Voice Coach Reacts & Analyses | Jinjer - Judgement (And Punishment)
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- Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2021
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Here is something that you'll find even more impressive, Tatiana is entirely self taught, she had a vocal lesson I believe when she was a teenager, but that was it. Also she has said numerous times that she doesn't know exactly what "technique" she uses to scream/growl, but whatever it is works for her. Jinjer is an amazing band as a whole, very unique, very versatile, but everything they produce is amazing, at least for me. Peace and as always, stay Metal young lady. 😊🤘🤘🤘🤘🎶🎶🎶
Actually regarding her growls she's entirely self-taught, at least from the interviews I saw. However she did have regular singing lessons when she was a still a kid, not 100% sure how long that went on, but I think it was close to a full year.
She used some well known techniques thou, learning this. 1: Scream in Pillow 2:Scream at Cars. I bet they use them at most Music Schools 🤔
Yes, she has said in interviews that she doesn't really know the "mechanism" that makes her growl work, but she feels some sort of connection from the tip of her chin to her forehead and it comes from "that", whatever that is. Legend. Drives vocal analysts crazy LOL
There's a good reason she has a screaming dragon tattooed on her throat
She has to be using false chords to do it the charasmatic voice interviewed her, she has no idea but with out false chords because she can switch seamlessly and voice is still clean.
"I actually don't hate her screaming here". That's probably the phrase that most of us who didn't like screaming vocals said the first time we heard Tatiana. I know because I'm one of them and I'm not alone, there are countless comments on Jinjer reaction videos of people who say the same thing. I never liked screaming/growling before I heard Jinjer but there's something about the way Tatiana does it, the way that she enunciates the words, that didn't sound unpleasant to my ears.
There's only another band with harsh vocals that I listen to, they're a French Metal band called Gojira, and the lead singer (Joe Duplantier) also has a unique way of singing, it's like he screams in pitch. It would be interesting to see what you think about him, so I'm suggesting you react/analyse The Gift of Guilt live at Brixton Academy. : )
Just saw Gojira live and I second that recommendation. I was never a harsh vocals fan but Children of Bodom cracked the door for me, and Jinjer smacked it wide open.
Couldn't have said it better. She is in a league of her own. Her enunciation is the key to her growls..which she has even said is key to getting her message out. As far as Joe from Gogira goes, he is another in a league of their own!
Couldn't have said it better. She is in a league of her own. Her enunciation is the key to her growls..which she has even said is key to getting her message out. As far as Joe from Gogira goes, he is another in a league of their own!
Couldn't have said it better. She is in a league of her own. Her enunciation is the key to her growls..which she has even said is key to getting her message out. As far as Joe from Gogira goes, he is another in a league of their own!
Couldn't have said it better. She is in a league of her own. Her enunciation is the key to her growls..which she has even said is key to getting her message out. As far as Joe from Gogira goes, he is another in a league of their own!
I never apreciated bands with screamers, but this band changed me, this is my favorite band, all members are masters of their instrument, and I include Tatiana as her voice is her instrument
“Perennial” (Live At Wacken) must be the next. Those who watch it crushes on it.
Perennial live at Wacken is another great one for concert vocal analysis. On The Top and Pit Of Consciousness live in Kiev are both great too. The most vocal techniques and fastest switching between growls and cleans is in Sit Stay Roll Over live in Melbourne. Tatiana doesn't warm up much, at least not in a systematic way. In concert there are sound tests that get her ready but here she's probably pretty cold going into it.
Tatiana loved singing for fun all her life but never had the discipline to do anything with it despite getting a few months of singing lessons as a kid. Then at 15 she heard Otep (I'd suggest Ghostflowers off the Confrontation live DVD if you are curious) and knew this was what she was meant to do. She started singing with every band that would let her pick up a mic and says she got serious about learning growls when she was 18 after building her clean foundation. In 2008 at 21 after performing in 6 different bands she started her own project called Prophecy with cleans and growls. In late 2009 Jinjer founding singer wanted to move on and Roman their current guitarist had just joined Jinjer and knew Tatiana and she says she was basically the only other person in their town that could growl so they recruited her and the rest is history .
I keep on learning something new whenever you comment Jeffrey thanks
@@jimmorris67 I'm happy to share. Not sure which part was new but if it was the part about Prophecy, check out this: ruclips.net/video/KGoaElBN7xg/видео.html
@@j.f.fisher5318 yes that was it and thanks for the link never seen it and it’s amazing how far her and her bandmates have come
@@jimmorris67 :) it really is cool to see. That channel and Vidcerts have a lot of old videos of Tatiana and Jinjer.
@@j.f.fisher5318 thanks
You should check out Perennial live at Wacken to understand how remarkable Tatiana is as a front person.
This is Tati's "example" video.. Wearing the bikini top enables us to see how she uses her posture, her "mask", etc... as she sings. The only drawback is we can't see what she's doing with her diaphragm since the camera shot is too close. Her neck is relaxed, her mouth is wide open as a resonance chamber... and yes, Perennial (Live at Wacken) is a great example of the entire band in a well mixed stage presence.
This band is so versatile they incorporate many genres like raggae,etc into their songs and not just metal but they can be brutal also,always interesting.You would probably like Wallflower OMV kinda mild but their on stage video performances are excellent.Perennial live at Wacken fairly tame to Pit of Consciousness live Kiev much heavier.Subscribed and hope to see more Jinjer.They are a very hard working and humble Ukrainian band that can kick ass.Thanks
And my god, Eugene’s bass playing is incredible
First time jinjer?? You have soo many Songs before you how blow your mind!!!! 🙌 🙌 🙌
Technically it's the second time (I've had a couple of people show me Pisces in the past) but I definitely look forward to hearing more.
🔥Welcome to the Jinjer army! I just found your channel, great reaction and vocal analysis, subbed! Thank you, Casey, for bringing the fantastic genre twisting music of Jinjer to more people! I love their energy, how tight they are, the heaviness mixed with complexity and groove, beautiful singing and growling and especially Tatiana's lyrics!
The first time I heard Pisces last year I hadn't liked any metal with growling and it took me a few listens to start liking it, but now Tatiana is my favorite vocalist and Jinjer my favorite band (Pisces has been my wakeup alarm for the past year).
TLDR: skip to the last paragraph 😂
Sorry for the very long comment, I just love Jinjer too much and love seeing people discover (and usually fall in love with) them and each of their songs!
My three favorite comments about Jinjer that I've seen, "terrifying levels of talent", "I hate it when a Jinjer song ends", and "that was more unexpected than my first child" 🤣
I love the story of Tatiana getting interested in learning to growl. In her own words, "I was inspired by Otep (Shamaya). When I was 15, my friend showed me a record of House of Secrets. I was like, ‘That dude - his voice is so powerful. And he said, ‘Oh come on Tatiana, that’s actually a woman!’ I was like, ‘What?’ She blew my mind. That was the time, the moment when I realized I wanted to shock people just like her. I just had the feeling or the intuition, like an extra sense that this is what I’m made to do.”
The four current members have essentially no musical training except for Vlad the drummer who studied classical piano. They've been a tour heavy band, on the road almost nonstop from 2013 to 2020, hard work that has made them fantastic live and makes it look effortless! For most of their songs, the three guys write most of the instrument music, then Tatiana writes most of the lyrics and melodies (she gets tons of well deserved credit for her vocal and stage performance abilities, but maybe not quite enough for her lyrical and musical composition abilities). Roman the guitarist has written a lot of the instrument music in the past, so he's a huge part of the beautiful sound of Jinjer, but Vlad the drummer (who also plays guitar and piano, but so far not in most Jinjer songs - I think he played piano in lainnereP) has been writing more of it and wrote nine of the eleven songs for the newest album Wallflowers, first three videos are out for Vortex, Mediator and Wallflower. Eugene composes some - he wrote the instrument music for one song on Wallflowers and a few songs on other albums, and I know that apart from his amazing work on the bass, he adds riffs and has written lyrics for a few Jinjer songs.
The band (all members have been Ukrainian, with Russian their first language) started in eastern Ukraine in 2009 as a group of three (then five) with none of the current members (they consider the official start of the band when Tatiana replaced the male vocalist and Roman joined as lead guitar 2009/2010), Vlad is the fifth drummer (joined in 2016) and it's been a group of four since 2015 (though they consider their road sound engineer Sasha to be a fifth member). I think they're still friends with all the former members.
One of the things I love most about Jinjer is the messages in Tatiana's lyrics and the way she combines growling and beautiful singing with Jinjer's fantastic instrumentals to be so powerful for expressing the anger and pain in those messages: the anti-war message in Home Back, the anti-greed in On The Top, Mediator and No Hoard Of Value (also the horror of the coal mining industry in their home Ukraine), the protest song Who Is Gonna Be The One, the anti-fascism of Sit Stay Roll Over, the anger at people being narrow minded in Teacher Teacher and Judgment & Punishment, the struggles with mental health in Pit Of Consciousness, Vortex, Wallflower and Perennial, the giving voice to mother nature angry at humanity for letting capitalism destroy her in a bunch of songs like Ape, The Prophecy, Cloud Factory, Noah, Outlander, Dip A Sail and Bad Water. Other favorites are I Speak Astronomy, Retrospection, Words of Wisdom, Just Another, Captain Clock, Scissors, Exposed As A Liar, I Want It I'll Get It, A Plus Or A Minus, When Two Empires Collide, lainnereP, Prologue and Beggar's Dance (those last two are short album bookends that might do well together in one reaction).
I haven't found a Jinjer song I don't love, so I think you can't go wrong if you choose any of them, but a few good choices might be Perennial (official and/or live at Wacken, both are must-see), Teacher Teacher (official and/or live in Melbourne), Pit of Consciousness (official and/or live in Kiev/Kyiv, another where both are absolutely must-see) or the heartwrenching plea against war in Home Back (official video). Note that because Jinjer has so many great official videos and so many astounding live performance videos, no Jinjer fan will ever mind if you react to a second video for a Jinjer song you've already heard, so whichever songs you choose, whatever pace you like: hope you'll keep trying more Jinjer and enjoy! ❤🖤🤘
Nice! Next: Jinjer- Wallflower
If you watch Jinjers much older videos you can definitely tell the difference in her singing and screaming. She's come a long way and it has developed immensely. Cor example, their first music video ever "Exposed as a liar" her voice is sooo different and less developed.
She's been doing it for over a decade. It's actually evolved to since 2009, which is when she hooked up with Jinjer.
Jinjer is a band of many pleasant surprises! Great reaction!
Now you know you can't just stop with 3 songs wallflower is a must.
I'm already so excited for more and i just got here! lol
Love that you're open minded and actually listening to the music. I will definitely be sticking around for more. Thank you!!!
One thing she does with her scream is enunciate clearly. Few do that so well.
You might enjoy Paulina Villareal of The Warning covering Radiohead's "Creep", or the whole band doing "Evolve" or "Martirio" or their collaboration with Alessia Cara doing "Enter Sandman" from the Blacklist album.
Jinjer is never enough!!
Now check them out live
Jinjer - Retrospection (Live in Melbourne)
I was at this concert and it blew me away 🔥
Here's how Tatiana's screaming grows on you, even if you're new to it... you will be driving to the store or maybe you'll have some time between students and you will say to yourself, "I need to hear me some Tati"!!
🤘🤘❤🤘🤘 Fantastic!!!! Hello from Northern California!!!!! 🤗❤✌🏼
Yeah,, her guttural growl screams are pushing through the false folds/chords? If that helps any!!! 😉
I believe she joined band in 2010.
I do think you are correct
2009 but close enough.. (check out her Tea Time interview with The Charismatic Voice channel..) but she's the only "original" member of Jinjer left... all the other members have rotated out..
I applaud you. Most people watch several Jinjer songs before they get to this one
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I love Jinjer and this is great song. Tatiana is a beauty and a beast.
The band is very skilled. One song that is amazing is Teacher Teacher. It is so well written.
I always suggest to people to bring up the lyrics on your phone before watching Jinjer that why you know exactly what's being sang during the grawl sections.
Song starts
“Oh that is heavy”
*Laughs in Cattle Decapitator*
You should listen to vintersea another metal band with a female! Her growls and cleans are both awesome 🔥
I get what you say about her screams/growls. I always have been put off by them from other bands but I can listen to any Jinjer song and like them. I can also understand most of the lyrics when she does it.
She is just a beautiful woman
roller coaster
Jinjer is on top of the stairs to heaven..or ...hell. As I'm Dutch recommand you another Dutch amazing 'fairy tale' gothic metal female singer band called Blackbriar, not as 'screamy' heavy as Jinjer, but meshmerising. One of their stunning songs is Deadly Diminuendo: @
Tatiana is a premier Screamer/Gutteral vocalist. Not even considering her singing chops, she is amongst the best and in my opinion and in many others opinions one of the very best. And ... And... Not just of the females. Male and female she is amongst the best. For me she is top five if not the Best. And then there is her singing voice. Pretty nice too. Many say she has a Gwen Stefani style of vibrato. And she does at times, but she also has Beyonce vibrato. Honestly she's better than Gwen and about equal to Beyonce. She's no Whitney Houston but she could be if that was her only discipline.
subscribed for the inevitable nightwish reaction later on ;)
and yes jinjer needs to grow on one a little bit, but the music is as addictive as any other on that skill level
Nightwish has been one of my favourite bands for around a decade now, so I’ve already seen most of their stuff. I’m happy to do some analysing if that’s something people are interested in, but at this point we’ll have to wait until they release something new for any reactions.
If you want a male singer who effortlessly mixes cleans and harsh vocals you should check out Mikael Akerfeldt from Opeth. Maybe their song Ghost of Perdition (live at Red Rocks).
pisces live in studio performance is another good one by jinjer
Check out illuminated by Vintersea it's a beautiful melodic song!
In an interview, Tatiana said she started experimenting with screaming/growling after she heard a song when she was 11. She is now 35, that would be 24 years of experience.
Other good metal singers that made One Take Vocal Performances are Courtney Laplante, from SpiritBox and Will Ramos, from Lorna Shore... They are amazing too, i'd love to see your reactions to them! Keep it up and stay metal 🤘🏻🤘🏻 Cheers from Brazil!🇧🇷
Phil Anselmo (c3mentery Gates special) is a beast
At some point you'll have to react to Nightwish "Ghost Love Score" from Wacken 2013.
I'm actually a massive Nightwish fan (I was introduced to them in 2010 and haven't stopped listening to them since). Like many other NW fans I've seen this one many, many times, so I'm not sure there'd be much point in reacting to it, but I can definitely do a more in depth analysis if that's something people would be interested in.
@@caseyreacts3133 in that case I guess I'm just left to suggesting the usual Aurora, Eivør, Angelina Jordan, Home Free, Voiceplay, Voces8 and Kalandra and Diana Ankudinova. Not much danger of picking the "wrong" version/song with those
Diana Anudinova Can't help falling love it will part your hair.
Hi can you plzzzz react to Vintersea? progressive melodic death black metal band! I suggest illuminated
Perennial live at Wacken for a great look at her on a live stage show. And actually the other 3 in the band are as good at what they do as she is at what she does.
Tati uses false fold screams. It's not easy to learn how to use them properly for this, usually only "screamers" and beatboxers learn to control them well. That's a large part of why her screaming doesn't sound so harsh to you, because she isn't using vocal fry (or very little in select places) to get that sound out. It's also mainly how she's able to flip back and forth from screaming to singing so quickly, because the false folds don't really effect your main vocal cords when you engage them. Hope that helps you learn more about growling, it honestly is a very advanced vocal technique.
I did wonder if that was the case - I know the basic difference between false and fry screams but I haven't really listened to a lot of screaming (as I said, it's not usually my preference) so I haven't spent a lot of time listening to the differences. Thank you for clearing this up for me!
JinJer Perennial live in Wacken sounds like vauken.
React to "Arijith Sigh mtv live performance", you will be in love with his voice and technique.
Jinjer is a non genre band they use Jazz, Rap, Reggae and metal combined which makes them unique
Gotta listen to shadow Self by face yourself. And Chernobyl 22 by velja.
She says this is very heavy until she listens to something like Lora Shore - (To The Hell Fire) live one take is the best version I think. Will Romos is also self-taught. It is very entertaining to watch vocal coaches react to him. 😁 I have now subscribed waiting for that moment lol.
I think she's not ready to go to the hellfire :D
@@alessandromalvasi7768 that's precisely why I want to see it. People that are not ready for it. Give the best reactions 😉😂
@@WhiteRaven640 you sadistic madmen.
(ok, lets do this)
@@alessandromalvasi7768 everybody has a little fetish lol 😏🤣
when they made good music
Actually she likes Reggae, and also Gwen Stefanie is one of her favs. 😁 Then of course her other influences are Lamb of God and others.
React to pit of consciousness live from Kiev. It's freaking amazing, and she goes about 4 or 5 times deeper that she goes here.
Try the song Crack of Light by Vintersea
i know,you LOVE screams so much ...i found two songs without A SINGLE scream^^...bad water and beggar´s Dance😊
You should react to SpititBox Circle with me one take vocal performance.
Is Jinjer going to be heavy or melodic? Yes.
She actually used to sing reggae before she joined Jinjer :)
Her progressively getting 'better' (your words, not mine) during the song may be due the fact mentioned at least by one other commenter ... she says she doesn't warm up.
If that's the case, this also means that this is likely the first take of the one take ;-)
You really MUST watch the official video to this!
ruclips.net/video/zt3hEznbuuM/видео.html
JINJER - Who Is Gonna Be The One (Live) | Napalm Records IS my favorite! ruclips.net/video/U6rv5qi8-8s/видео.html
lorna shore; Hellfire one take plz
Actually I don't normally like screams either - before I discovered Jinjer, i had thought that screams, without fail, ruined otherwise good metal. But to my surprise, Tatjana proved me wrong. I still don't like most screaming, but Tatjana is just exceptionally good at it; she sounds better doing it that other screamers. And she has surprisingly good diction while screaming; with most singers screaming, I can never make out any lyrics. Not so with Tatjana - I can pick up many of the words, even before looking up the lyrics.
Hi Casey...nice react! For a boost, try young up and coming Norwegian superstar to be Angelina Jordan. Angelina won Norway's got talent in 2014 at 7yrs and has produce amazing quality covers since. At 13 she participated in Americas got talent, the champions an received a golden buzzer from Heidi Klumm for a stunning self arranged version of Bohemian Rhapsody. This would be a good starting point. Keep up the good work! Subscribed.
Check out Queensryche - "Take Hold of the Flame" live in Tokyo. Amazing vocals from Geoff Tate.
It’s not “almost reggae”, it is reggae. She doesn’t like how people who like metal are so dismissive of other genres of music, so she threw some reggae in to mess with them.
After a few more listens I definitely agree - all the elements of reggae are there. (The downside to reaction videos is that you get 100% of our initial reaction and none of what we learn after a few more listens).
Either way, I love a good genre mashup so the reggae section in this is possibly one of my favourite elements.They did a damn good job of making it work in a metal song.
Also English is not Tatiana's first language either.
она когда нибудь ошибётся в тексте и призовёт Ктуху. она маленькая, метра полтора росточку всего. и от этого на сцене она ещё монструознее выглядит.
The original video is actually better to this song it gives the words more value
I'm dissapointed you didn't say "It's a kitty". Don't ask me why, I guess I just like when people with accents say kitty. :)
If you want to hear one of her biggest influences 🤷🏻♂️👌 You need to listen the band Spirit Box... Reaction to the song "Holy Roller ONE TAKE" Will have you more stunned than even this in my opinion.... The vocalist for Spirit Box as well sings extremely well 👌 Again I emphasize this who THIS singer beholds as the "Vocal Omega" 👌
only self trained, which shows you the bias in traditional teaching for vocals. we need to let people reach their own personal limits, without trying to force them into "traditional" vocals. its sad really that we do this to singers.
No training or warm-ups.
Her enunciation while screaming may be the cause of it's palatableness for you.