[MSX] Guardic - Longplay
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Guardic / ガーディック (MSX)
(C) 1986 Compile
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- The NES game, The Guardian Legend ("Guardic Gaiden" in Japan), is often called the true sequel/spin-off to this game. However, according to the developers, the name was established before the game even began production, and the actual design, and even the finished story, has nothing to do with Guardic. The only connection is the use of Guardic’s theme music as the password tune. (source: The Untold History of Japanese Game Developers, Volume 3 -- www.hardcoregam.... So, it's more of a spiritual/pseudo sequel than anything else. Most of the "connections" between two games are just shared things that other Compile games have. Think it like this: Guardic Gaiden/The Guardian Legend is a sequel the same way as 'Snake's Revenge' and 'Heart of the Alien' are to the original 'Metal Gear' and 'Another World' respectively, which were made without the original creators' approval.
- This is episode II of the Budruga saga. Final Justice (1985), Blaster Burn (1990), and Gulkave (1986) are episodes I, III and IV respectively. All these games were released for the MSX.
- The MSX game, Jagur-5: Golden Triangle, has a playable character named Guadic, which is a reference to this game.
- If you press LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT in the title screen, you will access the Practice Mode, where you can practice any of the areas in the game (excluding the bosses). For some odd reason, you can't use any Options in this mode.
- If you press LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT in the score table, you will access the Sound Test.
- Blaster Burn #6 has a stage that is based on Guardic, including the theme song.
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The NES game, The Guardian Legend ("Guardic Gaiden" in Japan), is often called the sequel/spin-off to this game. However, according to the developers, the name was established before the game even began production, and the actual design, and even story, has nothing to do with Guardic. The only connection is the use of Guardic’s theme music as the password tune. (source: The Untold History of Japanese Game Developers, Volume 3)
The victory tune for clearing a room is also used in TGL when a dungeon flight corridor is completed.
Other similarities include similar enemies, weapons (semi circular shots), music for boss encounters and their defeat, and Randar encounters which also use the same music.
Given all the connections listed in this thread, it's hard to not think of these two as connected.
...and the final boss music, and the name entry music at the end.
@@paranormalscholar13 The Guardian Legend/Guardic Gaiden is more of a spiritual sequel than anything else. It's not like Blaster Burn for the MSX2 that has a plot that ties Final Justice (MSX), Guardic (MSX), and Blaster Burn games together, among some other references. As for Randar, he was pretty much Compile's mascot and was making appearances in many of their games.
It's emulated, but I can attest to the authenticity of the game-play. No cheating, no TAS, no rewinding. I've been watching this guy for something like 30 hours streaming on Twitch, playing the game over and over and over, figuring out all the paths, the best way to finish each room and finally discovering the practical impossibility to finish the final boss without dying. Hats off!
Thank you a lot for commenting. :) I will be recording stuff with real hardware when I will have the OSSC to befriend my Elgato game capture device. I do own a MSX, MSX2 and MSX2+ systems.
@@TheMSXChannel Damn it. I tried hard to beat this but never could do it. This game is hard as hell, very different from most Compile shooters.
Hearing Guardian Legend music is so nostalgic.
Watching this is driving me crazy since I played Guardian Legend so much as a kid and I'm hearing the same damn music cues repeated in a completely different context. I like how they got around the MSX can't scroll problem by having the enemies "scroll" over fixed backgrounds.
This game is simply awesome!
Thank you
I totally agree with you. I've been playing this like 40 hours in the past few weeks on my streams, practicing it a lot. I'd love to own a complete physical copy of this one day. It's really expensive.
Uno de mis favoritos de msx
In Spain was published a pirate version named "Legend" in cassette. Good game and awesome music
I'm sadly familiar with that bootleg version by Iber Soft and Genesis Soft. It's badly broken and can't be finished. Even if you could finish it with hacks, there's no ending text at all (only periods at the end of sentences were left 😅). The most interesting thing about it really was Randar being renamed to Wicket.
You can play Guadic MSX version online here:
www.file-hunter.com/MSX/index.php?id=guardic
Just being a little nitpick.... Jagur is not an MSX 2 game. It works on MSX1 without problems. I had played and finished it way before I ever had an MSX 2 machine :D
And congratulations on beating this game. This game is hard as nails.
Who's claiming Jagur being a MSX2 game? Not me. :) Anyway, thank you for the comments. I love Guardic! Yes, the area 64 is great. I have playthroughs of this game on my stream where I beat the game with AND without area 64.
Oh!! I said that in this video description. That was a typo. Thank you. It's fixed now. :D
@@TheMSXChannel Goddamn it. Congratulations indeed. I've managed to beat 2 of 3 bosses in a run, but actually finish the game, I never did it.
AND I DID TRY. :D
Nice multiscrolling on a "simple" MSX!!!! :-)
It's an illusion of scrolling! :) Have you seen Grog's Revenge for the MSX already? That one is even more impressive.
@@TheMSXChannel Yeah, this game does scroll like any other game on MSX... it's tile by tile 8x8 scroll. You just don't notice it too much because just a small part of the screen actually scrols (when its horizontal) and most of the action is done without any scroll at all.
Nearly every "modern homebrew" MSX game nowadays has smooth scroll on the system.
But for some examples from back at the day.... Pippols, Crusader, the mentioned Grog's Revenge, BC's Quest for Tires (it even has Parallax scrolling :D )... all of those games use some nice trickery to fool the hardware (and the player) to do something that looks like smooth scroll :D
Oh, you found the "elusive" area 64 of the game. This area is acessible only the first time you pass through the map. Once you loop the map, you can't access it anymore.
And of course, it gives you 300 power ups :D
There are more same tunes in Guardic and Guardian Legend, I am checking the sound test in Guardic and hear at least 6 same tunes and jingles. Also some enemies are the same, the pyramids in labyrinth are the same. One enemy from Guardic became the boss in TGL. One of the subweapons in TGL based on the weapon in Guardic. Buying stuff in shop from Randar.
Also important, there is Russian interview with Moo Niitani where he was asked about TGL as a sequel of Guardic, and asked are there many elements inherit in TGL from Guardic, and he did not deny that.
Unfortunatelly the second interview I know there was taken by SHMUP Master never seen the light. I don't know if he still even has it. It's hard to get answer from him. However if he was pointed that it was not a sequel he probably would let know of that info in the TGL fans chat. Sometimes he throws a line in there.
And also. In Japanese manual it says ALG - Another Legend of Goardic. If it was not meant to be related to something, why to say that it is another legend?
And another thing I noticed, the weapon which became subwepon in TGL has the same sound FX. Only in TGL it pitched lower.
Thank you for the comments. :) I like hearing alternative takes on this topic.
It's nothing special that there's same elements in both Guardic and Guardic Gaiden, as that's also true with other Compile games, especially when it comes to the use of Randar and the Compile jingle. As for what Moo Niitani says, his words can't be taken for granted all the time, as he's more of a business man than a game designer, although he has done programming, especially in the early days of Compile.
The only thing I can't deny is the name connection with Guardic Gaiden and the use of the Guardic theme tune. I will give you that. However, that's as deep as the connection goes, as far as I'm concerned. Mainly because Guardic's original creator, Pac Fujishima, had no involvement in the creation of Guardic Gaiden. The games Final Justice, Blaster Burn, and Gulkave have more of a story connection with the original Guardic.
We can say that Guardic Gaiden/The Guardian Legend is a spiritual sequel (prequel?) at least.
@@MP83 Randar in many games, but he is not shop assistant like in Guardic and TGL, and note the music in the shops are the same. From what I read the idea to connect Justice Gulkave and Guardic is made up in Blaster Burn. I did not played those, except a little bit of Guardic.
But anyway there too much shared stuff between Guardic and TGL to claim they has no connection.
@arseniy Randar is in Golvellius games restoring player's health for money and uses the same Randar theme as Guardic and Guardic Gaiden/Guardian Legend, in case you didn't know.
As for Blaster Burn: This is what the game designer Pac Fujishima, the creator of Guardic, said in Disc Station #4, whether you want to believe him or not on the retcon thing (translated from Japanese to English): "Blaster Burn is the third scenario of a story called "Budruga". The first one was "Final Justice", the second one was "Guardic", which are games that have already been released. This is the first time when the title "Budruga" is mentioned. It's not a retcon, because I was making them to be a series from the beginning, and the name "Budruga" was added this time."
Unless there's more proof, I don't see Guardic Gaiden/Guardian Legend as more than a spiritual sequel at best. There are some connections between Guardic and Guardic Gaiden/Guardian Legend, yes, but they're not all stricly related to Guardic alone. Compile just liked re-using elements from their other games.
For what it's worth, Blaster Burn, which is directly related to Guardic, doesn't mention anything about Guardic Gaiden/Guardian Legend (despite coming out later). Now, Blaster Burn, that's the true sequel to Guardic. It continues the Guardic storyline, you control a ship named Guardic 2, and there's a full stage directly based on Guardic, with the same enemies and the core boss, and features a remix of the Guardic theme.
It would be awesome to see a sequel to The Guardian Legend made with today's advanced computing, but I wouldn't trust any company to do right by it... they would just cram the thing full of micro-transactions or paywall stuff.
This music ❤
Is there any plot related to this game that has anything to do with The Guardian Legend which is the sequel? 😕
There's barely any connections. Guardian Legend/Guardic Gaiden is more of a spiritual sequel than anything else. It's not like Blaster Burn for the MSX2 that has a plot that ties Final Justice (MSX), Guardic (MSX), and Blaster Burn games together, among some other references.
This is a cheap Guardian Legend prototype that hasn't had all the kinks worked out of it yet. TGL is light years better!
Eh, there's no other game like Guardic out there. It's a unique specimen, therefore not comparable to The Guardian Legend. Personally, I love both games in their own ways.
this is like that thing people say about galaga and galaxian but it makes even less sense