I would choose the 358 for 2 reasons....one I am a big medium bore fan with a special liking for 35 caliber. 2nd the way you have the trajectory out to 300+...and you seem to just like that gun the most out of the 3 you were shooting!!!
Based on what you said about all 3, I think the .358 should get the nod. You seem to be the most comfortable with it, and you know where it hits at extended range.
The 358. The 9.3 is interesting and the 458 is a beast but the 358 takes it for me. I like the 35 caliber and the round has plenty of power, good range and is easy to shoot.
30 odd years ago I new an elderly gentleman who had a 358 Norma, the only gun he owned. Shot elk, moose, mule deer with that rig. He loved that rifle. I tried to buy it off of him to no avail. The old saying about a man with one gun…. Not you, lol. Good luck!
358 Norma, for the reasons stated. Familiar rifle, Familiar trajectory, hard hitting, bullet performance,. You know instinctively what it will do if the range is a tad further than anticipated.
I will always vote for the 358 Norma because I believe it’s the perfect large game cartridge. It lets you shoot further than you should need to like the small bores and it still hits like a Mack truck.
Of the 3 choices, without question, take the .458 win! I would use 400gr swift A frame or 350gr barnes tsx. Personally I prefer to go a little more traditional and have taken bison with a marlin lever action in 45/70 and a Winchester 1886 chambered in 45/90! Classic!
I like the idea of a 458 Winchester on bison. Especially with the 400 grain Swift a frame. Im essentially a big boar guy. Winchester 458 Magnum is one of my favorites.
Anything middlebore, I'm there from 338 to 375. The only thing is a real rifle must-have iron sights if something goes downhill with optics it's still gotta hunt.
Simple, what is best, easiest to carry. Which can you reliably get a second shot with? A back up shot maybe needed more if a animal turns towards you. Also, which can break down the shoulder, not the black death but as close as you are going to get over here.
Used myself the 9.3x62 on a lot of big game and its one of my favorite medium bores. It depends on the distances of course, but at any reasonable hunting the 9.3 will do a great job. Itnhas outstanding killing power, deep penetrating, and moderate recoil. In the rut bison can be testy and very territorial. If hunting in heavy cover under rutting conditions maybe the .458. The .358 Norma if hunting could be at longer distances. The only Bison I have taken was with a .404 during the rut, distances around 100 yards, or closer. Any would be fine, but I pretty much would opt for the 9.3 from having used this on a variety of big game. Asian or African buffalo the 9.3x62 has taken many but I would pick your .458, of your three rifles. My favorite bullet in the 9.3mm is the RWS TUG 293 GRAIN, difficult to find.
The Germans knew how to make great bullets like the TUG. I believe they were the first to come out with the H partition type bullet. The 9.3 by 62 is a great cartridge, can be built in a light rifle. In some African countries it is legal to use on Dangerous Game.
I just found your channel, love the content. I did a bison hunt and took my marlin 45-70. Using a 405g Hard cast at 1700 FPS. Shoulder shot dropped the bison in less than 20 yards. Quick and fast death.
458 hands down. I had the Lott and I like the 458 Winchester. Especially with today’s loads compared to back then. I have a old Zastava that someone put a free floating wood stock on and brass cross bolts. Talk about character. Most of these big bores shoot very well.
I'd go with the 358 Norma. 1) I love the 35 caliber, offers go power and ballistics on a good range of game. 2) gives you a little morre range then the 458 Win. 3) looks like it works very well for you. My favorite 35 is the 35 Whelen, but if I every run across a 358 Norma and it's at a good price it will be hard to trun it down.
9.3x62 because it's a gorgeous gun. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot 300 yards on a bison with the 9.3 if you are 3" high at 100, I would expect just over a foot low at 300. It will out penetrate the .358 too but I think you've already decided to use the Norma Mag.
Although the 9.3 is a favorite of mine ( and you have a fine looking Steyer ), I’d take the.358 Norma Mag because of the greater speed and downwind punch.
I personnaly love the 9,3x62mm . Recoil is mild , action smooth and it's accurate but, you should take the 358 norma. 300 yards capable accurate enough and you love the rifle and you are familiar with the balistics of it! Good hunting and please show us more on the 9,3x62 later on!
Really neat demonstration. I do not have rifles in any of the calibres tested. What I do have is a CZ550 in .375H&H. The 260 grain Partitions I have loaded are good to 300 yards and would easily do for a bison.
Think the 358 Norma is best option do to caliber in bullet weight and range to 300yards still. Only way I go 458 win if you know for sure you get in close say inside 150 yards .
@@north61 not at all I say stay 358 Norma. Out plan on hunting in close then 458 might be good choice for extra horsepower in close in bullet wight and mass
My sentimental favorite would be the .458, but you have not had enough time with it for it to gain that place in your heart. You speak fondly of, and shoot the .358 Norma the best. Since you are leaving Friday, that should be the one. Spend a year with the .458, then bring it next year.
I honestly love the 9.3x62. I've got a mauser I'm currently modifying to be a little more effective (adding a Satterlee safety to make it easier to use a scope, and adding irons, might shorten the barrel as well). Dad and I had a bucket list hope for a bison hunt. He passed this fall and I'd love to take one in his honor.
I have a Husqvarna 1900 that I can probably get a 150 feet/sec more out of that I'll have to rig up for use. Needs a recoil pad and I want to reattach the front sight.
@@north61 Mines a custom off a 1921 Obendorf mauser, 25 inch barrel (don't know why he did that!) but a gorgeous hand cut stock. A thing of beauty I want to take something big with. Too bad I can't post photo comments
Looks like you’re Ready for bison hunting, Looking forward to seeing what you shoot, I really enjoy seeing how thorough you are making sure you know where your bullets going to go, makes me feel like I don’t do enough training, till I remember a 50 yard shot is about Max for most of my hunting, I finally found a place I can probably shoot up to 500 yards, but I’ll probably have to wait till after deer season, so maybe I can do some long-range shooting too, hard to keep open space around here, if you don’t keep your fields bushhog two or three times a year they will grow up in trees. The longest range ever shot a deer is 240 yards that was on the powerlines, and I felt like I was shoot to the other side of the world, most shots a day or 50 yards or less, it’s hard to see deer beyond 50 yards most of the time,
Caribou hunting really got me into 300 + yard shooting. Need to be sighted in super well and understand trajectory and wind...BUT I don't think Bison is really a long range game. I'll limit myself to 300 and feel good with the 458 Win to 250.
The 358's are no longer made but I have a few hundred squirelled away from 250-300 grains. The 458's are made and I cleaned a store out of them as they are hard to find.
@@north61 for sure. Haven’t seen any of those in years. Have some 250 grain 30 cal and 300 grain 338s but that’s all. Just wondering if you’re still using your email account? Sent you a msg a while back.
I think you will choose the 358 for ballistic and your history of this rifle and you seem more excited about that rifle , I would choose the rifle i like to shoot the most , what were the 2 scope's ?
So I've been looking into Bison hunting myself. In doing so I've been taking note of the calibers and effects on the Bison after the shot. They're one tough animal! IMO I'd go with the .458 Win Mag if shots are expected to be under 200m. If further I'd go with the .358 Norma based on its accuracy and better trajectory, but if you can manage to get closer definitely go with the fat .458 because there's no replacement for displacement!
With a larger group I often go extended range because I lose some control of the stalk and more range gets helpful. Pokin about on my own the 405 Winchester or 458 get back into the mix.
Comment by Jon r sundra in his article the Big Swede How would you like to drive 180 grain bullet an honest 3350 feet per second and do it in a mere 22in Barrel or spit a slug having a ballistic coefficient of .425 and developing 4500 foot-pounds of energy. Add to that a loading versatility that spans a range of bullets from 150 to 300 grains you have the greatest sleeper to come down the well-traveled cartridge Pike. The 358 NORMA MAGNUM.
Hiking up to sheep or Goat country going through alder's or heavy brush in Grizzly country I'd have my 358 Norma loaded with Woodleigh 310 slugs once I got up to the sheep or goats I would switch to the sighted in 225 grain Sierra Spitzer boat tail. Sheep are fragile, goats are tough. That bullet would have a lot of authority way out there. It would be unique to hunt with a caliber other than the usual 7 mm or 300 Magnum. As you can tell I'm a gun Looney.
@@craigleibbrand7761 The 225 Nosler Partition is another good one. I find it opens up at lower velocities better than the Sierra for really long ranges. I have used the 35's a lot at long range and a lot of the bullets are a bit tough for low speed expansion. I like the way you are thinking about this !
Take the big .458 because it's the new gun in your stable and you need to try it out. Why not? btw, lots of guys are getting good groups out of their 9.3's with 286 gr. at 2400-2500fps. It can shoot flatter and faster than people think.
Was waiting for "Cleared the sinus. Cleared the other sinus. Detached the retina". All Joking aside the .458 isn't shooting too bad. I'll depart from everyone else saying to bring the .358 and say to take the .458 cause it's shooting pretty well, it's new, and super cool.
Just short of detaching the retina but the first shot is always a bit of a shock to the system. Sort of like boxing George Foreman.... gotta settle into the extra impact!
All seem to have good accuracy. I’d go with the .358 Norma. It has the power you need but is good for long range in case the bison are shy and won’t let you get too close.
@@north61 I've recently picked up a 358 Norma and should be receiving some 270 northfork should be able to get a load ready for for bison season. Got some 250 spear hopping to get ready for moose
As you can tell in my user name I'm a big 35 cal fan lol. Seriously though like you said the big Norma is by far the most versatile so that's my choice. Nothing wrong with the 9.3x62 and 458 Win rounds though. I do wonder how the full stock on your 9.3x62 will handle all the rough conditions and wonder if it would be better as a "good weather only" gun.
@@north61 When I had mine I also tried the 275 gr Woodleigh but with Big Game powder, sadly I never shot anything with it but hope you can get a proper bullet test this weekend!
As for which rifle you should carry, you answered it yourself, when you said, “I love this gun.” Also when you said, “it’s hard to leave this gun at home.” It’s the .358 Norma.
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I would choose the 358 for 2 reasons....one I am a big medium bore fan with a special liking for 35 caliber. 2nd the way you have the trajectory out to 300+...and you seem to just like that gun the most out of the 3 you were shooting!!!
9.3x62mm!
358 Norma magnum. I'm a huge 35 cal. Fan for all the reasons you mentioned.
Based on what you said about all 3, I think the .358 should get the nod. You seem to be the most comfortable with it, and you know where it hits at extended range.
The extended range gets more important with a large party where patience may revert to the lowest common denominator.
My choice would be the 358 Norma because it give you up to 300 yards to work with
I could do a lot worse!
Ruger #1 in 358nm would be cool!
The 358. The 9.3 is interesting and the 458 is a beast but the 358 takes it for me. I like the 35 caliber and the round has plenty of power, good range and is easy to shoot.
30 odd years ago I new an elderly gentleman who had a 358 Norma, the only gun he owned. Shot elk, moose, mule deer with that rig. He loved that rifle. I tried to buy it off of him to no avail. The old saying about a man with one gun…. Not you, lol. Good luck!
Beware the man with 16 guns? LOL
@@north61 hahahaha, well said :)
I think you answered your question when you said “I love it”. The 358
I love em all!
Yup 358 Norma since you've got it figured out. Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat used to take game with 9.3x62 over in Africa. Good luck
If I had more time with the 9.3 it might have made the cut.
358 Norma
A tad better range than the other 2.
358 I think, cause it seams to be a good balance between the 9.3 and the 458!!
Thanks David!
358 Norma, for the reasons stated. Familiar rifle, Familiar trajectory, hard hitting, bullet performance,. You know instinctively what it will do if the range is a tad further than anticipated.
This particular rifle has a rotary magazine as well and feeds as slick as can be.
358 Norma Magnum
I will always vote for the 358 Norma because I believe it’s the perfect large game cartridge. It lets you shoot further than you should need to like the small bores and it still hits like a Mack truck.
It is a beautiful beast of a cartridge
So the 9.3x62 would be about 4-5 inches low at 200 yards and the 358 as a backup gun would be on for 300+ yards. Think I'd take both.
They are all good, but I would go with the .358 Norma. Shoots flat enough, fast enough, with a heavy enough bullet to cover all your bases.
Tempting reasons eh?
There aren’t enough videos of the 358 Norma taking game on RUclips.
I'll do what I can!
Of the 3 choices, without question, take the .458 win! I would use 400gr swift A frame or 350gr barnes tsx. Personally I prefer to go a little more traditional and have taken bison with a marlin lever action in 45/70 and a Winchester 1886 chambered in 45/90! Classic!
I like the idea of a 458 Winchester on bison. Especially with the 400 grain Swift a frame. Im essentially a big boar guy. Winchester 458 Magnum is one of my favorites.
I vote for the. 358 because it seems to be the best combination of power, shootability & accuracy
I think you might be on to something!
Anything middlebore, I'm there from 338 to 375. The only thing is a real rifle must-have iron sights if something goes downhill with optics it's still gotta hunt.
Simple, what is best, easiest to carry. Which can you reliably get a second shot with? A back up shot maybe needed more if a animal turns towards you. Also, which can break down the shoulder, not the black death but as close as you are going to get over here.
Used myself the 9.3x62 on a lot of big game and its one of my favorite medium bores. It depends on the distances of course, but at any reasonable hunting the 9.3 will do a great job. Itnhas outstanding killing power, deep penetrating, and moderate recoil. In the rut bison can be testy and very territorial. If hunting in heavy cover under rutting conditions maybe the .458. The .358 Norma if hunting could be at longer distances. The only Bison I have taken was with a .404 during the rut, distances around 100 yards, or closer. Any would be fine, but I pretty much would opt for the 9.3 from having used this on a variety of big game. Asian or African buffalo the 9.3x62 has taken many but I would pick your .458, of your three rifles. My favorite bullet in the 9.3mm is the RWS TUG 293 GRAIN, difficult to find.
Would love to find those European bullets but harder and harder to find.
The Germans knew how to make great bullets like the TUG. I believe they were the first to come out with the H partition type bullet. The 9.3 by 62 is a great cartridge, can be built in a light rifle. In some African countries it is legal to use on Dangerous Game.
I just found your channel, love the content.
I did a bison hunt and took my marlin 45-70.
Using a 405g Hard cast at 1700 FPS.
Shoulder shot dropped the bison in less than 20 yards. Quick and fast death.
358nm all the way! Because I like caliber’s that end in 5 x) 35’s are the ticket!
.358!!!!
Great choice eh?
458 hands down. I had the Lott and I like the 458 Winchester. Especially with today’s loads compared to back then. I have a old Zastava that someone put a free floating wood stock on and brass cross bolts. Talk about character. Most of these big bores shoot very well.
This winchester can go sub MOA with the right load.
.358! Matter of fact, I wish I could send you the 50 round box I have loaded with 280 gr A-Frames for you to try. Good luck!
Now that's a bullet!
I'd go with the 358 Norma. 1) I love the 35 caliber, offers go power and ballistics on a good range of game. 2) gives you a little morre range then the 458 Win. 3) looks like it works very well for you. My favorite 35 is the 35 Whelen, but if I every run across a 358 Norma and it's at a good price it will be hard to trun it down.
The 9.3x62 is a lot like a 35 Whelan.
@@north61 Their both very good and very versatile cartridges.
9.3x62 because it's a gorgeous gun. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot 300 yards on a bison with the 9.3 if you are 3" high at 100, I would expect just over a foot low at 300. It will out penetrate the .358 too but I think you've already decided to use the Norma Mag.
Although the 9.3 is a favorite of mine ( and you have a fine looking Steyer ), I’d take the.358 Norma Mag because of the greater speed and downwind punch.
I personnaly love the 9,3x62mm . Recoil is mild , action smooth and it's accurate but, you should take the 358 norma. 300 yards capable accurate enough and you love the rifle and you are familiar with the balistics of it! Good hunting and please show us more on the 9,3x62 later on!
50-110 with 600 grain bullet and 6000 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle. It will shoot clear through a bison.
Really neat demonstration. I do not have rifles in any of the calibres tested. What I do have is a CZ550 in .375H&H. The 260 grain Partitions I have loaded are good to 300 yards and would easily do for a bison.
375 H&H and Ruger are both probably the #1 choice.
Think the 358 Norma is best option do to caliber in bullet weight and range to 300yards still. Only way I go 458 win if you know for sure you get in close say inside 150 yards .
The 400 spitzers might get me out to 250 or so but it's still not in the same league ....
@@north61 not at all I say stay 358 Norma. Out plan on hunting in close then 458 might be good choice for extra horsepower in close in bullet wight and mass
My sentimental favorite would be the .458, but you have not had enough time with it for it to gain that place in your heart. You speak fondly of, and shoot the .358 Norma the best. Since you are leaving Friday, that should be the one. Spend a year with the .458, then bring it next year.
Good point.
I honestly love the 9.3x62. I've got a mauser I'm currently modifying to be a little more effective (adding a Satterlee safety to make it easier to use a scope, and adding irons, might shorten the barrel as well). Dad and I had a bucket list hope for a bison hunt. He passed this fall and I'd love to take one in his honor.
I have a Husqvarna 1900 that I can probably get a 150 feet/sec more out of that I'll have to rig up for use. Needs a recoil pad and I want to reattach the front sight.
@@north61 Mines a custom off a 1921 Obendorf mauser, 25 inch barrel (don't know why he did that!) but a gorgeous hand cut stock. A thing of beauty I want to take something big with. Too bad I can't post photo comments
Looks like you’re Ready for bison hunting, Looking forward to seeing what you shoot, I really enjoy seeing how thorough you are making sure you know where your bullets going to go, makes me feel like I don’t do enough training, till I remember a 50 yard shot is about Max for most of my hunting, I finally found a place I can probably shoot up to 500 yards, but I’ll probably have to wait till after deer season, so maybe I can do some long-range shooting too, hard to keep open space around here, if you don’t keep your fields bushhog two or three times a year they will grow up in trees. The longest range ever shot a deer is 240 yards that was on the powerlines, and I felt like I was shoot to the other side of the world, most shots a day or 50 yards or less, it’s hard to see deer beyond 50 yards most of the time,
Caribou hunting really got me into 300 + yard shooting. Need to be sighted in super well and understand trajectory and wind...BUT I don't think Bison is really a long range game. I'll limit myself to 300 and feel good with the 458 Win to 250.
358 Norma, more range,adequate power, and is kinda your fave and you wanna whack a Buffalo with it. Also you shoot it well.
Where did you get those Barnes Originals………….yes I’m envious
The 358's are no longer made but I have a few hundred squirelled away from 250-300 grains. The 458's are made and I cleaned a store out of them as they are hard to find.
@@north61 for sure. Haven’t seen any of those in years. Have some 250 grain 30 cal and 300 grain 338s but that’s all. Just wondering if you’re still using your email account? Sent you a msg a while back.
What's the barrel length of the 358 Norma?
How long before you buy a .338 Win Mag...lol
well I do have some 338 bullets that I could use!
I think you will choose the 358 for ballistic and your history of this rifle and you seem more excited about that rifle , I would choose the rifle i like to shoot the most , what were the 2 scope's ?
The scopes are 19 OZ 30mm Huskemaw 1-6X with an illuminated ballistic reticle and great repeatable clicks.
So I've been looking into Bison hunting myself. In doing so I've been taking note of the calibers and effects on the Bison after the shot. They're one tough animal! IMO I'd go with the .458 Win Mag if shots are expected to be under 200m. If further I'd go with the .358 Norma based on its accuracy and better trajectory, but if you can manage to get closer definitely go with the fat .458 because there's no replacement for displacement!
With a larger group I often go extended range because I lose some control of the stalk and more range gets helpful. Pokin about on my own the 405 Winchester or 458 get back into the mix.
@@north61 I'd bring the .405 but I think you've made up your mind on the boom stick.....358 Norma will do great with those bonded bullets.
Comment by Jon r sundra in his article the Big Swede How would you like to drive 180 grain bullet an honest 3350 feet per second and do it in a mere 22in Barrel or spit a slug having a ballistic coefficient of .425 and developing 4500 foot-pounds of energy. Add to that a loading versatility that spans a range of bullets from 150 to 300 grains you have the greatest sleeper to come down the well-traveled cartridge Pike. The 358 NORMA MAGNUM.
Hiking up to sheep or Goat country going through alder's or heavy brush in Grizzly country I'd have my 358 Norma loaded with Woodleigh 310 slugs once I got up to the sheep or goats I would switch to the sighted in 225 grain Sierra Spitzer boat tail. Sheep are fragile, goats are tough. That bullet would have a lot of authority way out there. It would be unique to hunt with a caliber other than the usual 7 mm or 300 Magnum. As you can tell I'm a gun Looney.
@@craigleibbrand7761 The 225 Nosler Partition is another good one. I find it opens up at lower velocities better than the Sierra for really long ranges. I have used the 35's a lot at long range and a lot of the bullets are a bit tough for low speed expansion. I like the way you are thinking about this !
are the huskamaw scopes heavy ?
19 OZ
Take the big .458 because it's the new gun in your stable and you need to try it out. Why not? btw, lots of guys are getting good groups out of their 9.3's with 286 gr. at 2400-2500fps. It can shoot flatter and faster than people think.
Mine has a short barrel and rear locking lugs so I am taking it easy.
Was waiting for "Cleared the sinus. Cleared the other sinus. Detached the retina". All Joking aside the .458 isn't shooting too bad. I'll depart from everyone else saying to bring the .358 and say to take the .458 cause it's shooting pretty well, it's new, and super cool.
Just short of detaching the retina but the first shot is always a bit of a shock to the system. Sort of like boxing George Foreman.... gotta settle into the extra impact!
All seem to have good accuracy. I’d go with the .358 Norma. It has the power you need but is good for long range in case the bison are shy and won’t let you get too close.
good day, im just wondering where did you get the woodleigh bullets from?
Vendors change but the Woodleigh site has a list of vendors you can contact.
@@north61 I've recently picked up a 358 Norma and should be receiving some 270 northfork should be able to get a load ready for for bison season. Got some 250 spear hopping to get ready for moose
@@moomoojuiceman That will do it!
As you can tell in my user name I'm a big 35 cal fan lol. Seriously though like you said the big Norma is by far the most versatile so that's my choice. Nothing wrong with the 9.3x62 and 458 Win rounds though. I do wonder how the full stock on your 9.3x62 will handle all the rough conditions and wonder if it would be better as a "good weather only" gun.
That 358 Norma is a special cartridge!
@@north61 When I had mine I also tried the 275 gr Woodleigh but with Big Game powder, sadly I never shot anything with it but hope you can get a proper bullet test this weekend!
As for which rifle you should carry, you answered it yourself, when you said, “I love this gun.” Also when you said, “it’s hard to leave this gun at home.” It’s the .358 Norma.
Off the cuff comment 450 marlin
Great little woods carbine but we are going to be in wide open country up past the tree line.