@@BestMomentsHD I wasn't expecting Yamato to get kicked out but me and you don't know shit about the internal dynamic of the team so don't act like an expert analyst lol
@@bibabain92 You don't need to be an expert analyst to see that they are following astralis' footsteps. Yamato been kicked probably cuz they have to kick someone but they could demote any of the not capable players instead, it wouldn't hurt, it probably would do a better job but it's MYREGION so no surprise here
He might still be the 2nd coach but i hope not kc doesnt deserve yamato. Even if yamato doesnt have a good history as a coach on paper but he did his fucking best taking all the blame for weeks
@@xxivkraegen2124You should be able to give any pro team most of the drafts he came up with and they would win even without coaching. They had some Thanos level drafts and still lost hard it’s just over for this team
Fell terribly for Yamato. Guy can't seem to catch a damn break. A coach can't make your support not be a mute FFS. Anyone can watch those voice comm videos and understand that. Those comms sounded like a middle school cafeteria. Also Dom is completely right about ERL players not being on that level. These french fans are something else boy I tell you.
I feel bad for Yamato but at this point he need someone else to help him pick his next project because he might be a good coach, the team he picks just aren't helping him.
@@nunysnipsWell the guy did pretty well in Vitality and was liked in Korea tho he had to leave because at the time his GF coudnt live there. Its really just FNC and KC that dont give him time.
French fans believe because it has been proved again and again that kc can scout randoms in division 3 and they end up performing in LEC. They have an eye for talent thats for sure.
@@Torannn Not changing anything would make more sense than changing the head coach, thats the puzzling part. If theyre on a budget and cannot afford to sign mid season, surely you give yamato time and security, no? its like somebody had to be the scapegoat and since they cant fire any player for budget reasons, i guess yamato had to.
@@mahatmaniggandhi2898 that mean they have to pay him as well, like the most contract stated. Imagine paying both the sub and the main, which is a terrible financially decision. Considered esport org doesn’t make much money(like literally they’re losing money) outside of sponsorship.
Yamato probably told them there's nothing more he can do to make these players communicate or mechanically play better and bozo management said, ah then you must be the problem
The funniest part is that the team was starting to look better already. They beat BDS, didn't they? They were looking better. Cabochard improved a lot during the split. The only thing they needed to do was replace Targamas with Trymbi, and this team would cook in the next split. Firing Yamato makes no sense.
@@Rami-rin Huh? The entire team was being flamed the whole split, they were about to go 0-9, and now you tell me they had no pressure? Just because they were out of playoffs doesn't mean the players suddenly gave up on the season. Cabochard and Saken were clearly playing to keep their jobs. Even Targamas looked to be trying harder. We saw the voice comms we saw how hard Bo and Upset were already trying to drag this team to a win. Saying that you can't judge them based on the last few games makes zero sense in my opinion.
I mean, tbf SK game was a complete wintrade and u can argue BDS couldn’t care less about a game vs the worst team in the league when they almost ended up 1st. On paper, they were still suck ass, but they were out of pressure and against teams that didn’t care about losing irrelevant games
Yamato was probably the only thing keeping Bo sane with his drafts and reassurance he had Bo’d back, now he has vitality Flashbacks where if he doesn’t 2v8, he’s getting kicked and flamed for playing the game correctly.
Xddddd he's the reason all he touched lost dude, a diamond can't coach challenger that's all, even if targamas int and don't care at all It's his responsability the only thing he's doing as a coach is telling the player to envision the fight and play the neutral objectives, aside hé only do human like hear them, ask them how they feel and made hugs What a professional ! Players lost fire in the eyes at week 2 , and they almost laugh as everyone would do listening to him DON'T TALKING ABOUT THE GAME is a coach from
@@andrebraga3839did you Just have a stroke? Also what do you mean targamas hasnt spoken since like day 1 and also they started talking at the last games and i do think thats bcuz of yamato lmao
Yamato is a young and naive guy still. He often appears much older than he is. So there are some illusions left to have 😂 Loyality in business is fake. From person to person: yes. From org to person: never.
@@ThomasMueller999 I half agree. I thought the loyalty would come because KC is a team from people in the scene who understand how a long term project works and don't demand someones head for something as silly as 3 weeks and a 2-7 split So often these decisions happen because higher ups on the business side push without understanding and I guess i was naive enough to think KC would be more rational
It's crazy how a majority of people don't know that almost every single team in the pro scene is run by players. Also Yamato is the reason Targ Rell W'd behind his team and killed them TRUEEEEEE
They had massive success in their previous region, and all of a sudden they think they can win LEC. And when they aren't performing cause of players massive skill gap, suddenly it is the coach issue. RIP coach scapegoat.
Love yamato but he never performed as a coach. How Bo and upset have massive skill gaps ? And Half of LEC players got beaten by Cabochard, Saken and Targamas before they join LEC. They did good vs FNC and G2 and won vs BDS and SK. But you're telling me they are bad players ? Drafts sucked balls except the 2 last ones, Upset even implied it in a interview. Yamato took full blame coz he knew one of his draft sucked he said it himself in video. But yeah players issue.
@@TheSimSprod The drafts were not the issue you have to be baiting. You are giga coping if you think the drafts were bad, I only remember one draft that was ass the rest KC outdrafted or neutralised the enemy draft every game. Also, Yamato doesn’t talk to them in game, how is it his fault their individual performance is bad? That they make god awful decisions in game? Let me guess Yamato took the keyboard from Targamas and taped his mouth shut which is why he can’t hit a single skill shot and why he can’t communicate at all?
They win early game mods of the time or are even it's just because of drafts they can't do anything when midgame comes but if you don't get that. Continue to think Yamato is the best coach ever when he is not. I truly like Yamato as a person but the drafts were bad for a lot of reasons and he never performed as a coach maybe there is a correlation but yeah everyone got gapped lol when they are even or ahead after early game. If you can't see that just go to minute 15 of every game and you will see. So individually they are not bad it's macro related and picks related. It isn't by picking good champ that you make a good draft it depends on the opponent's draft and synergies between champs but I do agree targamas is muted and he shouldn't be. I would change him in the roster and get a better analyst for drafts over kicking Yamato in winter. But the truth is the drafts made no sense
If there is one positive from this KC fiasco is that Bo has finally shut up all the haters saying he was trash. Man came into a shit team, tried so fucking hard, carried comms speaking pretty good english, and looked like the best player on the team despite them being absolute garbage. Bo is legit. Anyone still hating on Bo is delusional. If this guy was on a good team, they would win LEC every time. Put him on G2, let's see what happens.
Not at all, you guys keep talking shit but you still don't understand anything about KC. It's okay, keep talking, who cares about silver 3 12IQ opinions anyways
This is the situation of "don't cry because it over, smile because it over". An org that fire a guy over short period performance is shortsight in character. And if they don't make bad decisions now, they will make it latter, who know what is that gonna screw up.
I look forward how KC will go far next split.. Right now I'm not sht talking anyone we'll see how the next coach fair with these boosted players with a winning draft but mark my words if they fall harder or goes even, I WILL tag every commentors on these clip that approved that Yamato was the problem.
How can they fall harder? They are at the bottom. All the next coach has to do is to go even or win a game when it counts. When he goes even they'll say "it's because the players are shit after all,..." when he wins one game (out of the first 5-6 games) they'll go with "it was Yamatos fault after all"
The ONLY thing I can imagine happening behind the scenes that somehow justifies this would be Yamato loosing it at Targa and Saken at some point because of their comms and them not listening to what Bo and Upset are saying. Maybe he even held his hand out like a teacher and demanded the gum from Saken 😂 this whole thing reminds me of TSM somehow.. A franchise player that isn't really performing well but somehow gaslights management into thinking the coach is the problem.. Sounds familiar 🤔 but to TSMs credit they never went full nationalist fanservice so I guess TSM > KC
Kameto said that he was about to talk to each players and staffs members individually and take his decisions Looks like the players/staff didnt appreciate him
Agree with dom @3:08, I think they won against BDS because they're probably around the same level at managing their lanes and Targamas wasnt running it down by baiting a huge fight or wasting their engage. Then again, the post is also by LEC Wooloo who is speculating and a notorious leaker who has been wrong but Thorin has also talked with Monte on LFN so i'm not sure anymore, maybe just good banter/ "content".
Team full of bots and they fire the coach, that's like saying the only player in your team that isn't feeding and is actually holding his own against the enemy team is the reason why the whole team of feeders is losing the game :D
Yamato can play League better than Targamas or SAKEN. It's okay, rich people making bad decisions, now we can cheer when KC got burnt to ashes. And loyalty is dead in esports. EVEN IN KC!
Yamato peak is diamond what your talking about, that men is the greteast fraud E sport got after Michel in a different kind. He's a politician not a gamer not a data analyst . He only made player hug themselves and ask them how they feel what a competent men ! So a men, comporting himself as a politician talking about loyalty is hilarious not to mention that to get the job HE trash talked the previous coach all years long what a nice sign of loyalty
@Malo-pg2tm OP probably means that there’s no real relationships with players and teams anymore. People just get swapped after one split making it impossible to ever build good teams or a good environment.
You guys know that when Yamato said "loyalty is dead in e-sports except in KC" he talked about the fans? Because it looks like you guys comment without reading more than a translated title...
Sucks. At the end of the day, these teams are ran as businesses and a lot of them have investors. Someone has to take the blame and everyone wants to keep their salaries. The nice guy loses in these situations and that was probably yamato.
this has to be an inside job by targamas against yamato and hes gonna start playing w a brain once the new coach starts so they can confirm that yamato was the problem 😂
Bruh AST had a better Top MID and Sup than Kcorp do ffs. It's actually funny watching them fire the coach who had mostly winning drafts rather than dealing with the players who are fucking worse than what AST was.
It's sad honestly for the LEC. The region will never be a competitive region again with certain people/teams in the LEC. Time to full send supporting the LPL
Hard to belive Targemas once was pretty decent when he was in G2... Now he is the worst support in the league lmao, you can tell he is just there for the paycheck and go home.
very few KC fans booed + KC fans stopped them + KC CEO explained in steam in front of his audience it wasn't OK to taunt a team that joined a showmatch + he had a talk with T1 CEO to make sure everything was fine keep using the 1% toxic to trash the entire org dumbass
They still have 2 splits ahead of them. They could still fix their problems. They have to look at other successful teams like G2 and BDS to see what they're doing right 🤔🤔🤔
Didn't even get fired, he still works for kameto, which is the worst part. No actually, the worst part is we won't get to hear legendary quotes like "activate your champion"
After watching all of the KC games, I do not know how the first thought is to get rid of the coach instead of benching and swapping some players. Genuinely, and this may surprise some of you, I think Yamato must've wanted to keep the entire team. The only logical explanation is that they disagreed with Yamato's decision to not bench any players or to not get any new players, etc. On top of that, there's a good chance he wasn't being hard enough on them because they probably look like they need that. The decision is not justified either way, because keeping all of the players is unironically a fine decision despite how shit it's going, it's BO1 and the first split. I think no matter what Yamato couldn't have done literally anything (including the reason above) that would deserve for him to be let go. It's Yamato so I highly doubt this is a behavioral issue, they must take issue with the way he's coaching or some decision he's making. If the org benched Targamas and then outwardly said, "Yamato didn't want to bench him" everyone would squirm a little bit but at least we'd understand the reasoning. It could also be the other way around, where Yamato wanted to make a lot of changes and the Org didn't want to try that yet. Either way, if no roster changes come out of this it's a really bad look. It means that anything Yamato said (in regards to a roster change) was completely ignored despite his better judgement. Or, it means the Org makes roster changes that Yamato was clearly against--for instance we'd all lose our shit if they got rid of Bo based on what, reddit threads? I don't know this is crazy to me, I really wanna know what happened I feel really bad that he's out of the job just like that. I guess it's also possible that the team sucked so bad he asked for a pay-raise haha.
"who are the erl players?" my mans you didn't even watch your own teams games, now you want to tweet about the team you didnt watch. i refuse to believe that person exists
They started to win in the last games with Yamato there, they probably will start well the next season and people will blame Yamato because they lost the previous 7 games and praise the new coach and justify the choice... I already can see it
bro it's more like the opposite of golden state(i assume you're talking about golden state warriors). Steve kerr is trash lmao, but the players aren't play well at all too! Issues everywhere, please do correct me if you're talking about something else.
@@limnbakpoplolyihong8979last years playoffs vs 1st seed Kings was an absolute coaching masterclass from Kerr (& brown). His adjustments throughout the game and series was phenomenal 😐. This narrative of him being a bad coach is from casuals who thought Kaminga should’ve been played in the 4th quarter of a single regular season game. You’re a casual if u think Kerr is a bad coach.
@@fanwee5048 Running a 4 guard lineup during crunch time when we need defenses is a good coach to you? Tell me more. This season is a good indicator to how good of a coach steve kerr is. He isn't our only problem, but he is one of the main problem right now. He isn't the definitive main problem but he is an issue nonetheless. Everyone has been freaking complaining about him lol. It's not just me.
wow it's not Cabo, Saken, Targa, and to some extends Upset, but it was yamato. How can he help a player lost to Perkz's Azir with Corki? If Yamato's gone but the roster stays, it would fcking blow my mind
It does make sense actually. He drafted garbage. You have to be a war criminal to make Targamas play Ashe. And a lot went on behind the scenes too. He wasn't the right fit for the team at all but glad to see you and the whole comment section is not biased lol
@@Akynamhe for sure not only the game better than you, but he also have WAY more information from behind the scene just by looking the inside videl witch indeed none of you yamatard are gonna watch to sée that he don't do real coaching
Oh no, he made a professional player play one of the best supports on the patch, what an idiot dude. Like are you for real? If targamas can't play one of the best supports on the patch, perhaps he's the fucking problem lmao
They had winning drafts in the majority of their games based on every english analysts opinions (Dom,Caedrel,etc). They had like 2 atrocious drafts but thats it? Not to mention its 2024 and u still dont realize coaches dont draft. They do like the first half at best, but mostly bans, as that all goes down to prep, the rest is reactionary and decided by the players.
Let's be serious, YC is a scammer and ALWAYS was... He managed teams that could easily be champions (Fnatic) and always made them play horrible... Transformed teams of rookies that were doing VERY well into garbage (VIT) Yes, he took 2 or 3 rookie rosters to worlds, but if he didn't do it even after having been stealing for 1 decade...
What the fuck are you talking about? Vitality were not good before Yamato. They were a 4th place team who HE took to worlds with Attila and Jiizuke. HE took them to worlds. Fnatic was a fucking trainwreck internally, he fixed a team that in 2021 couldnt win an argument into a team that went to worlds, then 2022 the whole roster was swapped and despite MASSIVE interpersonal issues, still managed to get them to worlds and to actually win games against Korean teams. He also took a rookie splyce team to worlds and had a massive impact on the success of players like Wunder - Which even Wunder has said. The only team you could say were a failure was fnatic and even then it depends on how you actually look at it. A team that is good on paper but had massive internal issues due to management, etc that he was able to get to worlds...
The coach peak is diamond, and it was on the easiest season ever, It's the same thing. He also made politic statement, and NOT DO HIS JOB as we can see in the inside so yeah, plus problem with players, his left behind It's normal That men is a fraud how many time will he have to be in LEC to his fan to understand that , he's just a polician everything is in his communication nothing about the game and people still drink his word like It's sacred water lol
How can you say that Saken looks like a bottom tier laner when bro only went even or ahead in 7 losing games ? Cabo is not a good Gragas/Rumble/Jax player, has never been and he lost those lanes hard, but the others went fine. Targamas underperformed like crazy, that I can admit, but you can't tell me he isn't LEC worthy when he won it (and with another rookie botlane, and they won a lot of lanes together). I think that as usual people are criticizing who they like hating, and they don't know the situation. From what I can see from there, Kameto and KCorp want to have results ASAP because it's a huge investment and it was a shitshow this split. The ingredients are good so blame the cook I guess ? I like Yamato's personality but I'm not sure he is good at anything but creating team atmosphere as far as major region coaches go and that makes me think KCorp thought his salary is wasted ? Anyways that LEC team is Kameto's dream, and I think the pressure was a bit tough on everyone and they had to change something. As I have more than half a brain -unlike some here- I will restrain from judging without context until I can see if the improvement is here or not. In the meantime stop flaming everyone or comparing KC to Astralis, because at least they are TRYING to win and taking risks. Also, remember without them we would have no Adam and no Striker, that they won 4 EUMs, being the only one to win more than 1 and dominating the lower rank of europe. I would rather flame the abusive teams that don't pay players or abuse them rather than KCorp.
Bro what fucking losing lanes are you looking at? Also its the best champion he actually has in Azir and he couldn't land a single ult... Yes he played like ass. Most of the matchups he was playing in were either winning or at least even matchups, that he decided to run down in the mid game. Jax and Rumble were 2 of Cabo's most played champions last year and some of his best (60% winrate and 67% winrate respectively) - A champion he has played 20 times in his career, that is meta should not be that bad, but apparently he couldn't play anything to a high level unless the enemy team inted draft. So why would you not try to stick him on something weakside and try to get other lanes ahead. Winning LEC - Doesnt mean you are LEC level. Targamas was literally playing on a team with Caps and Jankos - One of the most successful duos in the LEC and he was playing with Flakked who seems to be the Support Whisperer. Saying "Oh well he won therefore he must be LEC level" when he was playing like Ass on XL and he has played like Ass this split, doesn't make sense. He won on G2... because its G2, he then left G2 and completely receded into obscurity. People are criticizing the people who DESERVE the criticism. "The ingredients are good" - Yeah because Saken, Targamas and Cabochard have totally shown they are good in the LEC xD. Cant be that they were playing like ass and maybe arent as good as KC fans think they are. "Yamatos not good at anything except team atmosphere" - Shows you know nothing about Yamato and dont listen to anything he says and instead go "Lol he wears a suit and has a nice voice". "I have more than half a brain" - Proceeds to act like none of the players played badly and all of the problems stem from coaching and drafting. "I will refrain from judging without context" - Proceeds to say Yamato is a moron, knows nothing about the game and is too blame for all of the teams problems. KC are Astralis, they are not trying to win nor are they taking risks - They have signed stupid guarantees and agreements with players that are not good enough to compete in LEC and are now performing damage control by saying its everyone elses fault apart from those players who played like Ass. "I like Kcorp so hey don't flame them for their poor treatment and bad decisions, flame other orgs please".
just being french watching dom and catching strays because of one french org and their fans you never hear people say they hate koreans when t1 fans are toxic but i guess with france its okay to just be racist
It' literally impossible to get invested in teams any more when they change every few weeks. They give teams and coaches zero time to develop together and wonder why they suck and nobody likes them.
Yamato simply couldn't steer this shipwreck. For whatever reason people backed Crusher's firing which happened under the same circumstances but when it comes to Yamato we say give him another split? This is a results based industry -- not reaching even top eight is terrible. Throughout the years I have yet to see Yamato's value as a coach, throughout his time in Fnatic and otherwise.
I really like Yamato and i agree that its fucked to release him after this short period of time but imo hes always been a fraud as a coach. His teams legit never had good results.
The only error you can really point out from yamato is trying out many different strategies instead of working on one, except its completely understandable while you're learning the meta and your teams identity. In football, Tom Brady said the best thing you can do to improve a team is stability, constantly having major shifts is how you stay at step 1 permanently - unless the issue is completely obvious, except the major mechanical issues come way before coaching.
I find it funny. Like, bro, I know Yamato is your friend and all, but to say it makes no sense is kinda delusional to me. Is it a good move, probably not. But he wouldn't be in this situation if the team looked even remotely on sinc during the season.
"All the work that Yamato did" what do you know exactly about what Yamato did? Nothing. As Kameto the owner of Kcorp said, there was a problem about the work that has been done and if Yamato is fired it is probably related to Yamato's work.
So wack, considering it was so obvious the players were not good enough to perform with the best in the league. They just want a scapegoat to appease the fans that they are doing 'something'
Noooo, you can't say that in here. You can only regurgitate the same streamer's opinions over and over and over again and "oooga booga Targamas doesn't talk". Accept the narrative that a coach that has never proven literally *anything* in his career, is suddenly the best coach in Europe. Of course the people who spend 8h a day watching streams know about the team dynamics and know better than KC managenent.
targamas cabo and saken are just straight up bad and yamato gave them winning draft almost every game its all good tho next time just say you are braindead@@nunysnips
Damn, i kept saying Free my boy Yamato... but like... lets be real, Did they see the entire team play? He helped Draft good drafts... The team fumbles the bag then BOOM!
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imagine yamato saying "loyalty is dead in esports but not in KC" in an interview just to get benched after one split
When Yamato went to bat for these clowns on twitter I could already sense the impending doom lol
I don't see the contradiction here. They stayed loyal to their old players and first coach
@@bibabain92 big up to that, can't wait to see them going 0-9 next split
@@BestMomentsHD I wasn't expecting Yamato to get kicked out but me and you don't know shit about the internal dynamic of the team so don't act like an expert analyst lol
@@bibabain92 You don't need to be an expert analyst to see that they are following astralis' footsteps. Yamato been kicked probably cuz they have to kick someone but they could demote any of the not capable players instead, it wouldn't hurt, it probably would do a better job but it's MYREGION so no surprise here
On the brightside, Yamato doesn't have to coach this team anymore.
Yeah but he was coaching Bo man, smh 😞
Exactly.
@@cremlindor6607 Bo got the same coach he had in FPX at the start of the split
He might still be the 2nd coach but i hope not kc doesnt deserve yamato. Even if yamato doesnt have a good history as a coach on paper but he did his fucking best taking all the blame for weeks
@@xxivkraegen2124You should be able to give any pro team most of the drafts he came up with and they would win even without coaching. They had some Thanos level drafts and still lost hard it’s just over for this team
Yamato got fired and Targamas still has a job
NGL if Targamas still has a job were gonna have a genuine problem
@@jalyc19 he's not my problem, he's KCs problem
@@jalyc19 If he keeps playing like right now his carrer is over thats insane how he manage to throw in evey singel way possibel
The night is young…
Well yeah he had that one bard game ;)
Fell terribly for Yamato. Guy can't seem to catch a damn break. A coach can't make your support not be a mute FFS. Anyone can watch those voice comm videos and understand that. Those comms sounded like a middle school cafeteria.
Also Dom is completely right about ERL players not being on that level. These french fans are something else boy I tell you.
I feel bad for Yamato but at this point he need someone else to help him pick his next project because he might be a good coach, the team he picks just aren't helping him.
@@NeoArconDon't you see a pattern there, the only constant among those variables? Maybe it isn't the teams' fault :)
@@nunysnipsWell the guy did pretty well in Vitality and was liked in Korea tho he had to leave because at the time his GF coudnt live there.
Its really just FNC and KC that dont give him time.
French fans believe because it has been proved again and again that kc can scout randoms in division 3 and they end up performing in LEC.
They have an eye for talent thats for sure.
he is a bad coach so..
Yamato probably suggested we need trymbi in the team it’s either me or targamas.
I heard that Targamas contract is till 2025, and either he stepped up or KC is fucked for another season.
@@Torannn Not changing anything would make more sense than changing the head coach, thats the puzzling part. If theyre on a budget and cannot afford to sign mid season, surely you give yamato time and security, no? its like somebody had to be the scapegoat and since they cant fire any player for budget reasons, i guess yamato had to.
@@Torannnthey can still keep him as sub and bring in trymbi tho no?
@@mahatmaniggandhi2898 that mean they have to pay him as well, like the most contract stated. Imagine paying both the sub and the main, which is a terrible financially decision. Considered esport org doesn’t make much money(like literally they’re losing money) outside of sponsorship.
Yamato probably told them there's nothing more he can do to make these players communicate or mechanically play better and bozo management said, ah then you must be the problem
He got fired
Their communication got a lot better the last few games (even the rogue game).
On the bright side, Dom can flame the shit out of KC now
Bo and upset still there man...might have to wait until 2025 to flame them
@@nguyentri3608 Nah I'm sorry for Bo and Upset but they bout to catch some strays
The funniest part is that the team was starting to look better already. They beat BDS, didn't they? They were looking better. Cabochard improved a lot during the split. The only thing they needed to do was replace Targamas with Trymbi, and this team would cook in the next split. Firing Yamato makes no sense.
it makes sense tho, they need a french coach then all will work out
/s
The last few games are irrelevant cuz they had no pressure so you can’t judge them based on it
@@Rami-rin Huh? The entire team was being flamed the whole split, they were about to go 0-9, and now you tell me they had no pressure? Just because they were out of playoffs doesn't mean the players suddenly gave up on the season. Cabochard and Saken were clearly playing to keep their jobs. Even Targamas looked to be trying harder. We saw the voice comms we saw how hard Bo and Upset were already trying to drag this team to a win. Saying that you can't judge them based on the last few games makes zero sense in my opinion.
@@TimoCruz177oui oui
I mean, tbf SK game was a complete wintrade and u can argue BDS couldn’t care less about a game vs the worst team in the league when they almost ended up 1st. On paper, they were still suck ass, but they were out of pressure and against teams that didn’t care about losing irrelevant games
Yamato was probably the only thing keeping Bo sane with his drafts and reassurance he had Bo’d back, now he has vitality Flashbacks where if he doesn’t 2v8, he’s getting kicked and flamed for playing the game correctly.
Xddddd he's the reason all he touched lost dude, a diamond can't coach challenger that's all, even if targamas int and don't care at all It's his responsability the only thing he's doing as a coach is telling the player to envision the fight and play the neutral objectives, aside hé only do human like hear them, ask them how they feel and made hugs
What a professional !
Players lost fire in the eyes at week 2 , and they almost laugh as everyone would do listening to him DON'T TALKING ABOUT THE GAME is a coach from
@@andrebraga3839 🤡
@@andrebraga3839did you Just have a stroke? Also what do you mean targamas hasnt spoken since like day 1 and also they started talking at the last games and i do think thats bcuz of yamato lmao
@@andrebraga3839 lil bro, you do realize that there are like two coaches that are challanger worldwide?
I mean giving up is kinda France’s thing
Not at all, this is bullshit propaganda about our army
@@harpogrinewhere's the /s at bro lol
@@porkerpants didn't catched it
There is more to history than just a stereotyped version of WW2.
@@lightworker2956 the propaganda that tells we gave up wihtout fighting is false
"Just let me go, I cannot work with these fucking pigs" - Yamato (probably).
What dom said is so true, any improvements would never be credited to Yamato. It will only support the idea that Yamato was the issue.
This is sad :(
I feel horrified to be honest at how esports work. In sorry yamato
Esports management is always shit, there's always so much drama in every region
On the brightside, Yamato is back in the sack
This is so fucking crazy especially after the Ruddy podcast and what yamato said there about the vision and how KC operate
Yamato is a young and naive guy still. He often appears much older than he is. So there are some illusions left to have 😂 Loyality in business is fake. From person to person: yes. From org to person: never.
@@ThomasMueller999 I half agree. I thought the loyalty would come because KC is a team from people in the scene who understand how a long term project works and don't demand someones head for something as silly as 3 weeks and a 2-7 split
So often these decisions happen because higher ups on the business side push without understanding and I guess i was naive enough to think KC would be more rational
@@the_beemeryou're giving KC too much credit. Everything they say about loyalty is a lie since they're being backed with folks with money on the line
It's crazy how a majority of people don't know that almost every single team in the pro scene is run by players.
Also Yamato is the reason Targ Rell W'd behind his team and killed them TRUEEEEEE
If this is true, this is crazy. It's a horrible way to run a team in any sports.
They had massive success in their previous region, and all of a sudden they think they can win LEC. And when they aren't performing cause of players massive skill gap, suddenly it is the coach issue.
RIP coach scapegoat.
Love yamato but he never performed as a coach. How Bo and upset have massive skill gaps ? And Half of LEC players got beaten by Cabochard, Saken and Targamas before they join LEC. They did good vs FNC and G2 and won vs BDS and SK. But you're telling me they are bad players ?
Drafts sucked balls except the 2 last ones, Upset even implied it in a interview. Yamato took full blame coz he knew one of his draft sucked he said it himself in video.
But yeah players issue.
@@TheSimSprodhalf of LEC players got beaten by them, so thats the reason why they got gapped every single game by their counterparts?
@@TheSimSprod
The drafts were not the issue you have to be baiting.
You are giga coping if you think the drafts were bad, I only remember one draft that was ass the rest KC outdrafted or neutralised the enemy draft every game.
Also, Yamato doesn’t talk to them in game, how is it his fault their individual performance is bad? That they make god awful decisions in game?
Let me guess Yamato took the keyboard from Targamas and taped his mouth shut which is why he can’t hit a single skill shot and why he can’t communicate at all?
They win early game mods of the time or are even it's just because of drafts they can't do anything when midgame comes but if you don't get that. Continue to think Yamato is the best coach ever when he is not. I truly like Yamato as a person but the drafts were bad for a lot of reasons and he never performed as a coach maybe there is a correlation but yeah everyone got gapped lol when they are even or ahead after early game. If you can't see that just go to minute 15 of every game and you will see. So individually they are not bad it's macro related and picks related. It isn't by picking good champ that you make a good draft it depends on the opponent's draft and synergies between champs but I do agree targamas is muted and he shouldn't be. I would change him in the roster and get a better analyst for drafts over kicking Yamato in winter. But the truth is the drafts made no sense
@@TheSimSprodno draft could carry whatever the hell that top and mid were doing lil guy, the draft can't win if the players are clowns
aye with how mithy has been drafting hopefully c9 can sign yamato to replace him
kinda glad they're keeping targa so the 0-9 dream can be achieved next split
Feels like they just used Yamato to help secure Bo and upset
They're likely getting replaced next year
If there is one positive from this KC fiasco is that Bo has finally shut up all the haters saying he was trash. Man came into a shit team, tried so fucking hard, carried comms speaking pretty good english, and looked like the best player on the team despite them being absolute garbage. Bo is legit. Anyone still hating on Bo is delusional. If this guy was on a good team, they would win LEC every time. Put him on G2, let's see what happens.
100% true.
bo wouldn't win shit
@@yume7335well, more than you for sure ;)
@@benyisg7633 well,.. Bo 0 titles, me 0 titles...
The problem with KC is that they were humiliated, thus someone has to go. They're impatient :D
Yeah, maybe if the entire league wasn't perma trashing them it would be easier
@@harpogrine qq. Hopes were high
Not at all, you guys keep talking shit but you still don't understand anything about KC. It's okay, keep talking, who cares about silver 3 12IQ opinions anyways
This is the situation of "don't cry because it over, smile because it over". An org that fire a guy over short period performance is shortsight in character. And if they don't make bad decisions now, they will make it latter, who know what is that gonna screw up.
now I just feel really bad for Bo and Upset tbh
Surely Yamato was the issue when Bo is the only member trying to communicate during the game
Good, now they just need to kick Bo and Upset to free them all from this hell.
Yamato prob asked them to take a shower,
Insta kicked.
Bo and Upset definitely won't be staying lol
57s ago is disgustingly early
AI ?!? xD
hoping KC doesnt win another game in the LEC
Reha draft>Yamato draft they will win dont worry😂
@@seiya452draft wasn't the problem lmao
@@giantdad391 lillia into milio 🎉
@@void4713 ohh one bad pick out of 8 hard winning drafts. Shut the fuck up
@@giantdad391 only time will tell, prepare your ass darling
I look forward how KC will go far next split.. Right now I'm not sht talking anyone we'll see how the next coach fair with these boosted players with a winning draft but mark my words if they fall harder or goes even, I WILL tag every commentors on these clip that approved that Yamato was the problem.
How can they fall harder? They are at the bottom. All the next coach has to do is to go even or win a game when it counts. When he goes even they'll say "it's because the players are shit after all,..." when he wins one game (out of the first 5-6 games) they'll go with "it was Yamatos fault after all"
The ONLY thing I can imagine happening behind the scenes that somehow justifies this would be Yamato loosing it at Targa and Saken at some point because of their comms and them not listening to what Bo and Upset are saying. Maybe he even held his hand out like a teacher and demanded the gum from Saken 😂 this whole thing reminds me of TSM somehow.. A franchise player that isn't really performing well but somehow gaslights management into thinking the coach is the problem.. Sounds familiar 🤔 but to TSMs credit they never went full nationalist fanservice so I guess TSM > KC
Kameto said that he was about to talk to each players and staffs members individually and take his decisions
Looks like the players/staff didnt appreciate him
Large change that's just for optics.
Even if that's true, it's very easy to save your skin as a player or other supporting member of the team by scapegoating a coach
Agree with dom @3:08, I think they won against BDS because they're probably around the same level at managing their lanes and Targamas wasnt running it down by baiting a huge fight or wasting their engage.
Then again, the post is also by LEC Wooloo who is speculating and a notorious leaker who has been wrong but Thorin has also talked with Monte on LFN so i'm not sure anymore, maybe just good banter/ "content".
Let's fire the MVP of our team. Let's DIG OUR WAY OUT
hope they fire Bo so he can get a real team
Team full of bots and they fire the coach, that's like saying the only player in your team that isn't feeding and is actually holding his own against the enemy team is the reason why the whole team of feeders is losing the game :D
KC seems...unserious.
Upset and bo should refuse to play
Yamato can play League better than Targamas or SAKEN. It's okay, rich people making bad decisions, now we can cheer when KC got burnt to ashes.
And loyalty is dead in esports. EVEN IN KC!
lmao, let's pretend you waited Yamato's kick to trash KC, the entire league is already on their back, what's one more ?
Yamato peak is diamond what your talking about, that men is the greteast fraud E sport got after Michel in a different kind.
He's a politician not a gamer not a data analyst . He only made player hug themselves and ask them how they feel what a competent men !
So a men, comporting himself as a politician talking about loyalty is hilarious not to mention that to get the job HE trash talked the previous coach all years long what a nice sign of loyalty
@Malo-pg2tm Got triggered? Go cry to your mama. 😜
@@harpogrine Yamato is too positive to trash KC. Get back to the dumpster, trash. 😜
@Malo-pg2tm
OP probably means that there’s no real relationships with players and teams anymore. People just get swapped after one split making it impossible to ever build good teams or a good environment.
they should kick Bo too and sign a frenchy. Full baguette
on the bright side, gilius needs help with lck stream
You guys know that when Yamato said "loyalty is dead in e-sports except in KC" he talked about the fans? Because it looks like you guys comment without reading more than a translated title...
Yamato wanted changes (players)... Kameto no... = bye bye
Sucks. At the end of the day, these teams are ran as businesses and a lot of them have investors. Someone has to take the blame and everyone wants to keep their salaries. The nice guy loses in these situations and that was probably yamato.
The depressed 5 o’clock shadow is a good look on you. Keep your chin up kings
this has to be an inside job by targamas against yamato and hes gonna start playing w a brain once the new coach starts so they can confirm that yamato was the problem 😂
I feel so bad for yamato man. he aint deserve this
Bruh AST had a better Top MID and Sup than Kcorp do ffs. It's actually funny watching them fire the coach who had mostly winning drafts rather than dealing with the players who are fucking worse than what AST was.
Is this an april fools joke? We aren't firing the ERL players?
It's sad honestly for the LEC. The region will never be a competitive region again with certain people/teams in the LEC.
Time to full send supporting the LPL
Have hated france since I was born and this ain't helping their case
France doesn't even know you exist so it's fine.
@@benyisg7633 someones butthurt lol
Hard to belive Targemas once was pretty decent when he was in G2... Now he is the worst support in the league lmao, you can tell he is just there for the paycheck and go home.
Booing Faker at a for fun tourney, now firing YC. Trash org all around
very few KC fans booed + KC fans stopped them + KC CEO explained in steam in front of his audience it wasn't OK to taunt a team that joined a showmatch + he had a talk with T1 CEO to make sure everything was fine
keep using the 1% toxic to trash the entire org dumbass
im rooting for kc to lose all of their games now
They still have 2 splits ahead of them. They could still fix their problems. They have to look at other successful teams like G2 and BDS to see what they're doing right 🤔🤔🤔
Yamato isn’t French enough lmfao
such as Nisqy wasn't spanish enough ?
@Malo-pg2tm don't pay any attention to this delusionnals
they don't even realize they are way more cringe than the people they are making fun of
Are you slow ?
Didn't even get fired, he still works for kameto, which is the worst part. No actually, the worst part is we won't get to hear legendary quotes like "activate your champion"
the flaming will be insufferable
Bruh I kept saying this was a bad idea 😢 fuck KC but I hope Yamato bounces back
Yamato will get his time, im sure of it and thank god its not on a french team.
at least we get yamato back in the sack
La Morons
After watching all of the KC games, I do not know how the first thought is to get rid of the coach instead of benching and swapping some players. Genuinely, and this may surprise some of you, I think Yamato must've wanted to keep the entire team. The only logical explanation is that they disagreed with Yamato's decision to not bench any players or to not get any new players, etc. On top of that, there's a good chance he wasn't being hard enough on them because they probably look like they need that.
The decision is not justified either way, because keeping all of the players is unironically a fine decision despite how shit it's going, it's BO1 and the first split. I think no matter what Yamato couldn't have done literally anything (including the reason above) that would deserve for him to be let go. It's Yamato so I highly doubt this is a behavioral issue, they must take issue with the way he's coaching or some decision he's making.
If the org benched Targamas and then outwardly said, "Yamato didn't want to bench him" everyone would squirm a little bit but at least we'd understand the reasoning. It could also be the other way around, where Yamato wanted to make a lot of changes and the Org didn't want to try that yet. Either way, if no roster changes come out of this it's a really bad look. It means that anything Yamato said (in regards to a roster change) was completely ignored despite his better judgement. Or, it means the Org makes roster changes that Yamato was clearly against--for instance we'd all lose our shit if they got rid of Bo based on what, reddit threads?
I don't know this is crazy to me, I really wanna know what happened I feel really bad that he's out of the job just like that. I guess it's also possible that the team sucked so bad he asked for a pay-raise haha.
Isnt kc keeping the entire roster?
Dear Dom, all the countries of Europe hate France.
It's because of the massive stomp we pull out against the entire World at Pixel War ?
For no reason
"who are the erl players?" my mans you didn't even watch your own teams games, now you want to tweet about the team you didnt watch. i refuse to believe that person exists
They started to win in the last games with Yamato there, they probably will start well the next season and people will blame Yamato because they lost the previous 7 games and praise the new coach and justify the choice... I already can see it
sounds like a golden state situation.
wdym
bro it's more like the opposite of golden state(i assume you're talking about golden state warriors). Steve kerr is trash lmao, but the players aren't play well at all too! Issues everywhere, please do correct me if you're talking about something else.
@@limnbakpoplolyihong8979last years playoffs vs 1st seed Kings was an absolute coaching masterclass from Kerr (& brown). His adjustments throughout the game and series was phenomenal 😐.
This narrative of him being a bad coach is from casuals who thought Kaminga should’ve been played in the 4th quarter of a single regular season game. You’re a casual if u think Kerr is a bad coach.
@@fanwee5048 Running a 4 guard lineup during crunch time when we need defenses is a good coach to you? Tell me more. This season is a good indicator to how good of a coach steve kerr is. He isn't our only problem, but he is one of the main problem right now. He isn't the definitive main problem but he is an issue nonetheless. Everyone has been freaking complaining about him lol. It's not just me.
Yamato got fired for Saken being worse than perks
This is Bo-shiiiiiii
Damn we made fun of madlions by just hiring spanish people but here comes KC and their nationalism xdx
His drafts were horrible tbh but the performance of the players wasn't better
TargHAMAS
The one man we all wanted to win the most in KC is being dropped… good luck finding fans 😅
wow it's not Cabo, Saken, Targa, and to some extends Upset, but it was yamato. How can he help a player lost to Perkz's Azir with Corki? If Yamato's gone but the roster stays, it would fcking blow my mind
Kicking the best asset on the team is such a dumb move..
It does make sense actually. He drafted garbage. You have to be a war criminal to make Targamas play Ashe. And a lot went on behind the scenes too. He wasn't the right fit for the team at all but glad to see you and the whole comment section is not biased lol
you know nothing about this game do you :DDD
@@Akynamhe for sure not only the game better than you, but he also have WAY more information from behind the scene just by looking the inside videl witch indeed none of you yamatard are gonna watch to sée that he don't do real coaching
Oh no, he made a professional player play one of the best supports on the patch, what an idiot dude. Like are you for real? If targamas can't play one of the best supports on the patch, perhaps he's the fucking problem lmao
They had winning drafts in the majority of their games based on every english analysts opinions (Dom,Caedrel,etc). They had like 2 atrocious drafts but thats it?
Not to mention its 2024 and u still dont realize coaches dont draft. They do like the first half at best, but mostly bans, as that all goes down to prep, the rest is reactionary and decided by the players.
I am sure they still have to pay him for the remaining time of his contract. So its whatever.
Let's be serious, YC is a scammer and ALWAYS was... He managed teams that could easily be champions (Fnatic) and always made them play horrible...
Transformed teams of rookies that were doing VERY well into garbage (VIT)
Yes, he took 2 or 3 rookie rosters to worlds, but if he didn't do it even after having been stealing for 1 decade...
What the fuck are you talking about? Vitality were not good before Yamato. They were a 4th place team who HE took to worlds with Attila and Jiizuke. HE took them to worlds.
Fnatic was a fucking trainwreck internally, he fixed a team that in 2021 couldnt win an argument into a team that went to worlds, then 2022 the whole roster was swapped and despite MASSIVE interpersonal issues, still managed to get them to worlds and to actually win games against Korean teams.
He also took a rookie splyce team to worlds and had a massive impact on the success of players like Wunder - Which even Wunder has said.
The only team you could say were a failure was fnatic and even then it depends on how you actually look at it. A team that is good on paper but had massive internal issues due to management, etc that he was able to get to worlds...
Kc are bunch of soloque player u interview on the street then “ask what rank are u and u wanna play in pro?”
Some say “I’m gold” kc be like sure why not I’m sure no one will realize it if there’s anything we blame on coach
@@calvinel8507 delusional
The coach peak is diamond, and it was on the easiest season ever, It's the same thing. He also made politic statement, and NOT DO HIS JOB as we can see in the inside so yeah, plus problem with players, his left behind It's normal
That men is a fraud how many time will he have to be in LEC to his fan to understand that , he's just a polician everything is in his communication nothing about the game and people still drink his word like It's sacred water lol
How can you say that Saken looks like a bottom tier laner when bro only went even or ahead in 7 losing games ?
Cabo is not a good Gragas/Rumble/Jax player, has never been and he lost those lanes hard, but the others went fine.
Targamas underperformed like crazy, that I can admit, but you can't tell me he isn't LEC worthy when he won it (and with another rookie botlane, and they won a lot of lanes together).
I think that as usual people are criticizing who they like hating, and they don't know the situation. From what I can see from there, Kameto and KCorp want to have results ASAP because it's a huge investment and it was a shitshow this split. The ingredients are good so blame the cook I guess ? I like Yamato's personality but I'm not sure he is good at anything but creating team atmosphere as far as major region coaches go and that makes me think KCorp thought his salary is wasted ?
Anyways that LEC team is Kameto's dream, and I think the pressure was a bit tough on everyone and they had to change something. As I have more than half a brain -unlike some here- I will restrain from judging without context until I can see if the improvement is here or not.
In the meantime stop flaming everyone or comparing KC to Astralis, because at least they are TRYING to win and taking risks. Also, remember without them we would have no Adam and no Striker, that they won 4 EUMs, being the only one to win more than 1 and dominating the lower rank of europe. I would rather flame the abusive teams that don't pay players or abuse them rather than KCorp.
Bro what fucking losing lanes are you looking at? Also its the best champion he actually has in Azir and he couldn't land a single ult... Yes he played like ass. Most of the matchups he was playing in were either winning or at least even matchups, that he decided to run down in the mid game.
Jax and Rumble were 2 of Cabo's most played champions last year and some of his best (60% winrate and 67% winrate respectively) - A champion he has played 20 times in his career, that is meta should not be that bad, but apparently he couldn't play anything to a high level unless the enemy team inted draft. So why would you not try to stick him on something weakside and try to get other lanes ahead.
Winning LEC - Doesnt mean you are LEC level. Targamas was literally playing on a team with Caps and Jankos - One of the most successful duos in the LEC and he was playing with Flakked who seems to be the Support Whisperer. Saying "Oh well he won therefore he must be LEC level" when he was playing like Ass on XL and he has played like Ass this split, doesn't make sense. He won on G2... because its G2, he then left G2 and completely receded into obscurity.
People are criticizing the people who DESERVE the criticism. "The ingredients are good" - Yeah because Saken, Targamas and Cabochard have totally shown they are good in the LEC xD. Cant be that they were playing like ass and maybe arent as good as KC fans think they are. "Yamatos not good at anything except team atmosphere" - Shows you know nothing about Yamato and dont listen to anything he says and instead go "Lol he wears a suit and has a nice voice".
"I have more than half a brain" - Proceeds to act like none of the players played badly and all of the problems stem from coaching and drafting. "I will refrain from judging without context" - Proceeds to say Yamato is a moron, knows nothing about the game and is too blame for all of the teams problems.
KC are Astralis, they are not trying to win nor are they taking risks - They have signed stupid guarantees and agreements with players that are not good enough to compete in LEC and are now performing damage control by saying its everyone elses fault apart from those players who played like Ass. "I like Kcorp so hey don't flame them for their poor treatment and bad decisions, flame other orgs please".
just being french watching dom and catching strays because of one french org and their fans
you never hear people say they hate koreans when t1 fans are toxic but i guess with france its okay to just be racist
how the hell is Saken an LEC mid laner its actually robbery for a paycheck
Because he's french 😂
C9 Yamato !!!!
Yes, this is very disconcerting. I was ready to continue following the team after the rough start, but I've lost interest after they benched our boy.
It' literally impossible to get invested in teams any more when they change every few weeks. They give teams and coaches zero time to develop together and wonder why they suck and nobody likes them.
Yamato simply couldn't steer this shipwreck. For whatever reason people backed Crusher's firing which happened under the same circumstances but when it comes to Yamato we say give him another split? This is a results based industry -- not reaching even top eight is terrible. Throughout the years I have yet to see Yamato's value as a coach, throughout his time in Fnatic and otherwise.
I really like Yamato and i agree that its fucked to release him after this short period of time but imo hes always been a fraud as a coach. His teams legit never had good results.
The only error you can really point out from yamato is trying out many different strategies instead of working on one, except its completely understandable while you're learning the meta and your teams identity.
In football, Tom Brady said the best thing you can do to improve a team is stability, constantly having major shifts is how you stay at step 1 permanently - unless the issue is completely obvious, except the major mechanical issues come way before coaching.
I find it funny. Like, bro, I know Yamato is your friend and all, but to say it makes no sense is kinda delusional to me. Is it a good move, probably not. But he wouldn't be in this situation if the team looked even remotely on sinc during the season.
"All the work that Yamato did" what do you know exactly about what Yamato did? Nothing. As Kameto the owner of Kcorp said, there was a problem about the work that has been done and if Yamato is fired it is probably related to Yamato's work.
lmfao no way
So wack, considering it was so obvious the players were not good enough to perform with the best in the league. They just want a scapegoat to appease the fans that they are doing 'something'
I hate result based analysis so fkin much
This is not results based, this is based on how those players actually play the game.
Yes it makes sense Yamato is the worst coach in Europe
Noooo, you can't say that in here. You can only regurgitate the same streamer's opinions over and over and over again and "oooga booga Targamas doesn't talk". Accept the narrative that a coach that has never proven literally *anything* in his career, is suddenly the best coach in Europe. Of course the people who spend 8h a day watching streams know about the team dynamics and know better than KC managenent.
targamas cabo and saken are just straight up bad and yamato gave them winning draft almost every game its all good tho next time just say you are braindead@@nunysnips
Wining draft XDdddd , two word AKALI , and LULU your not even Brain dead you literaly are born without.@@wandalsavage7763
@@nunysnipsYou've seen the coms and the matches and still defending KC LMAO, their top and mid are clowns and don't deserve any respect
keep repeating that narrative and spamming it in twitch chat, mate@@wandalsavage7763
Damn, i kept saying Free my boy Yamato... but like... lets be real, Did they see the entire team play? He helped Draft good drafts... The team fumbles the bag then BOOM!
Ibai was right
clueless af for KC
Saken targanas straight 🗑️
Get Yamato on C9 as head coach and get rid of Mithy