As always, I appreciate your honesty. I have 2600 miles on my X4 Fox Live Valve and loving it. Thanks again for the time you put into these videos to benefit others.
Very good review my friend. Honda is where it’s at. Owned many Honda quads and never had any issues. Had a few Polaris and can am sxs and they are junk. Never again
Great review or update video! I’ve been waiting for a new video from you for awhile! I have a 2020 but I’ve only got about 700 miles on mine! I don’t leave my property very often but I like putting all of the goodies on anyway because I’ll probably keep this machine until I’m dead or it is! Take care 👍👍
The DCT is why I bought my Talon, that and it's a Honda and I trust them. I knew going in that other machines are better at many things, but the Talon is very good over all. Much like my CBR1100XX.
Honda makes a superior vehicle. No other manufacturer comes close People claim their Canam or polaris or yamaha wil go faster. but not if u consider they wont last five years whereas the honda will last 20 for sure (easily) and probably 30-40 years
Very Informative as usual,it just helped me figure out the clicking noise I've started hearing when I'm going slow and turning right.Mine is a 2020 R with 1400 miles,only issue so far, had a ground strap come loose at 1300 miles ,diagnostic port read no ecu,so I freaked and took it to dealer, who fixed rather quickly under extended warranty. Glad to see fresh videos from ya.
After reading about the short air filter life I decided to put a filter minder on mine, like what's used on industrial vehicles/equipment. 2,000 miles later it still hasn't moved. I think people are seeing dirt on the filter and assuming that it's plugged up when it really isn't.
You’re right, I think most filters get changed prematurely. But if the fresh air was coming from a different location, like the pioneer 1000, it wouldn’t be a problem.
Awesome video. 3,000 rough miles on my x4 live valve. Not one issue yet. I still need to have shock therapy go through my shocks. After riding in yours it's a no brain'r to have them work over the shocks.
Not knocking the Talon at all but I got over 3,000 miles out of my 1rst belt on my rzr 800 trail. The machine is still like new and runs great....however my next machine will be a Honda for sure
Tons of people enjoy their Polaris machines. There’s pros and cons to every machine. Honda is very reliable. Pioneer 1000’s with over 50,000 miles on them.
Truth mine has had front differential rear differential and transmission rebuilt in 2600 miles. Never in deep water up to floor boards that's it. Mostly trail riding 800 rzr.
The rear bucking can be fixed by softening the rear spring rate or increasing the sag in the rear. Also adding a shim to the rebound stack in the back shocks to slow rebound. I also swapped the 7 weight oil for 10 weight in the back. It slowed the action down about 5% or so. There's a reason trophy trucks squat in the rear. It's to reduce rear bucking. These are no different.
Good to see you back on here Russell! Well done as always and, another huge thank you sir! I'm thinking about a new rear diff with limited slip since I've got several miles on asphalt and bearing cages are about caput. Turned 1000mi on the old 2020 1000X and looking forward to 10x's that for sure!
On your driveline or propeller shaft on your u joints when you inspect the u-joints just make sure that the c-clip is the opening is facing out to the open air the body of the c clip facing into the yolk so that don't have room to move out
Here are some issues with the Honda air filter which cost 150 bucks every time you buy one. cab is dirty and hot, it’s rough and noisy to go back to air filter to get out it has several screws very time consuming. Not only the drive line but also front axle on right side replaced two of them. Went back to Can Am x 3 DS RR turbo. Owned three so far and put on about 4K before I trade them and have never had an issue. I also run it with 15 inch rims on 32 tires with no clutch work have never been through a belt.
The air filter is $45, and you can go 2,000 miles if you use a particle separator. I’ve never replaced a front axle. The cab is very hot and that’s why many relocate the radiator to the rear. Glad you don’t need belts, it really depends on how they are driven, I’ve seen people go through two belts a day on the racetrack.
The air filter costs $45 not $150. That said if you stay with the stock setup you will be spending a lot on new filters - every 70 - 150 miles depending on how dusty conditions are. I added a particle separator and now only have to change my filter every 2,500 - 3000 miles. I drive on forest Service roads and they are really dusty.
I have been through three driver side front diff seals. My fourth set will be installed this Friday. All have been covered under warranty but it is getting old for a machine that only has 650 miles.
Great video. My Talon has only 600 miles right now. Question about the front drive shaft. It worries me that it might fail out on trails far away from camp. I watched your video on how you replaced it and you say you carry a spare and change in the field if necessary. The video you made on replacing the shaft didn't look to me like it was something that could be done in the field. Have you come up with a easier way to replace. Perhaps you could do another video on how that was done. Thanks.
I need one of these that comes new with all the fixes/upgrades...specifically the ones that resolve design flaws and ones that have huge bang for the $...
Great video. I have a 2020 set up very similarly. Pretty much trail ride. Do you think 35" Motivator RTs are to much tire. Mine are currently 32s been considering 35s
Those drive line snap rings look really short to me, not surprised to hear that they are coming off by looking at them? Maybe you could find a suitable/better aftermarket option than those. I'm assuming they're a standard size?
Surely one can get away with slow driving and maneuvering on concrete or asphalt… like in a driveway/garage scenario right?? I still have the light stock tires and wheels. After I wash my unit I may also take it on a quarter mile zip in the neighborhood just to dry it off. I appreciate the video
Yes, for sure. You just want to minimize time on the asphalt. It just puts a lot of strain on the axles and rear differential when turning right or left because one tire will have to spin on the asphalt. If I have to drive on asphalt, I try to put one tire in the gravel on corners when possible.
Have you played with an after market exhaust with the turbo? I'm looking to get the kit.. I've read it is a no no for tuning but I suspect jackson is being overly cautious. I cant imagine the reduction in air flow on the back side vs the "restriction" on your setup on the intake side. What are your thoughts?
You can definitely run an aftermarket exhaust, I’ve ran an EVO for thousands of miles. I highly recommend installing an afr gauge with the turbo kit. I have a separate install video on the afr gauge.
These are the ones I use. I did slightly modify them. I switched the base and mirrors from drivers side to passenger side. I can only see the passenger side mirror if I lean over. kemimoto UTV Side Mirrors, UTV... www.amazon.com/dp/B08C78R48L?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
I see you used the rear solid window and then purchased a spare tire carrier to mount the S&B. I just sold my RZR4 and am getting my new talon 1000x 4 in a couple weeks. What brand of spare tire carrier did you use to mount the S&B Particle Separator on? Thanks, appreciated your review as the Talon is new to me and I need to put on the best accessories for my use.
I used this tire mount, but cut it in the middle and added a 7” piece of pipe to make it wide, so it sits higher and I can see out the back window. Thanks for watching www.utvdirect.com/honda-talon-1000-dual-clamp-spare-tire-mount/?sku=HTDCSTM&gclid=CjwKCAiA8bqOBhANEiwA-sIlN59c6rywdz34B08BPe79PGPVVA3LkYHjB2fGm-RWWqFT_uFg42HJUxoCDTUQAvD_BwE
Yamaha brought the dct to sxs first. Off road in the hills the cvt is way better because you can stay in peak power without killing a clutch the clutch. It seems clear you ride in dry flat areas where you can use some speed. We welcome you to join us in the wet hills in KY and TN
Wow, what a great review on a talon spoke nothing, but facts, minor issues that you could encounter still a great machine no money spend on belts jst like a Yamaha YXZ 1000r Transmission very similar your the man you should check out the YXZ and compare transmission see the whats different
Planning on purchasing a sxs looking into a talon, but my only concern is the shifting issue the rancher, rubicon, Pioneer have. Does the talon have similar issues.
The pioneer and talon are almost the same. In 21,000 miles I’ve had shifting issues twice. I would say the overwhelming majority of talons don’t have problems but a few do.
I have been hearing about the subtransmissions are given the talons a ton of trouble Any input would be much appreciand thoughts on which years to avoid
Last stat I saw, only about 3% of the talons have sub trans issues (mostly driver error) and that’s typically caused by the shift gate not being properly adjusted and the gear not properly selected before trying to take off. You just have to make sure the gear is shown on the speedometer before taking off. There will be a dash on the speedometer instead of a H, L or R if it’s not properly in gear.
@@gravesru yeah I know alot about them sense I helped my dad do his break in period on his 1000x while he had to work and its still my favorite vehicle I have ever driven
Awesome review! Just the information I was looking for. I am looking to buy my first side by side and I refuse to buy a CVT. I like your comment when the racers switch from a gear transmission to a CVT.
good video. nice hearing an honest review. as far as greasing sealed wheal bearings. its a must in some riding scenarios. they come sealed but not waterproof. if you ride in 2 or 3 ft of water alot you should probly repack every once in a while. while im glad your clutch is holding up the power loss percentages you give were provin wrong before the talon was invented. all the machines are at about 20 percent power loss with the main factor being rotating mass.you take a bone stock 1000xp and a bone stock talon which are within 3 or 4 percent hp 90 lbs and the xp has taller heavier tires they run neck and neck with the rzr usually pulling the talon out of the hole and the talon gaining back on the big end. i would guess this has to do with the cvt allowing the rzr to flash(not slip) to peak power out of the hole better and the talon spinning lighter tires.now some showed the tallon being 1 or 2 percent better at first however that was with the factory shorter lighter tires. is there a difference in power loss? sure. mayby 1 or 2 percent however it has little or nothing to do with the respective clutch setups and more to do with drive train beaf and tire weight and size.another thing i would definately watch on the talon is the design on the air box cover. it being after the clean element can allow unfiltered dust by. make sure that lid seals. most brands use the lid as a first line of defense with the filter going inbetween it and the intake.
the dyno results I'm referring to are bolted onto the hub, so it takes out tire variances. Roller dyno's aren't that accurate and little things can really change the results, like tire size/weight etc.
@@gravesrua hub dyno is used to keep tire slippage under control. while it would take tire size out of the equation and the rotating mass of said tire out of the equation it is not any more accurate than a tire dyno Apple's to apples. first i have never even heard of a side by side on a hub dyno because tire slippage is not an issue. but ok. anyone that knows anything about dynos knows that a 1 to 1 ratio(high gear) is ideal for best results. this is easy to do with a gear selector . not so much with a cvt. that would be a better argument on the dyno situation. bottom line. at the low power range these things make (105ish crank)and your opinion that the talon is over 10 percent more efficient at using said performance there would be a fairly large difference in performance. simply drag race them in stock setup and a 1000 xp will win almost evertime if traction is good. i suggest this is because of the 90 lbs of weight advantage the xp 1000 has. basically power loss is equal. clutches and drive belts dont really use or waste power unless they are slipping. 99 percent of power loss is rotating mass that they both have litterally the same components driveshafts,wheels,ujoints,gears, differentials,ect.cvt clutches are not disliked or unused because of efficiency. they are disliked because they dont hold up to high horse power, heavy vehicals which side by sides are not. in fact a cvt will flash rpms immediately to the most powerful range of the engine and stay there making them verry efficient. basically a stall. im open to opinions but.....science and stuff. honda makes a good unit . but it takes lots of upgrades to make them underperform against a less expensive canam turbo or polaris turbo. all of these comparisons were made over 5 years ago when the yxz came out with its manual gearbox. it boasted more hp than the other na machines yet did not out perform. i get it. love what you got and thats great. as far as super side by sides go honda made a machine comparible to machines that came out 6 years prior that costs more than late model turbos. add on the suspension abomination and you have a Japanese company that came out late in the sport side by side market swinging for a base hit.is your machine good . yes. is it better than a cheaper turbo canam or polaris. no. does it compare to a much cheaper na rzr or maverick ?yes in power. not in suspension and 4x4 setup. all things can be modified to be better.
@Go away its not magic. the dyno is bolted to the hubs instead of the tires. none are real accurate. they all differ. flywheel hp is more than hub hp which is more than wheel hp.
Axle comment ‘do not drive the Talon on pavement’ - how is it that a company like Honda cannot sort out a dif to solve for high grip environments (pavement or hard pack)
@@gravesru I get that there is just so many areas now in (New England) where I am located that in order to navigate from one trail to the next etc it requires a pavement ride. It’s great for us because it’s opened up so many more trail options, but surprised to see this as the cause of axle issues
@@shawnhawthorne35 if you take it slow and don’t accelerate when cornering, it shouldn’t be a problem. I put the outside wheels in the dirt when going around an asphalt corner as well
@@gravesru thanks man, and great video, I hadn’t finished watching when I asked the first question. Have been a Honda guy for a long time and recently bought an Outlander, the stock Honda quads simply don’t measure up anymore. But still love the Talon. It’s wishful thinking but the Honda stock is so disappointing to me, they need an XR model or something where the factory can really build a beast. My point is this review could easily have been titled Honda Talon review - 10,000 miles and $10,000 in add on’s. Your machine is awesome.
The CVT cars were arguably too fast. Not because the cars or the drivers could not sustain the pace, but because they were able to seriously upset the competition's ability to compete without them. For this reason, to preserve competitive balance, Formula 1's governing body decided to ban the use of CVTs.
@@gravesru I got one of those wheel bearing grease tools but I'm thinking about holding off on using its if not completely necessary. Thoughts? Not sure how well greased the bearings come from the factory.
@@DontComeToMyHouse I have 10k miles, never greased them and they’re all still good! Maybe if you’re swamp riding all day in Florida, you might need to grease them!
Great video thanks i question your experience with other sxs brands that is a lot of money sitting in front of you and it's still slower and rides worse than a machine someone ca pick up for 17 g and if you put the money you spend on your turbo into it you have a very fast bullet proof machine that rides amazing.
You must be referring to the ride of a stock talon, mine rides exceptionally smooth now. Honda reliability is unmatched, I had 2 ujoints in 10,000 miles, there isn’t another sxs out there that will hold that good with how I have driven my talon. I have worked on every make, I’d i wouldn’t buy anything with a CVT.
Great question that's what I was wondering as well? Seems like if you're going to be putting alot of hard Miles on the machine you will need to upgrade several parts.
@@RippleBoobs they made a couple changes in 2023. They shortened the wheelbase on the R models, so the front A arms are different. They also changed the grill and moved the speedometer to the steering column. Powertrain is the same.
ok thx i am in canada and the R is not available so sound good they did not change anything big and i was looking for the yamaha 2016 yzx whit manual trany but it look very brutal compare to a talon @@gravesru
Why would you want the rear to be as wide as the front? There is good reason why the rear should be narrower. By moving the rear tires out. You are hurting how the vehicle turns and tracks through obstacles. Also moving the mass outward effects the leverage on your rear suspension components. In other wards, Honda knew what they were doing. Lol.
As always, I appreciate your honesty. I have 2600 miles on my X4 Fox Live Valve and loving it. Thanks again for the time you put into these videos to benefit others.
Thanks for watching!!
Very good review my friend. Honda is where it’s at. Owned many Honda quads and never had any issues. Had a few Polaris and can am sxs and they are junk. Never again
Thanks for watching
The best video about Talon mods on RUclips. Thanks Russel!
Thank you!! I really appreciate it!!
Very informative video. Thank you. I was considering a Yamaha YXZ1000 and now am considering a Honda Talon again.
I’d take a talon over a yxz any day of the week. But I do love my Pro R.
Great review or update video! I’ve been waiting for a new video from you for awhile! I have a 2020 but I’ve only got about 700 miles on mine! I don’t leave my property very often but I like putting all of the goodies on anyway because I’ll probably keep this machine until I’m dead or it is! Take care 👍👍
I actually build these at the plant in sc good to see ppl enjoying them they are dopeeee
Thanks for watching
I strongly agree with you about the direct drive and not having a CVT...nice video.
I hope you’re doing well!!
@@gravesru I am buddy...thx.
The DCT is why I bought my Talon, that and it's a Honda and I trust them. I knew going in that other machines are better at many things, but the Talon is very good over all. Much like my CBR1100XX.
Nothing like a BLACKBIRD.
Honda makes a superior vehicle. No other manufacturer comes close People claim their Canam or polaris or yamaha wil go faster. but not if u consider they wont last five years whereas the honda will last 20 for sure (easily) and probably 30-40 years
Very Informative as usual,it just helped me figure out the clicking noise I've started hearing when I'm going slow and turning right.Mine is a 2020 R with 1400 miles,only issue so far, had a ground strap come loose at 1300 miles ,diagnostic port read no ecu,so I freaked and took it to dealer, who fixed rather quickly under extended warranty. Glad to see fresh videos from ya.
Thanks for watching!
I have the same issue with the clicking. Very informative
@@gravesru would new axles cure this axle clicking noise?
@@ronniebowling6192 typically you just have to replace the one part I showed in the video. So half of the axle.
After reading about the short air filter life I decided to put a filter minder on mine, like what's used on industrial vehicles/equipment. 2,000 miles later it still hasn't moved. I think people are seeing dirt on the filter and assuming that it's plugged up when it really isn't.
You’re right, I think most filters get changed prematurely. But if the fresh air was coming from a different location, like the pioneer 1000, it wouldn’t be a problem.
Awesome video. 3,000 rough miles on my x4 live valve. Not one issue yet. I still need to have shock therapy go through my shocks. After riding in yours it's a no brain'r to have them work over the shocks.
Hey!! Good hearing from you!! I live in Missoula Mt now, you’ll have to visit sometime and do some riding!
Rzr would not make it to 10k miles. Maybe 3k miles.
Not knocking the Talon at all but I got over 3,000 miles out of my 1rst belt on my rzr 800 trail. The machine is still like new and runs great....however my next machine will be a Honda for sure
Tons of people enjoy their Polaris machines. There’s pros and cons to every machine. Honda is very reliable. Pioneer 1000’s with over 50,000 miles on them.
I’ve got 7k on my rzr turbo. I abuse the shit out of it and it’s still running.....
Belts, clutch, bearings and bushings rarely last 5k miles.
Truth mine has had front differential rear differential and transmission rebuilt in 2600 miles. Never in deep water up to floor boards that's it. Mostly trail riding 800 rzr.
10k miles?! That's amazing! Great video! Looking forward to more!
Thanks for watching!
The rear bucking can be fixed by softening the rear spring rate or increasing the sag in the rear. Also adding a shim to the rebound stack in the back shocks to slow rebound. I also swapped the 7 weight oil for 10 weight in the back. It slowed the action down about 5% or so. There's a reason trophy trucks squat in the rear. It's to reduce rear bucking. These are no different.
Talons have poor suspension geometry. Especially in the rear. That’s it’s main issue.
Thank you for all that info. Great review on the talon issues
Glad the Talon is still working out for you man.
Good to see you back on here Russell! Well done as always and, another huge thank you sir! I'm thinking about a new rear diff with limited slip since I've got several miles on asphalt and bearing cages are about caput. Turned 1000mi on the old 2020 1000X and looking forward to 10x's that for sure!
Thank you! I really appreciate it and good hearing from you!
On your driveline or propeller shaft on your u joints when you inspect the u-joints just make sure that the c-clip is the opening is facing out to the open air the body of the c clip facing into the yolk so that don't have room to move out
Here are some issues with the Honda air filter which cost 150 bucks every time you buy one. cab is dirty and hot, it’s rough and noisy to go back to air filter to get out it has several screws very time consuming. Not only the drive line but also front axle on right side replaced two of them. Went back to Can Am x 3 DS RR turbo. Owned three so far and put on about 4K before I trade them and have never had an issue. I also run it with 15 inch rims on 32 tires with no clutch work have never been through a belt.
The air filter is $45, and you can go 2,000 miles if you use a particle separator. I’ve never replaced a front axle. The cab is very hot and that’s why many relocate the radiator to the rear. Glad you don’t need belts, it really depends on how they are driven, I’ve seen people go through two belts a day on the racetrack.
The air filter costs $45 not $150. That said if you stay with the stock setup you will be spending a lot on new filters - every 70 - 150 miles depending on how dusty conditions are.
I added a particle separator and now only have to change my filter every 2,500 - 3000 miles. I drive on forest Service roads and they are really dusty.
I have been through three driver side front diff seals. My fourth set will be installed this Friday. All have been covered under warranty but it is getting old for a machine that only has 650 miles.
Have you tried driving a couple thousands miles and see if it stops?
@@gravesru No I have not. I only have 650 miles on the machine. I assume you just top it off and keep rolling?
@@RJR-9603 every leak I have seen is so minimal you don’t even have to top it off.
Thank you for the review. Great advice, tips and pertinent information.
Was wondering where you was,glad to see ya back
Thanks! I’ll make a turbo review video next
Good video and overview. I'm a Pioneer owner but looking to get a Talon just to get all jiggy with it.
Great video. My Talon has only 600 miles right now. Question about the front drive shaft. It worries me that it might fail out on trails far away from camp. I watched your video on how you replaced it and you say you carry a spare and change in the field if necessary. The video you made on replacing the shaft didn't look to me like it was something that could be done in the field. Have you come up with a easier way to replace. Perhaps you could do another video on how that was done. Thanks.
I wouldn’t replace it on the trail. I’d do in my cargo trailer though. You can drive it slowly if it fails, like back to the trailer.
I need one of these that comes new with all the fixes/upgrades...specifically the ones that resolve design flaws and ones that have huge bang for the $...
I wish Honda came out with a factory turbo!
Great Review! Like the crushing head fingers...lol tire size explanation (:
Thanks for watching!
Excellent presentation with some very valuable tips. Thanks so much.
Great video. I have a 2020 set up very similarly. Pretty much trail ride. Do you think 35" Motivator RTs are to much tire. Mine are currently 32s been considering 35s
I haven’t tried 35’s, but my only concern would be the clutches. I’ve heard many people do run 35’s though.
35 gear reduction needed IMO
Your the type of person I would hope to buy a used sxs from
Thanks
Those drive line snap rings look really short to me, not surprised to hear that they are coming off by looking at them? Maybe you could find a suitable/better aftermarket option than those. I'm assuming they're a standard size?
A lot of people are welding the cups
I would just change the snap ring with one that goes all around the ujoint caps
It’s covered under warranty for free
Nice update on the talon it will be my next purchase I bought a RZR XP 1000 in 2016 what a money pit
It’s very reliable and thank you for watching!
Read reviews before you drop 20k on it. They do have many issues.
Surely one can get away with slow driving and maneuvering on concrete or asphalt… like in a driveway/garage scenario right?? I still have the light stock tires and wheels. After I wash my unit I may also take it on a quarter mile zip in the neighborhood just to dry it off. I appreciate the video
Yes, for sure. You just want to minimize time on the asphalt. It just puts a lot of strain on the axles and rear differential when turning right or left because one tire will have to spin on the asphalt. If I have to drive on asphalt, I try to put one tire in the gravel on corners when possible.
Great review!thx for taking your time to give your input.I’m at 1500 miles on mine I hope I get 10k plus out of mine
Have you played with an after market exhaust with the turbo? I'm looking to get the kit.. I've read it is a no no for tuning but I suspect jackson is being overly cautious. I cant imagine the reduction in air flow on the back side vs the "restriction" on your setup on the intake side. What are your thoughts?
You can definitely run an aftermarket exhaust, I’ve ran an EVO for thousands of miles. I highly recommend installing an afr gauge with the turbo kit. I have a separate install video on the afr gauge.
What’s the windows called that you have installed on yours? I want ones like that for mine if you can tell me where to get them
I have a Honda from glass windshield, Honda rear window and Honda side windows for the doors. shop.powersports.honda.com/p/fabric-upper-doors?pp=24
My buddy actually did nose dive his talon on a dune. Cage caved in. Definitely is an issue with the suspension!
Almost every utv from the factory nose dives.
Nice job on the video! I have the enclosed windows as well. What outside mirrors are you using? Are you able to see via your passenger side mirror?
These are the ones I use. I did slightly modify them. I switched the base and mirrors from drivers side to passenger side. I can only see the passenger side mirror if I lean over. kemimoto UTV Side Mirrors, UTV... www.amazon.com/dp/B08C78R48L?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Maybe Honda will change the driveline design and put circlips on the outside of the Ujoint cup like it should be.
I agree, but I do have over 7k miles on my current driveline!
Where did you find your roof rack? I can’t find anything for a talon. Yours looks perfect.
Area15 designs. They are available
Great video! Can you tell me whats kind of your side mirror! Tanks in advence!
They are the Honda mirrors and I don’t like them.
I see you used the rear solid window and then purchased a spare tire carrier to mount the S&B. I just sold my RZR4 and am getting my new talon 1000x 4 in a couple weeks. What brand of spare tire carrier did you use to mount the S&B Particle Separator on? Thanks, appreciated your review as the Talon is new to me and I need to put on the best accessories for my use.
I used this tire mount, but cut it in the middle and added a 7” piece of pipe to make it wide, so it sits higher and I can see out the back window. Thanks for watching
www.utvdirect.com/honda-talon-1000-dual-clamp-spare-tire-mount/?sku=HTDCSTM&gclid=CjwKCAiA8bqOBhANEiwA-sIlN59c6rywdz34B08BPe79PGPVVA3LkYHjB2fGm-RWWqFT_uFg42HJUxoCDTUQAvD_BwE
Green wicking lock tight on the retaining clip and when the u joint is wore heat with a heat gun and the locktight melts
Thanks for watching
Yamaha brought the dct to sxs first. Off road in the hills the cvt is way better because you can stay in peak power without killing a clutch the clutch. It seems clear you ride in dry flat areas where you can use some speed. We welcome you to join us in the wet hills in KY and TN
I’d love to ride out there. I thought the Honda pioneer came out with the dct before the YXZ
Ok ty.! Do you know whats the best option? I have winshield and upper doors to! Tank you sir.!
Canam has mirrors that mount to the door, below the window. That’s the next option I’ve seen for upper door panels on the Honda.
Can u talk more about clutch weights how that works I recently bought 30” ties is it a necessary if not I’d still like to know more
Clutch weights are for CVT’s, the talon has a real transmission. No adjustments needed
@@gravesru I thought in your video u said clutch weights lol it was late when I watched your video probably read it wrong lol thank u
Wow, what a great review on a talon spoke nothing, but facts, minor issues that you could encounter still a great machine no money spend on belts jst like a Yamaha YXZ 1000r Transmission very similar your the man you should check out the YXZ and compare transmission see the whats different
Thank you for watching!
Noticed the rear hitch. Would that be stable enough to push a 3k lb RV up a 3% sloped driveway? ~ 400lbs Tonge weight.
Not sure, I think that would be pushing it!
Planning on purchasing a sxs looking into a talon, but my only concern is the shifting issue the rancher, rubicon, Pioneer have. Does the talon have similar issues.
The pioneer and talon are almost the same. In 21,000 miles I’ve had shifting issues twice. I would say the overwhelming majority of talons don’t have problems but a few do.
What rear lower radius rods are you running? Happy with them?
I have the L & W on the rear!
I have been hearing about the subtransmissions are given the talons a ton of trouble
Any input would be much appreciand thoughts on which years to avoid
Last stat I saw, only about 3% of the talons have sub trans issues (mostly driver error) and that’s typically caused by the shift gate not being properly adjusted and the gear not properly selected before trying to take off. You just have to make sure the gear is shown on the speedometer before taking off. There will be a dash on the speedometer instead of a H, L or R if it’s not properly in gear.
You completely talked me out of a new xp1k premium bro 😂😂😂 I'm definitely getting a live valve 1000x
Good to hear. The Talon is a very reliable sxs.
@@gravesru yeah I know alot about them sense I helped my dad do his break in period on his 1000x while he had to work and its still my favorite vehicle I have ever driven
Thanks for the review. I have the same model. Where did you get the roof rack? I cant find em
I got it from area15 designs. I think they have a newer model now
Hey Russell. Too late i already bought one haha. Loving it so far. Thanks bud from wasaga beach ontario
btw i work for honda i get parts cheap haha. maybe ill carry some spare axles
Where did you get the rear mount for your spare tire? I have been looking but have not been able to find one. Thanks.
Here’s a video on my tailgate/spare tire.
ruclips.net/video/6RAh3Z56MVo/видео.html
@@gravesru I built the same one, thanks
How are you running an EVO exhaust with the Jackson kit? They say it is not possible... Tuning?
It is possible and many do it. No changes needed, just install it. I have over 6k miles with the EVO on. No issues.
Awesome review! Just the information I was looking for. I am looking to buy my first side by side and I refuse to buy a CVT. I like your comment when the racers switch from a gear transmission to a CVT.
Thank you for watching!
good video. nice hearing an honest review. as far as greasing sealed wheal bearings. its a must in some riding scenarios. they come sealed but not waterproof. if you ride in 2 or 3 ft of water alot you should probly repack every once in a while. while im glad your clutch is holding up the power loss percentages you give were provin wrong before the talon was invented. all the machines are at about 20 percent power loss with the main factor being rotating mass.you take a bone stock 1000xp and a bone stock talon which are within 3 or 4 percent hp 90 lbs and the xp has taller heavier tires they run neck and neck with the rzr usually pulling the talon out of the hole and the talon gaining back on the big end. i would guess this has to do with the cvt allowing the rzr to flash(not slip) to peak power out of the hole better and the talon spinning lighter tires.now some showed the tallon being 1 or 2 percent better at first however that was with the factory shorter lighter tires. is there a difference in power loss? sure. mayby 1 or 2 percent however it has little or nothing to do with the respective clutch setups and more to do with drive train beaf and tire weight and size.another thing i would definately watch on the talon is the design on the air box cover. it being after the clean element can allow unfiltered dust by. make sure that lid seals. most brands use the lid as a first line of defense with the filter going inbetween it and the intake.
the dyno results I'm referring to are bolted onto the hub, so it takes out tire variances. Roller dyno's aren't that accurate and little things can really change the results, like tire size/weight etc.
@@gravesrua hub dyno is used to keep tire slippage under control. while it would take tire size out of the equation and the rotating mass of said tire out of the equation it is not any more accurate than a tire dyno Apple's to apples. first i have never even heard of a side by side on a hub dyno because tire slippage is not an issue. but ok. anyone that knows anything about dynos knows that a 1 to 1 ratio(high gear) is ideal for best results. this is easy to do with a gear selector . not so much with a cvt. that would be a better argument on the dyno situation. bottom line. at the low power range these things make (105ish crank)and your opinion that the talon is over 10 percent more efficient at using said performance there would be a fairly large difference in performance. simply drag race them in stock setup and a 1000 xp will win almost evertime if traction is good. i suggest this is because of the 90 lbs of weight advantage the xp 1000 has. basically power loss is equal. clutches and drive belts dont really use or waste power unless they are slipping. 99 percent of power loss is rotating mass that they both have litterally the same components driveshafts,wheels,ujoints,gears, differentials,ect.cvt clutches are not disliked or unused because of efficiency. they are disliked because they dont hold up to high horse power, heavy vehicals which side by sides are not. in fact a cvt will flash rpms immediately to the most powerful range of the engine and stay there making them verry efficient. basically a stall. im open to opinions but.....science and stuff. honda makes a good unit . but it takes lots of upgrades to make them underperform against a less expensive canam turbo or polaris turbo. all of these comparisons were made over 5 years ago when the yxz came out with its manual gearbox. it boasted more hp than the other na machines yet did not out perform. i get it. love what you got and thats great. as far as super side by sides go honda made a machine comparible to machines that came out 6 years prior that costs more than late model turbos. add on the suspension abomination and you have a Japanese company that came out late in the sport side by side market swinging for a base hit.is your machine good . yes. is it better than a cheaper turbo canam or polaris. no. does it compare to a much cheaper na rzr or maverick ?yes in power. not in suspension and 4x4 setup. all things can be modified to be better.
@@gravesru also someone has abypass for that hp robbing brake engaging front diff i hear works good for the talon.
@Go away its not magic. the dyno is bolted to the hubs instead of the tires. none are real accurate. they all differ. flywheel hp is more than hub hp which is more than wheel hp.
Great review and advice! Thank you!
Thanks for watching
My YXZ has 15k miles and about 12k of it on asphalt, no issues.
Holding up very well!
Hi ! Awesome machine , where did you get the roof basket from ?
Thanks, it’s from area15 designs!
@@gravesru thanks ! I like your videos ! Made me 100% to go for a talon
@@YzraTV thanks for watching!
I watched this when the video was new. Do you still have the 2019? How many miles are you up too now?
I sold it when it had about 11,000 miles on it. I now have 10,000 miles on my 1000r-4!
Do you think axle and driveline issues might be some way related to 32" tires?
Absolutely not. I had driveline issues with 28’s on.
The oil should be changed once a year or every 1200 miles.
Erin Early has driveshaft fix
And they are super top heavy and tip over in a light breeze.
I’m 74” wide, it does not tip over easy at all
Awesome video man.
Thanks for watching!
Well done segment, learned alot!
Thank you for watching!!!
How many hours in East Tennessee you may go only twenty or thirty miles in a eight hour or ten hours thanks
Thanks for watching
How’s the price compared to the competition like rzr 1000xp or turbo
Not sure, don’t really keep up on their pricing.
They banned CVTs in formula One because it worked way too good. I think around 93 they banned them.
Axle comment ‘do not drive the Talon on pavement’ - how is it that a company like Honda cannot sort out a dif to solve for high grip environments (pavement or hard pack)
It’s a sport sxs, it’s not meant for asphalt. The Honda pioneer has turf mode so asphalt isn’t a problem.
@@gravesru I get that there is just so many areas now in (New England) where I am located that in order to navigate from one trail to the next etc it requires a pavement ride. It’s great for us because it’s opened up so many more trail options, but surprised to see this as the cause of axle issues
@@shawnhawthorne35 if you take it slow and don’t accelerate when cornering, it shouldn’t be a problem. I put the outside wheels in the dirt when going around an asphalt corner as well
@@gravesru thanks man, and great video, I hadn’t finished watching when I asked the first question. Have been a Honda guy for a long time and recently bought an Outlander, the stock Honda quads simply don’t measure up anymore. But still love the Talon. It’s wishful thinking but the Honda stock is so disappointing to me, they need an XR model or something where the factory can really build a beast. My point is this review could easily have been titled Honda Talon review - 10,000 miles and $10,000 in add on’s. Your machine is awesome.
@@shawnhawthorne35 thank you & I wish there was a 200hp Talon factory option.
man. that left tire is pointing way left and the starboard tire is pointing straight!
these long term ownership videos convinced me to get a talon is their any mods you think are necessary before I hit the trails for the first time
Shock therapy springs are a nice addition if you want a smoother ride. Heated seats for $40 is the cheapest upgrade.
@@gravesruI wanna do skid plates and front A arm guards I also live in the coal region of Pennsylvania that particle separator would do wonders
@@d812gaming9 for sure, it definitely depends on how and where you ride. I have over $30k in just accessories
@@gravesru did you have to get transmission tuning to run 32’s
@@d812gaming9 you don’t have to, but the turbo kit comes with a flashing tool to remap the transmission for different sized tires
Where did you get your spare tire /receiver hitch unit? Thanks!
The rear bumper and tailgate are from HMF. Here’s how I made it. ruclips.net/video/6RAh3Z56MVo/видео.html
Your video here on the Talon is top notch! Thank you bro!! Now, you need to let us see you drive this bitch like ya stole kt!!!
Doesn't the Talon have turf mode? If so then driving on pavement should be no problem whatsoever.
No, it doesn’t. It has a rear Posi differential.
The CVT cars were arguably too fast. Not because the cars or the drivers could not sustain the pace, but because they were able to seriously upset the competition's ability to compete without them. For this reason, to preserve competitive balance, Formula 1's governing body decided to ban the use of CVTs.
CVT transmissions offer the most lackluster/monotonous driving experience.
Did your drive shaft rattle before it went out?
No, nothing abnormal. Once the cup fell out, then 5mph was max speed.
Thank you.
@@gravesru Erin Earlly has the driveshaft fix
@@wvgurl7Erin Early driveshaft fix
Have you had any issues with wheel bearings
I replaced one at 500 miles because of an accident, so all 4 wheel bearings have about 10k miles on them and they’re still good
@@gravesru I got one of those wheel bearing grease tools but I'm thinking about holding off on using its if not completely necessary. Thoughts? Not sure how well greased the bearings come from the factory.
@@DontComeToMyHouse I have 10k miles, never greased them and they’re all still good! Maybe if you’re swamp riding all day in Florida, you might need to grease them!
Great video thanks i question your experience with other sxs brands that is a lot of money sitting in front of you and it's still slower and rides worse than a machine someone ca pick up for 17 g and if you put the money you spend on your turbo into it you have a very fast bullet proof machine that rides amazing.
You must be referring to the ride of a stock talon, mine rides exceptionally smooth now. Honda reliability is unmatched, I had 2 ujoints in 10,000 miles, there isn’t another sxs out there that will hold that good with how I have driven my talon. I have worked on every make, I’d i wouldn’t buy anything with a CVT.
@@gravesru sorry I'm not sold it doesn't even have 4 wheel drive. To much money to get it to the point you have
@@Kawarthametalsigns I don’t work for Honda and I’m trying to sell anything to anyone. Thanks for watching though.
@@Kawarthametalsigns Doesn't have 4wd? 🤣 Please tell me you mean it doesn't have a locker.
Please show us evidence of any xp1000 that has made it to 10,000 miles. If you find one please include what maintenance and repairs have been done.
Good info, thank you
Thank you for watching
Good to see you.
We need to meet up in Oregon Sometime!!
Good looking rig
awesome video
thanks
Thank you
What tire carrier is that?
HMF and I modified it a little bit.
ruclips.net/video/6RAh3Z56MVo/видео.html
Preciate the video bro
Thanks for watching
After market parts available ???
Great question that's what I was wondering as well? Seems like if you're going to be putting alot of hard Miles on the machine you will need to upgrade several parts.
This thing has tons of aftermarket parts. Dumb question
Slowly getting a larger selection
What bumpers and sliders?
They are from HMF
@@gravesru thank you! Really like what you’ve done with it. Mine gets here next week.
@@corybibby4884 thank you!
do you have any towing capability
I towed a trailer that was about 1000lbs for 1500 miles.
cool thx any change over years or all of them are the same from the start to 2024?@@gravesru
@@RippleBoobs they made a couple changes in 2023. They shortened the wheelbase on the R models, so the front A arms are different. They also changed the grill and moved the speedometer to the steering column. Powertrain is the same.
ok thx i am in canada and the R is not available so sound good they did not change anything big and i was looking for the yamaha 2016 yzx whit manual trany but it look very brutal compare to a talon @@gravesru
Why would you want the rear to be as wide as the front? There is good reason why the rear should be narrower. By moving the rear tires out. You are hurting how the vehicle turns and tracks through obstacles. Also moving the mass outward effects the leverage on your rear suspension components. In other wards, Honda knew what they were doing. Lol.
The front and rear are the same width from the factory. The factory wheels also have the same offsets, so I have no idea what you’re talking about.
GREAT VIDEO BROTHER
Great content👍👍
I keep hoping to ride with you soon!!
@@gravesru that would be awesome! We are here in Yuma AZ until May 1, come ride the dunes with me?
@@gotalon I’d love to come down, but not sure I’ll make though. Maybe next winter!!
@@gravesru ok, we will be here👍
🏆🏆🏆👍🙏
Thank you for sharing
I hope you’re doing well!!
Awesome
The sweatshirt 🔥. Good boy
#goducks
Haha! I have a few of those sweatshirts and they’re my favorites!
It stopped leaking because it is empty
Nope. It just barely seeps oil. And it seeps oil because the oil is above the seal
lol is not open diff rear?
Posi rear differential.
cool ty
Thanks for watching!
Full circle clips
That would be nice
So it’s a money pit?
Just depends on how much money you want to spend! Most reliable sport sxs on the market though.
Most side by sides are money pits.
Hmm I wonder who inspired you to get off the couch and film this? LOL
Haha! It was a long & depressing winter. My new steering rack, tie rods & double sheer brackets are arriving today!
@@gravesru Nice get back to work. I would like a steering box as well but what I actually need is more powerful power steering.
@@BPJeep I’ll make some more to help your day at work go by faster!!! Lol