I'm a SpaceX fan but I was impressed by Tim Dodd's interview of Jeff Bezos in the New Glenn factory a couple of weeks ago. Blue Origin had progressed much further with New Glenn than I had realized, and Jeff Bezos had definitely done his homework. I wish them the best of luck with launching successfully and on time, and also landing successfully. Apparently a lot of ULA staff have quit recently, with some of them going to SpaceX and some to Blue Origin. Hopefully the people who went to Blue Origin can keep everything on track and provide the necessary orbital launch operations experience.
I wish more SpaceX fans were like you. Some people take it as a personal attack that someone other than Musk is interested in the space industry. Monopolies are NEVER good, competition drives everyone forward.
@@zoddmark5873 Thanks, I appreciate the comment... I just think that if we're not Flat Earthers and we're interested in space exploration, we should realize we have a lot in common and not get bogged down in petty bickering.
I think Bezos is a slimy turd, because he uses frivolous lawsuits as a continuous weapon, rather than honest competition. So I'm hoping he fails, fails, fails. Because that would be Katma.
The main thing I don't understand is how Blue origin hasn't tested anything at all regarding new glenn.. are they planning to build one and launch it succesfully? that's pretty optimistic.
The workers are excited. Finally they are allowed to work. But at this time frame, the rocket should be on various test stands, to assure a flawless launch. Looks like launch will be WDR. 🚀🏴☠️🎸
New Glenn is now receiving and earning what it should always have had: recognition as a reusable with a 45tn payload that outstrips both SpaceX Falcons 10tn payload capacity (limited by structural and aerodynamic reasons). The only detractors are those naive SpaceX Fanboys; for them, Salesman Elon Musk "knows all" and if HE isn't planning a rocket, the design MUST be wrong. Such children! New Glenn's imminent launch is the beginning of "Hubris" for SpaceX Fanboys.⏳🚀💣👨🚀👎
@@lyricbread That look inside BO was very informative. Timeline is probably too tight but the process is coming together nicely. Next year there will be two but with one having …
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@@davidstevenson9517 I looked at several sites and noticed that Lockheed Martin has a significant investment in Rocket Lab, but not one stated that LM has bought it. If you have a reliable source I'm sure many would be interested.
I just don't get that their first working launch of New Glenn will be an actual mission. Even SpaceX launched a few non payload launches before launching actual missions. I wish them well very much but I a very worried.
2:59 is exactly what will happen. There's no way they can: integrate segments / weld tanks together, cryo test, then test fire, and then launch in the next 6 weeks if it's already taken two decades to get this far. Acting like they will meet this deadline is just a charade so it doesn't appear obvious they have not intentions of meeting the deadlines they have been paid to meet.
"integrate segments / weld tanks together" - That was done a long time ago. "cryo test" - Done already for the second stage, in the test buildings behind the factory. It's pretty much stacking and testfires at the pad that need doing once the booster leaves the factory.
Tim Dodd’s tour was great and Blue Origin is doing great work. I only have one issue. Why in the hell are they putting a payload on a rocket that’s never flown. I believe in what they are doing, the ability of the entire gang there. However, how many people get to orbit on the first launch? Why would you even want to attempt a full blown launch, get through each phase of it and release a payload when everyone knows just how damn difficult it is and how unlikely a first launch will be succesful. I just don’t get it.
To put it more accurately, NASA classified this launch as D which is low priority, but high risk. Clearly, there has been a lot of oversight to qualify Blue Origin's ability to deliver. Still it is their first launch of New Glenn and BO has no experience with reaching orbit or large rockets.
Most rockets launch successfully with a payload on their first launch. Starship is the exception here not the rule. We should expect rockets to work the first time that’s the way it’s always been done
@@mattkingston6157 Have you ever heard of some entrepreneur who comes along and does things completely differently? That's exactly what Space X is doing. They already have a track record with the most reliable rocket flying today in the Falcon 9. It is the only rocket to land and be reused multiple times. Now 2 boosters have past 20 launches. Space X built Dragon for half the cost that Boeing and each flight has been nominal or close to it. Each Starship flight has shown significant improvement. The last test had the booster landing right on target. Starship is the largest and most powerful rocket ever built. And is the only one being developed to be reused multiple times. Why do you compare starship to other rockets when it has nothing in common with them in the ways I described??
I think the lift off of New Glenn will be successful. The landing is a “not so much” but I hope they do. I would like to see both satellites make the trip to Mars. But, I am not sure if BO can make the October launch window… fingers crossed. 😅 wish the satellites had satellite to Star-Link laser communications. Slight delay live streaming from another world would be epic.
dumb question, could starship take the payload? probably technically feasible but not at all practicle. im thinking of an impromptu disposable upper stage. nasa probably wouldnt let it fly
There is basically no chance SpaceX could develop an expendable third stage for Starship from scratch before New Glenn is ready to fly. But if it becomes clear that BlueOrigin isn't going to meet the launch window NASA may be able to move EscaPADE to a Falcon Heavy, as long as the decision happens fairly soon.
@@plainText384 lol starship is already an expendable stage, just needs a bigger door and piping around propellent. i get what you mean. i think starship current performance is actually pretty bad. i didnt realize the payload could fit in falcon heavy. what was the point of newglen then lol
@vevenaneathna New Glenn is massively oversized for EscaPADE. I'm pretty sure they could even launch on an expendable Falcon 9 (maybe even a reusable Falcon 9, I couldn't find any TMI payload stats for that configuration), as the combined weight of both Spacecraft is only about 1.1t. New Glenn was chosen because the mission allows for higher risk, and BlueOrigin gave them a great deal of only $20M for the launch, much cheaper than any Falcon rocket. Generally the advantage of New Glenn over Falcon Heavy is the larger payload fairing and being better optimized for reuse. Falcon Heavy expend the core stage and upper stage, NewGlenn will only expend the upper stage and might even achieve full reuse if economically viable.
@@plainText384 No, that's not how it works. The spacecraft are not high priority and it's expected there will be high risk involved here. Starship isn't ready and it's increasingly clear that there's nothing else to launch it on with sufficient C 3 or 4 capability to send it to Mars late in the launch window. New Glenn's G2 is lighter weight than anyone thought and the revelations on BE-3U having higher ISP and thrust means that the launch can go later than anyone realizes. The ESCAPADE spacecraft themselves were designed around TMI from Earth orbit originally, so they have a lot of delta V to play with. If you run the porkchop analysis, you wind up with a possible launch window that can go as late as 3rd week of November. Anything beyond that is too much, and ESCAPADE will not be able to put themselves into Mars orbit and carry out the mission. So it won't matter and they'll have to wait until 2026.
@Nowhereman10 an expendable Falcon Heavy can outperform a partially reusable New Glenn. If it's not to late for New Glenn to attempt to launch EscaPADE and land on a barge, then a Falcon Heavy could definitely still launch it as well. Payload figures for New Glenn are >13t to GTO (presumably with first stage recovery on a sea-going landing vessel), while the expendable Falcon Heavy can put 26.7t to GTO and 16.8t to TMI. But an expendable Falcon Heavy launch would cost NASA 5-15 times as much as this New Glenn launch and may no be available on this short of a notice so I doubt the launch will be moved away from New Glenn.
It is designed to be reusable. I would expect mounting the engines is complex but not so complex as to limit turn around time. So I do not think it is time constrained. It sounds like the construction and testing of components is complete and it is a matter of assembly and testing the components function as a system. Pressure tests, firing of engines, wet dress rehearsal etc.. I am cautiously optimistic and look forward to it's launch. Blue Origin has received a lot of negative press and I think it is mostly unwarranted. Mostly nonengineers formulating opinions from their couch.
Thumbs down for randomly reusing the same footage from years ago over and over again through the video when there's a ton of new video to use, including the newly released ESCAPADE launch trailer.
SpaceX doesn’t even move at that pace. Honestly it would be best for them to launch a dummy payload to understand their rocket. Given that, ya know, they’ve never been to orbit, never landed a vehicle in this specific way, and have never flown a vehicle this size. Honestly a mars attempt on the first try is insane.
It's not the New Glenn that is going to Mars, but the payload. And the Be-4 engines functioned nominally on the first Vulcan launch. The bigger question is if they can actually get New Glenn ready to fly in 6 weeks never having prepared it for flight before. I expect that most likely they will run past the deadline and another company will launch Escapade.
IF, BO makes this mid October launch, which isn't likely, I'm giving them a 20% chance of a fully successful flight. I hope they make schedule & hope it goes well for them. SpaceX has no competition & if this goes well, it's likely help the entire reusable Rocket ind.
I watched the aTim Dodd interview, and I was blown away at how little attention was given to the cost to manufacture the rocket. Even if it flies perfectly on the first flight and can be reused 100 times, the cost alone is an anchor that will sink it financially. This is not a serious attempt to compete. It is a rich mans hobby.
The rocket is practically built and just needs to be stacked with the engines added and multiple checks of systems, static fire the engines, etc. No problem! 🙄
New Glenn is coming on strong while FAA may ground Space X Falcon 9 to investigate disaster booster landing. Halt to operation could last 18 months while FAA investigates.😊
BO is divided into multiple business units that are effectively their own companies within the company. New Shepherd and New Glenn are 2 of those business units. Lots of former New Shepherd people switched to New Glenn, but no one working New Glenn has any hand in New Shepherd
New Shepard has been a test bed for New Glenn. 1. Learning to deal with cryogenic propellants, especially LH2. 2. Learning separation systems with the capsule and booster. 3. Learning vertical landing and what works with turnaround of a rocket. 4. BE-3U for New Glenn's 2nd stage is based in part with experience with BE-3 PM. In addition, Blue gets revenue from flying payloads, researchers, and tourists.
These things take way too long to make. SpaceX has a superpower often overlooked... they aint just making a big shiny rocket.. they're building the factory, the machine to make the machine. They will be able to make dozens of ships in the time these guys assemble ONE.
BlueOrigin has a factory for building NewGlenn in Exploration Park at Cape Canaveral. If you want to learn more, check out the recently released tour done by The Everyday Astronaut. Multiple New Glenn vehicles are in assembly.
@@plainText384 can they and will they match the pace of SpaceX ? I hope they can do at least 1/4 - 1/3 of what SpaceX will be able to do. Remember, they haven't even flown yet, SX keeps racking up the flights and landings. well, except the last one. But hey, at least the public is paying attention now, they only tune in when something goes boom. Next week will be something else and they won't tune in until the next RUD
@drfranks1158 BlueOrigin doesn't have their own massive satellite Constellation that gives them access to near endless guaranteed payload they don't need to compete for against anyone else. NewGlenn is also a lot bigger than Falcon9, so they can launch a lot of payload with a lot fewer launches. So while I don't expect them to reach Falcon9 levels of launch cadence, I definitely expect NewGlenn to fly more often than Falcon Heavy.
@@plainText384 you smoking better stuff than I am. The factory aint building F9's, they are gonna pump out Starships. I don't think you understand what SpaceX is building. That factory is going to produce Starships... F9 is the thing paying the bills atm and what comes next is going to be spectacular. REUSABLE to ORBIT spacecraft. Let NG at least make landing #1 before you get all weepy and gushy. They have a lot of ground to cover before they even match SX.
@@drfranks1158 spoken like a true Muskateer that obviously knows nothing about what BO has and is building in terms of infrastructure. I don't think you have a clue what BO is building.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the pacing of an aerospace project that cannot afford to fail on its first flight and is not designed to be easily improved.
@@Bob-cb4tq The amount of time it has taken them to manufacture a single specimen, owing to the blatantly visible complexity of the design, is all the data I need, friend. It's probably about as easy to update as SLS. Maybe that's still technically standard in aerospace but I _do_ have a different context I can reference nowadays.
@@Asterra2maybe that’s because their design is working? I mean design something that works first time and then you don’t have to toss 156 raptor engines in the sea so far. The shuttle program had 46 engines across 135 flights for reference. Starship is throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. Rockets are expected to work the first time with a payload
@@mattkingston6157 Indeed, BO did it the traditional way. And that, my bro, is the reason why they don't have the luxury of a design that can be easily improved. And since we're on the topic of traditional vs. iterative design, there are also implications here for ease/speed of manufacture of future vehicles-see SLS for our closest contemporary parallel. Incidentally, given that an entire Starship prototype stack, including engines and tiles, runs SpaceX about $90 million lately, I reckon they aren't personally bothered when an armchair analyst misguidedly decides it's some kind of untenable expense. Conversation closed.
@@Asterra2 it’s absolutely hysterical that you chose Sls of literally any vehicle. This is the one other rocket that I can think of that is taking an iterative approach. It really shows how much you know. This is Sls block one. Then comes block 1b and then block 2. That is literally an iterative development strategy as they design and certify a larger more capable upper stage along with lighter Srbs. Sls is the only other rocket other than starship that is designed this way. You can piss and whine about me being an armchair observer but it falls flat when you’re the same. Truth of the matter is starship is about a month out for flight 5 with 0 payload very likely to be another complete loss or at least certainly won’t be reused. The 90 million figure is meaningless without considering total development costs which at this point has already or is very near to crossing 10 billion dollars. Star base is roughly 3 billion and starship development thus far is estimated at up to 6-8 billion. This is a very expensive boondoggle and they are nowhere near meeting contractual obligations for the Artemis missions
Culturally they seem to have rather too many changes of direction and approach to not have seriously overlooked some issue and the personal animosity of their owner and his affection for legal proceedings doesn't bode well for an exercise that should place engineering at the forefront. Thier flight experience is based on the rocket equivalent of a trip round the lighthouse and they are rushing with undue haste to launching a super tanker. This does not inspire much confidence.
Phew! Jeff Bezos will be relieved to know that he doesn't have YOU backing him! BO only has Boeing, Lockeed Martin, NASA and the US Congress supporting their enterprise so no wonder you are suspicious. Sebastian, I'm looking forward to hearing your opinions on New Glenn 12 months from now; once New Glenn has 20 or so launches behind it.
In three words... *_Of course not!_* If you have to ask, nitwit, the answer is no, and you know it! It's Blue for cryin' out loud. Where have you *_been_* for the last decade?
Launching a sub-orbital flight, a joy ride for six loads of ballast, and of no scientific value. Bet every one of them taking this ride are writing it off on taxes (if they pay any...) Not interested.
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I'm a SpaceX fan but I was impressed by Tim Dodd's interview of Jeff Bezos in the New Glenn factory a couple of weeks ago. Blue Origin had progressed much further with New Glenn than I had realized, and Jeff Bezos had definitely done his homework. I wish them the best of luck with launching successfully and on time, and also landing successfully. Apparently a lot of ULA staff have quit recently, with some of them going to SpaceX and some to Blue Origin. Hopefully the people who went to Blue Origin can keep everything on track and provide the necessary orbital launch operations experience.
0% chance this launch happens in October!!
I wish more SpaceX fans were like you. Some people take it as a personal attack that someone other than Musk is interested in the space industry. Monopolies are NEVER good, competition drives everyone forward.
@@zoddmark5873 Thanks, I appreciate the comment... I just think that if we're not Flat Earthers and we're interested in space exploration, we should realize we have a lot in common and not get bogged down in petty bickering.
I think Bezos is a slimy turd, because he uses frivolous lawsuits as a continuous weapon, rather than honest competition.
So I'm hoping he fails, fails, fails. Because that would be Katma.
The main thing I don't understand is how Blue origin hasn't tested anything at all regarding new glenn.. are they planning to build one and launch it succesfully? that's pretty optimistic.
I’m cautiously optimistic. It would awesome if they could make this happen!
The future of Blue Origin is riding on New Glen.
And the fact that the owner of the company is one of the richest people in human history
Spacex is about to have some company!
The workers are excited. Finally they are allowed to work. But at this time frame, the rocket should be on various test stands, to assure a flawless launch. Looks like launch will be WDR.
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New Glenn gets so much crap, and a lot of it is deserved, but I really do like the rocket itself
New Glenn is now receiving and earning what it should always have had: recognition as a reusable with a 45tn payload that outstrips both SpaceX Falcons 10tn payload capacity (limited by structural and aerodynamic reasons).
The only detractors are those naive SpaceX Fanboys; for them, Salesman Elon Musk "knows all" and if HE isn't planning a rocket, the design MUST be wrong. Such children!
New Glenn's imminent launch is the beginning of "Hubris" for SpaceX Fanboys.⏳🚀💣👨🚀👎
Boy, if this isn't an example of Betteridge's Law, I don't know what is...
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so true
After watching Tim Dodd’s tour of Blue Origin’s facility at the cape, I’m a lot more optimistic than I was a month ago.
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That look inside BO was very informative. Timeline is probably too tight but the process is coming together nicely. Next year there will be two but with one having …
@@Mentaculus42 don’t forget that Tim’s video was filmed quite a while ago. They’re further along than what we saw.
This is pretty ambitious for a test flight, hope it goes well.👍👍
How many years behind everyone else is blue origin when they start first?
Wishing all privateers success. The sooner we congress out of the loop the better.
They are one now what with Fascism/Corporatism PPP; Public Private Partnerships controlling govt.
3:10 built by Rocket Lab!
Ryan, Rocket Lab is now owned by Lockeed Martin; to my disgust, Peter Beck sold out for $300 million in development finance. RL is now American.
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@@davidstevenson9517 I looked at several sites and noticed that Lockheed Martin has a significant investment in Rocket Lab, but not one stated that LM has bought it. If you have a reliable source I'm sure many would be interested.
Would be nice to see Jeff get a Rocket into orbit.
Wow. I hope they do it
I just don't get that their first working launch of New Glenn will be an actual mission. Even SpaceX launched a few non payload launches before launching actual missions. I wish them well very much but I a very worried.
first ula launch was moon peregrine mission 🎉
It might launch in 2026 not before.
I'll merge your aft with my mid module. 0.o
Freaky…. 😳😏
* in sulu * oooh myyy
My heart hopes they make it but my brain says "no way"!
2:59 is exactly what will happen. There's no way they can: integrate segments / weld tanks together, cryo test, then test fire, and then launch in the next 6 weeks if it's already taken two decades to get this far.
Acting like they will meet this deadline is just a charade so it doesn't appear obvious they have not intentions of meeting the deadlines they have been paid to meet.
"integrate segments / weld tanks together" - That was done a long time ago.
"cryo test" - Done already for the second stage, in the test buildings behind the factory.
It's pretty much stacking and testfires at the pad that need doing once the booster leaves the factory.
Well, I'm sure your friends and family say your one of the most optimistic people they know!
"weld tanks together" acting like you know anything about launching a rocket is the only charade here.
Tim Dodd’s tour was great and Blue Origin is doing great work. I only have one issue. Why in the hell are they putting a payload on a rocket that’s never flown. I believe in what they are doing, the ability of the entire gang there. However, how many people get to orbit on the first launch? Why would you even want to attempt a full blown launch, get through each phase of it and release a payload when everyone knows just how damn difficult it is and how unlikely a first launch will be succesful. I just don’t get it.
The mission is already expected to likely fail, so that is already calculated and they have not put a load is extremely important.
To put it more accurately, NASA classified this launch as D which is low priority, but high risk. Clearly, there has been a lot of oversight to qualify Blue Origin's ability to deliver. Still it is their first launch of New Glenn and BO has no experience with reaching orbit or large rockets.
Most rockets launch successfully with a payload on their first launch. Starship is the exception here not the rule. We should expect rockets to work the first time that’s the way it’s always been done
@@mattkingston6157 Have you ever heard of some entrepreneur who comes along and does things completely differently? That's exactly what Space X is doing. They already have a track record with the most reliable rocket flying today in the Falcon 9.
It is the only rocket to land and be reused multiple times. Now 2 boosters have past 20 launches.
Space X built Dragon for half the cost that Boeing and each flight has been nominal or close to it.
Each Starship flight has shown significant improvement. The last test had the booster landing right on target.
Starship is the largest and most powerful rocket ever built. And is the only one being developed to be reused multiple times. Why do you compare starship to other rockets when it has nothing in common with them in the ways I described??
@@mattkingston6157Not from manufacturers that have never reached orbit.
Escapade better look for another ride.
I think the lift off of New Glenn will be successful. The landing is a “not so much” but I hope they do. I would like to see both satellites make the trip to Mars. But, I am not sure if BO can make the October launch window… fingers crossed. 😅 wish the satellites had satellite to Star-Link laser communications. Slight delay live streaming from another world would be epic.
dumb question, could starship take the payload? probably technically feasible but not at all practicle. im thinking of an impromptu disposable upper stage. nasa probably wouldnt let it fly
There is basically no chance SpaceX could develop an expendable third stage for Starship from scratch before New Glenn is ready to fly. But if it becomes clear that BlueOrigin isn't going to meet the launch window NASA may be able to move EscaPADE to a Falcon Heavy, as long as the decision happens fairly soon.
@@plainText384 lol starship is already an expendable stage, just needs a bigger door and piping around propellent. i get what you mean. i think starship current performance is actually pretty bad. i didnt realize the payload could fit in falcon heavy. what was the point of newglen then lol
@vevenaneathna New Glenn is massively oversized for EscaPADE. I'm pretty sure they could even launch on an expendable Falcon 9 (maybe even a reusable Falcon 9, I couldn't find any TMI payload stats for that configuration), as the combined weight of both Spacecraft is only about 1.1t. New Glenn was chosen because the mission allows for higher risk, and BlueOrigin gave them a great deal of only $20M for the launch, much cheaper than any Falcon rocket.
Generally the advantage of New Glenn over Falcon Heavy is the larger payload fairing and being better optimized for reuse. Falcon Heavy expend the core stage and upper stage, NewGlenn will only expend the upper stage and might even achieve full reuse if economically viable.
@@plainText384 No, that's not how it works. The spacecraft are not high priority and it's expected there will be high risk involved here. Starship isn't ready and it's increasingly clear that there's nothing else to launch it on with sufficient C 3 or 4 capability to send it to Mars late in the launch window.
New Glenn's G2 is lighter weight than anyone thought and the revelations on BE-3U having higher ISP and thrust means that the launch can go later than anyone realizes. The ESCAPADE spacecraft themselves were designed around TMI from Earth orbit originally, so they have a lot of delta V to play with. If you run the porkchop analysis, you wind up with a possible launch window that can go as late as 3rd week of November.
Anything beyond that is too much, and ESCAPADE will not be able to put themselves into Mars orbit and carry out the mission. So it won't matter and they'll have to wait until 2026.
@Nowhereman10 an expendable Falcon Heavy can outperform a partially reusable New Glenn. If it's not to late for New Glenn to attempt to launch EscaPADE and land on a barge, then a Falcon Heavy could definitely still launch it as well. Payload figures for New Glenn are >13t to GTO (presumably with first stage recovery on a sea-going landing vessel), while the expendable Falcon Heavy can put 26.7t to GTO and 16.8t to TMI. But an expendable Falcon Heavy launch would cost NASA 5-15 times as much as this New Glenn launch and may no be available on this short of a notice so I doubt the launch will be moved away from New Glenn.
It is designed to be reusable. I would expect mounting the engines is complex but not so complex as to limit turn around time. So I do not think it is time constrained. It sounds like the construction and testing of components is complete and it is a matter of assembly and testing the components function as a system. Pressure tests, firing of engines, wet dress rehearsal etc.. I am cautiously optimistic and look forward to it's launch. Blue Origin has received a lot of negative press and I think it is mostly unwarranted. Mostly nonengineers formulating opinions from their couch.
I’m really looking forward to this launch! I’m a tooling engineer there. It’s a great company to work for.
Thumbs down for randomly reusing the same footage from years ago over and over again through the video when there's a ton of new video to use, including the newly released ESCAPADE launch trailer.
SpaceX doesn’t even move at that pace. Honestly it would be best for them to launch a dummy payload to understand their rocket. Given that, ya know, they’ve never been to orbit, never landed a vehicle in this specific way, and have never flown a vehicle this size. Honestly a mars attempt on the first try is insane.
It's not the New Glenn that is going to Mars, but the payload. And the Be-4 engines functioned nominally on the first Vulcan launch. The bigger question is if they can actually get New Glenn ready to fly in 6 weeks never having prepared it for flight before. I expect that most likely they will run past the deadline and another company will launch Escapade.
IF, BO makes this mid October launch, which isn't likely, I'm giving them a 20% chance of a fully successful flight. I hope they make schedule & hope it goes well for them. SpaceX has no competition & if this goes well, it's likely help the entire reusable Rocket ind.
Achieving all that in 60 days for the slowest moving company in aerospace history is quite an ask
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I watched the aTim Dodd interview, and I was blown away at how little attention was given to the cost to manufacture the rocket.
Even if it flies perfectly on the first flight and can be reused 100 times, the cost alone is an anchor that will sink it financially. This is not a serious attempt to compete. It is a rich mans hobby.
I'm yet to be convinced.
They got 40 days to build a rocket and have it 100% operational fueled and on the pad with FAA clearence? I don't know...
The rocket is practically built and just needs to be stacked with the engines added and multiple checks of systems, static fire the engines, etc. No problem! 🙄
Not a chance.
New Glenn is coming on strong while FAA may ground Space X Falcon 9 to investigate disaster booster landing. Halt to operation could last 18 months while FAA investigates.😊
18 months? Of course not! It will likely be a couple of weeks to a month at most.
Apparently F9 aren't grounded anymore, SpaceX flew another starlink mission a couple of hours ago.
@@w0ttheh3ll Yeah. I don't know what @Agent77X got his/her hunch from.
I highly doubt it ! BO is still fiddling around with new shepherd thrill rides !
BO is divided into multiple business units that are effectively their own companies within the company. New Shepherd and New Glenn are 2 of those business units. Lots of former New Shepherd people switched to New Glenn, but no one working New Glenn has any hand in New Shepherd
New Shepard has been a test bed for New Glenn.
1. Learning to deal with cryogenic propellants, especially LH2.
2. Learning separation systems with the capsule and booster.
3. Learning vertical landing and what works with turnaround of a rocket.
4. BE-3U for New Glenn's 2nd stage is based in part with experience with BE-3 PM.
In addition, Blue gets revenue from flying payloads, researchers, and tourists.
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Blue Origin needs New Glen to launch on time.
They have yet to put a rocket into orbit.
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@@ggApollo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Blue Origin is a joke
@@badtrekee4348Bezos is the joke.
@@ggApollo no
The expensive amusement park ride, New Shepherd, cannot sustain Blue Origin
It's not intended to, but if New Glenn can perform as hoped then it can make up a lot of the shortfall.
Lol...A Mars attempt & they've never put a vehicle in orbit...what could possibly go wrong 😛
These things take way too long to make. SpaceX has a superpower often overlooked... they aint just making a big shiny rocket.. they're building the factory, the machine to make the machine. They will be able to make dozens of ships in the time these guys assemble ONE.
BlueOrigin has a factory for building NewGlenn in Exploration Park at Cape Canaveral. If you want to learn more, check out the recently released tour done by The Everyday Astronaut. Multiple New Glenn vehicles are in assembly.
@@plainText384 can they and will they match the pace of SpaceX ? I hope they can do at least 1/4 - 1/3 of what SpaceX will be able to do. Remember, they haven't even flown yet, SX keeps racking up the flights and landings. well, except the last one. But hey, at least the public is paying attention now, they only tune in when something goes boom. Next week will be something else and they won't tune in until the next RUD
@drfranks1158 BlueOrigin doesn't have their own massive satellite Constellation that gives them access to near endless guaranteed payload they don't need to compete for against anyone else. NewGlenn is also a lot bigger than Falcon9, so they can launch a lot of payload with a lot fewer launches. So while I don't expect them to reach Falcon9 levels of launch cadence, I definitely expect NewGlenn to fly more often than Falcon Heavy.
@@plainText384 you smoking better stuff than I am.
The factory aint building F9's, they are gonna pump out Starships. I don't think you understand what SpaceX is building. That factory is going to produce Starships... F9 is the thing paying the bills atm and what comes next is going to be spectacular.
REUSABLE to ORBIT spacecraft. Let NG at least make landing #1 before you get all weepy and gushy. They have a lot of ground to cover before they even match SX.
@@drfranks1158 spoken like a true Muskateer that obviously knows nothing about what BO has and is building in terms of infrastructure. I don't think you have a clue what BO is building.
I hope Jeff Bezos is ready to cut a check for 45 tons of aerospace grade concrete.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the pacing of an aerospace project that cannot afford to fail on its first flight and is not designed to be easily improved.
"not designed to be easily improved" what sourced information do you have that would suggest that?
@@Bob-cb4tq The amount of time it has taken them to manufacture a single specimen, owing to the blatantly visible complexity of the design, is all the data I need, friend. It's probably about as easy to update as SLS. Maybe that's still technically standard in aerospace but I _do_ have a different context I can reference nowadays.
@@Asterra2maybe that’s because their design is working? I mean design something that works first time and then you don’t have to toss 156 raptor engines in the sea so far. The shuttle program had 46 engines across 135 flights for reference. Starship is throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. Rockets are expected to work the first time with a payload
@@mattkingston6157 Indeed, BO did it the traditional way. And that, my bro, is the reason why they don't have the luxury of a design that can be easily improved. And since we're on the topic of traditional vs. iterative design, there are also implications here for ease/speed of manufacture of future vehicles-see SLS for our closest contemporary parallel. Incidentally, given that an entire Starship prototype stack, including engines and tiles, runs SpaceX about $90 million lately, I reckon they aren't personally bothered when an armchair analyst misguidedly decides it's some kind of untenable expense. Conversation closed.
@@Asterra2 it’s absolutely hysterical that you chose Sls of literally any vehicle. This is the one other rocket that I can think of that is taking an iterative approach. It really shows how much you know. This is Sls block one. Then comes block 1b and then block 2. That is literally an iterative development strategy as they design and certify a larger more capable upper stage along with lighter Srbs. Sls is the only other rocket other than starship that is designed this way. You can piss and whine about me being an armchair observer but it falls flat when you’re the same. Truth of the matter is starship is about a month out for flight 5 with 0 payload very likely to be another complete loss or at least certainly won’t be reused. The 90 million figure is meaningless without considering total development costs which at this point has already or is very near to crossing 10 billion dollars. Star base is roughly 3 billion and starship development thus far is estimated at up to 6-8 billion. This is a very expensive boondoggle and they are nowhere near meeting contractual obligations for the Artemis missions
Culturally they seem to have rather too many changes of direction and approach to not have seriously overlooked some issue and the personal animosity of their owner and his affection for legal proceedings doesn't bode well for an exercise that should place engineering at the forefront. Thier flight experience is based on the rocket equivalent of a trip round the lighthouse and they are rushing with undue haste to launching a super tanker. This does not inspire much confidence.
Does it matter???🤣🤣🤣
BO is just kind of suspicious. I'm not yet willing to take anything they say seriously at this time.
Phew! Jeff Bezos will be relieved to know that he doesn't have YOU backing him! BO only has Boeing, Lockeed Martin, NASA and the US Congress supporting their enterprise so no wonder you are suspicious.
Sebastian, I'm looking forward to hearing your opinions on New Glenn 12 months from now; once New Glenn has 20 or so launches behind it.
No. No it wont.
Blue origin is not gonna make it. They are way to casual
Dream on. Well I guess they are folowing Boeing, so how bad can it be?
In three words... *_Of course not!_*
If you have to ask, nitwit, the answer is no, and you know it!
It's Blue for cryin' out loud. Where have you *_been_* for the last decade?
LOL, and now for your next joke....
Launching a sub-orbital flight, a joy ride for six loads of ballast, and of no scientific value.
Bet every one of them taking this ride are writing it off on taxes (if they pay any...)
Not interested.
Not a chance
Of course there is a chance, but how much is harder to quantify since BO has no track record with large rockets. We'll see soon enough.