Watching the RTX 5090 review on Hardware Unboxed only showed me how good the 7900 XTX is. Today, I saw a comparison of the 5090 to the XTX by Daniel Owen, and I was surprised by the 1% FPS lows. The RTX 5090 is not stable at all...
@@laszlozsurka8991 This is the most powerfull card from Nvidia, which is supposed to cost 2k, but we know that due to very poor supply and being in the hands of scalpers, you won't see it for less than 3k. At such a price, problems with drivers or coil whine, for example, shouldn't happen. It's like buying the most expensive car from a manufacturer and expecting the engine roughness :)
5090 is a new card and it is going to take time before it has good drivers. Just look at how the 4080 super was slightly faster than 7900xtx at release but once AMD got their drivers sorted it is today faster in average.
@ It's not an excuse lol. 5090 hasn't even launched officially yet, only the review samples are out. It's gonna take time until the 5090 gets all the proper game drivers. Look at Intel ARC... that GPU was a mess at launch but it's much better now.
Im fortunate to have a rtx 4070 ti and a Sapphire Nitro Plus 7900xtx and I do prefer the 7900xtx. I think people underestimate pure rasterization and 24gigs of ram. I will say dlss looks better than fsr but to be honest I play native resolution no ray tracing and no upscaling. Im a 100% satisfied with that. A good game to judge pure rasterization is Alan Wake 2. That game will put your gpu to the test. Both cards are good for content creation as well
Raster is a dead end. Traditional rendering is on the chopping block. Gamers need to get used to the idea that every game will eventually be path traced with AI and neural rendering. Give it 10 more years.
Sad to see the pc platform is growing over consoles, but it chooses to overcharge. Gaming culture is being eaten by corporate greed. Soon enough we will go back to playing marbles and throwing horse shoes as a gaming experience.
@@Scouserboots I agree. Both companies are as bad as eachother. It's why we shouldn't be shilling for either. I vote we go back to marbles 🤣 life will be easier.
@@ScoriloOfficial I did make a mistake with what I wrote about PC, but being mostly a console gamer, you kinda get blinkered by anything but what you play the most on. PC is king for sure!
I got my hellhound 7900xtx for 800. I think the cheapest 5090 you will realistically find is the ventus for around 300+ over msrp. People are comparing the launch price of the 7900xtx to the launch price of the 5090 founders edition. The comparisons start looking a lot worse when you realize you’ll probably never find a 5090 under 2400 and the 7900xtx dipped below 800 a few times. The 5090 would literally have to 3x the 7900xtx in raw raster to even start being worth value consideration
AMD slogan i come up with. AMD - Start the bloodbath in game not on youre Bank Account. I am a Nvidia Fan but these days its really hart to justify this prices.
The 7900XTX doesn’t suck, it’s a last gen Gpu. But even then 24gb of ram is plenty for the average user base. Nobody has 1,500-2000 dollars laying around…
I upgraded from a 3090 to a 7900xtx and ive been mostly happy with it. Its a beast and all the quirks seem to have finally been worked out for my setup. I am considering a 5090 if its possible to get ahold of one but if i cant, Ill be happy till the 60 series.
Also, as you pointed out the AMD colors are better. I don't think Nvidia can do a proper yellow or red. The yellow has too much green hue and the red is too orange. The yellow is very bad.
Not really, Andrew as he's shown in previous videos likes cranking colour saturation all the way to right which isn't really accurate colours. From my experience both of them have a colour problem when it comes to DLSS and FSR, go watch one of the PSSR comparison videos and you'll see just how bland and washed out colours get with DLSS and FSR enabled while PSSR retains nice contrast.
@Spr1ggan87 Nvidia has trouble with yellows and reds that I didn't notice with AMD. Now to be fair it could be that the 4090 I'm using only has DP 1.4 while the 7900XT I had was using UHBR 13.5. I had a 4080 on a 4K and I didn't remember this much difference but I was using a 4K at the time. Yet that was a 240 Hz HDR. So that should have stressed the bandwidth even more than my 6K HDR that I currently have. The 1.4 bandwidth might be compressing too much. I am only using the 4090 because it is an AIO model that can fit in my build. I ordered the AsRock Creator 7900XTX that is a two slot card that should get here tomorrow. Regardless, I want my colors back. I'll try and nab a 5090 FE or AIO because of the DP UHBR 20, but I'm not holding my breath.
@@robertmyers6488 nah ,you have problem my man with not knowing how to fix that ,,or you didnt even try to fix it ,,,you go to nvidia control panel ,,then adjust video color settings ,,there you have 3 mini tabs ,color-gamma -advance ..there you go gamma and add a little bit red ,,and on green you remove it a little bit ,,to fix your yelow you are complaining for no reason ,,and be sure you use rgb 8bit or 10 bit full colors
@@AiVirtualBot AMD works right out of the box, and it is frankly absurd to have to micro manage the the color like I'm playing with a 1980s CRT. The colors are flat and incorrect. Just because Nvidia can't do a good yellow doesn't mean that it isn't important. Astonishing that they have gotten away with this for so long. And yes, I tried all the manipulations. I have it set as well as I can which isn't good enough. The colors just aren't good.
Daniel Owen also compared the visual quality of FSR / DLSS in Cyberpunk when FSR 3 is a straight downgrade in visual quality over FSR 2.1 (so much so they left both in the game). What makes it maddening because FSR 3 uses FSR 2.2, which is effectively the same as FSR 2.1. Does CDPR add FSR 3.1? No. They will add Nvidia features day 1 though.
not sure on the daniel owens hate , he isn't hyping up the 5090 at all and seems disappointed in it but yall coming at him like he's #1 nvidia fanboy lol. yall delusional
@@Dmachtz Criticism ≠ Hate. I believe that's important for you to know. Secondly, I didn't accuse him of hyping the 5090. Lastly my faults lie with not explaining the situation that is FSR in Cyberpunk, and drawing visuals comparisons off a flawed implementation. By all accounts, you have nothing to argue and are the delusional bootlicker here.
The simple fact is this, if I'm going to pay $2000 I want 100fps minimum in cyberpunk with full path tracing with no upscaling, pure native. But instead we have a 40fps stuttery mess, excuses and brown nosing, oh yea and an extra 30% price hike. It's ridiculous, if people can't see how NVidia of robbing them blind at this point I don't think there's any point anymore.
@@_godsl4yer_ That's not the point. Nvidia since the 2000 series has always upsold people on these RT features that haven't been *playable* until now with a high end card. If they weren't pricing the cards at a premium, no one would be critical of it
@@_godsl4yer_ 2 fucking thousand dollars! this thing should be completely crushing everything and doing barrel rolls at the same time, but it's not is it, still have to use dlss and frame gen.
@ RT has been pretty playable since 3000 series...I still have my old 2070 super and that does low ray tracing just fine on Cyberpunk. I mean yea sure, it isn't that good, or wasn't that good. Still isn't all that but it takes time and incremental updates. You aren't going to get it to where you want it to be all in one go.
I just bought a saphire Nitro+ after seeing the abysmal value of the 5000 series. Im coming from a 1080ti. Pairing the xtx with a 9800x3d i just bought at my local MC
Froggy why did you change from the 3rd fastest on the market to 2nd fastest... Bro both 4090 and 5090 are faster its Third... For at least another week! then maybe 4th we will see. I stand by my statement that the 90 class are for Development rather than gaming, Do I think its worth 2k?... for a Dev or 3D Renderer.... YES!... For a gamer... NO! But even so, the 5090 is still 60%+ faster than the 7900XTX in Rasta!!... That is like forging a 7800xt too your 7900xtx bro.
You buy Nvidia if you have work to do. You buy AMD if you game. Intel if you game casually and still want to do some productivity tasks with your old NVIDIA GPU.
The FACT that they always USE that nvidia 's GOOD BOY aka CyberBug 2077 to show how "weak" 7900xtx vs their RTX instead of CALLING OUT nvidia for MANIPULATED the customer ... is funny for me to see 😂
This generation is ridiculously overpriced for no reason. We are talking about scalping prices, this generation has to be the worst since the 2000 series. Also, please stop pretending that you AMD guys only prefer to play in raster. You are all using fsr and FG and you wish you had good ray tracing performance but since you don't you just have to disregard it and try to diminish it. There are issues with gaming today but it's not about the upscalers solely.
4080super is terrible card in my opinion because it's 16GB is already getting maxed out 4k and 1440p games are eating most than half of it's 16GB VRAM . 4080 and 4080 Super just a 4090 teaser with less VRAM so you will be tempted to buy 4090 to full enjoy RT with no VRAM limitations .
Bro you are out of your fkn mind. I have a 4080 and PURPOSELY never turn on RT or DLSS. There is NO universe in which I will turn on RT, Path Tracing, etc. There's no universe in which I'll upscale. I do not give a hickory smoked horse fk about any of that stuff. I turn my settings to high or ultra, tinkering w/ each setting depending on what it impacts (lows, times, latency) and then leave it alone forever. There are an ABUNDANCE of people who don't give a damn about RT the fact that the people who obsess over it can't grasp this is patent lunacy.
we dont need 5000 series gpus we need LOSLLES SCALING sold on steam for 7 bucks create your own fps for games and movies and youtube its a miracle software that generates frames differently from nvidia and amd but can be used on any hardware
dlss looks nice, but the 12GB vram on the 5070 is just not enough; also have you tried going VSR 5120 by 2880 and using FSR? I don't like going 4k to 1440p because the pixels don't line up, I would rather use more fsr and at least get a perfect square of 4 pixels for every real pixel.
I really like AFMF, with Lossless Scaling FG the interpolated frame is a mash of frames, looking warped and combined. Sometimes with regions of the screen deleted. AFMF doesn't do that, but it does have a dithering type effect, but IMO it's a better trade off. Plus it's a hotkey since it's a part of the driver, you can just enable when ever you feel like. And unlike LS FG you can use it in both full screen and windowed, it also doesn't break when recording. AFMF is goated and if AMD can improve it then we just keep winning.
Off-topic but headsup for Ninja Gaiden 2 players, if you're having performance issues, make sure to change the resolution in Windows instead of in-game 👍
Ryzen 7700x + rx 7800 xt oc + 1080p monitor if my money will go anywhere it will be to a 1440p monitor. I can play everything I want to and that’s all that matters
I honestly dont know what your saying man! Daniel made it extremely clear it wasn't a fair comparison however he needed to show the highest AMD vs NVidia graphics cards available. Some people on XTX knowing they will be running the entire next generation with no upgrade over the XTX will want to see this information. Its not Daniel's fault AMD are not bringing a stronger gpu with RDNA4.. If buying a 4080 rrp $1000 vs a 7900xtx rrp $1000 and using DLSS balanced or performance to run 4k pathtracing isnt a high end experience "and looking good"... Can you explain to me exactly how the XTX offers better?
Is it performance or balanced dlss when it pushes the old quality dlss? Isnt that the mantra..you cant have an opinion if you dont own it. Im sorry someone doesnt own a nvidia gpu with dlss4 ..so should keep dlss4 out their mouth ( im saying this in Will Smith voice 😂) You know what the xtx is better than a 5090. Amd is bringing their own transformer...Fuzztron to the xtx. I give up. Im done. 😂
Why is Daniel comparing the visual quality of DLSS4 vs FSR3 in Cyberpunk when its worse than 2.1 and the game doesn't have 3.1? Especially when CDPR gimped FSR in this game looking way worse than XESS, when FSR in other games are almost always similar to XESS.
@c523jw7 The XTX is a beast as is the 4080,4090 and so on. The butthurt reactions from his video is absolutely insane. I watched it and saw it as exactly what I expected. He was incredibly fair on the XTX. I didn't see him poke fun or belittle the gpu at all. He pointed out FSR is a weakness, which is absolute truth and no one can deny that. The reaction he's got, he should have done the video saying I'm running this 5090 against this absolute piece of garbage and then laughed at every benchmark saying how pathetic and weak the XTX was. He would have got the same reaction.
I have had a faultless 4 years of 1080p and 1440p gaming on my 3060 12gb playing high refresh rate and had a blast! That being said... if you want to get into PC gaming, start with your budget... then decide on Resolution to fit your budget... Rough guide with new hardware and the base platforms... 1080p being the cheapest option, you can build a high refresh rate experience for around £700-800 with.... - 12400F,B660,32GB DDR5,1TB NVME,B580,850W PSU 1440p... the system is going to be £1200-2000-ish - 12600KF,B660,32GB DDR5,1TB + 1TB NVME, 4070S/5070-7800XT/7900GRE,1000W 4k ''Gaming''... You balling and paying a premium for it at £2000+ - 7800X3D/9800X3D,X870,32GB+ DDR5, 1TB + 2TB+ NVME , 4080S/5080 - 7900XT/7900XTX,1000W+ (14900k+Z790...as well I suppose, but if you Balling... X3D innit!) Game Developer or 3D renderer, ''Pro-ssumer'' Workstation £4000+ - 14900k/U9.285K - 7950/9950+, Z790/Z890-X870, 64GB-128GB DDR5, 1TB + 2TB + 2TB NVME, 4090/5090, 1200W+ My only issue with AMD 'Platform' is at the low to mid end entry is cost, you need to add £200+ to the CPU & MOBO to match the Intel Offering with DDR5, the 12400f is £100 & the 12600kf is £150, a B660 MOBO with 3xM.2 is £140ish. AMD B series MOBO's don't tend to support many M.2 at that price range, 2 if your lucky. And the 7700x is 10%ish faster than the 12600kf for 100% more money! So I don't get too much hate from the AMD Fanboys... there is a reason why I went Intel in those base systems, and with 12th Gen remarkably Intel is the ''Budget Choice!" 🤣🤣
And Nvidia's Frame generation is 4 times worse than Lossless Scaling... Completely disappointing to pay an absurd price for dlls4 frame generation and just spend 6 euros to have the same experience.
2k 144hrz is the sweet spot imo, beyond that just chase frames... also obvious caveat of genre, but 100fps minimum go 1080 if need be. 4k is dumb (diminishing returns)
Man, as soon as I saw the reviews dropping from guys like Linus, Gamers Nexus, Daniel Owen's, etc for the 5090, the only thought in my head was "my god, this shit again", lol. I used to look forward to new hardware so much and loved reviews. Now I can't, I just can't anymore. Can't even click the videos. Just the same shit, different day with hardware reviews. Like I respect that you make these raw commentary videos and don't just say the same thing everyone else is saying. At least it's something different to think about. Good video, bro!
Tbf Cyberpunk is not a good example of FSR. Its not 3.1 and it oddly looks significantly worse than XESS in the game, which isn't the case in other games
@@Ireland-m5p I share the frogs opinion that fsr no matter which version is used looks better on amd than nvidia. I owned rog stx lc top rx 6900 xt before this. And i tested that card with all the frs versions at 2k resolution that came during the time which i had it. Used lukefz mods always when the new version came out. In my opinion this dlls upgrade is the best i've ever seen upscaling be.
@@Ireland-m5pI put on cyberpunk to see the new transformer model and was shocked at how clean dlss perofrmance is. Even hair the fizzle is literally cleaned up. Ghosting gone basically. It's night and day. Everyone is saying this.
@robertmyers6488 what do you mean they don't work the same? I've undervolted and overclocked both Nvidia and AMD. And had similar results with both. Your not gonna see a considerable difference and what you do is on a per game basis. If the gpu's were compared both as stock settings what's your problem?
@@Spratty-wb3is You don't know how to do it correctly. To begin with it isn't on a per game basis. I also owned a 4080 as well as a 7900 XTX. There is considerably more headroom for performance in the 7900 series as they are overvolted at stock substantially reducing their performance. As well as under powered. This is not true for the Nvidia cards. You can go to AncientGamePlays reviews to to see for yourself. Go see YesTechCity's review of the 5090. He undervolted it to reduce temperatures. What he didn't do is use the voltage to increase the performance. You can't do that on the 7900s. You have to use the frequency and power limit to do the same on the 7900s. Decreasing voltage and increasing power limit is how you OC a 7900. They don't work the same. How is that my problem? If one card OCs much better than the other then that is quite relevant.
@robertmyers6488 I know exactly how to overclock or undervolt AMD or Nvidia gpu's. I also know the gains are game dependent. An overclock on either gpu will not give you the exact same gains in every game. Then you take into account all the different aib models and then silicone lottery as not every single gpu will overclock the same even if it's the exact same model. There's a reason gpu's are benchmarked using stock settings. Ancient Gameplay showing what his gpu overclocks to means what exactly? I assume you've not noticed the benchmark tables on 3d mark where the same model of gpu can have considerably different results when being overclocked?
Don't worry. When they price the 5090 at 2400 for the MSI supreme and 2800 for the Asus astral they have priced these cards out the market. AI frames will be more the norm going forward with improvements in quality and latency
Honestly, I'm glad he did make the video because everyone is not upgrading from a 4090 some people like myself are upgrading from a 7900 XTX and would like to see what we are getting ourselves into
I know people need to have "the best" and think it's some sort of flex. But people buying the RTX 5090 are feeding Nvidia's greed. If people quit buying these overpriced cards, they would be forced to reduce prices. But no, "I need to have the current fastest card" that will only be fastest for a year. $2000+ for a video card is absurd and they are lying about it, makes it even worse.
5090 fomo is hitting and people are going bananas for NVIDIA. There isn't a big game coming out to showcase the 5090 like you saw with the 3080(cyberpunk), 2080(control), 4080(alan wake2) 4080super(Wukong?). The only thing its for is pushing old games on a 4k/240hz oled.
Is the experience of DLSS really that bad that everyone hates on it? It seems to me Nvidia 100% committed to DLSS being the future choosing die space for DLSS and RT over pure rasterization. In theory they could’ve gone for just pure Rasta if they wanted to but them as the experts decided that RT and DLSS is the future from what I can tell DLSS to DLSS4 is a huge upgrade. I will withhold my judgement until more drivers and more reviews on DLSS4 comes out. I’m getting tired of all the hating on new technology. This technology is improving quite fast is just a couple gens old and the complaints are over minor things. It is maturing it has improved and I think everyone will be grateful once it’s fully matured and they manage to make DLSS feel native in the future. I want to see the latency difference from DLSS4 and 3 since that’s the number 1 complaint in addition to blurring and artifacts. I think we should give DLSS a genuine chance. It’s improving a lot gen over gen addressing the issues with every iteration. The biggest complaint now is you can’t game like a pro in fps multiplayer. Pro play fps games are usually played in lower res and pro play fps games have shitty graphics compared to 4k RPG games. DLSS 4 with reflex 2 addresses latency issue probably not perfect but a step forward. Mind you there’s isn’t a professional fps game that requires 4k and has demanding graphics. In non fps games dlss4 from reviews I’m seeing is a good to huge improvement over DLSS3 greatly improving things in 4k single player games while also reducing blur, and artifacts. Why is this such a big problem? The difference from native to dlss4 is barely noticeable and sometimes not noticeable at all. At the rate it’s improving and DLSS6 or 7 is indistinguishable from native then who gives a fuck?
Yup it’s sad they dig up 2022 cards just to show the massive gains of the legendary 5090 in 2025 which is nothing more than a 40 series refresh with software gimmicks. Ask yourself is a software upgrade really worth an extra $1500-$2000 because that’s what it will cost with the obscene prices. Saw a comparison between three images of the same game and the one still image with DLSS 4 looks terrible. Why would people want to pay more for less?
I have no idea which direction to go. I have a 5700xt, and I want to upgrade. I game at 1440p. I thought the 5080 would be a good upgrade, but Im not sure if it's the best price/performance ratio. Maybe the 5070Ti , 7900xtx, or the new 9070xt. The gpu market is a mess right now.
Yup... I will never run at that power for hours of gaming. My electric bill would go through the roof. I'm buying AMD 7900xtx if I can get it for around 800.
honestly i have a 3080 10gb so im stuck a little I wanna do a 5080 since its 2 gens above my own card but if I can get a 7900xtx for around same price that would also be nice too but its very confusing lol
I'm just waiting for AIBs to officially state how much they are going to charge for their cheapest 9070XT models. It's likely not going to be pretty. My guess would be MSRP+ at least 75 to 100 dollars.
Nvidia added all this ray tracing and DLSS hype to their cards so they could charge more. A lot of people fell for it back when the 2000 series came (me included I bought a 2080ti at launch). Nvidia are robbing people blind now games are so unoptimised they rely on FSR & DLSS with frame generation to get the game to actually work.
I think, also in part, that AMD is making sure there is a lot of stock of GPUs in place for day one. And yes it strting to look like that the 5090 is a 4090TI
Mate, DLSS 4 is actually fucking awesome. I've had a few AMD cards, 6900xt was beating all 30390's in time spy, a toxic extreme model and it sold for a third of what I paid for it 2.5 years later. Unfortunately Nvidia is the best and people want Nvidia. From an investment perspective, unless AMD drop prices dramatically it doesn't work.
the 7900xtx is slightly weaker than a rtx4090. 7900xtx is a monster. i built a new pc in 2024 and its all AMD, with intel having all the problems it has and nvidia over charging cuz they can.
6:41 The twitter user is saying that he does not have the time to commit to learning the basics about pc's. One video is not going to help him out. You don't need to know/study alot of technical stuff to understand the very core basics of knowing what parts to get, it just takes a stupid amount of time since there is a lot to consider.
That happens every time when GPUs are EOL, its normal thing that happens every time. Few left on stock, lets raise prices to the moon, who really needs it he will buy it.
First of all, people need to shut up about what the pricing is for the 9070 cards. I lost a lot of respect for guys like Jason at PC Builder, with over 500K subscribers, says the 9070XT should be priced at $449. The 5070 12GB is $549 and slower with less VRAM. Make some sense. What a disaster of a launch already, isn't it? A $2,000+ card that consumes over 770w that's merely 20% faster than the already overpriced 4090. But nVidiots will buy whatever's the new shining green card hand over fist.
LMAO. Great title. Seriously though, the 5080 is the most fascinating. Apparently benchmarks are showing its only 10-15% better than the 4080 super. AMD with their 9070XT that's supposedly close to the 4080 might be mid range banger - IF THEY PRICE IT WELL. Not far off the 5080 at half the price? Lets pray they don't mess up pricing lol.
The 5080 encoders are a new gen, Im looking forward to that. But I'm wondering if Nvidia framegen performance is tied to physical components like it was for 40-series. The framegen sucked bad for Nvidia compared to AMD last gen.
I got a feeling it’s gonna be the same as the 5090 were the more demanding the game is the higher to performance will be. The most demanding games when tested on the 5090 had closer to 35% performance increase compared to the 4090.
You really should have kept that 4080 look at how its gone up and all the features it got. You sold it and lost alot of money, no one could see this coming though. Frog dlss4 at performance dlss is incredible now at 4k with the new tech. Im stoked at the image im getting and fps i will get now. Just stick to the xtx your gonna be spending an arm and a leg to get a 5080 for such a mediocre increase in performance. You will only regret it. Plus you dont care for this tech...your wasting money man.
Frame generation is awesome as long as you don't have to turn anywhere... honestly, would be pissed to even have to turn on ai frame generation and to a much lesser extent, upscaling for anything on a $2k graphics card.
The 9070xt has little raster uplift from 7900gre at +£200 price with no upscaling ready, but more AI cores! Nvidia priced it lower with more cores and a working upscaler! So they cancelled the show and pushed it back too March. The 16ram on the 9070 is low for future proofing, it would be hard to say it worth buying at the same price as the gre. £600 should get you a 7900xt which will have 20gb and more raster. Maybe a deal on the XTX but it's not dropping like the 7900xt. Bad next generation of cards.
I made the switch from Xbox to pc gaming 2 years ago, after match research I settled on AMD, simply because of the bang for buck you get from AMD. . I am super happy with team red. Anyone on a budget go with AMD.
lets be fair. the 7900 xtx is a budget card. its good for the price but it cant compare to either the 4090 or the 5090 in performance. its probably more around the 4080/70
Daniel owens is a hack I remember watching when he started, and he had to actually buy his graphic cards he had a totally different opinion toward amd and nvidia, he was actually unbais in fact he even had a 6800 xt that he was pushing and even was pro fsr 2 after the first nvidia gpu he was sent(3090 ti) his coverage became very lop sided and dlss and raytracying became the most amazing thing ever. Lame go back and watch
Every reviewer i have watched, said that one game does favour one brand or the other. And when they revuiew the performance they mention it again if it favours the amd or the nvidia brand. Not sure how much more upfront you want to be? I also dont think have like 100 games reviews does not help neither. My game never got reviewed in that review ever. but that is fine, they can only do so much.
The 5000 series is a joke, and it's funny how they released the most powerful line with the 5090 to the public, or the "4090ti" as we're calling it now. It's clearly a linear progression of cost/power per FPS. With 600 watt power spikes, no thanks. I appreciate your thoughts on this.
The thing is 7900xtx has those high power draw as well, while not giving u performance to do anything u want. And amd users don't complain there. While getting shafted on all the game changing tech. But nvidia has a high power draw card and gives u access to all options if u choose(that's the big point)but that power draw is bad now lol. People are goofy and confused these days. But or don't. Just like anything in life u choose. But u do get more from nvidia at least if u spend the money. Not saying the price is good, cuz it's not. But it will give what your looking for if u do
look at rtx vs rx, rtx needs more power and cores to perform amd does not its a waste that people still like nvidia also theres no need for raytracing its just stupid i rather have bad lighting and better textures than inversed
None of the games currently available use any of the neural features Nvidia talked about so we're not going to see what the arch can do until someone releases something with those features implemented. The massive issue Nvidia will have with that though is that 99.9% of devs will not care about using the time and money working on those features if the current consoles can't do them (and they can't). With AMD i have the sinking feeling that they're waiting to see how much the real pricing for 50 series ends up being (scalpers) so they can raise their prices.
This is what im thinking too. Why would they try and drop the price too much. Look at 7000 series. Really hope they price thr 9070xt right, i want that thing to succeed big time.
@c523jw7 Scalper prices looking absolutely brutal as well, seeing 5090s listed for 7 grand. It's looking like it's gonna be 30 series all over again, 1k+ mid range cards.
@@Spr1ggan87seeing the 4080 go up that much also shows nvidia really added alot of value with these new features too. Very worrysome. I will now not sell a gpu before I get a new one. It's way to risky. I hope you get whatever card you want man btw 🤜🤛
The 7900xtx aint trash... To be fair some nvidia features are missing, but its still powerful, gamers generally wwnt real frames. Those glitchy MFGen are horrible.
Frog, but the 4080 super has the OPTION to use path tracing your $1000 XTX can't even do it. More options = Better. When the 9070XT for $600 and reviews compared with the $549 5070 is that fair? IMO Yes...
Bruh Daniel owen is fair..he isnt biased like u..actually he says positive things about amd more than he should. He compared nvidias best vs amds best n 5090 is miles ahead..just accept it.. did u just compare afmf to mfg wtf
Frog at this point is full of dog sh*t, he can't cope the fact that Nvidia is better, he's always finding a st*pid excuses, that's why i insubscribed from his channel
Ofcourse 5090 can push more fps but most of that pushing is AI dlss 4. Kind absurd to compare raw power of a amd card with fake frame producing nvida card.
@@1love06 he didnt do that..he did different comparisons n he keeps stating that frame gen performance isnt real performance..i think he probably said it over 10 times in a video so stop hating the guy
Thats not what i heard cards are sold out and not everybody has that kinda money to spend on a power hungry gpu and most people don't need a gpu like that as it cost more for proper gaming monitors and a Cpu to match it. Aren't there states you can't even run this Gpu has it draws to much power. In my country this Gpu would cost a arm and a leg in electricity bills
I think the Owen video was pointless, perhaps just a funny sidequest, but not a real comparison. I mean the majority of the video this was about RT and 4xframegen..., both topics, where we know the 7000 gpus are bad it, in comparison to nvidia. There were small section, where RT and framegeneration were disabled...but like 90% of the video it was not. Its like seeing a race between a proathlete and a kid in a wheelchair....we know, who will win.
hardware unboxed review on the msi version and see power consumption of up to almost 800watts alone to run the 5090!, and to get a fraction more or even less performance than the 4090.
sold my 4090 for 1500 so the 5090 will cost me max 1000.00 24gb of vram im maxing out when i use ai for work, for me im going to run the 5090 at 70 percent powerlimit so will run at 400w like the 4090 but get 20-25 percent more frames, at the moment i find 60-90 fps perfect so for me the 5090 its good for gaming for great for ai, as time moves on 5090 will become a great card as people will see dlss not bad, most complain about fake frames but then again 80 percent of people use dlss so that is 20 percent who won't touch dlss,
I was thinking a lot like you Frog when I first got the 7900XTX, I didn't truly believe the hype of DLSS But after using DLSS a lot more on the 4080 Super DLSS does a better job than native TAA Only gotta watch Terras latest video on Rebirth DLSS Balanced and DLSS performance all look better than FSR Quality now You''ll see that for yourself once you get a 5080 Hopefully with FSR 4 coming that evens things up
@@Frogboyx1gaming You won't truly believe it until you see it up close bro trust, I had to use it for like 6 months to realise it🤣 On videos youtube it's harder to notice it But DLSS 4 is actually now even better and looking like DLAA or round abouts at least So DLSS performance makes even more sense to use if that looks just as good then you get the extra fps as well
5080 will only be 10-15 percent increase over 4080. Will be closer but will not surpass the 4090. People selling their 4090 to get a 5080 are gonna be disappointed.
I got a feeling it’s gonna be the same as the 5090 were the more demanding the game is the higher to performance will be. The most demanding games when tested on the 5090 had closer to 35% performance increase compared to the 4090.
No. The thing is, the 7900XTX is about $800-900. Also the thing is, the 5080 will be $1200-1800 for AIB cards (most can never get a FE model). And the 5080 and the 7900XTX wil be neck on neck regarding raster performance. With the 5080 having the better upscaler (at least until FSR4), and better RT performance.
@@Audiosan79pretty sure this is a bot, the comment above it says the same thing almost word for word. Also you’re right, there are no msrp 4080s its crazy to suggest that price in any good faith argument.
I just looked at your comments on Daniels video. "How many AMD users are still watching Daniel Owen 🤔 and why? That's not cool man.. As a content creator to another, you should know and do better..
you can play games with a 4060Ti easily at 1080p/1440p...I wouldnt worry about it. Also honestly without DLSS 5090 still seems like a mostly 1440p CARD. I expected 144fps/240fps natively at 4K without DLSS. Maybe the 6000 series lol. I kind of expected 8K 60-144fps by now without DLSS. Especially for the price. Thankfully game devs arent making games for people that own a 3090/4090/5090. They have to make games for the 5060 and the AMD equivilent. I found turning ALL the freesync/GSync stuff OFF, my game performance latency experience was much much better. a 4090 i can only imagine a 5090. Its aroun $4'000....i BETTER get 144fps MINIMUM for that typoe of money DLSS OFF lol....otherwise you might aswell spend a fraction of that, play in 1440p and get a 5060ti and just be happy with that or the AMD high end cards. Because $4'000 and you are not getting 144fps minimum to match your monitor hz...what a waste of fcking money.
Well gee fellers with the profit margins in data center and workstation graphics market I am surprised that Nvidia would still even market cards for "gamers". They sure make you pay $$$$ for it and/or shift the gamer to a lesser performance tier of hardware with a software value hook. As for myself 100 to 120 fps is plenty of performance if it runs smooth and don't constantly crash. This is the performance level of my 6800 xt with an 11700 k in stalker 2 when I use FSR native aa with frame generation. It doesn't do me any favors to argue DLSS or DLAA is better as my AMD can't use those techs without a hack job. I do have a crash problem in the Rostok base but that's a game flaw where the memory leak causes the game to lock up necessitating a game restart. Keep up the discussions I enjoy reading the comments.
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Watching the RTX 5090 review on Hardware Unboxed only showed me how good the 7900 XTX is.
Today, I saw a comparison of the 5090 to the XTX by Daniel Owen, and I was surprised by the 1% FPS lows. The RTX 5090 is not stable at all...
5090 is a new card. It hasn't received all the drivers yet.
@@laszlozsurka8991 This is the most powerfull card from Nvidia, which is supposed to cost 2k, but we know that due to very poor supply and being in the hands of scalpers, you won't see it for less than 3k.
At such a price, problems with drivers or coil whine, for example, shouldn't happen. It's like buying the most expensive car from a manufacturer and expecting the engine roughness :)
@@laszlozsurka8991Wait that was people's excuse for not buying and. Because nvidia had complete launch day drivers. Lmfao the excuses are flying.
5090 is a new card and it is going to take time before it has good drivers. Just look at how the 4080 super was slightly faster than 7900xtx at release but once AMD got their drivers sorted it is today faster in average.
@ It's not an excuse lol. 5090 hasn't even launched officially yet, only the review samples are out. It's gonna take time until the 5090 gets all the proper game drivers.
Look at Intel ARC... that GPU was a mess at launch but it's much better now.
Im fortunate to have a rtx 4070 ti and a Sapphire Nitro Plus 7900xtx and I do prefer the 7900xtx. I think people underestimate pure rasterization and 24gigs of ram. I will say dlss looks better than fsr but to be honest I play native resolution no ray tracing and no upscaling. Im a 100% satisfied with that. A good game to judge pure rasterization is Alan Wake 2. That game will put your gpu to the test. Both cards are good for content creation as well
Raster is a dead end. Traditional rendering is on the chopping block. Gamers need to get used to the idea that every game will eventually be path traced with AI and neural rendering. Give it 10 more years.
@@03chrisvframe gen will simply never fly for anyone playing multiplayer fps games where you typically want high framerate.
@@03chrisv yep. long as they fix the latency in frame gen im good. Devs n tech have always developed more efficient ways ..
@@jcdenton868 Then Ai upscaling it is.
I just bought an RX7900XTX and paired it with a 34" OLED 2k widescreen... and its the absolute nuts
Agree on the whole, 1440p being the standard and not 4k.
Yeah people need to come to grips, we aren't there yet
Me, still chilling at 1080p🧍🏽♂️
some games don't like 4k and act weird.
The 5090 will retail for $3000, no one is getting it for MSRP. Having said that the 7900XTX is literally sub $1000…
it will be 2500+ and the 6090 will be 3000
7900 xtx 6,144 stream processor against 5090 21760 cuda cores can get you 50% of the performance for a fraction of the price
Sad to see the pc platform is growing over consoles, but it chooses to overcharge. Gaming culture is being eaten by corporate greed. Soon enough we will go back to playing marbles and throwing horse shoes as a gaming experience.
@@Scouserboots I agree. Both companies are as bad as eachother. It's why we shouldn't be shilling for either. I vote we go back to marbles 🤣 life will be easier.
Growing over consoles?!?!...😂😂😂
PC is the KING, IT WAS...IS...IT WILL ALWAYS BE...
PC gaming is being ruined by egotistical tech bros.
@@ScoriloOfficial I did make a mistake with what I wrote about PC, but being mostly a console gamer, you kinda get blinkered by anything but what you play the most on. PC is king for sure!
HAHA i come from a time when that and throwing a ball at a kerb was our gaming experience lol.
I got my hellhound 7900xtx for 800. I think the cheapest 5090 you will realistically find is the ventus for around 300+ over msrp.
People are comparing the launch price of the 7900xtx to the launch price of the 5090 founders edition. The comparisons start looking a lot worse when you realize you’ll probably never find a 5090 under 2400 and the 7900xtx dipped below 800 a few times. The 5090 would literally have to 3x the 7900xtx in raw raster to even start being worth value consideration
AMD slogan i come up with. AMD - Start the bloodbath in game not on youre Bank Account. I am a Nvidia Fan but these days its really hart to justify this prices.
The 7900XTX doesn’t suck, it’s a last gen Gpu. But even then 24gb of ram is plenty for the average user base. Nobody has 1,500-2000 dollars laying around…
9:49 "When I use fsr, I don't lose alot of image quality" Does flickering and ghosting, by definition, hurt the image quality?
for freaks it does sir !!
Yeah too many people cope on FSR. It's pretty bad. It has lots of artifacts while also looking grainy and have bad motion blur.
Only for Digital Foundry
I upgraded from a 3090 to a 7900xtx and ive been mostly happy with it. Its a beast and all the quirks seem to have finally been worked out for my setup. I am considering a 5090 if its possible to get ahold of one but if i cant, Ill be happy till the 60 series.
Yeah 5090 would be awesome but I am not excited to see the prices for it.
So you upgraded for 13% improvement, and ddr6x for plan ddr6.
The rx yes does run faster at 2.5ghz vs 1.7ghz for the rtx.
Also, as you pointed out the AMD colors are better. I don't think Nvidia can do a proper yellow or red. The yellow has too much green hue and the red is too orange. The yellow is very bad.
Not really, Andrew as he's shown in previous videos likes cranking colour saturation all the way to right which isn't really accurate colours. From my experience both of them have a colour problem when it comes to DLSS and FSR, go watch one of the PSSR comparison videos and you'll see just how bland and washed out colours get with DLSS and FSR enabled while PSSR retains nice contrast.
@Spr1ggan87 Nvidia has trouble with yellows and reds that I didn't notice with AMD. Now to be fair it could be that the 4090 I'm using only has DP 1.4 while the 7900XT I had was using UHBR 13.5. I had a 4080 on a 4K and I didn't remember this much difference but I was using a 4K at the time. Yet that was a 240 Hz HDR. So that should have stressed the bandwidth even more than my 6K HDR that I currently have. The 1.4 bandwidth might be compressing too much. I am only using the 4090 because it is an AIO model that can fit in my build. I ordered the AsRock Creator 7900XTX that is a two slot card that should get here tomorrow. Regardless, I want my colors back. I'll try and nab a 5090 FE or AIO because of the DP UHBR 20, but I'm not holding my breath.
@@robertmyers6488 nah ,you have problem my man with not knowing how to fix that ,,or you didnt even try to fix it ,,,you go to nvidia control panel ,,then adjust video color settings ,,there you have 3 mini tabs ,color-gamma -advance ..there you go gamma and add a little bit red ,,and on green you remove it a little bit ,,to fix your yelow you are complaining for no reason ,,and be sure you use rgb 8bit or 10 bit full colors
@@AiVirtualBot AMD works right out of the box, and it is frankly absurd to have to micro manage the the color like I'm playing with a 1980s CRT. The colors are flat and incorrect. Just because Nvidia can't do a good yellow doesn't mean that it isn't important. Astonishing that they have gotten away with this for so long.
And yes, I tried all the manipulations. I have it set as well as I can which isn't good enough. The colors just aren't good.
NScamdia does it again !! many reviewers are actually calling the 2000 dollar 5090 the "4090Ti"
Daniel Owen also compared the visual quality of FSR / DLSS in Cyberpunk when FSR 3 is a straight downgrade in visual quality over FSR 2.1 (so much so they left both in the game). What makes it maddening because FSR 3 uses FSR 2.2, which is effectively the same as FSR 2.1. Does CDPR add FSR 3.1? No. They will add Nvidia features day 1 though.
not sure on the daniel owens hate , he isn't hyping up the 5090 at all and seems disappointed in it but yall coming at him like he's #1 nvidia fanboy lol. yall delusional
@@Dmachtz Criticism ≠ Hate.
I believe that's important for you to know. Secondly, I didn't accuse him of hyping the 5090. Lastly my faults lie with not explaining the situation that is FSR in Cyberpunk, and drawing visuals comparisons off a flawed implementation.
By all accounts, you have nothing to argue and are the delusional bootlicker here.
nvidia sabottaging works
The simple fact is this, if I'm going to pay $2000 I want 100fps minimum in cyberpunk with full path tracing with no upscaling, pure native. But instead we have a 40fps stuttery mess, excuses and brown nosing, oh yea and an extra 30% price hike. It's ridiculous, if people can't see how NVidia of robbing them blind at this point I don't think there's any point anymore.
You don't understand this if you think they can just pull frames out of their ass. Why not 200 FPS? I want 240 FPS.
@@_godsl4yer_ That's not the point. Nvidia since the 2000 series has always upsold people on these RT features that haven't been *playable* until now with a high end card. If they weren't pricing the cards at a premium, no one would be critical of it
@@_godsl4yer_ 2 fucking thousand dollars! this thing should be completely crushing everything and doing barrel rolls at the same time, but it's not is it, still have to use dlss and frame gen.
@ That's not how it works. If they charge it 5000 dollars it isn't going to change the reality of how things work...
@ RT has been pretty playable since 3000 series...I still have my old 2070 super and that does low ray tracing just fine on Cyberpunk. I mean yea sure, it isn't that good, or wasn't that good. Still isn't all that but it takes time and incremental updates. You aren't going to get it to where you want it to be all in one go.
I just bought a saphire Nitro+ after seeing the abysmal value of the 5000 series. Im coming from a 1080ti. Pairing the xtx with a 9800x3d i just bought at my local MC
Nice you will love the XTX my friend especially with the 9800X3D
Froggy why did you change from the 3rd fastest on the market to 2nd fastest... Bro both 4090 and 5090 are faster its Third... For at least another week! then maybe 4th we will see. I stand by my statement that the 90 class are for Development rather than gaming,
Do I think its worth 2k?... for a Dev or 3D Renderer.... YES!... For a gamer... NO!
But even so, the 5090 is still 60%+ faster than the 7900XTX in Rasta!!... That is like forging a 7800xt too your 7900xtx bro.
You buy Nvidia if you have work to do. You buy AMD if you game. Intel if you game casually and still want to do some productivity tasks with your old NVIDIA GPU.
The FACT that they always USE that nvidia 's GOOD BOY aka CyberBug 2077 to show how "weak" 7900xtx vs their RTX instead of CALLING OUT nvidia for MANIPULATED the customer ... is funny for me to see 😂
Right
Don’t hate on my baby cyberpunk🤚it was smooth as butter for me
16gb aint going to last much longer for 4k
This generation is ridiculously overpriced for no reason. We are talking about scalping prices, this generation has to be the worst since the 2000 series.
Also, please stop pretending that you AMD guys only prefer to play in raster. You are all using fsr and FG and you wish you had good ray tracing performance but since you don't you just have to disregard it and try to diminish it.
There are issues with gaming today but it's not about the upscalers solely.
AMD with no Ray Tracing is a NO GO for me, I play everything with RT. 4080 Super has been godly for me.
@@PROUD_CANADIAN78 AMd has caught up with 9070 series.
4080super is terrible card in my opinion because it's 16GB is already getting maxed out 4k and 1440p games are eating most than half of it's 16GB VRAM .
4080 and 4080 Super just a 4090 teaser with less VRAM so you will be tempted to buy 4090 to full enjoy RT with no VRAM limitations .
It's been ridiculously overpriced since the RTX 3000 series scalper scammer crypto miner boom COVID days it's not a new thing my dude 😂
Bro you are out of your fkn mind. I have a 4080 and PURPOSELY never turn on RT or DLSS. There is NO universe in which I will turn on RT, Path Tracing, etc. There's no universe in which I'll upscale.
I do not give a hickory smoked horse fk about any of that stuff. I turn my settings to high or ultra, tinkering w/ each setting depending on what it impacts (lows, times, latency) and then leave it alone forever. There are an ABUNDANCE of people who don't give a damn about RT the fact that the people who obsess over it can't grasp this is patent lunacy.
we dont need 5000 series gpus
we need LOSLLES SCALING sold on steam for 7 bucks
create your own fps
for games and movies and youtube
its a miracle software
that generates frames differently from nvidia and amd
but can be used on any hardware
dlss looks nice, but the 12GB vram on the 5070 is just not enough; also have you tried going VSR 5120 by 2880 and using FSR? I don't like going 4k to 1440p because the pixels don't line up, I would rather use more fsr and at least get a perfect square of 4 pixels for every real pixel.
Also running a 7900xtx, I liked Daniel's video. He even said it wasnt really worth upgrading if rasta is what you play with.
I really like AFMF, with Lossless Scaling FG the interpolated frame is a mash of frames, looking warped and combined. Sometimes with regions of the screen deleted. AFMF doesn't do that, but it does have a dithering type effect, but IMO it's a better trade off. Plus it's a hotkey since it's a part of the driver, you can just enable when ever you feel like. And unlike LS FG you can use it in both full screen and windowed, it also doesn't break when recording. AFMF is goated and if AMD can improve it then we just keep winning.
I definitely agree with you
Off-topic but headsup for Ninja Gaiden 2 players, if you're having performance issues, make sure to change the resolution in Windows instead of in-game 👍
how?
Ryzen 7700x + rx 7800 xt oc + 1080p monitor if my money will go anywhere it will be to a 1440p monitor. I can play everything I want to and that’s all that matters
I honestly dont know what your saying man!
Daniel made it extremely clear it wasn't a fair comparison however he needed to show the highest AMD vs NVidia graphics cards available.
Some people on XTX knowing they will be running the entire next generation with no upgrade over the XTX will want to see this information.
Its not Daniel's fault AMD are not bringing a stronger gpu with RDNA4..
If buying a 4080 rrp $1000 vs a 7900xtx rrp $1000 and using DLSS balanced or performance to run 4k pathtracing isnt a high end experience "and looking good"...
Can you explain to me exactly how the XTX offers better?
Is it performance or balanced dlss when it pushes the old quality dlss?
Isnt that the mantra..you cant have an opinion if you dont own it.
Im sorry someone doesnt own a nvidia gpu with dlss4 ..so should keep dlss4 out their mouth ( im saying this in Will Smith voice 😂)
You know what the xtx is better than a 5090. Amd is bringing their own transformer...Fuzztron to the xtx.
I give up. Im done.
😂
Shinmerscream too 😂😂
Seriously though..xtx is still a beast and the fact it was put against the 5090 almost highlights it is a beast of a card still.
Why is Daniel comparing the visual quality of DLSS4 vs FSR3 in Cyberpunk when its worse than 2.1 and the game doesn't have 3.1? Especially when CDPR gimped FSR in this game looking way worse than XESS, when FSR in other games are almost always similar to XESS.
@Ireland-m5p so he's comparing the highest in version upscalers in the game that are available,and you have a problem with that?
@c523jw7 The XTX is a beast as is the 4080,4090 and so on.
The butthurt reactions from his video is absolutely insane.
I watched it and saw it as exactly what I expected.
He was incredibly fair on the XTX.
I didn't see him poke fun or belittle the gpu at all.
He pointed out FSR is a weakness, which is absolute truth and no one can deny that.
The reaction he's got, he should have done the video saying I'm running this 5090 against this absolute piece of garbage and then laughed at every benchmark saying how pathetic and weak the XTX was.
He would have got the same reaction.
I have had a faultless 4 years of 1080p and 1440p gaming on my 3060 12gb playing high refresh rate and had a blast!
That being said... if you want to get into PC gaming, start with your budget... then decide on Resolution to fit your budget...
Rough guide with new hardware and the base platforms...
1080p being the cheapest option, you can build a high refresh rate experience for around £700-800 with....
- 12400F,B660,32GB DDR5,1TB NVME,B580,850W PSU
1440p... the system is going to be £1200-2000-ish
- 12600KF,B660,32GB DDR5,1TB + 1TB NVME, 4070S/5070-7800XT/7900GRE,1000W
4k ''Gaming''... You balling and paying a premium for it at £2000+
- 7800X3D/9800X3D,X870,32GB+ DDR5, 1TB + 2TB+ NVME , 4080S/5080 - 7900XT/7900XTX,1000W+
(14900k+Z790...as well I suppose, but if you Balling... X3D innit!)
Game Developer or 3D renderer, ''Pro-ssumer'' Workstation £4000+
- 14900k/U9.285K - 7950/9950+, Z790/Z890-X870, 64GB-128GB DDR5, 1TB + 2TB + 2TB NVME, 4090/5090, 1200W+
My only issue with AMD 'Platform' is at the low to mid end entry is cost, you need to add £200+ to the CPU & MOBO to match the Intel Offering with DDR5, the 12400f is £100 & the 12600kf is £150, a B660 MOBO with 3xM.2 is £140ish. AMD B series MOBO's don't tend to support many M.2 at that price range, 2 if your lucky.
And the 7700x is 10%ish faster than the 12600kf for 100% more money!
So I don't get too much hate from the AMD Fanboys... there is a reason why I went Intel in those base systems, and with 12th Gen remarkably Intel is the ''Budget Choice!" 🤣🤣
And Nvidia's Frame generation is 4 times worse than Lossless Scaling... Completely disappointing to pay an absurd price for dlls4 frame generation and just spend 6 euros to have the same experience.
2k 144hrz is the sweet spot imo, beyond that just chase frames... also obvious caveat of genre, but 100fps minimum go 1080 if need be. 4k is dumb (diminishing returns)
Dont feel bad you dont have a 5090, life could be way worse my friend. Appreciate what you have.
fluid motion frames allows me to play at my 8k TV using the 7900 XTX
Man, as soon as I saw the reviews dropping from guys like Linus, Gamers Nexus, Daniel Owen's, etc for the 5090, the only thought in my head was "my god, this shit again", lol. I used to look forward to new hardware so much and loved reviews. Now I can't, I just can't anymore. Can't even click the videos. Just the same shit, different day with hardware reviews.
Like I respect that you make these raw commentary videos and don't just say the same thing everyone else is saying. At least it's something different to think about. Good video, bro!
You are definitely welcome 🙏
You can download lossless scaling (Frame Gen) and make an old card have double or more performance for $6.99
I tried dlls 4 upscaling in cyberpunk today at 2k resolution with my 4080 super. And it's much better than previous versions or fsr.
Tbf Cyberpunk is not a good example of FSR. Its not 3.1 and it oddly looks significantly worse than XESS in the game, which isn't the case in other games
@@Ireland-m5p I share the frogs opinion that fsr no matter which version is used looks better on amd than nvidia. I owned rog stx lc top rx 6900 xt before this. And i tested that card with all the frs versions at 2k resolution that came during the time which i had it. Used lukefz mods always when the new version came out. In my opinion this dlls upgrade is the best i've ever seen upscaling be.
@@Techbro669 interesting
@@Ireland-m5pI put on cyberpunk to see the new transformer model and was shocked at how clean dlss perofrmance is. Even hair the fizzle is literally cleaned up. Ghosting gone basically. It's night and day. Everyone is saying this.
Yea its a smooth experience as well
And you know that not a single one of these reviewers is undervolting and adjusting the power for the 7900 XTX.
Are they undervolting and adjusting power on the Nvidia gpu's?
@@Spratty-wb3is They don't work the same. But sure go ahead and try.
@robertmyers6488 what do you mean they don't work the same?
I've undervolted and overclocked both Nvidia and AMD.
And had similar results with both.
Your not gonna see a considerable difference and what you do is on a per game basis.
If the gpu's were compared both as stock settings what's your problem?
@@Spratty-wb3is You don't know how to do it correctly. To begin with it isn't on a per game basis. I also owned a 4080 as well as a 7900 XTX. There is considerably more headroom for performance in the 7900 series as they are overvolted at stock substantially reducing their performance. As well as under powered. This is not true for the Nvidia cards. You can go to AncientGamePlays reviews to to see for yourself.
Go see YesTechCity's review of the 5090. He undervolted it to reduce temperatures. What he didn't do is use the voltage to increase the performance. You can't do that on the 7900s. You have to use the frequency and power limit to do the same on the 7900s. Decreasing voltage and increasing power limit is how you OC a 7900. They don't work the same.
How is that my problem? If one card OCs much better than the other then that is quite relevant.
@robertmyers6488 I know exactly how to overclock or undervolt AMD or Nvidia gpu's.
I also know the gains are game dependent.
An overclock on either gpu will not give you the exact same gains in every game.
Then you take into account all the different aib models and then silicone lottery as not every single gpu will overclock the same even if it's the exact same model.
There's a reason gpu's are benchmarked using stock settings.
Ancient Gameplay showing what his gpu overclocks to means what exactly?
I assume you've not noticed the benchmark tables on 3d mark where the same model of gpu can have considerably different results when being overclocked?
5090 is hilarious
Don't worry. When they price the 5090 at 2400 for the MSI supreme and 2800 for the Asus astral they have priced these cards out the market. AI frames will be more the norm going forward with improvements in quality and latency
5% of steam users use AMD GPU's according to steam hardware data. There is a reason.
Honestly, I'm glad he did make the video because everyone is not upgrading from a 4090 some people like myself are upgrading from a 7900 XTX and would like to see what we are getting ourselves into
Not sure if we would be happy with a 5090 either. Like, can we get real performance and not have to rely on fake resolution and fake frames?
I know people need to have "the best" and think it's some sort of flex. But people buying the RTX 5090 are feeding Nvidia's greed. If people quit buying these overpriced cards, they would be forced to reduce prices. But no, "I need to have the current fastest card" that will only be fastest for a year. $2000+ for a video card is absurd and they are lying about it, makes it even worse.
5090 fomo is hitting and people are going bananas for NVIDIA. There isn't a big game coming out to showcase the 5090 like you saw with the 3080(cyberpunk), 2080(control), 4080(alan wake2) 4080super(Wukong?). The only thing its for is pushing old games on a 4k/240hz oled.
Is the experience of DLSS really that bad that everyone hates on it? It seems to me Nvidia 100% committed to DLSS being the future choosing die space for DLSS and RT over pure rasterization. In theory they could’ve gone for just pure Rasta if they wanted to but them as the experts decided that RT and DLSS is the future from what I can tell DLSS to DLSS4 is a huge upgrade. I will withhold my judgement until more drivers and more reviews on DLSS4 comes out. I’m getting tired of all the hating on new technology. This technology is improving quite fast is just a couple gens old and the complaints are over minor things. It is maturing it has improved and I think everyone will be grateful once it’s fully matured and they manage to make DLSS feel native in the future. I want to see the latency difference from DLSS4 and 3 since that’s the number 1 complaint in addition to blurring and artifacts. I think we should give DLSS a genuine chance. It’s improving a lot gen over gen addressing the issues with every iteration. The biggest complaint now is you can’t game like a pro in fps multiplayer. Pro play fps games are usually played in lower res and pro play fps games have shitty graphics compared to 4k RPG games. DLSS 4 with reflex 2 addresses latency issue probably not perfect but a step forward. Mind you there’s isn’t a professional fps game that requires 4k and has demanding graphics. In non fps games dlss4 from reviews I’m seeing is a good to huge improvement over DLSS3 greatly improving things in 4k single player games while also reducing blur, and artifacts. Why is this such a big problem? The difference from native to dlss4 is barely noticeable and sometimes not noticeable at all. At the rate it’s improving and DLSS6 or 7 is indistinguishable from native then who gives a fuck?
Yup it’s sad they dig up 2022 cards just to show the massive gains of the legendary 5090 in 2025 which is nothing more than a 40 series refresh with software gimmicks.
Ask yourself is a software upgrade really worth an extra $1500-$2000 because that’s what it will cost with the obscene prices.
Saw a comparison between three images of the same game and the one still image with DLSS 4 looks terrible. Why would people want to pay more for less?
All depends on what you are upgrading from.
I have no idea which direction to go. I have a 5700xt, and I want to upgrade. I game at 1440p. I thought the 5080 would be a good upgrade, but Im not sure if it's the best price/performance ratio. Maybe the 5070Ti , 7900xtx, or the new 9070xt. The gpu market is a mess right now.
I am not buying any card that uses 500w.
Yup... I will never run at that power for hours of gaming. My electric bill would go through the roof. I'm buying AMD 7900xtx if I can get it for around 800.
In price to performance or just performance?
In performance the 5090 is 66% faster
In price to performance the 5090 is 66% faster for 110% more money
honestly i have a 3080 10gb so im stuck a little I wanna do a 5080 since its 2 gens above my own card but if I can get a 7900xtx for around same price that would also be nice too but its very confusing lol
I'm just waiting for AIBs to officially state how much they are going to charge for their cheapest 9070XT models. It's likely not going to be pretty. My guess would be MSRP+ at least 75 to 100 dollars.
Nvidia added all this ray tracing and DLSS hype to their cards so they could charge more. A lot of people fell for it back when the 2000 series came (me included I bought a 2080ti at launch). Nvidia are robbing people blind now games are so unoptimised they rely on FSR & DLSS with frame generation to get the game to actually work.
I'm staying with AMD, while I can still play with over 120fps @ 1440p.. Why spend money I really don't need to spend..
Mark my words, for people with a normal budget The 9070 XT will be the car to buy.
I think, also in part, that AMD is making sure there is a lot of stock of GPUs in place for day one. And yes it strting to look like that the 5090 is a 4090TI
Mate, DLSS 4 is actually fucking awesome. I've had a few AMD cards, 6900xt was beating all 30390's in time spy, a toxic extreme model and it sold for a third of what I paid for it 2.5 years later. Unfortunately Nvidia is the best and people want Nvidia. From an investment perspective, unless AMD drop prices dramatically it doesn't work.
the 7900xtx is slightly weaker than a rtx4090. 7900xtx is a monster. i built a new pc in 2024 and its all AMD, with intel having all the problems it has and nvidia over charging cuz they can.
Xess 2 dll for 7900 xtx is very good
6:41 The twitter user is saying that he does not have the time to commit to learning the basics about pc's. One video is not going to help him out. You don't need to know/study alot of technical stuff to understand the very core basics of knowing what parts to get, it just takes a stupid amount of time since there is a lot to consider.
That happens every time when GPUs are EOL, its normal thing that happens every time. Few left on stock, lets raise prices to the moon, who really needs it he will buy it.
First of all, people need to shut up about what the pricing is for the 9070 cards. I lost a lot of respect for guys like Jason at PC Builder, with over 500K subscribers, says the 9070XT should be priced at $449. The 5070 12GB is $549 and slower with less VRAM. Make some sense. What a disaster of a launch already, isn't it? A $2,000+ card that consumes over 770w that's merely 20% faster than the already overpriced 4090. But nVidiots will buy whatever's the new shining green card hand over fist.
LMAO. Great title. Seriously though, the 5080 is the most fascinating. Apparently benchmarks are showing its only 10-15% better than the 4080 super. AMD with their 9070XT that's supposedly close to the 4080 might be mid range banger - IF THEY PRICE IT WELL. Not far off the 5080 at half the price? Lets pray they don't mess up pricing lol.
The 5080 encoders are a new gen, Im looking forward to that. But I'm wondering if Nvidia framegen performance is tied to physical components like it was for 40-series. The framegen sucked bad for Nvidia compared to AMD last gen.
I got a feeling it’s gonna be the same as the 5090 were the more demanding the game is the higher to performance will be. The most demanding games when tested on the 5090 had closer to 35% performance increase compared to the 4090.
If you are buying a 50|80/90 for gaming alone, I honestly feel sorry for you. 😢 This generation is BAD.
Why I don’t care about benchmarks rather than my own .i can care less about a halo product that 96% don’t want it will buy
dude these leaked 5090 AIB prices are crazy
For real
I don't understand the desire to move to the upscaling over AFMF.
You really should have kept that 4080 look at how its gone up and all the features it got. You sold it and lost alot of money, no one could see this coming though.
Frog dlss4 at performance dlss is incredible now at 4k with the new tech. Im stoked at the image im getting and fps i will get now.
Just stick to the xtx your gonna be spending an arm and a leg to get a 5080 for such a mediocre increase in performance. You will only regret it.
Plus you dont care for this tech...your wasting money man.
nvidia uses gamers to fund it's tech development to serve other businesses
earlier it was miners
now it's AI
gamers are being used by nvidia
Frame generation is awesome as long as you don't have to turn anywhere... honestly, would be pissed to even have to turn on ai frame generation and to a much lesser extent, upscaling for anything on a $2k graphics card.
Definitely going with AMD 8000/9000 Series or Nvidia 5000 Series GPU'S over AMD 7000 Series because they have more Cutie Cores.
Frog thanks, man for being honest with the technology updates. You are making decisions easier for gamers. Respect 👊
I appreciate that!
The 9070xt has little raster uplift from 7900gre at +£200 price with no upscaling ready, but more AI cores!
Nvidia priced it lower with more cores and a working upscaler! So they cancelled the show and pushed it back too March.
The 16ram on the 9070 is low for future proofing, it would be hard to say it worth buying at the same price as the gre. £600 should get you a 7900xt which will have 20gb and more raster. Maybe a deal on the XTX but it's not dropping like the 7900xt. Bad next generation of cards.
I made the switch from Xbox to pc gaming 2 years ago, after match research I settled on AMD, simply because of the bang for buck you get from AMD. . I am super happy with team red. Anyone on a budget go with AMD.
i play on 1440p 170hz + 12700K + rtx 4070ti super . i can play any game
lets be fair. the 7900 xtx is a budget card. its good for the price but it cant compare to either the 4090 or the 5090 in performance. its probably more around the 4080/70
Daniel owens is a hack I remember watching when he started, and he had to actually buy his graphic cards he had a totally different opinion toward amd and nvidia, he was actually unbais in fact he even had a 6800 xt that he was pushing and even was pro fsr 2 after the first nvidia gpu he was sent(3090 ti) his coverage became very lop sided and dlss and raytracying became the most amazing thing ever. Lame go back and watch
yup he's a clown.
Exactly brother
I'm going to keep my 7700 for at least 3 more years. I will buy AMD again over Nvidia on price point alone.
Every reviewer i have watched, said that one game does favour one brand or the other. And when they revuiew the performance they mention it again if it favours the amd or the nvidia brand. Not sure how much more upfront you want to be? I also dont think have like 100 games reviews does not help neither. My game never got reviewed in that review ever. but that is fine, they can only do so much.
The 5000 series is a joke, and it's funny how they released the most powerful line with the 5090 to the public, or the "4090ti" as we're calling it now. It's clearly a linear progression of cost/power per FPS. With 600 watt power spikes, no thanks. I appreciate your thoughts on this.
The thing is 7900xtx has those high power draw as well, while not giving u performance to do anything u want. And amd users don't complain there. While getting shafted on all the game changing tech. But nvidia has a high power draw card and gives u access to all options if u choose(that's the big point)but that power draw is bad now lol. People are goofy and confused these days. But or don't. Just like anything in life u choose. But u do get more from nvidia at least if u spend the money. Not saying the price is good, cuz it's not. But it will give what your looking for if u do
look at rtx vs rx, rtx needs more power and cores to perform amd does not its a waste that people still like nvidia also theres no need for raytracing its just stupid i rather have bad lighting and better textures than inversed
also upscaling is good when the game(any game) looks pixelated at low settings or resolutions
None of the games currently available use any of the neural features Nvidia talked about so we're not going to see what the arch can do until someone releases something with those features implemented.
The massive issue Nvidia will have with that though is that 99.9% of devs will not care about using the time and money working on those features if the current consoles can't do them (and they can't).
With AMD i have the sinking feeling that they're waiting to see how much the real pricing for 50 series ends up being (scalpers) so they can raise their prices.
This is what im thinking too. Why would they try and drop the price too much. Look at 7000 series.
Really hope they price thr 9070xt right, i want that thing to succeed big time.
@c523jw7 Scalper prices looking absolutely brutal as well, seeing 5090s listed for 7 grand. It's looking like it's gonna be 30 series all over again, 1k+ mid range cards.
@@Spr1ggan87seeing the 4080 go up that much also shows nvidia really added alot of value with these new features too.
Very worrysome. I will now not sell a gpu before I get a new one. It's way to risky.
I hope you get whatever card you want man btw 🤜🤛
@c523jw7 Oh i won't be getting a new one soon, i'm gonna have to save but was thinking the 5070Ti, i want to see how the 9070XT turns out as well.
The 7900xtx aint trash... To be fair some nvidia features are missing, but its still powerful, gamers generally wwnt real frames. Those glitchy MFGen are horrible.
Frog, but the 4080 super has the OPTION to use path tracing your $1000 XTX can't even do it. More options = Better. When the 9070XT for $600 and reviews compared with the $549 5070 is that fair? IMO Yes...
im still pretty happy 5 years later with my 6900XT. There just arent any new games out worth upgrading for.
LOL I am actually pretty happy with my Rog Ally on my new 1080p screen its awesome
current GPU can already run all games so paying overprice for such an expensive GPU (5090) is worthless
People will still buy making room for more of this treatment.
Bruh Daniel owen is fair..he isnt biased like u..actually he says positive things about amd more than he should. He compared nvidias best vs amds best n 5090 is miles ahead..just accept it.. did u just compare afmf to mfg wtf
Yeah, this video is just AMD copium.
Frog at this point is full of dog sh*t, he can't cope the fact that Nvidia is better, he's always finding a st*pid excuses, that's why i insubscribed from his channel
Ofcourse 5090 can push more fps but most of that pushing is AI dlss 4. Kind absurd to compare raw power of a amd card with fake frame producing nvida card.
@@1love06 he didnt do that..he did different comparisons n he keeps stating that frame gen performance isnt real performance..i think he probably said it over 10 times in a video so stop hating the guy
Thats not what i heard cards are sold out and not everybody has that kinda money to spend on a power hungry gpu and most people don't need a gpu like that as it cost more for proper gaming monitors and a Cpu to match it. Aren't there states you can't even run this Gpu has it draws to much power. In my country this Gpu would cost a arm and a leg in electricity bills
I have 7900 GRE Pulse build with 32gb ram 6000 Mt/s and amd 7500F and I really love it, ps5 is collecting dust. I didnt run my ps5 over 6 months XD
Where are the benchmarks? WTF with this video?? Only bla bla bla with no metrics? Hhhmmmm good work mate!! 😂😂
amd is king the 7900xtx taichi white is the most beautiful card ever made
Is it true that AMD isn't making a high end GPU this generation?
Yeah
I think the Owen video was pointless, perhaps just a funny sidequest, but not a real comparison. I mean the majority of the video this was about RT and 4xframegen..., both topics, where we know the 7000 gpus are bad it, in comparison to nvidia. There were small section, where RT and framegeneration were disabled...but like 90% of the video it was not. Its like seeing a race between a proathlete and a kid in a wheelchair....we know, who will win.
hardware unboxed review on the msi version and see power consumption of up to almost 800watts alone to run the 5090!, and to get a fraction more or even less performance than the 4090.
sold my 4090 for 1500 so the 5090 will cost me max 1000.00 24gb of vram im maxing out when i use ai for work, for me im going to run the 5090 at 70 percent powerlimit so will run at 400w like the 4090 but get 20-25 percent more frames, at the moment i find 60-90 fps perfect so for me the 5090 its good for gaming for great for ai, as time moves on 5090 will become a great card as people will see dlss not bad, most complain about fake frames but then again 80 percent of people use dlss so that is 20 percent who won't touch dlss,
I was thinking a lot like you Frog when I first got the 7900XTX, I didn't truly believe the hype of DLSS
But after using DLSS a lot more on the 4080 Super
DLSS does a better job than native TAA
Only gotta watch Terras latest video on Rebirth
DLSS Balanced and DLSS performance all look better than FSR Quality now
You''ll see that for yourself once you get a 5080
Hopefully with FSR 4 coming that evens things up
Definitely looking forward to it
@@Frogboyx1gaming You won't truly believe it until you see it up close bro trust, I had to use it for like 6 months to realise it🤣
On videos youtube it's harder to notice it
But DLSS 4 is actually now even better and looking like DLAA or round abouts at least
So DLSS performance makes even more sense to use if that looks just as good then you get the extra fps as well
5080 will only be 10-15 percent increase over 4080. Will be closer but will not surpass the 4090. People selling their 4090 to get a 5080 are gonna be disappointed.
I got a feeling it’s gonna be the same as the 5090 were the more demanding the game is the higher to performance will be. The most demanding games when tested on the 5090 had closer to 35% performance increase compared to the 4090.
The thing is the 7900xtx is about 1k the 5080 is going to be the same price and have more power and a better upscaler,Rt performance
No. The thing is, the 7900XTX is about $800-900. Also the thing is, the 5080 will be $1200-1800 for AIB cards (most can never get a FE model). And the 5080 and the 7900XTX wil be neck on neck regarding raster performance. With the 5080 having the better upscaler (at least until FSR4), and better RT performance.
@Audiosan79 is the 7900xtx good
@@Audiosan79pretty sure this is a bot, the comment above it says the same thing almost word for word. Also you’re right, there are no msrp 4080s its crazy to suggest that price in any good faith argument.
I just looked at your comments on Daniels video.
"How many AMD users are still watching Daniel Owen 🤔 and why?
That's not cool man..
As a content creator to another, you should know and do better..
you can play games with a 4060Ti easily at 1080p/1440p...I wouldnt worry about it. Also honestly without DLSS 5090 still seems like a mostly 1440p CARD. I expected 144fps/240fps natively at 4K without DLSS. Maybe the 6000 series lol. I kind of expected 8K 60-144fps by now without DLSS. Especially for the price. Thankfully game devs arent making games for people that own a 3090/4090/5090. They have to make games for the 5060 and the AMD equivilent. I found turning ALL the freesync/GSync stuff OFF, my game performance latency experience was much much better. a 4090 i can only imagine a 5090. Its aroun $4'000....i BETTER get 144fps MINIMUM for that typoe of money DLSS OFF lol....otherwise you might aswell spend a fraction of that, play in 1440p and get a 5060ti and just be happy with that or the AMD high end cards. Because $4'000 and you are not getting 144fps minimum to match your monitor hz...what a waste of fcking money.
Well gee fellers with the profit margins in data center and workstation graphics market I am surprised that Nvidia would still even market cards for "gamers". They sure make you pay $$$$ for it and/or shift the gamer to a lesser performance tier of hardware with a software value hook. As for myself 100 to 120 fps is plenty of performance if it runs smooth and don't constantly crash. This is the performance level of my 6800 xt with an 11700 k in stalker 2 when I use FSR native aa with frame generation. It doesn't do me any favors to argue DLSS or DLAA is better as my AMD can't use those techs without a hack job. I do have a crash problem in the Rostok base but that's a game flaw where the memory leak causes the game to lock up necessitating a game restart. Keep up the discussions I enjoy reading the comments.