How GREAT were Seadra & Kingdra ACTUALLY? - History of Seadra & Kingdra in Competitive Pokemon
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Seadra & Kingdra are once again today’s Pokemon for our History Video! Tune in with False Swipe Gaming for this history of Seadra & Kingdra's competitive career! #pokemon #pokemonscarletandviolet #pokemonshowdown
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:03 - RBY/Gen 1
3:12 - GSC/Gen 2
6:00 - ADV/Gen 3
10:38 - DPP/Gen 4
17:16 - BW/Gen 5
23:23 - XY/Gen 6
28:16 - SM/Gen 7
31:04 - SS/Gen 8
35:25 - SV/Gen 9
37:12 - Outro
Directed & Narrated by Kellen
Written By Kevin aka BKC / @bkcplayspokemon
Edited By Connor Nguyen aka CDK / cdk_1989
Game Capture Artist: DarkMusician / of_darkmusician
Songs Used (List of ALL Songs used for this series. Some may or may not make it into the video):
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Игры
The horse council will not be happy
Clutch crossover
It's Seadra Sunday folks
Hahaha!!!
This is insane.
"I understood that reference"
I swear that Kingdra is the quintessential "wait, I thought your stats were higher" Pokemon. It's total is high, but the first time you see it's spread i swear that most people are shocked at the fact it doesn't reach 100 in a single stat
It doesn’t need 95 base attack. Put those points into something else
@@Deadknight237 it does, in singles at least. Kingdra is great in part because you don't know if it runs physical or special
In Doubles/VGC you are almost always running it in Rain for Swift Swim so you already have a 50% boost to those Muddy Waters, etc.
Honestly i had sort of the opposite reaction. I never dabbled much in competitive, but i was surprised when i heard a gen 2 randomizer speedrunner say that kingdra was top A tier. I was like "i didnt think its stats were that good" since to me the only thing it had was good typing/almost no weaknesses. For neutral hits it always seemed like a mid stat pokemon to me.
Usually high speed and high offense is preferred for those runs (like Aerodactyl or Dodrio) but i guess bulk helps when you use X items.
@joeyyoung5173 Physical Kingdra has been very very niche compared to Special Kingdra especially post Gen 4. It's not that you are "guessing" when you see a Kingdra in front of you, you'll assume it's special as Physical Kingdra doesn't cross your mind.
You might want to run it Physical to catch people off guard, but you'd end up with a much *much* worse Pokemon overall as Physical Kingdra has a worse coverage (by a lot actually as on the special side it can use Ice Beam and Hurricane) and raw power and you'd also be running a severely outclassed Physical rain sweeper (why not use Barraskweda, Kabutops, Basculegion etc ?) and if you're trying to do it with a Sniper Set then you're infinitely worse at abusing it since you don't have Draco Meteor to spam. And if you're trying to do a Dragon Dance set then congratulations, you've got like the 25th best DD user available.
Physical Kingdra is a non factor. You could drop it's attack to 55 and increase it's SpA and HP by 20 each and the mon would be a lot better with not a lot lost in the process
The pokedex states that Kingdra and Dragonite regularly fight in ocean storms. If that isn't the most metal thing ever, I don't know what is.
Which one?
Makes sense since Kingdra is a known Creator of storms while Dnite is a well known Rescuer during storms.
@@darkdragon7210Pokémon Sword.
This was actually shown in the anime where Goh used Ash’s Dragonite’s cry to lure one to him
Mega Aggron
“Outclassed by Dewgong” is a sentence I never thought I would hear
Dewgong is starting to have an interesting lower tier history, particularly in Gen 1 UU where it's the best defensive answer to Articuno. But in general Seadra's worse than you think it is, so being outclassed by Dewgong isn't super surprising.
Dewgong is a great in lower tiers pre stealth rocks
-We only have only line of dragon Pokémon, how can we fix that on the sequel?
-Make just one dragon type and make it a trade evolution.
Seadra's evolution into a dragon type is anything but random. In fact it is very strange that Horsea and Seadra aren't+ dragons when they are literally "the Dragon Pokemon"
That is not even the most questionable thing in gen 2 lol
It may have been scrubby, but after the Crit Chance change in Gen 6, I loved the wack strategy of Scope Lens + Focus Energy + Sniper. Hilarious stuff.
I adore that strat so much. It may not be the most optimal, but 100% crit Draco Meteor is amazing.
Does a critical Draco meteor bypass the special attack drop?
@@SkarmoryJr-ov5zy Yes
@@SkarmoryJr-ov5zy There's a WeedleTwineedle video where she was abusing glitched Dragon Cheer to abuse Draco Meteor in doubles
@@MrCactuar13 thanks for telling me
Kingra is so cool. It is a prime candidate for a mega.
Would be cool to see another evolution of Seadra too.
Or a variant like Paldean Tauros
It’s not popular (Charizard) and it’s not already broken (mence)
It has no chance
@@GravityIsFallingaudino Banette and glalie
@@GravityIsFallingbro forgot about Mawile and Kangaskhan
The horse council’s victory is now all but inevitable
“The truly old among us will remember when Seadra was a fully evolved Pokemon.”
You really trying to start something on a Sunday?
I was super attached to my Kingdra in HGSS because it took max friendship to learn Draco Meteor and well i got very into the concept
i mean i liked all of my pokemons but i'd imagine me patting its head
It's stories/memories like these that make Pokémon special to us!
😊. And I have one in my platinum.
Molly using Kingdra against Misty’s Goldeen in the 3rd Movie was just overkill 😢
Mistys Goldeen wouldve swept a regular Kingdra
Nah misty goldeen was a weakling
@@booshbear How?
She GameSharked the hell out of it
Then again, Misty looked Kingdra dead in the face first and still decided Goldeen was a good idea
Kingdra really is the poster child for how insanely power crept Pokémon has become, balanced stats nowadays really don't seem to take you far due to how absurdly minimaxed a lot of the new mons are.
Idk about the poster child, Tauros and Snorlax exist
@@eliyaskiya Tauros got screwed over more by mechanic changes than powercreep to be honest.
And Snorlax tends to be good in most tiers it ends up nowadays. Snorlax issue really is that it lacks reliable recovery outside of Rest which is pretty bad for a tanky pokémon, it doesn't even learn Wish.
@@sussy3778snorlax untiered right now… but yes primarily a recovery issue
@@sussy3778 Snorlax should learn Slack off. Makes no sense why GF didnt give him that
@@rubadub15 Yeah. Being a slow bulky attacker without reliable recovery really hurts it.
Sad thing is that stat-wise Snorlax is actually not that behind, and it's movepool and abilities are amazing, but lacks the one thing that makes or breaks most walls.
Oh man, I remember struggling to break through Kingdra in Crystal with my Typhlosion. Good times. Here's to the nostalgia!
Shoutout to everyone that wanted to use kingdra in the early gens, but never had anyone to trade with 😢
Wow I just realized Kingdra basically has Gen 1 Seadra’s same stats except 20 more HP and 30 more Attack. I guess the type-transformations in Gen 2 weren’t supposed to be focused on stats but on the better typing, like in the case of Scizor that gets no stat increases (just redistribution).
Steelix:
@@fulltimeslackerii8229I mean that was needed though 😂
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 It got harder. But also slower.
Don't forget 50 more Special Defense as of Gen 2
@@tktyga77 Wrong, they decreased Seadra’s special defense, and gave Kingdra the special defense that Sedra used to have when special was one stat.
I remember long time ago having a Pokemon coloring book that contained a page to let you draw and design your own "future" pokemon when gen 1 was all we had in the States. My older sister drew what she wanted to see which at the time was a evolution of her favorite mon Seadra. I don't think I have the book anymore, but I do remember her drawing of a glittery purple and blue Seadra evolution with queen motifs and long seaweed tendrils. Funny how Kingdra is what we got in reality, which ended up being one of MY favorite pokemon. Would love a mainline game to give us access to full Kingdra early on again.
I think Kingdra is one of the most underrated Dragon Types. Even if it's no Psuedo-legandary, it's still awesome
What makes Kingdra stand out is that fantastic type combination. Back in Gen 2-4, when its only weakness was Dragon, was an absolute menace.
The mention of Clefable rising to UU in gen 1 makes me think about Clefable's weird journey in competitive Pokemon. A generation by generation analysis of Clefable would be almost completely out of order, as its usage in earlier generations is inspired by its performance in gen 6. Strip away Clef's gen 6 and gen 5 buffs and you're still left with a solid Pokemon.
the Remakes are always my favorite, when Tyranitar comes, may God bless you
That one might actually be a movie.
Kingdra was always one of favourite lower tier pokemon. It just has a cool factor that other pokemon don't in my eyes. Plus water dragon is just a good type
I still think that I'd like to see ZU coverage from gens 7 onward, because they're really interesting metagames, even if they aren't official.
And for him to stop referring to ZU as untiered.
I remember using Focus Energy + Scope Lens + Sniper. Not the most effective but auto crit ignoring Draco Meteros Spatk drop was fun
For context in gen 9 kingdra is number 1 in ZU usage, wish fsg brought this tier up
Always loved Kingdra. Cool design and cool typing.
Not mentioning the advent of Fairy types or the addition of the move Freeze-Dry in Gen 6 is wild
I mean tbf most fairies got smashed by water stab
@@terractus9972 Belly Drum Azumarill was Kingdra’s #1 check for awhile, especially Specs Kingdra
@@austinsmothers9868 azu was mentioned in the video already
@@terractus9972 Man, during the Gen 6 section, the only Fairy type he mentioned was Whimsicott. Azumarill was good because it could switch in on Dracos and OHKO with Play Rough, as well as Altaria getting a Mega and being able to DD all over the place. Not to mention that Xerneas and Klefki are also huge reasons why Kingdra wasn’t even thought of in XY Ubers.
@@terractus9972Kingdra also has flash canon
Relicanth doesn't need an additional evolution to be perfect. We need a video discussing it's perfection
Sounds like a topic for BKC
a simple stat restribution would be enough, take out 15 attack and put it in spa, then 5 from each defense and put it on its hp, now it would have 85 hp, 80 attack, 90 defense, 110 special attack, 90 special defense and 85 speed, it would still have the balanced stat feel that they wanted while making it a bit bulkier and much more dangerous
This is probably more “Kingdra stats” than Kingdra’s actual stats lol
@@silver_was_found i aimed for something like that, i hope they update old mons like this to fight power creep
So that raises a question. What new tools would you be willing to give Kingdra?
@@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060 at best nasty plot, with those stats and abilities it doessnt need anything else
I was just looking for a new upload. Perfect timing
I like how back in the day the original videos were about how bad certain pokemon were in OU... now you have something positve to say even if they are in the lower tiers...
That's the main lesson of Pokemon. Every Pokemon has some use. It just depends on the user v
@@natsusatsujinki8342 except Ledian
Seahorses IRL look at Kingdra’s acceptable Speed with envy.
I may be more of a Dragalge person but I LOVE this line. Majestic and weird Dragon fish!
i got here 20 seconds after the upload, its like my birthday
Kigndra has always been one of the coolest water types! But also one of the many reasons I can't stand that the only way to obtain the trade pokes is if you do trade them with other folks. There's no reason why there can't be NPCs who trade you for these mons.
Never forget that one girl in Sinnoh with the Haunter. (:
Truly one of the most heinous moves of all time.
Kingdra do be the early goated "Water-Dragon-Like" Pokemon!!!!!!!!
Truly kinging the dra...
I still use Kingdra in rain. Tera water and weatherball hits harder than my drunk step-dad when I don’t give him his beer after work
I was just looking for a new upload. Perfect timing.
For BW, I’m surprised that BKC didn’t mention that the “BAN KINGDRA” crisis was going on at the same time that Darkrai, Genesect, and EVERY Deoxys (including Deo-A) was in the tier- and Swift Swim Perma Rain Kingdra was almost universally considered MORE broken then them.
truly one of the tiers of all time
It is nice to have this focus on Kingdra, definitely one of second gen's more memorable Pokemon and with some good highs.
Had a thought mind. One of Kingdra's talking points was that it was only weak to dragon before fairy came along, which raises an interesting what-if; how do you think the metagames would have adjusted if fairy-type had been in Pokemon since the very beginning?
Gen 1 would be wild. One Steel type, assuming it's retroactively applied to Magneton, and no good Poison moves. Clefable would effectively have no weaknesses.
@@JJNWSGHOST0299 I know Mr Mime would be loving life in gen two if it had fairy back then. Beats dark with fairy STAB, beats poison with psychic STAB, the steel types are all slow and can be handled with Fire Punch, and the ghost types aren't particularly threatening outside of like destiny bond or something XD
Mr.Mime would literally be one of the best mons in RBY just because it got a pinky type.
Fairy type really is a huge buff on any mon that gets it.@@ES-dp6tw
Sniper Kingdra with focus energy and scope lens, while fairly niche, is pretty fun
Especially with draco meteor
My favorite swift swim/sniper sweeper kingdra 🗣️🗣️
0:10 GET OUT OF MY HEAD
Me too dude :c
I could've sworn the thumbnail changed. I thought the most current photo of Kingdra was facing to the left, not the camera
We need a regional form or something to bring Kingdra back
Or maybe a mega. Just something. Anything.
Also shoutout to that poor Kingdra that Totodile essentislly waterlogged by biting its mouth shut so it couldn't hydro pump
The dragon water type is such a cool combo.
Water/dragon is an insane typing only having two weaknesses being dragon and fairy.
Could you imagine if pokemon like Gyrados or Dragonite were given water/dragon as a type combination?
Ones you don't expect to see
waiting for the counterparts to complete:
- Carracosta
- Seviper
- other gen 5 monkeys
- Gothitelle
- Alola Starters
- Tornadus
And I guess we could finish up Gen 2 with Sunflora, Magcargo (Slugma Male Grindset paying off when?) and Corsola. I think those are the only gen 2 Pokemon left to wrap it up.
Seadra is one of mid stage evos that desperately needs some sort of buff(s) alongside its evo, but in slightly different ways (albeit in large part stemming from their rather shallow movepools). That said, I really like how your remake videos are covering more of the initially fully evolved pokes' careers instead of ending said points to once they get their evos, & I'd have thought it'd be a one-off thing with Onix & Steelix. Brings more need to recognize Middle Cup and/NFE tiers as full out metagame tiers like how Little Cup does so than ever before
Before fairy type, dragon/water was probably the best defensive type you could hope for. Add that on top of really even stats and access to either dragon dance or swift swim and boom, you have a very versatile pokemon that can adapt to many tiers.
Kingdra needs a stat update. An even stat spread in a game with meta overspecialization won't cut it.
Finally, one of my favorite mons ever. Can't wait to watch this!
I just got this channel recommended for the first time in months glad to be back
The answer to Kingdra's buff is simple. Give the man a mega form
The rain king
Kabutops and omastar eat your heart out
The tyranitar remake finna be crazy
YIPPIE ITS KINGDRA TIME FINALLY! Surely nothing will be said to absolutely smite my hype rn! I can't wait for a positive retrospective on the king of seadra babyyyy
Kingdra...UNTIERED!?! We are way past the point of insanity!
If you are ever worried if a strong water with swift swim was not good in smogon look no further than gen 5.
Kingdra and Ludicolo will always be the best Swift Swimmers in my books.
I literally just evolved a shiny seadra in Pokémon go and just maxed out a level 100 kingdra in sword then this drops 😭😭😭 Kingdra is so GOATED to me and severely underrated
"Dropped it down the elevator shaft" thats a Dr. Drake Ramoray moment right there
the only mon kingdra fears- empoleon
It's incredible that they covered Seadra in RBY NU even though it's super kneesh. Keep it up!
Will always think it’s crazy they didn’t do increase kingdra’s speed or sp atk with the evo. Like, you give it 10-15 in either stat and it might actually have a chance.
Kingdra really deserves a stat buff. Mega Kingdra would be epic but even just a 10 base point increase in its attacking stats would go a long way
A water or dragon type high crit move might go hard for kingdra too, allowing for Kingdra to use other items on its Sniper varient
Going into dream buff territory though, imagine mega kingdra having an ability that combines swift swim and sniper together! Unlease the Dragon Hailstorm muhahahaha~
40 minutes on favorite water horse. Love to see it.
Kingdra still is a awesome Pokémon especially with tera. Its lack of coverage, average speed and lack of offensive power is what holds its back compared to other dragons. It’s a shame it never got nasty plot, calm mind or bulk up to bolster its boosting sweeper potential. Hoping one day it gets an expanded movepool and more coverage (sludge bomb, flamethrower, energy ball, psychic, etc.)
The wording at 5:55 makes me imagine these videos in the context of like, a job interview. Like “Would you like to explain the gap in your resume around gens 4-5?”
Do donphan the next, donphan is one of the few pokemon that have survived gen9, amazing gen for him, despite his low stats, he is Uu, in one of the most aggressive gens in power crept, he obtained 2 paradox variants, great Tusk being king in Ou, and Iron Treads was king in Uu, before he returned to Ou, Donphan is one of the biggest winners of the gen
Such a captivating upload.
Kingdra honestly feels like a really underwhelming evolution stat wise from gen 1 to 2 seadra only effectively gained 20 attack and hp and dragon typing at a cost of 50 special defence thanks to the special change
Glad to see some Critdra representation in here, was never sure if it was remotely competitive or just pure meme
"Kingdra defeated OU" is terrifyingly accurate
How BROKEN was Swift Swim + Drizzle + Water/Dragon typing in Gen 5 ACT--
Uh-huh.
It's worth mentioning for those who don't know: crits also ignore your own attack drops, which makes draco meteor free
Really hope Kingdra gets a new form, like a Mega or something. Feels weird that Clair showing her development in the post game or tournaments is showcased by her Dragonair evolving.
The ride and fall of Kingdra, unlike the everising Amoonguss
“Ancient Lore….” Me: *Rapidly ages*
I just watched the original last week 😭😭 bro got so much material
Is horsea a horse?
I'm not too sure, I don't think it learns High Horsepower. 🤔
@@Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty The Council will decide het fate.
And to think, Kingdra lasted as long as it did before becoming Untiered without a single base stat over 100. Such is the power of Swift Swim.
Also, Tyranitar remake when?
The Horsea line is one of my favorites and it's kinda sad that I've never used one in a playthrough.
kingdra needs a stat buff and a boosting move for its special attack
Ibuki and Adan are famous for having Kingdra.
I love it. The Queendra. Shiny Kingdra is amazing
Seadra randomly getting Poison Point as its primary ability makes it seem like Dragalge might have been intended as an alternate evolution at first. Maybe Seadra can get one now that Gamefreak is doing new evolutions again
Big shout-out to Joseph Brummett for making it to 10th with a 4 shiny squad. That is just awesome
I swear I have a primal fear of Kingdra since it was my first time playing Firered and instinctively thought Kingdra is a major threat in Elite Four.
If it gained Freeze-Dry, it would go up a tier or two.
Kingdra is my favorite pokemon. Loved using choice specs kingdra in BW OU before they banned swift swim with drizzle.
9:38 It always weirded me out that BOTH Horsea and Kingdra got Swift Swim, but Seadra alone got Poison Point
I once used a GTS glitch in generation 4 to make my Seadra evolve into a Kingdra without actually trading it.
I still have that Kingdra
I remember seadra being my second favorite only next to dragonite. Then it got an evolution and it became my favorite
Dragalge, magcargo, drifblim or rotom and all of his forms! 💪💪💪
I started watching when you first dropped the Blastoise video, I’m surprised Kingdra is just now coming up
Gen 9 powercreep is simply out of this world.
MY GOAT !
Kingdra was an underrated Rain sweeper in OU but it did need something to bait and destroy Toxapex. Also seeing Kingdra destroy Mudsdale hurt my heart :(
playing radical red while watching this w vid