Corn Cob 2nd Test - How To Destroy An Engine With Horrendous Carburetor Tuning... RIP!!!
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Well we thought we were making progress until everything went down hill. Suddenly Corn Cob quit making any horsepower, and eventually locked up on the Dyno. That was some terrible tuning by Jackstand and I... we will stick to EFI.
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I came back 10 months later just to watch Sam's reactions to the 99's... Still priceless!
SAME!
lol same here, you can tell he thought they were just joking at first
99’s?!!!!
I'd recommend getting everyone electronic shooting earmuffs for the shop. When under a certain decibel you can hear perfectly (amplified speakers inside) , then they cut out over a certain decibel.
Sam has quickly become one of my favorites.
"99's!?!? Yeah let's see it" 😆 😂 😆
It's a scam, don't be fooled like I was. I lost over 300.00 from this cleetus scam
@@benpowitzky4820 do what
@@benpowitzky4820 Anyone that falls for these annoying as fuck scam bots in the comments, deserves it.
@@xtravagentk1275 100%. Ben, strong work brother. The rest of us already knew it was a scam. Lol. -source, been on the Internet since 1993.
@@eriklarson9137 millennials, younger and the older crowds, sheesh! it's like dangling a carrot in front of donkey/mule.
some day( if we live that long) we'll be the old farts with dementia and alzheimers falling for the scams.
I've given up on reporting them, it seems to do no good or it helps and it's all back again in a week or so anyway.
Sam's reaction is legendary when heard how much fuel they sent thru it
Can't learn without making a few mistakes here and there!!!
Those Holley Blue pumps need to be mounted with the electric motor at the high point also.
I wondered about that when he showed it
You should of been the first call cleeter made🤷♂️. When in doubt get the best👌
I seen that aswell
Not surprised you picked this up Kevin. Seriously. The instructions with the pump tell you this but the amount of times I’ve seen these pumps mounted incorrectly still astounds me. I honestly would expect better, but that don’t get you views.
@@tonyanderson4774 I wouldn’t expect better from James tbf, he likes to just send it and see what happens
The corn-cob series has very well summed up most old Mopar guys. They spend literally 95% of their time trying to get the car to run and rip, then once they finally get it to perform, the thing just falls on its' face or blows up.
This is gold Cleetus, Thank you.
The way Sam reacts to you guys is absolutely priceless. So glad he’s a part of the family🇺🇸🦅🤘🏻
This was definitely one of those days that he wishes they were his grandkids so he could smack them up side the head though
Thought the same thing absolutely love Sam!
@4:33 The looks on Sam's face are priceless 🤣
@@tsp159 my thoughts exactly!!
Scammer
That thing needs a roll cage before things get out of hand but definitely before it's in George's hands.
they gave him the blazer so he could stop messing up the other cars lol
We don't need another Fiero incident...
Hahahahaha
I’m not saying you are wrong, I’m just saying that ain’t right.
Luckily George isn't driving it.
The "way better, so drivable, let's put it on the dyno..." is always a good line to refer back to after you blow it up 🤣🤣🤣👍🏻
Perfect timing just got on the john
Have a good shit!
funny me too
It's sad though cause his vids are getting so short i gotta watch another just to finish.
X2!
At least someone read my mind
Wiped cam, never seen a proper cam break in. Thanks Cleet for all you guys do.
I thought the same thing. Wiped cam lobes because they used flat tappet and didnt run 2-3000 to splash lube it.
Could be wrong. Could have run lean and melted pistons?
I thought James said they put rollers in it?
@@mikewhitman745
No. He said hydraulic flat tappets.
Doubt that very much.
I have done plenty of "fast" cam swaps, seen people do them etc. The way they ran the engine here was not that bad. While not a proper break-in, the engine got a lot of time at 1500-2500 rpm.
yep, very likely the bumps were quickly deleted, I didn't see mention of the oil and assembly lube used. no lube and the wrong oil will delete the lobes even with an instant start and attempted proper break in. we did exactly that about 2009, without noticing the changes in oil. new cam, lifters, heads, chewed lobes expanded a lifter, seized it into a bore and goodbye valve/piston/rod (old junk made into saturday night special). nothing a new short block and head didn't fix.😒 boo-hiss to the governments medaling in things they shouldn't.
they were so focused on the fact that there was a carb on the thing that they forgot what poor ignition timing looks like, lol
Yep, it cranks so hard that it seems like the timing is either way off or the compression is super high. I didn't see them pull those little things in each cylinder that show you whether it is lean or rich, either.
@@CGT80 you mean a spark plug?
@@M42650 Yes! Hey, at least someone remembers what those are. In the past, the Cleetus guys have read plugs, but they never showed or mentioned doing that with this one. The other cars have electronics to help figure out what is going on and the read plugs, so you would think instead of being totally blind on this one, they would have checked plugs........but, maybe you realized I didn't say "plugs" as kind of a joke.
@@CGT80 An AEM gauge is under $200 and an LM2 is under $300 on Amazon. Cheap insurance. Maybe an oil pressure gauge too.
I know this video has nothing to do with the Dale truck, but I’m so excited that it’s going to be the pace car for the Bristol 1000. Bout time that truck got to stretch his legs
Not sure Bristol is exactly stretching the legs but I get your point.
I watched this channel it was about the pedo dude truck racer .but it showed these old trucks an you can see the Dale truck racing pretty cool to see it in its natural environment..
I am so excited to go for both days, hard to go to events from South Carolina!
I can't wait! Camping right next to the track all weekend. Garrett needs to get some camping sites set up at FF.
Gotta put the Camber back into him
If Sam turns out to be an OG carb wizard on top of his shine skills i'm gonna be even more impressed.
Go check out his shop tour on Parker's channel he is very old school and seems to have to it all as far as vehicles go I'd say he has good advice about everything
Sam is a book of wealth. He just let's those boys learn from experience.
m8 he works in automotive and he's an older old school gent so he woulda been driving carbs way back when and probs still does.
He knew the approx id of a 99 jet. Sams an og
They should have at least pulled some gosh dang plugs!
Love how Sam just laughs at your guys. More of Sam on the tools - old school cool
Cleetus and the drag strip the should hold a triathlon type event at both facilities.
One car per driver. Drag race,road/oval course and a drift event with a point system to determine the winner.
Bring your own car or use the crown victoria fleet. With some time between each race to change tires and set up. It would be interesting to see how each driver handles the different styles of Motorsport.
so a car that can do it all... at this point just drive a real track :D
I'm telling you they're only a few inches away from building like an off-road track. Ain't even gotta pave that bad boy and come on man paving a drag strip is expensive enough. These guys doing all kinds of raptor drifting in this wide open space.
Forgot burnout
I truly enjoy every second of spotlight Mr. Sam gets. I’d love to get to learn some things from that old timer.
I could watch Sam for hours. He just sits back and watches until he is asked. Would also like to see an autopsy of the dead 360 to see if it’s a piston issue or the bottom end was wore out before adding a bunch of horsepower and RPM. Thanks for the videos. Sam for President!!
You didn't win anything it's a scam. I already lost over 300.00 from cleetus. Don't fall for it like I did.
@@benpowitzky4820 figured it was a scam. Seems to happen with Cleetus and Vice Grip Garage a bunch.
Pass the word to other people so that they don't end up like me
@@benpowitzky4820 thats not even the real cleetus.... so if you DMd him and fell for the scam then idk what to tell ya
@@douglasmayherjr.5733 It's all over youtube. Been going on for a while. You'd have to be an idiot to fall for it. Or your first day on the internet.
I see that factory flex plate in there! Us small block mopar guys know that's going to ruin the fun!
I've never owned a v8 mopar in my life, and I'm aware of that flexplate!
I've owned one Mopar, a Magnum with a 360 in it... and I have no idea what the deal is with the flexplate.
In hopes of getting another someday, please share the knowledge of what you are talking about.
Google? Basically they're junk
Even just a little more than stock it's a party pooper.
@@chrislongbeard BS engine party pooper!
Love videos like this cuz they make me feel pleasantly smug about knowing carbs well.
I might not own a racetrack and a fleet of awesome race cars, but I can tune an engine with a screwdriver and set of jets/squirters/etc
I wish y'all would go back to more shop videos instead of the events. Watching/ learning how the vehicles are made,learning about different parts. The trouble of putting them on, dyno pulls, etc. That was a lot more entertaining, plus we all get to learn.
I was one of your first 100 subscribers, i never missed a video the day you released it but I've noticed after all these years I've slowed down on watching these last 8-12 months and it sucks because this was my favorite channel on RUclips. Now I'm getting caught up from 4 months of not watching besides 1 or 2.
I pray you video's goe back to inside shop, installing parts, doing crazy shenanigans, etc. Back to buying parts/upgrades 1 by 1 and seeing the difference. Now it's buy complete $50k engines don't really see installs or anything.
Tbh, I don't care about racing Trophy Trucks, racing jet boats were cool, but watching yalls on the river isn't all that entertaining, etc.
I love these videos on the Mopar. It takes me back to the old videos. What happened to driving the race cars to Taco Bell, etc. Please bring back the old style. Not just showing up to tracks with a whole list of new upgrades already done. We want the old Cleet style video's back
Sam’s face made me laugh way to hard😂 99s?
When I saw the new cam in with the intake off in the last video I didn't see any lube on the lobes. If it's a Flat Tappet as you say you need to sauce them up good with molly lube. Then, you fought getting it started then started ripping it and letting it idle, then ripping it - no break in. You need 20-30 minutes at 2-3k rpm to break in the cam. Did you at least put zinc additive or delo diesel oil in it?
My armchair quarterback guess is the cam got wiped which lead the the odd tuning issues and chasing it all over the place. Once you got enough metal in the oil it took out the bearings.
I had the same though. I bet that cam is nice and round now.
I thought this from the first video when they said flat tappet cam. Assumed maybe it was just "magic of tv" editing.
saw the video when engine was assembled then started ran bad rev to moon strangest cam break in i have seen crate motor required
Agreed, flat tappets are easy to wipe out these days and with the struggles getting it running I’m thinking the cam ate lobes immediately. That definitely explains all the backfiring and weird tuning issues too.
I think it was a culmination of issues but yes, I agree. I have an autolite 2100 I like to use to break in any motor I do, once cam is nice and broke in, ill start fiddling with the bigger carb, its very important to get that motor started up, running well enough and start that break in ASAP. Can't be ripping it around and chasing issues in those delicate first moments. I'll be interested to see the oil filter and cam profiles on this one.
Sounds like timing issue. When it's hard to start - it's to far advanced. It's possible the distributor isn't locked down and is moving.
You didn't win anything it's a scam
@@diyspeed youtube is being over-run by them. welcome to the broken internet/youtube/world, it's all swiss cheese exploited and exploitable garbage, the big problem is much of the world relies upon it now. I'm thinking much of it is older un-updated (android/apple) devices being exploited and used to post the bad things, but I'm sure that's not all.
You guys just did what every old guy has done since the dawn of time. Put too much carb on a motor that doesn't need it.
I was thinking the same thing. The way it would rev fast and to the moon with no load, but bog as soon as it got some fuel flowing make me thing way too much carb and jetting. I bet they pull the pan and the oil is full of fuel and all the bearings/cyl. walls have scoring from washing everything with fuel.
What my mom's oldest brothers talked about doing back in the day and always ended up running worse. They were MOPAR guys back then too with Challengers and 440 Chargers. Mom had a '71 Torino with a 351 Cleveland that ran perfect and my uncle tried to trade his Challenger that ran like ass straight across for it. She knew better, lol.
Too much cam for zoomies. You can see that when cranking it's not pulling through the carb, then once running on overlap it's sucking in a bunch of fresh air (unmetered) from outside which ruins the mixture no matter what jets you run. Hopefully someone who knows what they are doing can step in and save you guys.
Bingo! What is it, a 750? On a motor that makes 200hp at best but now has no exhaust scavenging.The thing would run better on a little 2 barrel.
@@wingracer1614 Not only that, but a 2 barrel would have better response.
90% of “carb tuning issues” is just a timing issue. Keep that in mind. I’ve worked on so many older carbed cars that customers bring in complaining of carb issue and it’s just a timing advance or base timing issue. Mark in the balancer in wrong spot etc. get the timing right before fuel!!!
That was probably the most obvious timing issue in history. Theyre in a workshop with timing lights and widebands and a dyno and theyre just f-ing tuning blind - its nuts.
Sam even told em it was the timing but hes a guy who speaks softly and wont tell you twice fi you dont listen.
From what they said about the tune changing it sounded like the dizzy was loose, they way it was behaving the centripetal advance was way too heavy, and it already started too advanced..
My old shop teacher used to say that ...most carb issues are ignition related.
@@mycosys i would love to get my hand on that engine and see where the timing is. Mopars are the worst for setting up mechanical advance. You have to weld the advance slots and file to degree the distributor advance. It’s a pain. With a wild cam I’m sure it wanted some initial timing but if that advance wasn’t set right it probably have way too much total timing In it.
@@duncandmcgrath6290 yep see it all the time. It may appear rich if it is too far retarded and unburt fuel is coming out the exhaust.
Who knows for sure bro it's not looking good and when the thing showed up it was kinda surprising it ran tbh. To me at least. It's definitely a looker
Not sure about that blue pump mounted upside down lol. Sam says sure go ahead and give those 99 jet's a try see what happens. Love how you guys aren't afraid to show your mistakes. Mopars are a different breed. Takes a special person to be a Mopar Man.
Now we need a new James shirt that says "fake it till you break it!" I would like some percentage if this works
Ohhhh so what if it doesn't work? Will you pay for costs?
That's not how investments work my friend :)
That percentage would = a free shirt
James has no idea what he’s doing. Never had a reliable run car despite his liking of them.
@@toddjohnson9546 what
@@toddjohnson9546 so I guess you build race cars hey? ;)
You need to get Derek (VGG) to show you boys how to work on them there fuel maken happeners.
The zoomies probably aren't doing it any favors, especially with a dual plane intake. Richard Holdner did some tests with a sensor in each individual primary pipe and the a/f mixture varies wildly cylinder to cylinder. You might have pig rich and dangerously lean cylinders with the same carb tuning. It looks like the timing might not be so great either. Summit is selling a 408 Mopar for not crazy money.
I think we see why everyone LS swaps all the brands.
Yea but the zoomies look so sick tho
There has been a large epidemic of flat tappet camshafts going flat. I just had one in small block chevy that took a dump and we followed the break-in procedures exactly and used hella zinc. Going with a roller cam this next time. The days of flat tappet cams are pretty much over with.
Yeah they've ruined motor oil's, they expect everyone to have a roller top-end and many don't..smh...from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 🤠
uncle tony found that the lifters were the culprit in his last cam wipe.
Parts going to sht like everything else in the world.
I will never ever ever run a flat tappet again after that exact issue
Rebuilt probably 20 to 25 sbc with my dad (use to be alittle side buisness for him before crate motors and last 2 times I used a flat tappet within 100miles cam junk
Just use small engine oil from Briggs or amsoil because most Briggs engines use flat tappet cams
@@CL-ty6wp eventually someone is gonna try to make the valves out of a “high thermal plastic” and the engine will last a whopping 30k highway miles
We need a Steve Dulcich collab. He's a Mopar God. Get him to help yall swap a fresh 360 and teach that sweet carb tuning.
Uh, Steve lives clear across the country in Central CA.
Uncle Tony is just up in Tennessee, he could hook them up with some good big block 426 Hemi stuff... Or bigger.
Mopar Al [Tony's friend] is building a 572 Hemi at the moment...
Thermoquad!!! Lol
@@hunnybunnysheavymetalmusic6542 not sur their personalities would mesh
Bonus point if u read that in his voice lmaoo
Backfire through the carb.. timing. I was surprised to see flames from the carb not even die down while cranking, almost like a flat cam.
Wouldn't surprise me if it had some toasted lobes. Unless they just didn't film it, there was zero break in on that cam after install.
@@Random12231 100% I thought that cam is done when I watched them fire it up
oof.. 360 is externally balanced and you guys installed a neutral balance torque converter... also the harmonic balancer is weighted too.
I thought they said that was a 318 in that car.
I was waiting for this comment.
@@ronaldgentry9923 He said 360 about 2 vids ago
True. They replaced the balancer too and I didn't see if it was weighted.
Who needs to know how things work. Parts is parts.
Most people make the mistake of putting too big of carb on there. This looks like the result. Nitrous will balance it out 😅
Indeed, that is a future problem
A good friend of mine had a 63 Corvette 327 and we put an 850 Holly on it and it ran fine everywhere we drove it, it was a manual transmission so that's not a thing!
Ya it's not a chevy it cant handle all the carb lol
This has been debunked.
At somepoint you might lose partial throttle driveability but this car is built to run wot.
Wrong my stock 302 runs a 750 dp stock cam stock e7 heads and it runs 12s, that car just needed the right tuner
Anyone else get a wee emotional when Sam finally got to shine and show them he ain’t just a detailer? 💪🏻
No
This is like that one time Jackstand said he knew how to scuba dive 😂.
Carbs are not his forte, Sam in the other hand was the voice of knowledge.
Sam laughing at the decisions made with the tuning is the funniest thing ever🤣 he just kinda giggles and you can tell his thoughts are “ yeah that’s never gonna work” 🤣🤣
You didn't win anything it's a scam
Should’ve got in touch with The Old Man’s Garage. Man is a genius with carburetors.
For real bill is legit
James’s solution is always “when in doubt add more fuel” Lol
You misspelled nitrous
The downside of learning motors and loving nitrous.
Sam seemed so much younger when he started talking about the jets in the carb 😂😂😂
Sends 3 full foggers thru a stock 30 year old 360, then decides to throw a thunder stick cam and a juicy mama carb on it and is bummed out its given up on its will to run minute long burnies at redline… cant say i didnt see this coming honestly.
perfect comment lol. thinking the same thing
Yeah that entire plan was doomed from the start
Sure was entertaining.
98 Dodge Ram v8 starter. My SBM did the same thing from that old starter cranking so slow it was randomly killing spark, causing fireballs. Direct bolt in
I watched Roman’s interview with you, I haven’t watched anything else from his channel / am unsure what his content is all about but, this is a fun project to watch
Watching Garrett unfold out of the Duster reminds me of when 6'2" me was dating my 5'0" wife and she was driving her Duster with the bench seat. It didn't take long until we talked her Dad into letting me do the driving when it was just us in the car - after he was done laughing at me folded up in the passenger side.
sounds like jackstands "ear tuning" didnt work with that loud machine lol. good to have a pro like sam around
next time you do an old carb build, you should fly down VGG to help on it, would be awesome seeing you guys wrench together!
Haha Sam's genuine look of shock and horror "99s?! That's a quarter of an inch!"
Yeah they might’ve well just took the jets out completely at that point on pump gas lol
Eighth of an inch.
@@brandonb8543 who even uses Imperial measurement anymore anyway. Oh just America haha
Lmao you guys definitely had no idea what you were doing with this motor. Makes for great content though!
Engine*
*have
@@ummduhgmail he's talking past tense.
A engine is a type of motor
Cringe worthy lol
Shout out to Junkyard Digs on the science of carburetors and proper sizing. He has many many many videos on this and easy to understand explanation on why.
What you need more than anything is ear protection for the shop
i always get a big smile on my face when i see sam. seems like such a good bloke to have around
It's a scam. You didn't win anything. I lost over 300.00 from this cleetus scam. Don't fall for it.
@@benpowitzky4820 well yea... who doesnt know that? lol
8:07 amazing shot of the life everyone needs to live and experience
This definitely had nothing to do with the attempt to blow it up with nitrous the first time it was on the dyno
Listen man this thing been a ticking time bomb since it showed up anyway. Since the begging it seems like the attitude was always to max that bad mamma jamma to the moon and if it blows up, have a lead on an engine within the hour 😂😂😂 imagine if it siezed while Roman was in it. No bueno. At least we got to see the old engine make a bunch of rips
Cold revving with the timing being way off isn't a good idea on old Mopar stuff. Good job James.
I love how Sam knows it's a bad idea, but still says "let's see it". LOL! 4:55
Waiting for that back tire to catch and flip that Duster over. I'd bet they washed the rings out with all the fuel they're throwing at it. Probably wiped the cam too. Oh well, live and learn lol.
its absolutely a terrifying death trap with those suspensions, his head sticking out, and no roll cage.
My first thought after the carb adjustments was they wiped a lobe or two on the cam. They don't breakin like a roller cam.
It was so awesome to meet you thanks for the pic ,made my day
Gotta love Sam droppin knowledge and Cleet being like "I don't even know what a 99 is?!" ....me neither man, but I am guessing it is like putting some 3000cc injectors on a prius.
Yeah pretty much
It's a scam you didn't win anything. I lost over 300.00 from this cleetus scam
@@benpowitzky4820 man you actually fell for one of those damns scams lol? i see scammers doing that same crap on a lot of popular channels and wonder if they ever actually get somebody to fall for it. how do they go about getting money from you im curious? sucks to see this bud im sorry they got you.
Let's go!!! Countdown to Bristol baby!!!! 🏁🇺🇲🤘
Edit: Hope Maddie is doing well with the pregnancy so far!! Got 4 of my own, and it can get rough for 'em. But I already know you're not letting her do ANYTHING strenuous! Gonna be a great Dad Garrett!
Awesome , Thanks CM & Friends 😀
Tough break I would love to know what happened inside the engine
Carnage from washing the rings out of it on top of a completely wiped cam from the questionable cam break in or lack there of a break in
@@54raceman advanced up that far probably wasnt kind on crank bearings either
@@54raceman It can be several things. You can only guess, not make absolute statements.
Doubt very much it's a wiped cam lobe. Yes break-in is important, but reality is that an engine can and will work even if the break-in is not done correctly. It did never do anything that would suggest instant cam wear. Will there be a difference in cam wear over time by not breaking it in? Yes, but not something that will take it from tens of thousands of hours to minutes. Washed cylinders? Perhaps. Welded rings? Maybe. Wiped bearings? Who knows. Time will tell.
I know I can't tell from behind my screen.
@@AB-80X I did my apprenticeship at a dealership, never broke a cam in, not once. We’d throw a cam in, get it running and do all the checks, take it for a quick drive, and off it went, onto the next job. Even with a full engine rebuild, we’d only run the engine for maybe half an hour before giving the keys back to the owner. Of course they get paperwork on how to break the engine in, but nobody ever did. You’d finish a rebuild on an LS, park it in the lot, and an hour later you hear it screaming down the road with the owner at the wheel, and they lasted just fine. If you want to build an engine properly, break it in, do all the nice things, but it doesn’t strictly have to be done, and 99.99% of people would never notice any difference. Everyone is an expert from afar.
I believe your Cam shaft may be a tooth off… typical side effects include back fires, hard start, and really really low compression, maybe try degree ing your cam shaft?
To add to my comment, I think the motor was making some compression enough to make more power than the cylinders without compression were dragging, but the reason the motor locked up could have been fuel compromising the oil on the cylinder walls causing friction, since the motor was not burning that fuel it was causing all the smoke out of the headers and washing the oil from the cylinder walls, motor still turns but not very hard, probably ate the rings and caused a bearing to spin. No hate I did this on my 305 I built in high school :(
Carb is almost double the size it needs and ya washed the bearings outta it. Live and ya learn. Yall still rocking it.
So, back in the 80's Hot Rod Magazine tried to blow up a 318 and couldn't do it. Way to go boys.
There’s a 360 in the duster but I agree on the 318s you can’t kill them my grandpa had one in his old work truck that he didn’t use anymore. The last 10yrs we had that thing it probably had half a case of starting spray thru it for every gallon of gas and while it wasn’t always happy about it every time we had to use it to haul something around the house that thing would fire up and run like it did when he got it
You guys just can't let Roman Down. Sam knows what he's doing with the carb tunes.
Man y’all are blessed to be around an old school real dude like Sam!!!
Honestly it sounds like what I did to my 66 Coronet. It was my first car and I put a new carb on it. Gave it too much fuel and washed the rings out and locked her down! 'Twas an expensive lesson" as my dad said. Fortunately he helped with the rebuild!
Sam is the man. Gotta get this guy a car to play with. That would make some awesome content. Awesome video as always guys. Can't wait for Bristol.
He ran a crown vic, then they stuck him in a corvette for another race weekend, but yes a car for Sam would be cool 😎....from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 🤠
I think they would give him anything he wants. Its probably sams choice on what he does or doesnt do.
That was Sam's corvette not a car they put him in. It was his personal car that he built before being involved with Cletus lol
@@masterbates7016 oh OK, my bad!...from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 🤠
James tuning a carb and adjusting a distributor is like that uncle at a BBQ that says he "knows" how to cook burgers and flips them every 5 secs. Enough knowledge to be dangerous.
I gotta feeling this thing is gonna be just as dangerous as the fiero 😂
Worse the fiero atleast had a cage or heck a roof even lol
If that car ever decides to work, it should pull a wheelie bigger than Rocky the Blazer!
*carb literally lights on fire* "i think it's lean let's give it more fuel" XD
Looks like they need a wide band o2 sensor and a timing light.
There's definitely something fishy with that carburetor. At the 7:45 thru 7:52 you can see raw fuel coming out of the exhaust going about four or five foot straight in the air and vaporizing in the heat from the exhaust. My guess is there's something wrong with one of the diaphragms either torn or leaking causing it to continuously run rich no matter what you do to it.
With jets that big running pump gas it’s gonna be literally dumping fuel in the cylinders
Yeah, a backfire can blow a power valve in a Holley
It’s too big!
@DJ
That ones new enough to have came with blow proof PV.
At least one Holden ute I peeked at 6:11 glad you got one thats the best looking VT in my opinion. Melbourne Australia long time watcher first time comment.
It was actually painful to watch you guys play around with that car.
poor engine! poor fuel pump! lol they sure sent it all packing to the graveyard.
You might want to consider an Air/Fuel ratio gauge. That will help you dial in the carb size and jetting 😉
It's a scam don't be fooled like I was
I remember as a kid with a 308/327 had a great cam in it, smoke the tyres easy etc, but i did what every kid did a put a brown box big overlap cam in it. Ruined all the fun, never ran right, chased dizzy advance and endless Holley jets and power valves. One thing i never did was check the cam timing. Sometimes you learn.
I hate to say it, because James is hilarious, but I saw this coming. James knows a lot, but carbs didn't appear to be in his wheelhouse.
Best way to learn is to fail over and over. They'll get the carbs down eventually!
Sound snore like an intermittent ignition issue to me. I’ve had the same problem on the same engine once. Cleaned the distributor cap and it’d be perfect, then 20 minutes later run like ass
Wasnt Lieutenant dan carb Nitrous before he went to turbos
You need to go watch old vids.... thats all he knew
Can't know it all. I realize this every day longer that I live on this earth.
Use to be an old mechanic in my town that could tune a carb like a wizard. A Built 350, 327, 383 would get 15 mpgs with his magic. Definitely a lost art.
My last 454 w/2 500 AFB's got 20mpg's on a trip in a 78 Z-28. It IS possible to get decent mileage and power...but no stock carburetor you can buy will bolt on and get anywhere near that.
Just need a lawnmower carb and you'll get 40
@@ClumsyCars LMAO!
@@ClumsyCars lawnmower carb on a Ford maverick 302 gets 70mpg
@@Southrn_Maniacyago Needs eight mower carbs ;-)
Thats why i love to have somebody older in the Workshop, if it comes to Old school Tech, they know what to do 💪🏼 Sam is Game Changer! 💪🏼💪🏼
Should've just called Holley and got you a Sniper EFI throttle body for it. You need at least an air/fuel ratio gauge.
Wouldn't be running any better, this engine has mechanical issues.
@@ummduhgmail Duh, Thanks captain obvious so you watched the video too. But if they didn't know carbs when they were ordering parts in the first place they should've got a efi throttle body. Was speaking in hindsight my friend. Besides the holley self learning would have let them know it was the engine not the tuning before they blew it up ,So yes indeed it would have done some good.
I've been saying the same from the first video of this car. I fully agree.
@@ummduhgmail yeah, cant tune afr if you dont have timing right.
WTH were they doing on the dyno with no timing light and no wideband?
@@mycosys playing around lol, i bet the hole plan was to blow this thing up and just drop a new motor in last minute knowing these guys makes it more fun.
Soon as Sam said "NINETY NINE?!?!" I wouldve handed him a screwdriver lmao "plz help me.."
I enjoy James and Ty working on things for Cleeter to test
Why not just put a Holley Sniper on it?Seems that would be more in your guys wheelhouse. Change the starter to a 90s ram V8 magnum starter which will spin it much faster. That stock flex plate is going to cause problems also.
The sniper throttle bodies have serious fuel pressure regulator issues, I don't think they're reliable enough for this type of application.
Sam just needs to walk around with Ear protection anytime he is hanging with the crew.. LOL
From my understanding you can’t just run an electric fuel pump to a carburetor unless it’s a weak one or you restrict the psi going to it or you will flood it and wash out cylinders
fuel regulator is needed.
I mean... Hoping these guys know that.
Electric pumps made for carb applications dont necessarily need a regulator. Most pumps make 7-8psi, so unless your carb is super finicky about pressure, it'l be fine.
It's not like they're running Walbro 340s to a Holley carb
If I'm not mistaken, the Holley blue is 14psi? Too much for carbs
@@Ridinfixinman I agree. They need a red.
Put a stand alone afr gauge in. Makes tuning carbs so much easier
I was thinking that too , but the zoomies dont combine into into one pipe ,
I decided I wasn’t very good with carbs, so everything carb’d gets a wideband now. It makes life so easy!
i dont understand why they werent even using the dyno wideband. Not that it mattered when the timing was wrong to start with
It'll vary wildly cylinder to cylinder, Richard Holdner made some videos showing that with a carb engine. I am thinking a dual plane with zoomies and no scavenging on a LoPo tired engine that probably has uneven compression would leave the mix all over the map, pig rich cylinders and dead lean from the same tune.
Not with zoomies lol
Only awesome running engines have the carb on fire! No cam break-in, zoomie exhaust (exhaust like KSR did for Independence would have been better), timing way off, burn out for testing instead of dyno, double pumper instead of vacuum secondary, and "amazing" carb tuning = FIRE!!! Sweet!! Fire IS power!! :) Made a nice video though!
Sorry it went so bad guys!! I feel really bad for you! Can't wait to see the next solution! I'm sure it will be good!! :) Not like you guys haven't ran 6's and 7's!!
Congrats on 3 Million viewers!!!! That is SWEET!!!! (Can't wait to see Mullet with a well prepped track!!!) I know the local track is sweet but still needs some break-in! I enjoyed your interview video!! Great stuff!! Keep it real and do it for Dale!!! WE ALL LOVE YOU GUYS!!
Similar to wearing safety gear at the FF, it sure would be great to see more hearing protection being used.
Old Jack Stand really dropped the ball on this one!!
This is why they shouldn't be raised solely on EFI. This is what happens.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
where was the timing light? not to mention they have how many widebands?
You didn't win anything it's a scam. I lost over 300.00 from this cleetus scam. Don't be fooled like I was
Luv ya Sam. good to see and hear your voice. Keeps the boys in line Mate
A motorhome 440 with a cam and some cheap aluminum heads would be so much better of a burnout engine than a 360. I use sbm's for demoderbies and that's it lol
440's are badass, they don't fuck around
now we're talking...
Probably would’ve ran a ton better with a 600 cfm carb.
Agreed
or a single plane intake
100%
@@billthrasher3587 Def NOT, the single plane would kill the torque BIG TIME. I Know , Iv'e tried it. Torker single plane on abullshit built 350 killed all the torque. I put a performer dual plane on and it was night and day better . Single plane intakes are for high rpm .
Dual plane intake with a 600cfm carb would age been perfect for a burnout rig.
Now that's how you mix a drink with precision!
There's no telling what all that old motor had been through before yall got it. Keep in mind if you get another 360 that they are externally balanced. You have to make double sure that the harmonic balancer TC, flex plate at all are correct for the engine or you will definitely drastically shorten its life lol
You didn't win anything it's a scam. I lost over 300.00 from this cleetus scam.
To think I was somewhat impressed by James’ ability to “tune” by ear…
Well he’s deaf so idk what his tune by ear is really worth….
That's with Chevy engines, Mopar stuff wants a different program for timing and carb tune.
@@hendo337 timing probably but not drastically. Max timing is a function of compression ratio and chamber design. Intermediate timing is based on engine load and the factors affecting max timing. But i don’t know much about LA chamber design or what’s on this motor (open chamber or has a quench pad). Carburetors don’t really care what they’re on and each engine more or less determines the carburetor’s tune from accel pump shot size and cam profile to power valve sizing, high speed/low speed jet sizing, emulsion tubes, etc etc. About the biggest determining factor for how to jet a carb comes from intake manifold design and whether it likes square jetting or staggered. That’s also determined by what type of carb they’re using, vacuum secondary or mechanical and progressive or 1:1 mechanical secondaries. Judging by the intake port arrangement fuel distribution is going to be very similar to a small block Chevy’s, somewhat dependent on the LA’s firing order since it’s a dual plane, which I don’t know. I didn’t watch the initial videos of this car so I don’t know what size of carb is on there either, but that’s largely a factor in jet sizing and not stagger, which I heard Sam say 99’s and that’s pure insanity.
@@hendo337
Oh wow. My man, please tell me that you're saying that crap just to make yourself look good, and not because you actually believe it.
The engine has aftermarket heads, a Holley carb, an Edelbrock dual plane intake, MSD ignition. What in the name of everything holy, would posses you to think that you cannot tune by ear on this as opposed to an SBC with the same damn components? Sorry, not trying to be an ass or rude, but that's one of the dumbest things I have heard in a long time.
i have owned and tuned LA, RB, Magnums, Pontiacs, SBC's and BBC's. Tuning by ear is the same damn thing on all of them. Quads, Rochesters, Holley's etc. don't care.
Dick Landy is rolling in his grave right now...
Roman - build me a burnout car.
Cleetus - Sure I'll build you a wheely car.