After my exhausting experience with Suicide Squad, I'm starting to think about the Arkham trilogy a lot as something more optimistic. It's one of my most loved series of all time, and I think I'd have a better time talking up Rocksteady for a bit instead. If that sounds like something you'd watch... lemme know
I think thats everybodys view I just watched a cutsceane movie for SSKTJL and im having to Replay the Arlham games trying to wash out the taste. Origins, even Blackgate, had to take a break after that game were just watched Assult on Arkham, Asylum Im on City now next up Knight
Pro tip: If you want the Long-Form Analysis viewers that give you the most views then go for the "fall asleep" crowd. There are videos I've seen several hundred times for this and I know for a fact I'm not alone. You got the appealing and soothing voice for this. Maybe avoid the high pitch noise parts. Hope your channel grows fast
"the presentation is the best part of this game" damning with faint praise because the art direction is absolutely hideous, to me that tacky jumble does not remotely resemble metropolis. for one thing it's an east coast city and not littered with palm trees. it looks like the most boring distillation of every other AAA exxtreme game open world game, neon with a sheen of vom.
Please if you did, cover Arkham origins too. Idk why many people ignore this game, it's truly an underrated gem. It even has an online mode, the servers are down unfortunately, but there is a great community keeping it alive. Look up "Arkham origins online revival" Definitely check that out. It's great for fun and hilarious videos too if you ask me :)
You know. I also know people who have tried crack. Sometimes it is better to just not touch something at all. Much like this game. Glad you got out. But don't support garbage anymore. The industry pumps it out wayy too much these days. People just need to stop consuming product and being excited for next product.
The worst thing about the Batman execution speech is that it's framed like Harley is somehow spitting facts, in fact it always kinda feels like that. But this is the same Harley that tortured Jason Todd for months, ain't no way she's ever taking the moral high ground.
@@inshal6420 I'm not saying she needs to take accountability, cause she clearly does not give a shit about morals and stuff. I'm talking bout how the scene is framed, the serious tone, the speech, it's like the devs made it for us to go "Wait, this kinda makes sense, maybe Batman is an abusive bully", when it really feels out of place for this character who's done horrible horrible things to be preaching all of sudden and for the game to seemingly agree with her
@@lurientheenjoyer6711 I think you have completely misread the speech or you are being bad faith. Yes she starts by saying the damage Batman has done but then she ends if with a compliment "Even when you are bad, you are still too good". Referring to evil Batman being bad a trash talk
People aren’t making criticism towards the Justice League’s death because the Suicide Squad was disrespectful. It’s because of how lame it was. ALL of the Leaguers are killed by bullets. This is the equivalent if in Greek Mythos all of the gods were killed by Roman Archers.
Yeah it's stupid. I'm surpised that Batman's bullet proof cowl didn't deflect the bullet back and kill Harley. It was obvious they writers had some creativity when it came to deaths. They had flash rip out lex's heart and toss it like a stress ball. Why couldn't we have Boomerang decapitate flash or king shark bite green lantern in half?
The problem with the Batman's murder cinematic is that they tied the characters to the Arkham continuity, and that version of Harley has no right to say the words she does while killing Batman
Plus, it's kind of odd to try and paint the villains going through emotional and physical pain as somehow a blow at the (vigilante) heroes. Most of the Gotham villains willingly and without restraint commit horrendous crimes that unleash untold amounts of pain and suffering on people. Sure, they usually have backstories and motives to do the things they do, but still can choose to not. The whole reason the vigilante heroes are on their tail is to try and figure out what they are up to and to stop it. While yea, getting clobbered by an angry giant of a man vigilante wearing a million dollar custom-made suit of battle armor isn't going to improve the villain's mental or physical wellbeing, they probably shoulda thought of that before killing, hurting, harming or injuring others as part of elaborate or complicated schemes with planning behind them. Bats is ordinarily more than willing to accept surrender as a reaction to him being present, too, after all. And there have been many olive branches offered to the villains that rather stew in thinking themselves the victims to being stopped from hurting others that you could grow a forest out of them. They chose. They continue to choose. And produce their own pain just as much as feel it. Over simply choosing to be better and stopping it.
@@Pelican07.23 Yeah, canonically saying that Batman at the end of Knightfall decided to use Scarecrow's fear toxin is wild. He fakes his own death and then just goes back out as Batman anyways to gas criminals with a mind-breaking mix of psychoactive chemicals? Just doesn't make any fucking sense for Batman to do... That said this version of Harley is nonsense anyways, in the Arkham series she NEVER has any romantic interactions with Poison Ivy, at all. But in Suicide Squad she acts like her an Ivy were in love at some point? Or bestest of friends anyways and that's not true either, Ivy dies to save Gotham and while this happened Harley was still love-drunk absolutely dedicated to Joker. Not to mention that she tricked a father into giving his terminally ill little girl doses of Titan formula to cause her a painful horrible death so that she could then drive the father to suicide so Joker could steal his amusement park... Or the year long torture and mind-break of Jason... She's an absolute scumbag in the Arkham series with 0 redeemable moments and they try to portray her in this 'new leaf' heroic light.
It just bums me cause I thought if they had to have a member of the Justice League aid the SS it would be batman, you could have a lot of fun writing the interactins between harley and batman cause they have so much history and having batman of all people find a way to use these psychos to save metropolis. Basically I wanted the narrative role Wonder woman got to be given to batman.
When I bought it, I had no clue that it was considered a "hidden" gem. I assumed a lot of ppl knew how awesome that game was. Guardians is one of those games that you can just jump right in for a quick fix of some fun gameplay, even if it's been 6 months since you last played.
@@magnumopus8124 unfortunately a lot of people got in to their minds that the guardians of the galaxy game is just another marvels avengers trashfire even tho it could not be farther from the truth and it got viral online and people started hatebonering it because of miss-information from ignorant idiots..
It's a great game sadly overlooked as people just assumed it was a shitty avengers clone. I've rarely seen a game suffer due to the sins of the father in quite such an obvious way.
@@kwtkold9302 hopefully, the word of mouth will give the game it's due. I'd probably get shot for this, but I also feel it's better than spiderman 2. I found that it leaves a lot to be desired, but I don't have a single complaint about guardians, besides that it ended. Let's hope, the other Marvel games that's coming out are just as good as the first Spiderman and guardians. Though, with the direction insomniac is going, I'm losing hope in the wolverine game. 🤷🏾♂️
I hate how people say this game shouldn't be compared to the Arkham games. If one of the main selling points and points of story for this game is that it takes place in the arkham verse then we should be comparing it, if they want the position points of an established lore then they have to deal with the consequences. Imagine if we took that aproach to other games or franchises. "Furuosa a mad max story takes place in and is a prequel to mad max so if youre a fan you should see it, but we shouldn't compare it to the rest of the mad max movies "
The rewards screen is unskippable because this game started development in 2016 during the loot box craze The game likely had loot boxes plann d from the beginning, and forcing players to watch boxes be opened every mission would condition them to think and consider buying more. By the time the loot box hype died in 2019, it was likely too late to make guns drop on the ground and be pickup able, as all missions had now been designed around this. The developers also likely didn't see it as a huge deal to leave the work they made in, even if the lootbox component was taken out. But hey, that's just a theory. A game theory!
Honestly one game that did loot boxes right was ironically Overwatch. At least you could earn them by playing a game. My account is worth like 1000$ in OG overwatch skins.
The beginning of the game gives each of the Squad characters significant flaws, who are willing to put bombs in each other's heads. Let's do... FUCKING NOTHING with that and just SAY they're bros at the end. There are no character arcs. It's a flat line.
Flatline? Like the heartbeat of rocksteady flatlining when WB closes the studio in 6 months. Most of the original staff from the batman era are gone anyway.
I wouldn't call it a flat line more like just skipping over an arc entirely they are different at the beginning vs end they just skip over the development of the characters entirely
It's not skipped over.All of it doesn't happen in the cutscenes sure.Some of it in the cutscenes(Like King Shark believeing Boomerang would come back to help and the bonding moment when they lie to Waller about the penguin),some of them in the time between missions(Boomerang asking Deadshot if he's alright,King Shark getting annoyed about being asked about Aquaman,etc.) or in the boss fights/prior to them(The feargas section before the Batman boss fight where the squad does Harley's plan/gambit and they have to trust in eachother to succeed,while cooking confronting their fears and self doubts).There is character development.Its not skipped.Just ignored by you
@petrenicolae3282 The Batman fear gas segment is an example of individual development, which is barely that. A couple of lines with a hallucination isn't the same as significant interaction with the real team. The hallucinations ADDRESS the characters' flaws, but then do nothing to CHANGE the characters from that point. A character arc should result in being DIFFERENT from how you were in the beginning, unless there's a narrative reason for it (like the character's fatal flaw screwing him over in the end to put him back to square one). For example, Boomerang, whose boasting and extroverted gesturing is a mask over his insecurity, never gets a moment where someone on the team goes, "You're cool with us, Boomer." Or a significant character says, "Shit, you saved my life! Thanks, man." He never gets respect, nor does he grow in humility to think he doesn't need it. He also never has a moment of introspection where he asks, "Oh, shit, the Flash is dead, now what?" That big kill should have changed his attitude for the rest of the game because Flash was his classic nemesis. Everyone else is similarly static, except maybe Deadshot loosens up a little bit as he gets more enthused about killing the heroes. But King Shark is the same bloodthirsty but mostly affable guy he was, and Quinn is still the same headstrong nut. None of them addressed their differences, just kept killing people, and then they were friends.
@@Montesama314 Captain Boomerang does get respect.Shark believes in him that he won't run away and that he'll be coming back with something to help them(and he does).So a character does say that he's cool.Its just that he's not there to hear it. Boomerang is also respected more by Deadshot and Harley in the squad banter towards the middle and then end of the campaign.
What i found funny is that when most of creators on youtube first played this game, they were like, "and they say this is trash?" "Why do people hate this game, it looks so good". That was only at the beginning of the game. It was only when they got to the flash boss fight is when they finally started realize about the hate, and a calling card of whats to come. And then finally with batmans death, they were completely done with it.
I remember them making fun of ign for saying Flash's bossfight was ass, fixating on "flash is too fast". For me the alpha went to sh*t when we had recruit penguin.
Yep, after the Batman experience segment, I continued the game with high hopes. Little did I know that this would be the peak of all the game has to offer…….about an hour in.
you know, Harley lecturing Batman about trauma would have worked way better if she wasn't a psychotic murderer long before Batman got involved. She has Joker to blame for that
But she loved Joker and hated Batman.Also if you use detective mode as you beat thugs in Arkham knight, You start noticing how their bones go weird before bouncing back into place.Batman is also growing more violent in his methods with each game.Harley may be psycho criminal,but she at least seems to be spiting mostly facts.
Honestly no this Harley is legitimately one of the most evil iterations of the character she murdered a schoolbus full of children just because joker said so and tortured Jason Todd for months while she was a grown woman in her late 20s she can’t scapegoat her acts on joker she had a choice
@@JohnWall-lj1mx Those are from the Arkham comics if I'm not mistaken.those most of the time prove to be very inconsistent with the games.So you can't really take them as valuable characterisation or things the character actually did.
@@MrAjking808 so instead of going and doing something better with your time you instead resort to using daddy's money? Ewwwwwwwwww spotted the consoomer.
@@MrAjking808If the game was good, you WOULD want to waste your time on that grind. The fact that you’re willing to pay to skip it is a serious indictment of the game
25:47 I think that at this point you did not understand the complaint, the problem is not that they do not treat the Justice League with respect, the complaint is that there is favoritism and it is very inconsistent. The biggest example of this is the contrast between Flash and Wonder Woman, Flash saved the squad twice, never insulted them and sacrificed his own life for them, despite the attitude and situation and yet when the squad k*lls him, they make fun of him, I understand, they are the bad guys, it's a bad joke, but let's suppose it's their style, but then when Wonder Woman arrives that's when there are problems. Wonder Woman never treats the team well, her first scene is her attacking them, insulting them and being rac*st towards King Shark (no seriously, Diana, what the hell that wasn't cool), Wonder Woman never treats them well, she never cares about them and she never cooperates and yet she is the only one who receives a dignified and honorable de4th as if she were the best, when not, she acted 100% horrible with the squad. I mean, Flash, Barry Allen, a hero who even in their worst moments helped and saved them, someone who never insulted them is humiliated and taken as a joke, while the most aggressive girl who genuinely acts like an idiot with them is the one who di3s dramatically? Flash deserved a dramatic death, if we are going to make this bad joke of making fun of the heroes when they die, do it with everyone, Wonder Woman did not deserve something like that from the squad at all, because she never trusted them, she treated them horribly and it was rac*st to sharks. Also, it's ironic that right after Wonder Woman dies, Harley is all like "we should change" and then in the next scene she starts making fun of Batman and saying nonsense, like, 0 sense.
It's not about dramatization, Wonder Woman was the only one to die without being controlled by Brainiac. Flash was a goon in his boss fight, he was pantsing the cast, running around telling jokes, he was villainized due to Brainiac. Wonder Woman wasn't. They never saw that side of her, all they saw was the God who came in and could go toe to toe with the other Gods and make it out alive. The Suicide Squad is full of morons, why should we care about what they think. Boomerang cutting peoples body parts off as a running gag and constantly foiling the plan, Shark having an ant sized brain, Harley being chaotic, it's really only Deadshot that was the only rational one amongst them which isn't a surprise as he always is in most other media portrayals. You are taking these bad apples of characters far too seriously
@@Flyhr With Flash there is the excuse that he was being mind controlled, not with Wonder Woman, she was a horrible person with the squad from start to finish, I always underestimate them, I insult them, I attack them and to top it all off she is rac*st, there is no excuse. Flash was going through the worst of it as her and maintained his heroic spirit, the only part where he starts to treat them badly is when he is mentally controlled and anyway, at least he limited himself to insulting them superficially, Wonder Woman was worse. (No seriously, what the hell with insulting King Shark like that? That was unnecessary) And it doesn't resolve my question, why does Wonder Woman have a dramatic death? She died as she lived, being a stupid selfish idiot who acts only on impulse. She discredited the squad that only wanted to help and wasted the little Kryptonite they had in their shield, the few interactions she has with the group are her acting like a complete idiot with people she possibly doesn't even know, she deserves to have her grave peed on. Btw, I don't understand, I mean, the girl who di/d for her stupid decisions deserves an honorable de4th while the group of superheroes mentally controlled against her will deserve to be insulted? Idk, I think it should be the other way around. Even thinking that the Squad are a group of idiots, I don't understand why they feel bad for Wonder Woman, that argument doesn't make sense, if they are unpleasant and that's the joke, that they are also unpleasant to Wonder Woman, you can't just skip it.
@@thismandoesntexist7814 Wonder Woman is not a horrible person are you mental? She was fighting a solo war against the Justice League and didn't have time for the Suicide Squad's antics. They are bad people and she knows it, calling her a racist against shark is laughable. All she did was brush Shark's opinion off as she did with the ENTIRE SUICIDE SQUAD. It's not like she beat him to a pulp or anything, she never struck a blow against the Suicide Squad, in fact she saved the group squad two times despite not liking them. Sure you can criticize her decision of not teaming up with the Suicide Squad to optimize her chance of winning but she is a warrior, not a genius like Luthor or Batman. It is very inline with her character. Like I said, Wonder Woman was the only character to die NOT FIGHTING THE SUICIDE SQUAD (NOT CORRUPTED/NOT EVIL). They didn't criticize her death because she was never an enemy unlike the brainwashed heroes who the squad had to individually deal with. Also you said "Wonder Woman doesn't even know the Suicide Squad" She clearly knows who they are; criminals, as she calls out Amanda Waller in their very first interaction with the Suicide Squad.
@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219Oh Wonder Woman's behavior is completely understandable. It's just, in the eyes of the squad, it makes no sense for them to treat her with such respect.
@@UniversalLizard Not at all. Two bad things can exist at the same time. Both games are garbage. One is slightly less bad than the other one. We were the accurate level of harshness when Avengers came out.
Something that I found was hypocritical was that the Squad treats the Flash's death with irreverence (i.e. Boomerang pees on The Flash), the same man who saved them from the Batman, while they treated Wonder Woman's death with respect, the same woman who mocked and belittled them the entire time.
1)The Flash was never actually peed on.Also with the exception of Boomerang they were going to treat his Death with respect. 2)Wonder Woman saved them before,but didn't try to kill them after that(The Flash kills lex aftermath and the Flash boss fight). Diana dieing means that one of their allies is dead, someone that did go toe to toe with Superman.Diana also didn't have any personal enemy in the Squad, unlike the other members of the mind controlled Justice League. They mourned a strong ally that helped them and didn't became their enemy later,that none of them had personal beef with.
@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs Usually,sure.But it's not in every iteration.Besides that,the Arkham Boomerang is an amalgam Betewn The first Captain Boomerang and his son,the second Captain Boomerang.The one that had speedster powers,was the brother of impulse and killed Kid Flash.Hell,the game's Captain Boomerang's father is named George Digger.So the games Captain Boomerang is the Second Captain Boomerang,who could very well have no respect for the Flash.
@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs If you played the game... You'd realize Boomerang in this universe hates the Flash. It's almost like 99% of yall trashing on the game haven't played it 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
I'm sorry, but saying that Boomerang pissing on Flash's still warm corpse is consistent with who he is as a character, just fundamentally shows you don't know who that character is. Maybe you can say it's consistent for this terrible game, but Boomerang in this game is nothing like who he actually is.
To add on, The Rogues are extremely honorable villains despite being mere thieves (as opposed to otherworldly warriors with a battle-forged honor code). As per rules they set up, they don’t kill, don’t do drugs, and they respect the Flash.
@@PeopleRTheProblem I don’t think so. They know if they killed Flash, they’d have the entire Justice League on them, which is like having a 6 star wanted level on GTA.
That last statement in the video needs a follow-up of 'How much is that actually worth?' People would much sooner return to the Arkham games (As many obviously have) than return to this game. A lot of people have had a sour spot for Arkham Knight due to it's launch, general gameplay loops and narrative decisions and are now coming around to it more in recent years because it still got a lot more right than this game does. Arkham Origins, the notorious 'black sheep' of the 4, does as well. How much is returning to this game for a greater appreciation worth over the first 4 Arkham games?
These properties are not passions for these people. They're vehicles for manipulation and the developers get caught in the middle. We know what Rocksteady are capable of given creative and mechanical freedom.
I got an hour into this video before I realised how many views and subs you have, WHAT THE FUCK?? WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE? this video was absolutely incredible and you explain and present everything excellently. I really thought I was watching a 6 figure sub count channel with the amount of professional work you put in.
He’s gonna grow. I’ve seen his other videos and he’s interesting to listen to. Not repeating the same thing everyone else on RUclips is saying. He just has to upload more lol
You know, I think the reason why people don't like Batman's death scene because of, "ThEy KiLlEd OfF bAtMaN", but everything leading up to that point, with Rocksteady doing him absolute DIRTY in this game, and then calling all that canon in the Arkham games.
They fucked up batman and Harley Quinn lecturing Batman is pathetic, they wouldn't have ever won against him and no it has nothing to do with the nonsense the Internet attempts to divide us with. I just think they could have done so much better.
Its debatable at if they ever win against Batman. Remeber if this is suppose to be the Batman from the Arkham timeline then ya gotta remember that Batman was captured by Harley Quinn in Harley Quinn’s revenge. What proably was holding her back/just killing Batman was proably her love for joker and wanted the revenge to be best as possible and of course this delay is eventually lead to her downfall.
@@fortheburbsandmemes7419 Batman let himself get caught in Harley Quinn's Revenge. Besides he always had a backup plan. Harley Quinn just isn't a threat to Batman. If anyone in the Arkhamverse should kill Batman it's Deathstroke. That makes more sense than Harley Quinn.
Like so, so many problems in current entertainment media: they had great parts and great people. Fantastic puzzle pieces ready to be assembled into a masterpiece. Then they shot hot glue all over the pieces and crammed them into a mountain before claiming "It's quirky and interesting!" No little one, it's a mess.
The fundamental problem with these games is that they always take time, often years, to reach their full potential; yet once they come out they're directly competing with games that have already had those years to refine themselves. I'm sure this game could've gathered an audience if it came out back in 2014, but in 2024, why would I play this instead of a game like Destiny 2, Warframe, or Final Fantasy XIV?
Bro, just because everyone was being negative doesn't mean they were being irrational. We had EVERY reason to hate this game, it was lazy and soulless and Rocksteady have proved they can do way better than that.
Soulless? Yea, lol It definitely lacked the soul the Arkham games had... But now lazy? No, them being a single player studio, making for the 1st time a live service, open world game, with multiple characters, ballance issues to be done, server trying to process all the data, it was in development for years mate, it's not lazy, it's just the wrong developer for the wrong genre and universe (killing batman killed the game)
@@danipatac7210 oh yeah those boss fights were definitely done with passion and care, weren't they? They weren't lazy AT ALL Those multiple characters were also done with care, weren't they? Playing as a different character DEFINITELY feels very different from any other character, doesn't it? And don't even get me started on the enemy variety. The fact that this game was developed for years makes it even more lazy because that means the game should have been way better than what it is.
@@JuanDiegoCorreaQuintero-ss1pd I see you don't understand game development nor are you aware what happened at the studio, just letting you know that game development is hard and that this project was redone multiple times and that the studio heads fucked the Devs up a lot of times, and when they left the studio was like fuck it, it is what it is and WB was just after the money of the live service, you can't be lazy when you're working in crunch, that's not how it works...
@@danipatac7210 man you are absolutely hilarious. I said boss fights were terrible and you replied that I don't know how game development works, are you implying that I need to be a game developer in order to know if a boss fight is well designed?
@@JuanDiegoCorreaQuintero-ss1pd I'm implying that you don't know what you're talking about when you call somebody lazy lol I was agreeing with you that the game is bad you smooth brain💀 I was telling you WHY it's bad not just "ItS lHaZy"💀 But it's RUclips, people don't like knowledge on here... Have a good one mate lol
This game is absolutely horrendous, one of the worst concept games ever, one of the worst gameplay mechanics ever, easily one of the worst narratives ever, however it does look good sometimes but honestly you can only polish a turd so much before you realise it’s a turd.
Probably not since the community sacc'd it before it could grow. The game is alot better than it actually seems, people love to shit on it for $$$. (Recently got myself and 3 other friends into it) Definitely not worth 60$, but I got it free and they paid 20$ and all of us unanimously agreed its ATLEAST worth 30$.. its much better than anybody gives it credit for.
Rocksteady said years ago they would make a Superman game after the Arkham series. They built Metropolis and assets for this Superman game and were going to announce it officially until their shareholders got wind of the Live Service game model and wanted a slice of the action. Made Rocksteady make Suicide Squad instead, leading to many staff leaving after seeing how bad this would end up. This is what happened, I just know it.
Surprised this video didn't blow up by now. Great video. Detailed, coherent explanations and well done summary and research, all in one. As an Arkham fan since City on Xbox 360, it's sad and disappointing to see just how awfully they have destroyed their franchise. And they keep destroying it even more. If anything, if only out of (albeit obviously undeserved) respect for the devs, and also because I am curious how long it will last, even with the atrocious writing it has, I will still give this game a shot.
I've been saying since it came out that this game is something I'd happily play for a handful of hours if it was free or cost 20 bucks. Like you said, the presentation is pretty great, and I'm one of those brain rotted goblins that actually enjoy grindy looter shooter shit. I think the main problem is that they tried to sell it as a full price AAA game when it's clearly not worth anywhere near that. At this point I'll only play it if it becomes free, because I'm not spending money on something that'll be taken offline before the end of the year. Great video btw! I'm really stoked that RUclips has started recommending me fellow lower sub channels, the quality of your content is fantastic and I'm certain that you'll grow in no time!
It's 60% off right now if it's any consolation. Or if not, then, wild guess, it'll probably go free on Epic after two years. I don't mind always online looter shooters at all, but on those aspects alone this game is tamer compared to most games of the same genres. If anything, this is an ok time killer if you have no better options.
I somewhat doubt the game will stay online for two years considering what happened with The Avengers, but yeah, it really is one of those brainless time killers I'd be okay with playing through once, but not much more.@@nonamius3434
They JUST gave this for free about a week ago, and my friends decided to get into it after seeing me play for a bit. All of us decided its at minimum worth 30$, and people shit on it too easily. The story has SOME holes, but the gameplay is pretty up there for the $$$, if you aren't spending more than like 25-40$. I 110% feel like this game was shot in the foot by its community, they expected something on launch that it just wasn't meant to be, and then torched it. People piggy backed off that type of sense and it just got worse. (Creators amplified this a ton ngl) Its discounted on Epic still, or you can pick it up 3rd party for cheap. (17$-20$)
Am i the only one who didnt get Harley's speech as a 'Moral Highground' speech but more like her pointing out the literal irony of her, the one Villain he always deemed to be the least dangerous, to be the one who ends up killing him...?
I defended this game. I was suckered in at launch, because I love DC comics. I loved and still love the idea, but it was executed so poorly. I had fun with it, and I enjoyed it more than Gotham Knights. But then when it clicked that "This is it" my enjoyment was killed. Glad that I had the time with the game that I did enjoy, but yeah it's not good.
I love how people have this argument, but when you compare it to something like Spiderman 2 on Ps5(I got PS5 just for Spiderman and Spiderman 2, aswell as UFC 5), its literally no different... (except here we have 4 characters, and builds...) SSktJK has great gameplay, and a sub-par story for hardcore fans, but a intriguing one for new comers. It's not nearly as bad as people claim it is, it's not worth 60$, but around 20-30$ it's a decent play.
Imagine how better this game would be if Batman was the one helping the Squad. Maybe the game would've done better than it did. Batman helping the Squad makes more sense than Wonder Woman. Batman heroically sacrificing himself would've been heartbreaking. If any character in this game deserved an honorable death it's Batman. The dude literally built this franchise and he gets shot on a park bench for it. I don't know why Rocksteady would ruin their legacy like this. It doesn't make any sense.
Game would've done better if the community didn't set it ablaze at the start for it not being what they envisioned before it even launched. Also people do 0 research and aswell as don't play the game, but still shit on it. People also love to claim this is a Rocksteady disaster but fail to realize/research, Rocksteady got this game in the middle of it's development, they didn't make it entirely, the game swapped studios. (Also after playing the game and hearing the audio logs, batman doesn't make sense. Brainiac had to control batman for his intellect & strategy, he was the biggest threat to him other than Superman)
Someone at Rocksteady should've had the sense early on to turn this into a Teen Titans game, instead of a making a Suicide Squad game that no one wanted.
I just finished the video and went to turn on one of your other videos and was SHOCKED to see your sub count. only 2.7k for this level of quality?? I'm subbed now and defenitively looking forward to more of your videos.
One of your subscribers hopped on by my channel and encouraged me to stop by (and here I am, hello!). I've actually followed your channel for awhile, and you're awesome. I'm going to go watch your Mirage vid now! We smalltubers gotta stick together
I think it is necessary to compare it to the Arkham games. After all, Rocksteady made a big deal about it being in the Arkhamverse during the marketing. EDIT: Boomerang nearly pissing on Flash isn't consistent with his character. Boomerang and Flash's entire rogue's gallery respect the Flash. It sets them apart from all of the other heroes' villains. Harley's character is unfortunately consistent with Rocksteady's flawed characterization of Harley, but as that first half of the sentence might have implied - Rocksteady fundamentally misunderstands Harley as a character. Having her react like that is fundamentally flawed. It opposes everything that makes her who she is in other media. She DOES respect Batman. When the Joker's around she doesn't because she's indoctrinated by Joker but when he's not around to influence her she has respect for Batman. In any reality where he died and FIVE YEARS PASSED she'd never say anything like she does in that moment.
Towards the end of the video Fortnight is mentioned a lot. But I actually remember Fortnight in its earliest form. It was a tower defense/ base building game. It started conceptually as there was some sort of zombie disease you’d be dropped into the world complete with enemies to gather loot and resources then come back to your base and build it up for a tower assault. You could have traps and NPCs to man the turrets. The charm and the art style was solid to begin with. At some point the PVP was added later. I don’t even know if the tower defense still even exists as I actually like tower defense games better and detest PVP so I’ve quit following the game because I don’t like it. However that’s my own taste: the game is massively popular, and my own dissatisfaction with the game’s direction aside you can’t fault the devs for seeing something that worked and running with it, good for them! Their success is deserved. That said much like that one successful streaming service it’s hard to replicate that initial success. Not only do you need to add some innovation which is hard on its own, you also have to pull people away from the service they already invested in which is really really hard. I’ve never had a streaming service besides Netflix myself. So I think this critique is very fair. It really drills down to the issue. I knew this game had no soul I knew that the game at the foundation was flawed there’s no fixing it, but like many other videos I couldn’t quite pinpoint the problem. Now I also like the assets of the game, I think you might be able to salvage those. Metropolis is beautiful and the facial animations are lovely. I am more critical I think of the writing. I don’t think the story works at all. For a serviceable rewrite see Alastor Hacon’s channel where he quickly and with very little research writes the story about 110Xs better. He’s not an amateur though he’s got a published series of books. Edit: I have no association with the creator Alastor Hacon I like his critiques and I read his books.
This is a good essay to make on a game like this. This game is horrendous and there’s no way around that, but that doesn’t mean we can’t acknowledge what it did right. Trying to like it proves there was an honest attempt and that’s honestly more than the game deserves these days
The actually isn’t good though and it was painfully obvious from the very first gameplay trailer. It’s not a hate train when it’s true. I’ll add that Destiny 1 faced the same kind of adversity at its launch, but since there was actually something there,the game survived. Suicide Squad is quite shallow on all fronts.
Destiny only survived because it was back when the only other looter shooter was borderlands, and borderlands 3 was nowhere to be seen Also because bungie and Activision sold the farm and the kids into slavery to fund destiny, it failing wasn't an option, or it meant the closure of the studio. Destiny still isn't good Imo, but that's because I hate the mixing of the worst fps tropes with the worst MMO tropes
you can absolute feel how the creativty of the game is killed by the money-company-obligatory grind like having BIZARRO WEAPON bane weapon idontknow Killer croc rocket launcher or the fact the DLC story are just 5 min of cinematic with the same boss purple absolute trash in all areas
How... Seriously ask yourself how. The grind isn't that bad, it's really easy. I've played for about a week, I just started grinding seasons and i'm already 70+. DLC story isn't traditional DLC... it's seasonal content that is FREE... 100% understandable on any front. The game would've got more love if people didn't shit on it for it not being their perfectly envisioned game on launch. Villain thematics on weapons is a non-issue, they offer effects corresponding to their thematic. (actually really smart...) and even synergize and combine to make new effects (cool addition)
@@warmanreaper the Story is garbage . . . I can't take the dialogue when IS unfunny and repetitive (they can't have a silence of 2 secs) The grind mechanic is not the problem, the problem is the 3 same missions you have like MOVING THE CAR Is online so you can't play It without internet, is full of Microtransactions like SKINS WITH RECOLOUR HAVE PRICES WHAT
Man… like many other people the Arkham trilogy were one of the game that shaped my taste Games that 1# objective is making you immersed as the character you are playing as and the world around you. Games that value its art design to much that has the HUD elements be as minimal and clean as possible. Games that let you slowly appreciate the visual elements and environment of the game a It’s absolutely disheartening to see a studio that I used to value so much release a game that is the complete polar opposite to what I value the most in games. I cannot look at a few seconds of this game without being legitimately nauseous. The Arkham games also had this love and passion to Batman and his world. That made me look into comic book and appreciate the characters in a new level. So to see the “same studio” throw away established lore from the comics, completely retcon aspects of the OG trilogy and treat Arkham Batman like a mistake…. Disappoint can’t not describe how I felt.
Yes, but not the element where the geometric approach of your character walking into the scene is taken into account in how the cutscene plays out. Character eyelines, positions, general staging, etc will be *slightly* different depending on the angle you walked into the scenes. It takes a lot of work, but whether you think it makes a big difference is up to you. To me, it comes off as a noticeably more natural blend into cutscenes than even just a camera-control swap (in something as early as Sly Racoon which did this as another comment has mentioned). Max Payne 3 is similar, it integrates the final kill-cams into the transition to the next cutscene, and I don't know of any other games which quite do it like that, I do think it's pretty effective. But as far as I remember, there's no 'walking into a cutscene' like in Rocksteady's last 2 main games (but maybe I'm mis-remembering)
I never let what the internet thinks influence my views on a game. There are plenty of games I've played in recent time that were panned by people where I went "man, this was actually quite good" CoD: Advanced Warfare and CoD: Infinite Warfare for instance had excellent campaigns, absolutely loved them. That being said, a few games recently that I tried and beat, among which are Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, Forspoken and Saints Row 2022 absolutely deserved the hatred for them. Absolute slog of games. I beat all 3 of them, because I give games fair chances to surprise me, but they just didn't. SS:KTJL genuinely was just boring. A nonsensical storyline with major plot points that were too distracting, disrespect towards the original Arkham-verse, copy-paste boss fights that were just bullet sponges, and basically only 5 mission structures that were repeated ad nauseum (but even then those 5 mission structures were incredibly similar)
I played the game before. Got a legendary SMG for Harley. It drops a live grenade when I crit so with my 1 capacity nuke grenade I didn't have to do much but wait for the critical to win. Oh also when I nuke the area I had a chance to have another live grenade to drop with harley so nothing survived.
Batman: "You can defeat me by working together. Your team, your family, can turn the tide to victory." Squad: *goes through INDIVIDUAL mental journeys, with no sincere emotional interactions between the teammates the entire game, just point guns at Batman and shoot*
@@ryszakowy I was imagining the squad just shooting in random directions around the cave in a weird sort of bad trip, and the reason Batman got hit so many times is because he literally couldn't predict the actions and lines of fire of four excited gunmen hopped up on hallucinogens.
What people need to come to terms with is this isn't the rocksteady we know and love. The vast majority of the people that made those games what they are don't work there anymore and didn't work on this game, or at least left years before it released. The odds of us getting another good rocksteady game are slim to none. I can tell you one thing for sure, we definitely won't get another rocksteady game with a good story. They'll continue to piss all over the characters we know and love bc they can't stand them.
I fund it weird how captain boomerang and the almost pissing on him wierd because in the comics when he and another villain killed the flash the other villain was going to unmask flash but boomerang said no hes dead and thats enough flash's rogues usually respect him im not counting thawne because he is a huge exception
I'm a fan of sandbox shooters and I've been looking for a game to scratch my Infamous itch for a while. The game does look really appealing to me and I honestly enjoy grindy looter games, but I can't just ignore the criticism and consensus on the game. Still might pick it up once they release offline mode and it's on a big sale.
Don't. Just don't. They don't deserve your money. The hate is not unjustified. Without even knowing what other shooters you've played, I can confidently say they are way better than this gargabe.
@JuanDiegoCorreaQuintero-ss1pd I've tried most of the big shooters at least once, but I enjoyed most Destiny 2, the Doom reboots, and the first Painkiller. And you make a fair point, but if the sale is big enough, then they are losing money no matter what. It wouldn't be going directly to executives, more to keep the lights on, and I'm conformable with that ethicaly. I think Rocksteady was not managed well and put out out a bad game and should not be rewarded for it, but I don't think everyone there should lose their job either.
I played half way through the campaign and I think it was a great piece of work but if you like live service looters there’s already Destiny and Warframe and Division and when Suicide Squad and Outriders fail I just wonder if there’s just no more room for this genre. I can’t include Helldivers as it’s too specifically its own thing to my mind but now that’s succeeded so well I think there’s less room than ever for a “full-time job” style live service game. So people from Destiny and WF come and have a go at these great efforts but inevitably go back to their decade-established hobby. I really enjoyed this and agree with you on most of its strengths and it’s just tragic to see it fail.
Phenomenal analysis and an excellent look not just at this game, but the underlying trends that have been frustratingly more common in the gaming industry as of late. Your perspective was very informative and refreshing to hear, I’ve heard so many people complain about this stuff but you’re the first person I’ve watched whose taken a step back to offer some new points and critique the flaws within the public discussion on these topics as well. I hope you make more videos about the live service problem/other topics of discourse in the gaming industry, I know they’d make for a great watch!
I can't stand the auto-generated subtitles, and I grew up with a deaf family member, so making sure the subs are high quality in my videos is important to me. Glad it helped!
I do not think that consumer expectations of "bigger and better" are any reason or excuse for the bad quality we get from AAA developers. The reason i say that is, there is tons of indi developers with almost no or much less budget and staff to work with. And still these indi developers seem to be able to create amazing content....even in the standards of today. With all the money they have and all the people, they could make amazing art. But cutting costs is more important to them than quality.
Is it just me, or has facial capture gotten worse? It's almost like the actual emotional performance capture is still improving, but they've stopped doing pure face scans for the actor. It's like Horizon Zero Dawn all over again, where they inexplicably altered the actresses face in game to look unnatural. There are women with traditionally masculine features, but all they did was make her chin a brick instead of a chin shape. My point is that modifying an actor's face without regard for the uncanny valley gives you this: near photo realism that looks kinda bad just cuz it lacks style.
A lot of people express confusion about how live service cash grabs keep getting released, and it really does boil down to that risk-reward, though I suspect there's some condescension in there as well, especially from any studio who's gathered a large playerbase lauding their games. It's similar to why gacha games are such a draw: the return is so, so absurdly high that it massively outweighs the risk in the eyes of corporate greed. And many of those who get blinded by their avarice simply tend look down on consumers, believing that if there's a large audience already, they'll buy whatever is put out, despite repeated events showing exactly the opposite. I do think there's some genuine intent behind this in the hands of the devs, who perhaps genuinely thought they could make something incredible, especially if this was previously going to be a new IP rather than a DC game. You can see it in the love they put into building the city. But the writing falls flat, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were due at least in part to having to bend the story to attempt fitting these characters rather than those it was originally intended for. And that's really disappointing.
31:50 I feel like this ignores the fact that part of a legacy, are those that witness. This statement is simple putting off actually addressing the issue, and just wiping your hands of it, rather than acknowledging any valid issues people may have with this choice of direction.
Only because I've seen this type of comment recently a couple other times, I'll paste my reply to another similar comment that was made a while ago: I did say that I didn't want to spend too much time on it, so I'll say my last words here. You're correct that a legacy is not entirely self-contained. It's shaped not just by the core merits of the work one does, but also by the wider effect that work has had on industries, communities, and individuals. Also by the people who have supported you along the way as you mention. And it's also shaped by the perception other people have about you, this is a core part of a legacy. To me, Kevin Conroy's legacy is defined, at least in part, by the actual quality of his work, particularly by defining one of the most strongly celebrated interpretations of Batman in the animated series. The quality of this work has then has a massive effect on its fans. Batman the Animated Series and the Justice League series have a lot of touching moments brought to life by Kevin Conroy that I know have had a genuine positive effect on so many people. And of course, the Arkham series means a lot for so many people, and that's also in a large part due to the performance Kevin gave in those games. To me though, more than all of this, Kevin Conroy was a huge fan of his fans too. He was always extremely public about his love of the role, and he spent a lot of his time, unpaid, engaging and interacting with fans. I could go on about his relationship with costars, and about his dedication to working with writers to get the tone of the character right whenever he had the chance, but ultimately his care about the character, and his involvement in the community and fandom is one of the largest reasons he has been so respected for his career portraying Batman. Taking the role of Batman in Suicide Squad was, as far as anyone is able to prove, fully his own decision and something he wanted to do. In other words, an extension of his dedication to the character and his fans, simply because it was another chance to take a Batman role seriously. Now, I also need to stress: am I defending the way Batman was written in Suicide Squad? Absolutely not. It was handled extremely poorly, and gives zero payoff to Batman's history in the Arkham games. Literally almost anything would have been better. So yes, the writers failed to do justice to what was coincidentally Kevin's last video game performance. Will some people view Kevin's legacy playing Batman in a poorer light because of it? Maybe a small number will, but I'm not convinced it would be any more than a minority. Most complaints I hear are people worried or annoyed about some kind of tarnished legacy, not actually about the fact that their view of his legacy has changed. I don't see less respect for Kevin himself anywhere. He was playing Batman until he physically no longer could. Again, to me, this is consistent with his love for the character which is what makes his legacy as strong as it has been over the majority of his career. In a decade's time, I doubt Suicide Squad will be mentioned alongside his name anywhere near as often as his other works. He is still the voice of Batman in multiple upcoming animated shows. The quality of the writing in one game is a drop in the ocean against the wider work which will live on in his name, and the fans he has inspired along the way. This is my perception of his legacy, and if that isn't the same as someone else's, that's fine. But to them, I'd just suggest taking a breath, throwing on Mask of the Phantasm, and looking at things more holistically.
To add onto your final point of how it isn't just WB's fault - companies like Rocksteady and WB - and every other AAA developer and publisher - don't just want money; they want all the money plus change. The execs making the decisions cut each other huge checks and just do layoffs when their umpteenth live service inevitably fails.
Really great videos, i was around in the early days of Monty Zander who is in a similar style (albeit Scottish lol!) and i think its clear as day this channel will also do very well.
I feel like the creators didn’t watch the suicide squad movie other than to design the characters, and I think they really should have carried the tone
The more i hear about this game, the more i feel like this really DID have potential to be a hit. They just made 2 or 3 mistakes. Mostly relating to the multiple changes in direction that it had.
No, no, dead on arrival and far more than 2 or 3 mistakes. B-list characters were pushed to the forefront in an attempt to start a new big franchise while ignoring the demand for a Superman game and/or Justice League game. A Superman Game was vetoed, and the Flash game and Batman Beyond game were canceled for Suicide Squad. Before we even talk about the actual video game, the very principle of it is already effed.
Very good video! There's only one criticism that I would consider to be "unfair." The part where you describe the combat and how you deal with grunts, brutes, and tanks. Obviously, when doing things in the most optimal way, it's going to be extremely simple. You can do this with literally anything. Simplify it and make it sound stupid. Arkham Knight, Blue Lightning Bolts = press Y/Triangle, Yellow Lightning Bolts = hold Y/Triangle, Red Lightning Bolts = Dodge, Press X/Square for damage, occasional enemies that require batclaw or cape stun. Everything else (blade takedowns, special combo moves, quickfire gadgets) are totally optional. Before anyone sees red and comes after me, I'm NOT saying that SSKTJL has fantastic combat that revolutionized gaming like Arkham. Just that reducing things to the most basic only required parts is rather disingenuous, imo. Other than that, every critcism you levied is absolutely valid. Great video like I said
Thanks for the comment. I really appreciate the genuine and detailed constructive criticism. I do see your point. Yeah, as a player you really just contend with how elements of a game interact together, and how you as a player interact with them. A play experience is an emergent phenomenon, and doesn't depend inherently on the isolated elements. I still think it's true that the lack of variety in combat is an issue. The Arkham games are, as I even say in the video, strong via their simplicity. But the game leverages the Batman fantasy with a really satisfying combat loop, and with clean powerful animations, such that there's a lot of extrinsic reason to engage with the optional complexities of combat. Suicide Squad, however, does have a fairly limited range of enemies and combat approaches,. The real issue here though is that there is no incentive, either intrinsically (like with in-game rewards), or extrinsically (like the satisfaction that comes with pulling off unique moves), that most players will feel fatigued very quickly with a very obvious flatness to the gameplay variety. So yes, you're right that my criticism actually missed the core of the issue I was trying to highlight. I'm glad you pointed that out.
The boss fights had so much potential, so did the story had the Batcave been the first stop and we saw Bruce explain. Flash fight woulda been cool if laying traps and trip wires was the way to get him, taunts for Green Lantern and Batman being like Mr X woulda been amazing, the only thing you can do is run from him😂 🔥
I feel like I have a monkey's paw in my hand every time I say that I do want an online co-op superhero game. Something always seems to go horribly awry.
sweet baby inc oh no is three words and they can write all games even if they are a "tiny company" and they even can blackmail china develops like Black Myth wukong
The first mission set the game for me. Instead of a cutscene of metropolis being invaded or the fight between brainiac as he takes control over the league and city. We don’t get any of that, not even an opening with a big bang that gets you excited for more like the avengers game. It starts slowly and flat and remains as such
I would have been come around if they had replace Justice League with the Crime Syndicate instead. Imagine how fun it would have been to actually see Evil vs Evil in that way? Not too mention, Brainiac Brainwash Superman action in the game would have fit better with Ultraman.
I bought this game for like $10 after hearing all the criticism and just thinking that I'm gonna find it mediocre at most, being more interested on the charactersand enjoying looter shooters. After around 3 hours, I noticed 3 things that made me stop playing: 1) The loot doesn't feel rewarding to get. It's barely been a couple of missions and I had already gotten 3 yellow weapons through the bland and boring mission reward screen, with perks that didn't change much their use, functioning basically the same way as their white rarity version, but with better numbers. Compare it to the Borderlands series, Borderlands 2 had some pretty unique loot, but even the more "generic" legendaries, like the Hammer Buster, were fairly useable. Apart from that, the grind for a certain weapon or looking for a gun with a specific part combination always felt rewarding after getting what you were looking for. Borderlands 3 also suffered from the issue of "legendary" loot being too common and getting way too much. However, it balanced things a bit with having all legendaries be really distinct and work in completely different ways. 2) One of the main interests I had for the game were the story and the characters, the Suicide Squad being one of my favorite group of misfits and villains. I enjoyed their characters a lot at the very start of the game and found their dialogues to be funny. However, while I was looking for some of the Riddler's collectibles, I started to get pretty annoyed becuase the characters would literally not stop talking. I was trying to focus in finding which building the Riddler wanted me to take a picture/scan/whatever, and I couldn't even concentrate for a second due to the constant talking between characters or by any of the controlled Justice League members. It led me to look up on google if there's a way to turn of this dialogue, to find out that not only is this dialogue impossible to mute, but that it's gonna get worse once Brainiac starts using the comms too. 3) The skill system seems overbloated and overcomplicated for a game with such a simple combat loop. Again, I only played barely 3 hours, so this is all based on just reading each perk, but there are way too many skills that have no business being so overly long and complicated, when the combat loop is so simple and repetitive. I feel like you literally could go though the game just getting better loot and not putting a single point in any skill tree, and there would be very little difference. Going again to Borderlands 3, which in my opinion has the most "complicated" skills in the series, the skills in that game also have some descriptions that are a bit complex or long, but you know what they also have? A little summary that gives you most of the information you need to know to decide if you wanna spend points in that skill. Apart from that, the skills also are extremely beneficial to have, and some skills basically change the combat loop any character has. Let's take, for example, Fl4k, a character which you can spec to do a lot of damage around critical hits and going invisible, or you can also spec into his beast pet, basically turning it into a raid boss and letting it do the most damage, while you also receiving bonuses from that pet. Meanwhile, none of Suicide Squad's skills feel even the slightest to being a game changer, filling like just a stat boost tied to an overly complicated skill. In conclusion, I started playing because I liked the characters and I enjoy looter shooters. I stopped playing because it absolutely fell on its face in these aspect. I came in barely expecting copper, and I found nothing but shit, non refundable shit. I will admit that the casting is extremely talented and that their lines were really well delivered, so it's a dissapointment that they didn't make the dialogue repeat less frecuently, otherwise I would have no problem listening to them every once in a while.
Do any of you care about DC or is it just Batman? Basically every other hero got treated way worse than he did but all I ever hear about is Batman, Batman, Batman.
batman is easily the most popular / second most popular depending on who you ask, and he gets that death scene which was pretty controversial so that made people talk about him
Every big publisher thinks they can make the next Fortnite or Destiny, etc. live service game is ignoring all the lessons learnt during the MMO era, where so many companies were trying to make WOW-killer or (before that) EverQuest-killer MMOs and very few MMOs have succeeded long term,. This all forgets the most important point which is that even if you make the best live-service game ever, people's time is a finite resource and few people have the time to play more than one or two consistently
Well, I think the problem is more making a live service game with a full video game price and then useing tactics that only that works for free to play games.
I should preface this by saying I am an avid player of FO76 but didn't come to it until well after alot of changes had been made (I started right around when Nuka World on Tour launched). Anyway, I would argue that the initial failings of '76 are even more confusing given that they had already made and had some success with ESO. So, while your thesis that studio's that do "X" make a mistake by going in "Y" direction seems to make sense, Bethesda's prior success with ESO would seem to counter that.
since SSKTJL ties around multiverse Batman will return. i kinda agree with Batman death cause it’s like saying goodbye to kevin batman. we get introduce to younger batman with different voice
I will stand by that the publisher should at least get some of the blame for the failure of a live service game. They are never the innocent victim in this mess. Anthem: EA still forced Bioware to use an engine that wasn't meant for RPGs as part of their initiative to mandate that all of their developers use the same proprietary game engine. This is the same engine that made Mass Effect Adromeda to be what it was. They also decided to provide little technical support for the engine which made things harder. Then you had EAs CEO show up on occasion to playtest the game and provide recommendations, this led to the flight mechanics which meant that they had to restructure everything they had built up to that point. Now to be fair Bioware still shares the overwhelming majority of the blame for Anthem. They had no idea what the game was going to be until a year before release when they saw the E3 trailer. Then there's "Bioware Magic" which was hubris in itself because they firmly believed that the game would come together at the last minute like it did for their other projects and didn't put any care into making sure the quality was actually there because they assumed it would turn out alright in the end. Redfall: This completely falls on the publisher. Arkane didn't want to make the game and Zenimax only wanted it in order to make their portfolio look good for the Microsoft buyout. Though Arkane is at fault for not trying to at least do their best with the situation. It's quite clear that they didn't care about or want the game and that's kind of important. Justice League: I can see why people were willing to blame WB outright. Just looking at their track record makes it easy to see why. At the time Rocksteady was a vaunted developer and people weren't willing to put any blame on a company that until now had put out quality games that people enjoyed. Things only changed when Forbes put out the article that basically detailed exactly what happened. Now you have a publisher that didn't ask for a live service game but the developer pushed for it. The implication here though is that anything that wasn't live service was going to rejected anyway, especially with the WBs CEOs current comments on things. Rocksteady fell into the exact same hubristic traps that screwed over Bioware where they firmly believed everything will come together in the end because it worked for their other games which now people are starting to see where chaotic development messes. Except this time around there weren't mental breakdowns happening in closets like with Anthem and you have the two people that pushed the hardest for the game jump ship when they saw it wasn't going to end well.
Honestly the gameplay was pretty fun. I got the 2 hour trial with Plus premium and I mained boomerang, was obsessed with his mock speed force. Story was very, very lacking though but I’m a combat/movement fiend so it didn’t matter
one of the better if not the best reviews and breakdowns of this game. Everyopne just seems to dog pile on THAT SCENE and not talk about much of anything else. It sucks because i wanted this game to be good so much
I feel like theres a better game waiting to happen using this world map. I honestly know nothing about modding, but I've seen what folks have done with games like Skyrim. Be it mods or the devs, it would be cool to see this map used in a way that better brought it to attention🤷♂️
I feel like the easiest slam dunk that this game could’ve done would’ve been to not have Batman in the game up until half way through. Replace all of his interactions with Green Arrow, Ted Cord Blue Beetle, someone who is like Batman but not quite. Still keep the Arkham homages and address them as “symbols of heroism” and say how they all happened in this universe but where ordinary people would’ve been killed, the legendary Batman persevered. Sell it to the audience like he’s dead. Then Batman Returns (pun absolutely intended), and he joins you throughout the remaining game as him and wonder woman try to help you fight the Justice League. Batman takes Wonder Woman’s spot in the dramatic death and Batman gets to go out like a badass that Superman struggled to kill, unlike the dumbass who gets shot by a clown on a park bench
After my exhausting experience with Suicide Squad, I'm starting to think about the Arkham trilogy a lot as something more optimistic. It's one of my most loved series of all time, and I think I'd have a better time talking up Rocksteady for a bit instead.
If that sounds like something you'd watch... lemme know
I think thats everybodys view I just watched a cutsceane movie for SSKTJL and im having to Replay the Arlham games trying to wash out the taste. Origins, even Blackgate, had to take a break after that game were just watched Assult on Arkham, Asylum Im on City now next up Knight
Pro tip: If you want the Long-Form Analysis viewers that give you the most views then go for the "fall asleep" crowd. There are videos I've seen several hundred times for this and I know for a fact I'm not alone. You got the appealing and soothing voice for this. Maybe avoid the high pitch noise parts. Hope your channel grows fast
"the presentation is the best part of this game"
damning with faint praise because the art direction is absolutely hideous, to me that tacky jumble does not remotely resemble metropolis. for one thing it's an east coast city and not littered with palm trees. it looks like the most boring distillation of every other AAA exxtreme game open world game, neon with a sheen of vom.
Please if you did, cover Arkham origins too. Idk why many people ignore this game, it's truly an underrated gem. It even has an online mode, the servers are down unfortunately, but there is a great community keeping it alive. Look up "Arkham origins online revival"
Definitely check that out. It's great for fun and hilarious videos too if you ask me :)
You know. I also know people who have tried crack. Sometimes it is better to just not touch something at all. Much like this game. Glad you got out. But don't support garbage anymore. The industry pumps it out wayy too much these days. People just need to stop consuming product and being excited for next product.
The worst thing about the Batman execution speech is that it's framed like Harley is somehow spitting facts, in fact it always kinda feels like that. But this is the same Harley that tortured Jason Todd for months, ain't no way she's ever taking the moral high ground.
She helped torture and kill children too
I didn’t see it that way. I’ve known people in real life that can’t take any accountability so it felt normal to me lol.
@@inshal6420 I'm not saying she needs to take accountability, cause she clearly does not give a shit about morals and stuff. I'm talking bout how the scene is framed, the serious tone, the speech, it's like the devs made it for us to go "Wait, this kinda makes sense, maybe Batman is an abusive bully", when it really feels out of place for this character who's done horrible horrible things to be preaching all of sudden and for the game to seemingly agree with her
@@inshal6420It's odd though because Harley's bio on Batman in the game is almost the direct opposite of what she says to him in the park scene
@@lurientheenjoyer6711 I think you have completely misread the speech or you are being bad faith. Yes she starts by saying the damage Batman has done but then she ends if with a compliment "Even when you are bad, you are still too good". Referring to evil Batman being bad a trash talk
People aren’t making criticism towards the Justice League’s death because the Suicide Squad was disrespectful. It’s because of how lame it was. ALL of the Leaguers are killed by bullets. This is the equivalent if in Greek Mythos all of the gods were killed by Roman Archers.
Exactly. But players has to win. Not always.
Yeah it's stupid. I'm surpised that Batman's bullet proof cowl didn't deflect the bullet back and kill Harley. It was obvious they writers had some creativity when it came to deaths. They had flash rip out lex's heart and toss it like a stress ball. Why couldn't we have Boomerang decapitate flash or king shark bite green lantern in half?
Worst metaphor ever
@@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour It's actually a simile.
@@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour you have not enough IQ to understand it. Don't be too hard on yourself
The problem with the Batman's murder cinematic is that they tied the characters to the Arkham continuity, and that version of Harley has no right to say the words she does while killing Batman
Plus, it's kind of odd to try and paint the villains going through emotional and physical pain as somehow a blow at the (vigilante) heroes. Most of the Gotham villains willingly and without restraint commit horrendous crimes that unleash untold amounts of pain and suffering on people. Sure, they usually have backstories and motives to do the things they do, but still can choose to not. The whole reason the vigilante heroes are on their tail is to try and figure out what they are up to and to stop it.
While yea, getting clobbered by an angry giant of a man vigilante wearing a million dollar custom-made suit of battle armor isn't going to improve the villain's mental or physical wellbeing, they probably shoulda thought of that before killing, hurting, harming or injuring others as part of elaborate or complicated schemes with planning behind them. Bats is ordinarily more than willing to accept surrender as a reaction to him being present, too, after all. And there have been many olive branches offered to the villains that rather stew in thinking themselves the victims to being stopped from hurting others that you could grow a forest out of them. They chose. They continue to choose. And produce their own pain just as much as feel it. Over simply choosing to be better and stopping it.
Harley isn't really that version of Harley anymore either
This version of batman is psychotic he's every bad barman stereotype rolled into one.
@@Pelican07.23 Yeah, canonically saying that Batman at the end of Knightfall decided to use Scarecrow's fear toxin is wild. He fakes his own death and then just goes back out as Batman anyways to gas criminals with a mind-breaking mix of psychoactive chemicals? Just doesn't make any fucking sense for Batman to do...
That said this version of Harley is nonsense anyways, in the Arkham series she NEVER has any romantic interactions with Poison Ivy, at all. But in Suicide Squad she acts like her an Ivy were in love at some point? Or bestest of friends anyways and that's not true either, Ivy dies to save Gotham and while this happened Harley was still love-drunk absolutely dedicated to Joker.
Not to mention that she tricked a father into giving his terminally ill little girl doses of Titan formula to cause her a painful horrible death so that she could then drive the father to suicide so Joker could steal his amusement park...
Or the year long torture and mind-break of Jason...
She's an absolute scumbag in the Arkham series with 0 redeemable moments and they try to portray her in this 'new leaf' heroic light.
It just bums me cause I thought if they had to have a member of the Justice League aid the SS it would be batman, you could have a lot of fun writing the interactins between harley and batman cause they have so much history and having batman of all people find a way to use these psychos to save metropolis. Basically I wanted the narrative role Wonder woman got to be given to batman.
guardians of the galaxy game is such a criminally underrated gem of a game, the best linear story drive action adventure we have had in years..
When I bought it, I had no clue that it was considered a "hidden" gem. I assumed a lot of ppl knew how awesome that game was. Guardians is one of those games that you can just jump right in for a quick fix of some fun gameplay, even if it's been 6 months since you last played.
@@magnumopus8124 unfortunately a lot of people got in to their minds that the guardians of the galaxy game is just another marvels avengers trashfire even tho it could not be farther from the truth and it got viral online and people started hatebonering it because of miss-information from ignorant idiots..
It's a great game sadly overlooked as people just assumed it was a shitty avengers clone. I've rarely seen a game suffer due to the sins of the father in quite such an obvious way.
@@kwtkold9302 hopefully, the word of mouth will give the game it's due. I'd probably get shot for this, but I also feel it's better than spiderman 2. I found that it leaves a lot to be desired, but I don't have a single complaint about guardians, besides that it ended. Let's hope, the other Marvel games that's coming out are just as good as the first Spiderman and guardians. Though, with the direction insomniac is going, I'm losing hope in the wolverine game. 🤷🏾♂️
It was okay ..
I hate how people say this game shouldn't be compared to the Arkham games. If one of the main selling points and points of story for this game is that it takes place in the arkham verse then we should be comparing it, if they want the position points of an established lore then they have to deal with the consequences.
Imagine if we took that aproach to other games or franchises. "Furuosa a mad max story takes place in and is a prequel to mad max so if youre a fan you should see it, but we shouldn't compare it to the rest of the mad max movies "
Basssed!!!!
Yeah saying it can’t be compared is a major cop out
The rewards screen is unskippable because this game started development in 2016 during the loot box craze
The game likely had loot boxes plann d from the beginning, and forcing players to watch boxes be opened every mission would condition them to think and consider buying more. By the time the loot box hype died in 2019, it was likely too late to make guns drop on the ground and be pickup able, as all missions had now been designed around this. The developers also likely didn't see it as a huge deal to leave the work they made in, even if the lootbox component was taken out.
But hey, that's just a theory. A game theory!
Honestly one game that did loot boxes right was ironically Overwatch. At least you could earn them by playing a game. My account is worth like 1000$ in OG overwatch skins.
i think you can change a boolean to false in 8 years
@@johnstamos5948 tell that to the average game dev studio
The beginning of the game gives each of the Squad characters significant flaws, who are willing to put bombs in each other's heads. Let's do... FUCKING NOTHING with that and just SAY they're bros at the end.
There are no character arcs. It's a flat line.
Flatline? Like the heartbeat of rocksteady flatlining when WB closes the studio in 6 months. Most of the original staff from the batman era are gone anyway.
I wouldn't call it a flat line more like just skipping over an arc entirely they are different at the beginning vs end they just skip over the development of the characters entirely
It's not skipped over.All of it doesn't happen in the cutscenes sure.Some of it in the cutscenes(Like King Shark believeing Boomerang would come back to help and the bonding moment when they lie to Waller about the penguin),some of them in the time between missions(Boomerang asking Deadshot if he's alright,King Shark getting annoyed about being asked about Aquaman,etc.) or in the boss fights/prior to them(The feargas section before the Batman boss fight where the squad does Harley's plan/gambit and they have to trust in eachother to succeed,while cooking confronting their fears and self doubts).There is character development.Its not skipped.Just ignored by you
@petrenicolae3282 The Batman fear gas segment is an example of individual development, which is barely that. A couple of lines with a hallucination isn't the same as significant interaction with the real team. The hallucinations ADDRESS the characters' flaws, but then do nothing to CHANGE the characters from that point. A character arc should result in being DIFFERENT from how you were in the beginning, unless there's a narrative reason for it (like the character's fatal flaw screwing him over in the end to put him back to square one).
For example, Boomerang, whose boasting and extroverted gesturing is a mask over his insecurity, never gets a moment where someone on the team goes, "You're cool with us, Boomer." Or a significant character says, "Shit, you saved my life! Thanks, man." He never gets respect, nor does he grow in humility to think he doesn't need it. He also never has a moment of introspection where he asks, "Oh, shit, the Flash is dead, now what?" That big kill should have changed his attitude for the rest of the game because Flash was his classic nemesis.
Everyone else is similarly static, except maybe Deadshot loosens up a little bit as he gets more enthused about killing the heroes. But King Shark is the same bloodthirsty but mostly affable guy he was, and Quinn is still the same headstrong nut. None of them addressed their differences, just kept killing people, and then they were friends.
@@Montesama314 Captain Boomerang does get respect.Shark believes in him that he won't run away and that he'll be coming back with something to help them(and he does).So a character does say that he's cool.Its just that he's not there to hear it. Boomerang is also respected more by Deadshot and Harley in the squad banter towards the middle and then end of the campaign.
What i found funny is that when most of creators on youtube first played this game, they were like, "and they say this is trash?" "Why do people hate this game, it looks so good". That was only at the beginning of the game. It was only when they got to the flash boss fight is when they finally started realize about the hate, and a calling card of whats to come. And then finally with batmans death, they were completely done with it.
Yeah, everything after the first act actively makes the beginning of the game feel worse in retrospect.
I remember them making fun of ign for saying Flash's bossfight was ass, fixating on "flash is too fast".
For me the alpha went to sh*t when we had recruit penguin.
Yep, after the Batman experience segment, I continued the game with high hopes. Little did I know that this would be the peak of all the game has to offer…….about an hour in.
@@baki484the only time the internet collectively defended the game. We were so oblivious then
@@joet8862so true
you know, Harley lecturing Batman about trauma would have worked way better if she wasn't a psychotic murderer long before Batman got involved. She has Joker to blame for that
But she loved Joker and hated Batman.Also if you use detective mode as you beat thugs in Arkham knight, You start noticing how their bones go weird before bouncing back into place.Batman is also growing more violent in his methods with each game.Harley may be psycho criminal,but she at least seems to be spiting mostly facts.
@@petrenicolae3282What?
Honestly no this Harley is legitimately one of the most evil iterations of the character she murdered a schoolbus full of children just because joker said so and tortured Jason Todd for months while she was a grown woman in her late 20s she can’t scapegoat her acts on joker she had a choice
@@JohnWall-lj1mx Those are from the Arkham comics if I'm not mistaken.those most of the time prove to be very inconsistent with the games.So you can't really take them as valuable characterisation or things the character actually did.
>$40 cosmetics
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Don’t have to buy anything lol 😂.. some people don’t feel like playing hours & doing annoying missions for guns etc.
@@MrAjking808 so instead of going and doing something better with your time you instead resort to using daddy's money? Ewwwwwwwwww spotted the consoomer.
@@MrAjking808If the game was good, you WOULD want to waste your time on that grind. The fact that you’re willing to pay to skip it is a serious indictment of the game
25:47 I think that at this point you did not understand the complaint, the problem is not that they do not treat the Justice League with respect, the complaint is that there is favoritism and it is very inconsistent.
The biggest example of this is the contrast between Flash and Wonder Woman, Flash saved the squad twice, never insulted them and sacrificed his own life for them, despite the attitude and situation and yet when the squad k*lls him, they make fun of him, I understand, they are the bad guys, it's a bad joke, but let's suppose it's their style, but then when Wonder Woman arrives that's when there are problems.
Wonder Woman never treats the team well, her first scene is her attacking them, insulting them and being rac*st towards King Shark (no seriously, Diana, what the hell that wasn't cool), Wonder Woman never treats them well, she never cares about them and she never cooperates and yet she is the only one who receives a dignified and honorable de4th as if she were the best, when not, she acted 100% horrible with the squad.
I mean, Flash, Barry Allen, a hero who even in their worst moments helped and saved them, someone who never insulted them is humiliated and taken as a joke, while the most aggressive girl who genuinely acts like an idiot with them is the one who di3s dramatically?
Flash deserved a dramatic death, if we are going to make this bad joke of making fun of the heroes when they die, do it with everyone, Wonder Woman did not deserve something like that from the squad at all, because she never trusted them, she treated them horribly and it was rac*st to sharks.
Also, it's ironic that right after Wonder Woman dies, Harley is all like "we should change" and then in the next scene she starts making fun of Batman and saying nonsense, like, 0 sense.
To be fair to Wonder Woman, literally everyone here.
Is a massive scumbag who doesn't deserve even the most basic amount of respect.
It's not about dramatization, Wonder Woman was the only one to die without being controlled by Brainiac. Flash was a goon in his boss fight, he was pantsing the cast, running around telling jokes, he was villainized due to Brainiac. Wonder Woman wasn't. They never saw that side of her, all they saw was the God who came in and could go toe to toe with the other Gods and make it out alive. The Suicide Squad is full of morons, why should we care about what they think. Boomerang cutting peoples body parts off as a running gag and constantly foiling the plan, Shark having an ant sized brain, Harley being chaotic, it's really only Deadshot that was the only rational one amongst them which isn't a surprise as he always is in most other media portrayals. You are taking these bad apples of characters far too seriously
@@Flyhr With Flash there is the excuse that he was being mind controlled, not with Wonder Woman, she was a horrible person with the squad from start to finish, I always underestimate them, I insult them, I attack them and to top it all off she is rac*st, there is no excuse.
Flash was going through the worst of it as her and maintained his heroic spirit, the only part where he starts to treat them badly is when he is mentally controlled and anyway, at least he limited himself to insulting them superficially, Wonder Woman was worse.
(No seriously, what the hell with insulting King Shark like that? That was unnecessary)
And it doesn't resolve my question, why does Wonder Woman have a dramatic death? She died as she lived, being a stupid selfish idiot who acts only on impulse.
She discredited the squad that only wanted to help and wasted the little Kryptonite they had in their shield, the few interactions she has with the group are her acting like a complete idiot with people she possibly doesn't even know, she deserves to have her grave peed on.
Btw, I don't understand, I mean, the girl who di/d for her stupid decisions deserves an honorable de4th while the group of superheroes mentally controlled against her will deserve to be insulted? Idk, I think it should be the other way around.
Even thinking that the Squad are a group of idiots, I don't understand why they feel bad for Wonder Woman, that argument doesn't make sense, if they are unpleasant and that's the joke, that they are also unpleasant to Wonder Woman, you can't just skip it.
@@thismandoesntexist7814 Wonder Woman is not a horrible person are you mental? She was fighting a solo war against the Justice League and didn't have time for the Suicide Squad's antics. They are bad people and she knows it, calling her a racist against shark is laughable. All she did was brush Shark's opinion off as she did with the ENTIRE SUICIDE SQUAD. It's not like she beat him to a pulp or anything, she never struck a blow against the Suicide Squad, in fact she saved the group squad two times despite not liking them. Sure you can criticize her decision of not teaming up with the Suicide Squad to optimize her chance of winning but she is a warrior, not a genius like Luthor or Batman. It is very inline with her character. Like I said, Wonder Woman was the only character to die NOT FIGHTING THE SUICIDE SQUAD (NOT CORRUPTED/NOT EVIL). They didn't criticize her death because she was never an enemy unlike the brainwashed heroes who the squad had to individually deal with. Also you said "Wonder Woman doesn't even know the Suicide Squad" She clearly knows who they are; criminals, as she calls out Amanda Waller in their very first interaction with the Suicide Squad.
@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219Oh Wonder Woman's behavior is completely understandable. It's just, in the eyes of the squad, it makes no sense for them to treat her with such respect.
Art déco is such a beautiful style. I always hoped for a DC game centered in a the animated series style / Arkham graphic fidelity world.
And we still need to hope for that
Avengers fell so Sucide Squad could plummet.
Marvel's Avengers: Perhaps we treated you too harshly
@@UniversalLizard Not at all. Two bad things can exist at the same time. Both games are garbage. One is slightly less bad than the other one. We were the accurate level of harshness when Avengers came out.
Something that I found was hypocritical was that the Squad treats the Flash's death with irreverence (i.e. Boomerang pees on The Flash), the same man who saved them from the Batman, while they treated Wonder Woman's death with respect, the same woman who mocked and belittled them the entire time.
1)The Flash was never actually peed on.Also with the exception of Boomerang they were going to treat his Death with respect.
2)Wonder Woman saved them before,but didn't try to kill them after that(The Flash kills lex aftermath and the Flash boss fight). Diana dieing means that one of their allies is dead, someone that did go toe to toe with Superman.Diana also didn't have any personal enemy in the Squad, unlike the other members of the mind controlled Justice League.
They mourned a strong ally that helped them and didn't became their enemy later,that none of them had personal beef with.
@@petrenicolae32821) That makes even less sense, Boomerang usually respects Flash. Why put him as a main Chara ter if you're going to ignore that?
@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs Usually,sure.But it's not in every iteration.Besides that,the Arkham Boomerang is an amalgam Betewn The first Captain Boomerang and his son,the second Captain Boomerang.The one that had speedster powers,was the brother of impulse and killed Kid Flash.Hell,the game's Captain Boomerang's father is named George Digger.So the games Captain Boomerang is the Second Captain Boomerang,who could very well have no respect for the Flash.
@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs If you played the game... You'd realize Boomerang in this universe hates the Flash. It's almost like 99% of yall trashing on the game haven't played it 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
I'm sorry, but saying that Boomerang pissing on Flash's still warm corpse is consistent with who he is as a character, just fundamentally shows you don't know who that character is.
Maybe you can say it's consistent for this terrible game, but Boomerang in this game is nothing like who he actually is.
To add on, The Rogues are extremely honorable villains despite being mere thieves (as opposed to otherworldly warriors with a battle-forged honor code). As per rules they set up, they don’t kill, don’t do drugs, and they respect the Flash.
@@amusingmoose9924The Rogues are the best.
@@amusingmoose9924didn’t they kill, or try to kill the flash?
@@PeopleRTheProblem I don’t think so. They know if they killed Flash, they’d have the entire Justice League on them, which is like having a 6 star wanted level on GTA.
Flash annoys the hell out of him, why would he care what he does with his corpse
That last statement in the video needs a follow-up of 'How much is that actually worth?' People would much sooner return to the Arkham games (As many obviously have) than return to this game. A lot of people have had a sour spot for Arkham Knight due to it's launch, general gameplay loops and narrative decisions and are now coming around to it more in recent years because it still got a lot more right than this game does. Arkham Origins, the notorious 'black sheep' of the 4, does as well. How much is returning to this game for a greater appreciation worth over the first 4 Arkham games?
These properties are not passions for these people. They're vehicles for manipulation and the developers get caught in the middle. We know what Rocksteady are capable of given creative and mechanical freedom.
Hell yeah an hour and a half review of a game that I will never play
bro the quality of this video is premium and im genuinely shocked at the smaller view count!! may your fame come swift Mr Whip
I got an hour into this video before I realised how many views and subs you have, WHAT THE FUCK?? WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE? this video was absolutely incredible and you explain and present everything excellently. I really thought I was watching a 6 figure sub count channel with the amount of professional work you put in.
Good point. This was very well done and the channel hasn’t exploded yet.
He’s gonna grow. I’ve seen his other videos and he’s interesting to listen to. Not repeating the same thing everyone else on RUclips is saying. He just has to upload more lol
With 6 videos having 1000 subs is honestly fairly good
Wonderful comment to read. Thanks heaps!!
You know, I think the reason why people don't like Batman's death scene because of, "ThEy KiLlEd OfF bAtMaN", but everything leading up to that point, with Rocksteady doing him absolute DIRTY in this game, and then calling all that canon in the Arkham games.
They fucked up batman and Harley Quinn lecturing Batman is pathetic, they wouldn't have ever won against him and no it has nothing to do with the nonsense the Internet attempts to divide us with. I just think they could have done so much better.
Its debatable at if they ever win against Batman. Remeber if this is suppose to be the Batman from the Arkham timeline then ya gotta remember that Batman was captured by Harley Quinn in Harley Quinn’s revenge. What proably was holding her back/just killing Batman was proably her love for joker and wanted the revenge to be best as possible and of course this delay is eventually lead to her downfall.
@@fortheburbsandmemes7419 Batman let himself get caught in Harley Quinn's Revenge. Besides he always had a backup plan. Harley Quinn just isn't a threat to Batman. If anyone in the Arkhamverse should kill Batman it's Deathstroke. That makes more sense than Harley Quinn.
Like so, so many problems in current entertainment media: they had great parts and great people. Fantastic puzzle pieces ready to be assembled into a masterpiece.
Then they shot hot glue all over the pieces and crammed them into a mountain before claiming "It's quirky and interesting!"
No little one, it's a mess.
The fundamental problem with these games is that they always take time, often years, to reach their full potential; yet once they come out they're directly competing with games that have already had those years to refine themselves. I'm sure this game could've gathered an audience if it came out back in 2014, but in 2024, why would I play this instead of a game like Destiny 2, Warframe, or Final Fantasy XIV?
Bro, just because everyone was being negative doesn't mean they were being irrational. We had EVERY reason to hate this game, it was lazy and soulless and Rocksteady have proved they can do way better than that.
Soulless? Yea, lol
It definitely lacked the soul the Arkham games had...
But now lazy? No, them being a single player studio, making for the 1st time a live service, open world game, with multiple characters, ballance issues to be done, server trying to process all the data, it was in development for years mate, it's not lazy, it's just the wrong developer for the wrong genre and universe (killing batman killed the game)
@@danipatac7210 oh yeah those boss fights were definitely done with passion and care, weren't they? They weren't lazy AT ALL
Those multiple characters were also done with care, weren't they? Playing as a different character DEFINITELY feels very different from any other character, doesn't it?
And don't even get me started on the enemy variety. The fact that this game was developed for years makes it even more lazy because that means the game should have been way better than what it is.
@@JuanDiegoCorreaQuintero-ss1pd I see you don't understand game development nor are you aware what happened at the studio, just letting you know that game development is hard and that this project was redone multiple times and that the studio heads fucked the Devs up a lot of times, and when they left the studio was like fuck it, it is what it is and WB was just after the money of the live service, you can't be lazy when you're working in crunch, that's not how it works...
@@danipatac7210 man you are absolutely hilarious. I said boss fights were terrible and you replied that I don't know how game development works, are you implying that I need to be a game developer in order to know if a boss fight is well designed?
@@JuanDiegoCorreaQuintero-ss1pd I'm implying that you don't know what you're talking about when you call somebody lazy lol
I was agreeing with you that the game is bad you smooth brain💀
I was telling you WHY it's bad not just "ItS lHaZy"💀
But it's RUclips, people don't like knowledge on here... Have a good one mate lol
This game is absolutely horrendous, one of the worst concept games ever, one of the worst gameplay mechanics ever, easily one of the worst narratives ever, however it does look good sometimes but honestly you can only polish a turd so much before you realise it’s a turd.
You know,
sometimes a game really is just that bad.
Here's hoping this game gets the warframe overhaul in the future.
Probably not since the community sacc'd it before it could grow. The game is alot better than it actually seems, people love to shit on it for $$$. (Recently got myself and 3 other friends into it) Definitely not worth 60$, but I got it free and they paid 20$ and all of us unanimously agreed its ATLEAST worth 30$.. its much better than anybody gives it credit for.
I refunded after the tutorial when every character was the comic relief fighting for the next clever quip.
Damn ur cool
Rocksteady said years ago they would make a Superman game after the Arkham series. They built Metropolis and assets for this Superman game and were going to announce it officially until their shareholders got wind of the Live Service game model and wanted a slice of the action. Made Rocksteady make Suicide Squad instead, leading to many staff leaving after seeing how bad this would end up.
This is what happened, I just know it.
Have i ever told you the definition of insanity, cause these higher ups that run these companies seem to be.
Surprised this video didn't blow up by now. Great video. Detailed, coherent explanations and well done summary and research, all in one.
As an Arkham fan since City on Xbox 360, it's sad and disappointing to see just how awfully they have destroyed their franchise. And they keep destroying it even more.
If anything, if only out of (albeit obviously undeserved) respect for the devs, and also because I am curious how long it will last, even with the atrocious writing it has, I will still give this game a shot.
I've been saying since it came out that this game is something I'd happily play for a handful of hours if it was free or cost 20 bucks.
Like you said, the presentation is pretty great, and I'm one of those brain rotted goblins that actually enjoy grindy looter shooter shit. I think the main problem is that they tried to sell it as a full price AAA game when it's clearly not worth anywhere near that. At this point I'll only play it if it becomes free, because I'm not spending money on something that'll be taken offline before the end of the year.
Great video btw! I'm really stoked that RUclips has started recommending me fellow lower sub channels, the quality of your content is fantastic and I'm certain that you'll grow in no time!
It's 60% off right now if it's any consolation. Or if not, then, wild guess, it'll probably go free on Epic after two years.
I don't mind always online looter shooters at all, but on those aspects alone this game is tamer compared to most games of the same genres. If anything, this is an ok time killer if you have no better options.
I somewhat doubt the game will stay online for two years considering what happened with The Avengers, but yeah, it really is one of those brainless time killers I'd be okay with playing through once, but not much more.@@nonamius3434
Thanks!
Yeah, this game is a great example why having no offline options is a terrible decision generally.
They JUST gave this for free about a week ago, and my friends decided to get into it after seeing me play for a bit. All of us decided its at minimum worth 30$, and people shit on it too easily. The story has SOME holes, but the gameplay is pretty up there for the $$$, if you aren't spending more than like 25-40$.
I 110% feel like this game was shot in the foot by its community, they expected something on launch that it just wasn't meant to be, and then torched it. People piggy backed off that type of sense and it just got worse. (Creators amplified this a ton ngl)
Its discounted on Epic still, or you can pick it up 3rd party for cheap. (17$-20$)
Am i the only one who didnt get Harley's speech as a 'Moral Highground' speech but more like her pointing out the literal irony of her, the one Villain he always deemed to be the least dangerous, to be the one who ends up killing him...?
This Game was a Mistake the moment it was Leak, no matter if it’s Rocksteady this “Game” had so many Red Flags from the Beginning
I defended this game. I was suckered in at launch, because I love DC comics. I loved and still love the idea, but it was executed so poorly. I had fun with it, and I enjoyed it more than Gotham Knights. But then when it clicked that "This is it" my enjoyment was killed.
Glad that I had the time with the game that I did enjoy, but yeah it's not good.
Let this be a lesson then, lol.
I love how people have this argument, but when you compare it to something like Spiderman 2 on Ps5(I got PS5 just for Spiderman and Spiderman 2, aswell as UFC 5), its literally no different... (except here we have 4 characters, and builds...) SSktJK has great gameplay, and a sub-par story for hardcore fans, but a intriguing one for new comers. It's not nearly as bad as people claim it is, it's not worth 60$, but around 20-30$ it's a decent play.
Imagine how better this game would be if Batman was the one helping the Squad. Maybe the game would've done better than it did. Batman helping the Squad makes more sense than Wonder Woman. Batman heroically sacrificing himself would've been heartbreaking. If any character in this game deserved an honorable death it's Batman. The dude literally built this franchise and he gets shot on a park bench for it. I don't know why Rocksteady would ruin their legacy like this. It doesn't make any sense.
Game would've done better if the community didn't set it ablaze at the start for it not being what they envisioned before it even launched. Also people do 0 research and aswell as don't play the game, but still shit on it. People also love to claim this is a Rocksteady disaster but fail to realize/research, Rocksteady got this game in the middle of it's development, they didn't make it entirely, the game swapped studios. (Also after playing the game and hearing the audio logs, batman doesn't make sense. Brainiac had to control batman for his intellect & strategy, he was the biggest threat to him other than Superman)
22:12 its almost as if this should’ve been a wonder woman game trying to save her friends featuring the SS
Someone at Rocksteady should've had the sense early on to turn this into a Teen Titans game, instead of a making a Suicide Squad game that no one wanted.
I just finished the video and went to turn on one of your other videos and was SHOCKED to see your sub count. only 2.7k for this level of quality?? I'm subbed now and defenitively looking forward to more of your videos.
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I think it is necessary to compare it to the Arkham games. After all, Rocksteady made a big deal about it being in the Arkhamverse during the marketing.
EDIT: Boomerang nearly pissing on Flash isn't consistent with his character. Boomerang and Flash's entire rogue's gallery respect the Flash. It sets them apart from all of the other heroes' villains. Harley's character is unfortunately consistent with Rocksteady's flawed characterization of Harley, but as that first half of the sentence might have implied - Rocksteady fundamentally misunderstands Harley as a character.
Having her react like that is fundamentally flawed. It opposes everything that makes her who she is in other media. She DOES respect Batman. When the Joker's around she doesn't because she's indoctrinated by Joker but when he's not around to influence her she has respect for Batman. In any reality where he died and FIVE YEARS PASSED she'd never say anything like she does in that moment.
Towards the end of the video Fortnight is mentioned a lot. But I actually remember Fortnight in its earliest form. It was a tower defense/ base building game. It started conceptually as there was some sort of zombie disease you’d be dropped into the world complete with enemies to gather loot and resources then come back to your base and build it up for a tower assault. You could have traps and NPCs to man the turrets. The charm and the art style was solid to begin with. At some point the PVP was added later. I don’t even know if the tower defense still even exists as I actually like tower defense games better and detest PVP so I’ve quit following the game because I don’t like it. However that’s my own taste: the game is massively popular, and my own dissatisfaction with the game’s direction aside you can’t fault the devs for seeing something that worked and running with it, good for them! Their success is deserved. That said much like that one successful streaming service it’s hard to replicate that initial success. Not only do you need to add some innovation which is hard on its own, you also have to pull people away from the service they already invested in which is really really hard. I’ve never had a streaming service besides Netflix myself.
So I think this critique is very fair. It really drills down to the issue. I knew this game had no soul I knew that the game at the foundation was flawed there’s no fixing it, but like many other videos I couldn’t quite pinpoint the problem. Now I also like the assets of the game, I think you might be able to salvage those. Metropolis is beautiful and the facial animations are lovely. I am more critical I think of the writing. I don’t think the story works at all. For a serviceable rewrite see Alastor Hacon’s channel where he quickly and with very little research writes the story about 110Xs better. He’s not an amateur though he’s got a published series of books.
Edit: I have no association with the creator Alastor Hacon I like his critiques and I read his books.
This is a good essay to make on a game like this.
This game is horrendous and there’s no way around that, but that doesn’t mean we can’t acknowledge what it did right.
Trying to like it proves there was an honest attempt and that’s honestly more than the game deserves these days
The actually isn’t good though and it was painfully obvious from the very first gameplay trailer. It’s not a hate train when it’s true.
I’ll add that Destiny 1 faced the same kind of adversity at its launch, but since there was actually something there,the game survived. Suicide Squad is quite shallow on all fronts.
Destiny only survived because it was back when the only other looter shooter was borderlands, and borderlands 3 was nowhere to be seen
Also because bungie and Activision sold the farm and the kids into slavery to fund destiny, it failing wasn't an option, or it meant the closure of the studio.
Destiny still isn't good Imo, but that's because I hate the mixing of the worst fps tropes with the worst MMO tropes
This is a genuine question: Why didn't superman just fly the damn alien ship into the sun or something?
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
you can absolute feel how the creativty of the game is killed by the money-company-obligatory grind
like having BIZARRO WEAPON bane weapon idontknow Killer croc rocket launcher
or the fact the DLC story are just 5 min of cinematic with the same boss purple
absolute trash in all areas
How... Seriously ask yourself how. The grind isn't that bad, it's really easy. I've played for about a week, I just started grinding seasons and i'm already 70+. DLC story isn't traditional DLC... it's seasonal content that is FREE... 100% understandable on any front.
The game would've got more love if people didn't shit on it for it not being their perfectly envisioned game on launch. Villain thematics on weapons is a non-issue, they offer effects corresponding to their thematic. (actually really smart...) and even synergize and combine to make new effects (cool addition)
@@warmanreaper the Story is garbage . . . I can't take the dialogue when IS unfunny and repetitive (they can't have a silence of 2 secs)
The grind mechanic is not the problem, the problem is the 3 same missions you have like MOVING THE CAR
Is online so you can't play It without internet, is full of Microtransactions like SKINS WITH RECOLOUR HAVE PRICES WHAT
Man… like many other people the Arkham trilogy were one of the game that shaped my taste
Games that 1# objective is making you immersed as the character you are playing as and the world around you. Games that value its art design to much that has the HUD elements be as minimal and clean as possible. Games that let you slowly appreciate the visual elements and environment of the game a
It’s absolutely disheartening to see a studio that I used to value so much release a game that is the complete polar opposite to what I value the most in games. I cannot look at a few seconds of this game without being legitimately nauseous.
The Arkham games also had this love and passion to Batman and his world. That made me look into comic book and appreciate the characters in a new level. So to see the “same studio” throw away established lore from the comics, completely retcon aspects of the OG trilogy and treat Arkham Batman like a mistake…. Disappoint can’t not describe how I felt.
I am pretty sure I seen the transition between gameplay and cutscene done similarly some years prior in Max Payne 3
Yes, but not the element where the geometric approach of your character walking into the scene is taken into account in how the cutscene plays out. Character eyelines, positions, general staging, etc will be *slightly* different depending on the angle you walked into the scenes. It takes a lot of work, but whether you think it makes a big difference is up to you. To me, it comes off as a noticeably more natural blend into cutscenes than even just a camera-control swap (in something as early as Sly Racoon which did this as another comment has mentioned). Max Payne 3 is similar, it integrates the final kill-cams into the transition to the next cutscene, and I don't know of any other games which quite do it like that, I do think it's pretty effective. But as far as I remember, there's no 'walking into a cutscene' like in Rocksteady's last 2 main games (but maybe I'm mis-remembering)
1:08:02 It's sad how out of these 4, only 76 is the only one still alive and kicking.
I never let what the internet thinks influence my views on a game. There are plenty of games I've played in recent time that were panned by people where I went "man, this was actually quite good"
CoD: Advanced Warfare and CoD: Infinite Warfare for instance had excellent campaigns, absolutely loved them.
That being said, a few games recently that I tried and beat, among which are Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, Forspoken and Saints Row 2022 absolutely deserved the hatred for them. Absolute slog of games. I beat all 3 of them, because I give games fair chances to surprise me, but they just didn't. SS:KTJL genuinely was just boring. A nonsensical storyline with major plot points that were too distracting, disrespect towards the original Arkham-verse, copy-paste boss fights that were just bullet sponges, and basically only 5 mission structures that were repeated ad nauseum (but even then those 5 mission structures were incredibly similar)
Bad concept, poor execution, terrible writing, passionless and tasteless
Suicide Squad kills the justice league
I played the game before. Got a legendary SMG for Harley. It drops a live grenade when I crit so with my 1 capacity nuke grenade I didn't have to do much but wait for the critical to win. Oh also when I nuke the area I had a chance to have another live grenade to drop with harley so nothing survived.
Batman: "You can defeat me by working together. Your team, your family, can turn the tide to victory."
Squad: *goes through INDIVIDUAL mental journeys, with no sincere emotional interactions between the teammates the entire game, just point guns at Batman and shoot*
@@ryszakowy I was imagining the squad just shooting in random directions around the cave in a weird sort of bad trip, and the reason Batman got hit so many times is because he literally couldn't predict the actions and lines of fire of four excited gunmen hopped up on hallucinogens.
How funny would it be if the Guardians of the Galaxy (game) director came along and helped develop a sequel that is infinitely better
What people need to come to terms with is this isn't the rocksteady we know and love. The vast majority of the people that made those games what they are don't work there anymore and didn't work on this game, or at least left years before it released. The odds of us getting another good rocksteady game are slim to none. I can tell you one thing for sure, we definitely won't get another rocksteady game with a good story. They'll continue to piss all over the characters we know and love bc they can't stand them.
I fund it weird how captain boomerang and the almost pissing on him wierd because in the comics when he and another villain killed the flash the other villain was going to unmask flash but boomerang said no hes dead and thats enough flash's rogues usually respect him im not counting thawne because he is a huge exception
I'm a fan of sandbox shooters and I've been looking for a game to scratch my Infamous itch for a while. The game does look really appealing to me and I honestly enjoy grindy looter games, but I can't just ignore the criticism and consensus on the game.
Still might pick it up once they release offline mode and it's on a big sale.
It's on a big sale, it's $28 right now if you feel like throwing dinner money at it.
@thedon6572 Nah, I can wait for it to go lower
Appreciate the tip though!
Don't. Just don't. They don't deserve your money. The hate is not unjustified. Without even knowing what other shooters you've played, I can confidently say they are way better than this gargabe.
@JuanDiegoCorreaQuintero-ss1pd I've tried most of the big shooters at least once, but I enjoyed most Destiny 2, the Doom reboots, and the first Painkiller.
And you make a fair point, but if the sale is big enough, then they are losing money no matter what. It wouldn't be going directly to executives, more to keep the lights on, and I'm conformable with that ethicaly. I think Rocksteady was not managed well and put out out a bad game and should not be rewarded for it, but I don't think everyone there should lose their job either.
Hey well done, you did well and the video wasn't streched out, it was well worth diving deeply 💯👌
I played half way through the campaign and I think it was a great piece of work but if you like live service looters there’s already Destiny and Warframe and Division and when Suicide Squad and Outriders fail I just wonder if there’s just no more room for this genre. I can’t include Helldivers as it’s too specifically its own thing to my mind but now that’s succeeded so well I think there’s less room than ever for a “full-time job” style live service game.
So people from Destiny and WF come and have a go at these great efforts but inevitably go back to their decade-established hobby.
I really enjoyed this and agree with you on most of its strengths and it’s just tragic to see it fail.
Phenomenal analysis and an excellent look not just at this game, but the underlying trends that have been frustratingly more common in the gaming industry as of late. Your perspective was very informative and refreshing to hear, I’ve heard so many people complain about this stuff but you’re the first person I’ve watched whose taken a step back to offer some new points and critique the flaws within the public discussion on these topics as well. I hope you make more videos about the live service problem/other topics of discourse in the gaming industry, I know they’d make for a great watch!
thank you for editing the subs!
I can't stand the auto-generated subtitles, and I grew up with a deaf family member, so making sure the subs are high quality in my videos is important to me. Glad it helped!
I do not think that consumer expectations of "bigger and better" are any reason or excuse for the bad quality we get from AAA developers.
The reason i say that is, there is tons of indi developers with almost no or much less budget and staff to work with.
And still these indi developers seem to be able to create amazing content....even in the standards of today.
With all the money they have and all the people, they could make amazing art.
But cutting costs is more important to them than quality.
this video made me want to replay Prototype again
Is it just me, or has facial capture gotten worse? It's almost like the actual emotional performance capture is still improving, but they've stopped doing pure face scans for the actor. It's like Horizon Zero Dawn all over again, where they inexplicably altered the actresses face in game to look unnatural. There are women with traditionally masculine features, but all they did was make her chin a brick instead of a chin shape. My point is that modifying an actor's face without regard for the uncanny valley gives you this: near photo realism that looks kinda bad just cuz it lacks style.
A lot of people express confusion about how live service cash grabs keep getting released, and it really does boil down to that risk-reward, though I suspect there's some condescension in there as well, especially from any studio who's gathered a large playerbase lauding their games. It's similar to why gacha games are such a draw: the return is so, so absurdly high that it massively outweighs the risk in the eyes of corporate greed. And many of those who get blinded by their avarice simply tend look down on consumers, believing that if there's a large audience already, they'll buy whatever is put out, despite repeated events showing exactly the opposite.
I do think there's some genuine intent behind this in the hands of the devs, who perhaps genuinely thought they could make something incredible, especially if this was previously going to be a new IP rather than a DC game. You can see it in the love they put into building the city. But the writing falls flat, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were due at least in part to having to bend the story to attempt fitting these characters rather than those it was originally intended for. And that's really disappointing.
I’ll be surprised if this game lasts all 13 seasons I don’t think it will.
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I feel like this ignores the fact that part of a legacy, are those that witness. This statement is simple putting off actually addressing the issue, and just wiping your hands of it, rather than acknowledging any valid issues people may have with this choice of direction.
Only because I've seen this type of comment recently a couple other times, I'll paste my reply to another similar comment that was made a while ago:
I did say that I didn't want to spend too much time on it, so I'll say my last words here.
You're correct that a legacy is not entirely self-contained. It's shaped not just by the core merits of the work one does, but also by the wider effect that work has had on industries, communities, and individuals. Also by the people who have supported you along the way as you mention. And it's also shaped by the perception other people have about you, this is a core part of a legacy.
To me, Kevin Conroy's legacy is defined, at least in part, by the actual quality of his work, particularly by defining one of the most strongly celebrated interpretations of Batman in the animated series. The quality of this work has then has a massive effect on its fans. Batman the Animated Series and the Justice League series have a lot of touching moments brought to life by Kevin Conroy that I know have had a genuine positive effect on so many people. And of course, the Arkham series means a lot for so many people, and that's also in a large part due to the performance Kevin gave in those games. To me though, more than all of this, Kevin Conroy was a huge fan of his fans too. He was always extremely public about his love of the role, and he spent a lot of his time, unpaid, engaging and interacting with fans.
I could go on about his relationship with costars, and about his dedication to working with writers to get the tone of the character right whenever he had the chance, but ultimately his care about the character, and his involvement in the community and fandom is one of the largest reasons he has been so respected for his career portraying Batman. Taking the role of Batman in Suicide Squad was, as far as anyone is able to prove, fully his own decision and something he wanted to do. In other words, an extension of his dedication to the character and his fans, simply because it was another chance to take a Batman role seriously.
Now, I also need to stress: am I defending the way Batman was written in Suicide Squad? Absolutely not. It was handled extremely poorly, and gives zero payoff to Batman's history in the Arkham games. Literally almost anything would have been better. So yes, the writers failed to do justice to what was coincidentally Kevin's last video game performance. Will some people view Kevin's legacy playing Batman in a poorer light because of it? Maybe a small number will, but I'm not convinced it would be any more than a minority. Most complaints I hear are people worried or annoyed about some kind of tarnished legacy, not actually about the fact that their view of his legacy has changed. I don't see less respect for Kevin himself anywhere.
He was playing Batman until he physically no longer could. Again, to me, this is consistent with his love for the character which is what makes his legacy as strong as it has been over the majority of his career. In a decade's time, I doubt Suicide Squad will be mentioned alongside his name anywhere near as often as his other works. He is still the voice of Batman in multiple upcoming animated shows. The quality of the writing in one game is a drop in the ocean against the wider work which will live on in his name, and the fans he has inspired along the way. This is my perception of his legacy, and if that isn't the same as someone else's, that's fine. But to them, I'd just suggest taking a breath, throwing on Mask of the Phantasm, and looking at things more holistically.
To add onto your final point of how it isn't just WB's fault - companies like Rocksteady and WB - and every other AAA developer and publisher - don't just want money; they want all the money plus change. The execs making the decisions cut each other huge checks and just do layoffs when their umpteenth live service inevitably fails.
Really great videos, i was around in the early days of Monty Zander who is in a similar style (albeit Scottish lol!) and i think its clear as day this channel will also do very well.
Thanks!
I feel like the creators didn’t watch the suicide squad movie other than to design the characters, and I think they really should have carried the tone
"Did you get him?"
When I first heard that, I literally laughed out loud. I haven't done that since Borderlands 2.
This game sucks, but that was good.
The more i hear about this game, the more i feel like this really DID have potential to be a hit. They just made 2 or 3 mistakes. Mostly relating to the multiple changes in direction that it had.
No, no, dead on arrival and far more than 2 or 3 mistakes.
B-list characters were pushed to the forefront in an attempt to start a new big franchise while ignoring the demand for a Superman game and/or Justice League game.
A Superman Game was vetoed, and the Flash game and Batman Beyond game were canceled for Suicide Squad.
Before we even talk about the actual video game, the very principle of it is already effed.
@@BowenEros-gt8gn This has been debunked. There new was a Superman game. It wasn't even a proposed idea. Sefton Hill proposed a shooter himself.
"2 or 3 mistakes" 😂😂😂😂
Very good video! There's only one criticism that I would consider to be "unfair." The part where you describe the combat and how you deal with grunts, brutes, and tanks.
Obviously, when doing things in the most optimal way, it's going to be extremely simple. You can do this with literally anything. Simplify it and make it sound stupid. Arkham Knight, Blue Lightning Bolts = press Y/Triangle, Yellow Lightning Bolts = hold Y/Triangle, Red Lightning Bolts = Dodge, Press X/Square for damage, occasional enemies that require batclaw or cape stun. Everything else (blade takedowns, special combo moves, quickfire gadgets) are totally optional.
Before anyone sees red and comes after me, I'm NOT saying that SSKTJL has fantastic combat that revolutionized gaming like Arkham. Just that reducing things to the most basic only required parts is rather disingenuous, imo. Other than that, every critcism you levied is absolutely valid. Great video like I said
Thanks for the comment. I really appreciate the genuine and detailed constructive criticism.
I do see your point. Yeah, as a player you really just contend with how elements of a game interact together, and how you as a player interact with them. A play experience is an emergent phenomenon, and doesn't depend inherently on the isolated elements.
I still think it's true that the lack of variety in combat is an issue. The Arkham games are, as I even say in the video, strong via their simplicity. But the game leverages the Batman fantasy with a really satisfying combat loop, and with clean powerful animations, such that there's a lot of extrinsic reason to engage with the optional complexities of combat.
Suicide Squad, however, does have a fairly limited range of enemies and combat approaches,. The real issue here though is that there is no incentive, either intrinsically (like with in-game rewards), or extrinsically (like the satisfaction that comes with pulling off unique moves), that most players will feel fatigued very quickly with a very obvious flatness to the gameplay variety.
So yes, you're right that my criticism actually missed the core of the issue I was trying to highlight. I'm glad you pointed that out.
The boss fights had so much potential, so did the story had the Batcave been the first stop and we saw Bruce explain. Flash fight woulda been cool if laying traps and trip wires was the way to get him, taunts for Green Lantern and Batman being like Mr X woulda been amazing, the only thing you can do is run from him😂 🔥
You deserve way more subscribers. Your video is so well done and put together. Unlike the game 😂💀
Thanks for the compliment (and yeah, shame about the whole game thing)
I feel like I have a monkey's paw in my hand every time I say that I do want an online co-op superhero game. Something always seems to go horribly awry.
two words...live service. that is the reason it is bad...its the reason MOST games are bad nowadays...
sweet baby
inc oh no is three words and they can write all games even if they are a "tiny company" and they even can blackmail china develops like Black Myth wukong
The first mission set the game for me. Instead of a cutscene of metropolis being invaded or the fight between brainiac as he takes control over the league and city. We don’t get any of that, not even an opening with a big bang that gets you excited for more like the avengers game. It starts slowly and flat and remains as such
I like the gameplay but damn did everything else fall apart quickly 😞
I would have been come around if they had replace Justice League with the Crime Syndicate instead. Imagine how fun it would have been to actually see Evil vs Evil in that way? Not too mention, Brainiac Brainwash Superman action in the game would have fit better with Ultraman.
I bought this game for like $10 after hearing all the criticism and just thinking that I'm gonna find it mediocre at most, being more interested on the charactersand enjoying looter shooters. After around 3 hours, I noticed 3 things that made me stop playing:
1) The loot doesn't feel rewarding to get. It's barely been a couple of missions and I had already gotten 3 yellow weapons through the bland and boring mission reward screen, with perks that didn't change much their use, functioning basically the same way as their white rarity version, but with better numbers. Compare it to the Borderlands series, Borderlands 2 had some pretty unique loot, but even the more "generic" legendaries, like the Hammer Buster, were fairly useable. Apart from that, the grind for a certain weapon or looking for a gun with a specific part combination always felt rewarding after getting what you were looking for. Borderlands 3 also suffered from the issue of "legendary" loot being too common and getting way too much. However, it balanced things a bit with having all legendaries be really distinct and work in completely different ways.
2) One of the main interests I had for the game were the story and the characters, the Suicide Squad being one of my favorite group of misfits and villains. I enjoyed their characters a lot at the very start of the game and found their dialogues to be funny. However, while I was looking for some of the Riddler's collectibles, I started to get pretty annoyed becuase the characters would literally not stop talking. I was trying to focus in finding which building the Riddler wanted me to take a picture/scan/whatever, and I couldn't even concentrate for a second due to the constant talking between characters or by any of the controlled Justice League members. It led me to look up on google if there's a way to turn of this dialogue, to find out that not only is this dialogue impossible to mute, but that it's gonna get worse once Brainiac starts using the comms too.
3) The skill system seems overbloated and overcomplicated for a game with such a simple combat loop. Again, I only played barely 3 hours, so this is all based on just reading each perk, but there are way too many skills that have no business being so overly long and complicated, when the combat loop is so simple and repetitive. I feel like you literally could go though the game just getting better loot and not putting a single point in any skill tree, and there would be very little difference. Going again to Borderlands 3, which in my opinion has the most "complicated" skills in the series, the skills in that game also have some descriptions that are a bit complex or long, but you know what they also have? A little summary that gives you most of the information you need to know to decide if you wanna spend points in that skill. Apart from that, the skills also are extremely beneficial to have, and some skills basically change the combat loop any character has. Let's take, for example, Fl4k, a character which you can spec to do a lot of damage around critical hits and going invisible, or you can also spec into his beast pet, basically turning it into a raid boss and letting it do the most damage, while you also receiving bonuses from that pet. Meanwhile, none of Suicide Squad's skills feel even the slightest to being a game changer, filling like just a stat boost tied to an overly complicated skill.
In conclusion, I started playing because I liked the characters and I enjoy looter shooters. I stopped playing because it absolutely fell on its face in these aspect. I came in barely expecting copper, and I found nothing but shit, non refundable shit. I will admit that the casting is extremely talented and that their lines were really well delivered, so it's a dissapointment that they didn't make the dialogue repeat less frecuently, otherwise I would have no problem listening to them every once in a while.
52:25 I get what you're doing, and not to say I disagree with what you're saying, but please don't do that again.
52:50 please don't use that effect again, it really triggered my tinnitus.
Do any of you care about DC or is it just Batman? Basically every other hero got treated way worse than he did but all I ever hear about is Batman, Batman, Batman.
batman is easily the most popular / second most popular depending on who you ask, and he gets that death scene which was pretty controversial so that made people talk about him
@@idlegameplayer3756 At least he gets a scene lol. Superman just shouts and falls down dead, that is so much worse.
Great video and solid points.
You deserve more views.
Every big publisher thinks they can make the next Fortnite or Destiny, etc. live service game is ignoring all the lessons learnt during the MMO era, where so many companies were trying to make WOW-killer or (before that) EverQuest-killer MMOs and very few MMOs have succeeded long term,.
This all forgets the most important point which is that even if you make the best live-service game ever, people's time is a finite resource and few people have the time to play more than one or two consistently
Well, I think the problem is more making a live service game with a full video game price and then useing tactics that only that works for free to play games.
I should preface this by saying I am an avid player of FO76 but didn't come to it until well after alot of changes had been made (I started right around when Nuka World on Tour launched). Anyway, I would argue that the initial failings of '76 are even more confusing given that they had already made and had some success with ESO. So, while your thesis that studio's that do "X" make a mistake by going in "Y" direction seems to make sense, Bethesda's prior success with ESO would seem to counter that.
I wished people would have stopped ranting and moaning about Batman's death in the game. That was actually the least of the game's problems.
I thought you said the game was in development for 67 years.
Still wouldn't have fixed its issues
since SSKTJL ties around multiverse Batman will return. i kinda agree with Batman death cause it’s like saying goodbye to kevin batman. we get introduce to younger batman with different voice
I will stand by that the publisher should at least get some of the blame for the failure of a live service game. They are never the innocent victim in this mess.
Anthem: EA still forced Bioware to use an engine that wasn't meant for RPGs as part of their initiative to mandate that all of their developers use the same proprietary game engine. This is the same engine that made Mass Effect Adromeda to be what it was. They also decided to provide little technical support for the engine which made things harder. Then you had EAs CEO show up on occasion to playtest the game and provide recommendations, this led to the flight mechanics which meant that they had to restructure everything they had built up to that point. Now to be fair Bioware still shares the overwhelming majority of the blame for Anthem. They had no idea what the game was going to be until a year before release when they saw the E3 trailer. Then there's "Bioware Magic" which was hubris in itself because they firmly believed that the game would come together at the last minute like it did for their other projects and didn't put any care into making sure the quality was actually there because they assumed it would turn out alright in the end.
Redfall: This completely falls on the publisher. Arkane didn't want to make the game and Zenimax only wanted it in order to make their portfolio look good for the Microsoft buyout. Though Arkane is at fault for not trying to at least do their best with the situation. It's quite clear that they didn't care about or want the game and that's kind of important.
Justice League: I can see why people were willing to blame WB outright. Just looking at their track record makes it easy to see why. At the time Rocksteady was a vaunted developer and people weren't willing to put any blame on a company that until now had put out quality games that people enjoyed. Things only changed when Forbes put out the article that basically detailed exactly what happened. Now you have a publisher that didn't ask for a live service game but the developer pushed for it. The implication here though is that anything that wasn't live service was going to rejected anyway, especially with the WBs CEOs current comments on things. Rocksteady fell into the exact same hubristic traps that screwed over Bioware where they firmly believed everything will come together in the end because it worked for their other games which now people are starting to see where chaotic development messes. Except this time around there weren't mental breakdowns happening in closets like with Anthem and you have the two people that pushed the hardest for the game jump ship when they saw it wasn't going to end well.
Honestly the gameplay was pretty fun. I got the 2 hour trial with Plus premium and I mained boomerang, was obsessed with his mock speed force. Story was very, very lacking though but I’m a combat/movement fiend so it didn’t matter
one of the better if not the best reviews and breakdowns of this game. Everyopne just seems to dog pile on THAT SCENE and not talk about much of anything else. It sucks because i wanted this game to be good so much
I'll say this much for it: Suicide Squad made me appreciate Gotham Knights way more.
I feel like theres a better game waiting to happen using this world map. I honestly know nothing about modding, but I've seen what folks have done with games like Skyrim. Be it mods or the devs, it would be cool to see this map used in a way that better brought it to attention🤷♂️
I feel like the easiest slam dunk that this game could’ve done would’ve been to not have Batman in the game up until half way through.
Replace all of his interactions with Green Arrow, Ted Cord Blue Beetle, someone who is like Batman but not quite. Still keep the Arkham homages and address them as “symbols of heroism” and say how they all happened in this universe but where ordinary people would’ve been killed, the legendary Batman persevered.
Sell it to the audience like he’s dead.
Then Batman Returns (pun absolutely intended), and he joins you throughout the remaining game as him and wonder woman try to help you fight the Justice League. Batman takes Wonder Woman’s spot in the dramatic death and Batman gets to go out like a badass that Superman struggled to kill, unlike the dumbass who gets shot by a clown on a park bench