The Worry With Thomas Tuchel At Manchester United
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2024
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With Erik Ten Hag’s job in question with United having statistically one of their worse ever Premier League seasons, managers are starting to be earmarked for the United job with one of them being the well travelled Thomas Tuchel. United’s strike rate on managers since Fergie has been underwhelming to say the least and the jeopardy behind each appointment is beginning to grow as the fans and club become more and more desperate - Thomas Tuchel is a great manager within his own right but you can’t help but wonder whether the United job has become a bit of a poisoned chalice. Tuchel also DOES have a few concerns to consider also, so let’s talk about the worry with Thomas Tuchel...
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Majority of fans want ten hag to actually get time to cook yet constant podcasts and media talking about other options. We want time for a new manager yet some only want to give ten hag two years and one of those was good. The second was 60+ injuries and off form players. How many lapses of concentration,poor finishing,lack of effort can we blame on managers back to Jose.let ten hag cook and get rid of these players
I think the solution to this man utd mess is to fire Ten Hag NOW!!! because he has lost the dressing room, rarely uses youth, a rigid coach who uses the same sytem every time despite failure & doesn't like squad rotation, then on temporary basis bring a good vibes coach to pamper these prima donnas they might finish top 6 then in summer bring a no nonsense coach like De Zerbi & carry out a PROPER CLEAR OUT. One good thing with De Zerbi is he can do wonders with youth and average players....united won't require superstar signings he will work with talents like Openda, Jonathan Davids, Ivan Toney, Vlahovic, Brahim Diaz, Dyabala 12million release clause ,Sergej Milenkovic, Ousmane Diomande, amadou onana; amadou haidara from Leipzig who happens to be a man utd fan, Johan bakayoko, zubimendi, Latin America talent, replace Rashford with mitoma, Neco Williams or Leao etc
I don’t want to see us get Tuchel, Southgate or potter.
I'd take Potter over any of the realistic options tbh, but would rather stick with the current manager
@@ste4392 I rather stick with ten hag too. There’s not many available managers out there right now.
Here, here!
@@LeeMassey87 how would you not take Tuchel over Ten Hag after what he was doing at Chelsea. Should never have gotten sacked but you’d take Tuchel’s replacement who didn’t even last one season. Fuck me how the standards have dropped.
@@MitchSanderson-340i you rather have tuchel over ten hag
no Tuchel just stick with Ten Hag give him the right support help him build an actual squad that are capable of competing at the expected level. stop setting managers up to fail then blaming them for everything. Ten Hag is solid as far as i'm concerned and deserves the full backing this summer to complete the puzzle
I know this season has been rough but I honestly feel that bringing any new manager in just puts us back to square 1 and in 2 years time we’ll start the whole thing again. Let Ten Hag have the time required to move out the deadwood and bring in a squad that functions as a team. If he’s still not good enough then at least the new manager will have a functioning squad to work with instead of the patchwork quilt of a squad we’ve seen for the last 10 years.
ten hag brought in most of the deadwood
I absolutely do not care how good a manager Tuchel is or isn't when it comes to on pitch stuff, it's been multiple clubs now IN A ROW that Tuchel has lost the dressing room and performances show it very very obviously. United dressing room is already fucked, we do not need somebody that will allow that to happen again quickly
Glaring reality check ,,he's been sacked from every top Job he's had
German Mourinho/Conte. But we don't even have a squad for a quick hit n run for a season to win a CL
@@gary321 brother, that's life as a manager. for ANY manager. Every manager will get sacked eventually. His problem is the fallouts with players and shit
Tuchel would still be at Chelsea if not for Boehley setting the club on fire. How is that his fault?
@@gary321Tuchel should never have lost his job at Chelsea. When he was there he was considered elite with Klopp and Pep. Tuchel said himself he’s under appreciated in Germany and if it wasn’t for Levekusens freak season they’d be winning the bundesliga and has got the to CL semi finals. Regardless of Tuchel getting sacked, he wins wherever he goes. Why take a punt on another up-n-coming manager like we have already on Ten Hag and actually go and get an Elite manager who’s proven in the PL. Tuchel is a no brainer.
We have to give Erik another year. Tuchel is not long-term or known for being a generator of youth. If we get five good players in the summer it will be a very different season next year. No manager would do any better at the moment. Back him and tell the players they will be forced to leave if they don't like it.
I can certainly live with that🙂
I agree with this totally. BACK THE MANAGER
Hmmm, not sure. Players are deffo to blame, but ETH is also at fault. Some of the stuff he’s said is laughable too, ie “we’re the most exciting team”… we’re really not.
You genuinely believe no manager would do better than the worst season in 35 years struggling to beat Championship teams and being knocked out of the group stage by teams with miniscule budgets?
@@bowlingazget a grip we’re building a young team. They need time to develop. We haven’t a settled back four all season. We’re going to have inconsistent performances. Paitence and double down back the manager . Changing the manger every two years is exactly why our squad is so disjointed. Plastic spoilt fans with no paitence is also a major issue. Reminds me of Arsenal fans a few years back begging for arteta to be sacked all over social media and we try and take the mick out them. Embarrassing.
Sacking the coach isn't the solution. If INEOUS sees a need to sack 10 - 12 players minimum this summer then it's not about the coach, you basically have a squad not good enough for any coach. It's that simple.
100% this
Or it could be both.
@@BenTownson-tb2nrit is both. If Ten hag can’t beat Burnley or Brentford with that squad regardless of injuries, you’re fucked.
@@BenTownson-tb2nr no it’s not. It’s the squad. Squad depth isn’t good enough. On a good day when everyone is fit, ETH played the most games of any team in europes top 5 leagues, with a very good win ratio, went to 2 finals. The coach show what he can do with a good squad at Ajax not just in the league but also champions league beating and eliminating some of the big clubs in Europe. This season injuries have messed everything up on top of terrible squad players we have. Clear the dead woods and bring in some capable players for the coach.
How come Mourinho achieved far more with less then?
Tommy Tickles isn't the one for me, I'd rather keep EtH for another year
You can walk yourself out the door when we win big stuffs under Tuchel. Probably follow ETH to the Eredevise.
@@adityamohan7366what do you think he'll win in 2 years, starting with this squad?
@@adityamohan7366 I'm United til I die mate, I ain't going anywhere. Tuchel won't work, they have to build an entire squad for him and this fanbase has no patience to wait the 2-3yrs for it to work.
Based on what. Tuchel champions league finalist and winner and last decent chelsea manager.what has ten hag really managed first year with his players and tactics and its worse than ever
hell no
Although Thomas Tuchel may be a slight upgrade on EtH I am not convinced that he will provide us with the success we crave.
I also worry about Tuchel's character, he is very aggressive and makes EtH seem like a diplomat and we would be in danger of getting another Jose and all the turmoil that brought the Club on and off the field of play.
My council to the Board would be to stick with EtH and see how he gets on with the fresh input of players.
😂
@@mm2801 insanity
@@mm2801what’s so funny
@StrikeBolteafc the last sentence of the op. It didn't make you laugh? The rest of the comment is valid though.
In hindsight however Mourinho was on to something. This squad may need a disciplinarian to weed out the shit. We're in the mire, remember that.
🎙️ Vincent Kompany defends Erik ten Hag: “I’ve witnessed some of the best playing teams I’ve ever played against as a manager and that I’ve seen in my whole career. So when his team at Ajax were playing, it was something special. It wasn’t something you could attribute to a team of that age because they were really young or the financial resources; it was incredible.
“They were up there with the best teams I’ve ever seen play. You know most of those teams in recent times have been associated with Pep [Guardiola]. Of course, there were other managers as well. He was one of them, you know for sure.”
“It’s not like we go out for coffees or anything, but I have followed his trajectory, and he’s one of those reference coaches. That’s the reality of it. It goes a little bit against the trend right now, but I’m telling the truth.”
Still remember how happy fans were with his appointment and specially after that first season and Carabao Cup and we overachieved first season syndrome
Saw this and it’s true
1:39 A little bit of a poison chalice!? STE it IS a poison chalice. If Ten Hag any hair when he joined, he'd be completely bald by now. We turned Mourinho's hair from salt and pepper to sheer white!
Mourinho said there's still 5 or 6 players here that shouldn't be. Remember when he left how much more happier he seemed? This club can kill a man. The players are overpaid and they think they can do the bare minimum. Wages need to be taken asap.
And nearly killed LVG
I'll say this about Tuchel. He is one of the few managers that can go toe to toe with Pep and looks at home on the touchline against him. He is pretty fiery as well, which I like in a manager. However, the way the club is going where its more about the club itself guiding its style of play, recruitment, etc more so than the manager I am not sure he is the best fit. I am not against bringing him in if ETH does go nor am I against ETH staying on and completing his original vision.
Won't it change to the vision ineos and co decide for the club moving forward?
@@compostsmurf5519 Ineos and Co. ARE the club...
I’m all in for Tuchel
Look at what’s happened at Chelsea since he’s left, no manager was able to get them out of a slump until about 3 weeks ago 😂🤣
Just because it’s the same club doesn’t mean anything look at the squad and compare it to the one the won the CL they can’t be considered the same team
@@kalebdemedeiros5692 of course it does. It was literally the same team. The only difference was the sanctions and the takeover.
So of course they can, they only got rid of the majority of that champions league team this season.
And the same is true for United, we have players that played for van gaal, mourinho and ole.
Whoever we go with, we need a manager who can continue to develop these up and coming U18 and continue with first team experience
@@Charlie_Nice Rasmus had zero attempted shots during the last match, when the wingers who COULD have created for him instead chose to take 6-8 shots apiece. How do you judge a striker who is never given the ball to try to do his job? I didn't dream that period of time a couple of months ago where he was scoring with 50% of the chances that were created for him.
You’ve just described Ten Hag. It would be foolish of Ineos to ditch him
@@Charlie_Nice Humiliating himself? That’s a bit harsh. No ETH has had a difficult season but there are significant mitigating circumstances. He has brilliantly integrated academy players into the first team squad. Also Hojlund will come good.
@@Charlie_NiceRasmus got 4 passes from onana lumped 60 yards up the pitch - wtf do you expect him to do with that? The wingers are selfish - Antony, Rashford and Garnacho all see Salah clocking up the goals and think that’s their job too. Pure greed and glory seeking instead of acting as a supply chain for a striker we paid 70 m for. Noticeable that Rasmus doesn’t stop running and pressing even though he must be frustrated as hell with his teammates ignoring him.
@@Charlie_Nice oh sorry I didn’t realise your opinion was a fact. Is that how it works???
I’ll give you a few facts - he’s 21, playing in a shite team with greedy wingers. He has no senior strikers to learn from and had to carry the burden of being the lone striker for every game he’s been fit for. He’s scored 13 goals in 30 games with little or no service. I don’t think that’s terrible for a young player in his first season - he isn’t the finished article but everyone with a modicum of grey matter knew that.
Also just in passing, there are two ‘r’s in terrible and two ‘o’s in Mainoo. I believe that is also factual.
This is a real outside shout, but I’d like to see Marcos Silva at United. Hasn’t won anything yet, but his teams are always solid defensively, play nice attacking football, always hard to beat. Also never seen a manager that gets more red cards, United need that passion!!
Marco Silva is a winner. He won the Segunda Liga with Estoril promoting them to the Primeira Liga, he won the Greek league title with Olympiacos and he won the Championship with Fulham promoting them to the Premier League. Plus he won a cup at Sporting Lisbon. I'm pretty sure if he gets a chance to manage a club like Liverpool, Arsenal or Man City he would win a lot. He would be a great fit for Man United.
Superior to Ten Hag in every factor of management. Years of evidence to back it up.
And evidence of loosing dressing room, and falling out with DoF
Love Steve but I'm certainly not taking skin care advice off him
"a lot of rocky shit" and "operation Fuck It" 😂😂😂😂 in ten hag we trust mate
I cracked up at that. Ste’s a wordsmith 😂
I'm still of the opinion that ETH is the right man, in exceptional circumstances, and is still the right man to get us where we want to be?
Tommy Tuchel isn't the right fella, Chelsea, Bayern, and PSG all wanted him gone within months of his signature, there has to be a reason
Stick with ETH and let him see out his contract, and look again at replacing him when his times done, and there could be more names
worth consideration for the job, in 12mts time
Change the manager, wait another two years, sack the manager, wait another three years and then another three years and another 3, 3, 3years😂 only to realize we became average and needed one coach and go through the Fire with him
My philosophy is keep sacking the manager until u find the right one and then stick with him
I agree but not with Ten hag, continuing with him would lead to same questions next season. He's part of 499.7 million spending and still cant show a decent outing after 2 years. Are we suggesting to go through another 200-300 million spend and then wait ?!?!?
We dont have quatar's unlimited funds. Ineos has already used debt to fund their partial take over. We dont have multiple season's of 200+ million spends. We need a new manager and new players. BUT ALSO SELL a bunch of these players as well.
except eth has shown he is not that good
@@chrisclassical7 he's also shown last season he is good. I understand that this season has been a shambles and if he goes the decision is understandable. But people pretend he didn't over achieve the season before
We're already average, have been since 2013/14
Why are we shifting back to a defensive style, this is as crap in jumping in the style between van gaal and mourinho. This is the major crap which we have been doing in shifting between styles and why are we doing that again.
Tuchel style is not defensive at all we’d create way more big chances for the striker under him
Tuchel, who has won a champions league and a championship in one of Europe's top five leagues, is not an upgrade on EtH who can't set a team up against Coventry.
This EtH guy has to be a wizard of some sort, because he's got the entire fanbase on some sort of spell.
This same Erik Ten Hag set up a team to defeat Barcelona thoroughly last season. Recency bias innit! Plastic
@@pt90do you not understand how that makes this season so much worse? Look at tactical analysis of last season vs this season. We had some good work on transitions last season but also good work in other phases of play. Ten Hag decided to go full steam ahead trying to force transitions this season (hence the massive gaps and teams slicing through us like butter).
But but injuries! If the players are not up to the style ETH wants to play, and key players injured, why has he continued in trying to force this style of play? The gaps in midfield are a tactical decision. The shots conceded are a tactical decision. I agree the players haven't been good enough but this man has been setting them up to fail and they've received most of the critism (some of it deserved).
The players haven't given up under him so getting rid of him won't be "letting the players win again". The board won't sack him this summer, he will have got himself sacked.
@@pt90Same ETH that as lost over 13 games in a season after 450m spent 😂
@joetommie438 same season with injuries, Sancho, rashford and Antony problems plus Greenwood. Try again
You say he can't set a team up against Coventry, but we battered them. Then the players crumbled. Do you not think this constant crumbling under pressure is a mentality issue
You know ten haag has a better resume than Klopp and Arteta after the first two seasons 😂 yet hes getting the boot for people whose resumes before Ten Haag came here arent as good. We are the new Watford
it's insane, the strangest is people suggesting Postecoglou who had a good start to the year and has fallen off worse than Ten Hag.
With Tuchel it's a bit of a worry how he gets sacked after winning Champions League with Chelsea, then getting the sack after doing well with other teams.
Loving the sculpture analogy Ste! 👌🏼
Tuchel is forcibly linked to United the same way Poch was forcibly linked to United by English media. I still remember the year we finished 3rd in league under Ole after beating Leicester on last day and secured CL football Sky sports invited Poch to Sky studio in order to force his move to United like he's the best choice because they knew Poch ain't best Choice and would F up United more. In the same way English media is again forcing Tuchel link to United because they know he's not good choice and will F us up more and they'll get more drama within 18 months.
Hiring the guy who is currently displaying the weak points that people claim your current gaffer is displaying is a weird one... But sure, lets try that.
Meanwhile, we may as well start scouting the guy to replace the replacement for ETH in 18months time when he inevitably gets sacked too
You have to stop looking back and comparing how things are to how things were with Fergie. These are far from those times, the owners don't respect managers the same way, Tuchel is a strong minded manager and I can absolutely get behind a manager that calls the board out on transfers and pushing standards and strategies over. I hope Ten Hag gets it right. We can't keep circulating managers. This new regime either gives him time or gets him out. Either way. Players must go with him. We can't hold onto players because shirt sales matter or the players had a cult goal. It makes no difference in the long run.
Why does it have to be one or other? I think a full restart is needed, both players and manager and clear the poison that’s existed and that has unfortunately infected a good coach like ETH.
The reason it's one is because you can replace a manager one in one out. You can't do that with an entire squad in one summer
@@sconaldo7I get that completely. There is no quick fix, whatever decision we make will require a couple of summers or more. So why not start afresh anyways?
@@noahsimao2671 because it's been 10 years of sacking th manager when are we going to start giving one time? If your ten hag out then I understand why you'd want that but from a logical point of view it makes no sense
I think it's been a learnimg curve for ETH . The Prem is clearly a tough league and teams with the highest fitness levels and high levels of talent and commitment fare the best.
united only have odd sprinkles of this ETH clearly made mistakes how he set up against certain teams but seems to be understanding this . What he cannot do anything about is the level of fitness as we have seen the list of injuries, the push back from players on the intensity of training. We have had our fare share of player scandals to deal with.
I really think ETH deserves another season and some fresh legs and to chop out the dead wood . And build on those players that seem to want and have the desire to be at United.
I enjoy your videos. You have a tremendous grasp of the challenges facing Manchester United, and as such, I suggest you apply for role of Manager.
Ste would going from Tuchel in 2 years time to a likely available Naigelsman an easier transition than we have seen with our previous managers
On what planet can you say Nagelsman is likely available in 2 years?
Either he has a WC to prepape for or hes failed? Why would we go near him.
@@EKensai we could speak to him before the World Cup, but not announce it, but yeh I agree it's unlikely
Good listening 👍🏻⚽️
I'd take Tuchel yesterday. A proper successful manager who isn't afraid to tell it how it is and doesn't suffer fools. He is tactically aware to a level ETH could only dream of. He is aggressive but the people he has fallen out with at various clubs are because the higher ups haven't delivered what he was promised. Leave him to it and give him what he wants and he succeeds.
We've already had a manager you described. He's name is Jose Mourinho. And he failed here, as all the others after SAF.
Ten Hag is far better than him tactically. Manager's like LVG, Jose got found out at United. No manager can revive a dead team. And United has been graveyard for many managers.
I'd take him...
We're in an actual transition at the moment, not just using it as an excuse for being shite like we have done for the last 8 years, so why not get a guy who we know will only stick about for 2/3 years max whilst we get ready for the 'right guy'. I personally think EtH might be the right guy, but at totally the wrong time and another season like this his position will be totally untenable.
Use the time under Tuchel to get our house in order with a guy that no one in the media will question as he's done it before, figure out where the club wants to be in 5 years and build towards it whilst he's there, ready for the next guy to come in and instead of him needing to build a project, the project will be nearly done, he'll be the final piece in the jigsaw.
Id feel shit because yes he has won things but is he what we need right now the best thing we could do is stick with erik give him next season and hope it comes good without so many injuries ruining our season
what Howson is talkin about 11:35 is the one reason i want to keep ETH we need to give managers chances to build what they want not just give them 2 seasons and than kick them sibce they havent done what we wanted. Managers need time to build what they want. Its up the owners or whoever picks the managers to find the right one.
But ETH had what he wanted. He wanted to keep the dross when he arrived and ignore Ragnicks advice. He said he was happy with the signings we made in the summer and our squad. Now he's lowered the standards to challenge for top 4 on his 3rd and final season of his contract.
@@tris421 He didn't get what he wanted - he got 2nd & 3rd choice options (as per usual). The main thing I fault him for is choosing Antony over Kudus
he dident get all the signings he wanted, and he cant just randomly sell alot of people. Like Ragnick said more than 10 people needs to be sold is a huge part of the squad and u have to get in new players for them u sell. You cant do that over 1 or 2 years u need alot more time. And if u wanted to sell 10 players at once we are United we dont get paid when we sell players so we wouldent get the money to buy what we would want, pluss we are struggling when it comes to the FFP rules. And do u realy think what ETH says in intervjus are the truth all the times. I dont know about u but if u where an player coming to a new club and the manager says to the media that he dident want you. Would u be happy ?
@@Cold_Logic he chose to keep Maguire as captain. He chose to sign Mount. To promote Rashford after Ralf would have sold him. etc
@@tris421 For the last decade Utd have signed players in low priority positions - Mount was yet another example.
This season we've seen that Maguire has a very strong mentality to recover from all the abuse & ridicule aimed at him, while all you see from Bruno is petulance. In my opinion Martinez is the true on-field general (signed by ETH), but being captain extends far beyond the pitch (time-keeping, discipline, organisation, ambassadorial abilities etc).
As for Rashford, Ralf could NEVER walk in the door & convince the Glazers to sell their talisman. Also, there needs to be a buyer in order to sell...fans seem to think selling players is as simple as wanting them sold 🙄.
Ten Hag has managed CR7's decline & rightful departure, Sancho's insubordination, Greenwood's off-field issues, record numbers of injuries, even the fact that he can't play Amad as much as he wants because the club bungled his transfer structure - all while working under numpties like Woodward & Murtough.
Finishing above Newcastle & Chelsea this season would be overachievement for a team full of mid-table talent like Utd. The transfer fees & wages are irrelevant as they aren't negotiated by the manager
Your sculpture analogy is all wrong. The correct analogy using scuptures and a modern football structure, like the one INEOS are trying to build, would be. The club are the sculpture and the people above the manager are responsible for its style. They provide the blueprints, buy the tools and appoint sculptors who are capable of working with them. That way, if one sculptor isn't working out, they can hire another to take over, without having to buy all new tools or a whole new chunk of stone!
Sculptors are artists with their own creative flair. I think what you are explaining is some kind of pre-programmed machine cutting the stone to pre-determined cuts. But I think the analogy does work if we are a couple of years into the INEOS project; they could SNAFU this for MANU too..?
I told you guys Ole was the one
strict with his way..look at his fallout with kimmich and the likes.. hes not great with dof and big players..psg / bayern ,
He can be successful with the right type of cb/wing back and cm.. look at his good team at mainz..and his first 2 season at chelsea..
Will we provide that? Not at all..hes doom to fail with our current ffp issues 😊
United being a poison chalice is the understatement of the decade our kid 😂♥️
He's an other defensive manager. No, if we can't win at least entertain us!
100% agreed with everything you said.
Bayern have more pints at this stage than they had last year. Must be doing something right!
I was expecting this to be a bit more tactical? Does our squad suit him at all?
Very sad how board clashes, where none of them have been his fault, have warped an image into seeing Tuchel as a toxic character who is almost Mourinho like. Every club he’s been at he’s brought success despite those outside factors, and if INEOS are the real deal and provide him a structure where he is allowed to just be a coach (something he’s been on record to desire to be and not be involved in transfer activity) then he’s perfect. A clear upgrade on Ten Hag as a manager in all aspects.
Ste, Where'd you get your hat from?
I'd go for emery. Or amorim don't know alot about amorim. But I know he plays exciting football and Liverpool fans were excited about him. But concern is there steered away and West ham didn't go well. Emery would be my preference
Causes more problems than he fixes. If he comes in we’ll be back to square 1 and another sacking in 2 years time (AGAIN)
What really concerns me is that if you change manager and the manager wants to see what the team is before he agrees on selling players, some of these windbags are going to end up staying, again. Players that cost a manager their job and are still around to cost the next manager their job.
Keep Ten Hag, let this ownership get rid of the players he wants to get rid of, and sign players that suit his system, and see what his system looks like when he's playing with a full deck. And if he's still not cutting it, at least you have a squad now that fits something resembling a cohesive system. Whatever manager you get, we're ripping this squad apart and rebuilding it in the summer, we have to.
He is £400m deep and struggling to beat championship teams, with a 3 goal start.
Sheessh! Have some standards.
@@slayerrocks2 That's on the players who fold under a little bit of pressure 🙃
@@GenophageUltimate players like casemiro, Mount, Antony, Onana and Eriksen are ten hag players so that's on him for getting players that bottle it
I think what we need at United is a tactically astute and competent manager who can deal with the intense pressure and scrutiny that comes with the role. If Tuchel has cracked at smaller clubs, he definitely won’t cope here, he’d lose it within months I can see it. 3 years ago maybe, but now, no.
I don’t get this matter of factory that ETH wouldn’t be inclined to change the shape or style next season. The conversation Ineos have to have first is with ETH because injuries and conditions in the club are factors.
I think that the previous managers have been affected by the disfunction at the club. We seem to be fixing that disfunction, but perhaps it is too late for ETH to adapt. He was given too much decision making over signings and most have been a failure. I think we should change manager as part of the new system. I wanted ETH to be a success but this season has been painful and I don't know if he will be able to (1) adapt to the new system or (2) be able to mentally recover from this season. Of all the available, Tuchel seems the best option.
Tuchel’s history speaks on where this club will another 2 year … looking for another manager . I don’t think we fire Ten Hag , as I’m sure many supporters have said it takes to build up a winning club and changing out managers every couple years is not how that happens .
Would it be an alright strategy to get Tuchel for the new manager boost to see us over the next year sorting the shite behind the scenes?
There are circumstances when the short term solution is the best move
Marco Silva, Kieran McKenna and Ruben Amorim should get interviewed for the Man United job because they are winners and young. However, Thomas Tuchel might be the most prepared for the job considering he has been in similar environments to Man United
Can't believe we're even talking about this when the problem is clearly the PLAYERS
If you look at the manager market that is or could be made available than if your looking for best in class he be the one to go for .
I just still have my doubts Of him and the very fact Wilcox or Ashworth if they do in fact have a major say in the next manager I still think Potter is more likelier unfortunately
Surely anyone can see that probably even sir alex couldnt get a tune out of this shambles bunch of players. Give him time for crying out loud!!!!! Every manager who is successful needs 3 or 4 years. Patience!!!!
I think Tuchel would be an immediate improvement on the current way we are playing, but yeah within 2-3 years Tuchel would inevitably fall out with players and the hierarchy, team performance drops off, and he's sacked.
He's a good manager, but NOT who you pick if you're hoping for a long-term project.
My 85 year old neighbour is a devout Chelsea fan. Throughout Tuchel's reign at the club, he genuinely thought the manager's name was "Tommy Tuckle". After his sacking my neighbour said "so Tommy's gone, lad, maybe we'll get that Charlie Achovy back in."
Class
Changing the manager is a reset for all the players and most of what we have seen this season will still be playing for the club next season... an you can bet sancho will be coming back.
Then in a years time will still be saying maguire mctominey rashford need to go and repeat the cycle
Which United player would play in Manchester City starting 11? There is your real problem....
Would ten hag be hired for city ? there in also lies a problem.
We need a new coach who can uplift a few good players, fire the rest and hire a few new players and create a team as a whole which is greater than the sum of its parts. We've not seen this from Ten hag.
He cant get a good game out of Anthony who he brought in for 80 mil+ and you want to hand the guy another season with 300 mil+ ?
all united have right now is names and hype. better question is which united players gets into bournmouth.
What do you think of this new spending cap, and will it inhibit United's ability to rebuild the squad?
It seems inevitable that Ten Hag will be removed from the role and that the next manager will be a disaster.
The only thing that I look forward to with United is that I'm confident that the new owners are putting the right changes in the pipeline to improve the stadium and other support structures around the various aspects of the club. The young players and youth teams also give a lot of promise. Its going to be a rough couple of years minimum though.
A part of me thinks that the club should essentially write off any idea of competing for trophies for a couple of years. Cull the expensive luxuries, bring through a new team that of young and hungry players. Profit off the pitch and think long term on the pitch.
The very fact that there is no clear cut replacement for ten hag, alone, tells me it would be premature to sack the manager.
We really shouldn't be afraid of disturbing the dressing room or worried about a manager losing the dressing room. Different eras of course but Fergie got rid of the dressing room before he could lose it.
Remember who he let go early on because he didn't like the culture?
Remember who he sacrificed to bring through the class of `92?
Remember how he got rid of Keane, Beckham, Stam etc. ?
As soon as we started worrying what will happen if we lose a certain player things really nose dived, maybe we should ask what happens when we keep these players
If (huge if) we do part ways with EtH, I'm fine with Tuchel. SJR has said it might take up to 18 months to fully establish the backroom, so give Tuchel a 2 year contract, drag ourselves through the 2 years and bring in the long term guy then, with the right team in place.
TT seems to have trouble with the boards he works under. Bayern have done similar to last year, its just Neverloosing have smashed it out the park which has made it look like TT has done worse than expected with that team. He did sign Dier though... lol
Now I've actually watched the video; nice sculpture analogy. We have been woeful this season, the defensive issues are clearly more personel than tactical. My head says back ETH but my heart does think our youth defense should be able to put a shift in against the likes of Luton and Burnley.
it will be start from beginning again i think is time to sort that squad and few names out of this team once for all ETH is right man to do but that still may take season or two and we all running out of patience
With the current squad we have tuchel loses the dressing room in 6 months they simply cannot as a team play style of football he coaches. But If atleast 10 players leave and we get in some players who can play a high possession style of football he may do well. The key is the players that go more than who is the manager imo.
Keep Ten Hag. Despite his bemusing tactics this season there are significant mitigating circumstances. Hiring another manager is essentially ripping up and starting all over again, and there are no guarantees the next one will be a success. United actually need a drastic squad overhaul, and with a proper director of football on board we could see Ten Hag fully implement his vision. Also he has proven to be exceptionally good at integrating academy players into the first team squad. Regardless of what happens the rest of this season, (and let’s be real there will be no FA cup win) Ten Hag will be here next season, take that to the bank
The only certain thing we know about Tuchel is he’s proved Divisive everywhere he’s been,that’s the polar opposite of what we need.
The reason I would want him is for the same reason I wanted Ole, You hear how they speak about the club and they just get it. They talk like fans before they talk like managers.
I do not mind who the new manager is as long he has an attacking style of football as his philosophy . He also needs to be flexible and be able to realize when things or players in certain positions are not working , Be flexible and be able to adapt . This is were ETH fails badly in my opinion he is ultra stubborn and set in his ways and refuses to adapt just to prove he is right
Tuchel would be perfect. Can play pretty much any formation, great man management, great player development, and big personality.
I think Ten Hag is a problem. Look at Ange at Spurs. From the first game almost, there have been a clear style of play. EtH has had 2 seasons for that, and there haven't been a single game of EtH showcasing his tactical visions. And the fact that EtH is out saying that United play the most "entertaining and dynamic" football in the league is absolutely concerning.
Personally I wouldn’t want him, I want us to play attacking, attractive possession football, something that will make us enjoy watching United again, Tuchel isn’t going to do that
This is dangerous, again we sack a manager at the start of the 3rd season with these same players. If tuchel comes in then too many of them players get a 4th and 5th chance. Tuchel is a brilliant manager but itll be the same in 2 years when these same playere inevitably down tools again. Like they done with jose, ole, ragnick and now ETH
Out of all the mangers available tuchel is the first choice
He is a fraud and it would be just another disaster
Tuchel has character that motivates both players and fans so It's not a bad idea for him to be our manager
There are players who have repeatedly failed managers. Until they're gone, the manager is not to blame.
Why get another manager, have you not seen what's been happening last 10 years? endless cycle. all we need is complete new defence and goal keeper not a manager!
i think for tuchel to work a utd and if we are considering buying him , ashworth's opinion must really really matter and their relation ship must be really really good. as good as edu and arteta , txiki and pep. because tactically i think he is a major upgrade but the relation sheep between him and the sporting director must need to be amazing or he will leave in 2 to 3 years . he needs a sporting director that sees him as an equal instead of playing power struggles . so ashworths input must be needed or else 2 or 3 years later he will go
Replacing Ten Hag now isn't a case of choosing a successor, it's about bringing in competency as a hiatus from incompetence and failure. If Ten Hag has not shown incompetence and failure in his tactical decisions this season, then I'm not sure I know what incompetence and failure looks like..! We need a bridge manager to restore standards for the period until we can find a real, strong, and genuine top premiership manager that is right for Man Utd. Thomas Tuchel is at least competent, he's managed big clubs, and knows how to keep a team at the right end of the table... Get him right away at the end of the German season!
Tuchel is good but might not blend well in MU culture and hierarchy. Better to let Ten Hag continue with a 65% player refresh to suit his vision. Then have very good backups for injuries. Keep Bruno, Garnacho, Hojlund, Licha, Onana , Mainoo, Dalot, Shaw?
About ten Hag being in Ajax sights that isnt true. Graham Potter is their number one target at the moment.
I think Tuchel is very much in line with what we have been doing since Moyes didn't work, really hope we don't go down this road again.
Every single reason that tuchel was sacked for in the past will be present at United next season. He simply doesn't fit United.
I don't want a new manaher discussion at all. It should be pretty clear by now that the 90% of the problems lies elsewhere. The club and the players are mostly responsible. Manager can take the remaining 10% blame in my opinion. We are repeating the same cycle with this.
I’ll get a head start on everyone else.
Tuchel out !
I'd not be surprised if we see ole back in the mix at some stage
Lets try this experiment and revert in 2 years. Seen this movie before. I know how it ends
Mourinho is looking like the best option if the Owners have made their mind up about Ten Hag out
Less bad than the other names mentioned but not close to what we were looking for when ETH came in - culture, style of play, youngsters etc for the longer term. We'd be going for ETH were he still at Ajax.
United has always been a youth club. We found glory with our academy graduates. For it's always our guys first. It's the united way
This is short termism at its finest. Grasping at any straw for a quick fix
Maybe short termism right now isn’t the worst thing. I’d say let the changes upstairs take place and wait for people to come in from their gardening leave. And then give em some time to bed in and get everything running as a well oiled machine before going for that long term manager. Because if that long term guy comes in this summer and start at the same time as, or even before the CEO, DOF etc. I don’t think they stand a chance.
Hold off another year. Let the back room staff bed in and then look at where we’re at.
@@IR._ so we pay off 1 manager bring in another who doesn’t understand anything and has proven he’s a short term maybe do things maybe not because nothing he’s shown has made me go wow he’s good, and then we pay him off to get another in after he ultimately doest finish his contract either. Fans like you are the absolute worst
@@lloydgiles4816 I didn’t say Tuchel was the answer. I don’t think he is. I think we should treat Ten Hag as a bit of a caretaker manager, have him at the helm for next season and reassess this time next year. Probably bring in a proper manager then, not Tuchel. We bring in a top manager now, they’ll fail just like all the other managers we’ve had post fergie because the structure isn’t in place yet and it’ll just set back the whole process
@@IR._ that short termism, we have to allow a manager to build. We’re not a winning team anymore and just plugging gaps with managers hoping they fit the squad is messy. If we don’t see a future with ETH we cut ties but if we do we back him and a bigger longer term project. Our squad has been awful this season and individuals have bailed us out. Not sure with exception of some question sub choices and not trying to dig his players out in the media which is ironic really given the Sancho thing what was he supposed to do this year
I’d like Thiago Motta, seen some news he’s going to Juve Fabrizio hasn’t confirmed don’t think Ineos will bring in a “tainted” managers whose stock has fallen.
My 3 choices would be carlo ancelotti unai emery and thomas tuchel I wouldn’t mind seeing Jose mourinho have another go but with proper backing from the owners and time
Love Ten Hag but think he's gone in the summer. I'd go for Luis Enrique or Tuchel because both are elite coaches , win trophies , improve players & have managed big clubs.