Thanks for simultaneously introducing me to a product I want, and showing me how inadequate I'd find it. I enjoy this sense of vicarious disappointment.
Tbh i have the smaller version, if youre looking for this as a "cheap tablet" this deff isnt for you lol. But if youre looking for a super capable ereader/notetaker. This is where it shines. I got the much smaller one (nova 2) for $300 and is a great ereader opening any pdf and ebook, allows me to modify pdf's, and can do lite (underline) web browsing.
I encourage you to check out the newer onyx boox devices, they now run android 10 and are much, much better. I have a Nova 3 and so far I haven't experienced almost any of the issues he has mentioned here. I think this devices suffers from some sever "first generation syndrome".
@@superluig164 good information. A lot has happened since this video was made. Sometimes people forget to take into account when a video was produced. A couple of years with technology is huge.
I had always hoped when Amazon made their phone it would be e-ink on one side and beautiful display on the other. Dialing and texting are perfectly serviced by e-ink. Also, you could use the "good camera" for selfies and use the eink side for framing the pic. I figured the battery life gained by using the eink for mundane task on the phone would be revolutionary!
@sbcontt YT There are probably enough users for that too. I really thought video talk was a fad long gone, or only used by ghose being away for long periods abroad and such, like weeks months. Then in the other end of it are those who don't even use the phone function ..on their phones. :) Its like "Why are you calling?! Just use SMS like normal people!" All these things are generational though I guess.
It's so bad, isn't it? Especially the Dasung. They have the same panel in them! But, that's part of the problem. E-ink Holdings has almost complete control over the display tech, so it's still pricey
I don't really understand how this came to be true. It's my understanding that the original patent was filed over 20 years ago, in 1997. Why isn't it fair game yet?
@@AngDavies The little 2 - 3 inch displays that are usually used in stores for prices tags can be found for $10 each. If you were dedicated enough, you could probably create an array of them the same size as one of those big ones for a fraction of the prices and it wouldn't need to refresh the entire screen every time.
I don't know what the heck is going on with the random frames from the beginning getting thrown in... that's not in my original file, so either something went wonky with the upload, or RUclips processing was... not having a good day.
I've noticed it on other channels recently as well. I'm guessing RUclips is making some changes to its encoding suite or something and accidentally added some unintended functionality in the process.
What? It has terrible input lag? The framerate is like 5hz?! It's only in black and white??! Man, my plans to make this my main 144hz HDR gaming monitor have been crushed.
well the eink technology is such that theres literally actual particle thats moving in the display, so no chances of seeing any improvement of the speed even in the future.
I have the smaller version of this and foolishly misplaced the stylus. Yeah, its horribly expensive to get a new one (if you can even find one). Its not very usable without the stylus due to the lag causing it to constantly select things instead of scrolling. Horrible unresponsive touchscreen on the thing.
@@yevgeniygorbachev5152 hmm, I tried the stylus from a galaxy note 2 and that didn't work, maybe Samsung altered something after that one was released.
@@emorydomke7773 I once encountered one called FBI Surveillance Van. The funny thing is, around that time there was an article in PC World (back when the print version still existed) that talked about naming your Wi-Fi network fun things, and that was one of the suggestions. The people with that network might have gotten the idea from that article.
@@ronazdug It's true. I have one. I needed a e-reader with a big screen because I read a lot of science books and images and math are really hard to read on small e-reader as the kindle.
I kind of like the way the system builds photos. All the strange phased refreshing and rendering stuff reminds me of how Hollywood would tell us that advanced alien technology displays tend to work.
I'm actually surprised by how well it works as a monitor. It doesn't seem to ghost quite as much as in A2 mode on Android mode, but perhaps that was just harder to see.
I don't think so. I think it's most likely an AOSP WebView build so installing Google WebView will do nothing basically because system chose the AOSP one instead. And supporting newer WebView other than the system's one. You must be on Android 7+ then you can choose other apps like Chrome. Or if you can rooted it and delete AOSP apk from /system, put Google's WebView and config framework-res and stuff somehow choosing Google's WebView app instead of AOSP WebView then you're good.
In that case, doesn't the app have to be compatible with newer Webview API to run ? This browser app is made from an old version so it might be broken after this update.
@@PainterVierax since android 4.4 aosp browser had moved onto using webview instead of built-in webview inside the app itself so it only true with browser built from android 4.3 and below
@@kutiz7273 I understand but what I was asking is if there is some retrocompatibility with Webview and older apps using it or does app developers need to follow Webview development to be compatible with new versions. If the device is not supported anymore, as it looks like, it could be an issue.
I just replied to someone else about this, but one of the issues is that I can't multitask as well if I use the app. If it's open in a tab, I can have pages I'm referencing open as well, rather than being forced to switch between apps. Which, if you couldn't gather from this video, isn't' a fast experience. And my gut tells me I tried this but it didn't look right. I think the contrast was too low, but I could tweak that I suppose. Or I'm misremembering it entirely
@@TechnologyConnextras I would suggest looking at Android settings for background apps, I am glad you made this video. I would love for you to check out chrome remote desktop
@@TechnologyConnextras At the risk of stating the obvious, was the first browser (Firefox?) set to request the mobile version of the site rather than Desktop and that's why Google Docs looked different?
@@TechnologyConnextras Try Taskbar. Assuming it works on this device (of course, freeform windows won't work, but the taskbar itself will), it should make it easier to switch between apps.
Personally I think this is so cool! I get it that it's annoying if you want it to function like a traditional CRT or LED/LCD display, but honestly the fact that it can do some of these tasks at all is a little mind-blowing! The technology will definitely improve with time, and meanwhile this is a really exciting gadget that looks like it would really shine in its intended applications.
I don't have this device, but you could try installing a third-party launcher to fix the "Home button not taking me home" issue. Can't guarantee this will work, but it's worth a try.
@KozelPraiseGOELRO Haven't watched this video in years so I forget the context, but Nova Launcher works fine on eInk displays as long as you disable the visual effects. I've used it on both Black/White and Color eInk Onyx Boox Android eReaders.
@@EnglishLaw Sure, it does have a lousy SoC but you do realise it doesn't really matter? A faster CPU or GPU won't help you when the response time of the display is measured in hundreds of milliseconds!
It will further contribute to the overall slowness of the device, but if the more convenient environment makes up the difference for you, then I don't imagine anything would stop you
During the time that e-ink Kindles were considered obsolete, but still had a rudimentary browser *and* had their own free cellular Internet connectivity, I bought one on eBay just for the ability of having a backup cellular Internet device. After a few short years, Amazon shut down the cellular connectivity. Still usable as a wifi browser, but I’ve got an armful of higher spec devices that can do wifi browsing. But it is neat to look at photographs of your own choosing on an e-ink screen.
I don't see what else you could be expecting from this to be honest, this is exactly what I thought it would have been and looks like it works pretty well. I wouldn't pay that much for it though
Works perfectly smooth on the preinstalled note app. Even if I try to write as fast as I can, I cant pass its speed. On third party apps it has hard lags.
I not only enjoy these things because they're fucking cool and interesting but damn, you're such a likable dude. It's only that you're smart, which you are, but you just instantly put me in a better mood. I'm very glad that you got the recognition and support that you deserve.
I'm definitely looking forward to updates. I use a third monitor while developing as a location for my documentation, music, and messaging apps. I think a paper-like monitor for documentation could be beautiful.
I really like this second channel of yours. Oftentimes I like to see full demonstrations of a device and its workings rather than just a spec rundown or history (though I appreciate both). I also appreciate your candid commentary while demonstrating. Looking forward to the future of your channels! Hope you get your sleep worked out :)
The text contrast when using it as an external monitor is likely due to Windows applying font smoothing for an LCD display. If you tweak the font smoothing, it would probably look a lot better.
they could sandwich a layer of OLED screen on top of the e-ink display and use the oled screen to display UI and mouse cursor or only render the cursor exclusively only to reduce the input lag. other interesting display modes can be accomplished by sandwiching them together like display exclusively with oled while scrolling and refresh the e-ink in the background then switch back to the e-ink.
but oled glows, the only advantage this screen has is its non-glowing and matte, meaning it works in direct sunlight, and doesnt burn your eyes and disrupt your internal clock ruining your sleep
@@jamalhalili2173 exactly... it will be a nice compromise between reducing screen time while maintaining productivity if you do a lot of reading/writing/coding.
Hey, I have something called non-24 sleep syndrome, and what really helps me to go to sleep earlier and wake up better is Melatonin 6-9mg at night before sleep, and Nicotinamide (also called Vitamin PP) in the morning just after waking. You can buy both in a supplement/vitamine store.
yes, that's a great idea! on the left side(sorry left handed people) so you can scroll with your right hand and hold it with your left and not have to move that hand to push the button. under the thumb where most people would grip it.
I am SO happy you're doing this. I've been toying with the idea of getting an e-ink screen for productive, but the price and lack of hands on reviews have always given me pause. Thank you.
Try over adb shell changing the "wm density" value to make things big Then reboot it Also. That app can allow you locking the rotation with the shield button on the notification.
*Easy Dpi Changer* app on google play is the only dpi changer app of them all that worked for me. I gave it root, but it claims to be able to change dpi without root on some devices. "wm density" in adb from a pc or from a Therminal Emulator app should work on all devices tho.
@@rachelslur8729 well yeah if you insist to. You can actually. Kinda? And I think that app needs root or adb permission to work (doubt the 2nd one tho) But over adb is like rootless
at the very least, i feel like this is a step in the right direction, if not the biggest or most.. functional.. step. its good to see companies trying things with e-ink technology, but i feel like maybe some improvements need to be made to e-ink before an application like a fully fledged tablet or display could work well enough that your average consumer would consider it an option. faster refreshing for example, and maybe something like the A2 system but more dynamic, something that's smart enough to know when and how often to refresh, and is able to operate in the background, minimising or totally removing the need for manual refreshing. im rly excited about the potential of e-ink, thanks for the video!
Disable sleep, close the lid and adjust the clear type display font. This is perfect if you just write code and it does allow you to test your code if you need to. All without being kept awake longer then you should. Says me watching this video at 2 am 😭😭
Hey Alec, I know you aren't a huge fan of developing and coding (yeah, I watched your analog video capture video), but I bet you can get a lot more mileage out of this thing if you rooted it. Depending on what the last software version you got is, or if you can roll back, it appears to be possible (though it's not that easy). Google is your friend, but a good place to start would be the XDA thread by Windsor1959 titled" How to root Onyx Book Note," which does seem to apply to your tablet as well. The reason I say this would be helpful is becaues you would be able to side load apps, remove version limitations (on my Android 10 phone, I still run ZenUI which hasn't been in development for over 4 years and is not even available on the play store), as well as configure various options such as the refresh rate, the animation scaling, since it seems to be running Marshmellow also theme is better, tweek various things such as CPU and GPU governors and wake up timers to optimize battery life and performance, as well as doze and background activity to that end. Additionally, with system access you would get access to the build.prop file which should contain at least some settings related to the things you mentioned, which could be changed. If all else fails you could pull out the APK responsible for the various settings and toggles you mentioned, and via some simple drag and drop tools for uncompiling APK sources, you could literally change an XML file to get what you want. *To note, while the tweeks in the first two paragraphs come with relatively few risks, modifying a system APK is risky. Phones with custom recoveries (think TWRP) and systemless overrides using Magisk Modules can be easily restored in the event you break your system, but as this device does not offer either of those solutions messing up a system level APK file could be fatal to the device. However, I think that the APK files you would need to modify for these purposes wouldn't break your ability to actually log into the phone, so with USB debugging enabled and if you set the USB to data transfer mode by default, you should be able to restore a backup in the event of catastrophic failure.
I think I know this product is aimed at researchers reading and marking up research journals etc. As a monitor, I think you would benefit from using it as a command line interface, like an an old print line system on paper.
Please cover more videos on e-ink tech! I have chronic migraine and am a college student. I am honestly thinking about buying one of these or maybe even a Dasung monitor to take notes, study and write essays. I am really interested in the development of this tech since you opened my eyes on it from the first video, one day (as an engineering major) I hope that the framerates get high enough to be able to do sensitive CAD work on them. Thanks for letting me know about this technology, this may be the only way for me to be able to get work done on a migraine day.
I understand this is not a fleshed out product yet. But I definitely believe that with the right software it could run a lot better. The two modes are not the limit of what the screen can do hardwarewise. They are a simple solution to the difficulties that this kind of display technology comes with. A more sophisticated approach would propably need a lot more processing power (and a better way to speak to the pixels directly if it is the driving part that is maxed out when drawing them). Here is what I in my limited and possibly wrong understanding of this technology think should be possible. The input doesn't set the value of a pixel directly but the delta to its previous state. I don't know if a light gray to dark gray transition is possible without jumping to black first but let's assume it is. Dark to light should be because that is how it is drawn anyway in regular mode. When we repeatedly switch between different shades of gray we propably lose accuracy over time but as soon as we hit true black or white as an input we could simply overdraw it a bit to regain that accuracy. Maybe the problem I'm missing is the potential damage of trying to make an already white pixel white again and "overcharging" it or trying to make a black pixel black respectively. We'd need to track the expected error value for each individual pixel and do a safe refresh for those once where it gets too critical. These refreshes could also be timed to large changes to the display so they only occur when a lot is being drawn anyway. Am I wrong in my assumptions or missing something important?
It’ll be interesting to see what it looks like in the new Windows “Dark Theme”. I’d like to try it for coding and see if I maintain concentration better than on a glarefest monitor.
For that particular rotation control app, just tap the shield to toggle rotation override. In most cases that I've experienced, it will allow rotation even in apps that don't support it officially. A small number of apps that don't support rotation may sometimes crash or draw screen elements and controls incorrectly or out of place if you rotate while the app is open. A smaller number of apps will refuse to open, crash immediately, or just ignore and open in their default orientation.
I think that the home-screen has a config option built in to disable screen rotation. There may be a setting you can change to make the home page rotate.
I suspect that the reason the built-in browser can auto switch back and forth into and out of A2 mode unlike third party apps is that the app has special code to support that feature. Thus for third party apps to support A2 mode they would likely need to include similar code to detect when run on this e-ink tablet so it can then run code to switch to A2 mode as needed. Another potential option might be for the them to include special code in their Android variant so that it detects when your trying to scroll or do other tasks where A2 mode would be useful, if that’s possible, thus allowing Auto-A2 mode even in apps not supporting it. If the problem lies within the third-party apps then don’t expect it to be fixed anytime some any major apps as I can’t imagine this e-ink tablet selling in any significant numbers and thus no reason for a app developer to support this tablet specifically. This really falls under the category of nice proof of concept but not really ready for primetime. Reminds me of a version of the Opera Mini browser they made for the Nintendo DS handheld game system (They only released a Japanese language version). While it technically worked to some degree you really could’t do a whole lot with it that was useful IMO partly due to its lack of support for modern web standards and the fact that it being stored on a read-only ROM cartridge could not be updated.
Look up transflective displays. They are based on standard liquid crystals, but don't use a backlight They are also unobtanium normally, so should be fun finding one
I've shared your interest in e-ink as a display outside of an e-reader since the tech first arrived. I thought it would be good for writing and programming (with a supplementary standard display). I think here you're demonstrating a core reason why that hasn't happened. In order to make such a display usable (with the refresh limitations) the applications, OS and user have to adjust. It's a gap that seems too large to bridge commercially considering the tiny market of aware customers who would persevere with the early iterations in the way you are attempting. Maybe one day we'll be able to pick up large e-ink displays cheaply enough that someone will find it worthwhile to hack together a driver layer and it will all take off from there.
This is actually heartbreaking because I recently found out about these and was planning on getting one. Now I’m not so sure. Any thoughts on the newer versions by Onyx or any improvements after update?
It's MUCH better now. Get one of the new ones that runs Android 10. Most of these issues are nonexistent, like glitches when not in A2 mode, software bugs, etc. I have a Nova 3 and continue to enjoy it. (And I do use it for Android stuff.) Obviously the input lag with typing is still there, but as someone who finds it easy to touch type, it's not a huge problem. I just go back and look for mistakes afterwards.
Given the limitations of the screen, I can't really fault it any. It's got a refresh rate of about 3.... 3hz... and it's a hard refresh, so I'm impressed with how well it is handling all of the motion. I would think hooking it up to a PC, then using it to display optimized slides for a display purpose, etc... would be ideal. Not viewing RUclips or the internet... it's not much of a multimedia monitor, but a... well...paper one.
It looks pretty light, so I expect the internal battery is super tiny. You can probably boost the battery life considerably while out if you just throw a power bank in your backpack and keep it plugged and charging in while in transit. And obviously if the battery does run out, you can just charge it off the power bank while using it.
One other thought on this e-ink tablet, given the current limitations of e-ink, a lot of the issues you have with this tablet are just going to be the nature of the beast, until the someone comes up with some either new version of e-ink or something similar was that will work better for use with Android tablets or another non e-reader tablet OS. There are good reasons why e-ink has largely been limited to e-readers so far. This sort of reminds me of the early days of laptop LCD displays where you got all sorts of issues including poor off-angle viewing and ghosting when moving the mouse/pointer around. Just as they worked out the early LCD issues, maybe they will work out certain issues with e-ink so it can be used to run a full version of Android without certain things sues your currently having. Keep in mind that e-ink May never be a good substitute for LCD or OLED displays on a tablet, for all but a select few.
I haven't had those issues with refreshing in apps where you have to switch to A2 mode, though I am on an older software version. Maybe it's a regression?
Aw man, this is probably late, but I recently started having what sounds like similar sleep issues to you, and I'm being diagnosed for sleep apnea. I don't know if you'll see this, but sleep apnea is incredibly common and underdiagnosed. Consider getting a sleep study done.
Yeah, a high-speed e-ink display would be really nice. Even just using one for reading, the sluggish response time can be an issue. I own one of the lower-end Boox devices that runs Android 4.whatever, and … the built-in reader software works nicely(occasional full-screen anti-ghosting flash aside), but Google Books or Amazon Kindle send everything to hell pretty fast, and you can just forget about a website that needs scrolling.
21:03 On Likebook, there is a "snowflake" icon on its Apps tab that allows one to set which apps can run on startup, and which can run in the background. 21:25 It does work in the Likebook home shell, but it causes things to look weird. It's still mostly usable, though.
Very poorly, if it handles like it does on the cheaper Boox devices. Which is really annoying, since Amazon HAS a Kindle app that is designed for eInk, but it is only available on Kindle hardware. The one you can download and install on a Boox is designed for LCDs.
Fun fact, the Nook e-readers have ran Android for a long time. Though they were not really meant to be general purpose Android devices, you can still use them as such. They are really just designed to be e-readers and nothing more, hence the screens are much smaller than this. I could see this being very nice for reading news on however, and it would probably work quite well for general web browsing, so it definitely has uses besides just as an e-book reader. I mean, Kindles have a web browser built in too, but it doesn't work great, and the screen is a bit small, so websites have to use the mobile layout, which isn't always the best.
I already answered this in the previous TC video, so short answer : that will be far from heaven even on tty. And yeah the only way to have a proper GNU/Linux on this kind of disposable device is a chroot from the obsolete Android provided.
10:13 - You can change to "Print layout" by tapping the three dots in the top right corner. This should show it as individual pages and so on... just like if you were to print it. Though it is awkward to work with, you can tap on the A with lines to the right, to find most of the remaining formatting tools. Ps. nice video :D
I have the Onyx Boox Max 2 Pro with 4 GB of RAM and I LOVE IT!! Contrary to this review and the comments here, I have used my device for the past 4 months. I use Chrome and Firefox without any issues!! It takes some time to adapt as I literally use it for everything including watching Netflix(alternative app on Netflix website) and Amazon Prime video. Here I will point out that I prefer black and white movies and find the LCD screens rather stressful and painful. So it's down to personal taste and what you can put up with. For majority of people this will of course not be a satisfying experience. But if you have health issues with LCD screens like I do, this is actually a really nice option. It requires patience and experimenting, so it took me a few weeks to make a rig/stand for it so it has direct light running, tweaking and experimenting with apps... Splashtop streamer allows me to use my Onyx Boox Max 2 Pro as a mirror display wirelessly connected to my MacBook Pro (touch with the pen, connected to the bluetooth keyboard, speaker bluetooth), and I use this for writing long documents and when I require split screen functionality. My experience with the Onyx Boox Max 2 (2 GB RAM) version, shown in this video, was that it was slower than my Max 2 Pro (4GB RAM). I do not observe the lag with the direct monitor input either. I am happy with my Max 2 Pro and I also use ArtRage, Autodesk sketchbook etc.. no major issues. You will have to disable capacitive touch when using the 3rd party drawing apps. I also use Nebo, handwriting app, and no problems apart from the slight lag which I am ok with. I will point out that Nebo didn't work with the Max 2 Pro (2GB ram). Perhaps the additional RAM helps and experimenting with ambient lighting is essential to improve the contrast. Therefore, I would somewhat disagree that e-ink reader is a poor choice for productivity. It took me 3 weeks to experiment with different options (stands, lighting, tweaking the apps, finding different apps, you can also search the forums for some mods for improving the monitor mode, etc.). I also think it is down the individual taste, needs and expectations. For me the health benefits outweigh the drawbacks. I think the additional RAM and taking the time to adapt to the device (experimentation) resulted in a more satisfying experience than the one you described.
i was considering one of these for sheet music.. it would be big enough to display 2 pages at once and allow me to mark notes directly on the pdf... but yeah, think I'll just continue to use pencil and paper
I wonder if the input lag contributes to a feeling of sleepiness. Your subconscious goes, "My eyes aren't keeping up with what's happening; I must be really tired."
I'll get into this more later, but while it was pre-installed, the device required registration with Google Play. I've never had to do this with any other device, though perhaps it's common. It wasn't difficult, though.
@@TechnologyConnextras I'd presume that's the "not certified by Google" thing i.e. Onyx isn't a 'Google Mobile Services' licensee and doesn't certify their devices with Google, the license includes among other things the Play Store etc. So this device basically looks like a custom ROM device or a chinese knock-off to Google as it's not in their database of certified devices.
This made me re-google “electrowetting.” Samsung has a working electrowetting display. I hope that it’ll come to market soon. Emissive/transmissive displays really screw with circadian rhythms. A reflective display would greatly help and would probably be super popular
if the stylus is responsive enough, then this could be really cool for sketching for some artists (you could potentially have a librarys worth of art books for reference where ever you go. And can use undo when sketching. Also if it has a camera, you could trace photos on location. You cannot do any of that with your regular sketchbook)
I use GaiaGPS for navigation off road in my truck on an iPad, where I have to tilt the screen to see through sunglasses and it doesn’t get bright enough and the glare can negate it entirely. I wonder if this tablet would work decently well in that case, even if it is a lot bigger than I’d like for the purpose.
E-ink tech is not going to have a good refresh rate. Trying to use it as a full tablet is like trying to drive a tractor on an interstate highway: not optimal.
It's not terrible, but yeah, for what you're trying to do, that's really pushing it. I'm contemplating getting a 10.3 inch e-reader because of dealing with textbooks a lot, and regular ones are awkward for that. But I'm still quietly hoping for ones with a colour display. Higher refresh rate is neither here nor there, since I'm not trying to use it as a monitor replacement, but lack of colour can be frustrating when, say, you're trying to read comic books, or large format technical PDF's or the like... I know at least one colour e-reader existed, but it wasn't ideal for what I was after. Also from looking at the screen tech itself and trying to homebrew a solution I know that 'colour' displays exist now, but they're not quite what you'd expect. (also most of them are too small for what I'm intending) Rather the commonly available 'colour' e-ink modules are either black+red, or black+yellow displays. (one bit colour for each, so I suppose in practice this means you get white, black, dark red and light red, or the same but with yellow replacing red. Interesting, but not really helpful for colour documents. - I also have no idea if grayscale is possible on such a display, and if so, how, because the documentation certainly didn't suggest any way of doing it...) Oh well. Trouble is the whole technology is such a niche thing, progress with it is agonisingly slow...
For more of my thoughts on this tablet go to techconect.com/overclock where I also complied a list of the best tablets you can buy for the price of this one.
I eagerly await whichever part you show what the stylus is like. Particularly whether the Wacom parts make it any good for drawing or if the other faults completely cancel out any benefits it has. It sounds like the monitor option doesn't double as a touch-input device option, so you'd be limited to apps you can install on it directly, but if the lag you demonstrated is only present in monitor mode, that's just as well anyway.
The approach here is a little wrong I'd say. Seems one tries to approach this ereader as an android tablet, which it is not. I.m.h.o. it should be seen as an e-reader with capability to run some android apps, which, when seen as that, is amazing. As a secondary monitor, the best way to use it is in extended mode, where one have documents and similar things on it. Lovely to have a PDF document to the side of my computer while I work on something on my primary monitor. But... the pricing is horrible. Not worth it at the current pricing. Would it be ½ the price it might be almost worth it.
I'm really interested to see how it works for typing, specifically in a terminal. I have a dream of a nice little portable Linux device with an eink display. We will get there some day!
I thought what you wanted was a screen on which you could read things off the internet but for longer periods of time, so I think that machine does pretty well considering it's one of the forefront models of e-ink as computer screens, just choose what you want to read on the conventional screen and then lay back and read that text on the e-ink screen, that's reducing backlit screentime.
Hey, I use that rotation control app too! I use it to mitigate screen burn on my OLED phone by using upside down to flip where UI elements are. I'm not sure if it was addressed in a later video, but the shield icon on the taskbar should force the screen rotation system wide. I have to use it to make my lock screen upside down.
would also say find a service manager for android, because all these google services are gonna eat up most of the battery life with background services. You may need to root it to do that
Wow I'm 99% sure your lock screen is a picture of "Stift Melk", a giant abbey and one of Austrias most visited tourist attraction. I went to school there for 8 years... definitely a must see, it's a Unesco world heritage for a reason.
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It will help with your sleep pattern - because it's so slow, you fall asleep waiting for a refresh...
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It will bore you to sleep....🛌
Or keep you awake out of frustration
Thanks for simultaneously introducing me to a product I want, and showing me how inadequate I'd find it. I enjoy this sense of vicarious disappointment.
Tbh i have the smaller version, if youre looking for this as a "cheap tablet" this deff isnt for you lol. But if youre looking for a super capable ereader/notetaker. This is where it shines. I got the much smaller one (nova 2) for $300 and is a great ereader opening any pdf and ebook, allows me to modify pdf's, and can do lite (underline) web browsing.
I encourage you to check out the newer onyx boox devices, they now run android 10 and are much, much better. I have a Nova 3 and so far I haven't experienced almost any of the issues he has mentioned here. I think this devices suffers from some sever "first generation syndrome".
@@superluig164 good information. A lot has happened since this video was made. Sometimes people forget to take into account when a video was produced. A couple of years with technology is huge.
"after using it for one day I was just *so* tired."
-TC, complementing a product
I had always hoped when Amazon made their phone it would be e-ink on one side and beautiful display on the other. Dialing and texting are perfectly serviced by e-ink. Also, you could use the "good camera" for selfies and use the eink side for framing the pic. I figured the battery life gained by using the eink for mundane task on the phone would be revolutionary!
@@ewmegoolies The yotaphone 2 uses this concept
@sbcontt YT There are probably enough users for that too. I really thought video talk was a fad long gone, or only used by ghose being away for long periods abroad and such, like weeks months. Then in the other end of it are those who don't even use the phone function ..on their phones. :) Its like "Why are you calling?! Just use SMS like normal people!" All these things are generational though I guess.
@@ewmegoolies there is a phone like that just look it up. Tablet with oled/ein-k also would be nice when prices get to a reasonable level.
@sbcontt YT >Most people need video calling
No? Most people never use video calls at all.
A2 video mode reminds me of the moving newspaper pictures in the Harry Potter films.
Exactly why I love this device. I watch movies in that mode and I enjoy it.
Magic Stick™
Now sold at Disney Galaxy
*looks up price*
Holy mother of god. $750.
*looks up price of Dasung monitor*
*faints*
It's so bad, isn't it? Especially the Dasung. They have the same panel in them! But, that's part of the problem. E-ink Holdings has almost complete control over the display tech, so it's still pricey
I don't really understand how this came to be true. It's my understanding that the original patent was filed over 20 years ago, in 1997. Why isn't it fair game yet?
Ya think that's bad shopkits.eink.com/product/eps-c07-32inch/ 32 inches with HDMI $3500 before tax, they also only accept orders from businesses
shopkits.eink.com/product/eps-c06-42inch/
$4500, 42 inches........
@@AngDavies The little 2 - 3 inch displays that are usually used in stores for prices tags can be found for $10 each. If you were dedicated enough, you could probably create an array of them the same size as one of those big ones for a fraction of the prices and it wouldn't need to refresh the entire screen every time.
I don't know what the heck is going on with the random frames from the beginning getting thrown in... that's not in my original file, so either something went wonky with the upload, or RUclips processing was... not having a good day.
I've noticed it on other channels recently as well. I'm guessing RUclips is making some changes to its encoding suite or something and accidentally added some unintended functionality in the process.
It's a RUclips problem that randomly put the first frame of the video to other part of the video. I can tell you that.
Definitely a RUclips problem. Nintendo Life have had to upload multiple times to try and sort it out.
@@markwhi1 I know youtube is introducing en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOMedia_Video_1, could it be due to that perhaps?
Is it me or is the first shot very very oh so very blurry?
What? It has terrible input lag? The framerate is like 5hz?! It's only in black and white??!
Man, my plans to make this my main 144hz HDR gaming monitor have been crushed.
144Hz master race!
+Ben_
5hz master race, pleb.
when you get older , that when your eye feel the pain , even after staring at the screen for 10 min. thats when u will feel u need it
well the eink technology is such that theres literally actual particle thats moving in the display, so no chances of seeing any improvement of the speed even in the future.
We will still need like 5 years or so to push from 5Hz to 120Hz or something
And that too when big giants like Nvidia, Asus and samsung step into this
That Wacom stylus is probably half of the cost, to be honest. Drawing tablets with screens in them can get pricey really quick!
I have the smaller version of this and foolishly misplaced the stylus. Yeah, its horribly expensive to get a new one (if you can even find one). Its not very usable without the stylus due to the lag causing it to constantly select things instead of scrolling. Horrible unresponsive touchscreen on the thing.
@@meetoo594 Not sure whether it works on this one specifically, but I found that Galaxy Tab pens work well with my Nova 2 (I have tested S3 and S6)
@@yevgeniygorbachev5152 hmm, I tried the stylus from a galaxy note 2 and that didn't work, maybe Samsung altered something after that one was released.
@@meetoo594 I was specifically referring to the Tab S3 and S6 pens. They're relatively inexpensive on Amazon, for ~$10.
@@yevgeniygorbachev5152 I'm gonna try one of those, thanks for the suggestion 👍
"Spicy Armpits" is definitely one of the more creative Wi-Fi names I've ever encountered. lol
There's a network on my street named "FBIAGENTWYATT"
@@emorydomke7773 I once encountered one called FBI Surveillance Van. The funny thing is, around that time there was an article in PC World (back when the print version still existed) that talked about naming your Wi-Fi network fun things, and that was one of the suggestions. The people with that network might have gotten the idea from that article.
Mine is called Skynet.
"ItHurtsWhenIP" here :o)
I think it's a reference to an anime called Asobi Asobase.
If you hold the menu button in A2 mode it will refresh the screen.
How would you know this
I mean its cool that you do but how?
@@ronazdug he probably has one himself
megarollX Rgm Broadcasting probably but its not like theses thing are popular
@@ronazdug It's true. I have one. I needed a e-reader with a big screen because I read a lot of science books and images and math are really hard to read on small e-reader as the kindle.
I kind of like the way the system builds photos. All the strange phased refreshing and rendering stuff reminds me of how Hollywood would tell us that advanced alien technology displays tend to work.
If we ever get holographic TV, people will be disappointed if it doesn't have huge chunky scan lines and glitch all the time.
Print Layout On the Google Docs app shows the view you are accustomed to, showing the different pages etc.
That's what I was gonna say
On the 3 dots in the top right
The gasps are scripted? I am stunned, my whole world is upside down.
I am shocked, shocked. Well not that shocked.
*gasp*
*LE GASP*
My goodness. *gasp* I have lost all respect in this channel
I'm actually surprised by how well it works as a monitor. It doesn't seem to ghost quite as much as in A2 mode on Android mode, but perhaps that was just harder to see.
Installing Android System Webview from the Play store /could/ improve the native browser if they use the Android libraries...
I don't think so. I think it's most likely an AOSP WebView build so installing Google WebView will do nothing basically because system chose the AOSP one instead.
And supporting newer WebView other than the system's one. You must be on Android 7+ then you can choose other apps like Chrome.
Or if you can rooted it and delete AOSP apk from /system, put Google's WebView and config framework-res and stuff somehow choosing Google's WebView app instead of AOSP WebView then you're good.
@@flowchan19 that's what im afraid about. I think that option does not exist in 6 yet
In that case, doesn't the app have to be compatible with newer Webview API to run ? This browser app is made from an old version so it might be broken after this update.
@@PainterVierax since android 4.4 aosp browser had moved onto using webview instead of built-in webview inside the app itself so it only true with browser built from android 4.3 and below
@@kutiz7273 I understand but what I was asking is if there is some retrocompatibility with Webview and older apps using it or does app developers need to follow Webview development to be compatible with new versions. If the device is not supported anymore, as it looks like, it could be an issue.
My man, for Google docs on android, just go to the settings and toggle "page layout". It will format the document as you want it
I just replied to someone else about this, but one of the issues is that I can't multitask as well if I use the app. If it's open in a tab, I can have pages I'm referencing open as well, rather than being forced to switch between apps. Which, if you couldn't gather from this video, isn't' a fast experience.
And my gut tells me I tried this but it didn't look right. I think the contrast was too low, but I could tweak that I suppose. Or I'm misremembering it entirely
@@TechnologyConnextras I would suggest looking at Android settings for background apps, I am glad you made this video. I would love for you to check out chrome remote desktop
@@TechnologyConnextras At the risk of stating the obvious, was the first browser (Firefox?) set to request the mobile version of the site rather than Desktop and that's why Google Docs looked different?
@@TechnologyConnextras Try Taskbar. Assuming it works on this device (of course, freeform windows won't work, but the taskbar itself will), it should make it easier to switch between apps.
4:53 Those tiny little e-ink balls must be rolling their little hearts out trying to render that video
Personally I think this is so cool! I get it that it's annoying if you want it to function like a traditional CRT or LED/LCD display, but honestly the fact that it can do some of these tasks at all is a little mind-blowing! The technology will definitely improve with time, and meanwhile this is a really exciting gadget that looks like it would really shine in its intended applications.
I see that the A2 mode is similar to my online dating experience, as there's tons of ghosting.
I don't have this device, but you could try installing a third-party launcher to fix the "Home button not taking me home" issue. Can't guarantee this will work, but it's worth a try.
It most certainly is the problem, a poorly designed Launcher. Too bad none are made with this kind of display in mind.
@KozelPraiseGOELRO Haven't watched this video in years so I forget the context, but Nova Launcher works fine on eInk displays as long as you disable the visual effects. I've used it on both Black/White and Color eInk Onyx Boox Android eReaders.
Okay but the real question... can it run Doom? 😛
Now we're talking!
Well, if it can run Delta Touch, then it can run Doom…at a really low framerate.
Who cares about if it can run Doom? The real question is if it can run Crysis.
It runs Android, and someone definitely made doom for Android, so yes, it can run doom
Obvioulsy it can. But the experience would be sluggish.
One random thought: Can you install another Launcher (like Google Now) to make it behave more like a tablet than an E reader?
The spec is so crappy I wouldn't bother, considering the price.
search google for Dasung
A 42" monitor is $4500
@@EnglishLaw Sure, it does have a lousy SoC but you do realise it doesn't really matter? A faster CPU or GPU won't help you when the response time of the display is measured in hundreds of milliseconds!
It will further contribute to the overall slowness of the device, but if the more convenient environment makes up the difference for you, then I don't imagine anything would stop you
The default launcher on the competing likebook devices is also not too bad by comparison.
@@Lagittaja e readers intentionally have crap SoC to lower power consumption
I've been really interested in devices like these for the exact same reasons you are. Really glad to see you taking a detailed look at one. Thanks!
During the time that e-ink Kindles were considered obsolete, but still had a rudimentary browser *and* had their own free cellular Internet connectivity, I bought one on eBay just for the ability of having a backup cellular Internet device. After a few short years, Amazon shut down the cellular connectivity. Still usable as a wifi browser, but I’ve got an armful of higher spec devices that can do wifi browsing. But it is neat to look at photographs of your own choosing on an e-ink screen.
I have this for reading PDFs and annotating them, and for that it works really rather well. It's also a reasonable notepad
For 750 bucks, I would hope it'd work well as note-taking device.
I don't see what else you could be expecting from this to be honest, this is exactly what I thought it would have been and looks like it works pretty well.
I wouldn't pay that much for it though
I'd love to hear how well the stylus works.
Works perfectly smooth on the preinstalled note app. Even if I try to write as fast as I can, I cant pass its speed.
On third party apps it has hard lags.
I not only enjoy these things because they're fucking cool and interesting but damn, you're such a likable dude. It's only that you're smart, which you are, but you just instantly put me in a better mood. I'm very glad that you got the recognition and support that you deserve.
I hope you don't get demonetized for showing that NAKED display.
Thunderf00t got demonetized for showing a *NAKED HUMAN EYE.*
demonetized*
@@encycl07pedia- thanks. It has been corrected
@@encycl07pedia- 👍
@@sobertillnoon No problem.
Other commenter, I'm from the U.S., so we use the 'z.' "Demonetised" is also acceptable.
etch a sketch is looking awesome did you flash the firmware year?
I'm definitely looking forward to updates. I use a third monitor while developing as a location for my documentation, music, and messaging apps. I think a paper-like monitor for documentation could be beautiful.
I really like this second channel of yours. Oftentimes I like to see full demonstrations of a device and its workings rather than just a spec rundown or history (though I appreciate both). I also appreciate your candid commentary while demonstrating. Looking forward to the future of your channels! Hope you get your sleep worked out :)
The text contrast when using it as an external monitor is likely due to Windows applying font smoothing for an LCD display. If you tweak the font smoothing, it would probably look a lot better.
they could sandwich a layer of OLED screen on top of the e-ink display and use the oled screen to display UI and mouse cursor or only render the cursor exclusively only to reduce the input lag. other interesting display modes can be accomplished by sandwiching them together like display exclusively with oled while scrolling and refresh the e-ink in the background then switch back to the e-ink.
but oled glows, the only advantage this screen has is its non-glowing and matte, meaning it works in direct sunlight, and doesnt burn your eyes and disrupt your internal clock ruining your sleep
Erik Lindgren I think he means u could turn the OLED layer off while using the e ink
@@kitsunekaze93 but if you were to use OLED to display only small parts of screen such as the cursor?
@@jamalhalili2173 exactly... it will be a nice compromise between reducing screen time while maintaining productivity if you do a lot of reading/writing/coding.
At that point you'd be far better off with simply making a device that uses a transparent OLED.
if you want to see it stay in landscape mode everywhere tap on that most left icon. It acts like guard and locks it in that mode.
Hey, I have something called non-24 sleep syndrome, and what really helps me to go to sleep earlier and wake up better is Melatonin 6-9mg at night before sleep, and Nicotinamide (also called Vitamin PP) in the morning just after waking. You can buy both in a supplement/vitamine store.
The display mode should be a physical button at least.
yes, that's a great idea! on the left side(sorry left handed people) so you can scroll with your right hand and hold it with your left and not have to move that hand to push the button. under the thumb where most people would grip it.
I am SO happy you're doing this. I've been toying with the idea of getting an e-ink screen for productive, but the price and lack of hands on reviews have always given me pause. Thank you.
Try over adb shell changing the "wm density" value to make things big
Then reboot it
Also. That app can allow you locking the rotation with the shield button on the notification.
*Easy Dpi Changer* app on google play is the only dpi changer app of them all that worked for me. I gave it root, but it claims to be able to change dpi without root on some devices. "wm density" in adb from a pc or from a Therminal Emulator app should work on all devices tho.
@@rachelslur8729 well yeah if you insist to. You can actually.
Kinda?
And I think that app needs root or adb permission to work (doubt the 2nd one tho)
But over adb is like rootless
play🔴google🔴com/store/apps/details?id=com.chornerman.easydpichanger
at the very least, i feel like this is a step in the right direction, if not the biggest or most.. functional.. step. its good to see companies trying things with e-ink technology, but i feel like maybe some improvements need to be made to e-ink before an application like a fully fledged tablet or display could work well enough that your average consumer would consider it an option. faster refreshing for example, and maybe something like the A2 system but more dynamic, something that's smart enough to know when and how often to refresh, and is able to operate in the background, minimising or totally removing the need for manual refreshing. im rly excited about the potential of e-ink, thanks for the video!
Disable sleep, close the lid and adjust the clear type display font.
This is perfect if you just write code and it does allow you to test your code if you need to. All without being kept awake longer then you should. Says me watching this video at 2 am 😭😭
Hey Alec, I know you aren't a huge fan of developing and coding (yeah, I watched your analog video capture video), but I bet you can get a lot more mileage out of this thing if you rooted it. Depending on what the last software version you got is, or if you can roll back, it appears to be possible (though it's not that easy). Google is your friend, but a good place to start would be the XDA thread by Windsor1959 titled" How to root Onyx Book Note," which does seem to apply to your tablet as well.
The reason I say this would be helpful is becaues you would be able to side load apps, remove version limitations (on my Android 10 phone, I still run ZenUI which hasn't been in development for over 4 years and is not even available on the play store), as well as configure various options such as the refresh rate, the animation scaling, since it seems to be running Marshmellow also theme is better, tweek various things such as CPU and GPU governors and wake up timers to optimize battery life and performance, as well as doze and background activity to that end. Additionally, with system access you would get access to the build.prop file which should contain at least some settings related to the things you mentioned, which could be changed.
If all else fails you could pull out the APK responsible for the various settings and toggles you mentioned, and via some simple drag and drop tools for uncompiling APK sources, you could literally change an XML file to get what you want. *To note, while the tweeks in the first two paragraphs come with relatively few risks, modifying a system APK is risky. Phones with custom recoveries (think TWRP) and systemless overrides using Magisk Modules can be easily restored in the event you break your system, but as this device does not offer either of those solutions messing up a system level APK file could be fatal to the device. However, I think that the APK files you would need to modify for these purposes wouldn't break your ability to actually log into the phone, so with USB debugging enabled and if you set the USB to data transfer mode by default, you should be able to restore a backup in the event of catastrophic failure.
I think I know this product is aimed at researchers reading and marking up research journals etc. As a monitor, I think you would benefit from using it as a command line interface, like an an old print line system on paper.
Please cover more videos on e-ink tech! I have chronic migraine and am a college student. I am honestly thinking about buying one of these or maybe even a Dasung monitor to take notes, study and write essays. I am really interested in the development of this tech since you opened my eyes on it from the first video, one day (as an engineering major) I hope that the framerates get high enough to be able to do sensitive CAD work on them. Thanks for letting me know about this technology, this may be the only way for me to be able to get work done on a migraine day.
"Animation" settings probably change how quickly the animations for going between apps, closing apps, opening apps, _et cetera_ transpire.
I understand this is not a fleshed out product yet. But I definitely believe that with the right software it could run a lot better.
The two modes are not the limit of what the screen can do hardwarewise. They are a simple solution to the difficulties that this kind of display technology comes with. A more sophisticated approach would propably need a lot more processing power (and a better way to speak to the pixels directly if it is the driving part that is maxed out when drawing them).
Here is what I in my limited and possibly wrong understanding of this technology think should be possible.
The input doesn't set the value of a pixel directly but the delta to its previous state. I don't know if a light gray to dark gray transition is possible without jumping to black first but let's assume it is. Dark to light should be because that is how it is drawn anyway in regular mode. When we repeatedly switch between different shades of gray we propably lose accuracy over time but as soon as we hit true black or white as an input we could simply overdraw it a bit to regain that accuracy. Maybe the problem I'm missing is the potential damage of trying to make an already white pixel white again and "overcharging" it or trying to make a black pixel black respectively. We'd need to track the expected error value for each individual pixel and do a safe refresh for those once where it gets too critical. These refreshes could also be timed to large changes to the display so they only occur when a lot is being drawn anyway.
Am I wrong in my assumptions or missing something important?
This is exactly what it currently does, what eink regal waveform was
It’ll be interesting to see what it looks like in the new Windows “Dark Theme”. I’d like to try it for coding and see if I maintain concentration better than on a glarefest monitor.
So, what you're saying here is you've found a new great fps gaming monitor? I'm sold
Okay... this actually really makes me want to have one. Maybe if I find a really good price for one.
I actually would develop software for this thing. But I can't afford one, so I cannot even test.
For that particular rotation control app, just tap the shield to toggle rotation override. In most cases that I've experienced, it will allow rotation even in apps that don't support it officially. A small number of apps that don't support rotation may sometimes crash or draw screen elements and controls incorrectly or out of place if you rotate while the app is open. A smaller number of apps will refuse to open, crash immediately, or just ignore and open in their default orientation.
Sweet. I was hoping you'd upload this straight away!
I think that the home-screen has a config option built in to disable screen rotation. There may be a setting you can change to make the home page rotate.
hahaha Watching you open up the RUclips app on that device, I was surprised to see how many identical recommended videos we had.
I suspect that the reason the built-in browser can auto switch back and forth into and out of A2 mode unlike third party apps is that the app has special code to support that feature. Thus for third party apps to support A2 mode they would likely need to include similar code to detect when run on this e-ink tablet so it can then run code to switch to A2 mode as needed. Another potential option might be for the them to include special code in their Android variant so that it detects when your trying to scroll or do other tasks where A2 mode would be useful, if that’s possible, thus allowing Auto-A2 mode even in apps not supporting it. If the problem lies within the third-party apps then don’t expect it to be fixed anytime some any major apps as I can’t imagine this e-ink tablet selling in any significant numbers and thus no reason for a app developer to support this tablet specifically. This really falls under the category of nice proof of concept but not really ready for primetime. Reminds me of a version of the Opera Mini browser they made for the Nintendo DS handheld game system (They only released a Japanese language version). While it technically worked to some degree you really could’t do a whole lot with it that was useful IMO partly due to its lack of support for modern web standards and the fact that it being stored on a read-only ROM cartridge could not be updated.
Look up transflective displays.
They are based on standard liquid crystals, but don't use a backlight
They are also unobtanium normally, so should be fun finding one
So like a gameboy then
@@raycearcher5794 no, transflective can have a backlight (and still be visible during the day)
So like a Nintendo DS then.
I've shared your interest in e-ink as a display outside of an e-reader since the tech first arrived. I thought it would be good for writing and programming (with a supplementary standard display). I think here you're demonstrating a core reason why that hasn't happened. In order to make such a display usable (with the refresh limitations) the applications, OS and user have to adjust. It's a gap that seems too large to bridge commercially considering the tiny market of aware customers who would persevere with the early iterations in the way you are attempting. Maybe one day we'll be able to pick up large e-ink displays cheaply enough that someone will find it worthwhile to hack together a driver layer and it will all take off from there.
9:50 Try Menu, Print Layout.
11:50 Touch the clock to refresh time when in static mode I think.
17:00 This can be your Raspberry Pi E-ink lol!
This is actually heartbreaking because I recently found out about these and was planning on getting one. Now I’m not so sure. Any thoughts on the newer versions by Onyx or any improvements after update?
It's MUCH better now. Get one of the new ones that runs Android 10. Most of these issues are nonexistent, like glitches when not in A2 mode, software bugs, etc. I have a Nova 3 and continue to enjoy it. (And I do use it for Android stuff.) Obviously the input lag with typing is still there, but as someone who finds it easy to touch type, it's not a huge problem. I just go back and look for mistakes afterwards.
Given the limitations of the screen, I can't really fault it any. It's got a refresh rate of about 3.... 3hz... and it's a hard refresh, so I'm impressed with how well it is handling all of the motion. I would think hooking it up to a PC, then using it to display optimized slides for a display purpose, etc... would be ideal. Not viewing RUclips or the internet... it's not much of a multimedia monitor, but a... well...paper one.
It looks pretty light, so I expect the internal battery is super tiny. You can probably boost the battery life considerably while out if you just throw a power bank in your backpack and keep it plugged and charging in while in transit. And obviously if the battery does run out, you can just charge it off the power bank while using it.
Windows scaling used to be pretty bad but has been greatly improved with Windows 10
Unless you have different scaling on different monitors, or are using a program that wasn't specifically designed for it.
One other thought on this e-ink tablet, given the current limitations of e-ink, a lot of the issues you have with this tablet are just going to be the nature of the beast, until the someone comes up with some either new version of e-ink or something similar was that will work better for use with Android tablets or another non e-reader tablet OS. There are good reasons why e-ink has largely been limited to e-readers so far. This sort of reminds me of the early days of laptop LCD displays where you got all sorts of issues including poor off-angle viewing and ghosting when moving the mouse/pointer around. Just as they worked out the early LCD issues, maybe they will work out certain issues with e-ink so it can be used to run a full version of Android without certain things sues your currently having. Keep in mind that e-ink May never be a good substitute for LCD or OLED displays on a tablet, for all but a select few.
I haven't had those issues with refreshing in apps where you have to switch to A2 mode, though I am on an older software version. Maybe it's a regression?
Aw man, this is probably late, but I recently started having what sounds like similar sleep issues to you, and I'm being diagnosed for sleep apnea. I don't know if you'll see this, but sleep apnea is incredibly common and underdiagnosed. Consider getting a sleep study done.
I really dream about e ink display (but with refresh like 20ms) for common use, thats so better for eyes.
Yeah, a high-speed e-ink display would be really nice. Even just using one for reading, the sluggish response time can be an issue. I own one of the lower-end Boox devices that runs Android 4.whatever, and … the built-in reader software works nicely(occasional full-screen anti-ghosting flash aside), but Google Books or Amazon Kindle send everything to hell pretty fast, and you can just forget about a website that needs scrolling.
21:03 On Likebook, there is a "snowflake" icon on its Apps tab that allows one to set which apps can run on startup, and which can run in the background.
21:25 It does work in the Likebook home shell, but it causes things to look weird. It's still mostly usable, though.
I am SO curious how the Kindle app looks and works on this machine!
Very poorly, if it handles like it does on the cheaper Boox devices. Which is really annoying, since Amazon HAS a Kindle app that is designed for eInk, but it is only available on Kindle hardware. The one you can download and install on a Boox is designed for LCDs.
Fun fact, the Nook e-readers have ran Android for a long time. Though they were not really meant to be general purpose Android devices, you can still use them as such. They are really just designed to be e-readers and nothing more, hence the screens are much smaller than this.
I could see this being very nice for reading news on however, and it would probably work quite well for general web browsing, so it definitely has uses besides just as an e-book reader. I mean, Kindles have a web browser built in too, but it doesn't work great, and the screen is a bit small, so websites have to use the mobile layout, which isn't always the best.
I have one of those things and its a massive Pyle
it cannot turn pages without loading and is slow as asss
I wonder if Google Keep works in drawing mode with the stylus? I'm guessing the input lag would be too severe.
Epaper displays work at ~3 frames per second.
@@rachelslur8729 nice surname
This + Arch Linux + High contrast 2-color theming + keyboard driven tiling window manager (i3wm) == Heaven.
For text or static images yes, but everything else... Nah. I mean, then you could also just stay on the CLI with screen or tmux and CLI/TU apps
My exact thoughts. The more he shows, the more I want it
Actually, even a Debian chroot on Android could work well with that
I really want to see the input lag for typing... Assuming it isn't bad (can't see why it would be), then yeah. Go old school and love it.
I already answered this in the previous TC video, so short answer : that will be far from heaven even on tty.
And yeah the only way to have a proper GNU/Linux on this kind of disposable device is a chroot from the obsolete Android provided.
10:13 - You can change to "Print layout" by tapping the three dots in the top right corner. This should show it as individual pages and so on... just like if you were to print it.
Though it is awkward to work with, you can tap on the A with lines to the right, to find most of the remaining formatting tools.
Ps. nice video :D
I’m not sure if it’s exactly what you want, but turning on print layout in Google Docs will show pages.
I'd be very interested in trying to run Termux with an external keyboard. An e-ink terminal experience could be pretty usable.
About 3 years ago, I needed something exactly like this. Could definitely still use this but the price is too much. Also the outdated OS.
Cool to see how much things have improved in the past 3 years
Would have been nice to see you open a command window and do a directory listing, just for the nostalgia of it, running on such a display.
When you're on RUclips in this video it's like looking at my own recommended videos. Even has Deviant Ollam randomly in there.
I have the Onyx Boox Max 2 Pro with 4 GB of RAM and I LOVE IT!! Contrary to this review and the comments here, I have used my device for the past 4 months. I use Chrome and Firefox without any issues!! It takes some time to adapt as I literally use it for everything including watching Netflix(alternative app on Netflix website) and Amazon Prime video. Here I will point out that I prefer black and white movies and find the LCD screens rather stressful and painful. So it's down to personal taste and what you can put up with. For majority of people this will of course not be a satisfying experience. But if you have health issues with LCD screens like I do, this is actually a really nice option. It requires patience and experimenting, so it took me a few weeks to make a rig/stand for it so it has direct light running, tweaking and experimenting with apps...
Splashtop streamer allows me to use my Onyx Boox Max 2 Pro as a mirror display wirelessly connected to my MacBook Pro (touch with the pen, connected to the bluetooth keyboard, speaker bluetooth), and I use this for writing long documents and when I require split screen functionality. My experience with the Onyx Boox Max 2 (2 GB RAM) version, shown in this video, was that it was slower than my Max 2 Pro (4GB RAM). I do not observe the lag with the direct monitor input either. I am happy with my Max 2 Pro and I also use ArtRage, Autodesk sketchbook etc.. no major issues. You will have to disable capacitive touch when using the 3rd party drawing apps. I also use Nebo, handwriting app, and no problems apart from the slight lag which I am ok with. I will point out that Nebo didn't work with the Max 2 Pro (2GB ram). Perhaps the additional RAM helps and experimenting with ambient lighting is essential to improve the contrast. Therefore, I would somewhat disagree that e-ink reader is a poor choice for productivity. It took me 3 weeks to experiment with different options (stands, lighting, tweaking the apps, finding different apps, you can also search the forums for some mods for improving the monitor mode, etc.). I also think it is down the individual taste, needs and expectations. For me the health benefits outweigh the drawbacks. I think the additional RAM and taking the time to adapt to the device (experimentation) resulted in a more satisfying experience than the one you described.
Very well said, I have the Max2 and just the note taking capabilities for any student or faculty involved in research would truely enjoy this product!
i was considering one of these for sheet music.. it would be big enough to display 2 pages at once and allow me to mark notes directly on the pdf... but yeah, think I'll just continue to use pencil and paper
I'm waiting for a E-Ink product that satisfies my minimum requirements...
So far I'm already waiting for 5 Years still counting -_-
just 5 more to go xD
I wonder if the input lag contributes to a feeling of sleepiness. Your subconscious goes, "My eyes aren't keeping up with what's happening; I must be really tired."
Did you have to sideload the play store or did it come with it preinstalled?
I am guessing that it came pre installed because of the custom icons
I'll get into this more later, but while it was pre-installed, the device required registration with Google Play. I've never had to do this with any other device, though perhaps it's common. It wasn't difficult, though.
@@TechnologyConnextras I'd presume that's the "not certified by Google" thing i.e. Onyx isn't a 'Google Mobile Services' licensee and doesn't certify their devices with Google, the license includes among other things the Play Store etc. So this device basically looks like a custom ROM device or a chinese knock-off to Google as it's not in their database of certified devices.
This made me re-google “electrowetting.” Samsung has a working electrowetting display. I hope that it’ll come to market soon. Emissive/transmissive displays really screw with circadian rhythms. A reflective display would greatly help and would probably be super popular
if the stylus is responsive enough, then this could be really cool for sketching for some artists (you could potentially have a librarys worth of art books for reference where ever you go. And can use undo when sketching. Also if it has a camera, you could trace photos on location. You cannot do any of that with your regular sketchbook)
I use GaiaGPS for navigation off road in my truck on an iPad, where I have to tilt the screen to see through sunglasses and it doesn’t get bright enough and the glare can negate it entirely. I wonder if this tablet would work decently well in that case, even if it is a lot bigger than I’d like for the purpose.
There's a smaller version, i think it's 11" vs. 13''. It costs a lot less too.
This SHOULD be great. They really dropped the ball here.
E-ink tech is not going to have a good refresh rate. Trying to use it as a full tablet is like trying to drive a tractor on an interstate highway: not optimal.
It's not terrible, but yeah, for what you're trying to do, that's really pushing it.
I'm contemplating getting a 10.3 inch e-reader because of dealing with textbooks a lot, and regular ones are awkward for that.
But I'm still quietly hoping for ones with a colour display.
Higher refresh rate is neither here nor there, since I'm not trying to use it as a monitor replacement, but lack of colour can be frustrating when, say, you're trying to read comic books, or large format technical PDF's or the like...
I know at least one colour e-reader existed, but it wasn't ideal for what I was after.
Also from looking at the screen tech itself and trying to homebrew a solution I know that 'colour' displays exist now, but they're not quite what you'd expect. (also most of them are too small for what I'm intending)
Rather the commonly available 'colour' e-ink modules are either black+red, or black+yellow displays.
(one bit colour for each, so I suppose in practice this means you get white, black, dark red and light red, or the same but with yellow replacing red. Interesting, but not really helpful for colour documents. - I also have no idea if grayscale is possible on such a display, and if so, how, because the documentation certainly didn't suggest any way of doing it...)
Oh well. Trouble is the whole technology is such a niche thing, progress with it is agonisingly slow...
1:03 so.. would you say this is a review of its quirks and features? ;)
For more of my thoughts on this tablet go to techconect.com/overclock where I also complied a list of the best tablets you can buy for the price of this one.
I eagerly await whichever part you show what the stylus is like. Particularly whether the Wacom parts make it any good for drawing or if the other faults completely cancel out any benefits it has. It sounds like the monitor option doesn't double as a touch-input device option, so you'd be limited to apps you can install on it directly, but if the lag you demonstrated is only present in monitor mode, that's just as well anyway.
If the battery life is not optimal, you should decrease the brightness setting ;D
I appreciate the more casual attitude towards editing and speaking, it seems to fit with your goals for the chanel.
The approach here is a little wrong I'd say.
Seems one tries to approach this ereader as an android tablet, which it is not.
I.m.h.o. it should be seen as an e-reader with capability to run some android apps, which, when seen as that, is amazing.
As a secondary monitor, the best way to use it is in extended mode, where one have documents and similar things on it. Lovely to have a PDF document to the side of my computer while I work on something on my primary monitor.
But... the pricing is horrible. Not worth it at the current pricing.
Would it be ½ the price it might be almost worth it.
he said exactly that in the video...
When looking at a doc in the G Docs app, you can show page breaks with three dot > print layout. The page breaks show up as faint lines
I'm really interested to see how it works for typing, specifically in a terminal. I have a dream of a nice little portable Linux device with an eink display. We will get there some day!
It could be an interesting Emacs machine. I wonder if one could write some hook to refresh the screen after every operation.
I thought what you wanted was a screen on which you could read things off the internet but for longer periods of time, so I think that machine does pretty well considering it's one of the forefront models of e-ink as computer screens, just choose what you want to read on the conventional screen and then lay back and read that text on the e-ink screen, that's reducing backlit screentime.
Man, if Sharp makes Memory LCDs in these sizes, I think that would make a killer tablet/eReader...
Hey, I use that rotation control app too! I use it to mitigate screen burn on my OLED phone by using upside down to flip where UI elements are. I'm not sure if it was addressed in a later video, but the shield icon on the taskbar should force the screen rotation system wide. I have to use it to make my lock screen upside down.
would also say find a service manager for android, because all these google services are gonna eat up most of the battery life with background services. You may need to root it to do that
Wow I'm 99% sure your lock screen is a picture of "Stift Melk", a giant abbey and one of Austrias most visited tourist attraction. I went to school there for 8 years... definitely a must see, it's a Unesco world heritage for a reason.