Jedi was exactly how I wished the initial sequence of Palpatine vs Mace and the boys went
The better specific scenes are, the worst the whole series will be.
It is like a shit sandwitch, with a piece of sweetbread in the middle of hard AF shit on one side and sloppy, watery shit on the other side. You have to chomp pass the shit to get to the good bit.
It is like abusive relationship, with the person you loves abuse you, hit you, exploit your ass, and still you cling to him/her because of that one good moment you have together.
This is the relationship between Star Wars and some of the fans.
You know it can be good. You have witnessed when it was actually good. But it chooses not to always be good. It uses the goot bits it has to exploit you, string you along, compel you to maintain your subscription, and for what? Nothing but heartbreak and ridicule.
I like the speed but there's still a stiffness to this kind of choreography that comes from trying to be super precise about exactly what moves they should do. I wish we could see a more flowing, slightly messy style of lightsaber choreography that really looks like realistic martial arts. Look at a movie like The Duelists, where the fights have lots of little touches to make them feel more fluid and messy at the same time.
I mean, you're praising the Vader/Kenobi fight but look at the clip you used. Vader knocks down Obi-Wan, who doesn't exactly get up quickly, and Vader brings his saber down just slowly enough for Obi-Wan to avoid it. There's so much room for improvement.
Well the preciseness probably comes from the Force. Jedi kind of enter a trance when they start fighting and let the Force guide their movements. It's how they can block blaster bolts.
Or at least that's what I've heard, I could be wrong. Either way I would like to see more realistic fights, but were also dealing with space magic.
@@appletree13 But being guided by the Force wouldn't change how your body needs to move to do something. If anything, the aid of the Force should make their movements more natural and spontaneous, they shouldn't look rigid and planned out.
@@darkphoenix2 that's true, and I suppose that's one of the problems with scripting fights.
Yes, it could have been better in many ways. People disappearing or freezing in time when they are off screen is the most glaring issue, and people aiming for and hitting empty space during group fights is unfortunately the Hollywood standard. But it was quite a solid fight, and compared to what Disney delivered so far it definitely exceeded expectations in a good way.
Some people hate this show much they refuse to even give it credit for the amazing fight choreography. It’s fine if you don’t like the story, the lore, the characters, or even the performances as long as you give them valid criticism. But I’ve seen people tearing into the choreography of this show as if it’s not literally the best live action fights we’ve seen in the Disney era. It’s fine if people don’t like the show but like you said give credit where credit is due. This is the most exciting Jedi combat has been in live action since TPM/ROTS.
I think that's third time I see someone not shitting on the choreography
The fight was exceptional by the standards of Disney Star Wars. It was truly exceptional for the kind of mid tier budget show the Acolyte feels like. The fight is still quite good for what the show actually cost.. If you want to hype it up, compare it with the fights in the sequels, it can compare with those.
It wasn't a Duel of the Fates kind of fight, and pretending it was makes it hard to take you seriously.
Episode 5 of The Acolyte had a great fight scene.
most of the time u can just tell when they want to just clash lightsabers cause its goona just whiff them anyways but this is some goodfast paced action that looks real
Absolutely! Also, I love that they got a Dark Side baddie with a "new" light saber style that actually isn't new - and made it work great.
I mean, Darth Maul's double saber was nuts. We all gasped with glee in the TPM teaser trailer when that second blade emerged, and the fight scenes in TPM absolutely delivered on the promise.
Dooku just sort of had a bent saber, which was kinda okay cool and a bit more threatening looking, but not really anything spectacular.
Grievous had a bunch of helicopter sabers, which ... meh whatever.
yadda yadda yadda
Kylo Ren had a cross shaped saber which was a bit cool looking in terms of symbolism. But it wasn't interesting in terms of the light saber action at all.
But Qimir? The split off shoto saber was awesome in action (and there's the promise for more, if we see shoto vs light whip). And it's not even new! It's new to live action Star Wars, but the split shoto blade has been in video games.
What are you talking about, its not divisive at all.
Nobody likes it. Its got a 14% on RT
It's been review bombed by bots and grifters. It's not the best Disney star wars show but definitely it's not the worst
@@kdusel1991 which is the worst?
@@kdusel1991Not everyone who dislikes it is a bot or grifter. People have different opinions
@@cylusonsteam literally bobf, mando s3, the holiday special or even rise of skywalker
bro you were just trashing it
I don't like the show but I love the fights. Would've been amazing to have such fights in the Sequels.
I don’t know where I heard it but I believe they changed technologies for the on screen lightsabers at some point in the last year or so. If I recall correctly Obi Wan and some of the earlier shows had some kind of battery pack they were tethered to which made the sabers much heavier and more unwieldy for the actors. Very glad that limitation has been resolved!
I will 100% give credit to the lightsaber battles in this goofy show. This is what I want to see in live action SW fighting. My imagination is more aggressive with fighting (mostly because of books like the Bane trilogy) but that would end up all CGI which is a downside. The fighting in this show is about as good as it could get for live action not using CGI for everything (IMO)
I dunno if this is a hot take or not, but to me, the final fight in Kenobi was also kinda lackluster (the choreography, not the character interactions)
Huh? The fights in ep 5 were pretty horrendous compared to everything else in the movies. It was just a bunch of awkward pauses because we're fighting one guy, leaving yourself completely open, scurrying of camera when you can kill, purposefully attacking weapons instead of characters, and overly choreographed attacks that aren't aimed at the foe. The only thing it did right was look flashy and not have many cuts.
Agreed this fight was grear
I liked the ep 5 fight scene more than probably any fight scene in the prequels. Might be tied with Maul but I think I prefer this one tbh.
I think it's a little better than duel of the fates but not by much. Also not as good as Anakin v Obi Wan on Mustafar. But it's still really really good.
@@kdusel1991 I was never a big fan of the mustafar duel. Too little tension and it flowed too dancy.
Honestly I got spoiled by the major deaths, reveal, and the new status quo before I watched the episode, but the lightsaber fights throughout the epsidoe kept me hooked
I love how downright viola not Qimirs fighting style way.
That’s the only 10 this show is getting
Did you just say it was as good as the Kenobi Maul fight?
The lightsaber choreography in this series is among the best in all of Star Wars.
The best in Disney Star Wars.
It doesn’t compare to Duel Of The Fates,Battle On Mustafar,or Yoda vs Dooku.
Diversive? That’s not a word.
Looks like they stopped using the heavy sabers for this fight. I know in Ahsoka, they used the heavier sabers to create a more realistic effect but sadly the actors were not able to move so freely with them as they were too heavy and or fear of being broken.
Is it on the level of the prequels? No. Is it better than almost any lightsaber fight that Disney has done so far? Except for Vader vs. Kenobi (which shouldn't even have happened), most likely.
Dislike the show but that fight scene was pretty good. Just hate how some fanboys are too blinded by hate to even admit it.
I'd rather rewatch the behind the scenes stuff regarding the Star Wars: Republic Commando video game squad camaraderie and the Avatar: The Last Airbender cartoon's martial arts choreography courtesy of Sifu Kisu.
Meantime, if I had my way, these sods should be grateful I won't fire them out of irrationally irreversible spite and disgust. With that said, the very competent ones may end up being useful choreographers and material referencers for certain animated works... who knows if the likes of Amity Blight-Noceda may need to be a CQC expert, sidearm training, and A-Wing flight expertise (and the A-Wing better be like the early X-Wing games' variant, not the overbearing X-Wing Alliance and Squadrons ones) in some serialized sequel tale for a buncha Disney classics, innit?
Holy bro, I actually want to watch this, I did not think Disney had the balls to kill off Jedi, or heck even have that much stabbing. Even if they’re cut away shots I’ll take this for good action because I’m hungry for some more action
What story line? What plot? Please.
Fights->Yes, dear no.
To say that this battle was equivalent to dual of the fates is such a bold claim, yeah the fight was the first solid fight that we got since disney took over starwars but the fight still sucks if you look at openings and technique. (how iffy/slow some of the parts were)
First decent episode of acolyte so far tho!
See, I actually like a lot of the lightsaber duels, particularly the Ashoka series. But that’s me.
Episode 5 made trudging through the first four episodes worth it but this is a trend with the Star Wars series.
If they had only used the same focal length in the BTS as they did in the show.
dark side joker is no joke.
Thank you
I will once again state:
Knights of Ren movie. John Wick Directors.
If they can't figure out a way to get Adam Driver back, ask if he'd voice Kylo and have a stunt double in the suit.
If it's absolutely no, make Kylo significantly younger during the movie and cast someone else.
it was good I agree, but comparing it to ep1 duel is blasphemy.
do you mean "divisive?"
Correct if I'm wrong, but didn't they get the stunt corridor from the prequels for the show?
I was seeing a lot of hypocrisy in the fandom after this episode, with people commenting about these fights being awful and trash and nothing compared to the prequels, then the same people call fights that are virtually identical, if not slower, "this is what disney should take notes on" bro istg
Lost me at "the jedi intertwine use of the force between combat" , because that clearly did not happen lol.
It's brilliant..
In comparison to the previous 4 episodes of filler and confusion sure. However there's way better that was done with way less in SW alone, let alone other forms of TV and movie cinema.
You've been fed saltines for 4 episodes and now you think a hotdog is a steak lol.
The fight scene was incredible, can someone tell theory this!
Totally agree
The thing about Kenobi is that they probably didn't need to choreograph much. Ewan and Hayden have so much muscle memory when it comes to sword fighting together, they were probably able to just go for it and make it look cool without even trying. (Although I'm not sure Hayden did the fight scenes dressed as Vader.)
In a video I saw recently, he said that it was him fighting in the suit.
@@YavorM-Yash That's cool to know. I've seen conflicting reports, saying he was only in the suit for close up work.
Kylo Ren could never.
Kylo Ren has taken down Star Wars Godzilla single handed (Zillo Beast), fought in open battlefields against entire armies, summoned a literal lightning storm on the Jedi Temple (confirmed to be his doing) wiping them all out in one gesture, and he’s folded multiple Jedi simultaneously in lightsaber combat.
I advise you to look up a comic my guy, bro’s the canon Darth Caedus…I know the movies didn’t do a great job of showing it, but Kylo Ren is an absolute menace.
Big lizard ≠ godzilla@@Ivbo
@@DyLok. Zillo>>>>Godzilla
Idk about old Godzilla, but the newer one is just an bumbling idiot and minus one is a nerfed version and is still more scary than the powerful one. I mean..........
@@Ivbowas beaten by a little girl
@@anubhavdassarma7230 you dont want to start this
Only flaw is probably lighting,but that's just my opinion
Manny Jacinto does play his role well.
I dont known if its sad or good to see the current best fighting scene in Star Wars canon, is in its' current worst story yet
The fights were so good, I looked them up on youtube to watch them because I'm not sitting through 4 episodes of "meh" to get to them
Credit where it's due, they spent $180M and gave us a cool lightsaber fight.
Sure, I can find a bunch of really well choreographed fights from fans on youtube that didn't need $180M to do em, but hey.
The Kenobi fight was horrible, yes it had emotion but besides that the fighting was down right embarrassing
Lightsaber battles don't cover terrible writing and story telling.
It’s too bad that a good fight scene doesn’t make a good show
I really don't like the show but this was a good episode with good fights.
Beaides that, the show isn't that divisive. It seems to be pretty universally disliked.
too bad it didnt survive long enough for me to get to that part
Didn't you guys praise the Fights in Ahsoka? Especially the first fight between Ahsoka and Baylin? Why are you going back on that now?
I agree with the fact that the dueling in Disney’s SW is slow and pretty much boring and that this fight is truely a peak dueling (defenetly the best in Disney’s live action SW). But I disagree about Ahsoka’s bad dueling. Her dueling was amazing in her show (especialy her vs Anakin), I mean try to wear that head piece and fight, move quickly and act at the same time. She was great in it so not a single bad word about that. Sure the other fights weren’t as good but still not as bad as for example in Ep IX. But this fight is Honestly like Sidious/Dooku fights on steroids (this guy took down 7-8 jedi knights and masters like it’s just a child’s play).
I agree except that I really loved the Ahsoka series fights. Though Acolyte is at a different level
I didn’t think the _Ahsoka_ fights were bad 🤷🏻♂️
and the one in that episode of _The Acolyte_ were good, but I still thought they felt a bit claustrophobic… not the choreography’s fault, but I guess the limited sets.
I haven't heard you say anything bad about acolyte yet. It's weird
Tbh i have lost interest in star wars because light sabers werent cool anymore, however the acolyte, in an era in which lightsabers are fairly common, managed to make them cool again, of all shows acolyte being the one to do that again... ive been enjoying the acolyte to some extent, i watched it while doing something else, but episode 5? damn that got you expecting what was going to happen, literally no one had any plot armor everyone could die there and, like phantom menace, i wasnt interested until a light saber clashed with another lightsaber... so credit where credit is due, thank you acolyte for making lightsabers cool again.
Has anyone else noticed how many negative posts are by posters with names like user@-then a random string of characters?
To bad some of the jedi knights missed wide open strikes…
But all the jedi are dead. Thats it. You got one episode. Nah. Not good enough.
the choreography is okayish. it feels like later john wick. so many opportunities to kill that somehow not taken.
I did not like the fights as they’ve felt poorly sped up and thus had lacking frames, it was too choppy in my opinion.
Why didnt the Jedi keep fighting using the Force when their lightsabers were disabled? Are they really that trash at using the Force?
I hate the show but the fights are good
I was disappointed by the plot of the episode it just doesn't make sense especially when Sol is about to kill Quimir and Osha stops him only because she wanted to kill him her way sacrificing her friend in the process it's like a forced payoff for the bugs set up we have seen that it's not unlike the jedi way to eliminate targets that simply are too dangerous to be left alive Mace Windu says it and in clone wars even Yoda says that if it comes to that they should execute Sidious. If you don't take that into account the lightsaber fights are beautiful and I love how brutal they are Quimir just did not hold back which is what you would expect from a Sith lord.
Not going to give credit to a racist actress in a show made by a racist studio.
Agreed. Who on earth wants to make a demographic of your audience angry for no reason?
This demo footage is definitely sped up. And it’s definitely not on the level of the prequels. But still better than 95% of the Disney duels. Some might argue better than the best of Kenobi.
Still, it looks like a stage play as opposed to a cinematic fight. Good choreography doesn’t look choreographed.
This was the first episode I actually watched. And everyone agrees it’s the best episode. Still, not good. The only fight scene I remotely liked was with Jecki. I hated every part of the story and it was so short.
they need to just keep the choreographer for the acolyte as their full time choreographer. pretty much every fight scene in every other live action show outside of andor and mando has been awful. they always have a ton of obvious openings that werent taken advantage of or are just poorly done fights overall. the only time i noticed that with the qimir fight was when jecky kicked him in the chest instead of just stabbing him but it flowed well enough and she was a padawan so i can kind of excuse it. funnily enough though jecky seemed to be the most experienced in combat aside from sol lol, she was a badass.
Agreed
It’s a shame they blew all their budget on choreography and then had to skimp on the writing, props, costumes, fx department, etc…