IWD reacts to IBAI and YAMATO DRAMA
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Wow the comments here are so braindead. Yamato has lead his team to the top 3 consistently in a very competitive league. He keeps getting hired by top tier teams year after year. Keep in mind he is a coach, not a player who can make in game decisions. His role is to facilitate an environment of growth and mold the team into the way he sees the best way to win with the players he has, the current meta, and a whole slew of other factors. I would like to see anyone commenting negatively to take on a coach role in any sport on any level. You will quickly realize how insanely difficult it is, especially if you are losing over and over
how is the LEC competitive when there are genuinely only 2 consistent contenders in it? aka fanatic and g2
@@godCobainAnd he coached non G2 fnc teams and had great results so you're just helping his point
@@ClickHere4Naruto Great results? Like not winning once? Because thats the things that matters in the end.
@@janein4498Statements like this are so shit. In no other region does winning domestically put you in an upper echelon of coaching.
Per your argument, LocoDoco on TSM is a better coach than Yamato because he won the region
@@janein4498 It really isn't, at least not the way you're stating it. You've seen numerous players cry over making/not making worlds.
That's a big achievement in itself. In the whole of europe (And some imports too) only 50 players make it in the LEC and then only 15 (sometimes 20) make it to worlds.
He also usually hasn't coached star studded rosters.
I forgot KOI were in LEC tbh
Looking forward to the next "collab" from Ibai once this MAD KOI "project" is "over"
To be fair... Being a RGE fan is probably the most miserable experience you can have.
Their players got 0 personality
Their play style is the snoozefest of each day
They suck so they don't win much
The ORG itself is boring as hell with 0 connection to fans.
I bet Ibai tried so many times to bring up the hype for Rogue-Koi, but RGE either limited his efforts and creativity and diminished him.
I mean. Ibai isn't even lying. What he said is pure fact. He was,is and still is popping off in viewership.
Yamato the "I make that Speech once"
Wtf is this? Like, Yamato throws shit at Ibai for no reason, Ibai does the same shit, then Ibai is the bad one?
Like, I understand he went much deeper than it needed to be, but Yamato had 0 right in disrespecting Ibai's work
what shade did he bring? he asked a simple question.
@@sawtoothgrind1981 Don't act like the question doesn't have a second meaning, it wasn't a simple question, we're not kids
@@sawtoothgrind1981 are you learning what retorics are now or what?
@Michelle-cr3fe no, I genuinely don't follow this stuff much so I don't know what the context here is. Maybe don't be so rude also.
@@sawtoothgrind1981 my bad then, thought you were playing dumb, but basically Caedrel twetted about Kcorp and Koi bringing a great ambiance to esports, and then Yamato makes fun of Koi because last year they were already in Lec and they didn't have much of a fanbase
He's basically just being disrespectful of the project for no reason
can someone explain why the hell did ibai jump the un at yamato so fast? was there some previous beef or something or he just got butthurt out of nowere?
Cause he was being a dick for no reason?
spaniards think they're the best at league of legends in Europe, despite only having 2-3 actual succesful players (Mithy, Xpeke and Elyoya, if you consider Elyoya a world class player). They have an insane fanbase, no joke, but only 3 players in 14 years of League is pretty mediocre.
@@perfectosdesconocidos8011 that has nothing to do though?
@@omega7057 Am I wrong?
Yamato wrote that his team will beat Mad Koi easy or something similar
well this is a weird banter with probably the least two personalities that i could have ever imagine LMAO
I think Yamato acted like a dick with that 1st comment. I don't really like Ibai, but what he says is truth, his brand brought so much more attention to LEC and saying that Yamato is one of the most successful coaches in LEC history is a bit disingenuous. Mac, Dylan Falco, GrabbZ are coaches who have achieved much more than Yamato ever did.
Saying that Yamato is at the same level than Mac,Dylan,Falcon,GrabbZ or Pete Dunn is so terrible.
I don't understand why would people say that. Every single one of those guys are winners who achieve successful at Worlds and Regional. Meanwhile the other one... Is just a Speech man... That's the biggest highlight of his career... He did a speech
@@RomnysGonzalez Except he is. In his 8 years of coaching he's made Worlds 4 times, made it to top 4 in LEC playoffs 6 times, was in contention to win the league with 3 different teams and none off the rosters he had had "players at peak performance"
So yes, he is the conversation
pleb fan opinion
well you don't even have any opinion so sit the fuck down@@dwasdasdasdads
Youre all hypocrites.
You and yamato can provoke all you want with your tweets implying the team is shit without known It and also insulting ibai's org.
But when It backfire and people defend themselves its crytime
Pathetic behavior
Is just Americans. They beg for banter, passion and trash talk. Start crying, acting hurt and as victims once they get jabbed back.
ibai seems like an egomaniac, gross
Legit ngl I don’t care bout both, but when it come to statsic and fax, ibai is legit showing why he top tier with fact behind him to prove it, while dom is also glazing Yamato by saying he one of the greatest coach, which again isn’t true
@@wwekings9505only thing ibai is showing is immaturity
@@Nielsper it also show Yamato a snowbunny, you know he was the one who started the whole thing right? His sarcastic tweet legit started this beef, if he start it, he should be able to take it
@@wwekings9505 that's a fair point, I guess I was a bit too focused on Ibais bragging and didn't really think all that rationally
@@Nielsper ye I know what u mean, both of them are out of pocket and all of that, so people can have a opinion on which side they on, but there is 1 fact, yamato started it with a tweet, I forgot what it was it it was like a sarcastic tweet or like one of those backhand compliments statement
that's why i love Dom he is a real one
Yea "real". Totally not only doing things because it is his pals that is getting flamed.
yeah defending the homies is part of the being a real one tho..@@flashorb2707
Like don't get me wrong Yamato is good coach but saying most succesful on what metric other then not even winning once, yes we can make the point g2 and fanatic win everything yet yamato was on fanatic and he never won and yet mad lions and rogue won with succesful coaches that had the same metric of making worlds many times.
bro you saw in winter 2023 how that fnatic roster was doing when he left
plus mac and freddy from mad and rogue didn't compete with 2018-2020 fnc and g2: those were legit three best rosters in the history of lec (19-20 G2, 18 FNC, 19-20 FNC in that order) yamato was going up against
mac was going against g2 rekkles and fnc adam with upset and freddy won against choking g2 with flakked/targamas botlane
context matters
dont try to understand yamato. he also thinks jews are performing a genocide in israel and murdering arabs in the streets. go figure whats up with this guy.
Nah, this is just wrong. The reason the 2023 fnc winter was so shit was because of Rhuckz and Rekkless bot. Even if Yamato still coached FNC, they would end up the same place. Nightshare on the other hand actually made a bottom tier team went to second place and almost making quarters worlds. Yamato is good at giving speeches about being on a mountain etc. tho. @@crispybanana3198
Ok. He has coached for 8 years. What has he done in those 8 years? Made worlds 4 times, ended up as top 4 after LEC playoffs 6 times, were in contention to win the split twice, in 3 DIFFERENT teams, none with the best players of their time except for upset in FNC. If you make worlds 4 times on 3 different teams with mostly middling players, then yeah, you should be in the conversation as one of the most successful coaches in LEC.
@@greatmental remember when he got vitality to worlds? Put some respect on his name. Look g2.... are they improving? Nope. Same old G2.
To be fair, yamato got in fnatic and should have won at least a split in eu west.
the fact that nobody outside of the spanish community cares about ibai, says everything
What I like about dom is that he manages to be different from the others and can make contrarian opinions that are good (I also like his hatred of T1 because the fanbase is too toxic and there's a general bias towards T1 in the ecosystem ). But sometimes he's way too biased, Yamato wanted to flame Ibai and ibai take it personally and flame him there's nothing wrong with that.
this "drama" is just about Ibai shitting himself
Barry Sanders never won a ring and he is considered one of the GOATs at running back. Same with LT.
Dom talking about faker and awards no one cares about: "You can't just look at results and achievements you have to look deeper than that"
Dom talking about yamato and nisqy: "there's a reason they're always getting decent results"
dom literally some days ago said faker even without his trophies would be the goat just by his level of play through out his career. If you know nothing its better not to speak sometimes
@@dren521 Wow, good to know he's a functional human being
"Uhm, actually, dom the other day did 2+2 on his head, If you know nothing its better not to speak sometimes" like, cool and? How is that related to him constantly judging his friends based on results, especially a coach where we see nothing of the process?
Does he have some insider info to tell he's a great coach? Potentially, but that's the kind of thing he would say the first chance he has, which lets me to believe he doesnt have it; he's the one who constantly speaks without knowing jackshit
LCS lacks such drama and that's why it's so boring. Let them cook, let them insult each other, that gets league viewership and makes these games a little bit more meaningful.
My god, i didn't you were such a snowflake Dom lol
So defensive for something like this
This guy is biased af lol like if yamato didn't disrespect first LMAOOOOO
naaah this kind of sh*t is always the same, and you as a content creator are one of the best vicitimizing/poiting at it... why does ibai kinda has to handle or absorb the sh*t thrown at him, but he cant reply back?? maybe what you are saying about yamato's achievemets is correct, but why cant ebay shoot back?
its kinda the same with carlos and/or the regi back then.
When it was about regi's and vulcan drama, with vulcan initially throwing sh*t at regi's, but then when regi's threw back, every one lost their minds about it. The fact you are a company/organization/team owner makes you that you CANT say nothing when ppl say sh*t about you?
this is very soft drama..
Man I love Dom but he gets so fucking tilted when his friends get flamed just like he flames others (and then gets offended that they react poorly to his banter). Flame him back and cut the softness, make Western leagues hype again please...
But it is like that literally everywhere lol
Who are the good NBA coaches that never won anything? (Winning regional tournaments would be like winning in college so we dont count them as success in this level)
You will name the ones people never care about, those seen with disdane because they are only good for regular season and fall off in playoffs... You wont name a good coach in the NBA who doesnt have a championship. Yamato is a good coach because he always made worlds and his teams were fun to watch, had identity... But i fail to see why that's relevant.
The point is: "Their fans are crazy" - "They were here last year" - "And the fans were consistently top 1 viewership on twitch".
If they are Ibai's fans or Koi's doesnt matter, they are both rooting for the same team, that's how sports work, or are we saying everyone with the Lakers loves the Lakers and none is by proxy because of Lebron? Was that team Koi or were they Rogue? I'm Spanish and my teams were MAD and FNATIC, now im also rooting for KOI, it is a matter of team identity.
Is like saying the Nets,Atlanta,Pelicans and othwr bottom feeder in the NBA are good teams for making the Playoffs.
Ibai is right. There's no "Good/Great coach" who haven't won and the ones who haven't are too young yet. Meanwhile Yamato is like what? 10 years on the league?. 4 Worlds appearances. Did he ever got out of groups?.
People holds "That speech" too highly. Is the only thing people remember of him
I can only talk about football, but here we have for example a football Club in a very small town (Freiburg) which sticks to the Same Coach season for season and got from the second division the first one, played internationally last year and always develops New players, a lot of them even from the Region. Streich (the coach) even delegated very unlucky one time with the Team, stayed and immidiately got Up again. He has never won anything I think, but this is because Munich/Dortmund/Frankfurt (much bigger cities/Clubs) always win, but I suppose if you ask any football Fan here in Germany, probably 70% would consider Streich as one of the Best german coaches at the moment
Dom. Tell me a good coach in the NBA who haven't won and has been on the league for at least 8 years.
Vogel,Kerr,Malone, Mike Brown,Spo,Pop,Kerr,Carlie,Nurse,Lue,Thibodue,MikeB Those are almost the best coaches of the league.
What they all have in common?. THEY ALL WON. Amd they all have a career as long or even longer than Yamato
So i'm extremely curious who are those "good coaches" you are talking about in the NBA that fit the comparative.
🤔
Rick Adelman and George Karl
Marty Schottenheimer, John Fox, Dennis Green...
A google search isn't hard
guess what those coaches you mentioned had a once in a generation type of players that played for them imagine saying Humanoid is like the Stephen Curry of League... Bruh
more banter in lec
yamotocannon
Anyone who has at least 1 ounce of context knows that last year's KOI was just Rogue with a facade, Ibai had little to no saying in their decisions and thats why they disbanded. He has also said that he knows that international talks shit about him in private, undermine him and poke fun at him every chance they get and it is known he will reply to people publicly trying to make fun of him, so why is it ok if only they talk shit about him. But story repeats itself, "oh lets make fun of the spanish community, wait Ibai replied and now Im getting bombed by all his fans? Oh no what did I do to deserve this, Ibai bad"
It seems you don't have an ounce of memory regarding the ownership and influence in Rogue's decisions last year. In fact, KOI, under Ibai's leadership, acquired a 60% stake in Rogue, granting them majority stake in the team thus having the most influence over the team. I think this imply that the decisions, to retain the original core of players, was strategic, considering their previous successes, rather than a lack of involvement from Ibai and KOI in the decision of the League team.
@davisdimants Im going off what he has said many times, he had almost no sayin in LEC decisions and allegedly had to pay players and content creators of his own pocket because Infinite Reality was late with their payments
Listen guys from what i ve seen these last 3 days, i feel like that either the managment of the lec or the managment of some teams trying activily to incorporate the football mentality/culture into the league. Most of the sports in Europe gott ultras more than 50 years now, They re all so passionate about it. For some its their "life" for is literally their life they make their living out of this with various ways not always legal. The re is a good a mount of hatred based on a lot of various areas like different cities, different countries, different religions, different political views/different economical incomes to name a few. I know its difficult for non europeans to understand this but its how it is. I m hearing dom take and although i know he is not familiar with this shit i cant help thinkin that hes so entitled to his opinion in whatever topic. As a public figure a guy who can influence other people who should be always 100% sure what are u talking about gotta be more responsible.So yeah ibai jus casually trashtalking so yeah nothing to see here guys.
it is scripted for sure. they're spicing up the league
Did i just heard Yamato is the best coach in LEC History 😂
Ibai sometimes is a little bit delulu, but he ain’t wrong, yamato is a shit coach. Bad game knowledge but great skills of group management and direction, but no one cares cause “oh he is so charismatic” “oh yamato the friend of everyone at the international scene”. And dom saying he is one of the most successful coaches in the league just proves my point
Okay, list the coaches that are more successful in the LEC then
Why are you crying?
Trofeo por participar.
Who is YaMOTOcanon?
Doesn’t matter how many views he has Yamato has done more for LEC
What did YC do for the LEC apart from losing finals (having several of the most expensive rosters in the league) and stealing from teams?
Ofc Dom will hold that opinion dude never made worlds. Yamato coached fnatic to how many titles?
Baseg
Yamato Cannot win xd
I mean Yamato was a really bad coach for ages. He improved a lot tho but yeah he had 2 much ego despite being mediocre at best.
PS: I judge how good or bad he was based on what he said publicly, how his teams played and evolved in the strategic side, drafts, etc. maybe he was actually good but the good stuff about him was hidden because how humans work or whatever but yeah he was never that great of a coach in the past and also the whole argument about "it's not his bad if he never won cuz he always had bad teams etc." is a really shitty argument when you have been in the scene since the beginning and your average results after sooo many teams and splits and tournaments is low tier. That legit sounds like when someone says he is silver because he has bad teams and not because he isnt good enough. If you are the chief of many teams and every single time you manage to not even be top 5, maybe you are not the most unlucky person in earth but rather part of the problem. Nobody says that he had to win a single time to be a good coach, but there is a difference between being good despite never getting the gold, and being on the upper half of the leaderboard 15% of the times. I wouldn't hire a coach whose chances of being lower half of the league are 85% even if he was Jesus reincarnated and he was just unlucky, basically because when the sample size is large enough, it's not luck but statistics. Maybe he is indeed the best coach in europe right now, but his competitive history disagrees and until he proves people wrong (or the people whoa re supposed to hire him) he is not the kind of person you wanna hire, if possible. I mean if he starts to have a win streak and whatever + him demonstrating me that he isnt that bad anymore, then I would perhaps rate him better, but by now the only fact is that there is a lot of info about him saying retarded and wrong stuff year after year and also him not being able to hit top half year after year. Facts. And about making worlds every year; he made words 4 times in 8 years, and 2 of those years were with FNC which makes worlds every year (unlike him) so according to your own logic about "you cant criticise people for not winning because only G2 and FNC win and team winning or not is not a proof of good or bad coach because coach doesnt have that much agency etc." we could say that FNC carried him to worlds 2 of those times and they also won despite having him as a coach and his 15% success rate is actually lower.
And no, I'm not saying this because I'm spanish, cuz the truth is that I dont like Ibai (even if he is probably the best or top 3 best streamers), I don't like Koi, etc. and if you check my twitter you could see how much I shitted on Yamato for ages (even if as I say I think he actually improved a lot, specially in the latest years), until he improved IMO and since then I kinda like him, so we could say I like more Yamato than Ibai even if the gap is insignificant and tbh idc about either of them really.
I understand that you wanna defend your friend, and tbh Ibai's attack was quite random since Yamato did a small joke-attack and Ibai went full on artillery+personal, but they way of defending him is a bit xd. Ibai went too far but Yamato is still not that great of a coach according to all availiable data.
Anyway, I hope the best to Yamato, hope he proves me wrong year after year and hopefully is the coach of the second team to bring home the worlds, but by now I will stick to my opinion based on facts which is that he is mediocre at best.
Yamato isn’t consider a goat coach at all, let say ibai is flaming someone like kkoma(who arguable is the best lol coach with both t1 and dwg) then it would be a good argument and can see both Sid making a point, but yamato doesn’t have the resume like kkoma to be egoing like this
Any idiot can manipulate stats in a way to push a particular POV. Context is everything, you're lacking all of it. It's extremely stupid judging solely on results. These orgs keep hiring him because they know things you don't, and they know he is good. Take the L mate.
First?
What can u say now about it IWD?