AWESOME Sean, extremely useful comparison, thanks so much!!! I recently found the Deviate Nitro 2 for only €80 so it looks like it's WELL worth picking it up for that!!!
Very fair review, appreciated in making such good video to share with us ! I have Puma DV Nitro 2 and Mach 4 and I have rather narrow foot. So I like both of them. I would prefer to use Mach 4 for track run (due to direct and lower to the ground) and DV2 for road run (due to excellent puma-grip). 😊
Thanks for the comparison. My quest for the perfect daily trainer ended with DN2 and I think with the Puma Rebel V3 and Novablast I have covered all my daily trainer needs for three seasons.
Since you have a wider forefoot if you want a lighter, more speedy shoe, I’d go for the Rebel V3. If you’ll be using the shoe for easier efforts/longer runs and occasional faster miles, then I’d go with the Speed 3. The Mach 5 does also come in wide sizing. So if you want to go that way, I’d order a wide. Wide in Hoka is probably normal volume in some other brands.
That would depend on the race distance and what type of shoes you like. Keeping it with Puma, the Liberate Nitro 2 is a lighter fast option for a 5 or 10k. I haven’t tried that one myself. But know that it is a good shoe. I really love the Adidas Takumi Sen 8 for short stuff. It’s very light and has Plastic rods in there instead of carbon. It has less stack and is on the narrow side. But it’s great to run fast in. For a half or full marathon I’d want some more stack. Most of the best race shoes for that distance do have a carbon plate. My top two right now are the Adidas Adios Pro 3 and Saucony Endorphin Elite. Those are both carbon shoes though. I do like both the Rebel V3 and Hoka Mach 5 as non-plated fast shoes as well and they are both lighter than the DN2.
Great comparison Sean, thanks! Puma is definitely underrated, in general I think... Would be interested to see how the FuelCell Propel v4 compares to the DN2 and Speed3? Feels like a good comparison as it is also plated, right? Cheers!
Agreed. I have yet to try a bad running shoe by Puma. The Velocity Nitro 2 is a solid daily trainer, the Deviate Nitro 2 is an excellent trainer/tempo shoe and the Deviate Elite is a great light weight racer. I’ll probably get the Deviate Elite 2 later this year and possibly the Foreverun Nitro. I’ll look into the Propel v4. Thanks for watching.
Couldn’t agree more about the speed 3. Those are some fast paces . Some of these companies need to start sending me some shoes ! I can’t afford everything I want to try
I’m with you. It’s hard to justify to the wife buying another pair when my closet looks like Cher from Clueless. But with running shoes…..not fashionable shoes. Who needs those?
Based on my honest opinion my ES2 was good for long run and easy pace but my DN2 has alot of pop compare to ES2 the downside is it’s heavy but stable and so tight on the upper but overall much better tempo training shoes.
Agreed. I find the DN2 more propulsive, durable, and tight fitting. But it is also a little bit heavier. I prefer running fast in the DN2 though. The tighter upper actually fits me well. It’s a great shoe.
Puma is definitely underrated. They are not available in most running stores. I’ve run a few races wearing Puma shoes and I’ve been the only one wearing that brand. Nike, Saucony and Brooks still seem to be most popular with the general public. I think Saucony really changed up the Speed from the 1 and 2 to the 3. The first two are much better speed shoes. I have the Deviate Elite 1. That is a nice light weight racer. But I want it to have a little more rebound and pop from the plate. It’s still a good shoe, but the Vaporfly 2 and Adios Pro 3 feel much more propulsive to me. I’m hoping that the Deviate Elite 2 has a little bit more pop than the first version. I’ll probably pick up a pair of those later this year. If only I didn’t have to pay for all these shoes. Haha.
I have both puma elites, I find the elite 1 to be awesome, pedal to metal acceleration.. The puma elite 2 doesn’t work for me, and definitely has less pop… Great reviews, watched a few videos.. 👍🙏🏻
I’m aware of the bare foot running movement. But I do most of my running on the pavement, with rocks, branches and other things that could cut up my feet. Not to mention my 230 pounds landing on zero cushion. If I were to go that route, I’d probably try a zero drop shoe like an Altra. They also make even more minimalist shoes than that where you still get some protection from the ground. The ones where all of your toes are separated. Also switching to a low drop or no drop shoe can cause the load in your calves and achilles to really increase and could result in an injury. I know that is something that you can adapt to over time. I’ve seen studies that over 90% of runners heel strike in a marathon and around 75% of elite runners. It’s difficult to keep that forward lean going when the body fatigues. The most important thing for me at this point in my running is to try to stay injury free. So on the road I’m going to stick with some shoes. Running on the beach barefoot is definitely something that I could do. But if I’m staying injury free and still getting better as a runner, I’m ok with having a heel strike.
I like how thorough this was. Thanks!
Thanks. Glad it was helpful!
The best video that answers my questions
Thank you
Awesome! Glad I could help.
AWESOME Sean, extremely useful comparison, thanks so much!!! I recently found the Deviate Nitro 2 for only €80 so it looks like it's WELL worth picking it up for that!!!
That’s a great price on that shoe. It’s one of my favorites. Let me know how you like it once you run in them.
Very fair review, appreciated in making such good video to share with us !
I have Puma DV Nitro 2 and Mach 4 and I have rather narrow foot. So I like both of them. I would prefer to use Mach 4 for track run (due to direct and lower to the ground) and DV2 for road run (due to excellent puma-grip). 😊
I agree with the Mach for the track and Puma for the road. The softer cushioning in the Puma gives you more back on the road.
Thanks for the comparison. My quest for the perfect daily trainer ended with DN2 and I think with the Puma Rebel V3 and Novablast I have covered all my daily trainer needs for three seasons.
Those are three of the best that I have tried as well. DN2 is my number one of that group, but they are all excellent.
I’ve been eyeing this exact shoe line-up for my next, i kinda have a wide forefoot, guess it will come down to $.
Thanks for the video
Since you have a wider forefoot if you want a lighter, more speedy shoe, I’d go for the Rebel V3. If you’ll be using the shoe for easier efforts/longer runs and occasional faster miles, then I’d go with the Speed 3. The Mach 5 does also come
in wide sizing. So if you want to go that way, I’d order a wide. Wide in Hoka is probably normal volume in some other brands.
@@runwithsean thanks for the great tip
Thanks Sean, really interesting! For a Deviate Nitro 2 fan, what would recommend for racing which lighter but similar? Non-carbon plate.
That would depend on the race distance and what type of shoes you like. Keeping it with Puma, the Liberate Nitro 2 is a lighter fast option for a 5 or 10k. I haven’t tried that one myself. But know that it is a good shoe. I really love the Adidas Takumi Sen 8 for short stuff. It’s very light and has Plastic rods in there instead of carbon. It has less stack and is on the narrow side. But it’s great to run fast in.
For a half or full marathon I’d want some more stack. Most of the best race shoes for that distance do have a carbon plate. My top two right now are the Adidas Adios Pro 3 and Saucony Endorphin Elite. Those are both carbon shoes though.
I do like both the Rebel V3 and Hoka Mach 5 as non-plated fast shoes as well and they are both lighter than the DN2.
@@runwithsean Thanks so much! 👌
Great comparison Sean, thanks! Puma is definitely underrated, in general I think... Would be interested to see how the FuelCell Propel v4 compares to the DN2 and Speed3? Feels like a good comparison as it is also plated, right? Cheers!
Agreed. I have yet to try a bad running shoe by Puma. The Velocity Nitro 2 is a solid daily trainer, the Deviate Nitro 2 is an excellent trainer/tempo shoe and the Deviate Elite is a great light weight racer. I’ll probably get the Deviate Elite 2 later this year and possibly the Foreverun Nitro. I’ll look into the Propel v4. Thanks for watching.
Couldn’t agree more about the speed 3. Those are some fast paces . Some of these companies need to start sending me some shoes ! I can’t afford everything I want to try
I’m with you. It’s hard to justify to the wife buying another pair when my closet looks like Cher from Clueless. But with running shoes…..not fashionable shoes. Who needs those?
@@runwithseanthe lightness of running shoes these days makes it almost unbearable to wear non running shoes
Sto testando le puma nitro 2...è penso di usarle per una mezza maratona..
I think that shoe would work great for a half marathon. It is stable, fast, cushioned and has great grip as well.
I have the Puma as a do everything shoe. Mostly, I do easy miles but it picks up well if I want to speed up the last mile.
Definitely. The DN2 is a Swiss Army knife of a shoe. One of my favorites.
Based on my honest opinion my ES2 was good for long run and easy pace but my DN2 has alot of pop compare to ES2 the downside is it’s heavy but stable and so tight on the upper but overall much better tempo training shoes.
Agreed. I find the DN2 more propulsive, durable, and tight fitting. But it is also a little bit heavier. I prefer running fast in the DN2 though. The tighter upper actually fits me well. It’s a great shoe.
i like the speed 2 over the speed 3 for going quick. Also, enjoy the deviate elite 2 more than the speed 3. The puma is underrated IMO.
Puma is definitely underrated. They are not available in most running stores. I’ve run a few races wearing Puma shoes and I’ve been the only one wearing that brand. Nike, Saucony and Brooks still seem to be most popular with the general public. I think Saucony really changed up the Speed from the 1 and 2 to the 3. The first two are much better speed shoes. I have the Deviate Elite 1. That is a nice light weight racer. But I want it to have a little more rebound and pop from the plate. It’s still a good shoe, but the Vaporfly 2 and Adios Pro 3 feel much more propulsive to me. I’m hoping that the Deviate Elite 2 has a little bit more pop than the first version. I’ll probably pick up a pair of those later this year. If only I didn’t have to pay for all these shoes. Haha.
I have both puma elites, I find the elite 1 to be awesome, pedal to metal acceleration.. The puma elite 2 doesn’t work for me, and definitely has less pop… Great reviews, watched a few videos.. 👍🙏🏻
FWIW Deviate Nitro 2 is around 20s per mile slower than my Deviate Nitro Elite and Asics Metaspeed Edge+.
You should try no shoes at all for a short distance, it will help improve your form.
And yes: hill strike will disappear immediately.
I’m aware of the bare foot running movement. But I do most of my running on the pavement, with rocks, branches and other things that could cut up my feet. Not to mention my 230 pounds landing on zero cushion.
If I were to go that route, I’d probably try a zero drop shoe like an Altra. They also make even more minimalist shoes than that where you still get some protection from the ground. The ones where all of your toes are separated.
Also switching to a low drop or no drop shoe can cause the load in your calves and achilles to really increase and could result in an injury. I know that is something that you can adapt to over time.
I’ve seen studies that over 90% of runners heel strike in a marathon and around 75% of elite runners. It’s difficult to keep that forward lean going when the body fatigues.
The most important thing for me at this point in my running is to try to stay injury free. So on the road I’m going to stick with some shoes. Running on the beach barefoot is definitely something that I could do. But if I’m staying injury free and still getting better as a runner, I’m ok with having a heel strike.
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These video explains everything, even your fear of trying barefoot running.