Recently picked up a 410. I also have a TSL100 and a Friedman dirty Shirley (which does a modded plexi kinda thing). The 410 has been blowing me away. What an absolute beast of an amp!
I love the comparison. It is much needed. Thank you! Crunch Orange and Crunch Red are identical circuits in the preamp sections of the 205 and 410. OD on the 205 is OD2 on the 410 as was already stated. Assuming the settings are identical, any differences can be attributed to the transformers, tubes, bias point, plate voltages and headroom, as the power amp circuit is the same between the two except for the two additional EL34s on the 410 and the parts that support them (grid stoppers and screen resistors). I’m surprised the clean mode on the 205 sounds as good as it does. I assume the gain is up fairly high since the gain control has a 1 nF bright cap which isn’t suited for cleans. Contrast this with the DSL where the bright cap becomes 100 pF when the clean mode is selected. I have the 210 and just changed crunch green to be crunch green on the 410. I also changed the OD channel to OD1 on the 410. These are straight forward mods on the control board.
Hell yeahh!! I was wondering if anyone had figured how to get the 410 od1. It typically the reason everyone moves to the 410. I would love to get a 210 and do the mod. Thanks for the wealth of info!
@@DeathMetalDevin Glad you appreciated the comment. The schematics for the JVM2 and JVM4 are pretty easy to find. On the control board of the JVM2, change C31 from 1.5nF to 1nF, C32 from 1nF to 3.3nF and R44 from 47k to 33k. Three parts and that’s it. It’s a pretty common (and simple) mod. I liked your DSL and JVM comparison video as well. Keep up the good work!
I just got a 410H last fall. I really was avoiding it for no good reason really. Maybe because I’ve had Marshalls before and I wanted to try other things?…But I gave in and I’m glad I did. Being new to the JVM amps, it was very cool to see a comparison to the 2 channel version. I was really close to going that route before settling on the 4 channel.
I got the 205 first and fell in love with Marshall's so I went the opposite way. It is very modern sounding but it finally helped me understand the brown sound. I had heard about OD1 on the 410 and curiosity got the best of me and I'm glad I have the 410. Thanks for watching! Congrats on joining the JVM team!
I came back to this on the eve of my first JVM purchase. I’m going for the 205. I’ll grab one of the 100’s at some point too. Thanks a ton. Great comparison
This is the comparison that I needed in order to make my decision. Thank you! Also to be said- I have the same outlook as you. Least amount of pedals as possible, either the amp is heavy enough for me to play or it’s not.
Great video. Ive own both these heads. They are great and very well built. I use the 50W because you can turn it right up in live situation and saturate the amp which actually makes it a better amp (from my experience). Thats the only difference. But you are right they match eachothers sounds at difference settings if you can dial them in. Btw. I only play 50W amps they are just as loud in reality as 100W with the benefit of fully driving the output tubes. Also use a mesa single rect also 50W.
I have several 50 watt amps and in a band practice setting it just cuts it. I agree that 100 watts doesn't sound too much louder but would I take a 6505 over a 5153 50 watt ? Yes. Obviously I play metal.
Ive had the 410 for 7yrs. When I first picked it up, I immediately felt regret- that I'd been sleeping on Marshall the whole time. I foolishly used to think Marshall only= ACDC or Slash. Definitely learned my lesson.
Great comparison. I've heard each separately IRL and each sounded fantastic. The 205H would suit me fine. However, I think if you're going to play with the big boys you need the extra headroom and body of the 410H - its 4 x EL34s and the big output transformer!
JVMs are awesome. I was and still partially am a peavey guy so when I played the JVM IRL it blew me away. It started my Marshall kick. I'll be doing a shootout between the VTM and the JCM 900 soon. Seemed like a suitable match to shootout.
Thanks for this brother. You seem like such a good dude! How is the noise and the loop? I hear guys complain of noise but these sound quiet. Any issues with a volume drop when thr effects loop is engaged? I've heard that complaint. Thank you!
I would agree that they are noisy, I have not tried the efx loop on this amp yet. I will give it a shot and report back. I know some efx loops do drop in volume just not sure on this one. That said, I still think this amp is amazing but for the price new all of that should have been cleaned up for sure. The 410 I have still is an awesome amp and I do plan to get the mods as well (not sure which ones yet). I do have a modded 900 and for the old school Marshall sound I use that for sure. The JVM is def a modern twist on the modern tone for Marshall. Thanks for checking out the video man!
Heyy mate! I'm trying to find out if the combo version of the 410 should sound exactly the same as the head when using the same cab, are they the exact same amp circuit and component wise?
Great video. For reference, de Lisle is pronounced “duh lyle”. It’s a French name, de l’isle, which translates to “of/from the island.” In this case, the island is full of crushing JVM tone.
Gotta open the masters up roll back the gain a bit . Far as the differrence in od 1 and 2 it the mids. Tur. The mids up on the 205 a d it will sound more like od 1 on the 410 . I have thw 205 but i want the 410 because of the crunch channel . Its awesome with a boost
Great comparison! I bought the JVM210H around when they first came out, deciding now if I want to bump up to the JVM410H. Mine seems very partial to Les Pauls, and just okay to me with almost everything else, without redialing. I wonder if the additional two channels would get them all to Marshall sonic bliss, or if I’m overthinking it because the other amps are “flagships”.
They really are awesome amps. I can say that the 410H is just more spread out on the clean/crunch. I felt like I could get the tones out of the 205 between the 2 channels on the 410. What you would really be lacking is OD1 on the 410h. It is a massive sounding tone. If you are playing live it may be harder to distinguish the 2. But for at home playing I suggest getting the 410h because you will always feel like you are missing something hahaha. Or you could buy a whole other amp and keep the 210
Thanks for the reply and information, it is appreciated. Yeah, kinda currently in that rabbit hole. I’ve had a Mesa Boogie Triple Crown TC-100 for a couple of years (3 channel, like it a lot for the tonal characteristics and versatility) thought I was going to be good with my 3 big amp setup until I saw the Friedman BE-100 deluxe (3 channel beast) and it became a must have last month. Still have to try most of the guitars through it and finish dialing things in more whenever the matching speaker cabinet shows up. I sold my Crate Blue Voodoo BV120H to a friend to make room for the Friedman but stumbled across something new, a Mezzabarba Trinity. Thinking there will be a significantly wider range of tones between those than what I would gain bumping up to the 410 for two more similar channels. The $ is also a lot more now than when I was deciding which JVM to get. I got a great deal on my 210 new and now the 410 is over twice that.
@@davej8045 If you haven't checkout out @kylebull channel yet you def should for those other amps he def has amps moving through his hands everyday and swears by the mezzabarba. I'd love to try that too. I see the Friedman as a super clean hot rodded marshall. I personally have the JJ Jr and love it. Personally, if you have the 210 put the money you would use for a 410 towards something else. I think you would get more satisfaction out of getting something new than getting the extra channel on the 410h. You will one day upgrade because I know a tone chaser when I see one hahaha.
Hahaha...Yeah, didn't really look at it as "chasing" but more of exploring sonic possibilities. I have a couple of guitars that only sound "meh" with the JVM that should be better. I couldn't bring myself to change out the neck pickup in a new guitar or the bridge in another, even though DiMarzio made me customs. I once got rid of a guitar that didn't ever sound very good to me with my original ("re-homed" solid states) amps and took me over a decade to find the right replacement. I researched the Friedman a ton before deciding on buying, (much like the Mesa and the Marshall that came before it) but the more I heard about the Trinity made me second guess myself a little after the impulse buy. I will definitely look into the amp/speaker switcher thing you used and linked to give me even more options. Started down this rabbit hole looking at Synergy, great concept but just not for me.
You may have been more right than I was aware of…It only took a like day but I had a moment of extreme weakness and caved, upgraded to the 410. Found a new one on Reverb and the seller made me a decent offer, and I jumped all over it. At least there will be the right size box with all of the packaging for when the 210 sells. How does the Delisle stuff work with different Ohms between amplifiers and speaker cabinets or do you have everything “matched”?
410h, but I'm a purist so I typically want all the channels. Od1 would be sorely missed if I had to go back to the od channel on 205/210. If you find a good deal on either go for either but my preference for versatility is 410. You can def play lamb of God, kills witch stuff happily on either
@@DeathMetalDevin yea hey ok ok. There’s prob just more heavier options and diff heavy filthy tones on the 410 you can’t get on the 210 hey? Or am I wrong. I found a used 2010 model 410h for $2,300 Canadian and a 2011 model 210h for $1,500 Canadian both in great condition is that good used prices ? and just found a used 2007 build model 410h that buddys willing to do $1,500 Canadian on but that kinda scratches me out the other two are from music shops so there’s some safety there where why is he willing to let his go so cheap is there something wrong I don’t know lol
@@mattreum4271 used market I would expect 1700 U.S. for a 410h. Hell as long as it works get it. If somethings wring with it get an amp guy that can service it. I think it's well worth it
The 410 sounds fuller and you just helped sold me the 410h. Ordering it today
Recently picked up a 410. I also have a TSL100 and a Friedman dirty Shirley (which does a modded plexi kinda thing). The 410 has been blowing me away. What an absolute beast of an amp!
I love the comparison. It is much needed. Thank you!
Crunch Orange and Crunch Red are identical circuits in the preamp sections of the 205 and 410. OD on the 205 is OD2 on the 410 as was already stated. Assuming the settings are identical, any differences can be attributed to the transformers, tubes, bias point, plate voltages and headroom, as the power amp circuit is the same between the two except for the two additional EL34s on the 410 and the parts that support them (grid stoppers and screen resistors).
I’m surprised the clean mode on the 205 sounds as good as it does. I assume the gain is up fairly high since the gain control has a 1 nF bright cap which isn’t suited for cleans. Contrast this with the DSL where the bright cap becomes 100 pF when the clean mode is selected.
I have the 210 and just changed crunch green to be crunch green on the 410. I also changed the OD channel to OD1 on the 410. These are straight forward mods on the control board.
Hell yeahh!! I was wondering if anyone had figured how to get the 410 od1. It typically the reason everyone moves to the 410. I would love to get a 210 and do the mod. Thanks for the wealth of info!
@@DeathMetalDevin Glad you appreciated the comment. The schematics for the JVM2 and JVM4 are pretty easy to find. On the control board of the JVM2, change C31 from 1.5nF to 1nF, C32 from 1nF to 3.3nF and R44 from 47k to 33k. Three parts and that’s it. It’s a pretty common (and simple) mod.
I liked your DSL and JVM comparison video as well. Keep up the good work!
@gregreynolds5278 thanks man! If I ever pick one up again I'll remember to come back to this for sure
I just got a 410H last fall. I really was avoiding it for no good reason really. Maybe because I’ve had Marshalls before and I wanted to try other things?…But I gave in and I’m glad I did.
Being new to the JVM amps, it was very cool to see a comparison to the 2 channel version. I was really close to going that route before settling on the 4 channel.
I got the 205 first and fell in love with Marshall's so I went the opposite way. It is very modern sounding but it finally helped me understand the brown sound. I had heard about OD1 on the 410 and curiosity got the best of me and I'm glad I have the 410. Thanks for watching! Congrats on joining the JVM team!
@@DeathMetalDevin cool man!!
Subbed- looking forward to more!!
I came back to this on the eve of my first JVM purchase. I’m going for the 205. I’ll grab one of the 100’s at some point too. Thanks a ton. Great comparison
This is the comparison that I needed in order to make my decision. Thank you! Also to be said- I have the same outlook as you. Least amount of pedals as possible, either the amp is heavy enough for me to play or it’s not.
But don't let an overdrive in front scare you either. There are alot of amps that really benefit from it but these amps def dont.
Great video. Ive own both these heads. They are great and very well built. I use the 50W because you can turn it right up in live situation and saturate the amp which actually makes it a better amp (from my experience). Thats the only difference. But you are right they match eachothers sounds at difference settings if you can dial them in.
Btw. I only play 50W amps they are just as loud in reality as 100W with the benefit of fully driving the output tubes. Also use a mesa single rect also 50W.
I have several 50 watt amps and in a band practice setting it just cuts it. I agree that 100 watts doesn't sound too much louder but would I take a 6505 over a 5153 50 watt ? Yes. Obviously I play metal.
100 watt have more headroom and are 25 % louder. What are you talking about bruh
Sounds great brother! I love the JVMs! What speakers are you running?
Ive had the 410 for 7yrs. When I first picked it up, I immediately felt regret- that I'd been sleeping on Marshall the whole time. I foolishly used to think Marshall only= ACDC or Slash. Definitely learned my lesson.
The JVM is that bridge for many of us who felt the same way you did
Great comparison. I've heard each separately IRL and each sounded fantastic. The 205H would suit me fine. However, I think if you're going to play with the big boys you need the extra headroom and body of the 410H - its 4 x EL34s and the big output transformer!
JVMs are awesome. I was and still partially am a peavey guy so when I played the JVM IRL it blew me away. It started my Marshall kick. I'll be doing a shootout between the VTM and the JCM 900 soon. Seemed like a suitable match to shootout.
@@DeathMetalDevin Didn't know anything about the Peavey VTM. The sales pitch for one on Reverb says the VTM120 has 6L6 power tubes. Interesting.
@@BradPham def check them out. They are basically Peavys version of a hotrodded jcm800. Hence why I'm going to shoot them out
@@DeathMetalDevin Why are so many people bitching that they are noisy, when all they need is a noise Gate pedal.
Thanks for this brother. You seem like such a good dude!
How is the noise and the loop? I hear guys complain of noise but these sound quiet.
Any issues with a volume drop when thr effects loop is engaged? I've heard that complaint. Thank you!
I would agree that they are noisy, I have not tried the efx loop on this amp yet. I will give it a shot and report back. I know some efx loops do drop in volume just not sure on this one. That said, I still think this amp is amazing but for the price new all of that should have been cleaned up for sure. The 410 I have still is an awesome amp and I do plan to get the mods as well (not sure which ones yet). I do have a modded 900 and for the old school Marshall sound I use that for sure. The JVM is def a modern twist on the modern tone for Marshall. Thanks for checking out the video man!
I only play 50 watt amps and I love the jvm205
It is a Killer amp for sure. Huge sounding through the Mesa 2x12 when I had the JVM
Heyy mate! I'm trying to find out if the combo version of the 410 should sound exactly the same as the head when using the same cab, are they the exact same amp circuit and component wise?
Great video. For reference, de Lisle is pronounced “duh lyle”. It’s a French name, de l’isle, which translates to “of/from the island.” In this case, the island is full of crushing JVM tone.
Haha that's awesome! I totally got that pronunciation wrong. JVMs are great
Gotta open the masters up roll back the gain a bit . Far as the differrence in od 1 and 2 it the mids. Tur. The mids up on the 205 a d it will sound more like od 1 on the 410 . I have thw 205 but i want the 410 because of the crunch channel . Its awesome with a boost
If you had both and had to sell one, which would you keep?
ur neighbours must love u :D
Who wouldn't! I can show them what amp they need
@@DeathMetalDevin yeah right xD
I just bought a JVM205H 50w. What are your panel tone settings on the clean and overdrive channels? I play classic rock and heavy metal.
Congrats man!!! For this video I had everything at noon except for master volume for both amps for a direct comparison
Great comparison! I bought the JVM210H around when they first came out, deciding now if I want to bump up to the JVM410H. Mine seems very partial to Les Pauls, and just okay to me with almost everything else, without redialing. I wonder if the additional two channels would get them all to Marshall sonic bliss, or if I’m overthinking it because the other amps are “flagships”.
They really are awesome amps. I can say that the 410H is just more spread out on the clean/crunch. I felt like I could get the tones out of the 205 between the 2 channels on the 410. What you would really be lacking is OD1 on the 410h. It is a massive sounding tone. If you are playing live it may be harder to distinguish the 2. But for at home playing I suggest getting the 410h because you will always feel like you are missing something hahaha. Or you could buy a whole other amp and keep the 210
Thanks for the reply and information, it is appreciated. Yeah, kinda currently in that rabbit hole. I’ve had a Mesa Boogie Triple Crown TC-100 for a couple of years (3 channel, like it a lot for the tonal characteristics and versatility) thought I was going to be good with my 3 big amp setup until I saw the Friedman BE-100 deluxe (3 channel beast) and it became a must have last month. Still have to try most of the guitars through it and finish dialing things in more whenever the matching speaker cabinet shows up. I sold my Crate Blue Voodoo BV120H to a friend to make room for the Friedman but stumbled across something new, a Mezzabarba Trinity. Thinking there will be a significantly wider range of tones between those than what I would gain bumping up to the 410 for two more similar channels. The $ is also a lot more now than when I was deciding which JVM to get. I got a great deal on my 210 new and now the 410 is over twice that.
@@davej8045 If you haven't checkout out @kylebull channel yet you def should for those other amps he def has amps moving through his hands everyday and swears by the mezzabarba. I'd love to try that too. I see the Friedman as a super clean hot rodded marshall. I personally have the JJ Jr and love it. Personally, if you have the 210 put the money you would use for a 410 towards something else. I think you would get more satisfaction out of getting something new than getting the extra channel on the 410h. You will one day upgrade because I know a tone chaser when I see one hahaha.
Hahaha...Yeah, didn't really look at it as "chasing" but more of exploring sonic possibilities. I have a couple of guitars that only sound "meh" with the JVM that should be better. I couldn't bring myself to change out the neck pickup in a new guitar or the bridge in another, even though DiMarzio made me customs. I once got rid of a guitar that didn't ever sound very good to me with my original ("re-homed" solid states) amps and took me over a decade to find the right replacement. I researched the Friedman a ton before deciding on buying, (much like the Mesa and the Marshall that came before it) but the more I heard about the Trinity made me second guess myself a little after the impulse buy. I will definitely look into the amp/speaker switcher thing you used and linked to give me even more options. Started down this rabbit hole looking at Synergy, great concept but just not for me.
You may have been more right than I was aware of…It only took a like day but I had a moment of extreme weakness and caved, upgraded to the 410. Found a new one on Reverb and the seller made me a decent offer, and I jumped all over it. At least there will be the right size box with all of the packaging for when the 210 sells. How does the Delisle stuff work with different Ohms between amplifiers and speaker cabinets or do you have everything “matched”?
Which would you suggest to get? The 210 or 410? I loveee playing killswitch wngage , lamb of god , pantera etc etc
410h, but I'm a purist so I typically want all the channels. Od1 would be sorely missed if I had to go back to the od channel on 205/210. If you find a good deal on either go for either but my preference for versatility is 410. You can def play lamb of God, kills witch stuff happily on either
@@DeathMetalDevin yea hey ok ok. There’s prob just more heavier options and diff heavy filthy tones on the 410 you can’t get on the 210 hey? Or am I wrong.
I found a used 2010 model 410h for $2,300 Canadian and a 2011 model 210h for $1,500 Canadian both in great condition is that good used prices ? and just found a used 2007 build model 410h that buddys willing to do $1,500 Canadian on but that kinda scratches me out the other two are from music shops so there’s some safety there where why is he willing to let his go so cheap is there something wrong I don’t know lol
@@mattreum4271 used market I would expect 1700 U.S. for a 410h. Hell as long as it works get it. If somethings wring with it get an amp guy that can service it. I think it's well worth it
Nice job
Thanks! Great amps
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