@Classic Sonic Styllee If the player cant figure it out with clues and in game cues, then yes that is the definition of poor game design. This game has no way to indicate to the player to kick vs homing attack. Its all trial and error, smash your head agains the wall until you stumble on the correct answer by mistake.
@@Mhytron but the difference here is that flying kick doesnt do anything. what is needed is a charged homing attack. something that they dont tell you about. atleast from my knowledge
GUARD CRUSH! They really could have introduced the fully charged homing attack properly. Let alone tell you it can "stack" up to seven times for Zavok!
Nice job showing Zavok who's boss and have you noticed that out of all the bosses including Eggman, Zavok is actually the only one who provides a decent challenge?
That really all comes down to the player him-or herself. Personally, Zor in Silent Forest Zone 4 gave me major problems, and rushing Master Zik both times you face him also causes me trouble.
A lot of the songs in this game make me think of music from other games. Windy Hill Zone 2 makes me think of the Yoshi's Island games (before Yoshi's Island Zone became a thing). Fruit Archipelago makes me think of Super Mario Sunshine. Island Relics makes me think of Donkey Kong Country. Snowball Waltz evokes Mario Party for me. There are so many, it seems to be intentional.
You see me actually use the Magenta Rhythm in the following video, for Silent Forest Zone 2. The reason why I don't use Wisp powers much is because they, more often than not, waste time. Since S-Ranks are determined solely by how quickly you reach the end, and they're amazingly strict this time around, I can't afford to lose precious seconds using the Wisps. You will see me use the Cyan Laser again in Silent Forest Zone 3 and the Orange Rocket in Tropical Coast Zones 2 and 4, by the way. The latter is actually used in its boss fights.
@@Overhazard It's not that strict but you need to take advantage of some opportunities throughout the level. It should be possible to beat your time by about 30s or so without that much effort. For example, you can spin dash up walls, you can avoid that bomb guy in the beginning, you can go to the right and drop straight down at the part with the rotating firebars, etc. You can also beat zavok a touch faster by jumping over him as he gets to the dragon's head so he punches to the right instead of the left, that way you only have to hit him once. Still not worth using the wisp tho (decade later reply lol)
Man Zavok is slow. By the way that rushing punch attack he uses is like Terry's burn knuckle from king of fighters. Just another reference I've noticed
Heh, that rushing punch seems to be a staple of fighting game moves--I just couldn't remember if Street Fighter has anything that looks similar. (Is King of Fighters big enough to have created staple moves of the genre?)
This level is pretty good but the Zavok boss fight is just so poorly designed. The charged homing attack mechanic is vital especially in time attack mode but its never properly explained to the player, and delivering the final blow is just a pain in the ass because Zavok will sometimes defend himself regardless of how much you charged the homing attack.
***** Well, you've already answered the question: All you have to do is stand there. As long as Sonic is facing Zavok, he will charge up the Homing Attack automatically when Zavok is vulnerable.
@@Overhazard Yeah. Never mentioned once, never required once, and then suddenly needed in a boss battle - and the player is STILL not told about it. The epitome of bad game design. Otherwise I'm really enjoying Sonic Lost World, but it does have a really bad habit of not explaining or showcasing its controls well.
I'd beg to differ in that I think there are way worse examples of game design out there that pervade an entire game. Coming to mind was Sierra's habit of allowing you to continue after making a wrong decision that renders the game unwinnable some hours later. The most infamous example occurs in one of the Space Quest games: at one point, the story requires you buy a hovercraft. If you accept the dealer's initial price, you will get the hovercraft and nothing else. Turn it down once, and he'll lower the price. Turn it down a second time, and he'll throw in a jetpack. Turn it down a third time, and he'll replace the jetpack with a more expensive item. You will need the jetpack near the end of the game, and this is your only chance to get that jetpack--by the time you need it, you can no longer get one from the dealer. You need to have known ahead of time that you'll need that jetpack. (You can also sell that jetpack for cash, and some characters will encourage you to do so...which, of course, also renders you unable to complete the game.) I personally don't like it at all, but a lot of Sierra's fans back in the day loved it. They felt that these games would be too easy otherwise. (The Sonic games are no stranger to omitting crucial controls though. Sonic 3's infamous "Spinning Barrel of Doom" in Carnival Night Act 2 got so many people stuck that SEGA's phone help hotline gave out that tip for free while you were on hold.)
Can anyone tell me how to get the deadly six bonus level? We purchased sonic lost world as a wii u download and the only available add on content is yoshi and zelda level. Have read you have to download it but unsure if we purchased the game with it already on it. Do you have to unlock anything or is it just there? Thanks
It was part of the first physical run of the game, which meant they were only available inside physical copies of the game when it first came out. These games, inside the boxes, had a slip of paper with a download code on it. You could try asking around to see if anyone has any unused download codes, but it will be hard to find.
Please can anyone tell me the buttons needed to do a homing attack? My son is desperate to get past this level but can't find how to do a homing attack at the last bit to push him off the edge.
I'm surprised he was able to get this far without needing the Homing Attack, but in order to do so, when there are target reticules over someone or something, press A for Sonic to jump and press A again for Sonic to hit everything with a reticule over it.
+Samantha hessner ME TOO IAM STUVK AT THE LAST BIT! I AM PLAYING THE PC VERSION WITH THE 360 CONTROLLER. WHEN HE IS ABOUT TO FELL FROM THE DRAGON I JUMP INTO HIM BUT HE JUST DOGE THE ATTACK! WHAT TO DO?!
It's definitely not as big as street fighter and I hear Snk playmore hasn't been doing well recently. But I'd say king of fighters is big enough to have left it's own impact. As for the move I also some similarity to Yun's rush punch from street fighter too, now that you mention it.
Hey Overhazard just wanted to tell you this it's actually the Light Speed Attack not the Homing Attack in the game the makers flubbed and called it the wrong name or didn't know about it.
***** The Information is in the game the mechanics for it work simaler to the Light Speed Attack in Sonic Heroes we have even put it as the Light Speed Attack over on the Sonic News Network they just called it by the wrong name.
***** Perform the move they call the Homing Attack it locks on to multiply foes at once which is what the Light Speed Attack does If you want to know all the details about it reading the article for it on the Sonic News Network is much faster then waiting for me to explain it in the comments section.
I mean where in the games you're seeing this. That way, I can replicate it myself. I already know you are an editor at the Sonic News Network, so you listing that as a source is like listing yourself as a source.
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THAT WAS ALL I HAD TO DO?! I'VE BEEN STUCK ON THIS DANG BOSS FOR 3 YEARS!!!!!!
LSSJOrangeLightning z. Same bro your not alone
Yeah i had to go here to find out what to do. Such poor game design.
@Classic Sonic Styllee If the player cant figure it out with clues and in game cues, then yes that is the definition of poor game design.
This game has no way to indicate to the player to kick vs homing attack. Its all trial and error, smash your head agains the wall until you stumble on the correct answer by mistake.
The whole game goes like 'if you cant attack someone with homing attack, then kick them'. If you dont get it you should pay more attention.
@@Mhytron but the difference here is that flying kick doesnt do anything. what is needed is a charged homing attack. something that they dont tell you about. atleast from my knowledge
I love everything about this level. The buildup to the boss, the atmosphere, the music, the boss, just *EVERYTHING* about this level
GUARD CRUSH!
They really could have introduced the fully charged homing attack properly. Let alone tell you it can "stack" up to seven times for Zavok!
Yeah, this game has the little hint things as usual, but it isn't used to let you know about the charged attacks.
This game doesan awful job of explaining how to do things.
So frustrating.
The way Zavoc runs xD
Ok the ghosts were very confusing I didn’t know how to deal with them, the sliding section was very slippery
Nice job showing Zavok who's boss and have you noticed that out of all the bosses including Eggman, Zavok is actually the only one who provides a decent challenge?
That really all comes down to the player him-or herself. Personally, Zor in Silent Forest Zone 4 gave me major problems, and rushing Master Zik both times you face him also causes me trouble.
@@Overhazard 𝖍𝖔𝖜
THANK YOU I WAS SO CONFUSED. Suddenly you have t charge.up a whole bunch more at the end!
Yeah, you have to launch a fully-charged Homing Attack, or Zavok will just get right back up.
The music gives me some Castlevania vibes for some reason.
A lot of the songs in this game make me think of music from other games. Windy Hill Zone 2 makes me think of the Yoshi's Island games (before Yoshi's Island Zone became a thing). Fruit Archipelago makes me think of Super Mario Sunshine. Island Relics makes me think of Donkey Kong Country. Snowball Waltz evokes Mario Party for me. There are so many, it seems to be intentional.
Is there any reason why you don't use Whisp powers that often? The ony you got here looked new, so I was interested in seeing it.
You see me actually use the Magenta Rhythm in the following video, for Silent Forest Zone 2.
The reason why I don't use Wisp powers much is because they, more often than not, waste time. Since S-Ranks are determined solely by how quickly you reach the end, and they're amazingly strict this time around, I can't afford to lose precious seconds using the Wisps.
You will see me use the Cyan Laser again in Silent Forest Zone 3 and the Orange Rocket in Tropical Coast Zones 2 and 4, by the way. The latter is actually used in its boss fights.
@@Overhazard It's not that strict but you need to take advantage of some opportunities throughout the level. It should be possible to beat your time by about 30s or so without that much effort. For example, you can spin dash up walls, you can avoid that bomb guy in the beginning, you can go to the right and drop straight down at the part with the rotating firebars, etc. You can also beat zavok a touch faster by jumping over him as he gets to the dragon's head so he punches to the right instead of the left, that way you only have to hit him once. Still not worth using the wisp tho
(decade later reply lol)
Wisps are way better in the 3DS version. They actually help Sonic go through the level and look for hidden objects
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Even though they're from SA2 and different species.
HOW DO YOU GIVE HIM THE LAST HIT>! WHEN HE IS ABOUT TO FELL FROM THE DRAGON AND I ATTACK HIM HE DOGE THE ATTACK! HOW TO KILL HIM??!
+SHREDDER OROKUSAKI Charge up the Homing Attack to its maximum strength. I explained it in more detail in the description.
I am playing the pc version with 360 controller.
A button is for normal attack and A+X is for homming attack.
SHREDDER OROKUSAKI
Yes, and the Homing Attack mechanics and how Zavok reacts to them should still be the same.
@@shredderorokusaki6848 in normal the max strength is 3 but in the last 2 hits they are much more, i had the same problem but Overhazard Helped me
Man Zavok is slow. By the way that rushing punch attack he uses is like Terry's burn knuckle from king of fighters. Just another reference I've noticed
Heh, that rushing punch seems to be a staple of fighting game moves--I just couldn't remember if Street Fighter has anything that looks similar. (Is King of Fighters big enough to have created staple moves of the genre?)
This level is pretty good but the Zavok boss fight is just so poorly designed. The charged homing attack mechanic is vital especially in time attack mode but its never properly explained to the player, and delivering the final blow is just a pain in the ass because Zavok will sometimes defend himself regardless of how much you charged the homing attack.
Sorry but how do you charge up the homing attack just standing there? I can only figure out how to do it by jumping and I can only get three charges.
Do you mean on Zavok?
***** Yes.
***** Well, you've already answered the question: All you have to do is stand there. As long as Sonic is facing Zavok, he will charge up the Homing Attack automatically when Zavok is vulnerable.
***** Really? Oh okay thanks.
*****
Yeah, it took me a while to figure it out myself because it's so different than any other Sonic game's Homing Attack.
How you speed charge the attack please tell me. i'm desperate.
Come to this guy if you are stuck on a level. Cause it works!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, thanks man!
THERE'S A F***ING CHARGED HOMING ATTACK?!? I lost 15 lives to this boss!!
There is indeed, and it's useful in a bunch of other parts of the game too. But the Zavok boss battle is the first part where it's required.
@@Overhazard Yeah. Never mentioned once, never required once, and then suddenly needed in a boss battle - and the player is STILL not told about it. The epitome of bad game design. Otherwise I'm really enjoying Sonic Lost World, but it does have a really bad habit of not explaining or showcasing its controls well.
I'd beg to differ in that I think there are way worse examples of game design out there that pervade an entire game. Coming to mind was Sierra's habit of allowing you to continue after making a wrong decision that renders the game unwinnable some hours later. The most infamous example occurs in one of the Space Quest games: at one point, the story requires you buy a hovercraft. If you accept the dealer's initial price, you will get the hovercraft and nothing else. Turn it down once, and he'll lower the price. Turn it down a second time, and he'll throw in a jetpack. Turn it down a third time, and he'll replace the jetpack with a more expensive item. You will need the jetpack near the end of the game, and this is your only chance to get that jetpack--by the time you need it, you can no longer get one from the dealer. You need to have known ahead of time that you'll need that jetpack. (You can also sell that jetpack for cash, and some characters will encourage you to do so...which, of course, also renders you unable to complete the game.)
I personally don't like it at all, but a lot of Sierra's fans back in the day loved it. They felt that these games would be too easy otherwise.
(The Sonic games are no stranger to omitting crucial controls though. Sonic 3's infamous "Spinning Barrel of Doom" in Carnival Night Act 2 got so many people stuck that SEGA's phone help hotline gave out that tip for free while you were on hold.)
What is Zavok saying in the background during the level? I'm Curious.
I have another video that documents exactly that, the "Zavok Threat Montage."
Can anyone tell me how to get the deadly six bonus level? We purchased sonic lost world as a wii u download and the only available add on content is yoshi and zelda level. Have read you have to download it but unsure if we purchased the game with it already on it. Do you have to unlock anything or is it just there? Thanks
It was part of the first physical run of the game, which meant they were only available inside physical copies of the game when it first came out. These games, inside the boxes, had a slip of paper with a download code on it.
You could try asking around to see if anyone has any unused download codes, but it will be hard to find.
@@Overhazard what is the deadly six bonus level
Please can anyone tell me the buttons needed to do a homing attack? My son is desperate to get past this level but can't find how to do a homing attack at the last bit to push him off the edge.
I'm surprised he was able to get this far without needing the Homing Attack, but in order to do so, when there are target reticules over someone or something, press A for Sonic to jump and press A again for Sonic to hit everything with a reticule over it.
Thank you so much for replying, he was stuck on this for ages and he can do it now
Samantha hessner
You're welcome. A ot of people get stuck on this boss battle.
+Samantha hessner ME TOO IAM STUVK AT THE LAST BIT! I AM PLAYING THE PC VERSION WITH THE 360 CONTROLLER. WHEN HE IS ABOUT TO FELL FROM THE DRAGON I JUMP INTO HIM BUT HE JUST DOGE THE ATTACK! WHAT TO DO?!
Please. I can't do this. Every time i try the horrible 3 circles he cover him self. I need help please.
+Isaac Ortega Where are you having problems? Is it against the boss?
Yes. Well, i finally did it. I lost 20 lives in this one. The powerfil homing attack is a little confusing :S
Thanks
*****
Yeah, it IS a very confusing boss.
It's definitely not as big as street fighter and I hear Snk playmore hasn't been doing well recently. But I'd say king of fighters is big enough to have left it's own impact. As for the move I also some similarity to Yun's rush punch from street fighter too, now that you mention it.
so you have to stay still to charge up a homing attack...?
dude, I just got a headache with this whole game...
You have to let the reticules pile up on your target. You don't have to stay still, just that you can't be attacking at the moment.
Anyone else died more than a couple times while fighting Zavok
Overhazard, what is your opinion on Sonic Lost World?
I like it, but it is a heavily flawed game. I gave my opinions in detail in the description for my Windy Hill Zone 1 video.
Just pull zavok by the tail. I wish that was a thing.
Hey Overhazard just wanted to tell you this it's actually the Light Speed Attack not the Homing Attack in the game the makers flubbed and called it the wrong name or didn't know about it.
You sure about that? Where did you find that information? I would like to read or hear it myself.
***** The Information is in the game the mechanics for it work simaler to the Light Speed Attack in Sonic Heroes we have even put it as the Light Speed Attack over on the Sonic News Network they just called it by the wrong name.
Where in the game is it? I want to verify it.
*****
Perform the move they call the Homing Attack it locks on to multiply foes at once which is what the Light Speed Attack does If you want to know all the details about it reading the article for it on the Sonic News Network is much faster then waiting for me to explain it in the comments section.
I mean where in the games you're seeing this. That way, I can replicate it myself. I already know you are an editor at the Sonic News Network, so you listing that as a source is like listing yourself as a source.
This is impossible. So sad :(
Fucking annoying boss.
They used to scare the shit out of me in Adventure 2