Take a look at the top Tactical and Competition shooters in the world; all bladed. It allows us to quickly move forward or laterally. I had a funny dust-up with a famous shooting academy. They explained why they square during the use of the carbine - to keep the plates toward the threat - yet with the pistol they shoot the Weaver Stance. For some reason I really got a kick out of that. At VTAC we use stances that allow accuracy, speed, and mobility, with both weapons. Hope this helps. Kyle
Good drill, I especially liked how you emphasized knowing your weapon & how the way it feels changes when the number of rounds in the magazine is getting low.
RRF Not many issue with putting the hand on the front of the magazine other than if you cover the ejection port with your finger tips or thumb if you are left handed. It also does not you allow to move the weapon as quickly. Hope this helps. Kyle
This is good to hear. I find the squared-off isosceles stance awkward (not to mention the squared off 'groucho walking'), but it seems this is what most tactical schools seem content to teach. Glad to hear a dissenting opinion from someone who knows their stuff.
Thanks for the comment! 1. I try to use a scoring system that is quick/easy to calculate and stresses a combo of accuracy and speed. IMG doesn't stress accuracy enough and Comstock is more complicated than we need when we're on the range with students and trying to gather a lot of data quickly from a line of targets. 2. Depending on the video you watch I'm either using a VTAC Rifle from JP or a S&W M&P 15 VTAC. The one with a green tube is the same as on our site for sale, minus the green.
Kwok Not sure what you mean with this question. This is intended to be a shooting drill, so we have not added too many kinks in. He should check his weapon if he has to reload, but if there is an immediate threat he should eliminate it. If this doesnt answer the question please let me know. Kyle
@dogabutila I recommend using the AK with only 6 rounds, shoot it dry so the bolt goes forward, you get a click, reload, rack a round in the chamber and finish. Hope this makes sense. Kyle
@Seal420123 I use 55 grain ball or 62 grain ball. When I shoot steel I use frangible unless I am more than 50 yards away then I use ball as well. Also check out ASYM ammo, from Legacy Custom, Stan Chen, they make great practice ammo as well as a Barnes X bullet load for duty.
i've done a variation of this drill for years where the targets are set at different distances from the shooter and you turn and engage the closest target first, ending on the farthest. sometimes i'll stick the first target very close so you have to engage from the hip, or ill make them farther apart so your transitions are farther, etc. when your training for practical use make sure you're training for the worst possibility, like using dummy rounds at random in your magazines to simulate a malfunction, and training at night and in poor weather is important too.
Gmoney The advantage is being a little more powerful behind the weapon and controlling muzzle rise a little better. I push my hand freakishly far forward because it just works for me. As long as you're not gripping the front of the mag well, you will be fine. Try pushing it a little and see what you think.
@VikingTactics I know this was posted awhile ago, still felt the need to comment. Fighters often DO stand square. Boxers stand bladed. Boxing isn't the only form of fighting however. Thai boxers and many MMA fighters stand square. And for very specific and important reasons (being able to stop takedowns and kicks to the sides of the legs easier, as well as making it easier to clinch and then trhow or deliver knees). Standing bladed also means a bit slower forward movement.
@SpartanCombativesGrp I was addressing his statement that fighters don't stand square. However, carrying lots of gear doesn't really affect your stance too much, I know I did 10 months as an Infantryman in Iraq. It does affect your ability to do things like kicking, punching, throwing, etc. But you have a weapon so that doesn't really matter. Carrying lots of gear is no more uncomfortable standing square then bladed. And we usually carry around 70-80 not 140 lbs.
@VikingTactics I suppose it's possible I've just gotten so used to it that it feels smoother and faster standing that way, I don't know, I make it work and I can stop kicks easier and takedowns. In any case, true many blade up, but some great ones don't like Baukaw Por Pramuk, a phenomenal thai boxer. Of course the bladed stance has it's advantages. But also disadvantages. Having a leg much farther forward usually gets it kicked to hell or grabbed easily (for instance James Toney).
A couple of questions: 1. I noticed you're using IDPA scoring on an IPSC target. Do you prefer this over USPSA Comstock or IMG scoring? 2. Is that the same JP-15 VTAC that you're selling on your website? Excellent video fellas! Very much looking forward to taking a class with you guys.
I am RH and I have always turned faster to the left. Rather than stepping and rotating on the ball of (either direction) my foot, I found turning the same side foot to the target (More of a half turn) and tucking the muzzle in slightly to my body allowed me to turn faster and find the target sooner. But, then again I am pretty clumsy. Never mastered that whole walk and chew gum thing. Just my 2c
@SpartanCombativesGrp We weren't talking about h2h as it applies to warfare, just fighting in general. That said, if my carbine went down I would be using it as a melee weapon, not going to hands. that's a very bad idea. If they grabbed it, I'd keep at least one hand on, maybe throw an elbow and soem knees till they released and start muzzle thumping them. I've used the square stance currently taught extensively, it works for me. Obviously it's not the only way,. bladed works fine too.
@SilentPerceiver A bit late but... The vast majority of soldiers in most armed forces in the world do not carry siderams. They carry their rifle and that's it. Pistols have traditionally been carried by officers and certain other personell, and by "special" guys of various kinds. During war it has often been fairly common for soldiers to carry captured or otherwise aquired pistols as back up though, especially in the old days when bolt action rifles was the standard armament of most soldiers.
Yes! Thank you! If you can't tell when your firearm runs dry and/or simply locks back then you need to shoot it more. It's a sure sign of the shooters is inexperienced with his platform when he attempts to fire one more shot from an empty gun.
Mr. Lamb, what are your thoughts on the readi mag and magpul bad lever combo? I hope to take one of your classes soon, I don't see any more carbine classes in NC this year though, bummer.
how come he doesn't do a chamber check?? if he has only one weapon system and he has a double feed or a stove pipe it could cause a harder malfunction wouldn't it?
I would try this but AK's don't lock back. Other then counting rounds which isn't practical for real life, what suggestions do you have for this drill?
@scnarb While there are some fighters who stand square, the typical fighter blades his body - or at least that's been my experience & what I've seen from looking thru MMA & Thai fighter stances on the web. Ur much quicker moving fwd w/a bladed stance since weight is already on the forward foot. When it's time to move, simply lift the front foot and u will naturally flow forward. I see it a lot in tng: a dude standing square & flat footed has to play catch up when a stack starts to move. Kyle
@SpartanCombativesGrp True not all thai boxers stand square, especially the dutch who have been influenced by western boxing a lot. but certain forms do (the form I train in for example). now by square I don't mean 100% on line but a small stagger with toes pointed as forward as is comfortable. Easier to check leg kicks. Anyway, bladed can work fien too, I'm not saying it doesn't I just find that a littlem ore squared up stance then what you advocate has advantages.
He was, and not just Special Forces, he was a Delta Operator, served in Mogadishu during the Black Hawk Down incident. At least that's what I got from reading Tactical Operator.
Larry, I will be heading to overseas soon and am wondering what sling you recommend for a fixed butt stock m16?, I cant spend a year with that issued neck burner 3 point that hooks on everything. Thanks.
@SpartanCombativesGrp I used to actually be really into that old school stuff, especially Lee Morrison's "urban combatives." It's all pretty effective stuff. My only complaint is it's a little tough to train those techniques "live" which is important but definitely works technique wise.
@SpartanCombativesGrp I 100$ agree stance goes out the window when shit goes down you really have to be ready to shoot from any sort of position, there's situatiions where I prefer going bladed. It's possible I've just spent so much time trainign to shoot squared up when standing that it seems more comfortable. I'm not a Marine, Army Infantry and that's just what we were taught from day 1. I agree, a bat or something is easier to defend against having done that sort of training.
Kyle, I watched a lot of your videos and you always demonstrate driving the weapon. With your tac light on the lower right side of the weapon, how do you work your grip to activate your light?
I notice in all your vids that you and the other shooter are in a bladed stance with your feet rather than the isosceles body armor thing taught everywhere else. Any particular reasoning for it or just because its more comfortable and youre not wearing body armor?
@VikingTactics By the way, when I say "squared up" I don't mean perfectly square with both feet on line exactly, I mean with a minor stagger and the body nearly all the way square. The Marine corps MCMAP basic warrior stance is basically what I'm talking about as far as feet and body positioning.
Excellent drill, however, as safety aware as everyone seems to be on these videos why would the "instructor/monitor" position himself to be in the path of the barrel at the onset of the drill? Shouldn't he be on the other side of the shooter?
+David Gradolf I would think this would be even better training because the student learn to control their firearm around others. You know, like he will have to do in real life.
It is obvious that these guys are experienced operators and you do try to duplicate real life situations as much as possible when doing drills however there is a safety aspect to doing drills. David is right the instructor should be on the opposite side of the turn and firearm should be made empty and safe before going downrange. These guys have the expertise where safety is second nature but if a novice tried to duplicate exactly what they are doing you may have a situation. One AD in the wrong direction can make a really bad day!!
ALL of your drills are amazing, and very helpful...I just wanted to say thank you for your time spent making these training videos. I will start working on them, and looking forward to improving tremendously. THANK YOU -GY6vids
@joffeloff Actually, we practice what we preach which is the bladed stance with the rifle. Several reasons for this. We want shooters in a Fighter's Stance with the Rifle; fighters dont stand square. Secondly, I hate to rely on the shooting ability of the terrorist to hit my plate, I prefer to take responsibility for the outcome. I want to shoot faster and more accurately than the threat, you will never shoot as fast from a square stance. (continued...)
Eh. I wouldn't really call that shooters stance "Weaver". And he's not exceedingly "bladed" either. That guys frontal armor would be sufficiently squared up to a threat in that stance IMO. He's not in a "side-on" target shooters stance by any means.
I think the range is entirely too close to the rooster farm...think about their poor ears----nevermind chickens don't have ears. Thanks for your service, book and videos.
@SpartanCombativesGrp My experience in h2h is a lot of mma and level one combatives. I'm trying to get level 2, my mma insructor is a level 4 combatives instructor. I did some Krav Maga for a short time, great stuff. I get where you're coming from.
Why wouldn't you put at least a shot on each one before coming back for the 2nd shot? I'm referring to the so-called "tactical order" like IDPA shooters do. I'm not being a smart-ass, I'm looking for alternative reasoning against tactical-order.
In most competitive gun runs, including tac rifle, you are required to put 2 hits on each target. It is faster to finish 2 rounds each target before transitioning. This is not real world combat practice. IPSC requires 2, almost all tac rifle matches do as well (aside from steel or poppers of course).
Trazor IPSC Gotcha' I understood the two shots per (I shoot 3-gun and IDPA). My question was about the order of engagement. I didn't realize that you were using the competition approach instead of the "shoot to save my life" approach.
So this is (and I mean no offense here): a "gamer" drill to get a better competition score? He speaks as if it's a drill for "work/duty" purposes. If it's not a drill for fight training, I get it. Practice for the fastest clock time with the fewest penalties. This seems to be a great drill towards that goal. If it's a drill for fighting, I'm still trying to identify why it's better to put 2, 2, & 2 on equally distanced threats instead of "thanksgiving rules" (everybody gets firsts before anyone gets seconds). Joseph Goins mentions below that it's a drill and not a scenario. OK, that's a difference in what exactly? To me, training your brain to perform a series of steps (if it's making sushi, playing cello or shooting a gun) doesn't differ by calling it a drill or a scenario. Practice, training, drills, scenario... the words may change the layout, but your ability to repeat the shots, it would seem, would do the steps that you most often practiced. Meaning: practice competition shooting and you get competition shooting. Practice bad-guy shooting: and you get bad-guy shooting. The two would seem to be very close (shoot fast/shoot accurate) until you get into sub-second differences and are training for bad guys that shoot back. That seems to be the point that this video sits, without clarification of which type of training it is: Competition or Defensive. Am I wrong here? If so, help me dissect my error(s). PS: I'm sincerely not wanting to be a smart-ass or offend. My tone is often unintentionally "pointy". I'm trying to learn something here.
This drill is primarily loaded with fundamental reinforcement of the basics. The El Prez is a fairly old drill, and in the shooting world is such a common metric that it is like asking what someone deadlifts in the working out world. To your point on prioritization..."Shoot till he is down" is a common way of teaching when you are in any way involved with a team. As part of a team, you are responsible for what is in your sector, collapsing towards your teammate's sector. You are trusting that your teammate is working towards you from his sector, and you meet, then overlap in the middle of the zone. Kyle explains this a bit in the 1-5 drill video, but the bottom line is that other than headshots, folks are rarely incapacitated with a single shot, even from a rifle. It does no one any good to put 1 in a guy, while shooting on the move, and then he ends up out of sector for anyone else as you pass him. I hope that answered the nature of your question.
@SadlyMissing Something to incorporate into it however thats a theme in many of his videos and I beleive he is just doing exactly what the title says...an El Prez with a rifle. I know you from TNP and generally liked your thoughts on combative tactics, however I have to say you came off a bit like an "Armchair Elitist" No problem with your last sentance. Except by "doing" targets you inherently minimize your overall risk of "getting done". 2 down in the time it takes most to SEE one.
The average grunt does NOT carry a sidearm. For example, your 0311 USMC rifleman does not carry a sidearm. A 0331 machinegunner.....the gunner, not the A-gunner or ammoman........will have a sidearm, because he does not carry a rifle...he carries the machinegun. The A-gunner and all ammomen will NOT have a sidearm because the carry rifles.
Take a look at the top Tactical and Competition shooters in the world; all bladed. It allows us to quickly move forward or laterally. I had a funny dust-up with a famous shooting academy. They explained why they square during the use of the carbine - to keep the plates toward the threat - yet with the pistol they shoot the Weaver Stance. For some reason I really got a kick out of that.
At VTAC we use stances that allow accuracy, speed, and mobility, with both weapons.
Hope this helps.
Kyle
Good drill, I especially liked how you emphasized knowing your weapon & how the way it feels changes when the number of rounds in the magazine is getting low.
@VikingTactics Makes good sense. Get used to that automatic reload when the trigger goes click and the bolt went all the way forwards.
Thanks much.
RRF
Not many issue with putting the hand on the front of the magazine other than if you cover the ejection port with your finger tips or thumb if you are left handed.
It also does not you allow to move the weapon as quickly.
Hope this helps.
Kyle
This is good to hear. I find the squared-off isosceles stance awkward (not to mention the squared off 'groucho walking'), but it seems this is what most tactical schools seem content to teach. Glad to hear a dissenting opinion from someone who knows their stuff.
Thanks for the comment!
1. I try to use a scoring system that is quick/easy to calculate and stresses a combo of accuracy and speed. IMG doesn't stress accuracy enough and Comstock is more complicated than we need when we're on the range with students and trying to gather a lot of data quickly from a line of targets.
2. Depending on the video you watch I'm either using a VTAC Rifle from JP or a S&W M&P 15 VTAC. The one with a green tube is the same as on our site for sale, minus the green.
Kwok
Not sure what you mean with this question. This is intended to be a shooting drill, so we have not added too many kinks in.
He should check his weapon if he has to reload, but if there is an immediate threat he should eliminate it.
If this doesnt answer the question please let me know.
Kyle
@dogabutila I recommend using the AK with only 6 rounds, shoot it dry so the bolt goes forward, you get a click, reload, rack a round in the chamber and finish. Hope this makes sense.
Kyle
@Seal420123 I use 55 grain ball or 62 grain ball. When I shoot steel I use frangible unless I am more than 50 yards away then I use ball as well.
Also check out ASYM ammo, from Legacy Custom, Stan Chen, they make great practice ammo as well as a Barnes X bullet load for duty.
i've done a variation of this drill for years where the targets are set at different distances from the shooter and you turn and engage the closest target first, ending on the farthest. sometimes i'll stick the first target very close so you have to engage from the hip, or ill make them farther apart so your transitions are farther, etc. when your training for practical use make sure you're training for the worst possibility, like using dummy rounds at random in your magazines to simulate a malfunction, and training at night and in poor weather is important too.
Gmoney
The advantage is being a little more powerful behind the weapon and controlling muzzle rise a little better. I push my hand freakishly far forward because it just works for me. As long as you're not gripping the front of the mag well, you will be fine. Try pushing it a little and see what you think.
@domsimonv6319 US Motorsports/Camelback, no longer made but there are Mechanix gloves at LOWES that are very similar.
Kyle
@VikingTactics
I know this was posted awhile ago, still felt the need to comment.
Fighters often DO stand square. Boxers stand bladed. Boxing isn't the only form of fighting however. Thai boxers and many MMA fighters stand square. And for very specific and important reasons (being able to stop takedowns and kicks to the sides of the legs easier, as well as making it easier to clinch and then trhow or deliver knees). Standing bladed also means a bit slower forward movement.
@SpartanCombativesGrp
I was addressing his statement that fighters don't stand square. However, carrying lots of gear doesn't really affect your stance too much, I know I did 10 months as an Infantryman in Iraq. It does affect your ability to do things like kicking, punching, throwing, etc. But you have a weapon so that doesn't really matter. Carrying lots of gear is no more uncomfortable standing square then bladed. And we usually carry around 70-80 not 140 lbs.
@VikingTactics
I suppose it's possible I've just gotten so used to it that it feels smoother and faster standing that way, I don't know, I make it work and I can stop kicks easier and takedowns. In any case, true many blade up, but some great ones don't like Baukaw Por Pramuk, a phenomenal thai boxer. Of course the bladed stance has it's advantages. But also disadvantages. Having a leg much farther forward usually gets it kicked to hell or grabbed easily (for instance James Toney).
Marshall
I am not significantly faster, however when I have to make low percentage shots the optic helps.
Kyle
A couple of questions:
1. I noticed you're using IDPA scoring on an IPSC target. Do you prefer this over USPSA Comstock or IMG scoring?
2. Is that the same JP-15 VTAC that you're selling on your website?
Excellent video fellas! Very much looking forward to taking a class with you guys.
I am RH and I have always turned faster to the left. Rather than stepping and rotating on the ball of (either direction) my foot, I found turning the same side foot to the target (More of a half turn) and tucking the muzzle in slightly to my body allowed me to turn faster and find the target sooner. But, then again I am pretty clumsy. Never mastered that whole walk and chew gum thing. Just my 2c
@SpartanCombativesGrp
We weren't talking about h2h as it applies to warfare, just fighting in general. That said, if my carbine went down I would be using it as a melee weapon, not going to hands. that's a very bad idea. If they grabbed it, I'd keep at least one hand on, maybe throw an elbow and soem knees till they released and start muzzle thumping them. I've used the square stance currently taught extensively, it works for me. Obviously it's not the only way,. bladed works fine too.
It's refreshing to see an instructor who doesn't buy into the whole spoon fed squared stance magpul bullshit. Good videos.
@SilentPerceiver A bit late but... The vast majority of soldiers in most armed forces in the world do not carry siderams. They carry their rifle and that's it. Pistols have traditionally been carried by officers and certain other personell, and by "special" guys of various kinds. During war it has often been fairly common for soldiers to carry captured or otherwise aquired pistols as back up though, especially in the old days when bolt action rifles was the standard armament of most soldiers.
Yes! Thank you! If you can't tell when your firearm runs dry and/or simply locks back then you need to shoot it more. It's a sure sign of the shooters is inexperienced with his platform when he attempts to fire one more shot from an empty gun.
Mr. Lamb, what are your thoughts on the readi mag and magpul bad lever combo? I hope to take one of your classes soon, I don't see any more carbine classes in NC this year though, bummer.
how come he doesn't do a chamber check?? if he has only one weapon system and he has a double feed or a stove pipe it could cause a harder malfunction wouldn't it?
I would try this but AK's don't lock back. Other then counting rounds which isn't practical for real life, what suggestions do you have for this drill?
Solid instruction from the best, wish I could take a course or two!
@VikingTactics ok makes sense thanks kyle i will make sure to practice this.
@scnarb While there are some fighters who stand square, the typical fighter blades his body - or at least that's been my experience & what I've seen from looking thru MMA & Thai fighter stances on the web. Ur much quicker moving fwd w/a bladed stance since weight is already on the forward foot. When it's time to move, simply lift the front foot and u will naturally flow forward. I see it a lot in tng: a dude standing square & flat footed has to play catch up when a stack starts to move.
Kyle
@SpartanCombativesGrp
True not all thai boxers stand square, especially the dutch who have been influenced by western boxing a lot. but certain forms do (the form I train in for example). now by square I don't mean 100% on line but a small stagger with toes pointed as forward as is comfortable. Easier to check leg kicks. Anyway, bladed can work fien too, I'm not saying it doesn't I just find that a littlem ore squared up stance then what you advocate has advantages.
He was, and not just Special Forces, he was a Delta Operator, served in Mogadishu during the Black Hawk Down incident. At least that's what I got from reading Tactical Operator.
Larry,
I will be heading to overseas soon and am wondering what sling you recommend for a fixed butt stock m16?, I cant spend a year with that issued neck burner 3 point that hooks on everything. Thanks.
@SpartanCombativesGrp
I used to actually be really into that old school stuff, especially Lee Morrison's "urban combatives." It's all pretty effective stuff. My only complaint is it's a little tough to train those techniques "live" which is important but definitely works technique wise.
@SpartanCombativesGrp
I 100$ agree stance goes out the window when shit goes down you really have to be ready to shoot from any sort of position, there's situatiions where I prefer going bladed. It's possible I've just spent so much time trainign to shoot squared up when standing that it seems more comfortable. I'm not a Marine, Army Infantry and that's just what we were taught from day 1. I agree, a bat or something is easier to defend against having done that sort of training.
Kyle, I watched a lot of your videos and you always demonstrate driving the weapon. With your tac light on the lower right side of the weapon, how do you work your grip to activate your light?
@fatdan172501 We try to do things as we would in the dark. Also you should know what it feels like to shoot dry.
-Kyle
I notice in all your vids that you and the other shooter are in a bladed stance with your feet rather than the isosceles body armor thing taught everywhere else.
Any particular reasoning for it or just because its more comfortable and youre not wearing body armor?
What model of shot timer is being used here?
What is the buttstock on that rifle???
We scan with the eyes, a lot of folks wag the weapon which only slows down the actual scan.
@opmike343 Definitely not VTAC.... Just so you know, I fell out when I read your comment.
Kyle
believe it, they don't. you can look up the MTOE for an infantry company easily enough... maybe 10 pistols for over 100 people. check for yourself.
@VikingTactics
What abysmal shooting academy is still advocating Weaver? Mother of god...
Damn, that was a pretty fast reload. He had that f-er in the well before the empty hit the ground.
@VikingTactics
By the way, when I say "squared up" I don't mean perfectly square with both feet on line exactly, I mean with a minor stagger and the body nearly all the way square. The Marine corps MCMAP basic warrior stance is basically what I'm talking about as far as feet and body positioning.
Classic! Love it.
Excellent drill, however, as safety aware as everyone seems to be on these videos why would the "instructor/monitor" position himself to be in the path of the barrel at the onset of the drill? Shouldn't he be on the other side of the shooter?
+David Gradolf I would think this would be even better training because the student learn to control their firearm around others. You know, like he will have to do in real life.
+dragonballjiujitsu totally agree, also if he stands at the other side, the brass may be hitting him, which may distract him
It is obvious that these guys are experienced operators and you do try to duplicate real life situations as much as possible when doing drills however there is a safety aspect to doing drills. David is right the instructor should be on the opposite side of the turn and firearm should be made empty and safe before going downrange. These guys have the expertise where safety is second nature but if a novice tried to duplicate exactly what they are doing you may have a situation. One AD in the wrong direction can make a really bad day!!
ALL of your drills are amazing, and very helpful...I just wanted to say thank you for your time spent making these training videos. I will start working on them, and looking forward to improving tremendously. THANK YOU
-GY6vids
Easy on the hate there tiger. The Magpul guys don't teach a "squared" stance either, look at the way Costa shoots his .308 standing up.
@joffeloff
Actually, we practice what we preach which is the bladed stance with the rifle. Several reasons for this. We want shooters in a Fighter's Stance with the Rifle; fighters dont stand square. Secondly, I hate to rely on the shooting ability of the terrorist to hit my plate, I prefer to take responsibility for the outcome. I want to shoot faster and more accurately than the threat, you will never shoot as fast from a square stance.
(continued...)
Morning
I reach under and grip the vertical grip like a bat with my thumb on the back of the light.
Kyle
hey kyle any specific reason for not doing a chamber check on the reload?
Eh. I wouldn't really call that shooters stance "Weaver". And he's not exceedingly "bladed" either. That guys frontal armor would be sufficiently squared up to a threat in that stance IMO. He's not in a "side-on" target shooters stance by any means.
Soldiers and Marines don't carry sidearms? What's all that Beretta 92 vs. 1911 debate about, then??
I think the range is entirely too close to the rooster farm...think about their poor ears----nevermind chickens don't have ears. Thanks for your service, book and videos.
I still have one new in box...
Is Viking Acres located next to a farm with lots of roosters tied to little teepees by their legs?
I believe it's called a game bird farm. Beautiful animals if you ask me.
No chickens were injured in the making of these videos.
Although we wanted to.
Kyle
i love doing this w/ my saiga 12
@SpartanCombativesGrp
My experience in h2h is a lot of mma and level one combatives. I'm trying to get level 2, my mma insructor is a level 4 combatives instructor. I did some Krav Maga for a short time, great stuff. I get where you're coming from.
Why wouldn't you put at least a shot on each one before coming back for the 2nd shot? I'm referring to the so-called "tactical order" like IDPA shooters do. I'm not being a smart-ass, I'm looking for alternative reasoning against tactical-order.
In most competitive gun runs, including tac rifle, you are required to put 2 hits on each target. It is faster to finish 2 rounds each target before transitioning. This is not real world combat practice. IPSC requires 2, almost all tac rifle matches do as well (aside from steel or poppers of course).
Trazor IPSC Gotcha' I understood the two shots per (I shoot 3-gun and IDPA). My question was about the order of engagement. I didn't realize that you were using the competition approach instead of the "shoot to save my life" approach.
So this is (and I mean no offense here): a "gamer" drill to get a better competition score? He speaks as if it's a drill for "work/duty" purposes.
If it's not a drill for fight training, I get it. Practice for the fastest clock time with the fewest penalties. This seems to be a great drill towards that goal.
If it's a drill for fighting, I'm still trying to identify why it's better to put 2, 2, & 2 on equally distanced threats instead of "thanksgiving rules" (everybody gets firsts before anyone gets seconds).
Joseph Goins mentions below that it's a drill and not a scenario. OK, that's a difference in what exactly? To me, training your brain to perform a series of steps (if it's making sushi, playing cello or shooting a gun) doesn't differ by calling it a drill or a scenario. Practice, training, drills, scenario... the words may change the layout, but your ability to repeat the shots, it would seem, would do the steps that you most often practiced. Meaning: practice competition shooting and you get competition shooting. Practice bad-guy shooting: and you get bad-guy shooting.
The two would seem to be very close (shoot fast/shoot accurate) until you get into sub-second differences and are training for bad guys that shoot back. That seems to be the point that this video sits, without clarification of which type of training it is: Competition or Defensive.
Am I wrong here? If so, help me dissect my error(s).
PS: I'm sincerely not wanting to be a smart-ass or offend. My tone is often unintentionally "pointy". I'm trying to learn something here.
This drill is primarily loaded with fundamental reinforcement of the basics. The El Prez is a fairly old drill, and in the shooting world is such a common metric that it is like asking what someone deadlifts in the working out world. To your point on prioritization..."Shoot till he is down" is a common way of teaching when you are in any way involved with a team. As part of a team, you are responsible for what is in your sector, collapsing towards your teammate's sector. You are trusting that your teammate is working towards you from his sector, and you meet, then overlap in the middle of the zone. Kyle explains this a bit in the 1-5 drill video, but the bottom line is that other than headshots, folks are rarely incapacitated with a single shot, even from a rifle. It does no one any good to put 1 in a guy, while shooting on the move, and then he ends up out of sector for anyone else as you pass him. I hope that answered the nature of your question.
Kyle, you really need to shoot this so you can show us whats up. :)
2009, good lord! haha
@SadlyMissing Something to incorporate into it however thats a theme in many of his videos and I beleive he is just doing exactly what the title says...an El Prez with a rifle.
I know you from TNP and generally liked your thoughts on combative tactics, however I have to say you came off a bit like an "Armchair Elitist"
No problem with your last sentance. Except by "doing" targets you inherently minimize your overall risk of "getting done". 2 down in the time it takes most to SEE one.
Was this shot next to a peacock farm or something? I swear I was hearing peacocks.
The average grunt does NOT carry a sidearm. For example, your 0311 USMC rifleman does not carry a sidearm. A 0331 machinegunner.....the gunner, not the A-gunner or ammoman........will have a sidearm, because he does not carry a rifle...he carries the machinegun. The A-gunner and all ammomen will NOT have a sidearm because the carry rifles.
@vash241987
Your childish ad-hominem isn't necessary. Several people have already set Sadly straight after making his little remark.
I got 6,93 with 1 shot on C all others on alpha. IG - alex_pitkanen