1. Haytham: probably the most charismatic assassins creed villain and also the only villain i felt bad killing. 2. Al mualim: He set a chess board and put assassins against templars for his own gain. a genius. 3. Francois Thomas Germain: I just liked his wit, i think many people see him as mediocre but he also had his own charm.
I think many people dont think highly of Germain because Unity is, well, Unity & from what I can remember from playing through Unity for the first time quite recently, he doesn't actually get all that much direct attention until the last few hours of the game. I also think with the amount of foreshadowing that goes right over your head on your first play through (which granted is one of my favorite parts of Unity it actually encouraged multiple successive play throughs) a lot of people are left with only part of the story, whereas on a second or third time through a lot of things fall into place quite quickly in regard to the plot.
Flavius is a character that make you say "Who the fuck is he? I know him?! From where? Honestly, what he done thought the story, served tea for everyone in evil circle?" Starrick at least was memorable. He was bad as a villain, but people remember him.
I think the problem is that flavious isn’t the main villain. He’s the leader of the order but I don’t think he’s the main villain. I think Cesar or cleopatra is the “main villain” they are the ones driving the plot forward and manipulating the characters
@@Gu5A2The problem is that he IS the main villain or at least person who destroyed life for Bayek and he hates him for obvious reasons and we should feel same emotions as our character. But when everyone is acting like "Flavious, that dog, how I hate him" we just in "WTF-who-is-this" state.
To me haytham isn't a villain. he's just doing his thing. He made valid points to Connor about peace Which is " freedom is a invitation to chaos ". Like Berg said haytham was controlled by emotions. This is why he didn't kill Connor , Rescued his sister and and killed with Jennifer his mentor Templar after learning he was responsible for killing his father
What sets him apart from other Templars is that he totally understands both Assassin and Templar philosophies. He just views Assassin’s creed as naïveté because he believes that complete freedom is an invitation to total chaos. He knows that everyone should be free to choose and live with the consequences but without any semblance of order in that choosing, most of them will ultimately make wrong choices. He is also probably the only one who is shown as the good side of Templars alongside Shay. The Templars under him actually care for the people and the land. He listens to good counsel and is willing to set aside differences to work towards a common goal. He is sometimes unnecessarily ruthless but he definitely is not doing it all for just for power and glory like other Templars.
@@bismarck5537 Yeah he's even more "lovable" (or rather, you sympathize with him more) in the book from him POV. He essentially became ruthless by the end of the game because he just lost all hope and felt like the only person he could trust was his father who died 40 years ago. He came back to America from Europe already depressed from Birch's betrayal and the horrible loss of his (essentially) the only friend. Then he saw how his American subordinates were fucking up and it furthered him questioning everything about Assassins and Templars -- by the end he considered himself neither. He went into his last fight knowing he will be killed -- he basically let himself be killed at this point. He desperately wanted to be right about Charles Lee. I wish him and Connor reconciled by the end, but he was just tired by this point, he just wanted it all to end. My favourite Assassins Creed character by far. I re-read the book lately and I'm obsessed again like many years ago lol.
I enjoy Vieri as the first villain of AC 2. He and Ezio were in the same position, but opposite sides of the conflict between the Assassins and Templars. Ezio just happened to win and, in a way, outgrow Vieri. He was certainly more interesting and more memorable than those toward the end, like the Babarigos. We kill two of them and the bodyguard all in one go. The only thing I really remember is that the bodyguard got the shortest end of the stick in every regard and did not deserve to die. I also think it would have been interesting to see Vieri and Ezio climbing the ranks of their orders side-by-side, having small bouts throughout AC 2, before coming to a head at some point toward the end.
Vieri was a good starting point for Ezio's assassin story line and I think The Hidden One entirely missed the point of him, especially considering the villain for AC2's DLC is absolutely fuckin awful and the only redeeming part of it all was Ezio's speech about choosing your own path forward in life rather than relying on others, out of all the side villains why he chose to go with Vieri still doesn't make sense to me even after watching the video.
@Engille967 I aas referring specifically to the assassination of Marco Babarigo, then the double assassination of Silvio Babarigo and Dante because they happen within a few months of each other in game (February and July of 1486). I also tend to blast through that section of the game, so it feels like they're back-to-back, especially with Marco feeling like a far less important character compared to Silvio and Dante since they're the ones interfering at Carnevale.
Dante tbh was kind of lame. I remember seeing him first time and thinking "Cool, some templar enforcer, finally a true opponent, not just some other plotter with no backbone" and then we learned he's not really a character at all.
I have mixed feelings about Starrick, there are things about him that I like like his erratic and unstable yet funny personality and I actually liked his bossfight, yet there are also things that I dislike like his incompetence, Starrick was so full of himself that he didn't ever considered the Frye twins as a threat even when they were gaining on him and killing his underlings, it was just when he literally was the only one remaining that he decided to face them more directly.
Abbas was such a tragic character who dragged Altaïr down to his misery. The hate for him is completely understandable since he was a stubborn and merciless bastard who treated the order as he saw fit, but in his final moment, he could finally give Altaïr the benefit of doubt about his father's death an was still willing to make things different between them in the afterlife. Altaïr's journey and all the people who surrounded him (including the antagonists) just breaks my heart: it truly shows the misery everyone lived in during those times
Crawford Starrick would have been better if he actually did something besides whine and cry in his like 8 cutscenes until he finally decided to show up to get his magic blankie. The only good thing about about him was his design even though he looked like the most stereotypical, mustache twirling, power hungry British person.
I don't mind how prince Ahmet ws protryed since revelations wa supposed to be more of a search for truth adventure rather than the generic assassins vs templars, so Ahmet being generic was actually a good move so the game focuses more on Ezio's journey as it did. Also I was saying the exact same thing about how revelations ended. The switching of villains to the end of the fight between Ezio and Ahmet was way too fast.
Ubisoft had never really made a legitimate boss fight before Origins (almost all of them were gimmick fights before then because the combat system wasn't refined enough for a boss fight to work) so I wasn't surprised to see Origins have terrible bosses. They improved that immensely with Odyssey at least, albeit there weren't enough bosses in Odyssey.
Origins really made it seem like the final villain was going to be a huge deal, but they spent way too much time in giving fake outs of who the main villain would be 2ithout actually setting up the main villain
My least favourite villain, when it comes to boss fight is the Witch from AC bloodlines. My least favourite villain character is Franchesco di Pazzi, sure Vieri was anoying but at least he put up a fight before you kill him Franchesco just ran away like a coward. Also I wouldn´t call Haytham a villain I think that he and Shay are the only two templars that you can actually side with because they show flaws of the assassins.
Abbas wasn't trying to kill Altair because he was responsible for his father's death, Altair said that his father betrayed the creed and committed suicide and Abbas simply did not want to believe that his father was a traitor and a coward. The rivalry starts on assasins creed 1 when Altair first comes to masyaf after the Solomon temple. Abbas found the opportunity to get revenge on Altair for "spreading lies" and he took it. One of the best villains in this series in my opinion cause Abbas did not want power or money like the other villains in this serious he was only a messed up orphan child with a traitor father.
Abbas began to hate Altaïr when Altaïr told him his father had killed himself, out of guilt for thinking he was responsible for the death of Altaïr’s father. Altaïr was naive in thinking this would give Abbas closure because Abbas though his father was away fro Masyaf, and was convinced Altaïr was lying. This is covered in The Secret Crusade novel.
Both are trash games with stupid stories, clunky combat systems, stealth built off fear of combat and lacking basic features, automatic parkour, blinding graphics, boring af side content, repetitive cities, absolutely terrible rooftop/building design, forgettable and boring targets, retcons of the most basic features of ac.
Only thing I disagree with is the Cult of Kosmos were not fun or entertaining or good story. More than 80% of them don’t even have importance in the story, they’re portrayed as stereotypical evil villains and Aspasia reveal was so anti climactic
Starrick is sitting on a century of Templar control of London, which makes his complacency understandable. It’s a plot point that the speed with which Jacob and Evie dismantle his control is quick, in a short enough time that damage control needs to be done to keep things from going completely tits up after each Templar responsible for a part of society is killed. That’s one of Evie’s grievances with Jacob, he’s not filling the gaps he’s leaving and she has to tidy up after him and Starrick didn’t have a contingency either.
I finished Origins couple of months of ago and I DID NOT REMEMBER FLAVIUS when you were talking about him! I remembered only towards the end of you explaining his story.
I mean, Ezio took control of Cesare's Rome in +/- 4Years and hell, we even killed his banker at his own party and then we got Benny Hill thing where he was running away poisoned and we were chasing him like big boss - it was underwhelming for me in my 2nd playthrough
I see your point and I agree to some extent. However, Cesare's story was written as a downfall due to arrogance and incompetence. He literally had all he could have, but his dreams of conquest all over Europe and wanting to overtake his father as the Templar Grand Master led him to make stupid decisions like attacking the Auditore family even though Ezio decided not to take Rodrigo's life even after all he had done, and not being in Rome for the majority of the game so he couldn't answer quickly to the moves Ezio did, so when he could do something it was already too late because he had no allies left nor support from the Templar Order, only the branch of the Borgia family who remained in Spain.
When I got to the end of the cult of kosmos storyline (which for me was actually very boring, containing like a 100 random members with no impact on the game + 1 significant being Alexios) and it was revealed that the head of the cult was Aspasia, her name sounded familiar, but I couldn't think of a single scene where I'd seen her before
Aside from ACIII's villains and Unity's because it was a pretty generic mentor gone bad twist I literally don't remember a single main villain in the franchise post-Brotherhood. Al Mualim, the Borgias, Charles Lee and Haytham Kenway are the only villains in the franchise I remember and remember well (not to mention I liked em a lot).
I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but Aspasia is not married to Perikles, she is a Hetairai, a freer woman than any Athenian woman would ever hope to be. A high level Hetairai would be versed in art and disourse, would be highly educated, and with a good sponsor, would be set for life.
@@nathanielsoto4291 Indeed, but she was not his wife, which is what she is called in the video. She could never have become his wife as she was foreign and he had years previously enacted a law that meant that any non-Athenians could not marry Athenians. Therefore they were a couple, yes, and some people frowned upon the relationship, as he had divorced his wife to be with this woman who was what we may call, though it is not quite the right term, a Courtesan. Natalie Haynes has a wonderful podcast (Natalie Haynes Stands Up For The Classics) where she dedicates an episode to Aspasia, and I would recommend a listen. In fact, the whole series is very funny and informative.
Letting Aspasia go is the cannon event like wtf ubisoft bad enough that most people played as alexios and thus didn't play the "canon" story but this is just bad.
In my opinion Vieri De Pazzi is actually a good villain because he is so dislikable and dishonorable even in death to the point he's an important lesson for Ezio as a character. As we can see when he dies and refuses to confess, Ezio gets pissed and starts disrespecting Vieri even though the guy's just a body by now. And at this moment he is reminded to show respect to the people he assassinates, even the worst of them. After De Pazzi's death, Ezio staying calm and saying "rest in piece" even to absolute scumbags makes sense and shows how wiser he got.
Blows my mind how the same company makes such bad villains, whilst in their other big market game series, can make the best villains in video game history
Have you really put Abbas in here for real?! From the very first moment I met him in AC 1 I knew that he was an antagonist. And his jealousy for Altaïr made me hate him even more, so It's a a pretty good character I think.
Vieri di Pazzi and the Abbas were actually good characters the first was an evil annoying cur and Abbas is a tragic character that feels believable, he was always at second place and had a onesided bloodfued against his better who wouldnt even know what the reason for all that hate is until its too late. Its tragic and makes for a good villain.
One thing I can say about Al Mualim he's not only charismatic and makes you believe your really people by helping him he might been about power but its how he goes about it, to me a good villain is a great motivation, similar in ways but opposite, powerful can be great but how its positioned not only wanting (boring) to live or just wanting (also yaaawn) power.
Man I was READY to go off the moment I saw someone badmouthing Germain XD - I really liked him as a villain, he was not the best villain, but he was still pretty good in my opinion. Though I am probably biased cause I love his drip and the fact he wielded the Sword of Eden haha.
It becomes obvious when you get 2 or 3 clues of the kosmos ghost but anyways you still need to kill all the other cultists guys to activate the mission of Aspasia
You would've had to killed quite a few cult members to unlock a few clues as to who she is and that takes way more than 30 minutes. She does pull a very villainous and sinister smile though the first time you meet her so if you're being very observant you could possibly make an early conclusion that she's a villain.
Ubisoft always wanted you to hate abbas, and you truly do hate him for being such a manchild and holding the grudge as abbas always blamed altair for death of his father, and its true altair DID kill abbas's father but abbas does not believe that it was his father that asked or well begged altair to end him. He always looked at altair as the one who murdered his father and got away, so yeah his deep rooted hatred makes sense. The fly analorgy is also true, that yea as a player, as altair, we felt abbas is so annoying and a manchild holding a grudge to this date that's why it's a master stroke from ubisoft that the first usage of hidden gun in the entire series IS the most satisfying as we finally get rid of that fly
I actually love Vieri as a villain. He is arrogant, immature, and selfish, just like Ezio. He blindly gets himself wrapped up in affairs he knows nothing about due to loyalty towards his father, just like Ezio. Vieri was a perfect mirror to Ezio at the time, and he stayed true to his stubborn and childish ways, even in death, which Ezio once again mirrors by insulting him, even after Vieri died. If it were not for Mario's interference and future guidance, we were already shown what Ezio would have become, which means that Vieri, as a character and story element, did his job perfectly. We even see him reappear in Brotherhood, attempting who knows what against Cristina, who Ezio just so conveniently, uh, stalked on her way home. Afterwards, Ezio is seen threatening Cristina's fiancee, kissing her even though she's engaged, and scheming just to kiss her again several years later after she is already married, which included deceiving Cristina. It would seem that despite all of Mario's teachings, he could not instruct Ezio on the proper ways of love, so Ezio stayed immature on that front for several years, showing flashes of the childish qualities that he and Vieri both shared As for Prince Ahmed, I was completely fine with his character being subpar, because the Assassin/Templar fight was never the main focus of Revelations. Ezio arrived in Istanbul for a personal mission, and you could feel the impact of gathering the keys and exploring Altair's messages on Ezio as a person, due to his personal connections to Altair in ACII, not to mention Desmond's and our connections to Altair. The Templar impact, while crucial to the story as a whole, was less important and less personal than in previous games, so I believe the ending was handled well. Let the man kill his asshole brother and become ruler. He deserves that satisfaction.We still have the ending that truly matters to unfold, and THAT did not disappoint in the slightest Otherwise, I agree with the other villains you mentioned and your reasoning for each of them. Great video!
Abbas is a good villain for me, even more if you read The Secret Crusade, his feud with Altaïr was because he thought Altaïr had lied to him about his father's death, as Abbas wanted to believe that his Dad died honorably while Altaïr knew the truth that his dad killed himself
i like how syndicate is the inly ac game which tells who the main villain is right at the beginning. ik rogue kinda tells it too but tbh i feel like rogue doesnt have any main villain. rogue makes it seem like there are no villains in the game and that both sides just dont understand what each side is doing. thas just me tho
I totally agree with your opinion on Flavius. The whole time I was playing threw those missions I was like, WHO THE FUCK IS FLAVIUS! "Oh he's that generic Roman dude you saw in like two cut scenes with Ceaser." Oh, ok...
I feel like vieri could have been a better villain if he was given the chance since he could have grown like ezio did and been more of a threat and a villain since he's the first antagonist you meet in the game and I genuinely thought this would be the case but that's just my two cents
Origins has a villain problem in general you might as well be stopping random characters on the street asking “did you kill my son?” “No? Are you sure?” And then the dude that did it is in one cutscene and has like 3 lines.
gotta agree and add to that starrick boss fight, it gave me syndicate burn out, specially when they could see he had the shroud on and clearly using its power, the fact and in the cutscenes themselves evie and jacob clearly outmatched him in combat, they didnt think to, i dont know, yank the bloody thing off him? of course not cuz we gotta give you this bullshit boss battle to justify starrick doing jack all all game except brood.
If we ever get an AC 2 + brotherhood remake , they should 100% give Rodrigo Borsia a better voice actor and character model ... In the form of the superb Jeremy Irons. He will always be Rodrigo Borsia to me, such a brilliant man.
The voice and character model is already great, there's no need to change it. He's perfectly menacing looking while being the mastermind of the whole operation. You take one look at him and hear how he speaks you already know he's the boss and the one who pulls the strings. Also searched him up and he plays Alan Rikken in the assassins creed movie, so he'd be him rather than rodrigo Borgia.
I think the villains or “cult” in Valhalla were the most lacking. And I lowkey thought some of their nicknames were goofy. Like The Compass. I will say some of them were interesting conceptually. Fulke for example I think was the best. Or even that one lady who was teaching herself anatomy or surgery to heal people despite her unethical ways. But yeah the rest of them were forgettable to me.
For me, the absolute worst Assassin's Creed villains are Flavius from Origins, and Crawford Starrick from Syndicate. Flavius was obviously a tacked-on, last-minute decision from Ubisoft whose menace was simply not present in the game at all. This especially hurts the overall narrative of AC Origins, which for the most part I actually enjoyed thanks largely to Bayek himself. But unfortunately, he was given a painfully bland and unmemorable antagonist that was thrown in without any planning on how he influenced the protagonist. As for Starrick, he is just a cartoony black and white villain with not much to his motivations. The Frye Twins never meet him yet until near the end of the game, and this makes his involvement with the two protagonists rather weak, flat, and uneventful. The only thing Evie and Jacob know about him is that he's an evil Templar who wants to take over London and he needs to be stopped. That's it.
If they replaced Flavius with Apollodorus it would have been much better. As Aya gave him the piece of Eden when they teamed up. And Aya makes a comment of Apollodurs having great interests. You could change why he sent Bayek and Aya after the other members of the order, just to keep the piece of Eden to himself. Since the other RPG games have their respective Proto-Templars have constantly at each other necks.
Far Cry - amazing villains - terrible protagonists Assassin's Creed - terrible villains - Amazing protagonist There are big exceptions but that's usually the case
I think the last boss in both odyssey and valhalla are the most bland. Evan king aelfred felt like male aspasia, you know him quite early, help with a thing or two, in the end he himself doubt the order.
Abbas was the most hated Assassin In My Books He was Lucky Altair Killed Him quick with a gun I’d end him differently and in the book he Beheaded Malik From AC1 Altair’s friend
Homie imma be 100 i played Origins fully and i name Flavius doesn't even ring a bell for me. He is so forgettable. As much as i don't like Origins as a game i really like Bayek and i remember all of his visions of his son but i don't remember his killer being there in person.
Crawford is a damn cartoon villian and that one scene with the tea had me laughing. He is straight ip a large ham. Also as much as i love Syndicate, i did not like that boss fight at all. And yeah Flavious is weak compared to the side villians in Origins. The other villians like the Hyena and others had interesting and engaging backstories the game fed to you, so it underwhelming having Flavious be the main villian. Ugh Vieri kind of brought AC2 down everytime he was on screen. Talk about inceedibly annoying villians and i just could not wait to kill him so i would not have to deal with him anymore. I love Eevelations, but Ahmet definately aoured the experience. It doesn't help that the last story mission is so damn annoying throughout. I despise that final mission. Abbas confused me as well because he was pretty much punishing Altier for something he didn't do and killing his ass felt so satisfying.
I think several things to be noted are that not all the characters on the other side are 'villains', merely people on the other side of things. Not only that, they are only as important as the individual we play remembers them as, since it's their memories.
How can you not pronounce Christina Vespucci's name. It's said many many time's through the game. Are you reading a script or do you even play these games?
read all the notes she sends to her subordinate cultists. she is an evil, manipulative, conniving witch. she facilitated all the evil shit the cult did and absolutely deserves to be killed for it. but yeah its odyssey so you can kiss her because RPG am I right?
Doesn't have very good protagonists in general for that matter. All around the writing is pretty mid due to the fact that Ubisoft doesn't give their devs/writers enough time to actually flesh out their story.
I killed Flavius when I was like level 35, I think? I forgot, but I only remembered that I was so pissed by the final reveal and just brute force my way to his evil lair. I mean, sneaking my way to the hole in the wall in his castle without doing any more quests. He's not even that interesting as a villain, and I hate him for that. Even The Scarab was far more interesting than him.
i really think AC origins suffered from aya being the player character to bayek being the player character. so many things just fit so badly. one of y main complaints being that aya kills the first and last target herself with no control from the player. she also did bayek dirty by essentially leading him on when she knew she moved on YEARS before her and bayek founded the hidden ones in egypt (if i recall she already had in italy). it also means some of the antagonists aren't as fleshed out, i really think the devs simply striped the aya commentary and replaced it with nothing at all, if anything was produced in the first place. to me, this makes her more of a villain in the origins story compared to flavius who is basically a generic roman who comes in waayyyy at the end, when the core game is essentially over already.
Bruv, no offense but your hatred of playing Aya is getting boring and cliche. If you don't like playing as her then don't bother playing on Origins. Gods sake it's so simple.
The villains in rpg-ish ACs were all so forgettable. Because of the absurd size of the whole plot of each game these characters should've been given a relatively big amount of backstory and development - which they did not get and therefore became pretty much irrelevant, impactless.
Vieri didn't have the most punchable face in the series. Duccio had.
His name sounds a ring but I don't remember him, who was him?
@@hugorodriguez8672he broke up with Ezio’s sister in the beginning of the game and you had to beat him up.
@@BIGG_BOI_M9 oh now I remember, his face may be the most literally puncheable.
@@hugorodriguez8672 "Bully" is the best trophy/achievement ever with Spring cleaning
Unfortunately Vieri is actually rather good looking, what a shame.
1. Haytham: probably the most charismatic assassins creed villain and also the only villain i felt bad killing.
2. Al mualim: He set a chess board and put assassins against templars for his own gain. a genius.
3. Francois Thomas Germain: I just liked his wit, i think many people see him as mediocre but he also had his own charm.
I think many people dont think highly of Germain because Unity is, well, Unity & from what I can remember from playing through Unity for the first time quite recently, he doesn't actually get all that much direct attention until the last few hours of the game.
I also think with the amount of foreshadowing that goes right over your head on your first play through (which granted is one of my favorite parts of Unity it actually encouraged multiple successive play throughs) a lot of people are left with only part of the story, whereas on a second or third time through a lot of things fall into place quite quickly in regard to the plot.
Flavius is a character that make you say "Who the fuck is he? I know him?! From where? Honestly, what he done thought the story, served tea for everyone in evil circle?"
Starrick at least was memorable. He was bad as a villain, but people remember him.
Yeah, then at the end the game acts like we know who he is and Bayek is personally invested in killing him. Dude was not properly set up at all.
@@codafettThis I consider the entire Order Of Ancients as one big bad. Flavious dont mean absolute crap.
I think the problem is that flavious isn’t the main villain. He’s the leader of the order but I don’t think he’s the main villain. I think Cesar or cleopatra is the “main villain” they are the ones driving the plot forward and manipulating the characters
@@Gu5A2The problem is that he IS the main villain or at least person who destroyed life for Bayek and he hates him for obvious reasons and we should feel same emotions as our character. But when everyone is acting like "Flavious, that dog, how I hate him" we just in "WTF-who-is-this" state.
To me haytham isn't a villain. he's just doing his thing. He made valid points to Connor about peace
Which is " freedom is a invitation to chaos ".
Like Berg said haytham was controlled by emotions.
This is why he didn't kill Connor ,
Rescued his sister and and killed with Jennifer his mentor Templar after learning he was responsible for killing his father
What sets him apart from other Templars is that he totally understands both Assassin and Templar philosophies. He just views Assassin’s creed as naïveté because he believes that complete freedom is an invitation to total chaos. He knows that everyone should be free to choose and live with the consequences but without any semblance of order in that choosing, most of them will ultimately make wrong choices.
He is also probably the only one who is shown as the good side of Templars alongside Shay. The Templars under him actually care for the people and the land. He listens to good counsel and is willing to set aside differences to work towards a common goal. He is sometimes unnecessarily ruthless but he definitely is not doing it all for just for power and glory like other Templars.
@@bismarck5537 Yeah he's even more "lovable" (or rather, you sympathize with him more) in the book from him POV. He essentially became ruthless by the end of the game because he just lost all hope and felt like the only person he could trust was his father who died 40 years ago. He came back to America from Europe already depressed from Birch's betrayal and the horrible loss of his (essentially) the only friend. Then he saw how his American subordinates were fucking up and it furthered him questioning everything about Assassins and Templars -- by the end he considered himself neither. He went into his last fight knowing he will be killed -- he basically let himself be killed at this point. He desperately wanted to be right about Charles Lee. I wish him and Connor reconciled by the end, but he was just tired by this point, he just wanted it all to end.
My favourite Assassins Creed character by far. I re-read the book lately and I'm obsessed again like many years ago lol.
Haythem was sick honestly I love him
I enjoy Vieri as the first villain of AC 2. He and Ezio were in the same position, but opposite sides of the conflict between the Assassins and Templars. Ezio just happened to win and, in a way, outgrow Vieri. He was certainly more interesting and more memorable than those toward the end, like the Babarigos. We kill two of them and the bodyguard all in one go. The only thing I really remember is that the bodyguard got the shortest end of the stick in every regard and did not deserve to die.
I also think it would have been interesting to see Vieri and Ezio climbing the ranks of their orders side-by-side, having small bouts throughout AC 2, before coming to a head at some point toward the end.
Vieri was a good starting point for Ezio's assassin story line and I think The Hidden One entirely missed the point of him, especially considering the villain for AC2's DLC is absolutely fuckin awful and the only redeeming part of it all was Ezio's speech about choosing your own path forward in life rather than relying on others, out of all the side villains why he chose to go with Vieri still doesn't make sense to me even after watching the video.
Ezio killed 3 Barbarigos.
@Engille967 I aas referring specifically to the assassination of Marco Babarigo, then the double assassination of Silvio Babarigo and Dante because they happen within a few months of each other in game (February and July of 1486). I also tend to blast through that section of the game, so it feels like they're back-to-back, especially with Marco feeling like a far less important character compared to Silvio and Dante since they're the ones interfering at Carnevale.
@@writer15131 Ik what ur reffering to and Emilio was a Barbarigo as well.
Dante tbh was kind of lame. I remember seeing him first time and thinking "Cool, some templar enforcer, finally a true opponent, not just some other plotter with no backbone" and then we learned he's not really a character at all.
I have mixed feelings about Starrick, there are things about him that I like like his erratic and unstable yet funny personality and I actually liked his bossfight, yet there are also things that I dislike like his incompetence, Starrick was so full of himself that he didn't ever considered the Frye twins as a threat even when they were gaining on him and killing his underlings, it was just when he literally was the only one remaining that he decided to face them more directly.
Abbas was such a tragic character who dragged Altaïr down to his misery. The hate for him is completely understandable since he was a stubborn and merciless bastard who treated the order as he saw fit, but in his final moment, he could finally give Altaïr the benefit of doubt about his father's death an was still willing to make things different between them in the afterlife. Altaïr's journey and all the people who surrounded him (including the antagonists) just breaks my heart: it truly shows the misery everyone lived in during those times
Crawford Starrick would have been better if he actually did something besides whine and cry in his like 8 cutscenes until he finally decided to show up to get his magic blankie. The only good thing about about him was his design even though he looked like the most stereotypical, mustache twirling, power hungry British person.
He looks ridiculous with that stache lol
I don't mind how prince Ahmet ws protryed since revelations wa supposed to be more of a search for truth adventure rather than the generic assassins vs templars, so Ahmet being generic was actually a good move so the game focuses more on Ezio's journey as it did. Also I was saying the exact same thing about how revelations ended. The switching of villains to the end of the fight between Ezio and Ahmet was way too fast.
Finished AC Origins 1-2 days ago, and I can safely say I HATE the Flavius boss fight.
Great video by the way!
Origins is my favourite game
Ubisoft had never really made a legitimate boss fight before Origins (almost all of them were gimmick fights before then because the combat system wasn't refined enough for a boss fight to work) so I wasn't surprised to see Origins have terrible bosses. They improved that immensely with Odyssey at least, albeit there weren't enough bosses in Odyssey.
Origins really made it seem like the final villain was going to be a huge deal, but they spent way too much time in giving fake outs of who the main villain would be 2ithout actually setting up the main villain
My least favourite villain, when it comes to boss fight is the Witch from AC bloodlines. My least favourite villain character is Franchesco di Pazzi, sure Vieri was anoying but at least he put up a fight before you kill him Franchesco just ran away like a coward. Also I wouldn´t call Haytham a villain I think that he and Shay are the only two templars that you can actually side with because they show flaws of the assassins.
I think that the real villains of origins were julius ceasar and cleopatra
Abbas wasn't trying to kill Altair because he was responsible for his father's death, Altair said that his father betrayed the creed and committed suicide and Abbas simply did not want to believe that his father was a traitor and a coward. The rivalry starts on assasins creed 1 when Altair first comes to masyaf after the Solomon temple. Abbas found the opportunity to get revenge on Altair for "spreading lies" and he took it. One of the best villains in this series in my opinion cause Abbas did not want power or money like the other villains in this serious he was only a messed up orphan child with a traitor father.
Abbas began to hate Altaïr when Altaïr told him his father had killed himself, out of guilt for thinking he was responsible for the death of Altaïr’s father. Altaïr was naive in thinking this would give Abbas closure because Abbas though his father was away fro Masyaf, and was convinced Altaïr was lying. This is covered in The Secret Crusade novel.
HONESTLY Syndicate and unity are sooo underrated i didnt listen to the community back then
syndicate is bad unity is good
@@kyle2kyletroii nah bro
@@kyle2kyletroiiyes
Both are trash games with stupid stories, clunky combat systems, stealth built off fear of combat and lacking basic features, automatic parkour, blinding graphics, boring af side content, repetitive cities, absolutely terrible rooftop/building design, forgettable and boring targets, retcons of the most basic features of ac.
@@Engille967 ur opinion
Only thing I disagree with is the Cult of Kosmos were not fun or entertaining or good story. More than 80% of them don’t even have importance in the story, they’re portrayed as stereotypical evil villains and Aspasia reveal was so anti climactic
I quite liked Aspasia as a villain. Reading all the letters or notes she sends to the other cultists shows how evil and manipulative she is.
Starrick is sitting on a century of Templar control of London, which makes his complacency understandable. It’s a plot point that the speed with which Jacob and Evie dismantle his control is quick, in a short enough time that damage control needs to be done to keep things from going completely tits up after each Templar responsible for a part of society is killed. That’s one of Evie’s grievances with Jacob, he’s not filling the gaps he’s leaving and she has to tidy up after him and Starrick didn’t have a contingency either.
I finished Origins couple of months of ago and I DID NOT REMEMBER FLAVIUS when you were talking about him! I remembered only towards the end of you explaining his story.
My favorite villains in assassins creed have to be haytham, torres and germain
I mean, Ezio took control of Cesare's Rome in +/- 4Years and hell, we even killed his banker at his own party and then we got Benny Hill thing where he was running away poisoned and we were chasing him like big boss - it was underwhelming for me in my 2nd playthrough
I see your point and I agree to some extent. However, Cesare's story was written as a downfall due to arrogance and incompetence. He literally had all he could have, but his dreams of conquest all over Europe and wanting to overtake his father as the Templar Grand Master led him to make stupid decisions like attacking the Auditore family even though Ezio decided not to take Rodrigo's life even after all he had done, and not being in Rome for the majority of the game so he couldn't answer quickly to the moves Ezio did, so when he could do something it was already too late because he had no allies left nor support from the Templar Order, only the branch of the Borgia family who remained in Spain.
I can see why you chose these but Abbas Soffian was kinda harsh. His story is expanded a lot in Secret Crusade. Recommend it.
When I got to the end of the cult of kosmos storyline (which for me was actually very boring, containing like a 100 random members with no impact on the game + 1 significant being Alexios) and it was revealed that the head of the cult was Aspasia, her name sounded familiar, but I couldn't think of a single scene where I'd seen her before
Aside from ACIII's villains and Unity's because it was a pretty generic mentor gone bad twist I literally don't remember a single main villain in the franchise post-Brotherhood. Al Mualim, the Borgias, Charles Lee and Haytham Kenway are the only villains in the franchise I remember and remember well (not to mention I liked em a lot).
I didn’t even remember that the guy that bayek thought was working with ceaser so I was even confused
If Aspasia was a long term romance her reveal would have had more shock.
Facts. Also, maybe they should've toned down on the clues they give you as to who the ghost is.
I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but Aspasia is not married to Perikles, she is a Hetairai, a freer woman than any Athenian woman would ever hope to be. A high level Hetairai would be versed in art and disourse, would be highly educated, and with a good sponsor, would be set for life.
this is true. but they were in a romantic relationship though
@@nathanielsoto4291 Indeed, but she was not his wife, which is what she is called in the video. She could never have become his wife as she was foreign and he had years previously enacted a law that meant that any non-Athenians could not marry Athenians. Therefore they were a couple, yes, and some people frowned upon the relationship, as he had divorced his wife to be with this woman who was what we may call, though it is not quite the right term, a Courtesan.
Natalie Haynes has a wonderful podcast (Natalie Haynes Stands Up For The Classics) where she dedicates an episode to Aspasia, and I would recommend a listen. In fact, the whole series is very funny and informative.
I completely agree about the guy from Origins, I genuinely forgot who that was until you mentioned him lol.
Letting Aspasia go is the cannon event like wtf ubisoft bad enough that most people played as alexios and thus didn't play the "canon" story but this is just bad.
In my opinion Vieri De Pazzi is actually a good villain because he is so dislikable and dishonorable even in death to the point he's an important lesson for Ezio as a character.
As we can see when he dies and refuses to confess, Ezio gets pissed and starts disrespecting Vieri even though the guy's just a body by now.
And at this moment he is reminded to show respect to the people he assassinates, even the worst of them.
After De Pazzi's death, Ezio staying calm and saying "rest in piece" even to absolute scumbags makes sense and shows how wiser he got.
Blows my mind how the same company makes such bad villains, whilst in their other big market game series, can make the best villains in video game history
Have you really put Abbas in here for real?! From the very first moment I met him in AC 1 I knew that he was an antagonist. And his jealousy for Altaïr made me hate him even more, so It's a a pretty good character I think.
Vieri di Pazzi and the Abbas were actually good characters the first was an evil annoying cur and Abbas is a tragic character that feels believable, he was always at second place and had a onesided bloodfued against his better who wouldnt even know what the reason for all that hate is until its too late. Its tragic and makes for a good villain.
One thing I can say about Al Mualim he's not only charismatic and makes you believe your really people by helping him he might been about power but its how he goes about it, to me a good villain is a great motivation, similar in ways but opposite, powerful can be great but how its positioned not only wanting (boring) to live or just wanting (also yaaawn) power.
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Man I was READY to go off the moment I saw someone badmouthing Germain XD - I really liked him as a villain, he was not the best villain, but he was still pretty good in my opinion. Though I am probably biased cause I love his drip and the fact he wielded the Sword of Eden haha.
I played like 30 min of Odyssey and had no idea Aspasia was a villain.
It becomes obvious when you get 2 or 3 clues of the kosmos ghost but anyways you still need to kill all the other cultists guys to activate the mission of Aspasia
You would've had to killed quite a few cult members to unlock a few clues as to who she is and that takes way more than 30 minutes. She does pull a very villainous and sinister smile though the first time you meet her so if you're being very observant you could possibly make an early conclusion that she's a villain.
I don’t even remember 90% of odyssey’s plot 😂
Don't blame it on the game, it's your problem in all honesty.
That's completely your problem then. It's story is great.
Origins is the best one off the RPG games 😅
Ubisoft always wanted you to hate abbas, and you truly do hate him for being such a manchild and holding the grudge as abbas always blamed altair for death of his father, and its true altair DID kill abbas's father but abbas does not believe that it was his father that asked or well begged altair to end him. He always looked at altair as the one who murdered his father and got away, so yeah his deep rooted hatred makes sense. The fly analorgy is also true, that yea as a player, as altair, we felt abbas is so annoying and a manchild holding a grudge to this date that's why it's a master stroke from ubisoft that the first usage of hidden gun in the entire series IS the most satisfying as we finally get rid of that fly
I actually love Vieri as a villain. He is arrogant, immature, and selfish, just like Ezio. He blindly gets himself wrapped up in affairs he knows nothing about due to loyalty towards his father, just like Ezio.
Vieri was a perfect mirror to Ezio at the time, and he stayed true to his stubborn and childish ways, even in death, which Ezio once again mirrors by insulting him, even after Vieri died. If it were not for Mario's interference and future guidance, we were already shown what Ezio would have become, which means that Vieri, as a character and story element, did his job perfectly.
We even see him reappear in Brotherhood, attempting who knows what against Cristina, who Ezio just so conveniently, uh, stalked on her way home. Afterwards, Ezio is seen threatening Cristina's fiancee, kissing her even though she's engaged, and scheming just to kiss her again several years later after she is already married, which included deceiving Cristina. It would seem that despite all of Mario's teachings, he could not instruct Ezio on the proper ways of love, so Ezio stayed immature on that front for several years, showing flashes of the childish qualities that he and Vieri both shared
As for Prince Ahmed, I was completely fine with his character being subpar, because the Assassin/Templar fight was never the main focus of Revelations. Ezio arrived in Istanbul for a personal mission, and you could feel the impact of gathering the keys and exploring Altair's messages on Ezio as a person, due to his personal connections to Altair in ACII, not to mention Desmond's and our connections to Altair. The Templar impact, while crucial to the story as a whole, was less important and less personal than in previous games, so I believe the ending was handled well. Let the man kill his asshole brother and become ruler. He deserves that satisfaction.We still have the ending that truly matters to unfold, and THAT did not disappoint in the slightest
Otherwise, I agree with the other villains you mentioned and your reasoning for each of them.
Great video!
Abbas is a good villain for me, even more if you read The Secret Crusade, his feud with Altaïr was because he thought Altaïr had lied to him about his father's death, as Abbas wanted to believe that his Dad died honorably while Altaïr knew the truth that his dad killed himself
i like how syndicate is the inly ac game which tells who the main villain is right at the beginning. ik rogue kinda tells it too but tbh i feel like rogue doesnt have any main villain. rogue makes it seem like there are no villains in the game and that both sides just dont understand what each side is doing. thas just me tho
I totally agree with your opinion on Flavius. The whole time I was playing threw those missions I was like, WHO THE FUCK IS FLAVIUS!
"Oh he's that generic Roman dude you saw in like two cut scenes with Ceaser." Oh, ok...
It’s been 17 hours since this video came out. Do you remember Aspasia? I don’t.
So I'm the only guy on the planet who thinks those lute players were the real villains.
I get what you mean behind some of your choices in this video. Others not so much. I guess we've got slightly different idea's on villains we hate.
Flavius was pretty bad because I had no idea when he had become the main villain. Suddenly he just was.
I feel like vieri could have been a better villain if he was given the chance since he could have grown like ezio did and been more of a threat and a villain since he's the first antagonist you meet in the game and I genuinely thought this would be the case but that's just my two cents
Origins has a villain problem in general you might as well be stopping random characters on the street asking
“did you kill my son?” “No?
Are you sure?”
And then the dude that did it is in one cutscene and has like 3 lines.
gotta agree and add to that starrick boss fight, it gave me syndicate burn out, specially when they could see he had the shroud on and clearly using its power, the fact and in the cutscenes themselves evie and jacob clearly outmatched him in combat, they didnt think to, i dont know, yank the bloody thing off him? of course not cuz we gotta give you this bullshit boss battle to justify starrick doing jack all all game except brood.
Ac 3 had the best vilians🤘🤘🤘🤘
Underated opinion but I agree
Absolutely.
If we ever get an AC 2 + brotherhood remake , they should 100% give Rodrigo Borsia a better voice actor and character model ... In the form of the superb Jeremy Irons. He will always be Rodrigo Borsia to me, such a brilliant man.
The voice and character model is already great, there's no need to change it. He's perfectly menacing looking while being the mastermind of the whole operation. You take one look at him and hear how he speaks you already know he's the boss and the one who pulls the strings. Also searched him up and he plays Alan Rikken in the assassins creed movie, so he'd be him rather than rodrigo Borgia.
6:55 “They really did shit the bed”
On some Amber Heard type shit
I think the villains or “cult” in Valhalla were the most lacking. And I lowkey thought some of their nicknames were goofy. Like The Compass.
I will say some of them were interesting conceptually. Fulke for example I think was the best. Or even that one lady who was teaching herself anatomy or surgery to heal people despite her unethical ways.
But yeah the rest of them were forgettable to me.
What I don’t get about flavius is why did killing g some random guys kid give him the top rank in the order of ancients in tear game
For me, the absolute worst Assassin's Creed villains are Flavius from Origins, and Crawford Starrick from Syndicate.
Flavius was obviously a tacked-on, last-minute decision from Ubisoft whose menace was simply not present in the game at all. This especially hurts the overall narrative of AC Origins, which for the most part I actually enjoyed thanks largely to Bayek himself. But unfortunately, he was given a painfully bland and unmemorable antagonist that was thrown in without any planning on how he influenced the protagonist.
As for Starrick, he is just a cartoony black and white villain with not much to his motivations. The Frye Twins never meet him yet until near the end of the game, and this makes his involvement with the two protagonists rather weak, flat, and uneventful. The only thing Evie and Jacob know about him is that he's an evil Templar who wants to take over London and he needs to be stopped. That's it.
If they replaced Flavius with Apollodorus it would have been much better. As Aya gave him the piece of Eden when they teamed up. And Aya makes a comment of Apollodurs having great interests.
You could change why he sent Bayek and Aya after the other members of the order, just to keep the piece of Eden to himself. Since the other RPG games have their respective Proto-Templars have constantly at each other necks.
Far Cry - amazing villains - terrible protagonists
Assassin's Creed - terrible villains - Amazing protagonist
There are big exceptions but that's usually the case
I think the last boss in both odyssey and valhalla are the most bland. Evan king aelfred felt like male aspasia, you know him quite early, help with a thing or two, in the end he himself doubt the order.
Abbas was the most hated Assassin In My Books He was Lucky Altair Killed Him quick with a gun I’d end him differently and in the book he Beheaded Malik From AC1 Altair’s friend
Also Germain from AC unity was a pretty bad villain...i don't know why I just didn't liked him nor hated him, I felt totally apathetic about him
Homie imma be 100 i played Origins fully and i name Flavius doesn't even ring a bell for me. He is so forgettable. As much as i don't like Origins as a game i really like Bayek and i remember all of his visions of his son but i don't remember his killer being there in person.
What's a flavius again?
Abbass is really made by reading Secret Crusade
Vieri was good because he puts into perspective how much Ezio changes. By endgame he seems pathetic
Crawford is a damn cartoon villian and that one scene with the tea had me laughing. He is straight ip a large ham. Also as much as i love Syndicate, i did not like that boss fight at all.
And yeah Flavious is weak compared to the side villians in Origins. The other villians like the Hyena and others had interesting and engaging backstories the game fed to you, so it underwhelming having Flavious be the main villian.
Ugh Vieri kind of brought AC2 down everytime he was on screen. Talk about inceedibly annoying villians and i just could not wait to kill him so i would not have to deal with him anymore.
I love Eevelations, but Ahmet definately aoured the experience. It doesn't help that the last story mission is so damn annoying throughout. I despise that final mission.
Abbas confused me as well because he was pretty much punishing Altier for something he didn't do and killing his ass felt so satisfying.
Cesare with the Italian accent and Flavius with the Bri’ish accent lol
I think several things to be noted are that not all the characters on the other side are 'villains', merely people on the other side of things. Not only that, they are only as important as the individual we play remembers them as, since it's their memories.
Wheres the infamous Uberto Alberti??
flavius is the biggest letdown in origins,he's also the worst and most forgettable villain i really thought septimius was the main villain .
Pretty much many of villains from Odyssey and Valhalla is pretty weak in my opinion
I feel like Al Mualim and Haytham get the tie for best villain.
For me the second Starrick killed his own man in a fit of rage I knew he was a bad villain. So corny when they do that
Origins is my favorite ac game I have 100% it and I have no clue who tf Flavius is I swear I have not fought him
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Im sorry to disappoint you but crawford is the best templar better than kenway
Elaborate with me here. Give reasons
@@TheHiddenOne690 im not in the mood to write to much. He is an intellectual educated ruthless templar to put it very short.
@@TheHiddenOne690 play the game when you are 30 years old again and you will see the whole series with other eyes no offense mate
@@TheOlimpian666 Imo Crawford felt like a cliché villain straight from a cartoon lmao
Figured 😁
You can "romance" benny in new vegas
So vieri is your least favourite which means he is a very good villain
I mentioned not even 20 seconds in. "no particular order"
Starrick wasn't that bad to me, I dislike Maxwell Roth.
Crawford Starrick might be my least favorite. He's just such a cartoon and the mustache is just ridiculous. Literally a mustache twirling villain lol.
You are wrong, vieri the 🐐🐐🐐🐐
best villians are
Al muallim
Basim Ibn Ishaq
Cesare and Rodrigo Borgia
Haytham Kenway
I like all of them and even knowing bad they are as villains 🦹♂️ and the good ones I feel were the hyena and al mualim and the rest not that good
Just glad Valhalla wasn't on here since it get some much crap.
How can you not pronounce Christina Vespucci's name. It's said many many time's through the game. Are you reading a script or do you even play these games?
Shut up.
Cant believe you find vierre mpre irritating than jacob
aspasia didn't even feel like a villain
read all the notes she sends to her subordinate cultists. she is an evil, manipulative, conniving witch. she facilitated all the evil shit the cult did and absolutely deserves to be killed for it. but yeah its odyssey so you can kiss her because RPG am I right?
Man, Vieri was such an annoying brat
Assassins Creed doesn’t have very good villains in general.
Doesn't have very good protagonists in general for that matter. All around the writing is pretty mid due to the fact that Ubisoft doesn't give their devs/writers enough time to actually flesh out their story.
Aspasia doesn't count. That game's not even a true Assassin's Creed game
Some of the villain in origin are scum
I killed Flavius when I was like level 35, I think? I forgot, but I only remembered that I was so pissed by the final reveal and just brute force my way to his evil lair. I mean, sneaking my way to the hole in the wall in his castle without doing any more quests.
He's not even that interesting as a villain, and I hate him for that. Even The Scarab was far more interesting than him.
i really think AC origins suffered from aya being the player character to bayek being the player character. so many things just fit so badly. one of y main complaints being that aya kills the first and last target herself with no control from the player. she also did bayek dirty by essentially leading him on when she knew she moved on YEARS before her and bayek founded the hidden ones in egypt (if i recall she already had in italy). it also means some of the antagonists aren't as fleshed out, i really think the devs simply striped the aya commentary and replaced it with nothing at all, if anything was produced in the first place. to me, this makes her more of a villain in the origins story compared to flavius who is basically a generic roman who comes in waayyyy at the end, when the core game is essentially over already.
Bruv, no offense but your hatred of playing Aya is getting boring and cliche.
If you don't like playing as her then don't bother playing on Origins. Gods sake it's so simple.
@@RRai2000 i don't recall ever talking to you about it and if you don't like it you can go suck an egg or something.
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Flavius is the only reason why I don't play NG+ in Origins.
The villains in rpg-ish ACs were all so forgettable. Because of the absurd size of the whole plot of each game these characters should've been given a relatively big amount of backstory and development - which they did not get and therefore became pretty much irrelevant, impactless.
The rpg games have some really forgettable villains