8:44 "On the planet where this guy comes from."...... he should pay more attention to the movies he watches . This is very poor craftmanship for a critic. Did he even understand the movie has time travel?
You can't rate a movie good or bad just with a review, there are elements that keep the movie interesting so while it's not as good as others the movie is still good, a five star review is more fair
it's funny cause the thumbs down and up is pretty much what Rotten Tomatos works by these days, it tranlates above 2.5 stars as a thumbs up (fresh) and below as a thumbs down (rotten)
I think that for this format, thumbs up or down worked better because people watching really just wanted to know if they should see it or not. In depth criticism like they wrote is better for stars, and Ebert at least used that in his written reviews. (Not sure about Siskel since he died before establishing the kind of web presence Ebert did, and I never lived in Chicago so never read either the Tribune or Sun Times.)
The killing fields is the superior movie in terms of quality but it's not an easy watch. The terminator is well made and a barrel of fun. Definitely the better of the 2 for a casual weekend watch
Movies are an art form and therefor subjective. I love the Terminator, always have. Siskel didn't and Ebert gave it a marginal thumbs up. We all have our opinions. I can't stand Titanic, Avatar, Citizen Kane and Blair Witch Project. Others love them. It's a matter of taste as with any art form. They didn't get it "wrong". It's their opinions.
@@deckofcards87 I respect the technical brilliance and influence of Citizen Kane, but found the story boring and Orson Welles' performance too pompous and over the top.
Wow, the 80s were so different, I miss that show, but im not surprised Siskel didnt like the Terminator (i remember him not liking alot of movies that are popular)
Siskel seems to have a weird reaction to violence in film sometimes. He's praised clockwork orange a few times on the show. Didn't like the violence in taxi driver although he later said he understood the violence in that movie. And now didn't like terminator. And I like gene more than Roger generally but every once in a while he was way off.
Hes totally ok with the escapist violence in Star Wars. But when the action is turned up to 100%, he becomes the biggest p**sy. Look at Siskels review of Aliens
“The Cambodian”?!? JFC, Roger, at least find out the actors’ names before filming! He was Doctor Haing S. Ngor, who did end up winning the Best Supporting Actor Oscar-the only Asian actor to win that award and only the second non-professional actor to win an Oscar (Harold Russell for The Best Years of Our Lives being the other). Ngor’s personal biography was even more tragic than Dith Pran’s.
Siskel thought the action in the Terminator was sub par? Seriously? He also thought there was no chemistry between Anthony Hopkins and Jodie Foster in Silence of the Lambs BTW - he considered Saturday Night Fever one of the best movies ever made
Watching that scene from Terminator I'm reminded of what Schwarzenegger was going to be in an action movie about famous classical composers. Stallone said he'd play Beethoven; van Daam was Schubert. When asked Arnold said "I'll be Bach."
What is hilarious here is that Ebert admitted in his "Terminator Salvation" review he had never even seen the original movie. Apparently he forgot. He did not do a written review, so perhaps that contributed to it slipping from his memory. "The first "Terminator" movie I regret (I suppose) I did not see." www.rogerebert.com/reviews/terminator-salvation-2009
When my friend and i met Michael Biehn i asked him if he'd like to join us at this cool club for drinks....he said "oh yeah what's it called? " I replied "It's this place called Tech Noir down on Pico. " he looked up, smiled and said " oh yeah, i may have heard of that place"
+Cliff Slatterly did you see his review of TERMINATOR 2, check out that siskel and ebert review on here, they both gave it a TWO BIG THUMBS UP, Siskel said he enjoyed much more than the original
Siskel seemed to get swept up in the times much more than Ebert did. Roger saw a great 80's action film in a sea of crappy ones, whereas Gene was perhaps jaded and didn't recognize The Terminator for the gem it really was.
@@MyEnemy I think Siskel just wasnt a great film critic. He couldnt separate his personal sensibilities from objective analysis. He was a lot more insightful discussing social trends and politics. More of a social commentator.
Imagine having The Terminator and The Killing Fields released the same weekend, what an amazing time to be a movie goer. Nowadays it would be a bunch of legacy sequels and comic book movies. Ugh.
The 'terminator' was one of the few sleeper hits of 1984 that spawned many sequels and -made the Austrian muscleman -a big Hollywood star.The action -genre did change with this type -of formulaic premise:The future -of earth is threatened by it's faith -in technology that decides to wipe -out humanity by time-warping bot -h cyborg assassins and saviors.It -remains a sci-fi classic and made -director James Cameron a giant -of big-budget movies.🔚🔚🔚🔚
@@DeanStrickson But the original Terminator was better, and Aliens was better than the original. Although T2 is a very close second, the first had more bite, story wise.
It’s scary that the movie 🎥 gods took Siskel too early because he downed the terminator it was prophetic . Also ebert who was also wrong a lot of the times with his analysis was more right then the other so he was spared . Becareful which movies you judge 💀 btw the red balloon 🎈 was a good one
Mandela effect acting up again with Arnold saying, “I’ll be back.” I remember that line sounding very foreign and now it’s “normal.” Maybe it was all the impressions over the years that tainted my memory.
LOL The Terminator established James Cameron as an A list director. Gene was nuts and Roger was underwhelmed to a degree thar is almost as bad as Genes opinion. I would have lived to see what they would have said if their reviews had been done before the public had declared it to be a hit . Now im goung to look up their reviews of Terminator 2
Siskel didn't do his homework on this film. I get the idea that he watched some movies completely and others he simply saw parts just to make his statement on them. Perhaps he walked in 30 minutes late because he didn't seem to understand the film. Even as a preteen, when I saw this, I got it.
I think you're right. In fact, I dont know if either of these morons actually saw The Terminator. Ebert admitted as much in the Terminator Genisys review
Violent, bloody and sadistic?? It sounds like Ebert is basing his review on another review. He admitted later that he never actually watched the original Terminator. How sad is that? The master himself was trying to make a name for himself and the top critics wont even watch his first movie. Listen to Siskel. There was a lot of action on the planet where Reese comes from?? He acts like theres nothing of value in those low budget post-apocalypse sequences. WTF did Siskel watch?
Ebert saw the original Terminator as he points out specific details during this review. Decades later when he reviewed Terminator: Salvation he brought up never having seen the 1984 film, but I honestly think it was a memory lapse. You have to remember he reviewed thousands of movies during his lifetime. Also his health was in decline at that point. Not to mention his age.
Gene had it on his top ten list that year and both gave it thumbs up. They never reviewed it on the show because at the time of its release, they were off the air from At the Movies and setting up for Siskel and Ebert.
While I personally feel that The Terminator is a thumbs up, T2 was significantly better (again, IMO). When people say that sequels are never better than the original I point to T2 and the Godfather 2...although the latter is about a dead heat.
I wonder if Siskel was awake during the movie. He mentions there was a lot of futuristic stuff on the other planet where these guys were from... I guess Siskel interpreted the future as another planet.
@@martinsorenson1055 Remember that they were seeing A LOT if these types of movies leading up to Terminator, a lot of shitty ones so I think he went in biased and jaded.
It really just depends what you look for more in a movie, story and suspense or action and big set pieces. Terminator had a more solid story, T2 had more action & iconic chase scenes (like the 18 wheeler bike chase scene.) It's kinda funny that Siskel would give T2 the better rating though as it goes against his normal stance that story should trump everything else.
In my opinion the original was the best because it's the only one in the franchise that doesn't have any problems when you really think about the plot. T2 asks you to forget that the time portal thing was only used to send back Arnold and Michael Biehn before being destroyed, and T2 also changes the future in a way to make what happened in the past impossible. You have to ignore that while enjoying T2 (and it's a kickass, great movie) but the first movie was absolutely seamless, and that's all the more remarkable because most time travel Sci Fi presents paradoxes that are never resolved and have to be ignored. Also, T2 drags a bit with the Miles Dyson/Cyberdine Systems subplot, but there's no drag at all in the original. Anyway just my opinion, not trying to get you to change yours.
I saw them both at the theater. The Terminator was a mediocre, lightweight flick, The Killing Fields on the other hand, was a truly powerful film, great acting all around, beautifully filmed and intelligent dialog.
Wrong. The Terminator is a classic action movie. It is so good, they are still making sequels to it today several decades later today and it was number 1at the box office, appreciated by many critics and it is beloved by millions of people all over the world today. Good day sir!
Um... The Terminator launched two amazing careers, Arnold Schwarzenegger and James Cameron. They changed the face of Hollywood again and again. Who remembers The Killing Fields??
Terminator is: "not particularly well made". What the actual fuck? If nothing else, Terminator is an expertly crafted thriller. I swear Siskel did not understand moviemaking at all.
Continually surprised at how often they were wrong (not in their opinions because it's their opinion) but with the details of the movie. The Terminator wasn't half-man and they werent from another planet. Gene Siskel always had a bit off an elitist vibe.
The Killing Fields was a great historical significant movie, but... The god-awful bell-banging soundtrack (you know the part I mean) and, sorry, the so forced of "Imagine" at the end. Call me a cynic, but that just felt too obvious.
I never realized how often Siskel really missed what most Americans considered a good movie. Doesn't mean he has to like it, but no critic should operate in his own exclusive bubble. If he does, he's views aren't relevant.
I always loved Roger at the vending machine.
yeah, you know he pumped a few more ones in after that!
I don’t see why the fat one is ordering notes and then skinny one is loading up with snacks. They should have flipped that.
@@VaughnJogVlog eh, he’s not THAT skinny. But maybe it’s his cheat day
R.I.P. Dr. Haing S. Ngor.
8:44 "On the planet where this guy comes from."...... he should pay more attention to the movies he watches . This is very poor craftmanship for a critic. Did he even understand the movie has time travel?
You can't rate a movie good or bad just with a review, there are elements that keep the movie interesting so while it's not as good as others the movie is still good, a five star review is more fair
it's funny cause the thumbs down and up is pretty much what Rotten Tomatos works by these days, it tranlates above 2.5 stars as a thumbs up (fresh) and below as a thumbs down (rotten)
I think that for this format, thumbs up or down worked better because people watching really just wanted to know if they should see it or not. In depth criticism like they wrote is better for stars, and Ebert at least used that in his written reviews. (Not sure about Siskel since he died before establishing the kind of web presence Ebert did, and I never lived in Chicago so never read either the Tribune or Sun Times.)
Comfort and joy & the killing fields are good but I highly recommended the terminator the most.
Wow, way to be a trendsetter. Your really breaking new ground.
The killing fields is the superior movie in terms of quality but it's not an easy watch. The terminator is well made and a barrel of fun. Definitely the better of the 2 for a casual weekend watch
Movies are an art form and therefor subjective. I love the Terminator, always have. Siskel didn't and Ebert gave it a marginal thumbs up. We all have our opinions.
I can't stand Titanic, Avatar, Citizen Kane and Blair Witch Project. Others love them. It's a matter of taste as with any art form. They didn't get it "wrong". It's their opinions.
Every film you mentioned is overrated except Citizen Kane, which is objectively brilliant.
@@deckofcards87 I respect the technical brilliance and influence of Citizen Kane, but found the story boring and Orson Welles' performance too pompous and over the top.
@@mrnocal what are some movies you feel are great?
@@ResistanceQuest West Side Story, Psycho, Halloween, Schindler's List, Casablanca...there are a lot.
BWP is pretty solid, actually.
The Terminator and Siskel's opinion... Did he ever get anything right, LOL?
He loved both Under Siege films,that's right... Isn't it?
He got Blue Velvet right.
The Killing Fields. He was right about that.
Every great movie review duo needs the one guy who represents all the people with wrong opinions
Wow, the 80s were so different, I miss that show, but im not surprised Siskel didnt like the Terminator (i remember him not liking alot of movies that are popular)
I actually am surprised. I thought it would be right up his alley.
Siskel seems to have a weird reaction to violence in film sometimes. He's praised clockwork orange a few times on the show. Didn't like the violence in taxi driver although he later said he understood the violence in that movie. And now didn't like terminator. And I like gene more than Roger generally but every once in a while he was way off.
Hes totally ok with the escapist violence in Star Wars. But when the action is turned up to 100%, he becomes the biggest p**sy. Look at Siskels review of Aliens
“The Cambodian”?!? JFC, Roger, at least find out the actors’ names before filming! He was Doctor Haing S. Ngor, who did end up winning the Best Supporting Actor Oscar-the only Asian actor to win that award and only the second non-professional actor to win an Oscar (Harold Russell for The Best Years of Our Lives being the other). Ngor’s personal biography was even more tragic than Dith Pran’s.
Siskel thought the action in the Terminator was sub par? Seriously?
He also thought there was no chemistry between Anthony Hopkins and Jodie Foster in Silence of the Lambs
BTW - he considered Saturday Night Fever one of the best movies ever made
Right?? Little did they know they were watching the greatest Hollywood action director at work
Watching that scene from Terminator I'm reminded of what Schwarzenegger was going to be in an action movie about famous classical composers. Stallone said he'd play Beethoven; van Daam was Schubert. When asked Arnold said "I'll be Bach."
Siskel blows it again. The Terminator is a classic.
When it came to allot of films, I don't think Siskel even had a clue.
Every now and then Siskel's opinion surprises me, but yeah he's usually wrong.
And it’s not like it wasn’t popular with critics at the time either.
On another planet? Did that mamaluke even see the flick?
Best action of the 80s, cross between Dirty Harry, The road warrior & Halloween. 👍🌟🌟🌟🌟
"There's never been a good movie that's had a balloon in it" LOL great line there
IT
Up (2009)
chris scorpio good movie but not very scary
Old boy forgot the red balloon 🎈
Wizard of Oz: "Am I a joke to you?"
What is hilarious here is that Ebert admitted in his "Terminator Salvation" review he had never even seen the original movie. Apparently he forgot. He did not do a written review, so perhaps that contributed to it slipping from his memory.
"The first "Terminator" movie I regret (I suppose) I did not see."
www.rogerebert.com/reviews/terminator-salvation-2009
But his T2 review refers to the first movie as if he saw it, which he did because he reviewed it on his show in 1984.
Wow.
" That thing is out there...it cant be reasoned with...it cant be bargained with...and it absolutely WILL NOT STOP...until you are dead."
Sounds like a Trump joke.
Rock tumbler- Are you talking about Hilary Clinton and the DNC?
When my friend and i met Michael Biehn i asked him if he'd like to join us at this cool club for drinks....he said "oh yeah what's it called? "
I replied "It's this place called Tech Noir down on Pico. " he looked up, smiled and said " oh yeah, i may have heard of that place"
How could they ruin that Police station scene?? Talk about spoiler!
One of Siskel's flubs with the Terminator. Great movie.
+Cliff Slatterly did you see his review of TERMINATOR 2, check out that siskel and ebert review on here, they both gave it a TWO BIG THUMBS UP, Siskel said he enjoyed much more than the original
Siskel seemed to get swept up in the times much more than Ebert did. Roger saw a great 80's action film in a sea of crappy ones, whereas Gene was perhaps jaded and didn't recognize The Terminator for the gem it really was.
But he absolutely nailed the review of The Killing Fields. That's a review that's way ahead of its time.
@@MyEnemy I think Siskel just wasnt a great film critic. He couldnt separate his personal sensibilities from objective analysis.
He was a lot more insightful discussing social trends and politics. More of a social commentator.
@@tc98826 well he wasnt as good a Ebert but Gene had great takes too and often his takes cover Eberts blind spots and biases. Pefect team.
I like how Roger mention that the Terminator is like Michael Myers from 'Halloween'
i think of it as a horror monster movie
Siskel had some terrible taste and a horrible eye if he’s saying Terminator wasn’t well-made.
Comfort & Joy, Gregory's Girl, Local Hero, That Sinking Feeling...all good to great movies by the legendary Bill Forsyth. RIP Mr. Forsyth.
Actually, Bill Forsyth is still alive.
@@oldfashionedguy1368 You're correct! I hope that he has another film or two in him.
What about The Terminator?
im one of the few who like terminator one better than 2 better story n i like arnold more as the bad guy
Siskel is (was) way off! So many times lol
Imagine having The Terminator and The Killing Fields released the same weekend, what an amazing time to be a movie goer. Nowadays it would be a bunch of legacy sequels and comic book movies. Ugh.
The 'terminator' was one of the few sleeper hits of 1984 that
spawned many sequels and
-made the Austrian muscleman
-a big Hollywood star.The action
-genre did change with this type
-of formulaic premise:The future
-of earth is threatened by it's faith
-in technology that decides to wipe
-out humanity by time-warping bot
-h cyborg assassins and saviors.It
-remains a sci-fi classic and made
-director James Cameron a giant
-of big-budget movies.🔚🔚🔚🔚
Gene was wrong on The Terminator. The Killing Field is a great movie it won a oscar for best supporting actor.
Yup.
Siskel didn't like Terminator, or Aliens! But Rip, anyway.
Theriokid but he did like Alien and Terminator 2, at least.
@@DeanStrickson But the original Terminator was better, and Aliens was better than the original. Although T2 is a very close second, the first had more bite, story wise.
And they panned silence of the lambs
It’s scary that the movie 🎥 gods took Siskel too early because he downed the terminator it was prophetic . Also ebert who was also wrong a lot of the times with his analysis was more right then the other so he was spared . Becareful which movies you judge 💀 btw the red balloon 🎈 was a good one
I've not gone to the theater in 20 years and barely watch "modern" offal, so by your standards I'm long dead.
Mandela effect acting up again with Arnold saying, “I’ll be back.” I remember that line sounding very foreign and now it’s “normal.” Maybe it was all the impressions over the years that tainted my memory.
LOL The Terminator established James Cameron as an A list director.
Gene was nuts and Roger was underwhelmed to a degree thar is almost as bad as Genes opinion.
I would have lived to see what they would have said if their reviews had been done before the public had declared it to be a hit .
Now im goung to look up their reviews of Terminator 2
Coronabingeing on S&E...went on Amazon & bought the DVD!
No one likes Siskel.
As much as it hurts me to say it, this may in fact be a true statement. There's simply no getting around it. No one likes the guy.
That film Just The Way You Are reminds me of that film where the woman suffers from an ingrown toenail and bunyans.
Siskel didn't do his homework on this film. I get the idea that he watched some movies completely and others he simply saw parts just to make his statement on them. Perhaps he walked in 30 minutes late because he didn't seem to understand the film. Even as a preteen, when I saw this, I got it.
I think you're right. In fact, I dont know if either of these morons actually saw The Terminator. Ebert admitted as much in the Terminator Genisys review
Siskel, whom I respect, couldn't have been more wrong about "The Terminator."
Well, he did really like T2, so there's that. T2 is one of the best sci-fi action movies ever made.
I dont think either of these two morons actually watched the movie. Ebert admitted so in a future review
@@LukeLovesRose Do you remember what review? I'd like to see that.
Terminator, missed it at the theatre but then again, at 11 years old, my parents would never have allowed it...
Theater
Violent, bloody and sadistic?? It sounds like Ebert is basing his review on another review. He admitted later that he never actually watched the original Terminator. How sad is that? The master himself was trying to make a name for himself and the top critics wont even watch his first movie.
Listen to Siskel. There was a lot of action on the planet where Reese comes from?? He acts like theres nothing of value in those low budget post-apocalypse sequences. WTF did Siskel watch?
Ebert saw the original Terminator as he points out specific details during this review. Decades later when he reviewed Terminator: Salvation he brought up never having seen the 1984 film, but I honestly think it was a memory lapse. You have to remember he reviewed thousands of movies during his lifetime. Also his health was in decline at that point. Not to mention his age.
@@NovaFeedback1979 Specific details that can be told to him by other reviewers
Gene is soooo wrong on so many movies. Here he is again, wrong on the Terminator.
what did they think of The Fly
Gene had it on his top ten list that year and both gave it thumbs up. They never reviewed it on the show because at the time of its release, they were off the air from At the Movies and setting up for Siskel and Ebert.
that's a shame
I often think my favorite film is Terminator: A+ (i showed this to my late friend, 30 yrs my senior; he said "nothing special" 😆)
Siskel stays stacking L's. Should've known.... I guy who brings a briefcase to movie theater.
Wizard of Oz has a balloon.
He said that was the exception.
He didn't specifically mention 'Wizard of Oz' - what exactly does he say?
@@andyt2456 Around the World in 80 Days.
"Hey, Siskel You gott a dead cat in there or what?"
While I personally feel that The Terminator is a thumbs up, T2 was significantly better (again, IMO). When people say that sequels are never better than the original I point to T2 and the Godfather 2...although the latter is about a dead heat.
I wonder if Siskel was awake during the movie. He mentions there was a lot of futuristic stuff on the other planet where these guys were from... I guess Siskel interpreted the future as another planet.
@@martinsorenson1055 Remember that they were seeing A LOT if these types of movies leading up to Terminator, a lot of shitty ones so I think he went in biased and jaded.
It really just depends what you look for more in a movie, story and suspense or action and big set pieces. Terminator had a more solid story, T2 had more action & iconic chase scenes (like the 18 wheeler bike chase scene.) It's kinda funny that Siskel would give T2 the better rating though as it goes against his normal stance that story should trump everything else.
the second godfather being better? you are out of your damn mind!
In my opinion the original was the best because it's the only one in the franchise that doesn't have any problems when you really think about the plot. T2 asks you to forget that the time portal thing was only used to send back Arnold and Michael Biehn before being destroyed, and T2 also changes the future in a way to make what happened in the past impossible. You have to ignore that while enjoying T2 (and it's a kickass, great movie) but the first movie was absolutely seamless, and that's all the more remarkable because most time travel Sci Fi presents paradoxes that are never resolved and have to be ignored. Also, T2 drags a bit with the Miles Dyson/Cyberdine Systems subplot, but there's no drag at all in the original. Anyway just my opinion, not trying to get you to change yours.
Yea terminator is on this episode but the killing fields is by far the best movie on this one
Terminator. Well, they didn't always get the criticism right.
Comfort and Joy as well as the Killing Fields are brilliant. I agree with Roger on the Terminator except I would still give it a thumbs up.
Roger did give it thumbs up…
I saw them both at the theater. The Terminator was a mediocre, lightweight flick, The Killing Fields on the other hand, was a truly powerful film, great acting all around, beautifully filmed and intelligent dialog.
Wrong. The Terminator is a classic action movie. It is so good, they are still making sequels to it today several decades later today and it was number 1at the box office, appreciated by many critics and it is beloved by millions of people all over the world today. Good day sir!
Terminator is a classic sci-fi action thriller, how dare you!!!
You really can't compare the two movies.
Um... The Terminator launched two amazing careers, Arnold Schwarzenegger and James Cameron. They changed the face of Hollywood again and again. Who remembers The Killing Fields??
Terminator is: "not particularly well made". What the actual fuck? If nothing else, Terminator is an expertly crafted thriller.
I swear Siskel did not understand moviemaking at all.
8:44 Siskel screwed up. It sounds like he barely understood what was happening in the movie.
I cant believe it took these two so long to appreciate the greatness of James Cameron. Ebert did toward the end
I love how the jolly opening is immediately followed by The Terminator.
Continually surprised at how often they were wrong (not in their opinions because it's their opinion) but with the details of the movie. The Terminator wasn't half-man and they werent from another planet. Gene Siskel always had a bit off an elitist vibe.
"... short, yellow people..." lol
The Killing Fields was a great historical significant movie, but...
The god-awful bell-banging soundtrack (you know the part I mean) and, sorry, the so forced of "Imagine" at the end. Call me a cynic, but that just felt too obvious.
They should have omitted that song at the end of that movie.
hmm siskel does not know what is good beside taste
I never realized how often Siskel really missed what most Americans considered a good movie. Doesn't mean he has to like it, but no critic should operate in his own exclusive bubble. If he does, he's views aren't relevant.
Opening too cutesy. I'm glad that was changed.
The terminator was a bit cheesy with it's stop motion, but was very watchable. The second one had a way bigger budget & zero cheesiness.