What I love of this channel is that you avoid that “fake optimism “ or “fake fancy SWE lifestyle”. Nowadays it’s a trend on RUclips to sell to young graduates the dream of a perfect career in the tech industry. Most of those youtubers are simply trying to make a living with their channel and side business to leave that “fancy tech job” that they hate... it’s a kind of Ponzi scheme, in order to leave their job they need you to believe that they’re super cool, hence you follow them and bring them money
I remember when this dude had like 20k subs with insanely long hair & he was awkward on camera, to this beast today delivering content with oompf. Well done Josh. 100k gang soon
Look at the average recruiter profile on linked-in. I often see that she was a barista, did a short stint at a gym (personal trainer?) and then suddenly... (BAM!) a technical recruiter! WTF!
Objectively speaking, you only need good people skills and a bit of tenacity to be a recruiter. What your prior work was isn't too relevant. It's a sales job, after all.
@@ahmataevo junior developer wanted -requirements - must have 5 years experience must be able to lead a team and mentor other juniors and interns must be able to understand every single part of the development process
I recently had a horrible experience with a CyberCoder recruiter. She shunned me for applying to a "Full-Stack" role that had no backend requirements in the job description. She was about to dismiss me when I said I was a Front-End Engineer and I asked her what the back-end requirements were and she had no idea but made me sound like an idiot for applying. She was rude. These people... they only care about checking some boxes or something.
Exactly! Especially those recruiters with indian accent. Last time one of them was begging me to apply for a job ad. I think these recruiters performance depends on how many ppl answer to their ads and how many give out their info...
dude i made the mistake of giving my info to revature and cybercoders, they literally spam you with emails non stop and just add your data into their database
I’m a recruitment consultant and I can tell it’s job that you do when you have no idea what you want to do with your life! Trust me, I’m trying to get out quick 😂
One thing I learned is always be applying for roles even if you're in the final stage of a hiring process. I've had verbal offers pulled right from under me!
Never, ever stop the application/interviewing process, or turn in your notice, when all you have is a verbal offer and nothing in writing. It could be a ploy by the company to do a bait and switch on the salary/benefits, or worse, redact the verbal offer entirely if they find someone they like better, or whose willing to take less salary. Don't get played, play the game.
It actually sucks that new devs might fall for this, because they might genuinely get excited that recruiters reach out to them, when in reality they're just a mean for more profit. Great insight on the subject :D
Been applying for three months. Can confirm that the only NICE conversation's I've had were company directs. Stay away from recruiters!! Especially in 2019.
I personally can't stand recruiters. Here in the UK they often work on commission and their company will often pay them a certain percentage of your base salary if they manage to successfully secure you in a role for a year. This leads to them basically saying or doing anything to get you in a position even if that position isn't a good match for you. When you're trying to get your foot in the door as a junior they can be helpful, but as soon as you have a few years experience I would steer clear and instead apply to companies directly.
Yeah they are a joke. I was looking for a management consulting job and this recruiter pulled me in and pitched a job that described exactly a job I was looking for and it’s at Amazon and lots of good sounding Mumbo jumbo. It was later down the line DURING the first interview that I found out it was an amazon warehouse manager work, but the damn recruiter hid it so well or maybe I was too naive... ridiculous
You forget to mention the hundreds of suitable jobs for which they turn you down. They also like sending people to interviews for jobs they have no chance of getting, they use you as a spy to get inside info on the interview process so that they can coach a more suitable candidate.
There also seems to be a new trend of sending possible candidates through 1-week courses without getting employed for example I have had recruiter request me to attend a 4 day course and an interview at the end I mentioned that I already had the qualifications but they didn't reply so they must get some kind of compensation for putting candidates through small courses
Lol I've learned python, HTML5, CSS3 a little javascript and the syntax of C++ lmfao bought a book on machine learning with python learned the basics and applied to a JR machine learning developer/data scientist. Somehow magically landed an interview passed the phone screen with the recruiter and got an in person with the tech lead. Bro...that was the most awkward and eye opening experience ever I didnt know shit I failed miserably lmaooooo. I wanted to just teleport out of existence lol.
Lol I can't remember all of them but after some in depth python questions that I got somewhat right it got serious. "You have a data set with missing values which spread along 1 standard deviation from the median what percentage of data would remain unaffected and why?" , "Using machine learning how would you write a recommendation system for our company and what algorithms do you think would be best?", "How do you check for a valid binary search tree?", "Write a function to return the best split for a decision tree regressor using the L2 loss." Lmao there were more but those are the ones I remember the most because I had to write psuedo code 😫.
I had a terrible experience with recruiters at a huge firm that can go to hell called Robert Half Technologies. I went to them to interview for a job and at some point they went full-on rude and asked me "what do you bring to the table that would justify the employer paying us $40,000 to have found you?" It was in exactly the kind of tone it reads like it had, too. I was polite because I was in an unfamiliar place and trying to be respectful, but after I left the building I really wished I had told them to shove the job so far up their asses that they could smell the money they were losing as I walked out. Because I also already run a business, I have been getting junk mail from them wanting me to hire them to find workers for my business.
I worked for them once, they got me hired at a place that was only looking for an engineer to start their project and get it as close to MVP as possible before their in-house engineer got back from vacation and fired me. They offered me another interview, but I was done with them after that shit.
100% agree on this company.. I am not a JR level person. But once they drew me to their office and made me sit and basically test my knowledge on everything. I felt like I had taken the full mcse / cisco / cissp in one sitting. I never went back even though they were begging me to take spots they had.
I've worked an RHT post before... The job itself was amazing and I LOVED my team, but the benefits as a contractor are abysmal and that's being nice, and even tho I had an amazing experience with that position other experiences with RHT recruiters went nowhere quick, and I realized in that moment i got lucky with that one experience
Now I know not to deal with these fools.......these guys and CyberCoders are huge, thousands of reviews on Indeed (not all bad). This tells me they will use you and dump you like garbage and don't really care for the people either. No need to deal with that.
You hit the nail on the head. Recruiters will only send the company the top 3 candidates so their only interest is getting as many qualified people in their stables. They get paid by the hiring companies and have no vested interest in helping anyone get a good job. You want to talk unethical? What about recruiters who regularly post fake jobs to lure you in. Great channel Josh!
Dude. Stay safe. People may try to sue you for defamation (especially the companies that you're exposing for the stupid shit that they do) . There are a lot of crazy people out there. Good video BTW.
He didn't name any particular recruiters and didn't say anything that isn't an opinion so there are no grounds to sue for defamation. They can sue him anyway, but he would be able to counter-sue them for filing a frivolous lawsuit and get money out of them.
Man the worst recruiter I dealt with tried to lie and guilt trip me into taking the job. The guy told me that he had invested his own money in getting me through the process and that by me flaking on the job he was going to have trouble feeding his daughter. Good. Lmao
Never reply to recruiters; for the most part they're a waste of, time, energy and sanity. If you still haven't gotten over the employee mindset, apply to jobs on your own, attend meetups and talk to devs/recruiters in person, never over email.
Hey, Joshua, I highly appreciate what you're doing here! I've recently come across your channel in search of advice on programming and landing a job as a software developer after a Mechanical Engineering work experience. The thing is, for some years now I've been talking about recruiters, HR and companies techniques, trying to expose them even on Linkedin - yep, believe it or not, I've done that -. One of my core topics are recruiters and why they can't do sh*t, just there to make their comission and lie to you whenever they can. Nobody ever stands up, people have always made me believe I'm a fool or a crazy guy. The story is long, but I just wanted to tell you that I'm glad that you're openly talking about it. I've tried speaking up as well, but my videos are poor quality - I have no edition skills and I don't intend to acquire them or whatsoever -. The great thing is that we share exactly the same views. Every time I say the commission they make is from your salary people always raise their brows. Whenever I say that these cokroaches -plus HR - brought about the idea of stupid perks that you're actually paying from your pocket at a very high price, nobody seems to agree with me. Beers on Friday? Put that bottle back, you're paying it as if you were at a fancy restaurant. I can't believe people don't see all the scam related to recruitment agencies. But make no mistake, companies are also to blame, they benefit a great deal with this approach.
I am applying for jobs in Toronto and I had bad experiences with recruiters sa well. Also I feel like 90% of my applications are not been seen by anyone. I don't know what I can do different to get a stupid job... C#, SQL, React + ES6 experience. I only need a opportunity to show my energy and skills, but I have great problems to get my first job.
Recommend attending as many night time and weekend dev related events as you can (free ones unless you can afford to pay) and socializing with people, let them know your skills and that you're looking. Seems to be the best way right now. Way too many applicants to compete with online at the entry level, hardly any positions posted for entry-level. Once you're solid mid level, then applying online is worth the effort I think. But if that's your only option or you have time for both, then keep at it.
Joshua Fluke I do my best not to hire developers via recruiters but some of my clients can only hire via approved recruiters and they are the worst recruiters because they are so relaxed 🤦♂️ - what’s worse than a recruiter? A lazy one because they know you can only hire from them 😭
I just landed my first job through a recruiter. I didn't have any issues with getting sent positions I wasn't partially qualified for. My college professor actually recommended that I contact the recruiter that I did and she seems to actually read my resume and only send me jobs that are related to the skills I have listed on there. The fact that I get less money when hired through a recruiter is sad though but I kept getting ghosted by companies when I applied by myself. So it was either a recruiter or continue working part-time at a fast food restaurant. Hopefully, now that I have that "stamp on my resume", I won't need a recruiter to find a position after this one ends (It is only 6 months long).
that happened to me a lot this year in Covid half of them removed or canceled . Nokia told me that their UI design position was canceled I dont get why people are posting position but not hiring.
Thanks for sharing your past experiences. It definitely help me to understand why you think the way you do. My experiences with recruiters hasn't been overwhelmingly positive either.
Went through four interviews almost 16 years ago now, passed the tests and interviews. This is for a major corp we all know, so will not name them. They offered me 20k less than what I earned back then, stating how much of a benefit it is to work in the stability of a major corp with "career options". The agent called me for weeks afterwards trying to convince me, but fortunately I found a placement at a decent company in between and ghosted the recruiter. I also had to laugh at an agent calling telling me about this dynamic new startup with lots of "excitement" in the company. The specs were given as "COM+" with windows experience - that was it. No telling if they need C++ ATL or good old VB back then. The recruiter couldn't answer the question so I asked him not to call me again. Within my 25 years in the industry I can honestly say not much changed with these recruiters, even the ones that deem themselves as prestigious.
It is the same way with temp agencies. Rarely do you get a permanent job with the employer the temp agency has a contract with to supply temp employees until they can fill the position themselves and the temp is just out in the cold. And just to say if you put temp jobs on your resume as work experience, 99% of the time you will not get a job from them because their is a stigmatism with temp workers that they are not up to par employees and they are lacking in some way. It is BS. Form your own company as an independent contractor and if you have to work temp jobs in-between jobs use the company you temp at but do not list the temp agency that placed you and pays you. You will be better off and have a much better chance of getting a job offer. Temp workers are usually just thrown away and never get a chance to interview for the job. And almost never will a temp get that job permanently. Recruiters and temp agencies blow a**!!!
I dunno, I had a good experience with a recruiter to get my job. If it works well everyone is happy, the company finds someone, recruiter gets their money and you get a job. I was sick of applying for 200 jobs and going nowhere, then after the second recruiter I spoke to ever, I had an interview two days later and got hired. They get as much money for you as they can, and I found it motivating when he called me and psyched me up for my interview. Sometimes it's nice when someone wants you to get hired as much as you do when you're feeling down about the whole process.
I have considered getting out of my small business several times. Every recruiter I've ever talked to has wasted hours and hours of my time, and they didn't even pay for the time. Also, if you intend to get a company name and ghost the recruiter, you need to lie about your name to the recruiter. Many of the recruiter contracts with companies let the recruiter "capture" any candidate that they talk to and you'll be blocked from direct hire as a result.
Thanks for the recruiter advice. I've been getting yanked around by them recently. The interviews they send me to don't line up with my skill set and end up wasting too much of my time.
One more reason why I do NEVER like to respond to CyberCoder like recruiters....they never had the full picture of the job description or the job requirements. It is hard to find recruiters that know what the employers are asking for "exactly"
One way to get a recruiter to tell you who the customer/client/company is, is to tell them that you want to make sure you are not going to get double submitted for the same role. Sometimes telling them that you get lots of calls for the same gig lets them know that they better play it straight because you are a valuable person and it is not a matter of IF you are getting an interview, it's more like when and with who is another recruiter. Another nice one is to pre-empt them and ask them, hey is this for the "company name" job? They cannot lie to you if you guess it right and they absolutely hate that shit. When you guess it right, they usually ask if someone else submitted you yet. Tell the truth, but if you are like me, I usually wait for my preferred recruiters to eventually call me (Or I call them and ask them to represent me for it) about the gigs I know that have just hit the boards. Other faster recruiters will tell you the names of the company unlike others.
I'm graduating in less than a year with a degree in Computer Science and Engineering. Your videos have totally helped put me into the right mindset for job hunting when I get out.
Great videos! May I suggest a video on "Toxic Employers" Toxic Employers give project management jobs to coders such that you actually don't learn anything useful working for the company. What you normally want to do is find a way to learn more stuff from your assignment(s).
Amazing job bro. You finally made a video talking about these recruiters (I hope you make more, there are a lot of reasons to keep this series 😂) you know, sometimes I have a strong feeling that recruiters are far from being prepared to make their work properly, I mean, of course some of them might have some kind of preparation (I hope) but they don’t even have the ability of convincing you to take their offer. There is a flagrant lack of professionalism among these people, they continuously spam you, they abuse of copy/paste methodology to capture your attention (which are very poor and lazy attempts). I am talking from personal experience, being a junior profile (with my LinkedIn clearly saying in the title: “junior developer” I have received senior job offers looking for guys with 7 years of experience 😥, sometimes I have received offers from programming languages that I don’t even know etc. So, companies are requiring us to perfectly know many different technologies, they require us to perform interviews with no errors... while there are important people working for these companies and doing errors all the time... Like I said, I hope you can expose them even more, and see if this changes a bit in the future.
Lol, in all of my profiles I state that I'm ONLY looking for opportunities in my City on the West Coast and that's it - nowhere else, and I get spammy messages all the time for jobs somewhere in NC, NJ, NH. I dated a girl who was a recruiter (not in the tech industry sadly) and tried to explain what I'm interested in and what I do and her eyes just glazed over, she just kept trying to match the languages I know up with bullet points in job descriptions. Trying to explain the difference between Java and Javascript to her was tough. These recruiter's mindset is just match up as much as you can and spam, spam, spam
I had a bad experience with Chevron for a SWE position. I interviewed at school no less too! Hiring manager told me I was a good fit for the position and that I will hear from HR for an offer letter. Never heard back. Sent a few follow up emails and still never heard anything. Had another bad experience with Keysight for a SWE position. Had 5 over the phone interviews, I hear back a couple weeks later and the position got canned. 🙄🤦🏻♂️ Hiring process sucks!
Restepa! , every scenario you mentioned happens at Helpdesk and Desktop support level, its amazing in one day you can get multiple companies with same job offer different job descriptions etc...sometimes they know your situation too well and that your deseperate your so right!
I have been watching you for awhile now and love how transparent you are regarding to the hiring process and swe. This video here was very informative especially since I just recently graduated. I’m subscribed to you now.
Thank you for making these videos. It's interesting to see that others are making the same experiences with HR as I do. By now I really hate working with recruiters, to the point, that if anyone with the title HR contacts me, I try to get rid of them asap. The worst for me is that they don't care for their clients (the companies) nor the products or the people they are trying to connect. Working with recruiters is a race to the bottom, which cannot be won, despite all the sweet talk they do. I wonder what your thoughts are on companies working with external recruitment services, when they actually should have a good enough product, that they should be flooded with applications from potential employees.
Bruh you have perfectly described my experience with Cyber Coders to the letter! I constantly get emails saying they're hiring for 70K/80K/100K+ but want 3+ years experience when I've made it crystal clear to the recruiter that I'm looking for my first developer position lol.
@@rejuvinatez347 Nope! I ended up going elsewhere. Cyber Coders is great if you either have a Bachelor's or years of experience, not so much if you're trying to break into the market.
Crazy how far you've come Josh. I remember hearing your name in one of AaronInBeta's videos and I've been a sub ever since. Congrats on your success so far, and thank you for the useful and valuable information you give us.
In my experience recruiters are definitely not in the position to decide if someone's a good fit for the job. It's easy if a certain job requirement says I need to know Ruby and I have Ruby listed as one of my skills on my resume. But what if the job requirements says I must have experience with RoR, OOP and MVC... They might just go for the PHP guy, because you know... PHP is also 3 letters.
I remember back in 2013 getting called by a recruiter saying I needed 8+ years of AngularJS experience for a certain position, even though it came out only 3 years earlier (2010). I'm fairly confident that tech recruiters just run down the street screaming at the top of their lungs, shaking everybody that they come across, asking them if they are a Full Stack Developer. If only recruiters were on Tinder, every profile pic would be a dick pic (and one that isn't even theirs).
You're so right. Happens the exact same shit in Arg. BTW the advice of "don't tell them that you are waiting another offer" is absolutely true Cheers Josh!
Do you mean umbrellas? In the UK a recruiter never is never subcontracted, they only get a % of your first salary paid extra from your company (it has no effect on yours), the contract is direct between you and the employer.
Hey, love the channel, keeps getting better. As an ex recruiter, now training to be a software engineer, just wanted to say not every recruiter is shocking, but most are. To anyone looking for a job, try and find recruiters working for themselves or for small companies, they’re usually very niche and can look after you your whole career if you get on with each other. Avoid big recruitment companies at all costs, usually 18year olds straight out of school throwing your cv in any mailbox they can find the email address for. Bit of advice though, if a recruiter puts you in for a job and you go to the hiring manager and try to cut out the recruiter to save the company money, it won’t work, you’ll end up jobless. The recruiter can take the company to court and get a bigger settlement than they would’ve paid in fees, avoid doing it!
As I understand it, they are so lazy, they run all the applicants through keyword scan to see if your resume ticks the required boxes. That’s why they want word docs and not PDFs.
I really like these vids of yours Joshua, it's giving a lot of people some real information about how to find work especially if they're new to the grind. I think the "direct hire" recruiting system is more common in Japan, that's how I got my current job. Though, they kept trying to poach the devs they place so they can get another lump sum off of them, so their relationship with my company deteriorated quickly!
As a newcomer to your content and recent college graduate, I feel impelled to say that you are so inspiring and helpful. I've been somewhat overwhelmed with stress lately trying to find any kind of opportunity, and it always seems like they just slip through my fingers with no regard. It's very disheartening, but you alone have remedied this completely. I will keep you posted on my job hunting progress. Thank you so much for all your effort; I will continue to indulge on your videos. :)
@@NavJaswal It's actually been very fruitful! I had a recruiter contact me through LinkedIn, and since then I have completed the entire interview process and am waiting on the final decision. It has been quite a positive experience thus far, and I believe I have solidified the position. Thanks for following up! I will provide another update once I receive the final word!
@@NavJaswal Okay, so it's been quite a while, but I have some important news. I actually wasn't selected to move forward with the company when I had originally interviewed with them. I talked to my recruiter a week or so later and said that I really hoped I would have another chance with them, since they seemed to like me so much. On Monday of last week she said there was another spot that had opened up, so I went in for another interview (same position, different team). They decided to move forward with me to the second round! I was assigned to build a simple website with ASP.NET Core and Angular. I put in all my effort studying, developing, debugging, etc. Going into the second interview, I was riddled with anxiety and had no idea what to expect. I answered ~80% of the technical questions correctly, had great things to say about my skill set and passion, and enjoyed talking with each person in the interview. Literally 2 hours later, I get a call from my recruiter saying that I got the job! I start on 10/7 and am so excited! I've continued to study the two aforementioned languages (because they are relatively new to me). All the stress I mentioned in my original comment has gone away completely and been replaced with satisfaction and motivation. I'll try to give an update of how the actual job is going once I've had some time to experience it. Thanks again for caring about my progress! I'm very happy with where I am! A note to anyone in a similar position as me: Don't think you have to be perfect. I was no where near it with this whole process. Just put in the effort and show that you care. I know it's easier said than done, and it also takes getting the right people's attention. But please don't constantly stress and second guess yourself like I did. You have to believe that you are worth it because it's true!
dude. thank you for this. i've been 'working with' recruiters for a while (fortunately contract-to-hire isn't a thing in the UK) and i just keep getting bad vibes off their used car salesman pitches. even when the jobs seem good. the level of stress involved is just not justifiable - i am better than this
I had a bad experience with a contract to hire job like this. The problem was the company. They kept the recruiter completely in the dark about start date, requirements, and on and on. I got sick of it and told the recruiter I'm out
OMG you are so right man! I receive lot of email and i dont even know some of the languages they propose me or dont even have 6-7 years experience... WTF
This also applies as a jr data analyst... I've had them ask me so many curve ball questions I only realized later I shouldnt have answered honestly smh
Of all the tech job hunting sites out there Cyber coders has to be the worst out there, the recruiters are the most clueless when it comes to tech they are nothing more than like he said salesmen. They claim to help you get the job but they don't.
wow this is so true here in UK too. I've started to ignore them now. As soon as a job opens up in my area, I get at least 3 different recruitment companies emailing/calling me about it
Yeah they're terrible, I've worked in IT for eight years and my experience with recruiters is that they're all clueless and useless. Worst thing is 90% of tech jobs go through recruiters, largely because the HR drones are equally as clueless so they outsource their ineptitude It's still worth going through HR directly though, as they're likely to pass your email straight onto the tech manager.
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That's Exactly what you do. Avoid recruiters. They do nothing but take your money. Pimp is the best word to describe these people. I know some recruiters who pay so little it's a joke. They get twice the hourly money of the actual person working. That should be illegal. Thanks to one of your tips in another video I was able to negotiate good salary. Thank you for being helpful!
Currenty job got through recruiter but could've gone direct. Always go direct if you can and of course the hiring manager has to be ok with going direct.
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What I love of this channel is that you avoid that “fake optimism “ or “fake fancy SWE lifestyle”. Nowadays it’s a trend on RUclips to sell to young graduates the dream of a perfect career in the tech industry. Most of those youtubers are simply trying to make a living with their channel and side business to leave that “fancy tech job” that they hate... it’s a kind of Ponzi scheme, in order to leave their job they need you to believe that they’re super cool, hence you follow them and bring them money
I agree with you. RUclips is not a place where people care about saying the truth, they only want views. I hate most of youtubers.
Appreciate you
This is gold and needs to be talked about more!!
@@JoshuaFluke1 what you comments in this video Joshua Fluke happens world wide!.
@@flyguille correct
I remember when this dude had like 20k subs with insanely long hair & he was awkward on camera, to this beast today delivering content with oompf. Well done Josh. 100k gang soon
I appreciate you.
Same! He's inspired me to change
Dreaded dev
dude he's been getting tons of recommendations from what I've seen, the youtube algo is working for him!!
lol that long hair was looking crazy.
Look at the average recruiter profile on linked-in. I often see that she was a barista, did a short stint at a gym (personal trainer?) and then suddenly... (BAM!) a technical recruiter! WTF!
Yeah..
So true
Objectively speaking, you only need good people skills and a bit of tenacity to be a recruiter. What your prior work was isn't too relevant. It's a sales job, after all.
@@addanametocontinue Yes, if they have those traits. I've not run into one yet. In my experience they are obviously no good at sales.
@Will Hoyt I think you might be right! HA!
Job hunting feels like Tinder now imirite ? You get 2 or 3 interviews and get ghosted
I got paid $400 for an interview once. best date ever!
Isn't that what you should expect from Tinder?
@@ahmataevo junior developer wanted -requirements -
must have 5 years experience
must be able to lead a team and mentor other juniors and interns
must be able to understand every single part of the development process
@@ahmataevo greek gods have tiny dicks...
At least I now passed one sub requirement!
All this stress and wasted time when sometimes worse is better
I recently had a horrible experience with a CyberCoder recruiter. She shunned me for applying to a "Full-Stack" role that had no backend requirements in the job description. She was about to dismiss me when I said I was a Front-End Engineer and I asked her what the back-end requirements were and she had no idea but made me sound like an idiot for applying. She was rude. These people... they only care about checking some boxes or something.
They just want their cash fam
Exactly! Especially those recruiters with indian accent. Last time one of them was begging me to apply for a job ad. I think these recruiters performance depends on how many ppl answer to their ads and how many give out their info...
it's the bonus indeed. They treat IT guys like fresh meat on a market
Recruiters aren't techs. I can understand her response. They look for key words and thats about it.
dude i made the mistake of giving my info to revature and cybercoders, they literally spam you with emails non stop and just add your data into their database
Recruiting/recruitment is only done right when the team manager is the one doing so!
@@fmango Agreed lol!
I’m a recruitment consultant and I can tell it’s job that you do when you have no idea what you want to do with your life! Trust me, I’m trying to get out quick 😂
One thing I learned is always be applying for roles even if you're in the final stage of a hiring process. I've had verbal offers pulled right from under me!
Exactly
Same here
Facts
Never, ever stop the application/interviewing process, or turn in your notice, when all you have is a verbal offer and nothing in writing. It could be a ploy by the company to do a bait and switch on the salary/benefits, or worse, redact the verbal offer entirely if they find someone they like better, or whose willing to take less salary. Don't get played, play the game.
Yep........fire off the rockets until you're on one! Too much bait and switch nonsense to be content with anything verbal.
It actually sucks that new devs might fall for this, because they might genuinely get excited that recruiters reach out to them, when in reality they're just a mean for more profit. Great insight on the subject :D
Been applying for three months. Can confirm that the only NICE conversation's I've had were company directs. Stay away from recruiters!! Especially in 2019.
@@sierranexi You mean 'especially if they breath'? ;-)
I personally can't stand recruiters. Here in the UK they often work on commission and their company will often pay them a certain percentage of your base salary if they manage to successfully secure you in a role for a year. This leads to them basically saying or doing anything to get you in a position even if that position isn't a good match for you. When you're trying to get your foot in the door as a junior they can be helpful, but as soon as you have a few years experience I would steer clear and instead apply to companies directly.
Yeah they are a joke. I was looking for a management consulting job and this recruiter pulled me in and pitched a job that described exactly a job I was looking for and it’s at Amazon and lots of good sounding Mumbo jumbo. It was later down the line DURING the first interview that I found out it was an amazon warehouse manager work, but the damn recruiter hid it so well or maybe I was too naive... ridiculous
You forget to mention the hundreds of suitable jobs for which they turn you down.
They also like sending people to interviews for jobs they have no chance of getting, they use you as a spy to get inside info on the interview process so that they can coach a more suitable candidate.
There also seems to be a new trend of sending possible candidates through 1-week courses without getting employed for example I have had recruiter request me to attend a 4 day course and an interview at the end I mentioned that I already had the qualifications but they didn't reply so they must get some kind of compensation for putting candidates through small courses
Lol I've learned python, HTML5, CSS3 a little javascript and the syntax of C++ lmfao bought a book on machine learning with python learned the basics and applied to a JR machine learning developer/data scientist. Somehow magically landed an interview passed the phone screen with the recruiter and got an in person with the tech lead. Bro...that was the most awkward and eye opening experience ever I didnt know shit I failed miserably lmaooooo. I wanted to just teleport out of existence lol.
LMAO Elaborate
The fuck did he ask you?
This hit so close to home I actually feel it again. ( But In reality you didn't fail as bad as you think.)
Lol I can't remember all of them but after some in depth python questions that I got somewhat right it got serious. "You have a data set with missing values which spread along 1 standard deviation from the median what percentage of data would remain unaffected and why?" , "Using machine learning how would you write a recommendation system for our company and what algorithms do you think would be best?", "How do you check for a valid binary search tree?", "Write a function to return the best split for a decision tree regressor using the L2 loss." Lmao there were more but those are the ones I remember the most because I had to write psuedo code 😫.
@Rafael Ferreira I believe so it was for a Jr Machine learning developer/Data scientist
I had a terrible experience with recruiters at a huge firm that can go to hell called Robert Half Technologies. I went to them to interview for a job and at some point they went full-on rude and asked me "what do you bring to the table that would justify the employer paying us $40,000 to have found you?" It was in exactly the kind of tone it reads like it had, too. I was polite because I was in an unfamiliar place and trying to be respectful, but after I left the building I really wished I had told them to shove the job so far up their asses that they could smell the money they were losing as I walked out. Because I also already run a business, I have been getting junk mail from them wanting me to hire them to find workers for my business.
I worked for them once, they got me hired at a place that was only looking for an engineer to start their project and get it as close to MVP as possible before their in-house engineer got back from vacation and fired me. They offered me another interview, but I was done with them after that shit.
100% agree on this company.. I am not a JR level person. But once they drew me to their office and made me sit and basically test my knowledge on everything. I felt like I had taken the full mcse / cisco / cissp in one sitting. I never went back even though they were begging me to take spots they had.
I've worked an RHT post before...
The job itself was amazing and I LOVED my team, but the benefits as a contractor are abysmal and that's being nice, and even tho I had an amazing experience with that position other experiences with RHT recruiters went nowhere quick, and I realized in that moment i got lucky with that one experience
Now I know not to deal with these fools.......these guys and CyberCoders are huge, thousands of reviews on Indeed (not all bad). This tells me they will use you and dump you like garbage and don't really care for the people either. No need to deal with that.
You hit the nail on the head. Recruiters will only send the company the top 3 candidates so their only interest is getting as many qualified people in their stables. They get paid by the hiring companies and have no vested interest in helping anyone get a good job. You want to talk unethical? What about recruiters who regularly post fake jobs to lure you in. Great channel Josh!
Most Recruiters: promise the world, deliver absolutely nothing.
Dude. Stay safe. People may try to sue you for defamation (especially the companies that you're exposing for the stupid shit that they do) . There are a lot of crazy people out there. Good video BTW.
He didn't name any particular recruiters and didn't say anything that isn't an opinion so there are no grounds to sue for defamation. They can sue him anyway, but he would be able to counter-sue them for filing a frivolous lawsuit and get money out of them.
Man the worst recruiter I dealt with tried to lie and guilt trip me into taking the job. The guy told me that he had invested his own money in getting me through the process and that by me flaking on the job he was going to have trouble feeding his daughter. Good. Lmao
Lmaoooo
Bro please keep these type of videos up you’ve been a big help I go through the same things with recruiters there a pain
Real shit, can always count on you to keep it 100k
100k plssss
Never reply to recruiters; for the most part they're a waste of, time, energy and sanity. If you still haven't gotten over the employee mindset, apply to jobs on your own, attend meetups and talk to devs/recruiters in person, never over email.
You can’t hate the player hate the game. Good tinder analogy lmao
I've never been so glad to have subscribed to a channel more than yours . You give so much valuable information
Hey, Joshua, I highly appreciate what you're doing here! I've recently come across your channel in search of advice on programming and landing a job as a software developer after a Mechanical Engineering work experience. The thing is, for some years now I've been talking about recruiters, HR and companies techniques, trying to expose them even on Linkedin - yep, believe it or not, I've done that -. One of my core topics are recruiters and why they can't do sh*t, just there to make their comission and lie to you whenever they can. Nobody ever stands up, people have always made me believe I'm a fool or a crazy guy. The story is long, but I just wanted to tell you that I'm glad that you're openly talking about it. I've tried speaking up as well, but my videos are poor quality - I have no edition skills and I don't intend to acquire them or whatsoever -. The great thing is that we share exactly the same views. Every time I say the commission they make is from your salary people always raise their brows. Whenever I say that these cokroaches -plus HR - brought about the idea of stupid perks that you're actually paying from your pocket at a very high price, nobody seems to agree with me. Beers on Friday? Put that bottle back, you're paying it as if you were at a fancy restaurant. I can't believe people don't see all the scam related to recruitment agencies. But make no mistake, companies are also to blame, they benefit a great deal with this approach.
I am applying for jobs in Toronto and I had bad experiences with recruiters sa well. Also I feel like 90% of my applications are not been seen by anyone. I don't know what I can do different to get a stupid job... C#, SQL, React + ES6 experience. I only need a opportunity to show my energy and skills, but I have great problems to get my first job.
Yup
Same boat. MERN stack.
Recommend attending as many night time and weekend dev related events as you can (free ones unless you can afford to pay) and socializing with people, let them know your skills and that you're looking. Seems to be the best way right now. Way too many applicants to compete with online at the entry level, hardly any positions posted for entry-level. Once you're solid mid level, then applying online is worth the effort I think. But if that's your only option or you have time for both, then keep at it.
@@the_letter_b Thank you so much! I have been attending dev meetups as well.
I'm in same situation atm.
Recruiters 🤦♂️. Calling them out, love it 👍. Do any developers like recruiters??!
Theres a few salty ones here in the comments
Joshua Fluke I do my best not to hire developers via recruiters but some of my clients can only hire via approved recruiters and they are the worst recruiters because they are so relaxed 🤦♂️ - what’s worse than a recruiter? A lazy one because they know you can only hire from them 😭
I just landed my first job through a recruiter. I didn't have any issues with getting sent positions I wasn't partially qualified for. My college professor actually recommended that I contact the recruiter that I did and she seems to actually read my resume and only send me jobs that are related to the skills I have listed on there. The fact that I get less money when hired through a recruiter is sad though but I kept getting ghosted by companies when I applied by myself. So it was either a recruiter or continue working part-time at a fast food restaurant. Hopefully, now that I have that "stamp on my resume", I won't need a recruiter to find a position after this one ends (It is only 6 months long).
Oh c'mon.. I needed this vid 6 months ago
Sergey Sachkov same lol
Glad its out regardless
3:43 I don't trust any hiring process any more. I passed all interviews a few times only to just be told the role was removed.
that happened to me a lot this year in Covid half of them removed or canceled . Nokia told me that their UI design position was canceled I dont get why people are posting position but not hiring.
I came here for the shirt that brings out your eyes. 👁👁
Welcome to dating with josh
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Viktor Exactly ^^
Techies capable of real talk is a fucking scarcity at this point. You get down to business like a true scandinavian, man. Don't ever change ❤
A straightforward talk about recruiters, their tactics, and the practicalities of dealing with them. Thanks, man. I needed that.
Oh fam. You have become top 3 tech RUclipsrs for me, I like how It feels so organic and YOU.
I appreciate you Tino
Thanks for sharing your past experiences. It definitely help me to understand why you think the way you do. My experiences with recruiters hasn't been overwhelmingly positive either.
Wat
Went through four interviews almost 16 years ago now, passed the tests and interviews. This is for a major corp we all know, so will not name them. They offered me 20k less than what I earned back then, stating how much of a benefit it is to work in the stability of a major corp with "career options". The agent called me for weeks afterwards trying to convince me, but fortunately I found a placement at a decent company in between and ghosted the recruiter.
I also had to laugh at an agent calling telling me about this dynamic new startup with lots of "excitement" in the company. The specs were given as "COM+" with windows experience - that was it. No telling if they need C++ ATL or good old VB back then. The recruiter couldn't answer the question so I asked him not to call me again. Within my 25 years in the industry I can honestly say not much changed with these recruiters, even the ones that deem themselves as prestigious.
It is the same way with temp agencies. Rarely do you get a permanent job with the employer the temp agency has a contract with to supply temp employees until they can fill the position themselves and the temp is just out in the cold. And just to say if you put temp jobs on your resume as work experience, 99% of the time you will not get a job from them because their is a stigmatism with temp workers that they are not up to par employees and they are lacking in some way. It is BS. Form your own company as an independent contractor and if you have to work temp jobs in-between jobs use the company you temp at but do not list the temp agency that placed you and pays you. You will be better off and have a much better chance of getting a job offer. Temp workers are usually just thrown away and never get a chance to interview for the job. And almost never will a temp get that job permanently. Recruiters and temp agencies blow a**!!!
I dunno, I had a good experience with a recruiter to get my job. If it works well everyone is happy, the company finds someone, recruiter gets their money and you get a job. I was sick of applying for 200 jobs and going nowhere, then after the second recruiter I spoke to ever, I had an interview two days later and got hired. They get as much money for you as they can, and I found it motivating when he called me and psyched me up for my interview. Sometimes it's nice when someone wants you to get hired as much as you do when you're feeling down about the whole process.
I have considered getting out of my small business several times. Every recruiter I've ever talked to has wasted hours and hours of my time, and they didn't even pay for the time. Also, if you intend to get a company name and ghost the recruiter, you need to lie about your name to the recruiter. Many of the recruiter contracts with companies let the recruiter "capture" any candidate that they talk to and you'll be blocked from direct hire as a result.
Thanks for the recruiter advice. I've been getting yanked around by them recently. The interviews they send me to don't line up with my skill set and end up wasting too much of my time.
Valuable info. Thanks
One more reason why I do NEVER like to respond to CyberCoder like recruiters....they never had the full picture of the job description or the job requirements. It is hard to find recruiters that know what the employers are asking for "exactly"
One way to get a recruiter to tell you who the customer/client/company is, is to tell them that you want to make sure you are not going to get double submitted for the same role. Sometimes telling them that you get lots of calls for the same gig lets them know that they better play it straight because you are a valuable person and it is not a matter of IF you are getting an interview, it's more like when and with who is another recruiter.
Another nice one is to pre-empt them and ask them, hey is this for the "company name" job? They cannot lie to you if you guess it right and they absolutely hate that shit. When you guess it right, they usually ask if someone else submitted you yet. Tell the truth, but if you are like me, I usually wait for my preferred recruiters to eventually call me (Or I call them and ask them to represent me for it) about the gigs I know that have just hit the boards. Other faster recruiters will tell you the names of the company unlike others.
Genuis dude
Thank you man! Made the video I requested appreciate it
Hi! I’m a recruiter and I really enjoyed it. I think recruiters need to hear more of this! )))
Great material as always keep it up.
Thanks
I'm graduating in less than a year with a degree in Computer Science and Engineering. Your videos have totally helped put me into the right mindset for job hunting when I get out.
Great videos! May I suggest a video on "Toxic Employers" Toxic Employers give project management jobs to coders such that you actually don't learn anything useful working for the company. What you normally want to do is find a way to learn more stuff from your assignment(s).
Sure thing
Amazing job bro. You finally made a video talking about these recruiters (I hope you make more, there are a lot of reasons to keep this series 😂) you know, sometimes I have a strong feeling that recruiters are far from being prepared to make their work properly, I mean, of course some of them might have some kind of preparation (I hope) but they don’t even have the ability of convincing you to take their offer. There is a flagrant lack of professionalism among these people, they continuously spam you, they abuse of copy/paste methodology to capture your attention (which are very poor and lazy attempts).
I am talking from personal experience, being a junior profile (with my LinkedIn clearly saying in the title: “junior developer” I have received senior job offers looking for guys with 7 years of experience 😥, sometimes I have received offers from programming languages that I don’t even know etc.
So, companies are requiring us to perfectly know many different technologies, they require us to perform interviews with no errors... while there are important people working for these companies and doing errors all the time...
Like I said, I hope you can expose them even more, and see if this changes a bit in the future.
Lol, in all of my profiles I state that I'm ONLY looking for opportunities in my City on the West Coast and that's it - nowhere else, and I get spammy messages all the time for jobs somewhere in NC, NJ, NH. I dated a girl who was a recruiter (not in the tech industry sadly) and tried to explain what I'm interested in and what I do and her eyes just glazed over, she just kept trying to match the languages I know up with bullet points in job descriptions. Trying to explain the difference between Java and Javascript to her was tough. These recruiter's mindset is just match up as much as you can and spam, spam, spam
I had a bad experience with Chevron for a SWE position. I interviewed at school no less too! Hiring manager told me I was a good fit for the position and that I will hear from HR for an offer letter. Never heard back. Sent a few follow up emails and still never heard anything.
Had another bad experience with Keysight for a SWE position. Had 5 over the phone interviews, I hear back a couple weeks later and the position got canned. 🙄🤦🏻♂️
Hiring process sucks!
Oof
Restepa! , every scenario you mentioned happens at Helpdesk and Desktop support level, its amazing in one day you can get multiple companies with same job offer different job descriptions etc...sometimes they know your situation too well and that your deseperate your so right!
Those guys are soooo annoying with their 140k out of college offers that you know you'll never gonna get..
That ending thooo. They playing the game, so you play the game. Then beat drops. Amazing advice. Needed to hear this
I have been watching you for awhile now and love how transparent you are regarding to the hiring process and swe. This video here was very informative especially since I just recently graduated. I’m subscribed to you now.
Thank you for making these videos. It's interesting to see that others are making the same experiences with HR as I do. By now I really hate working with recruiters, to the point, that if anyone with the title HR contacts me, I try to get rid of them asap.
The worst for me is that they don't care for their clients (the companies) nor the products or the people they are trying to connect. Working with recruiters is a race to the bottom, which cannot be won, despite all the sweet talk they do.
I wonder what your thoughts are on companies working with external recruitment services, when they actually should have a good enough product, that they should be flooded with applications from potential employees.
Bruh you have perfectly described my experience with Cyber Coders to the letter! I constantly get emails saying they're hiring for 70K/80K/100K+ but want 3+ years experience when I've made it crystal clear to the recruiter that I'm looking for my first developer position lol.
Did you get the job? I applied for UI position. Im looking for my 1st UI design position and my work is in my portfolio.
@@rejuvinatez347 Nope! I ended up going elsewhere. Cyber Coders is great if you either have a Bachelor's or years of experience, not so much if you're trying to break into the market.
@@FamousWolfe what job was it for? Im going for UI.
I always get great insights whenever I watch your content. Loved your dating analogy btw.
Welcome to dating with josh
Crazy how far you've come Josh. I remember hearing your name in one of AaronInBeta's videos and I've been a sub ever since. Congrats on your success so far, and thank you for the useful and valuable information you give us.
In my experience recruiters are definitely not in the position to decide if someone's a good fit for the job. It's easy if a certain job requirement says I need to know Ruby and I have Ruby listed as one of my skills on my resume. But what if the job requirements says I must have experience with RoR, OOP and MVC... They might just go for the PHP guy, because you know... PHP is also 3 letters.
My dude you are awesome
Man this is very true stuff
From one dev to another, you give awesome advice.
Great video!, thanks for sharing!
I was gonna ask about recruiters earlier on in your stream. This vid was amazing. Thanks!
Hi Josh I'm living exactly what you are talking about now. Thanks for your advices
Time to get the info and go around
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Gang Stockers....Profile vulnerable candidates for taking their bait while destroying their lives into homelessness.
I remember back in 2013 getting called by a recruiter saying I needed 8+ years of AngularJS experience for a certain position, even though it came out only 3 years earlier (2010). I'm fairly confident that tech recruiters just run down the street screaming at the top of their lungs, shaking everybody that they come across, asking them if they are a Full Stack Developer. If only recruiters were on Tinder, every profile pic would be a dick pic (and one that isn't even theirs).
You're so right. Happens the exact same shit in Arg.
BTW the advice of "don't tell them that you are waiting another offer" is absolutely true
Cheers Josh!
great that you can expose these ideas to young developers and soon to graduate students!
Do you mean umbrellas? In the UK a recruiter never is never subcontracted, they only get a % of your first salary paid extra from your company (it has no effect on yours), the contract is direct between you and the employer.
Hey, love the channel, keeps getting better. As an ex recruiter, now training to be a software engineer, just wanted to say not every recruiter is shocking, but most are. To anyone looking for a job, try and find recruiters working for themselves or for small companies, they’re usually very niche and can look after you your whole career if you get on with each other. Avoid big recruitment companies at all costs, usually 18year olds straight out of school throwing your cv in any mailbox they can find the email address for.
Bit of advice though, if a recruiter puts you in for a job and you go to the hiring manager and try to cut out the recruiter to save the company money, it won’t work, you’ll end up jobless. The recruiter can take the company to court and get a bigger settlement than they would’ve paid in fees, avoid doing it!
I %100 percent agree with you man.
Super helpful. Thanks for the vid
Top video. Recruiters are nothing more than "second hand car salesmen".
Bullshit job position
"This isn't a junior web dev, this is a ho." - A Recruiter Named Slickback
You’ll notice recruiters always ask for a word version of the resume so they can change stuff to it.
As I understand it, they are so lazy, they run all the applicants through keyword scan to see if your resume ticks the required boxes. That’s why they want word docs and not PDFs.
@@georgecaplan11 That is when you add the white text at the bottom to hit all the keywords
new grad here, word up thx for the tips Josh!
Thanks for the videos. It's made the job search process much less daunting.
Subscribed.
Megabyte Medusa how are you doing so far?
I just realized that this is happening to me.
Josh Fluke you are really doing the world a favor with these Vids.
I really like these vids of yours Joshua, it's giving a lot of people some real information about how to find work especially if they're new to the grind. I think the "direct hire" recruiting system is more common in Japan, that's how I got my current job. Though, they kept trying to poach the devs they place so they can get another lump sum off of them, so their relationship with my company deteriorated quickly!
I love it when companies and recruiters think it's unethical to treat them the way they treat you
Recruiters, estate agents and salesmen.... The worst in the world!!
Nice outro music for this "gangsta" life style lol
really glad I stumbled upon your channel
Don't apologize to the sharks..
Correct
As a newcomer to your content and recent college graduate, I feel impelled to say that you are so inspiring and helpful. I've been somewhat overwhelmed with stress lately trying to find any kind of opportunity, and it always seems like they just slip through my fingers with no regard. It's very disheartening, but you alone have remedied this completely. I will keep you posted on my job hunting progress. Thank you so much for all your effort; I will continue to indulge on your videos. :)
How's job hunting going?
@@NavJaswal It's actually been very fruitful! I had a recruiter contact me through LinkedIn, and since then I have completed the entire interview process and am waiting on the final decision. It has been quite a positive experience thus far, and I believe I have solidified the position. Thanks for following up! I will provide another update once I receive the final word!
@@Sirstep Good for you man! I'll be waiting for a follow-up :)
@@NavJaswal Okay, so it's been quite a while, but I have some important news. I actually wasn't selected to move forward with the company when I had originally interviewed with them. I talked to my recruiter a week or so later and said that I really hoped I would have another chance with them, since they seemed to like me so much. On Monday of last week she said there was another spot that had opened up, so I went in for another interview (same position, different team). They decided to move forward with me to the second round! I was assigned to build a simple website with ASP.NET Core and Angular. I put in all my effort studying, developing, debugging, etc. Going into the second interview, I was riddled with anxiety and had no idea what to expect. I answered ~80% of the technical questions correctly, had great things to say about my skill set and passion, and enjoyed talking with each person in the interview. Literally 2 hours later, I get a call from my recruiter saying that I got the job! I start on 10/7 and am so excited! I've continued to study the two aforementioned languages (because they are relatively new to me). All the stress I mentioned in my original comment has gone away completely and been replaced with satisfaction and motivation. I'll try to give an update of how the actual job is going once I've had some time to experience it. Thanks again for caring about my progress! I'm very happy with where I am!
A note to anyone in a similar position as me: Don't think you have to be perfect. I was no where near it with this whole process. Just put in the effort and show that you care. I know it's easier said than done, and it also takes getting the right people's attention. But please don't constantly stress and second guess yourself like I did. You have to believe that you are worth it because it's true!
@@Sirstep Thank you so much for the reply. It really helps knowing about how things work in reality.
Many large companies will only work with the recruiters for 6- month-2- hire contractors. These jobs aren't usually posted.
This is some valuable info
100k by the end of next week no cap, keep it going
dude. thank you for this. i've been 'working with' recruiters for a while (fortunately contract-to-hire isn't a thing in the UK) and i just keep getting bad vibes off their used car salesman pitches. even when the jobs seem good. the level of stress involved is just not justifiable - i am better than this
13:08 - 13:12
"They're playin' a game, so you play the game-- *BEAT DROPS!!!* "
Yooo someone please sample that
I had a bad experience with a contract to hire job like this. The problem was the company. They kept the recruiter completely in the dark about start date, requirements, and on and on. I got sick of it and told the recruiter I'm out
Subbed love your videos.
Trying to get my first tech job, cant even get a recruiter to spit in my direction without experience
get a few years of experience and you will spit on them
OMG you are so right man! I receive lot of email and i dont even know some of the languages they propose me or dont even have 6-7 years experience... WTF
This also applies as a jr data analyst... I've had them ask me so many curve ball questions I only realized later I shouldnt have answered honestly smh
Of all the tech job hunting sites out there Cyber coders has to be the worst out there, the recruiters are the most clueless when it comes to tech they are nothing more than like he said salesmen.
They claim to help you get the job but they don't.
wow this is so true here in UK too. I've started to ignore them now. As soon as a job opens up in my area, I get at least 3 different recruitment companies emailing/calling me about it
Yeah they're terrible, I've worked in IT for eight years and my experience with recruiters is that they're all clueless and useless. Worst thing is 90% of tech jobs go through recruiters, largely because the HR drones are equally as clueless so they outsource their ineptitude
It's still worth going through HR directly though, as they're likely to pass your email straight onto the tech manager.
@@CynicalOldDwarf check this email out I have just received:
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How are you?
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We thought it would be a great opportunity to get to know, and meet as many of the ***** tech community as we could and get some like minded people together for a drink in a fun and relaxed environment ( and hopefully in the sun!)
We want to learn more about Tech in ***** and just meet some new friendly faces for an after work drink to celebrate the weekend! If this sounds like your cup of tea (or beer) then pop down for 20 minutes- or the full 2 hours next Friday to meet us and keep us company until we have to depart back to ****.
The event is below for more details - So, fancy a drink?
you're speaking to my heart right now. I keep getting ghosted by recruiters.
That's Exactly what you do. Avoid recruiters. They do nothing but take your money. Pimp is the best word to describe these people. I know some recruiters who pay so little it's a joke. They get twice the hourly money of the actual person working. That should be illegal.
Thanks to one of your tips in another video I was able to negotiate good salary. Thank you for being helpful!
Currenty job got through recruiter but could've gone direct. Always go direct if you can and of course the hiring manager has to be ok with going direct.