Funnily enough. I'm pretty sure everyone can see a situation where Ame and Moomers decimate everyone else by sheer cleverness and protagonist aura and sheer unseen horror respectively.
@@Boyzby …wait a minute list of things Ame has done: Survived multiple incidents of near death since childhood Is a detectIve Owns a tech industry that builds things from cars to vending machines. Stands equal to beings of supernatural abilities and offers amazing support Tech savvy Able to create and build things out of sheer will and relentless tenacity- holy shit she really is Batman.
@@MrAnarchyMarine and with Mumei's notes on the weaknesses of all other council members, chaotic and twisted nature, meta capabilities, and the forbidden/sealed trump card powers of Friend, they would be unstoppable. Also, civilization is amazing at destroying the environment, so I have no idea how Fauna is above Moom in the first place.
I think people are forgetting IRyS' power isn't just hope, it's also despair. Because you can't have one without the other. She is both halves of the equation, reflective of her being half demon, half angel.
Well I’d guess Fauna either forgot IRyS was once called the “slayer of council” due to the among us collab or its her way of getting back at her because of that Also typical waifu situation of dragging Bae so that both can be together IRyS
I might be biased but time and space can be damaged by chaos, she's the leader too... at least in paper. Hope would be the cheat character, the equivalent of nakama power in Naruto, so long as you have hope you're invincible kind of thing. "Mumei has a knife" how come that sounds scarier than any other thing?
@@stevenphoenix389 well she does have like centuries of practice. Imagine being the guardian of civilization and how much muscle memory must be engraved into her at this point
Technically, lore-wise, while bae is supposed to be the ruler of chaos and leader of the coincil, she is also the youngest to be given a vessel (even if theorically she came to be before even sana) and so her role is mostly ceremonial, and she is more being guided than guidding... Then again lote-wise Time has subjugated Civilization under her tyrannical reach, while on stream mumei is kronii's scary, emotionally abusive, gaslighting girfriend ,so you know, the myth and the fact may not always align.
Bae is world-level chaos according to her bio, same with Fauna, they aren't really up there with Space and TIme.... unless "HoloEn" cosmology is akin to bronze age beliefs where this single planet is the entire universe.
Do you think the biggest reason IRyS couldn't accept Fauna's tier list is because she's separated from Bae? I think she would accept being at the bottom if Bae was alongside her lol
both in the sense of lovers and rivals. She doesn't want to be separated from Bae, but on the other hand, she doesn't want Bae to be any higher than her.
Bae and IRyS should be at the top since they can exist outside of space and time since they already existed before the universe was created in their lore.
Every HoloEN fanartist = - make Gura either in Red form (Gawr) or base form as the Rival of Baelz - make Amelia Watson as the Protagonist of HoloEN as a whole. - make Calli looks more stronger and menacing than Fauna - make IRyS the only one who can oppose Omegaα. At this point, Power Scalling in Hololive English is not exist.
@@bananabunch4590 Lore-wise, Ina IS an altered human, her being a priestess of an eldritch resulted in her gaining the flaps, squishy hair and pointy ears.
I mean if anything Calli is the strongest as a representative of death, then we have the representatives of space=time=chaos=hope, after that I'd say civilization=nature, then after that the mythological monsters shork=chicken, Ame and Ina are wildcards, Ame because she has some amount of control over time but she's also just human, and Ina because she has literal eldrich horror gods as her patrons, depending on how closely linked they are she could be just below Calli or basically human with tentacles and some magic.
While I agree with some points like how not everyone has hope in ther hearts, it technically is why IRyS would exist as a bringer of hope, and her nephelim powers does not seem to be linked directly to her title so I firmly desagree with IWyS being at the bottom. I would place her middle-high on the tierlist just because unlike council she's not really dependant on a concept to exist and because her powers as a cross-breed of angel and demon would make her busted as fuck, being one of the strongest on the MythRyS but far from it on CouncilRyS.
Hope and despair can only exist with sufficiently civilized sentient beings. In other words, she is at least as strong as mumei, if not more. Hope can be infinitely strong (there is no limit to how much hope a being can have) or it can be powerless all the same. So, she should pretty much range from bottom to top.
Hope is s tier because if you take away hope you are taking away the motivation to anything it would be like they have the power but they wouldn't be doing anything with it just chilling
If we are going by 40k lore, then Bae is the strongest, since the chaos gods can warp reality (space) and time as well as corrupt nature and civilisations.
I don't think so Sana is the space, so I think it would make sense that she has the power to manipulate space however she wants, I think her power could be much more disastrous, could create distortions in space, or change gravitational laws, maybe manipulate atoms and molecules, if you think about it, it's likely that without space time wouldn't even exist, so it's likely that sana wouldn't even be affected by kronii and maybe kronii woldn't be affected by sana, because is spacetime they go hand in hand And i agree that bae could go quite high, but ina is more like a person with magical powers, I would not know how powerful she could be to be at the top
Fauna trolling because many a horror in this existence has hope (seducer of chaos) as their oshi, plus anyone who can instill the fear of GWAK into our resident glass-canon-kronii holds at least some power of note.
Honestly, considering how Sana was more related to Planets, Cosmos and that stuff rather than the actual concept of Space (Dimensions and that stuff), I would say that Calli's stronger than her, as even stars have to die eventually.
Stars are not alive an therefore cannot die. Mori was also only responsible for reaping souls on Earth, as far as we know. Sana on the other hand is the speaker of space and similiar to Kronii has a great deal of control over it, can communicate with the universe itself that grants her requests, has a pet god who can destroy galaxies and grant her wishes and has even become an apostle of the ancient ones, not to mention that she's bigger than our sun and can travel around the universe far faster than the speed of light. ""Space" refers not only to this universe we live in, but all dimensions and matter to exist. It is a concept unbridled by definition, and one that continues to grow in scope limitlessly." I think it's fair to put Mori near Fauna but Sana definitely seems way more impressive to me.
IMHO Tier list wise using official lore it goes 1.Bae(not a concept! She literally chaos. Appointed by the Gods to lead the council) 2.Sana(the canvas for everything existing /limitless) 3.Kronii(actually got a power boost from humans applying time to everything. Lore makes it sound like she was a small fry until humans) 4.Fauna (embodiment of Nature except humans) 5.Mumei (civilization is da baby also enslaved to Kronii) Myth is weird because their lore is SUPER simplified. Also Guras lore video semi contradictory to her previous lore. Kiara being a part time warrior isn’t even mentioned and Ames time stuff is nonexistent. Their extended lore is waaaaay cooler than “lol I became an idol cause bored” Edit: forgot Irys! She’s even with Mumei I believe. Official lore says she’s existing because there’s too much despair in the world aka earth.
I would honestly put Mumei above Fauna. Civilization seems to do a pretty good job at killing nature. Also if Kronii gets stronger from humans, does that make Bae weaker since humans naturally use patterns, measurement, and law in civilization, reducing overall chaos?
Ina is human, but I guess being the priestess of the Ancient One would give her some sort of power because of the contract. Like how the tentacles are basically something she could conjure, and while Alternative is basically something with the concept of "different world", her abilities still seem to fit her original lore.
Cope hope😂 ame could time stop, and use her gun at point blank, or alter time to where a person doesn’t even come into existence; only time, and space would be able to be uneffected.
Lore wise yes and it’s not even close besides maybe the weakest EN members vs strongest ID or JP girls in lore. I mean EN are all either magical beings or gods so it’s kinda hard to beat a branch where every person is a high tier in lore
Bae is the strongest Hololive member (including JP, ID and STARS) followed by Sana and Kronii. She is the end of the universe, a slow and cold death of everything.
I felt like Fauna was off. Bae would be at the top as Chaos defines a period before and after the universe and is ever present throughout creation. Chaos onto itself by nature would disorder time and dishevel space. It is endless random creation, change, and destruction. But its lack of focus would prevent it from gaining any meaningful stewardship. Just below her is Sana and Kronii, who's powers would in a way be codependent, time and space. Below them would be Fauna and Mumie, who's powers would be in opposition with a potential for collaboration but it is a proven fact Civilization destroys nature and nature reclaims all that civilization makes. Irys would be just slightly weaker than the council as they were created by gods to serve a divine purpose, Nephilim are hybrid creature born of reproduction. I could see her powers granting her honorary status among the Council but the nature of hope and despair is an ebb and flow and thus her true strength would be difficult to unleash. From there you got Ina, Kiwawa, and Calli. These three are immortal, Ina is a priestess of the Eldritch but this does not mean she is as powerful as the Eldritch beings she serves and thus should not be ranked among gods. Kirara is an immortal fire bird, more powerful than a human and Calli as a Shinigami is more an agent of death rather than death itself. Below them would be Gura and Ame. Gura is more powerful than a human, I assume, since living under the water require a stronger body. Ame has the time watch but unless she one day summons "God Ame", all of her forms are essentially within certain limitations of Ame herself.
Gura is at least a demi god, since she's directly related to Neptune and Poseidon, she can also use magic as seen in her latest animation. ruclips.net/video/kJGsWORSg-4/видео.html Also IRyS should definitely be in the same tier as Bae, since she also predates the universe, other than that I do agree with most of what you wrote.
My headcanon tho, IRyS is just below Kronii and Sana, probably on the same level as Bae. She's a nephilim who survived the end of eden, before the beginning of the world even. So she must be strong.
i think if anything goomba would be the weakest in the power rankings since ame became a time traveler all of a sudden according to lore and moomster is basically immortal unless civilization is eliminated but shork is a shork. but ppl can argue that goomba lasted longer than civilization so idk
People always describe Council as Gods as if they are omnipotent embodiments of said aspect, but I'm not so sure. ESPECIALLY with Japanese culture often having gods that are far less omnipotent then the traditional judeo-christian variety. I see council more as caretakers to their particular aspect, similar to the Kais from DBZ. The watch over and maintain that force but aren't the omnipotent embodiment of them. avatars of time, space etc. How else do you explain Amelia, a normal human being, stealing Kronii's time watch and Kronii being relatively powerless to get it back? a capital G God of time could just click their fingers and Amelia's crime never happened. heck, Amelia never happened. But she got away with it, implying they aren't quite all-powerful, but 'merely' demi-godlike avatars meant to control and maintain the order of the universe. this also explains Bae, avatar of chaos, as the leader. because she controls and watches over the chaos of the universe, guiding the other aspects to do their job.
Kiara and Calli should cancel each other out. One is the harbinger of death while the other is the keeper of life. Balancing the cycle of beings in the universe.
Well Kiara isn’t really a keeper of life in lore kinda feel like Fauna is more of that since nature but yeah Kiara not being able to die is a hard counter to Mori’s ability lol
@@niconojuegos Well it's just my head canon. I mean lore-wise if you think about it it makes sense. Kiara and Calli have this couple dynamic since one entity cannot be without the other. I see it as Fauna, the nurturer of life while Kiara is the keeper of it. The same concept goes with Kronii and Ame. Since their lore really isn't fully established you may as well have fun with it.
Ame would definitely be above the whole tier list. She may be human, but that's exactly what makes her stronger than everyone else. You think being human stopped Simon from punching universes with *other* universes? Please.
i feel like if you destroy ina's book she's nothing especially since kiara can come back over and over even with the book and calli killing her, and calli honestly would be up their with sana and kronii cuz death is the end all be all, its always a "matter of time" before death comes for you but knowing how chunni calli and kiara are they'll bs their way to being top lmao
Calli (and Mumei) is dependent of the existence of humans while any lifeform is enough for Fauna, she is older than Calli and would live beyond humanity's extinction
@@s2-railgun718 i did but if you think about it more ina is strong but its cuz of the book from her lore, you have to think what gives her the power similar to superman with the sun and batman with his IQ
@@JarbasCoqueiro very true but you can also say erasing some ones existence is also the same as death, a void, which calli has said before she's from lol and for some reason said she has no womb cuz she's from the void.....don't ask...
For me Bae would be the strongest actually When I see them I remember of the theory of the big bang: The big bang exploded Then time was created Then space Then nature Then civilization And since Bae is chaos she could be the big bang
Seems like another of Fauna’s bad takes lists. I think the only ones she probably got correct were Kronii and Sana: 1. Kronii and Sana - time and space. 2. IRyS - if she were merely a nephalem she’d be below Bae, but as the personification of Hope, she would be above Chaos. 3. Bae 4. Calli 5. Fauna 6. Mumei 7. Ina 8. Kiara 9. Ame 10. Gura - Yes, Ame is just a human, but Gura is either a shark that can’t swim or a little girl.
Bae should be above Kronii and Sana, she can freeze the space-time and kill universe Fauna doesn't have many attack points but she pretty hard to get rid of, she will keep living till all form of life cease to exist Calli, Mumei and IRyS can't exist without humans
I think that Irys' power levels would fluctuate, since if there is no hope, she can't really exist. Similar to Rise of the Guardians where their powers are directly correlated to the number of kids that believe in them. Also, another reason why Ame could be stronger than Gura is that she can time travel.
Kinda feel like Kiara being immortal has to factor her being higher up the list since we know Calli can’t kill her and I don’t think Fauna, Irys, or Mumei can either (and I mean permanently because yes she can die but infinite revive is crazy). Is Mumei even that strong either like I know she’s got a knife but what powers does she actually have besides I guess whatever strength being a god level owl gives ya
@@niconojuegos The reason I have Kiara lower is if she is true to the mythological Phoenix, and not the Marvel superhero, her power is basically being reborn from her own ashes. She can’t be permanently killed, but the extent of the damage she can do is with her sword.
@@JarbasCoqueiro Bae isn’t the capital-C Chaos that existed before everything. If she was, I’d agree with you. She’s the “concept of Chaos, birthed by the world, itself” according to her Hololive bio. If she was birthed by the world, she wasn’t there before everything, and falls into the “can’t exist without humans” camp. I put her as high as she is because chaos can lead to death and destruction. While Calli isn’t Death themself, she works for them, and death will come for all living things, not just humans. In terms of power level, Calli, Fauna, and Mumei can’t really harm each other, but Calli is capable of killing everything Fauna and Mumei creates, just as Fauna can destroy everything Mumei is in charge of (and left unchecked, civilization can kill nature). That’s why I grouped them in that order in the middle.
IRyS: Hope has descended and is-
Fauna: And is going to the bottom of the tier-list, lol. :D
Unfortunately, Hope has descended to the bottom of Fauna’s tier list.
Destruction 100
Damnit i shouldn't laugh at this
Now people look at me weird for suddenly laughing out of no where
Irys looks like an African Warlord leading their child army with that hat and gun
Hey hey people. Irys here.
what a comment lol
Fight for the MPLA
KonyRyS 2012
@@ultimatepredatorx2937 Mbeke been real quiet nowadays lmao
"ame would be at the bottom"
meanwhile ame and her multi dimesional counterparts : "I HAVE PULLED THE FIRST NAPKIN !! IM DESTINIED FOR GREATNESS !!'
Funny Ame Watson
Ame Valentine
Funnily enough. I'm pretty sure everyone can see a situation where Ame and Moomers decimate everyone else by sheer cleverness and protagonist aura and sheer unseen horror respectively.
So you're saying Ame is Batman.
@@Boyzby
…wait a minute
list of things Ame has done:
Survived multiple incidents of near death since childhood
Is a detectIve
Owns a tech industry that builds things from cars to vending machines.
Stands equal to beings of supernatural abilities and offers amazing support
Tech savvy
Able to create and build things out of sheer will and relentless tenacity- holy shit she really is Batman.
Time traveling Batman.
@@MrAnarchyMarine and with Mumei's notes on the weaknesses of all other council members, chaotic and twisted nature, meta capabilities, and the forbidden/sealed trump card powers of Friend, they would be unstoppable.
Also, civilization is amazing at destroying the environment, so I have no idea how Fauna is above Moom in the first place.
@@1tylerq127 if she’s survived several mass extinctions, she’ll pull through this one all the same
I think people are forgetting IRyS' power isn't just hope, it's also despair. Because you can't have one without the other. She is both halves of the equation, reflective of her being half demon, half angel.
the speed with which she just dismissed the idea that Ina is human is so funny to me lmao
Ina's comfy levels has surpassed that of any other human being.
Ina insists that she is human, but those are Not human ears
Not according to the Gura video!
IRyS was so strong she influenced Gura to be a Vtuber before she even debuted!
SUCH IS THE POWER OF HOPE!
On one hand yeah technically that is what the gura video said.
On another hand in lore most members exist before they join hololive.
Well I’d guess Fauna either forgot IRyS was once called the “slayer of council” due to the among us collab or its her way of getting back at her because of that
Also typical waifu situation of dragging Bae so that both can be together IRyS
PTSD can make you not want to remember bad things that happened.
Irys: I look strong don’t I?
Holds gun
Bae's power is a reflection of the universe's march towards entropy.
I might be biased but time and space can be damaged by chaos, she's the leader too... at least in paper.
Hope would be the cheat character, the equivalent of nakama power in Naruto, so long as you have hope you're invincible kind of thing.
"Mumei has a knife" how come that sounds scarier than any other thing?
I just saw that vine with the kid running with a knife in my head but the kid is Mumei, and I can't stop chuckling to myself
Mumei should be higher thou. I mean she have a knife bro. Who can beat mumei with knife?!
@@stevenphoenix389 well she does have like centuries of practice. Imagine being the guardian of civilization and how much muscle memory must be engraved into her at this point
Technically, lore-wise, while bae is supposed to be the ruler of chaos and leader of the coincil, she is also the youngest to be given a vessel (even if theorically she came to be before even sana) and so her role is mostly ceremonial, and she is more being guided than guidding... Then again lote-wise Time has subjugated Civilization under her tyrannical reach, while on stream mumei is kronii's scary, emotionally abusive, gaslighting girfriend ,so you know, the myth and the fact may not always align.
Bae is world-level chaos according to her bio, same with Fauna, they aren't really up there with Space and TIme.... unless "HoloEn" cosmology is akin to bronze age beliefs where this single planet is the entire universe.
Irys: "I don't like the fact that Bae is pretty high up there"
Bae: "What can I say, I was always the top and you're the bottom"
Fauna's holo EN power ranking tier list is one of the greatest jokes I've herd all year. Specifically because Fauna made it.
Hope descended right into the bottom of the tier list while chaos rains high
"I look pretty strong don't I?"
Everyone command respect with a gun
If Myth vs. Ina taught me anything, don't underestimate Ame.
Do you think the biggest reason IRyS couldn't accept Fauna's tier list is because she's separated from Bae?
I think she would accept being at the bottom if Bae was alongside her lol
both in the sense of lovers and rivals. She doesn't want to be separated from Bae, but on the other hand, she doesn't want Bae to be any higher than her.
Fauna's list is missing "Smol Ame". That little critter should be way up there in God tier, or SSS-rank.
IRyS also has a fancy hat and a FREAKIN GUN, She'll make a Jill sandwich out of everybody
This must be payback for Irys calling her a twig. XP
Bae and IRyS should be at the top since they can exist outside of space and time since they already existed before the universe was created in their lore.
Ina is like a Jinchuuriki. but its a literal god of creation inside of her.
I feel like mumie can invent any technology on a flash since shes guardian of civilisation.
And then shoot her own leg with it.
I think Fauna forgot about IRyS' most powerful ability...to turn off the lights of a whole city.
Hope only rises when chaos comes. Kinda make sense in terms of thier relationship
That stream was really fun. Nice clip
Irys: I will be higher
Chat: is a fistfight list
Irys: yeah, the bottom is mine
Every HoloEN fanartist =
- make Gura either in Red form (Gawr) or base form as the Rival of Baelz
- make Amelia Watson as the Protagonist of HoloEN as a whole.
- make Calli looks more stronger and menacing than Fauna
- make IRyS the only one who can oppose Omegaα.
At this point, Power Scalling in Hololive English is not exist.
I guess another Council slaying is on the horizon
IRyS: i don't believe Bae should be that high up there
Aaaand, another divorce
Smol Ame no diffs all
i legit thought she was gonna say
"bae is pretty weak on the monopoly"
Ina herself is human but she has a potentially powerful patron…she’s def a warlock
Eldritch Warlock
Never seen a human with flaps and squishy hair though..
@@bananabunch4590 Lore-wise, Ina IS an altered human, her being a priestess of an eldritch resulted in her gaining the flaps, squishy hair and pointy ears.
@@kradhunter00 Lorewise Ina was rather possessed by a god, like Nadeko Sengoku in Bakemonogatari, in the Medusa Arc...
Sadly Ina don't like the mage route in anything.
IRyS : I don't agree that Bae is so high up there.
She should have been beside me is what IRyS wanted to say.
I mean if anything Calli is the strongest as a representative of death, then we have the representatives of space=time=chaos=hope, after that I'd say civilization=nature, then after that the mythological monsters shork=chicken, Ame and Ina are wildcards, Ame because she has some amount of control over time but she's also just human, and Ina because she has literal eldrich horror gods as her patrons, depending on how closely linked they are she could be just below Calli or basically human with tentacles and some magic.
While I agree with some points like how not everyone has hope in ther hearts, it technically is why IRyS would exist as a bringer of hope, and her nephelim powers does not seem to be linked directly to her title so I firmly desagree with IWyS being at the bottom.
I would place her middle-high on the tierlist just because unlike council she's not really dependant on a concept to exist and because her powers as a cross-breed of angel and demon would make her busted as fuck, being one of the strongest on the MythRyS but far from it on CouncilRyS.
Hope and despair can only exist with sufficiently civilized sentient beings. In other words, she is at least as strong as mumei, if not more. Hope can be infinitely strong (there is no limit to how much hope a being can have) or it can be powerless all the same. So, she should pretty much range from bottom to top.
Technically for a being like kiara, a chi---I mean phoenix all one would have to do is trap them in a infinite loop.
That sounds a lot more difficult than you write out tbh lol
Could just eat her. She can't revive if eaten.
Ame is their Batman. And has an army of herself. Armando Watson broke his own back and he's fine. I sawr it with me own eyes, I did.
1:10 And a gun.
Let's not forget the gun.
Seems pretty important.
Fauna still salty that Irys killed her and all of Council in amongus. She forgets that hope decended and came for her. Lol!
And this stream was the one right after Fauna destroying IRyS in Nintendo Switch Sport's Chambara too.
Mother Nature can be very cruel sometimes lol
So according to Fauna's lore tier list, Bae is top and IRyS is bottom? _humu humu naruhodo_
Same goes for Kronii and Mumei it seems. Understandable
so long as you have hope you're invincible kind of thing.
irys should been on the bottom and top at the same time since she a both angel and demon. if there's no hope there be only despair.
Hope is s tier because if you take away hope you are taking away the motivation to anything it would be like they have the power but they wouldn't be doing anything with it just chilling
I do have to agree most of the fauna's tier list, though irys and ina might be higher but most of them are pretty accurate imo
Somebody needs to teach IRyS about chaos theory
It’s all fun and games putting Ame towards the bottom til you remember she’s got a gun
Kneel before the skaven queen and her horde !
Mumei gives of the Nagisa vibes but could probably end you if you're not careful
If we are going by 40k lore, then Bae is the strongest, since the chaos gods can warp reality (space) and time as well as corrupt nature and civilisations.
Calli always want to reap Kiara's soul but she kept reviving.
Baelz And Ina Would Be Top Tier I Would Put Sana Lower She Is Just Big And That Is All She Has Going For Herself!
I don't think so
Sana is the space, so I think it would make sense that she has the power to manipulate space however she wants, I think her power could be much more disastrous, could create distortions in space, or change gravitational laws, maybe manipulate atoms and molecules, if you think about it, it's likely that without space time wouldn't even exist, so it's likely that sana wouldn't even be affected by kronii and maybe kronii woldn't be affected by sana, because is spacetime they go hand in hand
And i agree that bae could go quite high, but ina is more like a person with magical powers, I would not know how powerful she could be to be at the top
Fauna trolling because many a horror in this existence has hope (seducer of chaos) as their oshi, plus anyone who can instill the fear of GWAK into our resident glass-canon-kronii holds at least some power of note.
So Nature has lost all hope in humanity, and civilization.
Sad owl noises.
Let us not forget that IRyS wiped out the entire HoloCouncil on her own in Among Us. 😂
Man what a miss opportunity that Irys didn't include that she has a gun she could be the most powerful being if she said that
These poor girls have no idea what Ame is capable of or heaven forbid Smol Ame.
Honestly, considering how Sana was more related to Planets, Cosmos and that stuff rather than the actual concept of Space (Dimensions and that stuff), I would say that Calli's stronger than her, as even stars have to die eventually.
Stars are not alive an therefore cannot die. Mori was also only responsible for reaping souls on Earth, as far as we know.
Sana on the other hand is the speaker of space and similiar to Kronii has a great deal of control over it, can communicate with the universe itself that grants her requests, has a pet god who can destroy galaxies and grant her wishes and has even become an apostle of the ancient ones, not to mention that she's bigger than our sun and can travel around the universe far faster than the speed of light.
""Space" refers not only to this universe we live in, but all dimensions and matter to exist. It is a concept unbridled by definition, and one that continues to grow in scope limitlessly."
I think it's fair to put Mori near Fauna but Sana definitely seems way more impressive to me.
IMHO Tier list wise using official lore it goes
1.Bae(not a concept! She literally chaos. Appointed by the Gods to lead the council)
2.Sana(the canvas for everything existing /limitless)
3.Kronii(actually got a power boost from humans applying time to everything. Lore makes it sound like she was a small fry until humans)
4.Fauna (embodiment of Nature except humans)
5.Mumei (civilization is da baby also enslaved to Kronii)
Myth is weird because their lore is SUPER simplified. Also Guras lore video semi contradictory to her previous lore. Kiara being a part time warrior isn’t even mentioned and Ames time stuff is nonexistent. Their extended lore is waaaaay cooler than “lol I became an idol cause bored”
Edit: forgot Irys! She’s even with Mumei I believe. Official lore says she’s existing because there’s too much despair in the world aka earth.
I would honestly put Mumei above Fauna. Civilization seems to do a pretty good job at killing nature. Also if Kronii gets stronger from humans, does that make Bae weaker since humans naturally use patterns, measurement, and law in civilization, reducing overall chaos?
I thought Ina is going to be high up there because she has tentacle and a child of Cthulhu
Ina is human, but I guess being the priestess of the Ancient One would give her some sort of power because of the contract. Like how the tentacles are basically something she could conjure, and while Alternative is basically something with the concept of "different world", her abilities still seem to fit her original lore.
If Ina were interested in her lore, she could be the most powerful character in EN.
I do agree that lore wise, Time and Space would be the the strongest. Kronii will always get bullied by Mumei whenever she wants though
When a literally chicken got higher tier than you
Sasuga immortal “chicken”, with fire powers, ability to fly and warrior weapons lol
Mumei should at the very least be on par with Calli since she has conceptual advantage against humans
i think gura should be above at least on kiaras level, bc shes got the trident, but also ame has a gun and can time travel
Cope hope😂 ame could time stop, and use her gun at point blank, or alter time to where a person doesn’t even come into existence; only time, and space would be able to be uneffected.
According to Ina, she (Ina) is the only human in Holomyth
Ame is not a human, Ame is mythical being called British
Ina is human, Ame is Bri'ish
Gura also being at the bottom
The Gura in Hololive vs Ina could probably beat every hololive member senseless though
But hope is everywhere. It's ultimate power. On a serious note though wouldn't EN be the strongest branch out of all of Hololive?
you forget, Korone could beat anyone in Holo in a fight, she said so herself. No puny god can defeat the DoogSlayer!
Lore wise yes and it’s not even close besides maybe the weakest EN members vs strongest ID or JP girls in lore. I mean EN are all either magical beings or gods so it’s kinda hard to beat a branch where every person is a high tier in lore
Bae is the strongest Hololive member (including JP, ID and STARS) followed by Sana and Kronii. She is the end of the universe, a slow and cold death of everything.
If the ancient ones are older than the universe then Ina is stronger. She can simply go to the "other" place to hide out the death of this universe.
Wait if she's bringing death shouldn't Cali be op
@@akashraj5701 Cali is only an apprentice reaper not death itself. In here lore she is limited to reaping human souls.
Ina is technically human.
I felt like Fauna was off. Bae would be at the top as Chaos defines a period before and after the universe and is ever present throughout creation. Chaos onto itself by nature would disorder time and dishevel space. It is endless random creation, change, and destruction. But its lack of focus would prevent it from gaining any meaningful stewardship. Just below her is Sana and Kronii, who's powers would in a way be codependent, time and space. Below them would be Fauna and Mumie, who's powers would be in opposition with a potential for collaboration but it is a proven fact Civilization destroys nature and nature reclaims all that civilization makes. Irys would be just slightly weaker than the council as they were created by gods to serve a divine purpose, Nephilim are hybrid creature born of reproduction. I could see her powers granting her honorary status among the Council but the nature of hope and despair is an ebb and flow and thus her true strength would be difficult to unleash. From there you got Ina, Kiwawa, and Calli. These three are immortal, Ina is a priestess of the Eldritch but this does not mean she is as powerful as the Eldritch beings she serves and thus should not be ranked among gods. Kirara is an immortal fire bird, more powerful than a human and Calli as a Shinigami is more an agent of death rather than death itself. Below them would be Gura and Ame. Gura is more powerful than a human, I assume, since living under the water require a stronger body. Ame has the time watch but unless she one day summons "God Ame", all of her forms are essentially within certain limitations of Ame herself.
Gura is at least a demi god, since she's directly related to Neptune and Poseidon, she can also use magic as seen in her latest animation.
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Also IRyS should definitely be in the same tier as Bae, since she also predates the universe, other than that I do agree with most of what you wrote.
My headcanon tho, IRyS is just below Kronii and Sana, probably on the same level as Bae. She's a nephilim who survived the end of eden, before the beginning of the world even. So she must be strong.
NeuronActivation PLEASE DON'T
Guess we now know whos the top and the bottom.
i think if anything goomba would be the weakest in the power rankings since ame became a time traveler all of a sudden according to lore and moomster is basically immortal unless civilization is eliminated but shork is a shork. but ppl can argue that goomba lasted longer than civilization so idk
People always describe Council as Gods as if they are omnipotent embodiments of said aspect, but I'm not so sure. ESPECIALLY with Japanese culture often having gods that are far less omnipotent then the traditional judeo-christian variety.
I see council more as caretakers to their particular aspect, similar to the Kais from DBZ. The watch over and maintain that force but aren't the omnipotent embodiment of them. avatars of time, space etc. How else do you explain Amelia, a normal human being, stealing Kronii's time watch and Kronii being relatively powerless to get it back? a capital G God of time could just click their fingers and Amelia's crime never happened. heck, Amelia never happened. But she got away with it, implying they aren't quite all-powerful, but 'merely' demi-godlike avatars meant to control and maintain the order of the universe. this also explains Bae, avatar of chaos, as the leader. because she controls and watches over the chaos of the universe, guiding the other aspects to do their job.
Power scaling HoloEN is just as messy as making the Hololive family tree tbh
chill out guys, its Ame on the ranking. not Smol Ame.
Smol Ame would ground pound their mother especially the mother nature.
Kiara and Calli should cancel each other out. One is the harbinger of death while the other is the keeper of life. Balancing the cycle of beings in the universe.
Well Kiara isn’t really a keeper of life in lore kinda feel like Fauna is more of that since nature but yeah Kiara not being able to die is a hard counter to Mori’s ability lol
@@niconojuegos Well it's just my head canon. I mean lore-wise if you think about it it makes sense. Kiara and Calli have this couple dynamic since one entity cannot be without the other. I see it as Fauna, the nurturer of life while Kiara is the keeper of it. The same concept goes with Kronii and Ame. Since their lore really isn't fully established you may as well have fun with it.
@@Avian07 true their lore isn’t fully built up yet so yeah I guess that is one way to see it
Power scalers always jerk eldritch creatures so Ina should be at the top.
Fauna: L+Ratio+low tier+Hope & Seethe
i was expecting bae is on the top with sana and kronii
Ame is not human, she is Bri'ish. Ina is the only human there.
Lol
Wait who gave Irys a gun. Why would someone give her the ability to shoot hope at others
Ame would definitely be above the whole tier list.
She may be human, but that's exactly what makes her stronger than everyone else.
You think being human stopped Simon from punching universes with *other* universes? Please.
Bae on top.
Gura's from Atlantis, possibly child to Posideon, kupo. Her placement is bullshit, kupo!
i feel like if you destroy ina's book she's nothing especially since kiara can come back over and over even with the book and calli killing her, and calli honestly would be up their with sana and kronii cuz death is the end all be all, its always a "matter of time" before death comes for you
but knowing how chunni calli and kiara are they'll bs their way to being top lmao
Did you watch fauna's stream and her reasoning?
Calli (and Mumei) is dependent of the existence of humans while any lifeform is enough for Fauna, she is older than Calli and would live beyond humanity's extinction
@@s2-railgun718 i did but if you think about it more ina is strong but its cuz of the book from her lore, you have to think what gives her the power similar to superman with the sun and batman with his IQ
@@kidmike6297 it is not about ina, it is about calli
@@JarbasCoqueiro very true but you can also say erasing some ones existence is also the same as death, a void, which calli has said before she's from lol and for some reason said she has no womb cuz she's from the void.....don't ask...
ina is human
IRyS: I understand Ame being on the bottom of the list since she’s the only human in Myth.
Ina: well hello there, fellow human.
In lore, shouldn't Irys be the most powerful? She's the one who brings them all together apparently.
in lore who brings them all together is Bae that's why she is the leader of the council and because chaos and order are the "same" thing
@@tertene I meant Irys is the one that gets them to join Hololive.
@@mongooseunleashed i don't know about that part lol
@@mongooseunleashed hololive is just vtuber agency hiding godly entities. not that important
For me Bae would be the strongest actually
When I see them I remember of the theory of the big bang:
The big bang exploded
Then time was created
Then space
Then nature
Then civilization
And since Bae is chaos she could be the big bang
I gotta do a tier list with all Hololive members, because Fauna's a disaster.
(I know she didn't take it seriously, I'm just talking shit)
Seems like another of Fauna’s bad takes lists. I think the only ones she probably got correct were Kronii and Sana:
1. Kronii and Sana - time and space.
2. IRyS - if she were merely a nephalem she’d be below Bae, but as the personification of Hope, she would be above Chaos.
3. Bae
4. Calli
5. Fauna
6. Mumei
7. Ina
8. Kiara
9. Ame
10. Gura - Yes, Ame is just a human, but Gura is either a shark that can’t swim or a little girl.
Bae should be above Kronii and Sana, she can freeze the space-time and kill universe
Fauna doesn't have many attack points but she pretty hard to get rid of, she will keep living till all form of life cease to exist
Calli, Mumei and IRyS can't exist without humans
I think that Irys' power levels would fluctuate, since if there is no hope, she can't really exist. Similar to Rise of the Guardians where their powers are directly correlated to the number of kids that believe in them.
Also, another reason why Ame could be stronger than Gura is that she can time travel.
Kinda feel like Kiara being immortal has to factor her being higher up the list since we know Calli can’t kill her and I don’t think Fauna, Irys, or Mumei can either (and I mean permanently because yes she can die but infinite revive is crazy). Is Mumei even that strong either like I know she’s got a knife but what powers does she actually have besides I guess whatever strength being a god level owl gives ya
@@niconojuegos The reason I have Kiara lower is if she is true to the mythological Phoenix, and not the Marvel superhero, her power is basically being reborn from her own ashes. She can’t be permanently killed, but the extent of the damage she can do is with her sword.
@@JarbasCoqueiro Bae isn’t the capital-C Chaos that existed before everything. If she was, I’d agree with you. She’s the “concept of Chaos, birthed by the world, itself” according to her Hololive bio. If she was birthed by the world, she wasn’t there before everything, and falls into the “can’t exist without humans” camp. I put her as high as she is because chaos can lead to death and destruction.
While Calli isn’t Death themself, she works for them, and death will come for all living things, not just humans. In terms of power level, Calli, Fauna, and Mumei can’t really harm each other, but Calli is capable of killing everything Fauna and Mumei creates, just as Fauna can destroy everything Mumei is in charge of (and left unchecked, civilization can kill nature). That’s why I grouped them in that order in the middle.