Let's talk about ENCANTO Headcanons - Art Commentary
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Hope no one hates me after this lmao
Just to clarify: I apologise about my comment concerning Dolores, in hindsight this was indeed hypocritical when taking into account what I said about Bruno. I wasn't aware of the cultural context of the noise she makes and only connected it to her gift because of that - heightened sensitivity is a very common trait of autism. Thank you to everyone who pointed this out ^^
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00:00 - Intro
01:12 - Art Commentary PSA
02:46 - Story Synopsis
05:03 - Themes & Messages
11:00 - LGBT Headcanons
11:41 - Camilo
13:09 - Isabela
15:01 - Bruno
16:30 - Luisa
17:24 - Mirabel
19:57 - Why does this matter?
21:13 - Words from Leaf
23:57 - Closing Thoughts
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Just wanted to point out that the people that killed Alma's husband are definitely not rioters. They are shown in a way that represents more closely guerillas or paramilitaries. Just wanted to say this since in Colombia we already have the problem of shifting all the violence on riots when it tends to be a deeply rooted violence issue. Other than that great video I'm so happy you talked about this
Thank you for clarifying, I wasn't too sure as I saw multiple different terms being used so that is much appreciated ^^
Oh don't worry I'm super glad you even talked about the 1000 days war since it was quite the historical event! I'm so so glad you did all of this!
Oh that's something I was going to bring up, yeah in Colombia, we still have a lot of issues to this day with the Guerilla. It's the reason my mom and I fled to the US when I was little, actually! The Guerilla is definitely something pretty scary,.
I thought they were Spanish soldiers or American soldiers in the time when they wanted to colonize Columbia- idk if I got my history wrong though , I probably did lol.
@@thatoneduckle4583 well you ain't 100% wrong, that's just different time periods, the Spaniards trying to reconquer was around the XIX Century and the US never really tried anything with those methods here
A woman can just not want to marry a man without being a lesbian . And a woman can be buff without being trans.
Thank you for coming to my ted talk
@@isleling5191 oh also its a cartoon.
@@isleling5191 she doesn’t have a body type of a man real woman can look like that. Disney wanted her design to not have muscles but the movie creators fought for her design to have muscles. What you said is very disrespectfully to woman who have muscler body types. But that’s just me
Ps. representation is important someone with her body type would be glad to finally have a female character that is muscular taking that away would be shitty.
That was THE best Ted talk of the decade
Seriously tho
If you said that on Twitter a bunch of people would go and cry about it
Twitter be like: wHy ArE yOu bEiNg HoMopHoBic
THIS THANK YOU
saying a buff women is trans becuse she is buff is kinda sexist
Isabella: Doesn't want to get married.
The fandom: *ShE mUst Be lEsBIAn*
Can a bitch have the right to be single because of choice? damn people.
THIS OMGGG
@The Professor oh that make sense, you know, because women are WEAK and men are STRONK and a woman can't like being strong, if that's the situation that THAT MUST BE A MAN IN DISGUISE.
Sure thing buddy, now let's go find the chromosome you've missed.
SHOUT IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK WHO STILL REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS
Also Camilo!! Apparently because he’s a shape shifter he has no idea of the concept boy or girl is now! Yay1!1!1!1
@@remiremsar5946 he’s talking about the headcannos he hims finds that offensive you should try re reading it.
"Not everything has to be gay"
I can feel a disturbance in the force, like millions of people on twitter being offended at once
I think you meant webtoon...
LMAO! You know they will, It also showcases how obsessed they are with that stuff to the point of mass annoyance and irrationally obsession. It’s like being gay or lgbt is everything to them and they can’t be anything else, is sexuality supposed to be a personality that they project onto everything out of insecurity? Lol it’s pretty scary how obsessed they are that they want to make EVERY media thing ever to be able gay or lgbt off the bat and if you call them out on it, your automatically homophobic or transphobic. like, lol what? How does that make any sense? You can’t reason with those people as they closed themselves off to a echo chamber.
and tiktok
LMAO
@@Gadget-Walkmen are you LGBTQ?
as a trans person, i feel like headcanoning Luísa as trans erases everything trans women do, how they've died and many more things. it feels like they are saying, "oh yeah! trans women? they look like men but are women. so because Luísa is buff She is now a trans woman!" and it makes me absolutely FURIOUS.
yes!!!
THIS!!! THIS IS IT. It's "woke" under a layer of actual homophobia in my opinion
@@sea2656 EXACTLY.
What’s wrong with a trans woman being buff tho?
@@r.i.pmydog7723 nothing- there isnt anything wrong with a trans woman being buff.. but some people use the fact that luisa is buff to make her trans- which i was saying is wrong-
It's always bothered me when people say Isabella is a lesbian just because she didn't want to marry Mariano, or that Luisa is Trans just because she's muscular ect, I'm glad someone is speaking up about it.
Edit: I never said there was anything wrong with the headcanons themselves, but it's one thing to project yourself onto a character; it's another thing to make headcanons based on harmful stereotypes. Especially if you make the film out to only be about sexual/Gender identity instead of acknowledging the message that the film is trying to portray.
@Iruru it's also apparently racist? I saw several Hispanic creators say that Luisa being hc'd as trans because of her muscles was racist because Hispanic woman being muscular was stereotypical??? Something like that, I'm not 100% sure what they said, please correct me if I'm wrong
@Iruru ah okay👍, well, point still stands that the Luisa trans headcanon is offensive to even the trans community itself, I just hope people will stop making these kind of headcanons with the most offensive/stereotypical reasoning behind them
@@evanwebb6374 it's a problem with women of color in general being "masculinzed" if that makes sense?
I'm not Hispanic so I can't speak on encanto specifically, but I am a girl of color who does find a lot of times the girls in the story who are hispanic, indian, african, etc. are often masculine which is obviously a hurtful sterotype
@@faded.sk1es196 okay, thank you for clarifying!
Merdia and Elsa got the same treament. Merdia didn't want a forced marriage with a man? She must be a lesbian. Elsa had social anxiety and didn't want to be around people? She must be a lesbian. There's something veeery off about this.
i really feel like ‘encanto should never be interpreted as a commentary on lgbt issues’ and ‘it’s okay to headcannon the sexuality of characters’ are two statements that can and should coexist as long as your headcannon doesn’t overshadow the true meaning of the film
Head cannons should and always will exist.
But.. they are called head cannons because they are in your head. Not actual cannons.
I really love your statement because I'm here wondering where head cannons and cannons just decided to blur for no reason.
What happened to the days of just having a wattpad fanfiction and that being the end of it instead of it being an issue that affects people's lives
yeah, as someone who LOVES analysing the queer subtext in literally any piece of media I come across, I'm gonna tell you, Encanto didn't even make me too interested in coming up with headcanons. there are of course queer readings you could do on the characters and/or certain aspects of the plot and message - the whole "black sheep" archetype is something a lot of queer people relate to on a deep level, but idk, it just feels like the movie isn't about *that*, specifically. it's more about generational trauma, family, and how relationships are two-way streets.
@@luckas221a Exactly. and there isn't much up for debate there. It is exactly as it is described in the movie.
@@xenrusxenomorph2268 the only headcannons ive seen of this movie have been gay and with incest.
Yeahhh... People take these head canons too far and they would always be rude to me when I would say things like, it never crossed my mind, or, I don't think that the characters are gay.
I’ve been in many fandoms, with many headcanons galore, but Encanto has to be the worst source of stereotypical headcanons I have ever seen 💀
I think MHA has the worst fandom I mean like- BAKUDEKU IS SO NASTY
@@skiskishakwhaksnz OOF…yeah; It’s definitely one of the worst fandoms in the anime community.
Well jokes on you, I think Alma is gay because I'm stupid 😈😈
Have you met the Voltron fandom? I love the show but I’m so ashamed of it’s fanbase and their stereotyping and ships
@@psychicmelon7738 i think ive heard of it
When Isabella has a secret MAN lover in a deleted scene everyone: NAAH SHE’S TOTALLY LESBIAN
Lol
Source give me. I want to see it
@@behindthemirror2215 it's this scene. ruclips.net/video/xqBwWD5BQ3A/видео.html
Straight bad now
I think that ppl mainly just like turning perfect and pretty girls into lesbian, to make them seem “imperfect” [even tho being lesbian or gay doesn’t make you imperfect] Even tho many ARE straight [But some irl ARE lesbian, Yet that’s still fine]. Like I said earlier, I think people just think the idea of making pretty, amazing, popular girls come out as lesbian makes them cool [Personally, you can do this to your oc’s, but don’t make your head canons be saying lesbian about a perfect girl just cause you like the idea of it, say what you actually think]
I think of it like this;
Someone gives a kid a birthday cake at their party. the cake is obviously made for them, but since it's a party it gets split amongst the guests. One kid at the party notices that the cake has strawberries and therefore thinks that the cake is made specifically for them even though it's not their birthday.
Colombians (and even other latin/hispanic cultures) finally are getting representation but it's becoming over shadowed by people who think every character is 'queer coded'.
It's not your cake just because it has strawberries.
it's not your birthday.
I like this analogy
thank you.
-a person who often ships gay ships
This is deep.
Utterly Shakespearian. I could not agree with you more.
Understandable!
Thank you
Just because Isabella didn’t want to be forced into an arranged marriage, that doesn’t make her lesbian
Just because Luisa is strong doesn’t make her masculine or trans
Just because Camilo can shape shift or is a bit more theatrical (which makes sense) doesn’t make him non-gender conforming.
Bruno is just a superstitious old man
Deloris doesn’t have ticks or anything, she squeaks when nervous which is common in Colombia (I won’t explain why because we’d be here to long)
Just like Elsa she doesn’t want to get married and people are saying oh she is lesbian like shut up she is probably not ready
@@annesofiesimonsen5974 ikr! Like girls been socially isolated for like 18years of course she wouldn’t be ready
Which also makes sense for Anna and how she’s more than ready because shes been longing for someone to play with or be with for the past god knows how long.
@@Oblivitana yea and besides I don’t think she is lesbian they are mostly Tom girls tho Merida could be she seem like that trap but not Elsa if I would give her a love one I would maybe make a crossover or hans
@@annesofiesimonsen5974 Elsa might never want to! She's free, and is the fifth spirit to boot. She has her powers, the people of both communities and the other four spirits working with her and under her care. And she's happy. It was so nice to see a Disney female character just get to be herself entirely. And not even ever have her conflict be to do with romance. Personally, I headcanon Elsa as AroAce (as an asexual person myself), but i dont care whether she canonically is or not. It's just nice to have the representation of a stable, *happy* woman who is also single.
@@Bloodjen you took it right out of my mouth even tho I’m lesbian I get annoyed because it just feel fouce
21:13 adding on the part about Pepa being light skinned and fair haired; her husband is also darker skinned. The family and the townspeople showed how diverse Colombia and the Latino community is. It was beautiful to see, honestly.
Agreed! It was just so beautiful, showing this diversity is such a good representation
What I see in Isabela’s story is not that she’s a lesbian. her song is not saying “I’m coming out I like chicks!” She’s saying “I am a woman and that does not mean I have to be stereotypically girly! I can be messy, have fun and be imperfect and still be a woman who has my own dreams” her sexual Identity does not matter, her growth as an independent woman who makes her own decision is what matters.
I agree
Especially when you add on the fact she is the oldest grandchild, the Golden Child. She had to be flawless and prove to Alma that the Miracle is in good hands. She couldn't breathe or just exist... Like she says, "It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be."
I agree but also disagree - I like the fact that she's still feminine instead of going full-butch, like she's a neat balance without being a stereotype, but it's pretty much the same point as yours so ye
I relate isabelas song because I have the same issue in Wanting to be a women but not wanting to wear pink/purple clothes or any stereotypical girly stuff. I can like typical goodies and shirts without being called a tomboy, or like makeup and called a "girly girl" and wear dark color schemes as well. I hate it when people put labels on stuff bc of certain things.
Isabella is not written queer. Her songs and her internal world are irrelevant. If real-life lesbians see themselves in her, then you can't stop them by saying it's not canon. Everyone knows it's not canon. Again, it's not about Isabella's orientation or inner world. It's about her being relatable to queer people.
As someone who is genderfluid, Camilo being genderfluid is a weird one for me. It's such a cliche to see the shapeshifter as genderfluid or gnc that it's gotten really boring for me personally. If you ask me, I'm more interested in his "Self Identity issues" and how it corresponding with his gift. Same thing with Luisa as a transwoman; It speaks for itself but it's more problematic than the gnc Camilo
Agreed, I kinda headcannon like one person (being Bruno) to be AroAce but thats it, though It’s just something I thought would fit, I don’t like messing with characters gender identities or sexualities to much, and I don’t think that my thoughts would genuinely be cannon, nor do I ship anyone-
Better to care about the characters for being as human as they can be. Not just only about one’s identities.
You'd think that genderfluid people would want representation that's actually relatable and struggles with dysphoria as opposed to characters whose ideal bodies are just given to them.
@@doritodorito492, I never said anything about representation. I just said that the head cannon of a shapeshifter being gnc is something I've seen it alot and it's boring to me. the key words being "to me".
If you ask me what I would want, I would like a genderfluid character be a human, a supporting member or one of the main characters, and have it be totally okay with everyone. Not a shapeshifter, not an alien, a human character. That's it but from what I've seen, that doesn't happen to often for any nonbinary characters, let alone genderfluid characters. Everyone else is different but I always prefer good representation and that good representation is the bare minimum. It's not interesting but it paints us as human which is always good.
To be honest, when I first saw a headcanon of him being genderfluid, it didn't even came into my mind that it's because of the shapeshifting. I just thought that it was a non offensive headcanon and they just said that because, I don't know, his vibe or style?
The rainbow on Mirabels dress isnt even meant to be a bi flag. Her dress is a cultural clothing and the rainbow is just a color pattern
Agreed
Don't let them see the cusco flag. They'll have a stroke.
@@BlooftubeBloof what's cusco flag
@@zzz.5008 I use bing
Made you look
@zzz. lmaooooo
luisas song literally has a section where she describes her dreams, what she wants.
and what fills the background as she talks all about her deepest desires?
pink fluffy clouds, glittery unicorn costumes on the donkeys.
a literal beast of burden dressed as a sparkly pink unicorn. thats not even a subtle hint...
how do people not realize all luisa wants is to be feminine and girly?
That is one interpretation. Another is that the dressed-up donkey represents a wish to return to the simple joys of youth, as having to be one of the load bearing members of both her family and the community as a whole probably didn’t help her sense of freedom and Luisa could’ve felt suffocated by the pressure of adulting and needing to be the strong one. But, and this is the big thing, BOTH INTERPRETATIONS ARE VALID! Just saying
Just want to clarify, I think your interpretation is pretty good and I really like it, it makes sense!
Thats literally your headcanon
As an Androgynous Ace;
NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE GAY
Hard agree! As a demigirl demiromantic lesbian, NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE GAY!
Agreed. As a bisexual, not everything has to be gay.
Defo agree! As a pansexual demigirl, not everything has to be gay!
Agreed as a lesbian, not everything has to be gay!
As asexual gender fluid, not everything has to be gay
I’m not gay or trans, but sometimes I really hate trans/gay headcanons because it almost always materializes as justifying gender norms. By that I mean a perfectly straight binary man will like flowers, and then everyone will call them trans or gay because they are slightly feminine. Like their female traits need to be justified in some way, which ironically just further defines gender norms. Because a straight man can’t POSSIBLY like flowers or sun sets or share their emotions, because then that would make them a girl. And to be particularly relevant to the topic, a straight girl can’t be strong naturally because then that would make them a boy. It’s ironic because LGBT is all about challenging gender norms and showing that gender is a spectrum. No two people experience their gender in the same way, and that’s okay! You don’t need to justify someone’s actions by saying “oh their queer so it’s cool.” Let my straight fellas wear makeup and identify as a straight male at the some time. It isn’t gay to be a femboy.
Gah, you took the words right out of my mouth. I am trans *and* gay too, and I don't like everything being hc'd as queer because it often tries so hard to have representation that it loops back to confirming biases and stereotypes. And often it ignores the original message of the piece that is being talked about. I love that people see themselves in something, and I love when people write fanfics because then I can separate the medium from their world - I know it's *them* writing it with *their* perspective of the characters, and I can choose to enjoy it or move on. But when it comes to headcanons, it's difficult to talk about the story without the headcanons getting in the way - I love how many different perspectives there are, but it often feels like a headcanon goes beyond a theory or a wish-fulfillment and instead becomes a belief.
And *yes* let our straight buddies wear make-up or dresses or whatever they want and still be straight! *Full* representation!
Exactly!! There’s nothing wrong with depicting someone as a certain sexuality or gender as long as it’s not determined by their appearance, personality, or interests… that does just create stereotypes
That's what most people would criticize about the LGBT+ representation in High Guardian Spice. There's this femboy character Snapdragon that I, along with many people, thought was just a feminine boy but they made this character trans. Not a problem but it annoys me when writers don't allow for femininity in men that doesn't immediately correlate to their sexuality or gender identity. It becomes almost reliant on stereotypes and could be classed as internalized transphobia/homophobia.
It doesn't help that the few masculine cisgendered boys in the show are depicted as douchebags.
I totally agree. I think there’s too types of head canons. There’s hc based on stereotypes which is weird and as an LQBTQ person I hate how everything surrounding the LGBTQ community has to be put into stereotypes. And then on the other hand there are hc based on personal experiences and relatability which I think is totally valid because it’s just a harmless way to feel a little less alone in your experiences if you imagine a character you relate to to have the same experience. But either way I think it’s toxic to fight others for having different opinions because in the end we’re all fans of the same movie.
THIS IS SO TRUE.
As a tomboy I notice that more masculine women are often forced into the box of trans or lesbian and it's frustrating.
I just like videos games and hanging out with the dudes leave me alone 😭
I like how in the end, everyone finally got what they wanted:
- Mirabel and Bruno got to be accepted into the family as who they are.
- Luisa got to have a moment of calmness
- Isa got to use her powers for what she truly wanted
- Dolores got to be with the man of her dreams and Mariano had someone to give all his love to
- Pepa finally embraced her gift, also showing that she let go of all the stress and emotions that were holding her back
- And Abuela got to bring her home and family together
Sure it was rushed but it's heartwarming :)
Sometimes you don’t need sequels :)
@@mancave10369 God I hope Disney understands that, I feel like a sequel could potentially ruin it
@@mancave10369 Or live action remakes 🤦♀️
"Bruno has OCD because he knocks on wood, throws salt, and crosses his fingers"
Or like... he's superstitious. And other than "Sana, Sana, Colita de Rana", I'm sure all three of those things are near-universal ways of diverting out evil spirits or the like when you have superstitious beliefs.
Exactly! Superstition =/= OCD!
Superstitions can coincide with OCD bro…
As a hispanic woman, it's the superstition. There is nothing more superstitious than a latino man who in most cultures would've been referred to as a Curandero.
I have OCD myself, and I can attest to the fact that very often it is damn similar to, and even overlapping with, superstition.
It doesn't have to be the same thing, no, but it is very closely related and has the same roots and similar triggers.
I like to explain it like this; Think of the human brain as a big mixer-table. Superstitions and rituals are common among humans all over the world, but OCD is when that dial is pushed up and stuck at a high number.
But rituals especially are something very universal.
Just look at athletes. How common isn't it that they do the same thing every time before they run to do the jump, or that little dance before going down the ski-slope, or similar things? It is because a small ritual helps your brain get into the mode for the task at hand, telling it "It's go time". Even athletes who aren't superstitious have rituals, and when you ask them about it they will admit that "no, I don't believe they make me better. But it feels good." And that is because it helps your brain switch tracks in your train of thought, so to speak.
And superstitious or cleaning rituals are kind of similar, since they get your brain out of the anxious mode and let you relax. Of course, this can become an unecessary crutch, and that's when it can impact your life and you should seek help. But doing things like knocking next to the door after you've locked it to easier recall that you did in fact lock it does no harm.
I could go on, since this is a fascinating subject for me, but I'm gonna quit now before I get tunnelvision.
It's funny how people headcannoed Isabela to be a fucking lesbian just because she didn't want to marry ONE guy. Like she probably wanted a man who's wild, imperfect, and fun just like her.
Or maybe she is not even attracted to any kind of romantic relationship at all xD
Why does it matter if people want her to be lesbian? There's just as much "proof" she's straight or asexual. I don't really care what she is but the fact that people say she has to be straight and scoff at people saying she's whatever else are doing exactly the same thing as the reverse.
This is just as harmful of a mindset as people forcing their head canons onto to others. Congrats, you missed the point. 💀
Well it's not just that for me, she just gives me sappho vibes.
I agree
I'm honestly getting tired with these things- NO HATE OF COURSE
I feel like Mirabel doesn't get enough attention in the fandom even though she's literally the main character. She's kind, patient, resourceful, and overall a great protagonist. She loved her family even though they treated her badly. Plus, she's great angst material and I'm honestly surprised that there's more Camilo angst than Mirabel angst.
I also agree that the people in the fandom tend to ignore the cultural aspects of the film as well as the main themes and focus more on headcanons. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with headcanons but the problem lies when people treat them as canon and their justification is always "because I said so" or "because whatever I say goes."
I think part of the reason for that is Disney animated movies have a large young straight girl audience who have crushes on Camilo, so they focus on him instead of Mirabel.
@@_politefrog_8892 Camilo is just great in general, he is likable in many reasons and ways and he did not get deserved screen time.
Most main characters in a piece of media sre overlooked by the fandom because they alr get so much attention from the canon
Some things I fairly enjoy are the floral dresses and dances. Which I don't see any appreciation from. They really dazzle me with their moves!
There's just more then what people make it out to be.
similar case with frozen tbh. anna is the main character but no one acknowledge her because of that one song.
Glad to hear another Colombian (Leaf) bring up the issue with Pepa and her skintone. As a lightskinned Colombian woman myself, I've had my identity as a Hispanic questioned all my life, seeing her in the movie WAS representation for me as well, who only ever sees dark skinned Hispanics depicted in media. Our culture comes in all colours and it doesn't make us any less of who we are. Loved the video, as a non-Colombian yourself, I think you handled it very respectfully and covered many of the gripes I've had with how people have taken the movie. I love Encanto and I am excited to know there will be a generation of people who know Colombia for this movie and not all its terrible stigmas.
ima latino, light skin isnt weird haha.
@@MeatballMusic I'm glad yours and my experiences haven't been the same
@@Luddagumma havent? lol
Not to come off as rude or offensive but light skinned Latinos make up the majority of Latino representation in media. Isabella from Phineas and Ferb and Honey Lemon from Big Hero 6 are both Latina and light skinned just to name two.
@@iridiumSerpent You named two characters that I also could have named lmao and even then, how many exist doesn't decredit my own experiences growing up and whether I was exposed to them? I'm not out here claiming white privilege isn't a thing or that POC don't get discriminated against greatly compared to white people, but that growing up I had both my family and peers discredit my heritage in the States because I'm not a darker skinned Latina. And that in MY youth, I didn't have exposure to Hispanic characters that looked like I did. Most of my family is exponentially darker than I am. Many Westerners have this impression that Hispanics are primarily darker skinned (Not necessarily black but not white either). This can be seen in how even with lighter skinned Latine characters Western media creators will draw them darker because they view it as more "Hispanc"; and GOD forbid you accidentally draw a Hispanic person too light. The fact that people refer to Pepa as mestizo despite her being one of two other triplets who just happens to be lighter skinned, but then not the other two, shows a clear disconnect between how people view her being a part of her family. Which isn't right. If she's a mestizo, they all are, because Colombia's demographic made up largely of European/Indigenous/Afro mix. But she's the only one referred to that way because she's white.The fact I know someone personally who said "that lady doesn't belong in that family" because she is white, isn't right and frankly super offensive. I've already seen people draw her as dark as her siblings and it's like, why can't she just be how she is? She's not less Colombian for being white. I think it's great that more POC are getting spotlighted in media and I want for more of that, but Pepa is not less Hispanic because she is light skinned and despite your experiences, people who discredit that do exist. The fact y'all even feel the need to come onto my comment and try to discredit my own experiences with how I'm "wrong" shows that despite the experiences I've gone through, they're irrelevent because I'm a white Latine person so therefore, I'm not ACTUALLY dealing with any real sort of racism. At least my skintone didn't stop an old coworker of mine telling me to go back to my country. Fortunatey only the worst sort of people recongize my ethnicity. But you know, go off.
“If you are shipping people from the same family together I’m side-eyeing you.”
Me every time I go on Ao3.
Clarifier: I am side-eyeing those people, I am not one of those people.
I just came across a bunch of fanfictions shipping Bruno and Camilo and I'm just having a lot of questions.
@@laysmaxx5789 So am I
As someone who is a fan of the Batfamily, I get this everytime I go onto Ao3 for cute wholesome fics of the BatFamily just being siblings, and I see fics of them being shipped together🤢
someone on tik tok explained this too. they're a lesbian and specializes in visual storytelling, and basically told us that there isn't anything wrong with headcanoning that they're in a certain orientation, just the fact that they're shoving the whole movie into everyone's faces as lgbtq+ representation. it's literally about family, generational trauma, and how it gets healed.
not everything has to be gay.
It's the fastest way to irritate and make people not want to see anything remotely LGBTQ anything because every single thing is now gay. Does that make sense?
I'm lesbian and i agree with you. Lgbt community should not bring everything to be gay or whateverrrrr. Sometimes it's irritate me even im a part of the community but in this case I'm not. why can't just do not relate everything with gender? Just enjoy the story without make speculation what gender they is.
Period, periodism, periodic table. Not everything has to be gay, and when im saying this to someone, they just say im homophobic 💀
Yeah they’re making the film seem like it’s a closeted gay family who struggles because of their homophobic grandma, that’s not true, it’s kinda disrespectful to the Colombian culture, it’s about family, generational trauma, culture, expectations
Lmao you guys should check a vid about "Isabella being her best self" i get that wlw can relate but goddamn, its like every Isabela related content i get on there's someone saying gay, i think its rlly fine if they hc or relate to her, but dismissing the generational trauma etc message of the movie or the columbian rep, now thats becoming a problem
This can be applied to literally any fandom.
It's okay to have headcannons, but when they're the only thing you talk about (essentially projecting yourself onto every character you "kin") and shove down people's throats to the point YOU get mad at people for disagreeing with you, then it's an issue.
Agree, as someone who is in so many fandoms, people would often headcanon many characters being part of the LGTB however something that I see commonly is literal wars between fans because of disagreements over their headcanons and trying to shove their own headcanon down the other person throat and it’s concerning, like why can’t people just respect each other opinions and not shove them down somebody else’s throat, I’m not saying that all fans are like this in fact there are many who are respectful of others opinions and commmonly I see things like “Ooo that’s honestly interesting, although I headcanon this character as insert LGBT headcanon but I respect your headcanon”, but people who just try to shove heir headcanon down others throat just needs to calm down and just learn to bit be like that cause not all are gonna share the same opinions
Just yes
The mha and genshin fandom are the best examples of the worst kinds of fan behaviors in recent times.
@@laoaidan2400 Yea... Im not in the Genshin Impact fandom so i can't say much about it, however im in the My Hero Academia fandom and yea- they get into war mode a lot in there especially in shipping and LGBTQ+ headcanons to the point is also extremely concerning and is pretty much why that fandom has a bad reputation which yikes-
Danganronpa fandom... (saying this as a Danganronpa fan btw. i haven't seen much people doing that cause i wanna stay away from the toxicness as much as possible but i know it's a thing because of other people talking about it.)
Personally, I think it’s fine to have headcanons, but it shouldn’t completely take away from the original narrative (i.e. Bruno isn’t really nerodivergent, just superstitious).
exactly my thoughts
LITERALLY
It literally says "OCD" next to one of his lines in the script...
. . . that he is neurodivergent is canon though
@@arianewinter4266 How's it canon? Did the directors say it?
"Forced representation isnt good representation, escpecially if its not meant to be."
- Sun Tzu, Art of War
As a queer Colombian myself, These LGBT headcanons felt very stereotyped to me & If I'm going to be honest they were weird to me. Majority of hc's I saw were from non latino / hispanic fans & It really irritated me when I saw them came to the conclusion that Isabella was lesbian solely because She didn't want to marry a man she didn't love. They overlook things that happens in ethnic households & how arranged marriages work . I also saw some hc's that Luisa was trans just because she was deemed as "manly" or "masculine" & it just overall overlooks everything. I'm not saying she can't But when your only reason is only because she's strong or "manly" its a bit strange especially if you're not hispanic or latino.
YES!! im not part of lgbt, but i am a latino person, and its like, can we have our stuff haha.
but also they dont understand the latino culture, forced mariges, etc.
FR As a Colombian Myself Can we just have a movie for ourselves
I noticed that alot of white people wont be interested in a show/movie that doesnt cater to them. So they try to find something that relates to them even if its not canon. So if the character isnt white. They must be LGBT+
I'm a Hispanic and queer and I also dislike the fact that people be calling us masculine because of our buff body. We're supposed to make trans women feel feminine, since they don't want to be called masculine.
Isn’t like the whole point of the Luisa person is that she’s gifted with being strong. Like it’s not like she’s manly because she’s trans, it’s cuz she’s literally on magic steroids
Old Gays: Don't stereotype us
Kids on Twitter: Lusia is trans.
and its not trans kids either
Uhm.. the way this is said just rubs me the wrong way
@@PARTYROCKERSINDAHOUSETONITE they aren’t wrong tho
@@crowfoot8059 they are, their comment doesn’t make since cuz they went from ‘old gays’ to ‘kids on Twitter’ like it’s not the same?? It just don’t add up
@@PARTYROCKERSINDAHOUSETONITE I’m pretty sure they’re talking about kids on Twitter who fake disorders and identify as dogs
Just wanted to mention that tics isn't specifically a trait of autism. Anyone can have tics, even neurotypicals
This isn't an attack, just thought it was relevant :)
Thank you! All of these people coding Bruno as neurodivergent cause he's got nervous tics, tapping his fingers, pulling on threads (his superstitious acts are not tics) when neurotypical people also has them, especially if they've gone through some trauma that has caused anxiety. He's not autistic, he's just nervous, that's literally what it is, nervous tics. And even if he has symptoms of autism, doesn't mean he has it. I should know, I was suspected to have autism for a long time because I had all the symptoms, but after an examination, turns out I don't, so to jump to conclusions like that can be really harmful
@@ha-diisfet2239He’s more superstitious as he knocks on wood and throws salt to avoid bad luck and has the “sana sana” chant due to the Casita being broken.
@@ha-diisfet2239 the script does say he has OCD (right next to the part in the script where he knocks on wood) so technically he IS actually neurodivergent. that just shouldnt be the main focus of the movie whatsoever, since the actual focus is generational trauma. the madrigal family doesnt demonize him for his OCD, so its clearly not related to the theme of encanto.
@@spiderqueen8463yes I have nothing wrong with the OCD hc. You can have serten OCD like behaviors and not have ocd.
It pisses me off when anytime a female character is single or rejects a man, people often assume they're lesbian (Merida, Elsa, Isabella, etc.). Just because a woman doesn't want to be with one specific guy doesn't mean she doesn't like guys at all.
As a latino and LGBTQ+ person, please... It's kinda offensive , no ITS offensive take some traits of the character that are meaningful to some culture and say "OmMGg hE HaS (insert a disability) and (insert a gender/sexual atracciton bEcAuSe THeY DiId soMeTHing" it's like saying that now when I drink mate (an argentinian drink) i have TOC.
Dolores sounds are not tics, we often do this "oops" when we hear some sort of drama or we heard something we are not supossed to hear.
This type of things feels like a meme, "gringos discover colombia" because most of people who do this are from the USA or any other first world country, most of latinos are trying to educate people about their culture but... welp, they don't hear anything about our words and decides to do some werid things for headcanons and trying to excuse as "THIS IS MI KIN"
now I wonder, why does one have TOC from drinking mate? That doesn't make sense lol.
People say Dolores has tics? That's just whacky
I imagine the people who say those things are the kind of people to say "speak English, this is America", and ask Asian-looking people if they speak "Asian". Americans learn a little Spanish and they immediately think they're the most knowledgeable people on Latin American history and culture.
Yeah, it's saddening, coming from the USA.
thank you
I've seen a lot of people complain about the film itself because of LGBTQ+ headcanons. People started to think that Disney was TRYING to overtake the main storyline, but I feel like if people just opened their eyes a bit, they'd realise every film/tv show/video game has loads of these headcanons. I'm normally fine with people having these headcanons, but when people treat them like actual canon, it makes others (particularly those in Colombia, and those who've actually experienced family trauma) feel more invalidated, and tbh, it can make us in the LGBTQ+ community feel slightly invalidated aswell (when people use stereotypes to headcanon characters, especially with Luisa, who's headcanon of mtf I find kinda gross, having lots of OC's myself that aren't trans but are still feminine/masculine/androgynous compared to their gender)
Overall, I completely agree with what you've said! It's fine to headcanon characters, but letting that get in the way of what matters is kind of ignorant, and I wish I saw more people delve into the history behind the plot (like this video did), rather than focusing on unrelated aspects.
thank you. i tried to explain why i didnt like fans like this to my friends, but they all told me thats its "just a headcannon, leave them alone." *this* is not just a headcannon. just get your own lgbtq+/neurodivergent ocs
Yes! Little girls are gravitating to her character because she’s a STRONG FEMALE character, not the pretty sister. Not everyone has to be LBGT+ because they don’t “look the norm”. It lets little girls know they can be big and strong but still pretty as they are.
Why people think luisa is trans???
Because she js strong?
Girl i wish i had 1% of her strength i cant lift a empanada
I think headcanons are fine and we use them to feel more close to s character
But when its more
Stereotyping instead of wanting to connect it feels iffy
Now im not quite sure if im cis or trans but the luisa mtf headcannon seems very stereotypy..
@@miigi-p4939 My friend's sister resemble Luisa a lot. She have muscle, strong and bigger than others girls. She's active in sport and such. My friend said that she take after her father for being bigger. I don't really care about people headcanons but personally I can't see Luisa as Trans. Sorry for bad English... English isn't my first language...
19:21 I am so glad you mentioned that!!! As a Hispanic/Latina woman, I tried so hard to explain to English-speaking people (ESPECIALLY Americans) that it's not always easy to cut off certain relatives, because our culture is what glorifies family closeness and love, and it's difficult to adapt to new ideas, especially when living in another society... So we make do with what we got while also learning to love ourselves.
You are allowed to make headcanons. It's your imagination so let it run wild. But it becomes a problem when:
-When you start claiming that your headcanon is canon
-Your headcanon can be easily debunked because of multiple reasons (creator saying it isn't true, something about said character's childhood, etc)
-Your headcanon is completely based on stereotypes
...and etcetera. You can add on to the list if you want.
PREACH!!
It is disappointing that in the youth's pursuit for queer representation and breaking gender norms, they've been relying on harmful stereotypes.
Like, all those people that would joke about Shawn Mendez being gay are no better than homophobes calling someone "gay" in the school hallway. We want femboys and sensitive men who can dress well but when they exist, we call them gay.
Same with all these characters in Encanto. Luisa is muscular so she *must* be trans or a butch lesbian. Camilo is a shapeshifter so he *must* be genderfluid. Isabel doesn't want to marry a man so she *must* be a lesbian. Mirabel is an artsy, dorky, chubby girl with glasses so she *must* be non-binary.
Popular headcannons exist in all fandoms but to insist that headcannons are gospel and "implied canon" goes against the very concept of what a headcannon is.
Aside from the glasses bit your description of Mirabel literally describes me
Reminds me of what they did to betty in rugrats. Instead of adding another kid with lesbian parents, they took the pair that was supposed to represent a "non-stereotypical couple" and that can work and doesn't have to be a bad thing, and made her a lesbian because she fit all the stereotypes. And when people openly discussed their displeasure for that, all we got was "did you see her in the original show, she was OBVIOUSLY a lesbian", like did you see that the entire show was displaying different kinds of family situations and how they can all work and aren't all stereotypical, and then you assigned her something, changed her, because she fit a stereotype?!
I would have liked it so much more if they had expanded Angelica's friend group, maybe give her and Suzie a boy friend (as in, a friend who is male) who had lesbian parent(s). That could have been cute, and could round out the cast a bit more. Not to mention, you could make him the sweet and sensitive type so you can have Angelica try not to be so mean or harsh to him. it'd be a cute story, maybe he has a Cynthia doll too, and he's getting bullied, and Angelica stands up for him and is friends with him due to a shared interest. That could have been really cute and given Angelica a lot more opportunity to grow as a person and be more likable without her losing herself.
@@heavennunya809 agreed. I know it's born from being starved of representation, but it seems to always be about changing established characters and stories rather than creating new characters and stories.
Just to touch on the subject, can you go by she/her and be non-binary? I may just be uneducated on the subject but I think that means you don’t really feel like either
@@jayceallen6530 I’m not the person you asked but yes, you can be non-binary and go by she/her pronouns. Pronouns and gender are different things
Isabella: I don’t want to be in an *arranged marriage* with this guy that I don’t feel anything towards.
Fanbase: Wouldn’t that make you… lesbian??
Reminds me of the penguins meme
I just headcanoned her as lesbian because of that 1 sec scene where she gave flowers to a girl and i thought it was cute(Which doesn't make her a lesbian ofc, i just like the idea.)
Fans: "Why are you gay?"
Isabella: "Who says I'm gay...?"
Fans: *You are gay.*
“Dozen that make you gae?”
This!!
I appreciate that you called out how not all cultures have the same standards for how family issues should be delt with. I've heard countless people apauled by the idea of forgiving problematic family members, in relation to Encanto as well as to situations in my own family. I'm honestly always kind of disturbed whenever I see tik-toks of people saying they would have and Mirabel should have blown out the candle or stitching that one of someone blowing out a candle in response to the picture scene. As a Colombian who has experienced generational trauma and has some very toxic family members that in some cases are far worse than Isabela and Alma, blowing out the candle would not be an option and wouldn't even be a thought to those of us in these positions, in these types of closely-knit families (which is basically everyone in South and Central America). Family is sacred to us, especially our mothers and grandmothers. The enemy here isn't the family, it's the violence and trauma that comes from political unrest. I've seen lots of debate on who the people who killed Pedro are and to be honest, I don't think it matters. Although there's a clear time period Disney was aiming for, the violence in Colombia caused by politics is an ongoing issue that continues to cause harm to countless families, and when talking about who doesn't deserve forgiveness, that's what should be talked about. It frustrates me that a lot of these issues of people not understanding that their culture isn't the only one or the "right" one is never listened to when it's coming from someone from a culture that doesn't conform to what English speaking countries believe in, so I also want to thank you for putting in the time to get a Colombian's perspective on the film and featuring it here as, unfortunately, most Colombian's opinions aren't likely to be heard outside the Hispanic community without a little help.
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Mmm... Dolores doesn't have ticks... The "hm!" She does is because she's the gossip of her family. It's common in latin culture. It's kinda along the lines of... "Wow" or "who knew" or "oh my" or even "oh well".
I’m so happy, as someone in a lot of fandoms, I get harassed for shipping straight ships, and they call me homophobic (when I’m pan) and then they tell me to go to hell, so I’m happy someone called this out
Damn. Hope you're okay. You don't deserve to be harassed like that
@@rynsummer1711 i agree
I got this a lot back when I was involved in the Overwatch fandom. There was a popular ship with a really big age gap that made me uncomfortable and when I mentioned it, people would accuse me of being homophobic. I also got accused of being homophobic for preferring a CANON straight ship over a fan gay ship between two characters who barely ever spoke. They also brought race into it a lot for some reason. Like if you shipped a character to a white character, it made you worst as a person than shipping that character with a POC. I never understood any of that. Not everything has to be some political statement. I thought shipping was supposed to just be for fun.
I don't really know what's a pansexual (LGBTQ+ is a thing forbidden in my religion (Jehovah Witness) so idk much about the meanings asides of the lgbt part) so can someone please tell me what that is? (Also I'm not a homophobe, even though LGBTQ+ isn't accepted in my religion, it doesn't mean I insult them)
@@Konata_TheRappa07 i believe pansexual is when you’re attracted to people regardless of their gender
I'm so annoyed about the "cAmIlO genDer cRiSis cUz shape shift" like ok sure he may have some crisis' but he isn't gender fluid or trans, he's just a shape shifter
Someone had to say it 👏👏👏👏👏
I mean I don’t personally have any gender identity headcanon for Camilo, but I feel like people headcanoning him as non-cis isn’t necessarily a problem in itself: just like this video says, the problem really starts when it starts overshadowing the whole character/message of the film, which can be very harmful, especially in a film like Encanto, or when shapeshifting characters are systematically headcanoned this way, which is kind of implying that non-cis people are somehow ‘’different humans’’.
people need to understand that you can be confused about your identity but it doesn't mean you are confused about your gender. there's more to being yourself than just gender
@@avidbreather6539 THIS
@@avidbreather6539 preach
I personally HATE how headcanons are just 'assumed as truth'. I also disagree with people making headcanons that all characters have to be part of the LGBTQ+ community. To be a good character, the character does not need to be black, part of the LGBTQ+, or think in a certain way. Sure, I support LGBTQ+ people in movies, but PLEASE respect the messages behind them! Artists are getting hit hard for not making an LGBTQ person in their shows. As I'm sure, this is what no one wants. The LGBTQ+ Community and the Black Community want representation, and I'm all for it! Heck, run wild and make some movies! Convince people for NEW movies! Don't attack the older stuff. I loved Encanto, and I think it's good that so many people can relate no matter what community they are a part of! Or if they aren't a part of any community! But please, don't enforce it on another person to believe a character is a certain way. It destroys the meaning and the ability to relate to characters for other people.
yeah! i support lgtbq, but like.. as a latino i loved the film, its my representation. it made me feel good and thats the point.
isabela isnt lesbian, she just doesnt want a forced mariage.
At this point, many people's mindsets are just 'If it's not LGBTQ+, it's homophobic, and if you don't slap a disability label onto a character, you're ableist.' 💀
Barely anyone’s attacking the older stuff. Colored characters are less boring than white characters imo, which includes black characters.
You want lgbtq movies and books.
In august Percy Jackson
@ *Shadow Nightguard* • ...why was the general Black community brought into a conversation that had absolutely NOTHING to do with us and who were not mentioned in this video? (This is a serious question, btw) I ask because I haven't seen ANY comments from non-Latino Black folks trying to "claim" _Encanto._ Friendly reminder, however, that Afro (Black) Latinos DO in fact _exist,_ so seeing Afro-Latinos in videos proudly claiming _Encanto_ is NOT a "headcanon", and it's NOT an attempt to "steal" someone else's culture; it would quite _literally_ be THEIR _culture_ AS WELL, same as their White Latino counterparts. Blacks in _Encanto_ weren't simply placed there as some sort of weird "woke" propaganda. They are LITERALLY a part of Columbian _history._
I've seen TONS of videos from people trying to "show" why Isabela is a lesbian, etc, (despite her previously planning on running away with a secret boyfriend in the original script) but I've seen NO comparable videos of Black people doing anything other than showing their love and appreciation for the film and characters or just being indignantly angry on Mirabel's/Bruno's behalf. Pepa's husband Félix is BLACK. All three of their children are BI-RACIAL, but the youngest, Antonio, came out taking more after his father than mother. Blacks are not trying to "claim" or "steal" anything in _Encanto;_ there is LITERALLY _no need to,_ because there were several examples of unambiguously BLACK Latino characters ALREADY featured in the film. And yeah, there are videos out there expressing excitement about FINALLY not being overlooked (as the media tends to ONLY promote White Latinos on screen to the point that many in the general mainstream seem to be ignorant of the fact that there even IS such a thing as an "Afro-Latino", because most people only think of folks who look like Jennifer Lopez or Jenna Ortega when they think of "Latinas")
I'm curious of what headcanon or narrative you feel that Blacks are trying to steal, as it obviously _really_ bothers you, judging by the VERY carefully cultivated words in your comment. It bothered you bad enough that you felt the need to bring it up under a video that _wasn't even ABOUT_ Black people in the first place, a video that ultimately _didn't even mention_ us.
I also hate how people are saying Isabela is a Lesbian because it's confirmed by the VA.
The VA has 0 control and say in Isabela's sexuality.
tbh. i didn't immediately see isabella as lesbian when I watched the movie, I headcannoned her to be aroace or just aromantic. I liked the idea that she just wants to be her own independent woman (which she is!). also in my mind, I just imagined her making a greenhouse with loads of plants and flowers.
same i do see her as aro ace to
Omg same! We seriously need more acespec represention in media...
She seemed that way to me too, but if she was lesbian it wouldn't bug me. I personally feel like Disney is kind of being as intentionally vague about ever having a gay focal character. They'll just do ace/aro cause it's easy and they don't have to explain anything and get brownie points without ever saying the term asexual or aromantic.
Yes aroace isabela!!
Same, I only had one sexuality headcanon and that was for Mirabel having a Rainbow in the colours of the Bi flag embroidered on the top of her dress.
I always felt weird when the people thought Isabella is lesbian. I’m bisexual myself, but I did not feel Isabella would be lesbian just because she doesn’t want to be arranged married.
I’m born in a medium-strict Indian family, and it’s a 50/50 chance that out of 5 sisters in the family, one of us will be arranged for marriage. My elder sister is one of them. Although she was arranged with someone really rich and nice, she still denied it. Why? It’s because she wanted a freedom of choice for herself.
Does that mean she’s a lesbian? No. It does not. So, just because Isabella refused to marry a man she has no interested in, doesn’t mean that she is lesbian. And yes, it does not mean she’s not too. I totally respect anyone with headcanons.
Just wondering if people who make headcanons hate single woman who doesn’t want to be forced into marriage. They seems to be labeling them LGBT+ every time these characters comes out.
Well, it has been a decade since the last arrangements of marriage spoken in my family, and my said sister is married to a man with a beautiful boy.
Hey what a coincidence! I'm bi and Indian too , nice to see a comment like yours
That's kinda what rubs me the wrong way about it. Sure they can have whatever headcanon they like, but they are also kind of skipping over the fact that Isabella's marriage was basically arranged, so she didn't like Mariano because she just didn't like him, and was only being married because of the family.
plus there’s a deleted scene of Isabella AGGRESSIVELY kissing a man ✋😃
@@vcxyz. it's a deleted scene so it's not canon, dunno dude
@@vcxyz. wait w u t
18:48
When I consider the Colombian families I've met, the idea of abandoning an elderly relative goes extremely against cultural ideals I've seen them express. My grandparents lived next to a young couple freshly immigrated from Colombia, and despite being completely unrelated, the couple took it upon themselves to check up on their aged neighbours quite often. They would even bring my grandmother amazing baked goods, which lead her to start baking things for them in return.
Isabella: *She don't want to marry a men that she don't love*
Twitter: OMg ShE MuSt bE LeSbIAn
Luisa: *It's muscular because she make a Lot of exercise just to maximize her gift*
Twitter: sHe MuST bE tRaNs
Camilo: *It's a shapeshifter*
Twitter: hE mUsT bE gEnDeRflUid
For the love of God, not everything it's about the LGBT+, Encanto has a very Nice meaning, it talks about a problem that almost everyone suffers, stop manipulating the meaning of the movies just to make it something that You want, it's like the Christians that manipulate the meaning of pop culture to Say that if You watch it You are going to hell
This could be a why some people hate the LGBTQ community. Also, aren’t the religious nuts sinners themselves by basically abusing the Bible for their own selfish desires??
im literally christian and we listen to pop music all the time,we never say your gonna go to hell .
@@Liquifywater I was referring to old times, like when they said that Pokémon was from the devil or at least that's what they did and continue to do in this part of the world, obviously it's not all like that in the whole world
@@shyduck9848 uhm okay-
@@Liquifywater *pop music* and *pop culture* are not the same thing
People often take allegories and metaphors way too far. Isabela's song is primarily about breaking away from expectations and perfection, and that can resonate with a lot of people for different reasons, be it sexuality, gender expression or just escaping the pressure of being perfect. Same thing with Camilo: its kind of a running joke that if you ask a trans person what superpower they'd want, they'll say shape-shifting, so when people see a shape-shifter they might automatically hc them as trans or gnc.
The root of all of this is a lack of explicit and positive queer and trans representation. Of course all minorities are underrepresented, but because you can't tell a person's sexuality/gender at a glance, it's really easier to hc a character as queer. Of course, some headcanons are more equal than others: people can and do fall into tropes and stereotypes when creating said headcanons. But the important thing is not to take those headcanons too seriously: that goes for the people who create them and the people who don't. If you read Isabela as a lesbian, don't call everyone who doesn't homophobes. If you don't read Isabela as a lesbian, don't accuse those who do of "forced diversity" or "pushing an agenda". At the end of the day these are fictional characters and your personal interpretations are not a hill worth dying on.
this is my take completely. I see that there is a legitimate reason for LGBTQ headcanons (literally how i realized i liked guys) but you shouldn't take them too seriously either way
As someone with a lesbian Isabella head canon, this is exactly how I feel and usual treat my HCs. I mostly just keep them to myself and consume silently.
@@CrowCoded you.
you're what the My Hero Academy, Tokyo Ghoul, RWBY and Genshin Impact, Twitter fandom should've been like
yes
@@CrowCodedok but it's not good to forced reputation on something that's not even confirmed
I get that people are desperate for their own representation but this movie isn't about those stories.
It's about Colombian culture, people, and generational trauma.
I'm not even close to Colombian, but as someone who didn't have the best family household, Encanto has become one of my all-time favorites for the way it is, and It's truly beautiful.
yes man, im latino and this is corect.
@@MeatballMusic ^^
Like I was so happy when I saw Luise because FINALLY - we get a masculine representation of a female that still screams femininity despite all that muscle. But *they* just had to ruin it.
It rubbed me so much in the wrong way to hear their reasonings of saying she's trans just because she's mascular and taller than everyone that's shown.
Isabella - it's fine if you HC her as gay because you relate to her situation but if you *reason* that she's gay because she doesn't want to marry Mariano ( notably a man she didn't know ) then that's where I put the line.
It's just stupid and I legit read someone say that Julieta and Pepa are in a poly relationship with their husbands and that FELIX AND MIRABEL'S DAD ARE IN LOVE SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE LINE 'two guys fell in love with family madrigal'. Honestly cringey and disappointing.
I'm part of the LGBTQ myself ( pansexual ) but man most of the times I just question why. 😭😂
I think it's fine to hc Luisa as trans since muscular doesn't mean masculine and she's super feminine anyways! But it's good to have strong women either way, trans or cis ^^
@@kyayamo yeah but it rubs me and the others in a wrong way to hear about reasons of making her trans just because she's mascular and whatnot - acting as if women can't be mascular regardless.
same with Isabella.
Same-
Unlike so many fandoms before I really avoided any “AU” of encanto because the story is just sweet as it is , glad I did
As a Hispanic person with a family dynamic like Mirabel's, I think people should be able to enjoy encanto the way they want to, as long as they're not reducing the character to just that headcanon and forget what makes them a good character. I think Lesbian or Bi Isa is a neat headcanon, but that doesn't mean I've forgotten all the pressure she had on her to be happy and perfect, or all the trauma she probably still has. And attacking people for headcanons/ shaming them for it/ making fun of their headcanon because it isn't canon is dumb.
I 100% agree with this comment
agreed !
Yup, totally agree
THIS! I wholeheartedly agree
This is the comment ever
i´m so glad someone speaks up about all of these headcanons. i totaly agree with you! This film and the story are so good and it deserves to be interpreted correctly
Exactly.
"Correctly"?
@@belindaluna2067 he probably meant originally intended
I agree as well! Not just in Encanto, but in general. * COUGH * Minecraft Story Mode community, Ivorren... * COUGH *
Yeah, I feel like the headcanons are only taking away from the story and it’s causing a lot of people to just ignore that fact that Mirabel is bisexual in canon. Don’t get me wrong, as a feminine queer I see a lot of my coming out story with Isabella but still. I could be completely wrong but I’m fairly certain it’s been confirmed that Mirabel is bisexual, and we’re completely ignoring that for headcanons. Idk, just my thoughts on the subject
Bruno: lives in the walls
Some people: "Omg, so gay! 😍😍"
@@Scribble2345 me: ( ・_ゝ・)
@@Misscouchpotato- me: ruclips.net/video/Hxa_o53GhrU/видео.html
I think it would be pretty funny if the creators revealed that the characters are lgbtq but not the way everyone assumed at all. Like Bruno is nonbinary, Mirabel is trans and Isabella is pansexual. It would show that all the previous headcanons *heavily* relied on putting the characters in the extremely small boxes that only fitted in stereotypes that cis-het typically created. Plus it would show that anyone can be any part of the lgbtq community without fitting even ONE stereotype/expectation
Yeah :/ A lot of the headcanons are based on stereotypes, which...a lot of people think stereotypes = queer coded. Them defying it by just making them LGBT would be better than all these "luisa is buff so shes a trans woman uwu" headcanons.
@@tomato5499 It's even funnier when we take in consideration how the words queer and queer-coded where homophobe slurs in the past, queer-code was similar to blackface; taking homophobe/transphobe stereotypes and putting them in cartoons as a mockery, and that's how we got Scar or Jafar as a mockery to gay people and Ursula as a mockery to drags and transexuals
Ahhhhh!!! Shhhh!!!! Don't say those things! You'll give the LGBT more ideas 🤪 lmao (I'm LGBT and I agree with everything doesn't have to be gay but it feels like some people are pushing it out there way too much. Not you guys I just mean in general)
@@ItsTanuki0_Clock um... as a black person myself i rlly dont think 'queer-code' and BLACKFACE are similar like AT ALL.
I'm not in social media so I had no clue so much was going on with Encanto and everything, but wow I really get it. I'm mexican, not Columbian, but I understand the excitement of getting a piece of media that's not centered around infamous things about your culture (like narco stuff for mexicans) and Encanto seems to be so lovingly made with Colombian culture in mind.
So it hurts when others push away the cultural importance for something for themselves.
Like ignoring something so amazing like addressing generational trauma in hispanic families (which, if you're hispanic, you KNOW it's a thing) and only fixating on headcanons feels...so disrespectful and hollow.
I totally agree, I’m not Colombian either, but I’m also Mexican!! I related so much to this movie and seeing how much care was put into the Colombian culture was so cool to see! It was really cool to see latino/Latina characters experiencing similar struggles as me made me feel so happy, I cried a few times on my original viewing of the movie. (Also yeah generational trauma is 100% a thing, can’t wait to be the first to go to therapy 🥲)
Not hate at all just wanted to tell you not to refer to people from Latin America as Hispanic because Hispanic is mostly going towards Spanish people not Mexicans, Colombians, Cubans, etc. If you want to refer to someone from Latin America you should go by Latino/Latina :)
@@spoookymitsuba that’s a really good point, thanks
@@monkeychief1904 no problem :)
Filipino here, and yes absolutely this. I'm fine with having headcanons of course.....but really? Focusing on JUST the headcanons? What about the beautiful story on how the actual ABUSER ADMITTED TO THE ABUSE??? seriously it's just annoying that people are focusing on the obviously not canon surface level things, rather than THE ACTUAL message. I, and I'm pretty sure a bunch more Latino/Latinas and Hispanics feel invalidated, yet again.
My personal view of hand cannons is rather simple. Anyone can have any head cannon they want and ship whoever they want but when you try to force it to be cannon or expect the creators to validate it is where your wrong and come off as entitled.
and if they treat headcanons as relevant to canon
And also as long as you respect others head canons instead of trying to bring others down or fighting because you have a different opinion. No one is better than someone else for having different interpretations.
@@silh3345 There are some headcanon that simply don’t deserve their headcanons to be heard. For example: in Wings of Fire, a 1000+ year old dragon is headcanoned by some to love a 13 year old dragon girl. Nobody should like that 🙃
"Everyone has to be gay" is the newest trend.
Even if a character is blatantly straight...
Or “two people of the same gender are very close and affectionate friends,they’re obviously gay/lesbians” even though they’re both straight
Gacha comty be like bruh
@@simplyxrainbowcloud *community
@@simplyxrainbowcloud I’ve never seen community spelled like that before lmao
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As someone who’s disabled, I appreciate that even with magical healing, Mirabelle wears glasses, she’s disabled!
Are people who wear glasses REALLY considered disable though?? I wear glass, the same age since Mirabel has wore glasses
I wish people would stop immediately jumping to stuff like “ISABELLA IS LESBIAN! THAT’S WHY SHE DOESN’T LIKE MARIANO!” I have nothing against gays/lesbians, but not everything has to be gay! When people don’t act a certain way, you can’t just jump straight to conclusions like that! Some people are just different.
Just because Isabella turned down Mariano, that doesn’t mean she’s into women and that men are completely off the table. Don’t forget that people can still turn down others for reasons other than sexuality. For example, we’ve seen that Mariano is a hopeless romantic who REALLY rushes into things. He’s sweet and means well, but that just doesn’t sit right with Isabella. (As shown by her reaction to him wanting 5 babies) Isabella is not looking for a relationship with Mariano, and is CERTAINLY not ready to be a mom yet. If you met a person you barely knew, who wanted to marry you right away and already have FIVE kids, would you really be okay with that? Isabella certainly wasn’t!
The story I see with Isabella is freedom for self-discovery and self-love. She’s great at making flowers, but she also wants to grow different plants. She’s finding a new side of herself that her family hasn’t allowed her to explore, and loving every bit of it. She’s not looking for love from someone else right now, because she doesn’t need to. She’s already loved, not just by her family, but by herself. This whole time, she had to put up an act, to be perfect, but now she’s free to explore her own interests. She’s free to use her powers to make whatever plants she likes. Isabella found a new artistic side to herself, and finally loves herself entirely, flaws and all.
I agree, however, I don’t see anything wrong with harmless head canons. Straight isn’t the norm and not everyone is automatically straight unless it’s said otherwise. What I do think is that when head canons are based on harmful stereotypes, it is quite problematic. But when it’s a cute little head canon made by a queer person themselves, I think it should be fine.
tbh i dont have a headcanon or theory but as someone watching from the sidelines, if you want someone to not disrespect your headcanon you shouldnt disrespect theirs. it goes both ways. not everything is gay but theres no harm in seeing a possible gay situation in one and vice versa. you have your own theory, they have theirs. thats just what i think. i see no problem with both perspectives.
To be fair, wanting 5 babies right after you’ve literally started dating is a little bit hasty! Like calm down my guy!😂😂😂
@@josiezonne5949 im sorry but straight is the norm.. cuz like most people are straight and it's also just how nature is.. all other living things mate with there opposite sex ..so heterosexuality is the norm.. and see i dont have anything against LGBTQ community .. and j respect yall.. .but stop denying facts yall.. and don't blame someone for assuming someone is straight.. tho its kinda the opposite now..
@@unknown-fr2md ok but you're still forcing reputation if you're saying that this person is gay or something when it's not confirmed lgbtq is also in the norm we're all equal, but people still don't realize that
The superstition things are still pretty much used today, I’m Mexican and yeah, my mom always ask me to knock on wood when I say something bad might happen
Holy shit we actually do that on our house
Even in Brazil, my mom sometimes would knock on the wood, so it was nice to see a reference to that in the movie :D
We do that in the Philippines too
I'm not Hispanic, but my family does this, especially my dad.
I’ve had my entire class do it in school and I’m Canadian
Thank you!! As a Latina, it’s actually pretty insulting that the only thing people are getting out of this is the whole lgbtq+ or the Neurodivergent aspect of it. I get it, but when you make this the sole purpose of the movie and center around that, and then dismiss the actual theme, it’s insulting. Bruno’s “ticks” is explained by the fact that he’s superstitious and that he’s been isolated for about 10 years with no contact with his family. That has to be lonely.
And I’ve been attacked so many times by none-Latinos for defending Abuela Alma and saying everybody should have cut her off. That’s not how that culture works. I’m sure Colombia, like the rest of Central America, emphasizes the importance of family.
Also, news flash, I’m sure they’re all probably homophobic considering the culture and nature, so saying it’s only Abuela Alma is just sad. Just saying
Actually the whole "everyone's making everything gay" Is blown waaay out of proportion like if you go look for it there really isn't a lot of LGBTQ headcannons
@@TiredHumanBeing Trust me I’ve seen too much
@@TiredHumanBeing What? We must be in completely different parts of the internet-
@@andrianasyg look up the postmodern horror of Encanto discourse by Alexander Avila.
@@mayanscythe postmodern horror, Encanto discourse ppl are over reactionary on the internet at times, this video is very helpful
I think Luca can be analysed as being about hiding identity and sexuality; when I watched the movie I felt it was very obvious that the conflict could be a metaphor for the same struggles a queer kid faces, and I was definitely not alone. Some have said that it's even explicit representation, and I kinda agree, it's a kind of "if you know, you know" situation wherein you could immediately recognize the metaphor if you relate to the character, but straight people who watch it and isn't familiar with that struggle, probably wouldn't recognize it.
Encanto is VERY different. It's one of very few Disney movies to look at interfamilial relationships (as opposed to having the protag be an orphan/parents nowhere to be seen) and also explores a culture heretofore not seen in a grand scale animated movie. I immediately saw the messages of intergenerational trauma, neurodivergence, and healthy relationships (communication, setting boundaries etc) being showcased in the movie, which are all very topical and current buzz topics, as it were. I really thought this movie gave mooore than enough material for people to discuss how best to try and bridge the generational gap and how to go about fixing the cycle of trauma, and relate to characters based on your childhood trauma lol because the Lord knows I immediately saw my mom in Luisa, and me in Isabela, both my aunts are Pepa which is kinda hilarious but... You get the point.
And here everyone is discussing sexualities and gender identity. I mean, I agree that people look for what they relate to, but damn. There's already so much on offer here to discuss. When people did it with Luca I understood, because the movie lends itself to that, but this movie? I guess I'll just discuss the pressure to perform perfection as an eldest child and carrying all the unspoken expectations of your family with my therapist and the very small group of fans who are not obsessing over Isabela being a lesbian. Lol.
THIS
I don’t see why you can’t do both. You can head canon Isabella as a lesbian and also understand the themes of the movie.
@@r.i.pmydog7723 I agree with you, you can obviously do both - and I do both in a few characters' cases - all I'm saying is I see wayyy more pics of Camilo in his sister's clothes or lesbian content of Isabela than I see people discussing the stuff I've thought about. So it just seems like obsession with sexuality and gender id 🤷
Luca’s director has explained what inspired him to create the story and all and it has nothing to do with sexuality, although he also mentioned that anyone is free to HEADCANON while STILL BEING AWARE that its not the real reason yk
@@r.i.pmydog7723 the problem is the community is always saying “you cant tell someones sexuality from their personality or looks” and then they do the exact same thing. Isabela is careless, wants to have fun and doesn’t want to marry ONE man, so everyone thought she must be a lesbian. Does that make sense? It doesnt to me.
My personal opinion is that headcanons are ok, as long as you don’t force people to agree with them or act like they’re canon. We can all have our own opinions, but please don’t try to force those opinions on others.
exactly, but most are dumb, like making isabela be a lesbian just because she doesnt like one guy
@@lemuteas facts, including there is a deleted scene in the encanto drafts that Isabella did have a secret lover that she would’ve run away with.
But they did scrap the idea because it would be too cliche being that “the perfect girl breaks away for another man” stereotypes
@@K.d_ship right omg its so annoying when the accuse someone of being a lesbian and doesnt even actually know the deleted scene or smth
As a shipper with multiple OTPs that would damage if not tank the film/series if made canon, I support this message.
This is what I thought when Luisa was brought up, I didn’t feel like adding much towards the whole culture thingy, as I’m not Latino.
Coming from a trans person myself, I really don’t like cis people having trans hcs sometimes, like they would misinterpret a character and run with it. Femboy? Clearly a trans woman! Woman that is masculine? MTF! Guy that is just not a manly masculine man? Well he can’t be cis! I just realized it’s usually hcing AMAB as non-cis; idk it feels weird as a FTM to see not as much hcs of trans boys, it kinda leaves a bitter taste in my mouth? (I think there was a girl crossdresser that people made ftm, but I don’t rlly remember what series they were from.)
Same with exclusively gays and bisexuals, I don’t see many bi headcanons compared to exclusively gay/lesbian, kinda sad tbh. Don’t misinterpret this as me saying “no trans hcs!” just please don’t take one aspect, and run with it, it honestly comes off as fake support. (Like the company’s that all of a sudden support gays during pride month.)
It’s better off letting guys be non-masculine, as it’s breaking gender roles, + this video mentioned it can be stereotypical.
I just wanna see straight cis men in skirts and straight cis women in suits 😭
@@lisathekitty7044 this! exactly
100% agreed. Although if I can provide some insight: the overwhelming majority of bi headcanons compared to gay headcanons probably comes from the fact that many characters that can easily be read as queer tend to be protrayed within very heterosexual stories. Since the fans don’t want to disregard canon _completely,_ they usually just go « oh, then let’s just say this character’s bi! » then run with it… Which I can honestly understand. x)
Edit: HOLY COW I completely misread your comment! I thought you said there were more bi headcanons than gay ones, but you said the complete opposite!! x) Please disregard my comment (although it’s a bit strange that, in my fandom experience, I’ve encountered more bi headcanons… maybe it depends on the fandom?? :0).
🙏 Thank you
I really don’t like the mtf Luisa hc, most people only think she’s trans because she’s muscular, which kind of implies that cis women can’t have muscles. And especially because women and girls of color are constantly defeminized.
As much as I love to see lots of representation of the LGBTQ+
*It gets a bit annoying to see many assumptions of almost every character to be LGBTQ+.* As long as it doesn't seem hurtful or harmful. Just don't shove it a lot to others who have different opinions or theories.
Exactly! Couldn't have explained it better myself
YES OMG
I saw a tweet that said if Camilo wasn’t gender fluid in the next movie they would be pissed off. Does someone’s sexuality or sex identification suddenly matter more than them now?
As quoted in another video, "forced representation isn't good representation"
TL;DR: Yes, Mirabel forgave her Abuela quickly, but are you really gonna tell a 15 year old Muggle in the middle of who knows where to cut off her family matriarch?
See with the part about people saying that Mirabel forgave her Abuela too easily: yeah, she did, but also she didn't.
As someone with a parent I butt heads with, I know Mirabel is never going to forget that fight. She's never going to forget how Alma yelled at her and genuinely believed that Mirabel was to blame for the family and the home falling apart.
But here's the thing, a thing that Mirabel said during the fight: "I love this family." With families like this, you just... forgive each other. You may not want to forgive, your heart may hurt when you think of having to be near them, but your heart still craves that bond that it knows is possible.
My sister treated me terribly when we were younger and I wasn't the best sister back, but I still adore her with all my heart.
My Dad is... not the best. Not punchy or anything but I've gone to my room crying my eyes out and feeling like every part of my spirit was being torn apart. I still hug him and say I love you. I still hop onto his bed and watch RUclips with him. It's just natural.
Let's also not forget that while Mirabel might have recognized that her grandmother was the one killing the miracle that Mirabel has still been the family scapegoat for ten years since they couldn't blame Bruno for everything wrong now. She had all night to sit by that lake and think of every reason why Casita dying really was her fault.
This has nothing to do with Encanto or anything, but I relate extremely strongly to your relationship with your dad… ^^’
This sort of odd middle-ground where you know it’s not like an _awfully toxic_ relationship that you should _absolutely cut out of your life,_ but you also realise that there’s SO much room for improvement that has very little chance of being made because of how non-seriously the problem might be taken.
(if I’m totally off with that description I’m sorry, I think I’m projecting on you lmao)
@@viveleshistoires4874 It's okay to project and you're right! Your heart knows what kind of love they're capable of and _wants it._ Human hearts are weird and messy.
i have the same relationship with my mom
Wholly agree with all this. Adding on, Mirabel forgiving Abuela is the emotional climax of the film, there's only so much room left. So what are our options? A timeskip showing Mirabel only fully forgiving Abuela after months if not years? Mirabel being cold to Abuela to show she hasn't fully forgiven her, thus giving us a more bitter ending? How much does Abuela have to pay (This is after destroying the miracle which she knows was very much due to her) before we can consider it a good enough time to forgive? This is a film, we only have so much time, and we still want that satisfying ending of everyone coming together to rebuild. As you said, Mirabel will never forget the bad things that happened. Who's to say that the more personal forgiveness didn't come later, while what we saw was surface level for the sake of presentation?
A lot of people seem to forget that, people do bad things, often without truly realising. That doesn't mean they can't change, or get better. Does that excuse what they did? No. But does it mean that you should just cut them out and never forgive them? Well, aside from really nasty situations, also no.
If you demand a pound of flesh from people for every injustice they've done, all you're going to do is ruin them right back. And if that someone is trying to make amends, then why punish them? Forgiveness doesn't mean "I excuse everything you did and you're 100% good in my book." It means "I acknowledge you're remorse for what you did and your attempts to improve, and I still love you enough to try and move on."
(Also an aside, I very much empathise with you and your dad. I too have a tricky relationship with my dad. There are times I borderline hate him for how he behaves, but much of it is due to past traumas and severe mental illness, so it's a massive grey area. There is genuine love buried in the suffering, and I just can't write him off as a bad person and leave him because of his episodes.)
Good lord that's wordy, my apologies. You can tell I've been holding on to this for a while XD
The only person who should dictate who, what, and when you forgive is you. No one else should decide that for you.
The way people assumed Isabella didnt want to marry Mariano ONLY because hes a straight guy just throws me off like 😐😐 like its literally said in the film that she wanted to have a wild, fun life and to be able to live not just for her family but also for herself or maybe they’re just dont match each other’s personalities and all that?? Gosh its not that complicated 😭😭😭
so true, they act like she needs to justify not liking someone which is really problematic irl
Also, Isabela was originally supposed to have a secret boyfriend iirc, so it's unlikely that she's a lesbian canonically.
17:20 The rainbow on Mirabel’s top is actually supposed to be a reference to her tía Pepa’s weather powers which would actually imply that Pepa is the bisexual one lmao
i myself am latin, & we have very little *accurate* representation in media. encanto actually has a lot of realistic representation of Colombian customs & traditions, & people who take that as signs that they are lgbt lowkey disrespectful. a great example would be people who headcanon mirabel as bi because of a “rainbow pin” she has on her dress. Colombian attire & typical latin attire in general uses many bright colors in its pieces of clothing- & for people to mistake that as a sign of being lgbtq is quite nerve racking.
I thought the rainbow represented her Tia Pepa given Mirabel sewed symbols on her clothes to represent her family. 😶 She sewed her own face, a leopard for Antonio, Floral designs for Isabella, the candle for her Abuela, a chameleon for Camilo, weights for Luisa, and I couldn’t find the symbols for her mom and Dolores though.
@@ZebraFish629 i’m not really focusing on the design of her dress, i’m talking about the rainbow pin she has on her chest, which is the main reason why many people hc her as a bisexual .
@@gorsens I see what you mean, but I’m just pointing out Pepa did summon a rainbow behind herself when the family took a group photo inside Antonio’s new room. I just like looking at little details. She was clearly happy that her son got a gift after she was so nervous for him. I would prefer if there was focus on the family and generational trauma instead of people focusing on headcanons’ of the characters sexualities and gender identities.
@@ZebraFish629 oh okay !! i’m sorry, i must’ve misunderstood your other comment . despite that i do agree with you !!
@@ZebraFish629 dolores has music notes and julieta has a basket of cheesy arepas lol
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W h a t? I’m Puerto Rican, and I can say for a fact that skin tone between certain people from certain Hispanic countries can very a lot. I’m a lot paler than my sister. This just happens!! Belive me, it’s real! Pepa being white in skin tone is not unrealistic in the slightest.
right? my sister and i look a lot like julieta and pepa, and guess what? we're still hispanic! It was actually really exciting to see the different skin tones and not have any attention drawn to it or be weird about it, it was good representation imo!
omg YES. i'm puerto rican too and you'd be surprised just how many people here are white or light skinned (like me!); it's not whitewashing, it's just diversity LOL
@@Re-iv5pv THIS!!!
Fr!! I think its so dumb to call it whitewashing like... so many Hispanic ppl are white or light skinned (I'm one of them) and tbh its rlly refreshing to see how well they represented the diversity in the movie! ^-^
what's frustrating about this is the fact that they're implying that being latino and/or Hispanic means you have to look a certain way which is dumb because latino/Hispanic is not a race but an ethnicity
I want to say that you also shouldn’t say that Dolores is “autistic”. She’s a typical Latina gossiper. That little “hm” noise she makes is what Latino say when we gossip, so it’s completely normal.
I think she may be referring more to something like Dolores's sound sensitivity, which, as someone on the spectrum, is something I have had to deal with my entire life (watching fireworks with my head phones in etc.).
@@MrMrMrprofessor Yeah but she most likely would be sound sensitive because of her gift. I get that though
@@MrMrMrprofessor It could always be an allegory for autism, but in the end, Dolores is only hypersensitive because of her gift. Hypersensitivity isn't the only symptom, afterall. You can have it for other reasons.
OR…. She just wants to squeak like brunos rats.. jk
@@destroyerofyorks Oh trust me, I don't believe Dolores is meant to be autistic or meant to represent it. I was more explaining that may be why she could be perceived as one.
I'm glad to see some rationality. That bit about Luisa is what gets me the most. People don't seem to realize how SEXIST it is to see a GNC person and go "oh they're totally trans", as if cis women can't be muscular and strong, or cis men can't be slightly feminine or skinny.
I respect you for this.
As a tomboy (I don’t really agree with that name since I don’t think my clothes or interests make me any less of a girl, but I digress) it always bothered me when people in fandoms cannot let any character who isn’t a cardboard-cut-out stereotype be straight.
It is really isolating for people who are different in that way.
We feel like people don’t think we can exist lol
I also just agree that the internet is obsessed with making every character gay, whether there is valid reason or not. Lol 😂
-Enma
Oh my gosh I agree so much! I'm a female but I often wear sweats and a hoodie since I find them comfortable, but since most other females at my school are different than me and I seem to wear clothes a male would wear (and it doesn't help that I like to play video games and watch RUclips over Snapchatting or talking to friends, in fact I don't even have very many friends in general, only like 1-3, and how I also prefer just below ear to shoulder length hair and I don't like putting my hair up even when it gets longer) people I feel comfortable around and laugh with that sit at one of my tables in one of my classes (they are all male since I feel more comfortable around males) originally thought I was lesbian or trans before I told them I was straight. They didn't tell me why they thought I was trans or lesbian but I assume it had something to do with the way I dress and who I am as a person. When I asked them why they expalined it in a way I wasn't familiar with because I am more on the innocent side of things. However, because I'm like this it is very difficult to find someone I relate to in movies, video games, books, or anything really because so many people, even people who make stories, think straight characters have to be, as you said, "cardboard-cut-out stereotype" when that isn't always how it is in real life. Did I say that in a understandable way or did I just make things more confusing?
I tried to explain this feeling to a group of former friends and it was not well received. You explained it well, being a girl and doing ‘tomboyish’ things and people in response viewing is ‘not a girl’ or forcing an idea because she doesn’t fit the stereotype of a woman. Idk but i like what you said you explained it much better than i could.
I blame the fujoshis tbh the mfs ruin everything
@@Wind_Cursed Girl,, we're twins
@@Wind_Cursed we are the same people istg
The biggest issue is that some people try to warp certain characters so they can see themselves everywhere.
This can be an issue.
I'm neurodivergent, but that doesn't mean I NEED every character to also be neurodivergent.
Hi! I’m a queer Latina! Not that it matters much, but I wanted to throw my two cents in, since I’ve seen some stuff about LGBTQ+ head-canons for Encantó. Honestly, the great thing about art is its subjectivity. If a character speaks to someone, and connects with part of their identity, that’s special. I think that sexuality head-canons are generally harmless unless a character is explicitly stated to be something else. In regards to this situation, it’s still okay to see the portrayals of these characters as queer representation! (Or not to see it that way!) As long as Columbians are not being talked over when it comes to actual historical and cultural themes that exist in the movie. There’s no reason that Isabela can’t be a lesbian while also feeling the effects of generational trauma, the expectations of young Latinas to get married and have children, etc. Again, as long as people are respecting the historical and cultural influences on the film, there’s no reason that they can’t head-canon virtually anything. Just because a lot of people head-canon something, it doesn’t make it canon.
Also, about mental illness/neurodivergent head-canons, they are totally valid too! While, yes, a lot of Latino influence is visible in Bruno’s superstitious rituals, that doesn’t mean that they couldn’t be part of a mental illness/neurodivergence. (Personally, it reads as OCD compulsions to me, someone with OCD who has some compulsions rooted in superstitions that are sometimes culturally influenced. I’ve done the salt over the shoulder, and I recognize Sana Sana. I’ve also had counting and touching/tapping compulsions like the ones that Bruno demonstrates.) Mentally-ill Latinos do exist. More to that point, a lot of mental illness can be rooted in generational trauma, societal pressures, and familial pressures. Things like that can be an extension of larger cultural issues at play, especially in Hispanic cultures.
Anywho, this was a great video, and I do appreciate your commentary and your beautiful art!! You’re so super talented, and I hope that you never doubt that! 💖💖
See I agree with you the rest of these comments are just hectic
@@TiredHumanBeingYeah, a lot of the comments just completely disregard intersectionality and the nature of head-canons. Though, one thing that made me feel a little better was watching Aretheygay’s video on this topic. Here’s a link if you’re interested! : ruclips.net/video/3jl9mubmE-E/видео.html
Anywho, I hope that you have a great rest of your day!! 💖💖
@@thatoneperson8593 I've actually saw the video I loved it! Glad I'm happy that I'm not alone in this.
I'm very glad people are talking about it. It's like the whoel deal with Luca. People take their headcanons of Luca and Alberto being gay as canon when that's absolutely not the case, they are just meant to be besties. Boys can just be friends with each other, girls and boys can just be friends with each other, girls can just be friends with each other. Sometimes it's nicer not to have a huge romance subplot and having a movie be just about friends and family. Not everything has to be gay, it's okay see yourself in the characters and see your problems in the characters but don't take it as canon.
I headcanon that Camillo would be good at hide and seek because he could just turn into someone who wasn’t playing- unless Dolores was the seeker- like she could hear where everyone was even if she was blindfolded.
Camillo would be the best babysitter.
@@catandrobbyflores I definitely agree- he would be the most fun babysitter- but I also fear he’d accidentally set fire to the house trying to make popcorn in the microwave
I can imagine him doing that😂
Hope you dont mind me talking abt this
Im Colombian! And encanto was such a surprise and I remember being so excited about it, because I never thought disney would focus on colombia and make a movie about it..
The family trauma portrayals were also really good and spot on (specifically Mirabel’s but i might be biased because I sorta rlly relate to her trauma)
I dont mind people making lgbt headcanons because im a lgbt person myself, but some of these doo get awkward (Camilo being gender fluid because he’s a shape shifter is.. a little weird, same with the headcanon of lisa being mtf, I dont wanna bash on headcanons but just. Can we have a female character thats like physically strong without calling her a trans woman? Im trans myself so I feel like I can speak up on that)
Anyways, Wish people focused more in the actual thematics of the film and like, the whole family trauma deal rather than skin color and sexualities? God the whole deal w that twitter user complaining Tía Pepa was white washed was so infuriating..
I'm pretty sure that not all people from Colombia have the same exact skin color anyway, I think I saw other people who were white in the movie too, so them saying that Tia Pepa was white washed is stupid when you think about it, like there get be white people who come from Colombia, and white washing is taking a pre existing character and replacing their race, Pepa was always white, at least in most concept art that I have seen, so I wouldn't call it white washing when the character was always white
@@ashuraconla2550 apparently in some concept art her skin was darker or something? She was brown, I dont know man still weird as hell, they called her the token white character which is just 😐
And yes, in Colombia most people have different skin tones, for example my family is mainly light skinned, but you can find tanned, brown and black people too in the country, is just stupid idk man lmao
I'm a white passing Hispanic it makes me so mad I was so happy for the representation for afro-latinos and white passing ones(I didn't think I NEEDED it but damn ig so)
Its all people with no Colombian ties or even Hispanic ties bc we know how we got mixed like this from colonizing so the yt ppl would do well to butt tf out on why Hispanics look the way we do
was expecting people to colorist with the darker characters bc racism surprised i have to defend "white" characters from white ppl
Right????? White people/ white passing people exist in Latin America too, I mean 🤦♀️
@@anacarolinamenezes8912 Sometimes even inside the same families. In mine you can find all the skin tones going from paper white to coal black for example.
Luisa being trans sounds like something JKR would think
What I saw to much is people wishing death upon Alma. Which is not only creepy but also missing the point of the typical Disney happy ending. Of course its rushed for the movie but they do say that things arent perfect and that can mean that while they understand each other now, more healing needs to happen. But it also ignores that Alma is a deeply traumatized woman too.
I dont mind headcannons but why do most people base it on personalities/aesthetics and ignore the fact literally anyone could be any sexuality your personality or vibe doesn't determine that? Idk it feels very weird to me.
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Its their hobby. Falls in line with them Making random flags.
Fr though, I've had so many people react with surprise when they find out I'm not a lesbian just because I give off "gay vibes". Like, I'm pretty sure the only thing that makes you gay is only being attracted to the same sex? I wasn't aware that being tall and wearing button up shirts makes me attracted to women but here we are I guess.
@@_mediogre_ Right? Its not some aesthetic 🤨
But there already doing that tho….
Wait wait wait-- you animated me talking I'M SCREAMING AHSGAHDAHDGAHDJAHGJ thanks for asking my opinion ;u;
And as a little note, I resonated with Bruno the most. I heard what you said headcanoning him as autistic but-- hear me out! He's a great analogy, really. Everything we say gets misinterpreted, we are the black sheep of the family and prefer to live on our own spaces, away from the judgement, wanting to be a part of but not really knowing how to achieve it. So we feed into our fantasies to make up for the real affection we can't seem to get otherwise. So leaving the weird behaviors aside (I wouldn't call them ticks, but compulsions), I think he does fit into a credible autistic headcanon, haha;;;
ABDGGFGH Im glad u like it!!
And you're right, i should have gone into that a bit more sorry ;; I moreso just wanted ppl to know the context of what he was doing in the scenes ^^"
My mom is a psychologist so I asked her and she said people usually see introvert characters as August just because they just don’t connect with people. She said he is not an autist
@@leonorcrafts9877 not all autistic people are introverted. a lot of us are extroverted(i’m not, though)! we *can* connect with people. just because your mother is a psychologist doesn’t mean she knows how it is to be autistic.
have a nice day!
@@catsareawesome4124 I don't mean to speak for them and their mother, but it sounds less like "autistic=introverted" and more like "people SEE and headcanon introvert characters as autistic because of tendencies to stick to themselves or have less than perfect people skills", as in people noticing these habits or attributes and saying it can only be autistic rather than other outside influences or choices.
Like they said about people headcanoning Bruno autistic for how he acts, but there's also the fact he's been practically brought up being told "your power is bad and you only make bad things happen" up until he ran away and lived on his own watching everyone else live together to protect his niece for years. He seems to have more social anxiety put in him through what he's been told and how he's been treated as more than just "bad people skills=introvert=autistic". I hope that makes sense, I'm not very good at describing qwq
Edit: Heck, his reunion is spent nervously telling them what he meant by everything that they said he did wrong rather than being apologized to properly, a big thing that could also be attributed to someone who hasn't had their voice heard and been told they're always in the wrong by these people he loves
@@Kat-zh4ly ahh, i just reread their comment and i think you’re right. thank you!
Watching this video made me feel so much relaxed and happy, because of how this film represents healing (atleast is how i see it) and talking about it is therapy to me. I don't exactly mind for people saying how Isa is lesbian or how Camilo is genderfluid because I support LGBTQ and people are allowed to be their true self and love whoever they wanna choose (Love is Love) but skipping through the true meaning of the story Encanto isn't exactly is what ive expected but I still love the Encanto community, y'know? I'm Colombian but as a Latina, I love how related this film was to me and how it hit close to home. Especially when it was about family, trauma and healing after that trauma as it create a closer bond in between the family. Thank for making video, it was nice to hear someone else talk about it:')
I meant not Colombian, I'm sorry for the incorrect error ":D
People can be gay and Latino, from what I've seen there's not actually a lot of LGBTQ headcannons and when one pops up every once in awhile they get loads of hate.
“Isabela’s a lesbian because she didn’t want to marry a man!”
Me:…by that logic she could be aromantic but okay-
Or how about DONT make everything sexuality. She literally says in the movie she doesnt like him. Its an arranged marriage and she doesnt love him THATS IT.
EXACTLY
(I wasn’t trying to make what I said a head canon, I was trying to say that by that logic there other things that she could be, but I personally agree with you)
Yep she could be aromantic, either that or because he was the wrong guy for her. Do these people not know that straight people reject the opposite sex because the feelings just never happened but could happen for another member of the opposite sex instead? Isabella is probably just waiting for the right guy or when the right guy shows up she will fall in love with him.
@@russianvalkyrie2358 being aromantic doesnt have anything to do with sexuality
woahh, i definitely agree! as someone who's queer and latino, this topic has been sitting on my mind for a good while now. i personally am not new to queer headcanons, have done them myself and i get it. representation matters, especially in poc spaces. but to me, in the case with encanto, it feels more like non-latino people not having a way of fully relating to the struggles, since some are very deeply set in our culture, so they decide to force the only other things onto the characters that they could possibly relate to ; queerness and neurodivergence.
but on the other hand, ive seen quite a few homophobic people slide into these conversations, so im always hesitant to look at posts discussing this issue. you'll almost always see someone going on a rant on how queers "force their identities on everything nowadays". which sucks, since that just muddles the actual topic. well, thats how i see it at least.
I totally agree with your about Isabella. If we had more information about her love life or something I could maybe accept the headcanon more. However, she was being forced to marry someone she didn't want to. She was free from that after her song. The whole point is that she was living the life Aubela wanted her to lead, not her own life. People are overlooking these messages. (Yes, we do need more LGBTQ+ rep but we can't overlook messages in movie.) I also don't like the Lusia headcanon either. It doesn't sit right at all
As a writer and comic creator, other people's head canons are my worst nightmare (they're ok within reason as in it takes the actual characters personality and the stories metaphors into consideration instead of trying to grasp at straws). It's disrespectful to me as a creator and to the characters. One of my mcs is bi, it's not her personality trait, it's subtle but still obvious and she just acts like a human, that also doesn't mean that every character around her is gay in some way either 🤦♀️. The message of the story has nothing to do with the sexuality or gender presentation of the characters let alone any sort of romance, if it was then that's how it would be tagged in the genre.
can see why you wouldn't but (i hate this phrase and don't really like using but i don't have a better one) ur really just gunna have to deal with it. it's gunna be out there in the online sphere for many people from many different backgrounds and circumstances to interpret and take meaning from and when they come out from that engagement there gunna take things from it that you didn't really want them to take from it and you can't really stop or change that not saying authorial intent doesn't matter or anything but all im saying is that ur just gunna have to keep it moving when it comes to that
@@polarisscale7030 they're just going to have to deal with the fact that I'm the god of the universe that they're making head canons for and they're not right since I get final call.
I’m a writer as well,and this is the kind of stuff that makes me scared to share my writing more openly.I’ve made several lgbt characters but it’s not that important.I don’t make it a big deal or some sort of character trait,it’s simply just there
Can you tell me how it's disrespectful? I genuinely wanna know
I'm not any sort of artist or creator, (tho I do post art online) but I myself would actually like to hear people tell me their headcanons about my own original characters.
To me it's just their imagination anyways, and not canon to my characters unless I decide so
Of course, not everyone likes it and that's fine, no one has to like it
@@mullisaukko423 the issue with head cannons is that they usually go against the character or the story, they strip away what makes the character themselves so they can use the shells for their imagination. At that point, just make your own characters.
Mirabel's colors on her are the colors of her mom, dad, and sisters.
I think headcanoning characters sexuality from any fandom is ok, but you must remember those are HEADCANONS. It's not canon, it's not a part of the movie, it's not a part of the story. It's just fanon, because us fans like to interpret details like that about characters.
So basically kinda what you said-
The problem is when situations become so toxic as people think their life will be threatened if a glint of common sense used, as headcanoners insisted so hard.
@@jalpat2272 Yeah
And it shouldn't be something really connected to the story- like guys it was already explained
Took the words right of my mouth. I have a few headcanons about a few characters from Encanto but I know they aren't canon
The Luisa headcanon disgusts me so much, nothing to do with trans ppl, just that she doesn't have to be trans to be strong and 'masculine'. Thinking that society has atleast gotten over the gender discrimination. I was damn wrong. I myself have been accused for being 'trans' cuz I act like a 'man' when I'm born female (I'm not trans, I'm pangender). Now I don't mind much about headcanons, but this one, in a way, it hurt
i dont like that hc because its a gross strereotyping of trans women. like ofc there are some trans women that are big and muscular and work out, but like from my experience its not the majority. i mean if there was a buff trans female character id love that but saying a character HAS to be trans because of their looks is transphobic and transmisogynistic as hell.
@@SD-zz4ov I really agree with you! I kind of hate how the new generation of LGBT plus people use stereotypes he fought against not all gay guys or trans men are tiny and girly
Just like not all trans women are giant and buff. Like jeeez.
And just a little headcanon I personally want to talk about
People say Dolores has ticks because of the fact that she normally finishes what she says with a little "hm"
It's not a tick, it's actually a really little detail from the Colombian gossiping habits
Us Colombians are really just the kind that gets in everyone's business, and we gossip a lot, that little "hm" it's a habit to express that you don't have more details about the theme
Idk if someone already talked about this and sorry if there's any mistakes in the spelling-
as an irish person i was happy u brought up derry girls! i feel like so many people have no idea the shit the irish went through. i had a bad experience with and online friend that was english just completely ignoring and even making jokes about our history. it made me so sad
I hate how I see so many people say that Camilo has “iDeNtIy IsSuEs” when literally no where in the movie says that or even hints that. Sure you can head canon it, but I’ve seen so many people say that like it’s actual fact and not just a head canon. And of course the whole “he’s gender fluid” is bullshit, he literally just shapeshifts
I also don’t like how people are trying to say that Bruno has Autism or ADHD or OCD just because of the way he acts. Those are literally just superstitions, (throwing salt, knock on wood, not stepping on cracks) I’m not saying that it’s impossible, fine, you can head canon it, but just out of him doing just that? People are just forcing these stereotypes.
And then there’s people who wann believe isbella is lesbian or ace just because she doesn’t like Marianno. Now I’m not saying that that is impossible, but they are literally just saying that just because she doesn’t like the one guy. That doesn’t mean anything. It could just mean she just doesn’t like HIM. Jeez
So many stereotypes among some of the fans it’s horrible, people want to get rid of stereotypes, but then the moment a character does one little thing people are so quick to label them. WHY DO PEOPLE CARE SO MUCH ABOUT LABELING CHARACTERS? It’s so annoying and defeats the purpose of “progression” (still love the movie)
@@yourbeloved9596 You mean the directors?
@@yourbeloved9596 well it's a big chance he has one i mean he has mirrors in his room implying that he does have trouble with identity issues cuz every Madrigal has issues/problems relating to their gifts big example is Dolores it's impossible for Camilo to not have atleast one issue about his gift people think he doesn't have any problems cuz he has less screentime i hope we get to know more about Camilo tho he's a great character
I wholeheartedly Agree to you like just because Isabela doesn't wanna mary that one dude she doesn't have feelings for people just say she's an aro/ace or lesbian or both and Luisa being a strong buff girl meaning she's trans that's just really stereotypical and and downright annoying can a girl reject a man without being called a lesbian aroace? can a woman be buff and strong without being called trans? Can we stop with the fucking labeling with the stereotypes and gender roles it's getting tiring
As someone who’s neurodivergent,I don’t get why people think Bruno is.He’s just superstitious and a tad bit paranoid,but I never saw him as ocd or autistic or adhd.These kind of things sort of add on to the stereotypes
The first part of your comment is canonically incorrect. His official character description describes Camilo as “a teen that doesn't know who he is yet” and the same idea was heavily implied by his voice actor in an interview. That does pretty majorly imply if not right out state he has SOME kind of identity issue, as most teens who can’t shapeshift do anyway. And while I’m not a fan of the nonbinary/genderfluid Headcanons either (I personally see him as pansexual for no other reason than I think it would be neat), I don’t see the harm in it. The genderfluid shapeshifter trope has existed for so long I don’t think we’ll ever be rid of it tbh.
when u said people are headcanonning isabella as a lesbian my first thought was "what?? is it because she didn't wanna marry??? isn't that like a stereotype tho???? :(" i'm not a lesbian so obv i dont know everything, but yeah that didn't sound quite right-- and the ticks thing regarding bruno, those seemed obvious as superstition things to me, but then again i've lived around superstitious ppl. btw i love ur aesthetic!! u get a sub :)
I'm straight but I don't have any interest getting married early my age. I just don't like the idea of getting married early since marriage is a big responsibility and I have a lot of things to do. Also I think the only reason why Isabela dated Mariano is that Abuela introduce him to her and hoping that she would marry him.
yeah when i heard that was a popular headcannon but i didnt get it lolol
I honestly did get queer vibes (not just 'she is a lesbian' tho) from her character while watching the movie for the first time, because her whole thing is discovering who she is outside of what Abuela said she "needed" to be, and not necessarily the marriage bit 🤔 I think this one is just a case where we see our own experiences somewhat reflected, and Isabela just happened to be the one in this movie to fit the bill.
But I have to agree the other headcanons do seem less grounded in the movie and more like wanting a favorite character to be x thing (especially Camilo, who is just a minor character)
On the topic of Mirabel not cutting her abuela out of her life, it is just a more powerful message that she didn't. Forgiving in Colombia is difficult, specialy when it's related to historical and social trauma. We had a lot of violent conflicts in our history and each one was a consecuence of the other. But each one blames the previous group as the root of the problem.
My point is: Mirabel forgiving her grandmother after acknowledging her story and her trauma is the message we needed. To let go. To stop the cycle of violence and start healing. That's the most vital lesson a country like Colombia needs to hear, and from a kids movie from all places!
As a person of the LGBTQ community, not everything has to be about us! I hate when people just forget that characters can be straight. Heck, maybe the character might even support LGBTQ. But a lot of the headcanons change the story completely.