People love to talk about Trae’s defense but if you actually watch the hawks you can see he at least tries and buys in on the defensive end he just lacks the physical capabilities to stop some of these guys, my biggest and really only problem with Trae is his shot selection, he takes some wild shots and especially loves hero ball 3s when it isn’t always necessary
@@MaximusR93given his effort I think he can be a solid team defender with the right personal around him, like he’ll never be a super positive defender but he could be a null defender or slightly positive
@@omarbojang2602I don’t think so, I mean if he had a bunch of all defensive players it’s possible that you could hide him, but he will never be a positive defender. I’m a spurs fan and I really didn’t want them to trade for him, even Wemby’s cleanup ability couldn’t offset Trae getting torched on the perimeter. He’s got a bad attitude as well, no thanks
Swear trae young is the first player I changed my mind from being overrated to underrated on. It’s literally disrespectful now how they talk abt him as if he’s even not even an allstar😂
@@tuanas458 1st when he came in “he’s the next Steph curry/ he’s better than Luka/ he’s a mvp blah blah” I’m like 😑 ok Then “now he’s a scrub/ he can’t lead a team/ he’s not even a allstar much less superstar/ he should js be a sixth man” now I’m like 🤦♂️ Ppl js needa chill on him 😂 stop overreacting
@@akeembrown7661 When all of NY chants, "fk TraeYoung", you know you doing some damage lol. But man I remember when I saw TY play, I thought he's hair is weird but ok. I don't keep up with bball so don't really care all that much. But then you start to see TY's pickup and training videos outside of regular season, you get a gauge for how good he really is. His play style is really nice and he's doing it all at the top level which is nuts considering how good Jeremy Lin was and now he's playing in China. So to do what Trae is doing for his height and weight is nuts. The NBA is extremely competitive and TY is dominating it. That's scary if you think about it. Really the coolest thing about watching trae pllay is for his shear bball IQ because it goes to show how much more important it is beyond all else.
I would agree that it is quite the stark contrast in how the opinion on him has changed on him. However, it is accurate to describe him as a player as some who ultimately can't lead a team, and the run they had in 2021 was shown to be flukey.
@@andredornelles8014well it was just Russ and he's not really hard to stop in a 7 games series as we have seen. doesn't shoot or pass as well as Trae either and has regressed. Trae isn't even in his prime doing this
I think a big thing people get mixed up about Trae is the "inefficient" part because they see his FG% when in reality he's above league average in 3PT%, FT%, Mid Range%, and TS% the only thing he's truly inefficient at in scoring is his finishing at the rim and that can be attributed to his size, the paint being clogged because of the way his team is built and other things Donovan Mitchell has a career 45/37/84 splits on 57% TS Trae Young has a career 44/36/87 splits on 58% TS difference between them is Mitchell is very crafty at the rim so his FG% is usually higher than Trae and he has more strength, giving him that ability to use the contact to his advantage
People bring up defense when literally most star guards with his volume are bad defenders too and then people like to bring up turnovers when all high usage guys have high turnover numbers Steve Nash and Magic Johnson have both led the league in turnovers multiple times, that's the price of being an offensive engine who has the ball more than anyone else on the floor
i wish people would bring up real flaws in Trae's game like his rim finishing and iso scoring, then that's actually valid criticisms because he's good in the clutch on offense and defense surprisingly (i have stats and clips to back this claim up) he's a great playmaker, above average shooter, and has elevated mid level rosters to high level offenses in terms of PPG and offensive rating
Precisely, Like with those numbers I showed from 2020, Trae is more efficient than Tatum and Mitchell from a TS percentage scoring more points per game. I think they might be more resilient playoff scorers because of their size but I think Traes had some bad luck his last few playoff series' with matchups and supporting cast. Hes in that realm at the very least but isn't discussed in that way
Trae and Risacher playing together will be genial. And like for luka, criticisms about his defense are excuses to not recognise his talent. I just say I love this guy because he has a funny and subtle game, that Americans seem not able to like.
I LOVE YOU MAN!! Even going back to the ECF run you are one of the very few people with an objective take on the Hawks as a team and Trae Young as a player. I will always be an honorary Pistons supporter because because I feel like you do the same for us. As a Hawks fan it feels so hard to be seen because nobody watches the team but for some reason everybody has an (incorrect) opinion about the team. Thank you so much for your videos on us.
I appreciate that a lot bro! Yeh I wish I could've made more hawks vids the last couple years but it's been a little rough for you guys. I like the direction you're heading now though with Jalen, Dys, Zach and big O alongside trae. I think those are the right types of players and im excited to watch you guys again. Appreciate the kind words a lot though
It’s a team game, no player is perfect but Trae is a damn good player. A competent team around him and he can contend like he was showing in the ‘21 playoffs
Trae Young has had a competent defense for one season of his career. It was the '21 season when Clint Capela balled out and finished 6th in DPOY voting. Just so happens that the Hawks went to the conference finals that year. Capela has declined every season since and so has the Hawks' win percentage. Trae is a walking top 5 offense. He's never played with another all-NBA caliber player, and the Hawks consistently finish at the top of the league in offense. Surround this guy with defenders that can make an open shot and I guarantee the Hawks will be right back in the mix in the East.
What’s so frustrating is that the FO has somewhat tried to get those type of guys - that’s why they got hunter and DJ in the first place, but both of their defensive impact got worse once they were in Atlanta. I hope we start Daniels and Risacher (if he pans out) on the wing to hopefully give us extra length and defense. Bring Bogi and Hunter off the bench for scoring.
@@Gratefulness648 ruclips.net/video/-EHA4UhYuQY/видео.html and also ruclips.net/user/shortsbcq8Kv3XB0A are good examples. its a running joke in the nba how ben simmons passed up a wide open dunk because of the elite shot blocker trae young 🤣🤣
@@Gratefulness648 Ben Simmons was going to dunk it when he saw trae young than threw it to a player behond the arc which then the player missed the shot ruining Bens confidence thus making him like this
W take. Been waiting for someone to bring this up. I never hear Trae in conversations about the best players in the NBA, but stats say otherwise. Spot on with what you said about his passing too. Ironically, despite the league saying he's the most overrated player, I think he just might be underrated after all.
Dyson Daniels found the perfect backcourt mate in Trae young. He’s gonna get clean looks all the time he just needs to knock them down, and we already know about his élite defense
Confirmation bias. So many analysts and pundits had Trae pegged to be a bust but he’s been putting egg on their faces. So now when they analyze Trae they are viewing him through a negative lens and highlighting his negatives and minimizing his positives. Skip Bayless got caught doing it by Paul Pierce when he was comparing him to Luka when it hit him that they are the same player. He tried to talk about his usage and turnovers only to have to admit Luka was basically the same. He tried to talk about Trae shooting a lot of 3’s at a relatively bad rate only to be immediately reminded that Luka does too. Then he tried to say “but the defense” only having to be reminded that Luka is a cone on defense. Because people said he would be a bust they are doing mental gymnastics to make it so.
There are 2-5 guys who can score and pass on every team. Its doing all the other things on top of that, which is truly valuable in the league, thats why it gets pointed out that he doesnt do the other things. And before you try it, those flaws get pointed out in other stars like doncic too. If you are comparing 2 players with similar offensive stats, that dont play defense, you go with the taller one... because this is basketball.
Calling them the same player is just straight up wrong, though. Luka is a much more versatile and efficient scorer while also shooting at a higher volume. He's so much more deadly inside the arc and in the paint than Trae. He's also an elite rebounder compared to Trae.
Luka’s defense got a lot better this year and is 6’7 230 lbs. Saying he’s a cone is a parroted take you got from some dumbass stat like “blow-by rate” when the Mavs defense is built around funneling guys to the paint. He led the playoffs in steals btw. Luka .382 on 10.6 threes compared to .373 on 8.7 attempts. Luka .487 on 23.6 att, Trae .430 (lol) on 18.7 att. Luka a better shooter and defender. You can hype up Trae all u want but don’t compare him to Luka.
Also we say Luka be able to guard players like Shai, Harden and Ant in isolation in the playoffs so he can definitely step it up when it matters where as Trae will never not be a liability
Great video. Glad to see the front office is making moves to actually build around Trae with size, Defense and shooting. Trae will take care of the rest
Trae Young is one of my favorite players in the league. But the Hawks do not surround him with a feasible team to win. People must forget he went to the conference finals a couple years back only losing to the eventual champ Bucks.
Agree. From the moment the trade happened Trae was a terrible player and Luka was amazing according to the media. It's been the same narrative ever since. Only way to shut these fools up is winning like in 2021.
@@timbertron12021 was fluky. And arguing there isnt a gap between luka and trae is being disengenious. Luka is perrenial all nba 1st team. Trae isnt even always an all star
Trae is one of the most disrespected player in the nba...he's been treated like that even before when he was still in college..he always gets all the blame for the teams struggles..i know he aint perfect but i love watching him play...and im always gonna root for him and wait for him to prove his haters wrong
Production does not equal impact. Averaging 10 assists per game is great but averaging over 4 turnovers per game is bad, better to average 8/3 or 7/2. His shot selection is poor. He isn't good at playing off-ball offense. He is bad at defense. Hawks fans go on about their top 10 or top 5 offense, when they have one of the very worst defenses in the league. That is why they cannot contend. And yet instead of admitting Trae Young plays a big part in that, the Hawks want to blame coaches and other players. Look past the box scores and the highlight reels. Eye test shows he is not a well rounded or versatile player, and he is not particularly efficient even at what he does best. Various advanced metrics like win shares per 48, box plus minus, VORP, etc show that he is not truly elite, for example Al Horford as a Hawk had better advanced metrics. If the Hawks can build a team full of good defenders and off-ball offensive threats around him, it could work very well, covering up his weaknesses and improving his efficiency. But that could be financially or schematically challenging. And his weaknesses will still exist which opponents will exploit especially in deep playoff runs. I'm not saying he's a bad player, but I do think he is not as good or impactful of a player as his points and assists per game suggest.
Dejounte not as good as some ppl think, he had A TON of offensive freedom and slacked off on D. There’s a reason why since becoming an all star, he’s never had a winning season and the hawks were better off without him
Murray good .. Thing is for Trae to be Trae he has to be the chef in the kitchen. Mfs wanted Trae to be Steph and not have the ball in his hands when he is a TRUE PG who needs the ball in his hands and Murray a true pg also.
He probably salcked off on D because of the offensive responsibility that he has. Also, Dejounte has not been on many winning rosters, so you can't card him for that.
If you look at the Atlanta Hawks front office in the roster, that will tell you all you need to know it’s very hard to win basketball games when you’re playing by yourself and your team is absolutely terrible. You put Trae Young on the Orlando Magic. He would be viewed as a top five player in the NBA.
Honestly, the DJ trade isn’t bad but it isn’t the best. Especially if the Hawks want to become contenders in the playoffs. As an NBA fan, I still see the hawks as a play in team or less.
It’s the defense u can score n create as much offense as u want but wen u run into a Donavan Mitchell it don’t matter cuz he gone score on young every play down
i like trae man, his offense is crazy but he has always been bad on d. One could argue its his team but theres no reason they lose to the pistons in the 2020 ladder when he's putting up insane numbers. i feel he just needs the right system to play in. Like the celtics
He's like Iverson. You have to build the whole team around him, otherwise it won't work. Also, being traded for Luka means he will always be tied to arguably the greatest player of his generation.
I think it's the same question Luka experienced, "what have you done for me lately". When they went to the Eastern Conference Finals he was a magician then the team re-tooled but it didn't work. It's a matter of people putting the blame on him but ignoring the deficiencies he covers
Hes really been one of the best players for years now. Its crazy hes the only one out of that stacked 2018 draft class that gets talked about this way. everybody else is a top player according to fans and media. I keep sayin if he ever leaves atl, its cuz he is not getting his respect he deserves
From a hoxx fan, this is some solid analysis! Great video! Possible reasons for the Trae hate: Got Lloyd pierce fired and LP is good friends with Pop, Kerr, Carlisle, and possibly other nba elites…Bill Simmons, KOC, & the ringer hate Trae…why?: Foul baiting early in career? They think we should’ve taken Luka? Or they’re just idiots with a loud megaphone
This what I think the hawks starting 5 should be Pg trae Shooting guard bogi Small forward Jalen Power forward zaccharie Center okongwu And yes okongwu because he can do everything capela can and can do more like shoot the 3 and make free throws
I don’t really know ow what it is either, but if I had to infer why his value may not be higher than DJ is maybe because with Trae skill set in today game there are already multiple guards and even forwards that can do what he does and I think his size and height and lack of defense (all together) doesn’t help him too well. Vs someone like DJ that can play multiple positions for you and at a height where it’s possible with his skill set on offense and defense. Another thing I can probably say is why people may find him “overrated” is him being on an underwhelming team and bad situation (which is not his fault at all) and maybe because he’s not really surrounded with the best players for him to hide more of his weaknesses and not have to carry such a heavy load.
From Trae's time playing with Dejounte, I think he learned to play the passing lanes a lot better. Made him look better defensively, his problem is that he gets lost on defense too often. There are too many possessions when he's just not guarding anyone. It forces the rest of the team into last minute closeouts and someone's always open!
I from Atlanta,been a Hawks fan forever, 1 of Trae problems is for almost every great play he make in the game he also makes a terrible play the highlight reel doesn't show that and he takes alot of unnecessary risks in games alot that mostly lead to turnovers
defense is limited by his physical attributes. this can be made up for with proper roster construction but the hawks front office did not identify the right problem to address. they should have traded for rudy gobert in the 2023 off season when it was looking like the wolves made a mistake trading for him and realized they needed a better point guard. gobert would pair with trae very well because of his defensive anchoring and his lob catching radius. the hawks could have run a drop defensive scheme and funneled opposing players into gobert like how the jazz used to when they had him with spida.
I truly don’t understand how Trae be falling out of people top 5 pg in the league when he has shown with some right pieces he can atleast lead you to the conference finals
OK, he’s a good passer. But the best passing pure point guards of the past are also good defenders, like Stockton, Kidd, and Paul. Granted, there are those like Nash and now Trae Young who are bollards on defense. The problem is those 2 didn’t have anyone to cover for their defensive deficiencies.
Stockton wasn’t a good defender. He played Mark Price was nice, Rod Strickland weren’t none of those dudes the glove. And Dame, Kyrie, Steph, A.I , Brunson, Haliburnton, Maxey, Fox, Luka are all horrendous defenders way worse than Trae. And they don’t put up the points and assists Trae give you.
That is a lie. Nash had teammates to cover for his defensive deficiencies: Shawn Marion, Raja Bell, Amar'e, Boris Diaw, Grant Hill, Jason Richardson, etc.
@@urbaindelva7869 they just hate. Tell ‘em name another guard can lead the league in points and assists that he like, then tell him to bet money that that player a do it?? Crickets.. Tell ‘em bet whatever guards he like that’ll have more points than Trae. Then take that same bet in assists as well he won’t bet.. Trae gone average about 31 this year and 11 assists
Trae is going to KEEP your team offensively productive. So keeping good floor spacing w/ bogi trae and the other forwards as inside finishers or lob threats is what the hawks needed. I still say we need a "big guy" but I think an undersized skillful big man could get the chip
I have said this for sometime, but no one watches the Hawks. If they did, they would see just how brilliant he his offensively and his improved defense this past season. Outside of Capela and Onyeka, the Hawks roster has not had really stand out defensive players. Dyson Daniels seems to be just that and I’m excited for him in Atlanta with Trae. ZR helps with that as well.
Today’s NBA is too demanding on both sides for a Trae Young or a Russell Westbrook to be the main option of a winning team. Once you have players like that as your main option, you need to compromise too much elsewhere and other teams can easily explore that. There’s nothing wrong with Trae individually, it’s the impact he has on a system that prevents a team from being truly competitive that’s the issue
Compared to the other guards you mentioned, the hawks aren’t in the media a lot and are the definition of mediocre. If he was on the heat as an example he’d be in more those conversations
So much could be said here…but just one thing I want to point out is what Trae did this past December when the whole world was hopping onto another terrible defenders offensive game, Tyrese Haliburtons. Trae went out himself for that MONTH and AVERAGED 30.4 ppg 12.2 apg 3.2 rpg 1.2 spg on 10.1-21.1 FGs and 4.4-10.4 from 3FGs. He AVERAGED 4 and a half made 3s per game on 42+ shooting for the month. AND 12+ dimes. AND 30+ points. Also got to the line 7 times and made 90%. In a span of 7 games he had 13+ assists in 6. 9 in the other lol. Sorry lemme just read his game by game box stats: 32/12 30/9 19/9 35/17 38/11 35/10 31/15 30/14 30/13 30/13 21/13( such a down game am I right !? Lol) 24/9 40/13 That’s every game he played that month…. 24/11 his first game of the next month! In a win Vs OKC hahah Oh and Bro wTF hahah. I didn’t realize he had 45 and 14 in the last game of the prior month hahahaahah wow get this, if we go backawards from December, it’s 45/14, then 13/10…but then 33/7 26/10 43/9 38/8 22/13 15/17 27/11 41/8 Bro what the heck did I just read lol. This man is so amazing. He’s historically good offensive point guard
He has two problems: extremely streaky shooting and an extremely high TO%. His defensive issues can be supplemented by surrounding him with good defenders. But he has to make better decisions with the ball. He shot less than 15 of his 54 games last season were sub 36% from the field, and 25 of 5 turnovers or more. That just doesn't work for a star player. If he was in Maxey or Murray's position he would be lauded. But he just isn't a #1 guy. I
Hmmm.. The qb who usually throws the ball the most will probably have his receivers drop alot of passes. Luka number two in turnovers.. Y’all don’t keep that energy Skip. Skip.. If Trae inconsistent and he lead the league on points scored and assists since being drafted what they say about your player. Can’t have it both ways. It’s the opposite he’s the most consistent player in the league. He gone lead the league in points and assists this year as well.
@@goatjamesizbrixmoneysauce4207 Luka also scores more, rebounds more, nearly matches him in assists, is better at playing the passing lanes (even though neither is a good defender), gets a block every other game rather than every once every five, has a better eFG%, and destroys him in on/off stats (both box and adjusted). Trae is a very good player, but he has flaws. Luka has similars flaws, but is even better. Does that logically follow?
@@michaelcarrig627 bro u got that.. You like what you like. I see two players that play about the same ones taller and is accepted the others smaller and rejected
@@goatjamesizbrixmoneysauce4207 What you "see" and "like" ignores empirical differences that are represented by statistical differences. As for Luka, I did not bring him up, that is your hangup not mine. There is a statistic called VORP (Value Over Replacement), It compares a players average effect on a teams production, from points scored, to points created off of assists, off of hockey assists, turnovers created, and anything we can tell from on/off stats. Doncic was second in the league, below Jokic and above Giannis and Shai. Trae was 50th. Most advanced metrics say the same. Sometimes your eyes lie.
@@michaelcarrig627 this year we judging off a injury year?? How about 2019 I got money on it he was way more efficient than Luka and Shai. Since we picking years let's go 20-21 season and 21-22 season and compare Shai and Trae for good measure throw Kyrie and Luka in their for good measure throw Brunson in ..
Trae is good, no one denies that. But why are people saying "build around him", "build around that". His squad is decent and had a good backcourt partner. Maybe let's entertain the idea that he maybe the problem or the coaching? I mean, PJ was rotting in Hornets and Gafford was a no-name center in the Wizards (and previously Bulls). Yet they became integral pieces to Mavs' Finals run. Heck, even DJJ was hopping from teams to teams as well. They even got Exum as a rotation piece for God's sake. Miss me with that excuse about building shit around him where he in fact had a decent roster. Sure, he don't have a Kyrie Irving teammate but let's not act like Dejounte was some kind of a scrub.
Actually Atlanta is the best fit. Now they are finally building a strong defence around Trae we will see over the next couple of seasons if they can improve defensively.
@@Goxilla Two young star forwards, a slew of centers, a nice spark plug guard off the bench and a pair of all-defense caliber guards. Only issue is how many of those pieces need to go to ATL to make the trade happen? Like, just to make the money work it would probably have to be something like KCP + Wendell Carter Jr. + Franz Wagner, which might be too much. Orlando might be best off keeping their team intact and trying to go hard on getting Tyus Jones in free agency.
As a person who doesn't buy the Trae hype, I'll respond. Trae isn't a very efficient shooter. He shoots high volume but isn't great from 3 and really struggles close to the basket. He doesn't have the ability to score efficient shots near the rim like SGA or Luka do. He gets a lot of assists but he also gets a lot of turnovers. He also dominates the ball and often waits and looks for the pass which will get him the assist as opposed to just getting the ball moving. The best teams shift the ball constantly until there's a good shot. Trae needs to move the ball more and be less heliocentric. He's really small but also has poor length. He doesn't play with athleticism on defense. His efforts on defense have improved but I still see him take possessions off. He also switches off a lot and loses his man a lot. This is reflected in the defensive rankings where he's still ranked really low despite him putting in more effort. His defense has improved but it's still bad. He's small so he can't help it but the hawks chose to build their team around him knowing his weaknesses. He doesn't move enough off the ball which negates part of his offensive impact. He can't be shifted inside as he has no size. So when he doesn't have the ball he just kinda hangs out at the 3 point line, becoming useless. The league is moving towards more versatile balanced and cohesive teams. Boston won the championship because they had five guys who moved the ball, didn't dominate the ball, could switch and play D and could score at the rim and with 3s. That's not Trae. Maybe it's not Brunson either! But it's also not Trae. There's a reason why coaches, GMs, the national team etc. don't rate him. He's closer to LaMelo Ball than many of his fans are willing to admit. He's alone in his flaws, but the hawks aren't going to win championships by pointing out other team's flaws.
I've watched Trae Young ever since high school. He is a great shooter, and I'm glad the young man got PAID but he's not someone you can build around. People expect too much of him, especially being on the Hawks squad. He needs someone to pass to so he can get open shots. He can't do it all on his own.
There's something that is kind of hard to quantify (although usage sort of shows it), and it's how much offensive oxygen you chew up. Trae will put up great numbers, but other than setting people up for lobs, he's not going to let anyone else cook. And with him never being off ball, it becomes predictable in a series. You add in the fact he is the single worst defender in the league and a headache, and he's just not worth it.
Atlanta Hawks made a huge mistake of trading Luka Doncic for Trae Young. Trau Young is not a worthy francjise player. He is the problem. He's a coach killer.
It’s no problem with Trae He still be the tremendous amount of talent the magical point guard he used to be it’s just Atlanta didnt have enough good pieces to surround him to compete regularly since their finals appearance now that they have the best 2024 picks there is hope again for the A although Dejounte a star Trae better player he can be magic as Luka he unique his IQ and playmaking genius top chart I call him the Lobgod of the the NBA He is that dude 🥶
Hes a streaky shooter, inconsistent scorer, takes baaaaad shots, tov the ball a ton(that comes with his playstyle), and is the worst defender in the league. Thats why teams dont like him.
How is he an inconsistent scorer when he leads the league in points since being drafted.. And he leads the league in assists since being drafted as well. These are facts. So if I’m Trae and I’m inconsistent but I score the most Edgar the fuck that tell you about the player you like. That said player a have to be more inconsistent than me if I’m out doing him.
@@goatjamesizbrixmoneysauce4207 Wait, there's more facts.. He had documented issues with his previous two coaches who are now gone He had documented issues with John Collins who is now gone. He signed off on the Murray trade and was supposed to play more off ball like Steph Curry and make it work and now Murray is gone. Seems like there is as consistent factor here...besides the fact that the front office is bad as well. Takes more than scoring points to be an All-star. Got to be a winner, and although he has no control over who he plays with, he does have control of displaying the characteristics of a leader. Does he do that? Remember this a guy who stay home from the arena the night his team played because he was mad at the coach. (McMillian was coach). And people wonder why players and coaches around the league look at him the way they do.
@@kj22jr1 reaching. Let's break this down. When you rebuilding, you usually don't have a championship team or a championship coach because if you do you're competing 1 and two if you have an excellent coach he costs money so most teams cut ties with the coach in a buyout. That's why Budenholzer left,he didn't want to be here and the Hawks didn't want to pay him. So usually when a team in a full rebuild they usually get a young coach to develop players and usually it's a first time coach for the cheap.. He's usually a place holder.Like a vet qb when you have a rookie qb. Like Mariotta in the nfl. So Lloyd Pierece didnt count and McMillan won more playoff series with the Hawks that one year than all his other season combined always was a playoff first round loser. John Collins was gonna be gone anyway because they drafted Jalen Johnson who can actually DRIBBLE AND CREATE HIS OWN SHOT. Now let's get to Murray. Remember when they made the trade. The GM who was making all the moves RESIGNED Because he vetoed the trade,said Trae and Murray a be a bad fit, said Murray wasn't worth those picks,and said he was trying to trade for AD that's when AD stock was low,then he tried to trade Collins for KP and Dallas wanted to do it,but the FO like Collins but he had drafted JJ and wanted KP at the five. Bottom line you don't know Atl history or the struggle carry on.
The problem with Trae Young is if he doesn't have the ball in his hands he is worthless. He doesn't move without the ball. He just stands there and does nothing if he doesn't have the ball in his hands
It’s cuz he flopped soo disgustingly that everyone cooled off on him literally ruined the game for true fans worse than James hardens arm grabbing flopping
It kinda just became a thing to hate on him. Personally i love his game but to win a championship with a guy like him youre gonna need a lot more around him on that hawks team. But the things that he can control tho he does way above average minus some questionable 3s. Easily an all star in my book
Hmmm, why might he be considered divisive? He had documented issues with his previous two coaches who are now gone He had documented issues with John Collins which went public, who is now gone. He signed off on the Murray trade with the front office and was supposed to play more off ball like Steph Curry and make it work and now Murray is gone. Seems like there is a common thread here...besides the fact that the front office is bad as well. Takes more than scoring points to be an All-star. Got to be a winner, and although he has no control over who he plays with, he does have control of displaying the characteristics of a leader and it's more than handing out assists which is his job anyway. Does he do that? Remember this a guy who reportedly stay home from the arena and did not support his team the night they played because he was mad at the coach. (McMillian was coach). And people wonder why players and coaches around the league look at him the way they do.
@@MorningSovi they were trying to win and make the playoffs until what the last 5 games of the season? That’s not even stealth tanking that’s stinking all year - BUT it all worked out for the Mavs in landing Lively!
@@PhonyPhoniPhoné last 5 games ? You mean after the trade deadline bro bro 😭, they tanked to keep there pick hence why they were fined 700k , lock in twin you messing up
Too much surface level stats and narratives. He’s good at running the spread pick and roll, that’s it. And he gets to run it all game, so of course he gets pts + asts. Once he runs into a team like the Heat in 2022 that has the personnel and game plan to defend the spread pick and roll, he literally becomes a liability, and gives the worst performance in NBA history from a “star” player. You also can’t just run the same spread pick and roll all year and be a stat compiler and then suddenly be like “HELP” and expect your team to run more team oriented offense all of a sudden and expect it to work at a high enough level against a team that’s played a more team oriented way all year and is a well oiled machine at doing it. That’s the Catch-22 with him though, he’s only effective playing one way so you have to let him play that one way.
Trae Ypung is so much better than hali if you ask me. Hali is one of the most currently overrated players in the NBA. He’s so pathetic on D, but the worst part is how soft his ego is. I was embarrased for him in the playoffs, the way he was silent while doing nothing but then when he started to break out of his slump, instead of acting like he had been there before he started talking all of that weird junk to Donte and the Knicks like “you can’t guard me!” It was literally the most obvious example of someone who’s been so in their head and doubting themsleves, so when they finally play well they just get SO happy because they were worried they couldn’t hack it, the like get overwhelmed with joy and start just going crazy and saying things they obviously don’t beleive. It was SO cringe. Maybe a simpler way to say it was that it appeared as if he was trying to convince himself he was as good as he was saying he is. Idk it just totally turned me off from him. And as far as Trae goes, I feel like people just got bored with how good he is, until he is able to make the finals he will just be another young victim of his own success too early on like JT and JB were. I swear if Trae had the exact season he had last year, but he had never averaged over 20 and 9 before, everyone woulda been like “wow!! What he is doing is so crazy!!!” But since he’s been like 27 and 9 since the second half of his first year, everyone just overlooks it. But it’s so idiotic. If anything we should be even more amazed that this dude is like the only modern player ever to produce these numbers as career averages. And with him, it’s literally been every year of his career( I guess minus his rookie year, but that year he was amazing too) as opposed to some guys with amazing career averages but only because some huge later seasons bumped up the numbers. Trae really been going for 25+ and 10 since he first started to figure shit out.
Numbers don't tell the whole story. People hardly give effort in defense or defenders are very much restricted. Playoffs is the real deal. Trae got one conference finals appearance and that's impressive, but that was 3 yrs ago, he hasn't done much since, and that doesn't help his case at all. Also his foul baiting was horrendous, I'd say it's similar to prime James Harden and Joel Embiid and we all/majority of us hated that, the hate is very much so understandable
People love to talk about Trae’s defense but if you actually watch the hawks you can see he at least tries and buys in on the defensive end he just lacks the physical capabilities to stop some of these guys, my biggest and really only problem with Trae is his shot selection, he takes some wild shots and especially loves hero ball 3s when it isn’t always necessary
If he tries or not, he just can’t play defense regardless.
@@MaximusR93given his effort I think he can be a solid team defender with the right personal around him, like he’ll never be a super positive defender but he could be a null defender or slightly positive
@@omarbojang2602I don’t think so, I mean if he had a bunch of all defensive players it’s possible that you could hide him, but he will never be a positive defender. I’m a spurs fan and I really didn’t want them to trade for him, even Wemby’s cleanup ability couldn’t offset Trae getting torched on the perimeter. He’s got a bad attitude as well, no thanks
Damn. The standard is so damn low that "trying" is enough to by pass the flaw?
He is very similar to Steph in his early days, too small and weak to be a decent defender.
Swear trae young is the first player I changed my mind from being overrated to underrated on. It’s literally disrespectful now how they talk abt him as if he’s even not even an allstar😂
I saw somebody compare him to monta Ellis. The disrespect is insane
Hes not underrated or overrated. He's just good as he is and everyone knows that.
@@tuanas458 1st when he came in “he’s the next Steph curry/ he’s better than Luka/ he’s a mvp blah blah” I’m like 😑 ok
Then “now he’s a scrub/ he can’t lead a team/ he’s not even a allstar much less superstar/ he should js be a sixth man” now I’m like 🤦♂️
Ppl js needa chill on him 😂 stop overreacting
@@akeembrown7661 When all of NY chants, "fk TraeYoung", you know you doing some damage lol.
But man I remember when I saw TY play, I thought he's hair is weird but ok. I don't keep up with bball so don't really care all that much. But then you start to see TY's pickup and training videos outside of regular season, you get a gauge for how good he really is. His play style is really nice and he's doing it all at the top level which is nuts considering how good Jeremy Lin was and now he's playing in China. So to do what Trae is doing for his height and weight is nuts.
The NBA is extremely competitive and TY is dominating it. That's scary if you think about it.
Really the coolest thing about watching trae pllay is for his shear bball IQ because it goes to show how much more important it is beyond all else.
I would agree that it is quite the stark contrast in how the opinion on him has changed on him. However, it is accurate to describe him as a player as some who ultimately can't lead a team, and the run they had in 2021 was shown to be flukey.
I’ll never understand how ppl downplay 25 and 10 😂😂😂
@@beatzbystackz2589 tell me about it. But he's "overrated" LOL
Russ averaged a triple double for multiple seasons and still played losing basketball, that’s the issue
@@andredornelles8014 the 3 seasons after KD left, which were peak Russ, OKC had winning records each year.
@@timbertron1 I mean competitive in the playoffs
@@andredornelles8014well it was just Russ and he's not really hard to stop in a 7 games series as we have seen. doesn't shoot or pass as well as Trae either and has regressed. Trae isn't even in his prime doing this
This was an incredibly balanced view of Trae’s situation. Thanks for the video!
Bro you always speak facts keep it yo great work I mean it
Breadloaf I appreciate that my brother, genuinely
I think a big thing people get mixed up about Trae is the "inefficient" part because they see his FG%
when in reality he's above league average in 3PT%, FT%, Mid Range%, and TS%
the only thing he's truly inefficient at in scoring is his finishing at the rim and that can be attributed to his size, the paint being clogged because of the way his team is built and other things
Donovan Mitchell has a career 45/37/84 splits on 57% TS
Trae Young has a career 44/36/87 splits on 58% TS
difference between them is Mitchell is very crafty at the rim so his FG% is usually higher than Trae and he has more strength, giving him that ability to use the contact to his advantage
People bring up defense when literally most star guards with his volume are bad defenders too
and then people like to bring up turnovers when all high usage guys have high turnover numbers
Steve Nash and Magic Johnson have both led the league in turnovers multiple times, that's the price of being an offensive engine who has the ball more than anyone else on the floor
i wish people would bring up real flaws in Trae's game like his rim finishing and iso scoring, then that's actually valid criticisms
because he's good in the clutch on offense and defense surprisingly (i have stats and clips to back this claim up)
he's a great playmaker, above average shooter, and has elevated mid level rosters to high level offenses in terms of PPG and offensive rating
Precisely, Like with those numbers I showed from 2020, Trae is more efficient than Tatum and Mitchell from a TS percentage scoring more points per game. I think they might be more resilient playoff scorers because of their size but I think Traes had some bad luck his last few playoff series' with matchups and supporting cast. Hes in that realm at the very least but isn't discussed in that way
Dw Zeb, Dyson, Zach and Jalen will save his legacy
@@6manYT i need it
Trae and Risacher playing together will be genial.
And like for luka, criticisms about his defense are excuses to not recognise his talent.
I just say I love this guy because he has a funny and subtle game, that Americans seem not able to like.
I LOVE YOU MAN!! Even going back to the ECF run you are one of the very few people with an objective take on the Hawks as a team and Trae Young as a player. I will always be an honorary Pistons supporter because because I feel like you do the same for us. As a Hawks fan it feels so hard to be seen because nobody watches the team but for some reason everybody has an (incorrect) opinion about the team. Thank you so much for your videos on us.
I appreciate that a lot bro! Yeh I wish I could've made more hawks vids the last couple years but it's been a little rough for you guys. I like the direction you're heading now though with Jalen, Dys, Zach and big O alongside trae. I think those are the right types of players and im excited to watch you guys again. Appreciate the kind words a lot though
It’s a team game, no player is perfect but Trae is a damn good player. A competent team around him and he can contend like he was showing in the ‘21 playoffs
Trae Young has had a competent defense for one season of his career. It was the '21 season when Clint Capela balled out and finished 6th in DPOY voting. Just so happens that the Hawks went to the conference finals that year. Capela has declined every season since and so has the Hawks' win percentage.
Trae is a walking top 5 offense. He's never played with another all-NBA caliber player, and the Hawks consistently finish at the top of the league in offense. Surround this guy with defenders that can make an open shot and I guarantee the Hawks will be right back in the mix in the East.
What’s so frustrating is that the FO has somewhat tried to get those type of guys - that’s why they got hunter and DJ in the first place, but both of their defensive impact got worse once they were in Atlanta.
I hope we start Daniels and Risacher (if he pans out) on the wing to hopefully give us extra length and defense. Bring Bogi and Hunter off the bench for scoring.
And that was still below league average if we have even a top 10 we could be back in the ecf
Thank you for this video. Nothing but facts. The Trae disrespect makes no sense and needs to end.
Trae Young will get his respect in the coming years, I truly believe once he has a competent roster around him he could potentially win an MVP award
It’s his hairline. If a guy got that much money and can’t maintain a hairline, how you gonna trust him to maintain your offense?
😂😂😂😂
Shut up
Ur gay just admit an dlook at mj chaq kobe lebron their hair line are gone litterly
Do not compare Bron to 3 literally full bald dudes 😭😭😭😭😭@@Mr.O.89
This is the guy that single handedly ended Ben Simmons career
Thank you I’ve been saying this for years
How?
@@Gratefulness648 ruclips.net/video/-EHA4UhYuQY/видео.html and also ruclips.net/user/shortsbcq8Kv3XB0A are good examples. its a running joke in the nba how ben simmons passed up a wide open dunk because of the elite shot blocker trae young 🤣🤣
@@Gratefulness648 Ben Simmons was going to dunk it when he saw trae young than threw it to a player behond the arc which then the player missed the shot ruining Bens confidence thus making him like this
@@TGH-op5lq Ohhh ok thanks
Iverson story(albeit less scoring more passing)
Small, heliocentric, hard to build around, does not mesh with other stars, one good lucky run.
W take. Been waiting for someone to bring this up. I never hear Trae in conversations about the best players in the NBA, but stats say otherwise. Spot on with what you said about his passing too. Ironically, despite the league saying he's the most overrated player, I think he just might be underrated after all.
@@patrickcasella curry fans are insecure they can't argue his stats
Dyson Daniels found the perfect backcourt mate in Trae young. He’s gonna get clean looks all the time he just needs to knock them down, and we already know about his élite defense
Confirmation bias. So many analysts and pundits had Trae pegged to be a bust but he’s been putting egg on their faces. So now when they analyze Trae they are viewing him through a negative lens and highlighting his negatives and minimizing his positives. Skip Bayless got caught doing it by Paul Pierce when he was comparing him to Luka when it hit him that they are the same player. He tried to talk about his usage and turnovers only to have to admit Luka was basically the same. He tried to talk about Trae shooting a lot of 3’s at a relatively bad rate only to be immediately reminded that Luka does too. Then he tried to say “but the defense” only having to be reminded that Luka is a cone on defense. Because people said he would be a bust they are doing mental gymnastics to make it so.
There are 2-5 guys who can score and pass on every team. Its doing all the other things on top of that, which is truly valuable in the league, thats why it gets pointed out that he doesnt do the other things. And before you try it, those flaws get pointed out in other stars like doncic too. If you are comparing 2 players with similar offensive stats, that dont play defense, you go with the taller one... because this is basketball.
Calling them the same player is just straight up wrong, though. Luka is a much more versatile and efficient scorer while also shooting at a higher volume. He's so much more deadly inside the arc and in the paint than Trae. He's also an elite rebounder compared to Trae.
Luka’s defense got a lot better this year and is 6’7 230 lbs. Saying he’s a cone is a parroted take you got from some dumbass stat like “blow-by rate” when the Mavs defense is built around funneling guys to the paint. He led the playoffs in steals btw. Luka .382 on 10.6 threes compared to .373 on 8.7 attempts. Luka .487 on 23.6 att, Trae .430 (lol) on 18.7 att. Luka a better shooter and defender. You can hype up Trae all u want but don’t compare him to Luka.
Being 6’7 and bad on defence is not even close to as bad as being 6’0 and bad on defence especially in the modern nba
Also we say Luka be able to guard players like Shai, Harden and Ant in isolation in the playoffs so he can definitely step it up when it matters where as Trae will never not be a liability
The only real difference is Trae is not athletic as the others or marketable . Still great player .
Great video. Glad to see the front office is making moves to actually build around Trae with size, Defense and shooting. Trae will take care of the rest
Build an actual team around him and see what happens
The Hawks are a trash franchise. They don’t know how to build around players, Free Trae
Hardest player in the league to build around. How many stretch 5s and 3 and d players in the league? Them shits don’t grow on trees
Trae Young is one of my favorite players in the league. But the Hawks do not surround him with a feasible team to win. People must forget he went to the conference finals a couple years back only losing to the eventual champ Bucks.
I think his biggest problem is being drafted same time as Luka and since then living in his shadow kinda
How is Luka's shadow impacting his play in a whole other, much easier conference? They can't be better than the pacers
Agree. From the moment the trade happened Trae was a terrible player and Luka was amazing according to the media. It's been the same narrative ever since. Only way to shut these fools up is winning like in 2021.
@@timbertron12021 was fluky. And arguing there isnt a gap between luka and trae is being disengenious. Luka is perrenial all nba 1st team. Trae isnt even always an all star
Luka is miles about trae young in every aspect… even defence!
@@ubadman1 you do realise all star and all NBA are voted on by the media? Which just follows the narrative.
Trae is one of the most disrespected player in the nba...he's been treated like that even before when he was still in college..he always gets all the blame for the teams struggles..i know he aint perfect but i love watching him play...and im always gonna root for him and wait for him to prove his haters wrong
Production does not equal impact. Averaging 10 assists per game is great but averaging over 4 turnovers per game is bad, better to average 8/3 or 7/2. His shot selection is poor. He isn't good at playing off-ball offense. He is bad at defense.
Hawks fans go on about their top 10 or top 5 offense, when they have one of the very worst defenses in the league. That is why they cannot contend. And yet instead of admitting Trae Young plays a big part in that, the Hawks want to blame coaches and other players.
Look past the box scores and the highlight reels. Eye test shows he is not a well rounded or versatile player, and he is not particularly efficient even at what he does best. Various advanced metrics like win shares per 48, box plus minus, VORP, etc show that he is not truly elite, for example Al Horford as a Hawk had better advanced metrics.
If the Hawks can build a team full of good defenders and off-ball offensive threats around him, it could work very well, covering up his weaknesses and improving his efficiency. But that could be financially or schematically challenging. And his weaknesses will still exist which opponents will exploit especially in deep playoff runs.
I'm not saying he's a bad player, but I do think he is not as good or impactful of a player as his points and assists per game suggest.
Dejounte not as good as some ppl think, he had A TON of offensive freedom and slacked off on D. There’s a reason why since becoming an all star, he’s never had a winning season and the hawks were better off without him
too arrogant and emotional
Murray good ..
Thing is for Trae to be Trae he has to be the chef in the kitchen.
Mfs wanted Trae to be Steph and not have the ball in his hands when he is a TRUE PG who needs the ball in his hands and Murray a true pg also.
He probably salcked off on D because of the offensive responsibility that he has. Also, Dejounte has not been on many winning rosters, so you can't card him for that.
If you look at the Atlanta Hawks front office in the roster, that will tell you all you need to know it’s very hard to win basketball games when you’re playing by yourself and your team is absolutely terrible. You put Trae Young on the Orlando Magic. He would be viewed as a top five player in the NBA.
I have to agree with you 💯 percent Trae young is a baller
I dont think Trae has ever had an Allstar teammate. The Hawks failed to build around Trey.
Honestly, the DJ trade isn’t bad but it isn’t the best. Especially if the Hawks want to become contenders in the playoffs. As an NBA fan, I still see the hawks as a play in team or less.
It’s the defense u can score n create as much offense as u want but wen u run into a Donavan Mitchell it don’t matter cuz he gone score on young every play down
i like trae man, his offense is crazy but he has always been bad on d. One could argue its his team but theres no reason they lose to the pistons in the 2020 ladder when he's putting up insane numbers. i feel he just needs the right system to play in. Like the celtics
Good video. I recall starting disliking trae’s game when he started to bump into defenders to get the FTs. I hope this hawks team works better for him
Did you like Brunson doing the same thing in the playoffs this year but being praised for it?
He is too much of a liability on defense..
He's like Iverson. You have to build the whole team around him, otherwise it won't work. Also, being traded for Luka means he will always be tied to arguably the greatest player of his generation.
I think it's the same question Luka experienced, "what have you done for me lately". When they went to the Eastern Conference Finals he was a magician then the team re-tooled but it didn't work. It's a matter of people putting the blame on him but ignoring the deficiencies he covers
trae is good but he is not a 1st option guy in championship team
Forsure, and if he has to be your 1st option you better have an amazing if not the best set of role players and bench in the league to compete
PG's are rarely ever the 1st option. They mesh better as a supporting role
People will say his defense but the real reason is cause he cant play offball
Hes really been one of the best players for years now. Its crazy hes the only one out of that stacked 2018 draft class that gets talked about this way. everybody else is a top player according to fans and media. I keep sayin if he ever leaves atl, its cuz he is not getting his respect he deserves
From a hoxx fan, this is some solid analysis! Great video! Possible reasons for the Trae hate: Got Lloyd pierce fired and LP is good friends with Pop, Kerr, Carlisle, and possibly other nba elites…Bill Simmons, KOC, & the ringer hate Trae…why?: Foul baiting early in career? They think we should’ve taken Luka? Or they’re just idiots with a loud megaphone
This what I think the hawks starting 5 should be
Pg trae
Shooting guard bogi
Small forward Jalen
Power forward zaccharie
Center okongwu
And yes okongwu because he can do everything capela can and can do more like shoot the 3 and make free throws
I don’t really know ow what it is either, but if I had to infer why his value may not be higher than DJ is maybe because with Trae skill set in today game there are already multiple guards and even forwards that can do what he does and I think his size and height and lack of defense (all together) doesn’t help him too well. Vs someone like DJ that can play multiple positions for you and at a height where it’s possible with his skill set on offense and defense.
Another thing I can probably say is why people may find him “overrated” is him being on an underwhelming team and bad situation (which is not his fault at all) and maybe because he’s not really surrounded with the best players for him to hide more of his weaknesses and not have to carry such a heavy load.
From Trae's time playing with Dejounte, I think he learned to play the passing lanes a lot better. Made him look better defensively, his problem is that he gets lost on defense too often. There are too many possessions when he's just not guarding anyone. It forces the rest of the team into last minute closeouts and someone's always open!
Being hones the only thing that Trae lacks is a off ball game, players simply do not win without playing well of the ball
I from Atlanta,been a Hawks fan forever, 1 of Trae problems is for almost every great play he make in the game he also makes a terrible play the highlight reel doesn't show that and he takes alot of unnecessary risks in games alot that mostly lead to turnovers
defense is limited by his physical attributes. this can be made up for with proper roster construction but the hawks front office did not identify the right problem to address. they should have traded for rudy gobert in the 2023 off season when it was looking like the wolves made a mistake trading for him and realized they needed a better point guard. gobert would pair with trae very well because of his defensive anchoring and his lob catching radius. the hawks could have run a drop defensive scheme and funneled opposing players into gobert like how the jazz used to when they had him with spida.
I truly don’t understand how Trae be falling out of people top 5 pg in the league when he has shown with some right pieces he can atleast lead you to the conference finals
OK, he’s a good passer. But the best passing pure point guards of the past are also good defenders, like Stockton, Kidd, and Paul. Granted, there are those like Nash and now Trae Young who are bollards on defense. The problem is those 2 didn’t have anyone to cover for their defensive deficiencies.
Stockton wasn’t a good defender. He played Mark Price was nice, Rod Strickland weren’t none of those dudes the glove. And Dame, Kyrie, Steph, A.I , Brunson, Haliburnton, Maxey, Fox, Luka are all horrendous defenders way worse than Trae. And they don’t put up the points and assists Trae give you.
@@goatjamesizbrixmoneysauce4207Luka and Kyrie literally proved this past postseason that they can defend when they need to.
That is a lie. Nash had teammates to cover for his defensive deficiencies: Shawn Marion, Raja Bell, Amar'e, Boris Diaw, Grant Hill, Jason Richardson, etc.
@@urbaindelva7869 they just hate. Tell ‘em name another guard can lead the league in points and assists that he like, then tell him to bet money that that player a do it??
Crickets..
Tell ‘em bet whatever guards he like that’ll have more points than Trae. Then take that same bet in assists as well he won’t bet..
Trae gone average about 31 this year and 11 assists
Trae is going to KEEP your team offensively productive. So keeping good floor spacing w/ bogi trae and the other forwards as inside finishers or lob threats is what the hawks needed. I still say we need a "big guy" but I think an undersized skillful big man could get the chip
I have said this for sometime, but no one watches the Hawks. If they did, they would see just how brilliant he his offensively and his improved defense this past season. Outside of Capela and Onyeka, the Hawks roster has not had really stand out defensive players. Dyson Daniels seems to be just that and I’m excited for him in Atlanta with Trae. ZR helps with that as well.
i didnt know he was only 25, I feel like he's been in the league for like 10 years
Man I’m glad no teams want Trae Young. I don’t want him to leave Atlanta!!
Today’s NBA is too demanding on both sides for a Trae Young or a Russell Westbrook to be the main option of a winning team. Once you have players like that as your main option, you need to compromise too much elsewhere and other teams can easily explore that. There’s nothing wrong with Trae individually, it’s the impact he has on a system that prevents a team from being truly competitive that’s the issue
Compared to the other guards you mentioned, the hawks aren’t in the media a lot and are the definition of mediocre. If he was on the heat as an example he’d be in more those conversations
So much could be said here…but just one thing I want to point out is what Trae did this past December when the whole world was hopping onto another terrible defenders offensive game, Tyrese Haliburtons. Trae went out himself for that MONTH and AVERAGED 30.4 ppg 12.2 apg 3.2 rpg 1.2 spg on 10.1-21.1 FGs and 4.4-10.4 from 3FGs. He AVERAGED 4 and a half made 3s per game on 42+ shooting for the month. AND 12+ dimes. AND 30+ points. Also got to the line 7 times and made 90%. In a span of 7 games he had 13+ assists in 6. 9 in the other lol. Sorry lemme just read his game by game box stats:
32/12
30/9
19/9
35/17
38/11
35/10
31/15
30/14
30/13
30/13
21/13( such a down game am I right !? Lol)
24/9
40/13
That’s every game he played that month….
24/11 his first game of the next month! In a win Vs OKC hahah
Oh and
Bro wTF hahah. I didn’t realize he had 45 and 14 in the last game of the prior month hahahaahah wow get this, if we go backawards from December, it’s 45/14, then 13/10…but then
33/7
26/10
43/9
38/8
22/13
15/17
27/11
41/8
Bro what the heck did I just read lol. This man is so amazing. He’s historically good offensive point guard
Bring him to the Heat. His one man offense combined with spo’s defense would be awesome
Trae really needs a better roster
He has two problems: extremely streaky shooting and an extremely high TO%. His defensive issues can be supplemented by surrounding him with good defenders. But he has to make better decisions with the ball. He shot less than 15 of his 54 games last season were sub 36% from the field, and 25 of 5 turnovers or more. That just doesn't work for a star player. If he was in Maxey or Murray's position he would be lauded. But he just isn't a #1 guy. I
Hmmm..
The qb who usually throws the ball the most will probably have his receivers drop alot of passes.
Luka number two in turnovers..
Y’all don’t keep that energy Skip.
Skip..
If Trae inconsistent and he lead the league on points scored and assists since being drafted what they say about your player. Can’t have it both ways.
It’s the opposite he’s the most consistent player in the league. He gone lead the league in points and assists this year as well.
@@goatjamesizbrixmoneysauce4207 Luka also scores more, rebounds more, nearly matches him in assists, is better at playing the passing lanes (even though neither is a good defender), gets a block every other game rather than every once every five, has a better eFG%, and destroys him in on/off stats (both box and adjusted).
Trae is a very good player, but he has flaws. Luka has similars flaws, but is even better. Does that logically follow?
@@michaelcarrig627 bro u got that..
You like what you like. I see two players that play about the same ones taller and is accepted the others smaller and rejected
@@goatjamesizbrixmoneysauce4207 What you "see" and "like" ignores empirical differences that are represented by statistical differences. As for Luka, I did not bring him up, that is your hangup not mine. There is a statistic called VORP (Value Over Replacement), It compares a players average effect on a teams production, from points scored, to points created off of assists, off of hockey assists, turnovers created, and anything we can tell from on/off stats. Doncic was second in the league, below Jokic and above Giannis and Shai. Trae was 50th. Most advanced metrics say the same. Sometimes your eyes lie.
@@michaelcarrig627 this year we judging off a injury year??
How about 2019 I got money on it he was way more efficient than Luka and Shai. Since we picking years let's go 20-21 season and 21-22 season and compare Shai and Trae for good measure throw Kyrie and Luka in their for good measure throw Brunson in ..
Trae is good, no one denies that. But why are people saying "build around him", "build around that". His squad is decent and had a good backcourt partner. Maybe let's entertain the idea that he maybe the problem or the coaching? I mean, PJ was rotting in Hornets and Gafford was a no-name center in the Wizards (and previously Bulls). Yet they became integral pieces to Mavs' Finals run. Heck, even DJJ was hopping from teams to teams as well. They even got Exum as a rotation piece for God's sake.
Miss me with that excuse about building shit around him where he in fact had a decent roster. Sure, he don't have a Kyrie Irving teammate but let's not act like Dejounte was some kind of a scrub.
The problem with Trae is that he can't shoot 40% from three and he doesn't have a Draymond.
I think Orlando would be the best fit for him
True. I see the vision.
Orlando has a defense-first mentality. I don´t think coach Mosley would like a PG with no defense. He would help them on offense a lot though
Actually Atlanta is the best fit. Now they are finally building a strong defence around Trae we will see over the next couple of seasons if they can improve defensively.
@@Goxilla Two young star forwards, a slew of centers, a nice spark plug guard off the bench and a pair of all-defense caliber guards. Only issue is how many of those pieces need to go to ATL to make the trade happen? Like, just to make the money work it would probably have to be something like KCP + Wendell Carter Jr. + Franz Wagner, which might be too much. Orlando might be best off keeping their team intact and trying to go hard on getting Tyus Jones in free agency.
@@GoxillaTrae Young really stepped up and bought in on defense. It showed in his steals and charges taken this past season check the stats.
As a person who doesn't buy the Trae hype, I'll respond.
Trae isn't a very efficient shooter. He shoots high volume but isn't great from 3 and really struggles close to the basket. He doesn't have the ability to score efficient shots near the rim like SGA or Luka do.
He gets a lot of assists but he also gets a lot of turnovers. He also dominates the ball and often waits and looks for the pass which will get him the assist as opposed to just getting the ball moving. The best teams shift the ball constantly until there's a good shot. Trae needs to move the ball more and be less heliocentric.
He's really small but also has poor length. He doesn't play with athleticism on defense. His efforts on defense have improved but I still see him take possessions off. He also switches off a lot and loses his man a lot. This is reflected in the defensive rankings where he's still ranked really low despite him putting in more effort. His defense has improved but it's still bad. He's small so he can't help it but the hawks chose to build their team around him knowing his weaknesses.
He doesn't move enough off the ball which negates part of his offensive impact. He can't be shifted inside as he has no size. So when he doesn't have the ball he just kinda hangs out at the 3 point line, becoming useless.
The league is moving towards more versatile balanced and cohesive teams. Boston won the championship because they had five guys who moved the ball, didn't dominate the ball, could switch and play D and could score at the rim and with 3s. That's not Trae. Maybe it's not Brunson either! But it's also not Trae. There's a reason why coaches, GMs, the national team etc. don't rate him. He's closer to LaMelo Ball than many of his fans are willing to admit. He's alone in his flaws, but the hawks aren't going to win championships by pointing out other team's flaws.
I've watched Trae Young ever since high school. He is a great shooter, and I'm glad the young man got PAID but he's not someone you can build around. People expect too much of him, especially being on the Hawks squad. He needs someone to pass to so he can get open shots. He can't do it all on his own.
His hair.
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There's something that is kind of hard to quantify (although usage sort of shows it), and it's how much offensive oxygen you chew up. Trae will put up great numbers, but other than setting people up for lobs, he's not going to let anyone else cook. And with him never being off ball, it becomes predictable in a series. You add in the fact he is the single worst defender in the league and a headache, and he's just not worth it.
This is a false narrative- not letting others cook. Murray and JJ cook
Atlanta Hawks made a huge mistake of trading Luka Doncic for Trae Young. Trau Young is not a worthy francjise player. He is the problem. He's a coach killer.
It’s no problem with Trae He still be the tremendous amount of talent the magical point guard he used to be it’s just Atlanta didnt have enough good pieces to surround him to compete regularly since their finals appearance now that they have the best 2024 picks there is hope again for the A although Dejounte a star Trae better player he can be magic as Luka he unique his IQ and playmaking genius top chart I call him the Lobgod of the the NBA He is that dude 🥶
If he put on 10 more lbs of muscle imo he’d be unstoppable on offense and defensively he wouldn’t be a liability. However I agree he’s a great player
Literally zero movement without the ball…If James Harden can’t win a Chip with that style, how will Trae?
If he was 6’6 they would love him
Hes a streaky shooter, inconsistent scorer, takes baaaaad shots, tov the ball a ton(that comes with his playstyle), and is the worst defender in the league. Thats why teams dont like him.
How is he an inconsistent scorer when he leads the league in points since being drafted..
And he leads the league in assists since being drafted as well.
These are facts.
So if I’m Trae and I’m inconsistent but I score the most Edgar the fuck that tell you about the player you like. That said player a have to be more inconsistent than me if I’m out doing him.
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Wait, there's more facts..
He had documented issues with his previous two coaches who are now gone
He had documented issues with John Collins who is now gone.
He signed off on the Murray trade and was supposed to play more off ball like Steph Curry and make it work and now Murray is gone.
Seems like there is as consistent factor here...besides the fact that the front office is bad as well. Takes more than scoring points to be an All-star. Got to be a winner, and although he has no control over who he plays with, he does have control of displaying the characteristics of a leader. Does he do that? Remember this a guy who stay home from the arena the night his team played because he was mad at the coach. (McMillian was coach). And people wonder why players and coaches around the league look at him the way they do.
@@kj22jr1 reaching.
Let's break this down.
When you rebuilding, you usually don't have a championship team or a championship coach because if you do you're competing 1 and two if you have an excellent coach he costs money so most teams cut ties with the coach in a buyout.
That's why Budenholzer left,he didn't want to be here and the Hawks didn't want to pay him.
So usually when a team in a full rebuild they usually get a young coach to develop players and usually it's a first time coach for the cheap.. He's usually a place holder.Like a vet qb when you have a rookie qb. Like Mariotta in the nfl.
So Lloyd Pierece didnt count and McMillan won more playoff series with the Hawks that one year than all his other season combined always was a playoff first round loser.
John Collins was gonna be gone anyway because they drafted Jalen Johnson who can actually DRIBBLE AND CREATE HIS OWN SHOT.
Now let's get to Murray. Remember when they made the trade. The GM who was making all the moves RESIGNED Because he vetoed the trade,said Trae and Murray a be a bad fit, said Murray wasn't worth those picks,and said he was trying to trade for AD that's when AD stock was low,then he tried to trade Collins for KP and Dallas wanted to do it,but the FO like Collins but he had drafted JJ and wanted KP at the five.
Bottom line you don't know Atl history or the struggle carry on.
Inconsistent bad shots? U blind bro why u a hater
@@Mr.O.89 he was born that way.probably raised off east coast media biased their whole life
Turnovers. 3pt%. Play off numbers
Its because he never made a jump since 2021, everyone knows he's good but no one considers him great
Average efficiency. Doesn't like to move off ball. Terrible defender. He's a less efficient Kyrie.
Thank you…
Trae’s definitely a better passer than Luka
The problem with Trae Young is if he doesn't have the ball in his hands he is worthless. He doesn't move without the ball. He just stands there and does nothing if he doesn't have the ball in his hands
You just said the same thing in 3 different ways.
@@urbaindelva7869 lol
I think it is literally because he's "small" and not "athletic."
Just cause you avg a few more stats a game doesn't mean you're a plus on the court.
It’s cuz he flopped soo disgustingly that everyone cooled off on him literally ruined the game for true fans worse than James hardens arm grabbing flopping
The rook will benefit greatly from playing alongside Trae.
get this man on the spurs
Hawk for life
Hell no !
@@spursdynasty7378 why lie like yall wouldn’t want him he’s better than Cp3
The only problem with Trae is that he is not in my team...
Trae young to the jazz call it in
Trae would make the jazz a top 3 seed
It kinda just became a thing to hate on him. Personally i love his game but to win a championship with a guy like him youre gonna need a lot more around him on that hawks team. But the things that he can control tho he does way above average minus some questionable 3s. Easily an all star in my book
Hmmm, why might he be considered divisive?
He had documented issues with his previous two coaches who are now gone
He had documented issues with John Collins which went public, who is now gone.
He signed off on the Murray trade with the front office and was supposed to play more off ball like Steph Curry and make it work and now Murray is gone.
Seems like there is a common thread here...besides the fact that the front office is bad as well. Takes more than scoring points to be an All-star. Got to be a winner, and although he has no control over who he plays with, he does have control of displaying the characteristics of a leader and it's more than handing out assists which is his job anyway. Does he do that? Remember this a guy who reportedly stay home from the arena and did not support his team the night they played because he was mad at the coach. (McMillian was coach). And people wonder why players and coaches around the league look at him the way they do.
His issue is he’s on the hawks and they have never understood how to build around a star
It’s because his competition is so good (Luka) that his double double isn’t important especially how they can’t reach the playoffs
23 season Luka WITH ALL nba Kyrie couldn’t make the playoffs…what kinda bs is this?
@@PhonyPhoniPhoné they tanked to get Derick lively you must not watch mavs ball bro
@@MorningSovi they were trying to win and make the playoffs until what the last 5 games of the season? That’s not even stealth tanking that’s stinking all year - BUT it all worked out for the Mavs in landing Lively!
@@PhonyPhoniPhoné last 5 games ? You mean after the trade deadline bro bro 😭, they tanked to keep there pick hence why they were fined 700k , lock in twin you messing up
Yea ppl saying haliburtin is better are on some really bad drugs. 💀💀
Too much surface level stats and narratives. He’s good at running the spread pick and roll, that’s it. And he gets to run it all game, so of course he gets pts + asts. Once he runs into a team like the Heat in 2022 that has the personnel and game plan to defend the spread pick and roll, he literally becomes a liability, and gives the worst performance in NBA history from a “star” player. You also can’t just run the same spread pick and roll all year and be a stat compiler and then suddenly be like “HELP” and expect your team to run more team oriented offense all of a sudden and expect it to work at a high enough level against a team that’s played a more team oriented way all year and is a well oiled machine at doing it. That’s the Catch-22 with him though, he’s only effective playing one way so you have to let him play that one way.
We will happily take him in Detroit
Trae Ypung is so much better than hali if you ask me. Hali is one of the most currently overrated players in the NBA. He’s so pathetic on D, but the worst part is how soft his ego is. I was embarrased for him in the playoffs, the way he was silent while doing nothing but then when he started to break out of his slump, instead of acting like he had been there before he started talking all of that weird junk to Donte and the Knicks like “you can’t guard me!”
It was literally the most obvious example of someone who’s been so in their head and doubting themsleves, so when they finally play well they just get SO happy because they were worried they couldn’t hack it, the like get overwhelmed with joy and start just going crazy and saying things they obviously don’t beleive. It was SO cringe. Maybe a simpler way to say it was that it appeared as if he was trying to convince himself he was as good as he was saying he is. Idk it just totally turned me off from him.
And as far as Trae goes, I feel like people just got bored with how good he is, until he is able to make the finals he will just be another young victim of his own success too early on like JT and JB were.
I swear if Trae had the exact season he had last year, but he had never averaged over 20 and 9 before, everyone woulda been like “wow!! What he is doing is so crazy!!!” But since he’s been like 27 and 9 since the second half of his first year, everyone just overlooks it. But it’s so idiotic. If anything we should be even more amazed that this dude is like the only modern player ever to produce these numbers as career averages. And with him, it’s literally been every year of his career( I guess minus his rookie year, but that year he was amazing too) as opposed to some guys with amazing career averages but only because some huge later seasons bumped up the numbers. Trae really been going for 25+ and 10 since he first started to figure shit out.
Poor shot selection
Because he plays for Atlanta
Simple don’t have him shoot as much. Just give him 12-15 shots a game
Dyson is gonna save our defense
No defense
Numbers don't tell the whole story. People hardly give effort in defense or defenders are very much restricted. Playoffs is the real deal. Trae got one conference finals appearance and that's impressive, but that was 3 yrs ago, he hasn't done much since, and that doesn't help his case at all. Also his foul baiting was horrendous, I'd say it's similar to prime James Harden and Joel Embiid and we all/majority of us hated that, the hate is very much so understandable
Brunson twerk fouled bait all playoffs and NBA praised him for it…the League changed the rules to slow Trae down after the ECF run
He’s high volume, yet inefficient. He needs the ball in his hands 100% of the time. Awful off ball player.
Trae Young is the Goat