DIY Safe Hydrogen Storage
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I really shouldn't watch these videos just before going to bed, now my brain is popping and fizzing with ideas!
It helps me to understand many things I have been puzzling over for years. Love it
I get that alot mate hahahahaha killer init pal
Same lol. I watch them for a project I’ve in mind, but every video that I watch gives me more ideas and questions 😂
Same goes with me 😅
Yes, this man has ruined my sleep more then I can count.
Ive seen most of the DYI engineering shows on youtube. But this guy is all you need!
YES! 👍
I agree that your the teacher of the century to me. I am 52 and enthralled in everything you dabble in. Great job
Thanks for the kind words mate - cheers
109%👍
The carbon from burnt corn cobs were once being observed for storing natural gas/hydrogen. Compressed in to pucks and stacked in the pressurized vessel the volume was increased by around 40%.
Your videos are getting progressively more professional! The sound, lighting, presentation, all FIVE STARS! Thanks!
cheers mate - glad you like them
@@ThinkingandTinkering can you just leave the liquid to dry rather than heating it? then could you heat or power your house using a generator burning this material?
Could you do a video about compressing the hydrogen into a storage container and using the hydrogen in
an application such as a fuel cell or for heating or even cooking!
This is amazing!
Get a oxygen tank on offerup. than get an oilless pump from amazon. than get visqueen plastic and make a balloon. fill the balloon kup with the gas than pump the gas into the oxygen tank. Just like you would if you were filling up a divers tank. the balloon gets up to 5x5x5 feet and fills the tank. with the tank depending the size of it I can get up to 15 to 20 minutes of continuous gas flow. obviously you do the calculation on the formula flow. let me know what you think of the idea.
@@seavil1 wouldn't you have to worry about the heat of the compressor? I've been thinking about this
@@seavil1 what kind of a pressure will this get you to? Is there an efficient way to bump this up, perhaps with a boost compressor or something, to a higher pressure for use in something like a fuel-cell car?
I just found out you can use an oxygen concentrator to fill oxygen tanks and you can use the tanks for what any application but use Professional Flashback Arrestor so you don't blow the tank up.
This has definitely piqued my interest! Didn't really know there were options to hydrogen storage beyond tanks. Thanks for being generous with your time and knowledge!
Wow, this material is incredible. Thanks for showing it to us in such an easy to digest manner!
Man I'm happy I found a great guy like you... you are absolutely amazing! Keep up those videos and stay happy!
id think he would of seen you maybe part of the 'alcoholica' group, and give you particu- lars-ity a 'cheers'- does Mustaine watch these reports?
Amazingly well done, Robert. That is spectacularly useful for several reasons.
Glad you liked it mate - cheers
Hi Robert! I'm not an expert in any of this, but the only research paper I could find regarding using g-C3N4 as a storage medium for Hydrogen suggested that the "hydrogen storage capacity of g-C3N4 nanotube bundles is at least 5.45 wt. % H2." However, here you're giving a number of 10 wt. % H2. Can you provide the DOI for the article you were referencing, or explain the discrepancy?
I really like your style of introducing these related topics to us. It really is a catalyst for a lot of armchair wonder! 👍🏻
Glad you like them!
Yes. This channel is as equally as awesome as styropyro. As always well done, and thanks for being the nest thing on the internet.
Robert, you are a hero of mine! I love your channel!
I would love to see another video where you take this material and store hydrogen from your pee electrolysissystem and then make use of the energy afterwards!
I live off grid with solar panels and batteries and I would love to be able to store some summer energy for the darker winter months but hydrogen storage is a stumbling block for me
i share the same feelings
Grow potatoes, distill to ethanol, run a Jenny with mix fuel carb. This way you can run it off biogas as well. Sugar is nature's number 1, solar battery, and completely green
Very well put. Evidenced by our evolution to ethanol. Carbon blinded is what we have become
@@psylentrage Yes, but my conscience cries out burning away food. That‘s why I like the GCN doped with catalysts (there are some free of rare metals) and fed by concentrated sun light (DIY concentrating heliostats) or electrolysis.
First to produce H2 for some days.
But also - all outsides - produce NH3 for winter, as 11MWh fit into 2.7m³ standard liquid gas tank (coated against corrosion). As it is self-warning, no bad accidents can happen.
Unless you fall unconscious from a blow on your head and lie in a sea of it.
Just use corrosion-protected pipes and vents and a scnr cat.
But for Biomass:
Because for heating by biomass, all you have to do is use the cut bushes material, chopping it with fresh sharp blades, so short even-sized pieces can be yielded, and DIY build a convection-storing-drying silo, with sieve by blowing air to throw out the lighter leaf and straw-like parts, and insides disinfect with CIO2 gas in between to prevent mold, and build a Y first to solar-heated drying and in winter, to shove a spoonful at a time in the burner. Found an inverse flame lambda-sensor led burner at patents of sunmachine sterling pellet stove. Replace pellets in the patent that are rising with oil price by DIY chopped garden waste, done.
Let us do some open hardware/software platform where editors 2d 3d simulation, …, reside, and where we exchange and collaborate (realtime online) to improve drafts.
@@andshofs5769 food is energy and energy is food. It just depends on the need.
You're method also can't be taught and implemented in rural communities from supplies at the local hardware store, whereas we've been distilling for millennia and if your not going to be drinking the fuel, you don't have to be that precise nor need a copper stil. This fuel is renewable.
Gas is not the only product from the digester, you also get a super nutritious fertilizer slurry. And you don't need to feed it with your food. Any biomass will do, obviously the higher the calory content, the better.
We've determined a great cheap material to store hydrogen and it's everywhere!! Yes, water is the best cheap hydrogen storage solution. We placed hydrogen gas in a small glass bottle and placed it inside a large glass coffee jar filled to the brim with water. We capped it off and then placed the jar submerged in a bucket of water and left it there for approx 9 months. After this time, we found there was no loss of the hydrogen gas in the small glass bottle. In our view the reason why water stores hydrogen really well is because not only is there no hydrogen contained in water but also because hydrogen is immiscible in water.
I call that BS. Hydrogen can easily travel through water.
I'm loving these short info videos Robert. Thanks mate.
glad you like them mate - cheers
I love the porcelain sugar caddy for this what a great find!
certainly was mate - cheers
Interesting. This could be a game changer for the fuel cell industry
what an inspirational video! you've solved two major problems i had in mind for two projects. thank you sir^^
Yet another stunning video... Thanks Rob!
So, I see the question nobody has asked yet is: How much does it weigh? I'm trying to determine what the useful energy storage capacity would be for a given volume and weight of Carbon Nitride. (for use in an UAV :) )
Thank you Robert you are a real gift to humanity, keep up the wonderful sharing.
Cheers mate - thanks for the kind words
Thanks for the tips! Always need some motivation to build household infrastructure.
Great video! I have been trying to figure out how to make deuterium, but this blows that idea right out! Thank you once again for a wonderful contribution.
glad you liked it mate - cheers
Fascinating! Thank you for sharing!!
Congratularions Robert ! Could you share some links for papers or books to learn more about H2 storage using this material ?
Incredible, can’t wait for the next video Rob!
cheers mate - glad you liked it
I've been watching your videos for a while and always find them fascinating. I just wanted to say, thank you for all the effort and sharing what you do. Your attitude is fantastically positive and your content always cheers me up.
This is just great information, thanks for sharing this! I'm curious what research papers you read to garner this info? I'd like to give them a read, so I can better understand the principles upon which this material is based upon.
Hmmm...
carbonized deep-eutectic-solvent.
Interesting.
I cease to be amazed at how casual you are, with such valuable understanding of knowledge. You're an invaluable inspiration Rob. God bless you. One of my few favourite guys on the planet. 👍🏽
God bless you too mate - the support is well appreciated - cheers
@@ThinkingandTinkering
The function of this material (in this case) reminds me of something i asked you to look into a while ago (when you find time). A "relatively" easy way to make a MOF (Metal Organic Framework).
They exhibit characteristics like this material.
i’ve been wondering i would store it safely but i appreciate you mitigating me having to find it
cheers mate
Fascinating, Thank You !
glad you liked it mate - cheers
10% by weight? man, that's a lot of very light hydrogen!
Also, loved the porcelain sugar containers in the kiln, thanks for those tips.
So this could used as a passthrough hydrogen filter for an hho set up. Cool!
you know mate - i think it could - it's certainly worth a try - cheers
Would doing that seperate the hydrogen from the oxygen?
here we go again I love how when i need something around tinkering you always pop up :D Love your videos
Excellent, love the variety of interesting ideas. I saw a video on using an old fridge pump to store hydrogen in a propane tank. It was on the channel, The DIY Science Guy , Reminded me of your “recycling of old things“. Would be amazing to see you create a machine like that. keep them coming, your work is awesome.
it wouldn't last that long or even store that much and It certainly wouldn't be that safe mate
I thought the same originally, check out the vid if you get chance. He claims to collect 550l of gas at 12bar in about 8 hours. I would think as long as you don’t store oxygen in the same tank it should be similar to acetylene. I was interested in making one of these so I would like to hear you opinion on his setup :) ruclips.net/video/REV739pRNcw/видео.html
@@ThinkingandTinkering To be sure hydrogen embrittlement of containers and fittings not designed for it is dangerous. However, it is possible to store 70% more Methane in a tank with propane in it than an empty one at a given pressure due to solubility of Methane in light hydrocarbons. Trying to get my head around whether this would be synergetic or confounding with the carbon nitride. Well, this comment makes no sense because I mis recalled the methane research as hydrogen and then edited out the misinformation. No idea as to solubility of H2 in hydrocarbons.
This is indeed exciting and a great idea.
cheers mate
Blimey, how did I miss this? A 10k brick of this stuff would power my home for 2 days straight quite comfortably.
WOW, AMAZING, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Many thanks Robert ! This is Fantastic information as I'm building a hydrogen fuel cell. Just absolutely great videos on your channel.
awesome mate
Question for you, are you using hydrogen as a gas, liquid or solid?
I'm currently working on a hydrogen pellet like dry ice. Many safety concerns have to be addressed.
@@archur111 I just flew to Jupiter where Hydrogen is a fluid metal at its core and used some hydrogen metal (great stuff that hydrogen metal.
@@3dmaker699 are you saying that you can't transition hydrogen to a solid?
@@archur111 Not magic mate!
Beautiful!!! Thank you!
cheers mate - glad you liked it
Good stuff old mate. Love your work. I watch all your videos.
What an amazing 8:25 force vectors of our life........truly amazing information, thank you my friend.
glad you liked it mate - cheers
You just made me want to start up an old project again after years. Man how do you come up with that? Definitely going to try it. Thanks.
Why did you stop?
I. A huge fun of up cycling things. I love your videos, new biggest fan!!!
Absolutely awesome!!!!
I missed this one! Ty
WOW on begin music starts like in The Prodigy - Outta space ;) I LOVE IT!!!
Excellent easily explained easy to follow for those beginning to learn
that's certainly the idea here mate
Great info Robert, thank you for sharing. Now, can I put what you got from your beaker, for example in a tank & compress hydrogen to it to store it? Or how do I go about this in a practical way? My dumb way of thinking is: I surely don't want any air trapped in the tank if the tank is to store hydrogen, cause then, it'll turn into a hydrogen bomb. So, how do I apply hydrogen to this & keep it in place? Thanks again, your dedicated work.
Impressed by your videos!🙏🏼🤞
Another great video, thanks for sharing
Great! Could use Lithium-6 Deuteride. LOL, good luck getting that! Keep up the good work!
this is the first video i see of you and you have my subscribe :)
Hi Rob, really a great idea. Just a short time ago I read an article about the Gov. supported idea to store hydrogen in a carbozole called chemical with the revolutionary storing capacity of only 6% per weight of hydrogen. You are ahead
cheers mate - glad you like it
I have 45 liter LO2 dewores ( stanless vacuum bottles)and need to know the finished weight so I can figure H2 stored , great work
I had to subscribe immediately. Great video - very interesting! Keep on!
Another excellent demonstration.😊👍
Robert can you use that the store hydrogen as in the hydrogen from a hho generator or you meaning something completely different.
My apologies if it's a stupid question.
Peace
Okay 2 questions:
1. Could this be used as a molecular sieve, say for a stacked neutral plate dry cell hho generator and you wanted to separate the gases? Or is there another material that would be more suited for that?
I know you can do it with regular electrolysis setup but I'm wanting to use high amps and I dont have super thick gauge stainless or loads of graphite currently at my disposal.
2. Do you have any experience with making ferric nitride( Fe16N2)? Super promising material but I I havnt found alot of information on synthesizing it.
Wuowww it is very interesting!... thank you so much Robert!
cheers mate - glad you liked it
Hi Sir Robert Thank You for sharing this very informative video
Hydride storage is the best and the hydrogen won't burn or explode in the tank under all conditions and is not pressurized, a little heating rod creates the release and flow to an 8-cyl engine.
I saw something like this a long, long time ago. They used some kind of storage that needed heated to give off the hydrogen,. They tested the new tank against a gasoline/petrol tank and determined that if gasoline wasn't already a common fuel, it would never be approved today.
no it wouldn't lol and no one would think lead acid batteries were a good idea either - you'd get.a ton of people arguing about it and experts telling you it couldn't possibly work lol
this is fascinating stuff Robert are you going to take this to the next level and attempt to store some hydrogen in this media?
Thanks Rob, I wasn't aware this was an option to store hydrogen. Are you going to show us how to make element 115 using packing peanuts and shaving cream next? They could throw you in the woods with only an ax and you'd email for help a month later.
lol - the world is a fascinating place for sure
Now to get the hydrogen in there...! Great share though love it!!!
This is awesome, how do I sleep now... Thanks Sir
it keeps me up too mate - glad you liked it - cheers
Hhaahha on actually had a tough time sleeping last night!!
I will have a go at doing it in a microwave kiln :-)
Using it as active material in super caps or batteries would be cool.
so, the polymerisation reaction of urea to carbon nitride occurs between 520 and 550 degrees C. above 650 thermal decomposition occurs. that's a very tight temperature range for a microwave setup to control without computer assist. i might wire a stop start into an arduino with an ir temp sensor into the reactor body. if you do that i don't think you'll have a problem.
@@kennethanderson7642 Yes, I think I am only putting off the inevitable too.
My microwave is only 700W, and can be set for 20% power at the lower setting, so worth a fiddle, making 15g batches rather than 150g
solarhope if its a transformer type they use duty cycle but inverter types can actually be on at 20% and higher with 100% duty but still its hard to keep that between the small window so i think a kiln is the way to go for even tempretures !
@@kennethanderson7642
i miss kev.
Now this is the content i really like . 👍🏻
awesome lol
This is brilliant! More people should know this. Why not sell this? With the money we could found a startup, that is building a ready to use system of hydrogen generation, storage, and energy release.
First of all: I love your channel! But I have a few questions. What will happen, if I lead browns gas through this storage material? Will it filter out the hydrogen, store it and let the oxygen pass through? And: How to pack this storage-material in a tube for instance and let the hydrogene pass through? Has this stuff to be grinded down to micro or nano size or is it ok as it is?
Can you post the links to the research papers you refer to? Just found your channel and subscribed, awesome material.
Robert, you're one of the few select people I would snatch up and save. Horde the "thinkers" like precious seeds....That is prior to flooding the World out :)
well - cheers mate - I think lol
It's an amazing method for storing Hydrogen! My congratulation for this. Till now they told us need deep cooling Hydrogen for transport etc. which is very expensive for the anorm tecnical equipment - but with this ... GREAT!
I think this would be too heavy, but if cheaper than cooling, a plus :)
there are always different solutions mate - it just depends on what you need
In quite a few of your videos now, I have noted the white triangular shapes on your windows. From what I see, you seem to be the kind of person that everything has a purpose. Can you link to a video describing these items, as I'm very curious about them.
As always, please continue to share the amazing knowledge you already do.
Looking through a lot of your videos on diy solar, batteries, heaters, and water filters with a view toward using them in my crusty old camper. :-)
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good job..👌👍 and make me cant stop thinking about it..
we look forward to next vidio ( steps ) for this important topic,,
Excellent! I guess you are one step closer to energy generation and its storage, which is your end game all along.
yep lol
Another get idea sir you are a true gentleman
cheers mate
Hi Robert, I tried to follow your recipe and made graphitic carbon nitride. However, the material never managed to absorb any hydrogen. I supplied 30 bar hydrogen gas at 25 C. Is there any activation process for this material? Did you do a video on graphitic carbon nitride storing hydrogen that shows the amount of hydrogen being stored or being released by this material?
in this video, robert states carbon doped graphitic nitride grabs the hydrogen at 1 atmosphere. i didn’t see anyone else confirming that. did the weight change ? apparently it grabs h2o vapour as well.
I read that using bird feathers as the substrate to heat in a kiln creates a source for hydrogen storage.
yes it can mate
Cool. Thanks again! I think you can make this with "pressure reactor" (tightly closed metal pipe) and regular oven too. "The Thought Emporium" has video about it (How to make quantum dots at home). Or in closed can above regular fire. "cayrex2" has video of that called "Material for Battery and Supercapacitors (graphitic carbon nitride)".
They are making self- contained whole home units in Europe. The unit generates electricity and acts as heat pump
Link to the product?
Yes ! Another great video 👍
Cheers mate - glad you liked it
Very nice video. Can this material be re-used after burning off the hydrogen?
Thank you Thank you Thank you!
Any time mate
I am viewing some of your hydrogen videos. Graphitic Carbon Nitride - Hydrogen From The Sun says that if you bake urea in a potters kiln it burns off the hydrogen leaving Graphitic Carbon Nitride.
In your electrolysis from urea is the waste at the bottom Graphitic Carbon Nitride - Hydrogen From The Sun?
Always amazing videos on timely subjects. Thank you.
Thank you sir.
glad you liked it mate - cheers
Hi Rob, I sent you an email a while back on your old gmail account, not sure you still use it, but I had proposed an interesting experiment where this stuff could actually be used. Anyway, thanks so much for these videos, it tickles the mind and stimulates my curiosity! Keep it up Mate!
Great video!
Ammonium nitrate syrups, is good stuff.
They used it to blow stumps.
Nice vid my friend👍👍👍 , we storage hydrogen in ceramic plated tank , an emailed water boiler , its depending on the pressure level of the tank . 50 bar can hold the most boilers . The cost and use ratio is the cheapest way .
Thanks for the info
Hello I'm very new at what you seem to know well. So I would like to ask you a question on a power system I'm trying to develop. I live in Texas and I'm going to put up solar panel on my roof with the intentions of either using PEM cells or maybe radio frequency to split water. But instead of trying to store hydrogen I'm going to use a Satatier reactor to turn the hydrogen into natural gas. I will capture the co2 from a 10kw tri fuel generator I bought to use the Co2 and hydrogen into a reactor. I have converted all my appliances into using natural gas. I only have calculations that say a system like this will work to provide electric power, heat, and fuel my car. Can you please tell me due to your practical knowledge and experience, will this system I'm building work? Thank you, Brian...love your videos..thanks
Great video! Very interesting. 10% by weight hydrogen storage capacity is very high indeed. Please continue this subject with the absorption and desorption of hydrogen. 300 degree C is too high for PEM fuel cell applications though. 👍👍
A heater mustn't necessarily been driven by pure exhaust gas. You keep a bit compressed gas for starting up and simply burn it. If you isolate the storage tank well, perhaps vacuum insulation, you just need to invest the heat capacity it has (c=1J/gK for metal) and the "evaporating" energy when H2 dissociates from the storage.
Has anyone found links to cool papers that deal with the precise amount of energy you need to drive out the H2 per L gas in normal conditions 1bar 20°C etc.?
Robert, I watched a story on Nova quite a while ago where a fella took chicken feathers and I believe cooked them to a specific temp. He used it to make storage space for hydrogen. I think it had to do with how porous the chicken feathers were. Something to look into maybe. I wish I could find that episode. It was a good one.
Very cool! I'm going to make it. Question? 10% by weight or volume of hydrogen as we know how light hydrogen is? Hydrogen is usually measured in liters liquid which is volume?
So one liter volume of the finished material will store .1 liters of hydrogen? Thank you in advance!
Amazing! this opens up so many possibilities! Question: How could one measure the "stored" hydrogen concentration level?
It will get heavier
Wouldnt it get lighter sense hydrogen is lighter than air
This really is amazing. I previously watched a video following a US start-up company called Plasma Kinetics, where hydrogen was absorbed by a layer of "something" stuck onto a plastic film. I didn't believe any such substance exists. Yet the video included Sandy Munro, who could hardly be called "gullible". Plasma Kinetics was very coy about its chemistry. But I think the words "metal hydride" were mentioned and "a lot" of hydrogen could be absorbed in this way. I was very sceptical. Hydrogen is normally such a bugger to store. Surely, the absorbtion of 10% by weight of hydrogen into this goo violates some law of thermodynamics. But Mr Murray-Smith's video lends some credibility to PK's technology. PK was putting it forward as an alternative to batteries. I am now less sceptical.
I was just having this thought myself, especially after he mentioned that sunlight can cause g-CN to release hydrogen. That's very similar to the PK idea of using a laser to selectively desorb hydrogen from the film. I've also heard tidbits here and there about PK using some type of graphite or metal hydride to make their special sauce, as well as something about doping with magnesium. I wonder if you make this g-CN with some magnesium and maybe sodium or lithium & aluminum you might get some sort of reversible LiAlH4 functionality being catalyzed by the g-CN.
How do you mean breaking laws of thermodynamics?
@@berrymanmichael
I remain very skeptical that this can be done in useful quantities.
Since then the videos promoting the technology have been "Busted".
I commend them to you.
Just wondering if you tried it out, for example filling a small fire extinguisher with the material, running H2 through it to saturation, connecting it to the genset used in your woodgasifier, heating it and seeing how long it would run. What mass of storage medium did you get from the start materials, I'm assuming there was some loss just wondering how much. Just a thought, could it be used as 1 of the gasifier filters, suck up the H2 produced from it to be stored for later or would the other gases such as CO in that gas stream inactivate the storage medium? Interesting thoughts.
Great video
I'm very curious if this practically works. Maybe you will do a video testing the absorbtion and the release oh hydrogen ?
or you could mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering Ouch.
Rofl
Any thoughts on getting the hydrogen to be released from this carbon doped Graphitic Carbon Nitride at room temperature to provide cooling like a Zirconium-Titanium-Chromium-Iron metal hydride?