Please don’t. REW and measuring rooms requires extensive knowledge in acoustics. If he does create a video you’ll only learn the software itself. You need a type 1 sound measurement microphone to have measurements of any accuracy. There are plenty of existing online tutorials as well. As much as I love my guy in the video, he’s not an acoustician.
I'm SOO glad there's a competitor to Sound ID! There's a huge flaw with how it handles top end in any other mode than normal in higher resolutions than 44.1k. When I called their support they basically shrugged their shoulders and said so what, you can't hear that high anyway. This is not true as the only reason I noticed is because i heard some differance and went looking for what it was doing with ddmf. The fact there is another option now is great for two reasons. Firstly I can change to using something else, but also it might kick Sonarworks up the butt into fixing their program properly! ❤❤❤
Its nearly the Same routine like you do with the Neumann DSP Monitors. Even the software has some similarities. Neumann said for the reason that this Mic is an omnidirectional you have to point it upwards everytime an not to point it to the speakers. Looks like Frauenhofer work not only with neumann. Thats great. 🙂
I use ARC 3 in my treated mixing room and I found it rectified a couple of areas which couldn't be fixed with treatment. The real surprise was that my stereo image which was already very good got even better with ARC 3 as it does do some phase alignment. Now I'm hoping that IK M are offering an crossgrade because having the external box is a game changer for me. 😎
@Cr3pit0 I feel you. Especially if it's not gonna make a major difference that would be money wasted. Hopefully someone will do a comparison between the two.
It’d be cool to see one of these room correction reviews that includes an eq sweep to see results after correction is applied. It’d also tell you what moves worked and where the room still has problems. More info the better, these companies seem to skip this part. Always need to test after making corrections. Thanks for the videos! ❤
Ye I thought about that too. You can do it in 3rd party software, but you would think if they were confident in their own products results, they would let you see how well it works!
Please show some of your room treatment and the reasons behind it, now that you have multiple camera angles. ;). I guess that's where it goes wrong for most people in the first place.
I've used Sonarworks for a long time, and I am super happy with that (Cubase user, so can plonk it on the controll-room and never have troubles bouncing with plugin on) - however, a solution that has no latency feels interesting to me. You've done a Sonarworks video back in the day, how do you feel this compares? And thanks for all the informative and entertaining videos. Much love
Who told you that this has no latency? I think it doesn't matter if it is between your audio interface and monitors, or inside the computer itself, processing time is the same, it may be the opposite is true because now you have extra cables and device which lengthen the way of the signal to go from one place to another + the processing time. But feel free to fix me if I'm wrong.
LOL, electricity travels at 3 000 000 meters per second through the cable. You'd need cables that are so long that signal loss would destroy your signal way before latency becomes an issue. The box doesn't do anything complicated, it's extremely unlikely that it adds more than a couple of ms in latency (This is usually marketed as is "no latency" because if you can't confidently tell how much of the measured latency is caused by the device and the measurement tools/method itself because of margins of error, then marketers will interpret that as the product being perfect. :) ) Edit: Fixed speed of electricity missed a zero.
There's an important problem not mentioned. If there's separate correction on each side, then the placement of the mic is crucial. If your room is symmetrical, but the measurements aren't you'll be getting some very weird differences between L&R, especially if there's any kind of time correction like Sonar Works. If your room isn't, you may not hear the problem clearly, but it will still be there. I think correcting headphones with EQ is viable, but rooms can only be corrected physically. In my experience correcting with EQ is either different but equal or worse, never better. There can be some small "icing" added, but it needs to be done by someone experienced who knows they can only make a few minimal changes, rather than try to fix anything fundamental.
please I wanted to ask could you provide the Frequency Response calibration file for The Arc Mic so I could use it with Sonarworks Reference ID software
At 14:22 you describe every issue I have had with Windows-based SonarWorks Systemwide failures....after many years of back and forth with their dev team, they just can't get a systemwide ASIO system to function correctly.....
01:35 Aren't you curious to know what your already calibrated loudspeaker (chain) looks like according to the ARC? Because it would reveal the "goodness" of the room, what can't be fixed. Or you already did it, just not share? 16:07 I don't even understand why, if it detects that your speaker can't deliver your bass or high, the system is trying to force it. Why not measure back the problem frequencies corrected and then you would know not to correct unnecessarily there? Or you could enter the driver data fs,qt, vs, etc:-) or read from database if it a Adam, Genelec, etc. 17:00 The system could also detect standing waves and not try to correct them. It seems like a DSP mini I would like to see the inside:-). And what is the delay?
Great content, grat little box! I was using Sonarworks SoundID on a separate computer with a Lynx Hilo connected via Thunderbolt. The systems worked independently from my DAW (on another Mac-Studio), so no plugins were used in my DAW or system-wide. The latency is virtually nonexistent. Essentially, I am achieving the same functionality as with this small box. I initially desired the Trinnov system, but it was too expensive once I factored in the cost of having a separate "recorder"(Hilo) for the printing process (I am using a summing device). Therefore, by implementing a second computer (mac mini m1), I have saved a significant amount of money. Now, with this ARC device, I can switch to it and discontinue using the second Mac Mini that I currently use for SoundID. The question is: Will be better, or should I wait to get the Trinnov Nova? Keep it up with the great content!!
Interesting, have you ever measured the latency? Can you get it low enough to track with? I have a slightly unorthodox setup where i loop back to an instance of sonarworks so that i can monitor the analogue output of my desk and daw all corrected... then switch to another monitor source to bypass it when tracking in the control room. Works really well but I'm so used to the corrected sound i hate having to bypass it if im tracking guitars in the control room for example.
Yes, I am able to track with it with no issues. The latency depends on how you monitor it. I use direct monitoring from my Motu interface (not with DAW/Logic Pro X). So, I track while listening with the Sound ID corrections and experience almost no latency(about 1.2ms). One important note is that when I contacted a professional from SweetW, they told me that what I wanted to do wouldn't work. However, when I reached out to Lynx directly, they pointed out that if I do this, I should use an interface for the computer with Sound ID exclusively through Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt connects directly to the processor as if it were a PCI Express (very fast). In contrast, USB needs to go through its own controller unless it is a USB on the motherboard natively. Therefore, I have been using it like this for almost 2 years and I am really happy with it, mostly because I can track, mix and master with room corrections all the time.
hi i listened to this on a high end system and the correction took out all the mid low from the snare...(probably the desk modal you were talking about)...is this desireble? because the original sounds more full and better to me. So when you would have used the corection with the same mix you would have ended up with too much mid low, right? Or is this just something you have to get used to over time? Maybe this system is more for people with problems (studio with too many reflexions, no good absorbtion, lot of bass problems, hard to get a mix right etc)
Perhaps you could do updated in depth sample rate video? It is quite the change to go from 192 to 48 to 96 over the years, if I remember correctly. I'm sure you have lot to talk about on this subject.
I know about a REW tutorial from Groove3 by doing the 7 point measure, but I want to see more people using it for measurements and for calibration practice. I wasn't totally convinced about using an ir file in a convolution plugin, but perhaps i find it too "simple" ? Please take your time to do REW one day :D
Good video. But it doesn't correct phase issues like Trinov Nova or Neumann MA-1 does... OK, the Trinov is another price class, but anyway. Digital input (SPDIF) would also be a very nice addition to this unit to prevent extra ADDA conversion. Zero latency is great though! (as I read on their website)
Hi, very interesting unit! I got some questions for the workflow with it: How do you switch between multiple monitors then? Even with a monitor controller, switching the monitors on with the box inbetween doesn’t switch the different captures of every pair of monitors which you saved. So you would have to load it / change it every time you switch monitors, when you want to have the correction of both simultaniously inside the plugin? Or can you use 2 boxes for two different monitors? would that work? When i listen to mixes i like to move fast back and forth between my speakers. That would be impossible with this using one arc box and one monitor controller right? Best regard
I’m wondering how the converters in that little box will impact sound quality. Why spend several thousand dollars on high end converters only to route it through that device at the end?
I'm not going to bypass my burl or prism converters for a box, that costs 239 € for a mic, an interface with converters and a software ! I once believed that 100 bucks piece of gear could compete with 1000 bucks ones. But I dunnot anymore after comparing. I don't talk about the software here. Just about the hardware stuff like converters, psu etc...
@@kadiummusic Mixbus may say it’s transparent but David is using Trinov, if you use Burl or Dangerous conversion you wouldn’t put this between your speakers. At least I wouldn’t
I didn't know, I own an Anubis and thought the Neumann is the same with a different badge and a USB connection....Apparently Not.@@royaltyfreemusiccollective8662
Ironically he is using it with the Neumann MT48 which is based on the Merging+ Anubis which can run Sonarworks on the interface but Neumann removed this feature for their version !
Nah... I like the idea of this considering the last plugin version i tried crashed my computer every time I tried to use it. But I have very high quality AD/DA conversion, and this, it becomes pointless.
BUT beware! The effects of room correction are always level dependent. And yet there is no intelligent global master gain processor that can do that with a high certainty
Omg if it had been about 19cm, I wouldn't gotten it. It's a ween joke. Jeez. I think, culturally, that joke didn't exactly translate. Probably for the better.
Thumbs down to IK Multimedia and ARC Studio. Instructions (what instructions??) were a mystery. Their online registration & activation process is a bloody nightmare!! After a week of constant failures, I gave up in frustration and returned the product... and I'm NOT sorry.
Cant believe you didnt at least compare your main room monitors that is sweat az, , to what the ARC system may have said was bad , nor great, but ok? Simply, It would show the faults in the ARC system..... or, what would happen if they translated better ? For me, Devils Advocate...... would of loved too see how it translated your main system... Just sayin',
@eastudio Response curves.... Thats all.. wasnt a go at you.. Just be interesting, If your rooms in the pocket, be interesting to see the eq curve options.... Love your content. Been here since you mapping out Analog synth circuits... Simple schematics , but important as to the way & how....Def FTW! Then again, could of mixed you up with someone else..... ;) Beers & Cheers from OZ.
I would stay on the chair in front of your desk as if you were mixing when you do the measurements. Humans are also absorbers, so that is the real room situation when we are mixing. To be empty space in front of the speakers with only the microphone will miss 1 important factor/absorber. You!
I actually thought the same thing so I reached out the IK and they said that it doesn't matter at all because the technology doesn't matter if you're sitting there or not. I don't know why but that's what they said. When I did it in my room I still sat in my listening position just in case LOL
@@beatarcheologzt Thanks. Me personally still think it matters, whatever they say. I am 97 kg, so 97 kg absorber LOL So it def. changes the acoustic in front of the desk :-)
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Have you checked about Neumann KH750 subwoofer + room correction system? Since I have this setup (with Focal ST TWIN as the satellite speakers) I've been really happy about this whole setup.
You should check out the Trinnov Nova!! Just got it set up in my studio this week and it’s mind blowing! The thing I love most is that it handles phase. Great review as usual!
@@thomasbroker69 DOES it? Do we have confirmation on that? I know the tech is by no means new and has existed on consumer entertainment system receivers now for a very long time... But, if we got confirmation on that, that would be pretty important to know.
It seems really nice I just don't like the idea of having nice converters on my interface and then bypassing those with the Nova. The Nova's only doing what it's supposed to, but I feel like there's a loss in investment. (Same would be true for ARC.)
Yes, this was my immediate reaction. A good S/PDIF input would have been easier to implement than the ADC stage. This seems to me to be a pretty significant oversight.
You know there's monitor FX inserts in Reaper, right? That's where my room correction goes and it's always on by default, independent of the project I'm running. Since it comes after the master buss there's no chance of accidentally rendering down a mix with the room correction applied to it.
I use ARC 3 on Mac and route all system audio via SoundSource with the ARC plugin inserted on that. No risk of baking room-corrected signal into an export plus all system sound is corrected, not just DAW. Also vs this unit there's one less layer of a/d/a.
The only issue with changing the mic from horizontal to vertical is that these type of omni mic have slightly diferant frequemcy responce at 0 deg vs 180 deg, and often come with 2 freq responce charts or two calibration files seperatly for both positions because of it. It's minor, and if you have no way to hold the mic still at higher spots, is probably better than not doing it. However, if someone want really super acurate results, this could throw the measurements off by a few tenths of a DB in places possibly.
As an visual graphics designer I'm a bit OCD about colors so every time I see Vytse's nails I feel like he should paint them in his studio's colors (white and red) 😂
OMG an ikMultimedia review!!!?!?!?!? I still can't believe they haven't sent you some MTM monitors. I actually just purchased a second set for my new studio!
I'm a huge fan of mtm ! Just amazing for the price tag and performances ! Of course I kinda like my bigger Adams (s3h) or focal (love those sm9 to death) but those mtm are blowin' me away anytime I use them.
The one thing missing is subwoofer correction, specifically phase aligning the subwoofer with the monitors. I don't know why this overlooked in products like this because proper phase alignment between a sub and the monitors is equally important.
Definitely important. The Trinnov unit I use can do amazingly precise subwoofer alignment, but there's really nothing at the price-point of ARC or Sonarworks that covers subs.
I'm finding that product a bit critical to be honest... First of I'm a fan of ARC and am using ARC3 at the moment. But the need for a hardware unit just to hear the correction outside of the DAW is just stupid. That would be easily and cheaper solved with proper software development. If ARC wouldn't only be a plugin but also a Standalone Software to be inserted before the System Output the problem that IK created themselves would not be a problem at all. There is a program for Mac users called SoundSource (which costs around 40-50 bucks) that will simply let you put plugins before your output or input devices (also great for getting nerdy insights while listening to music). So no need to turn the plugin of unless you're switching to headphones. But that is also just one click with SoundSource. And Windows will also have a lot of options for this. Also pretty much all modern interfaces, also the cheap ones have almost no coloration and are super clean. This just sounds like IK trying to make more money and letting the customer pay more for their development errors.
I'm still really happy with my good old KRK Ergo - digital input and functions as a monitor controller so that's one less box on the desk. Very similar concept but only operates on the low end (
Don't know why you're going on about forgetting to insert or un-insert a room correction plugin, you're using Reaper dude, just put it on the monitoring buss! If you have an interface with multiple outs and different sets of monitors you could even use multiple instances of room correction for each set and use the plugin pin connectors in reaper to only route the correction to the appropriate monitors.
This device is great if you have an analog mixer conected directly to your monitors so you can have the same correction you get when using the Daw output for instance.
Good review. I've been saying for a while that someone needs to make a hardware unit at this end of the market for those of us who can't afford a Trinnov or don't want to / can't afford to switch out our speakers for Neumanns, Genelecs or such like. I've been using SoundID Reference in my non-ideal room and it's been a revelation. I'm really tempted by this box as it will allow me to correct for external sources (vinyl, synths etc) without needing to run the DAW or hijack software (another cost). It would be improved with a simple hardware remote to allow for switching speaker profiles without the software and I'd love to see a version with two outputs that can switch profiles when you switch speakers - I do use that feature in Sonarworks.
This device has no use at all because it has no digital in/out output. Your stuck with their crappy A/D conversion to be clear !!! Its missing the point !!!!!!
I'm pretty sure you can actually run Sonarworks on the Neuman interface, which might be an even more interesting option. How about doing a video on that?
There is one thing I don't understand. This microphone measures the frequencies of the room but does it take into account the fact that the engineer is in the room?
Wytse, I'm really curious what your big speakers look like on the ARC analysis graph. It'd be fun just to see. You could just do the 7-point measurement and measure both with and without your usual room correction and see what ARC comes up with. I've been using this software for years and recently I had my setup in a very odd place that had some extreme nodes. The ARC analysis told me a lot.
I always though that by default a mic is an 8 figure (?), just because the capsule has 2 sides. Anyway expect some degree of coloration when tilting the mic.
Your channel is the best. Others who claim they are Pro, even businesses who do this for a living (allegedly), have their bottom-end boosted way too much for male voice, as if everyone out here in LALA Land has 6x9 triax car speakers in no cabinet, and worse, quite often. Thanks !!!
Soundworks has absolutely abysmal support for their 'reference' software. Not only that, at 4K with default 150% size increase shoves the button for the first step outside the non-adjustable window presented, which took them over two weeks of back-and-forth to understand with Zero resolution, then refused refund, saying, "We do not do any Accessibility testing." DOH! 150% is the friggin' default on 4k monitors for Windows 10, not under Accessibility. REW from now on.
Concerning the AD/DA conversion I will quote someone: "I’m a recording/mastering engineer of 25 years and have studied & teach digital audio processing academically. Processing multiple times with high quality gear isn’t that bad IMO. The first time it’s processed with an AD/DA conversion is where most of the change/degradation is going to occur (assuming sample rates and bit depth are consistent through each additional AD/DA conversion). The sample rate is going to constrain the audio in the first conversion, removing any frequencies above 1/2 of the sample rate (see Nyquist theorem.) With virtually all modern gear, those are going to be out of the range of human hearing. We started out at sample rates of 44.1k, so maximum frequency it could capture was 22.05kHz. These days, a lot of gear is sampling at 96k and higher. You would think that 44.1k is sufficient because human hearing is 20hz to 20k, but the conversion process has to use really steep low pass filters to remove anything above 1/2 sample rate in order to not geek the converters. The steep LPF’s can introduce phase and distortion in frequencies we are capable of hearing, hence the move to higher sample rates in order to get the issues way out of the audible frequency range. The other is the bit depth - virtually everything is 24 bit fixed point these days, which sets the dynamic range. Some processors are operating at 32 or even 48 but floating point internally - which is great from an internal processing standpoint, but it doesn’t make much of a difference from a bypass standpoint. The A to D converter is still operating at 24 bit. I’m of the opinion that several 96k/24 bit AD and DA conversions in a row aren’t going to make much difference based on practical experience. There are definitely some cork sniffers that will tell you otherwise. These are usually the same guys that will try to sell you oxygen free cables for their superior jitter characteristics (or some other voodoo physics based product.) The last 20 years have been a huge change. In 2001, we had just gotten to the first pretty decent 48k/24bit converters and 96k was being used in some situations where processing could support it,but things were very expensive. Since then, things have become miniaturized - which allows them to be used in pedals - and have become much cheaper. Early on, some older digital units were running at 32k. I can’t remember exactly but things like the Spx 90 and Alesia quadraverb were in this era. With that sample rate, 16k would be the highest sampled frequency and you’d have some distortion, but in those cases it imparted a sound that people found pleasing." So basically, your room will never, ever be so good, that it's not worth going through an additional conversion to correct it. I don't care what room you're in.
@@alexbreyer6921My monitors have included room correction. Of course room correction makes sense. My comment points out how AD/DA conversion really isn't a big factor anymore.
@@akagerhard I see. Yhe comments from the cork sniffers seem to shoot this down as possibly good DA. I say if you like your speakers and you trust room correction, how bad would the conversion have to be for you to be making terrible mixes? But something this affordable they can't imagine being as good as a high end converter.
@@alexbreyer6921Top class AD/DA conversion doesn't need to be expensive. In fact, in terms of DACs specifically the very budgetfriendly Topping hardware is smoking the competition for quite some while now. But also in terms of ADCs the price is not determining quality. For example the Topping E2x2 Audio Interface was tested in a review from Amir, Founder of Audio Science Review. The Topping interface's ADC performed better than RMEs Babyface Pro FS while only costing a fourth of the price. Still, my interface is from RME (it's older). However, in the current situation the only rational reason to invest in big expensive brands is for support, updates and possibly longevity, not for performance. This time, I will save my comment. If it gets deleted again, I will simply copy and paste it.
@@alexbreyer6921 Top class AD/DA conversion doesn't need to be expensive. In fact, in terms of DACs specifically the very budgetfriendly Topping hardware is smoking the competition for quite some while now. But also in terms of ADCs the price is not determining quality. For example the Topping E2x2 Audio Interface was tested in a review from Amir, Founder of Audio Science Review. The Topping interface's ADC performed better than RMEs Babyface Pro FS.
Hi Wytse, have you ever heard of the KRK Ergo system? It was basically exactly this, but then with some extra features that were really well thought out, like an SPDIF input to bypass abother stage of conversion. Sadly they stopped selling these units after a rather short period. Never understood why, because it seems like a lot of people have interest in a hardware system like this and it always seemed MUCH superior to the soundID software route....
I purchased this exact system and I’m having one issue. After I’m done analyzing, saving and then quitting; I then go to the arc 4 software and it remains neutral with no data from my analysis. It says my results are not being saved to my device. Can u please help me?
Hey! I am thinking of buying this. A friend of mine is sure however that the same can be done with a condenser mic and match eq using white noise. Any thoughts on this? Is there a workaround with stock plugins that can mimic this? Thanks
14:09 Having room correction applied on a mix will not be a thing to REAPER thanks to MonitorFX (an FX chain which works at REAPER level, for all projects, higher level than the master, so not in the render chain).
And yup, you're wrong about measurement mics. They are mostly omnidirectional but the shape of the microphone still affects the highs. A measure pointing toward the speaker is a direct field measurement. A measure pointing up is a diffuse field measurement. You need to check the docs of the mic to know if it is optimized for one or another. Any manufacturer knowing what they are doing will supply two calibration files with the mic, one for 0° of incidence and one for 90°.
Is it not more astute to invest in speakers which load the room correctly? Rather than spending money on DSP to compensate for your systems inadequacies.
That's the reason why I'm deleting my sub to them, because they're becoming channels full of ads. If they want to stay independent, they have to relay on other incomes (e.g. donations).
Those measurement mics are omni directional, but not really. Read up on free-field vs diffuse-field measurements. There is quite a bit difference in the hi freq measurement results between the two approaches.
Well you certainly will have some diffrences comparing horizontal and vertical messurment placements even for omnidirectional. I think especially in the high end (where mics anyways are not all that super precise) like from 4khz oneards ofren. Low end does not matter so much. Thats why you often have verticla and horizontal correction files. You are also able to messure in an angle soemtines thays beneficial but overall the best way is to just keep your microphone position constant. In your case anyways at the end i am not sure if it rly has thay much influence anyways becayse you dont do that all that super rigerous but year vertical and horizontal can sometimes have 2+ db diffrence so it adds ontop of the error. (Purely objectivly again practically its arguably not that important afterall)
I got a question if I wanna use this box with my UAD Volt 1 and just use 2 XLR to Jack cables to connect to this box it should work the same way am I right ?
Yes, please make a Room EQ Wizard in depth tutorial!😊
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Please don’t. REW and measuring rooms requires extensive knowledge in acoustics. If he does create a video you’ll only learn the software itself. You need a type 1 sound measurement microphone to have measurements of any accuracy.
There are plenty of existing online tutorials as well.
As much as I love my guy in the video, he’s not an acoustician.
I'm SOO glad there's a competitor to Sound ID! There's a huge flaw with how it handles top end in any other mode than normal in higher resolutions than 44.1k. When I called their support they basically shrugged their shoulders and said so what, you can't hear that high anyway. This is not true as the only reason I noticed is because i heard some differance and went looking for what it was doing with ddmf.
The fact there is another option now is great for two reasons. Firstly I can change to using something else, but also it might kick Sonarworks up the butt into fixing their program properly!
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Yeah if ARC takes off like I think it is. Sonarworks is gonna have to come back with a solid response to this one
Its nearly the Same routine like you do with the Neumann DSP Monitors. Even the software has some similarities. Neumann said for the reason that this Mic is an omnidirectional you have to point it upwards everytime an not to point it to the speakers. Looks like Frauenhofer work not only with neumann. Thats great. 🙂
I use ARC 3 in my treated mixing room and I found it rectified a couple of areas which couldn't be fixed with treatment. The real surprise was that my stereo image which was already very good got even better with ARC 3 as it does do some phase alignment. Now I'm hoping that IK M are offering an crossgrade because having the external box is a game changer for me. 😎
They do offer crossgrade !!!
@@fantaztikbeatz I really wonder if its worth the Upgrade. I couldn't find any comparisons or even opinions on that matter... I already have ARC 3.
@Cr3pit0 I feel you. Especially if it's not gonna make a major difference that would be money wasted. Hopefully someone will do a comparison between the two.
@@fantaztikbeatz If only a certain Dutch Music Producer with a RUclips Channel would rise up to the occation :D
It’d be cool to see one of these room correction reviews that includes an eq sweep to see results after correction is applied. It’d also tell you what moves worked and where the room still has problems. More info the better, these companies seem to skip this part. Always need to test after making corrections. Thanks for the videos! ❤
Ye I thought about that too. You can do it in 3rd party software, but you would think if they were confident in their own products results, they would let you see how well it works!
Exactly. I use REW for that, and the results are way different from what Arc shows. But it does a good job overall !
Please show some of your room treatment and the reasons behind it, now that you have multiple camera angles. ;). I guess that's where it goes wrong for most people in the first place.
I've used Sonarworks for a long time, and I am super happy with that (Cubase user, so can plonk it on the controll-room and never have troubles bouncing with plugin on) - however, a solution that has no latency feels interesting to me. You've done a Sonarworks video back in the day, how do you feel this compares?
And thanks for all the informative and entertaining videos. Much love
Who told you that this has no latency? I think it doesn't matter if it is between your audio interface and monitors, or inside the computer itself, processing time is the same, it may be the opposite is true because now you have extra cables and device which lengthen the way of the signal to go from one place to another + the processing time. But feel free to fix me if I'm wrong.
LOL, electricity travels at 3 000 000 meters per second through the cable. You'd need cables that are so long that signal loss would destroy your signal way before latency becomes an issue. The box doesn't do anything complicated, it's extremely unlikely that it adds more than a couple of ms in latency (This is usually marketed as is "no latency" because if you can't confidently tell how much of the measured latency is caused by the device and the measurement tools/method itself because of margins of error, then marketers will interpret that as the product being perfect. :) )
Edit: Fixed speed of electricity missed a zero.
There's an important problem not mentioned. If there's separate correction on each side, then the placement of the mic is crucial. If your room is symmetrical, but the measurements aren't you'll be getting some very weird differences between L&R, especially if there's any kind of time correction like Sonar Works. If your room isn't, you may not hear the problem clearly, but it will still be there. I think correcting headphones with EQ is viable, but rooms can only be corrected physically. In my experience correcting with EQ is either different but equal or worse, never better. There can be some small "icing" added, but it needs to be done by someone experienced who knows they can only make a few minimal changes, rather than try to fix anything fundamental.
I'd love to see a video showing how to use REW! Thanks for all the great content.
I want that room measurment video. Yesterday!
There are lots online. FYI
please I wanted to ask could you provide the Frequency Response calibration file for The Arc Mic so I could use it with Sonarworks Reference ID software
At 14:22 you describe every issue I have had with Windows-based SonarWorks Systemwide failures....after many years of back and forth with their dev team, they just can't get a systemwide ASIO system to function correctly.....
01:35 Aren't you curious to know what your already calibrated loudspeaker (chain) looks like according to the ARC? Because it would reveal the "goodness" of the room, what can't be fixed. Or you already did it, just not share?
16:07 I don't even understand why, if it detects that your speaker can't deliver your bass or high, the system is trying to force it. Why not measure back the problem frequencies corrected and then you would know not to correct unnecessarily there? Or you could enter the driver data fs,qt, vs, etc:-) or read from database if it a Adam, Genelec, etc.
17:00 The system could also detect standing waves and not try to correct them.
It seems like a DSP mini I would like to see the inside:-). And what is the delay?
Great content, grat little box! I was using Sonarworks SoundID on a separate computer with a Lynx Hilo connected via Thunderbolt. The systems worked independently from my DAW (on another Mac-Studio), so no plugins were used in my DAW or system-wide. The latency is virtually nonexistent. Essentially, I am achieving the same functionality as with this small box. I initially desired the Trinnov system, but it was too expensive once I factored in the cost of having a separate "recorder"(Hilo) for the printing process (I am using a summing device). Therefore, by implementing a second computer (mac mini m1), I have saved a significant amount of money. Now, with this ARC device, I can switch to it and discontinue using the second Mac Mini that I currently use for SoundID. The question is: Will be better, or should I wait to get the Trinnov Nova? Keep it up with the great content!!
Interesting, have you ever measured the latency? Can you get it low enough to track with? I have a slightly unorthodox setup where i loop back to an instance of sonarworks so that i can monitor the analogue output of my desk and daw all corrected... then switch to another monitor source to bypass it when tracking in the control room. Works really well but I'm so used to the corrected sound i hate having to bypass it if im tracking guitars in the control room for example.
Yes, I am able to track with it with no issues. The latency depends on how you monitor it. I use direct monitoring from my Motu interface (not with DAW/Logic Pro X). So, I track while listening with the Sound ID corrections and experience almost no latency(about 1.2ms). One important note is that when I contacted a professional from SweetW, they told me that what I wanted to do wouldn't work. However, when I reached out to Lynx directly, they pointed out that if I do this, I should use an interface for the computer with Sound ID exclusively through Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt connects directly to the processor as if it were a PCI Express (very fast). In contrast, USB needs to go through its own controller unless it is a USB on the motherboard natively. Therefore, I have been using it like this for almost 2 years and I am really happy with it, mostly because I can track, mix and master with room corrections all the time.
Thanks so much for this video! but what if you have a sub in the studio like me? (2.1 setup)
hi i listened to this on a high end system and the correction took out all the mid low from the snare...(probably the desk modal you were talking about)...is this desireble? because the original sounds more full and better to me. So when you would have used the corection with the same mix you would have ended up with too much mid low, right? Or is this just something you have to get used to over time? Maybe this system is more for people with problems (studio with too many reflexions, no good absorbtion, lot of bass problems, hard to get a mix right etc)
There was a big build up of low mid from these speakers… so yeah, that is normal
Perhaps you could do updated in depth sample rate video? It is quite the change to go from 192 to 48 to 96 over the years, if I remember correctly. I'm sure you have lot to talk about on this subject.
A Room EQ Wizard in depth tutorial would be great!!
I know about a REW tutorial from Groove3 by doing the 7 point measure, but I want to see more people using it for measurements and for calibration practice. I wasn't totally convinced about using an ir file in a convolution plugin, but perhaps i find it too "simple" ? Please take your time to do REW one day :D
Good video. But it doesn't correct phase issues like Trinov Nova or Neumann MA-1 does... OK, the Trinov is another price class, but anyway. Digital input (SPDIF) would also be a very nice addition to this unit to prevent extra ADDA conversion.
Zero latency is great though! (as I read on their website)
Hi, very interesting unit! I got some questions for the workflow with it: How do you switch between multiple monitors then? Even with a monitor controller, switching the monitors on with the box inbetween doesn’t switch the different captures of every pair of monitors which you saved. So you would have to load it / change it every time you switch monitors, when you want to have the correction of both simultaniously inside the plugin? Or can you use 2 boxes for two different monitors? would that work? When i listen to mixes i like to move fast back and forth between my speakers. That would be impossible with this using one arc box and one monitor controller right? Best regard
Yes to the room eq wizard vid!
I’m wondering how the converters in that little box will impact sound quality. Why spend several thousand dollars on high end converters only to route it through that device at the end?
According to Mixbus TV it is super transparent. 😎
Umm.. that's an advertiser platform.. @@kadiummusic
I'm not going to bypass my burl or prism converters for a box, that costs 239 € for a mic, an interface with converters and a software ! I once believed that 100 bucks piece of gear could compete with 1000 bucks ones. But I dunnot anymore after comparing. I don't talk about the software here. Just about the hardware stuff like converters, psu etc...
@@kadiummusic Mixbus may say it’s transparent but David is using Trinov, if you use Burl or Dangerous conversion you wouldn’t put this between your speakers. At least I wouldn’t
If the sound after correction with ARC 4 is a better balance for mixing... it's a better balance for mixing. IMHO.
Is this same architecture as genelec GLM??
Is that MT 48 on your desktop?
edit. Should have watched more than 3 seconds before commenting on this one.
Room EQ Wizard in depth tutorial = YES
I exported songs with headphone correction SO MANY F'ING TIMES!!!
Using system wide correction helps
Please do a REW tutorial
Merging Anubis has Sonarworks as well same as the Neumann interface on your desk ;-)
The Neumann doesn't have it - only the Anubis. Something to do with Neumann already having their own room correction system in other products
I didn't know, I own an Anubis and thought the Neumann is the same with a different badge and a USB connection....Apparently Not.@@royaltyfreemusiccollective8662
Ironically he is using it with the Neumann MT48 which is based on the Merging+ Anubis which can run Sonarworks on the interface but Neumann removed this feature for their version !
You should try the Trinnov Nova.
Thanks very much!
I really liked it turned off more. The mids were way more audible
Thanks W.! Your thoughts about Trinnov vs ARC? (measuring)
7:32 song?
Fixes the mid section.
Nah... I like the idea of this considering the last plugin version i tried crashed my computer every time I tried to use it. But I have very high quality AD/DA conversion, and this, it becomes pointless.
actually it is €375 with VAT (Value Added Tax)
Is this a paid promotion?
Ah putain mais c'est genial ca, pour ce prix la c'est juste excellent, merciii 👊👍
did ik used the same noise as they put on their trial plugins ? good video as always vytze !
Is it me or is the audio here panned left?
BUT beware! The effects of room correction are always level dependent. And yet there is no intelligent global master gain processor that can do that with a high certainty
That Thumbnail.. jesus
Omg if it had been about 19cm, I wouldn't gotten it. It's a ween joke. Jeez. I think, culturally, that joke didn't exactly translate. Probably for the better.
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Thumbs down to IK Multimedia and ARC Studio. Instructions (what instructions??) were a mystery. Their online registration & activation process is a bloody nightmare!! After a week of constant failures, I gave up in frustration and returned the product... and I'm NOT sorry.
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Cant believe you didnt at least compare your main room monitors that is sweat az, , to what the ARC system may have said was bad , nor great, but ok?
Simply, It would show the faults in the ARC system..... or, what would happen if they translated better ?
For me, Devils Advocate......
would of loved too see how it translated your main system...
Just sayin',
Ofcourse I compared it to my mains… but how could I feature that in the video? I already had to simulate the response anyway…
@eastudio Response curves....
Thats all.. wasnt a go at you..
Just be interesting, If your rooms in the pocket, be interesting to see the eq curve options....
Love your content. Been here since you mapping out Analog synth circuits... Simple schematics , but important as to the way & how....Def FTW!
Then again, could of mixed you up with someone else..... ;)
Beers & Cheers from OZ.
This ain’t no sonar works lol
Nice nails brugh
I would stay on the chair in front of your desk as if you were mixing when you do the measurements. Humans are also absorbers, so that is the real room situation when we are mixing. To be empty space in front of the speakers with only the microphone will miss 1 important factor/absorber. You!
Valid point for most accuracy. 👍🏼
I actually thought the same thing so I reached out the IK and they said that it doesn't matter at all because the technology doesn't matter if you're sitting there or not. I don't know why but that's what they said. When I did it in my room I still sat in my listening position just in case LOL
@@beatarcheologzt Thanks. Me personally still think it matters, whatever they say. I am 97 kg, so 97 kg absorber LOL So it def. changes the acoustic in front of the desk :-)
Have you checked about Neumann KH750 subwoofer + room correction system? Since I have this setup (with Focal ST TWIN as the satellite speakers) I've been really happy about this whole setup.
You should check out the Trinnov Nova!! Just got it set up in my studio this week and it’s mind blowing! The thing I love most is that it handles phase. Great review as usual!
That's what I really want the Trinnov. I'll get it eventually. Hands down it's top dog for a reason. How's it treating you so far?
that rackmount $3,500USD box? jesus.
The ‘IK ARC 4 handles phase as well!
@@thomasbroker69 DOES it? Do we have confirmation on that? I know the tech is by no means new and has existed on consumer entertainment system receivers now for a very long time... But, if we got confirmation on that, that would be pretty important to know.
It seems really nice I just don't like the idea of having nice converters on my interface and then bypassing those with the Nova. The Nova's only doing what it's supposed to, but I feel like there's a loss in investment. (Same would be true for ARC.)
This device should have an SPDIF input to avoid additional latency and AD/DA conversion.
Thats actually a Great idea or any orker type of trickery to avoid double conversion
I should be connected over USB/AES/SPDIF and have digital out to send to DAC, keeping everything in the digital domain
Yes, this was my immediate reaction. A good S/PDIF input would have been easier to implement than the ADC stage. This seems to me to be a pretty significant oversight.
Yes!
They claim it’s near zero latency on their website. This is the reason for the box, so it does all the processing.
You know there's monitor FX inserts in Reaper, right? That's where my room correction goes and it's always on by default, independent of the project I'm running. Since it comes after the master buss there's no chance of accidentally rendering down a mix with the room correction applied to it.
Same in Studio One with the listen buss. 😎
I use ARC 3 on Mac and route all system audio via SoundSource with the ARC plugin inserted on that. No risk of baking room-corrected signal into an export plus all system sound is corrected, not just DAW.
Also vs this unit there's one less layer of a/d/a.
..and also in Cubase it's the same where you have Control Room to put your room correction plugin
Yeah, I wish Logic had this. Very helpful.
The only issue with changing the mic from horizontal to vertical is that these type of omni mic have slightly diferant frequemcy responce at 0 deg vs 180 deg, and often come with 2 freq responce charts or two calibration files seperatly for both positions because of it.
It's minor, and if you have no way to hold the mic still at higher spots, is probably better than not doing it. However, if someone want really super acurate results, this could throw the measurements off by a few tenths of a DB in places possibly.
As an visual graphics designer I'm a bit OCD about colors so every time I see Vytse's nails I feel like he should paint them in his studio's colors (white and red) 😂
OMG an ikMultimedia review!!!?!?!?!? I still can't believe they haven't sent you some MTM monitors. I actually just purchased a second set for my new studio!
I'm a huge fan of mtm ! Just amazing for the price tag and performances ! Of course I kinda like my bigger Adams (s3h) or focal (love those sm9 to death) but those mtm are blowin' me away anytime I use them.
How do u guys use your MTMs? Flat or calibrated ?
@@WassupFredI use mine in the calibrated mode.
The one thing missing is subwoofer correction, specifically phase aligning the subwoofer with the monitors. I don't know why this overlooked in products like this because proper phase alignment between a sub and the monitors is equally important.
Definitely important. The Trinnov unit I use can do amazingly precise subwoofer alignment, but there's really nothing at the price-point of ARC or Sonarworks that covers subs.
I'm finding that product a bit critical to be honest...
First of I'm a fan of ARC and am using ARC3 at the moment. But the need for a hardware unit just to hear the correction outside of the DAW is just stupid. That would be easily and cheaper solved with proper software development. If ARC wouldn't only be a plugin but also a Standalone Software to be inserted before the System Output the problem that IK created themselves would not be a problem at all.
There is a program for Mac users called SoundSource (which costs around 40-50 bucks) that will simply let you put plugins before your output or input devices (also great for getting nerdy insights while listening to music). So no need to turn the plugin of unless you're switching to headphones. But that is also just one click with SoundSource. And Windows will also have a lot of options for this.
Also pretty much all modern interfaces, also the cheap ones have almost no coloration and are super clean.
This just sounds like IK trying to make more money and letting the customer pay more for their development errors.
Love to see you do a comparison between the ARC Studio and the Sonarworks SoundID Reference =)
Seconded! If you have the chance please do :-)
I'm still really happy with my good old KRK Ergo - digital input and functions as a monitor controller so that's one less box on the desk. Very similar concept but only operates on the low end (
Don't know why you're going on about forgetting to insert or un-insert a room correction plugin, you're using Reaper dude, just put it on the monitoring buss!
If you have an interface with multiple outs and different sets of monitors you could even use multiple instances of room correction for each set and use the plugin pin connectors in reaper to only route the correction to the appropriate monitors.
This device is great if you have an analog mixer conected directly to your monitors so you can have the same correction you get when using the Daw output for instance.
Good review. I've been saying for a while that someone needs to make a hardware unit at this end of the market for those of us who can't afford a Trinnov or don't want to / can't afford to switch out our speakers for Neumanns, Genelecs or such like. I've been using SoundID Reference in my non-ideal room and it's been a revelation. I'm really tempted by this box as it will allow me to correct for external sources (vinyl, synths etc) without needing to run the DAW or hijack software (another cost). It would be improved with a simple hardware remote to allow for switching speaker profiles without the software and I'd love to see a version with two outputs that can switch profiles when you switch speakers - I do use that feature in Sonarworks.
This device has no use at all because it has no digital in/out output. Your stuck with their crappy A/D conversion to be clear !!! Its missing the point !!!!!!
Am I missing something ? I’m pretty sure it doesn’t do any conversion , your audio interface is doing that. Maybe I’m wrong.
Just seeing the nails...............was enough to get the HELL out of here. Freak show is not my forte.
I'm pretty sure you can actually run Sonarworks on the Neuman interface, which might be an even more interesting option. How about doing a video on that?
Im curious too
Installing IK Multimedia software is an absolutely atrocious process
There is one thing I don't understand. This microphone measures the frequencies of the room but does it take into account the fact that the engineer is in the room?
Wytse, I'm really curious what your big speakers look like on the ARC analysis graph. It'd be fun just to see. You could just do the 7-point measurement and measure both with and without your usual room correction and see what ARC comes up with.
I've been using this software for years and recently I had my setup in a very odd place that had some extreme nodes. The ARC analysis told me a lot.
I was thinking the same thing! It'd be interesting to see what kind of measurement it produces for the calibrated room.
You are now listening to a cheap DAC built into the EQ box. So, if you have invested in a high-end DAC for playback, it's all for nothing.
Received my ARC mic today. The manual says not to put the microphone in a vertical position. Wonder what differences that made in your calibration.
14:55 exactly! i wouodnt wanna mess up my da path with another adda.
Exactly. They should have put SPDIF or Word Clock on it.
I always though that by default a mic is an 8 figure (?), just because the capsule has 2 sides. Anyway expect some degree of coloration when tilting the mic.
Your channel is the best.
Others who claim they are Pro, even businesses who do this for a living (allegedly), have their bottom-end boosted way too much for male voice, as if everyone out here in LALA Land has 6x9 triax car speakers in no cabinet, and worse, quite often.
Thanks !!!
Soundworks has absolutely abysmal support for their 'reference' software. Not only that, at 4K with default 150% size increase shoves the button for the first step outside the non-adjustable window presented, which took them over two weeks of back-and-forth to understand with Zero resolution, then refused refund, saying, "We do not do any Accessibility testing."
DOH! 150% is the friggin' default on 4k monitors for Windows 10, not under Accessibility.
REW from now on.
Concerning the AD/DA conversion I will quote someone:
"I’m a recording/mastering engineer of 25 years and have studied & teach digital audio processing academically.
Processing multiple times with high quality gear isn’t that bad IMO. The first time it’s processed with an AD/DA conversion is where most of the change/degradation is going to occur (assuming sample rates and bit depth are consistent through each additional AD/DA conversion). The sample rate is going to constrain the audio in the first conversion, removing any frequencies above 1/2 of the sample rate (see Nyquist theorem.) With virtually all modern gear, those are going to be out of the range of human hearing. We started out at sample rates of 44.1k, so maximum frequency it could capture was 22.05kHz. These days, a lot of gear is sampling at 96k and higher. You would think that 44.1k is sufficient because human hearing is 20hz to 20k, but the conversion process has to use really steep low pass filters to remove anything above 1/2 sample rate in order to not geek the converters. The steep LPF’s can introduce phase and distortion in frequencies we are capable of hearing, hence the move to higher sample rates in order to get the issues way out of the audible frequency range.
The other is the bit depth - virtually everything is 24 bit fixed point these days, which sets the dynamic range. Some processors are operating at 32 or even 48 but floating point internally - which is great from an internal processing standpoint, but it doesn’t make much of a difference from a bypass standpoint. The A to D converter is still operating at 24 bit.
I’m of the opinion that several 96k/24 bit AD and DA conversions in a row aren’t going to make much difference based on practical experience. There are definitely some cork sniffers that will tell you otherwise. These are usually the same guys that will try to sell you oxygen free cables for their superior jitter characteristics (or some other voodoo physics based product.)
The last 20 years have been a huge change. In 2001, we had just gotten to the first pretty decent 48k/24bit converters and 96k was being used in some situations where processing could support it,but things were very expensive. Since then, things have become miniaturized - which allows them to be used in pedals - and have become much cheaper. Early on, some older digital units were running at 32k. I can’t remember exactly but things like the Spx 90 and Alesia quadraverb were in this era. With that sample rate, 16k would be the highest sampled frequency and you’d have some distortion, but in those cases it imparted a sound that people found pleasing."
So basically, your room will never, ever be so good, that it's not worth going through an additional conversion to correct it. I don't care what room you're in.
But have you ever tried one? I know studios where I've heard the before and after of room correction, and it absolutely made a big improvement.
@@alexbreyer6921My monitors have included room correction. Of course room correction makes sense. My comment points out how AD/DA conversion really isn't a big factor anymore.
@@akagerhard I see. Yhe comments from the cork sniffers seem to shoot this down as possibly good DA. I say if you like your speakers and you trust room correction, how bad would the conversion have to be for you to be making terrible mixes? But something this affordable they can't imagine being as good as a high end converter.
@@alexbreyer6921Top class AD/DA conversion doesn't need to be expensive. In fact, in terms of DACs specifically the very budgetfriendly Topping hardware is smoking the competition for quite some while now. But also in terms of ADCs the price is not determining quality. For example the Topping E2x2 Audio Interface was tested in a review from Amir, Founder of Audio Science Review. The Topping interface's ADC performed better than RMEs Babyface Pro FS while only costing a fourth of the price.
Still, my interface is from RME (it's older). However, in the current situation the only rational reason to invest in big expensive brands is for support, updates and possibly longevity, not for performance. This time, I will save my comment. If it gets deleted again, I will simply copy and paste it.
@@alexbreyer6921 Top class AD/DA conversion doesn't need to be expensive. In fact, in terms of DACs specifically the very budgetfriendly Topping hardware is smoking the competition for quite some while now. But also in terms of ADCs the price is not determining quality. For example the Topping E2x2 Audio Interface was tested in a review from Amir, Founder of Audio Science Review. The Topping interface's ADC performed better than RMEs Babyface Pro FS.
Hi Wytse, have you ever heard of the KRK Ergo system? It was basically exactly this, but then with some extra features that were really well thought out, like an SPDIF input to bypass abother stage of conversion. Sadly they stopped selling these units after a rather short period. Never understood why, because it seems like a lot of people have interest in a hardware system like this and it always seemed MUCH superior to the soundID software route....
I purchased this exact system and I’m having one issue. After I’m done analyzing, saving and then quitting; I then go to the arc 4 software and it remains neutral with no data from my analysis. It says my results are not being saved to my device. Can u please help me?
Actually excited for your MT 48 review
Hey! I am thinking of buying this. A friend of mine is sure however that the same can be done with a condenser mic and match eq using white noise. Any thoughts on this? Is there a workaround with stock plugins that can mimic this?
Thanks
I currently use uad with dual output and sound ID reference. I wish there was an ability to quickly swap between two speaker profiles with arc
14:09 Having room correction applied on a mix will not be a thing to REAPER thanks to MonitorFX (an FX chain which works at REAPER level, for all projects, higher level than the master, so not in the render chain).
And yup, you're wrong about measurement mics. They are mostly omnidirectional but the shape of the microphone still affects the highs. A measure pointing toward the speaker is a direct field measurement. A measure pointing up is a diffuse field measurement. You need to check the docs of the mic to know if it is optimized for one or another. Any manufacturer knowing what they are doing will supply two calibration files with the mic, one for 0° of incidence and one for 90°.
Is it not more astute to invest in speakers which load the room correctly? Rather than spending money on DSP to compensate for your systems inadequacies.
Why does all the music production channels promote the same product at the same time ..
Because its the release date/day of the product.
That's the reason why I'm deleting my sub to them, because they're becoming channels full of ads. If they want to stay independent, they have to relay on other incomes (e.g. donations).
sponsorships, $$$ for a review, no brainer
I can understand . But it's annoying .
Probably because they are the good ones trying to be relevant to the market. 🤔
Those measurement mics are omni directional, but not really. Read up on free-field vs diffuse-field measurements. There is quite a bit difference in the hi freq measurement results between the two approaches.
Well you certainly will have some diffrences comparing horizontal and vertical messurment placements even for omnidirectional. I think especially in the high end (where mics anyways are not all that super precise) like from 4khz oneards ofren. Low end does not matter so much.
Thats why you often have verticla and horizontal correction files. You are also able to messure in an angle soemtines thays beneficial but overall the best way is to just keep your microphone position constant.
In your case anyways at the end i am not sure if it rly has thay much influence anyways becayse you dont do that all that super rigerous but year vertical and horizontal can sometimes have 2+ db diffrence so it adds ontop of the error. (Purely objectivly again practically its arguably not that important afterall)
Wow! No need to speed up) nice review. But why no q factor? It looks like its not correcting the small peaks
I really don't understand why IK didn't put a spdf in\out connection... Really crazy choice.
Hi! How it is work with 2.1 system, also with subwoofer? Thanks.
I got a question if I wanna use this box with my UAD Volt 1 and just use 2 XLR to Jack cables to connect to this box it should work the same way am I right ?
Yes
You're so funny with your still thumbnail videos. It's yesterdays's gimmick.
Interesting nails. That's very progressive of you. Thank you for helping to create the new utopia.
What about using a sub in a 2.1 system? Does it still work. I know the Genelec correction works with a sub.
Yes it does. You can download the manual and it will show you how to set it up I wanted to know the same thing and I found it yesterday.
I have the ilouds mtm I measure direct through my monitor 🎉😂 1 time per monitor and all is set up
If I had to use that, I bet the software will tell me as verdict : sorry bro I can't help you, I am not a magician
Would you use this on a pair of "Auratones". Or is that defeating the purpose?
For those of us who mix analogue, this is is worth checking out.