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  • Опубликовано: 31 янв 2025

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  • @jcgrif66
    @jcgrif66 5 месяцев назад +8

    This is everything I have always wanted to know about rafts, and didn’t know who to ask. Thank you so much for this video. It’s a fantastic tutorial!!!!!

  • @craigiedema1707
    @craigiedema1707 5 месяцев назад +2

    These videos are excellent. I look at 3D printed stuff with my untrained eyes and it's good see these design tips. It a combination of what you can see intuitively, combined with practical experience.

  • @GrayeWilliams
    @GrayeWilliams 5 месяцев назад +1

    My dude, you consistently arrive with great content on that seems perfectly synced with my journey into 3D printing as a career.
    When you start looking to expand your farm operation into Canada I want to be there to make it happen.

  • @BrentLeVasseur
    @BrentLeVasseur 5 месяцев назад +3

    Great tips! Love your methodology of not relying on autogen.

  • @mollytt
    @mollytt 5 месяцев назад +1

    “Fondling settings for days” will forever be in my mind 😂
    Thank you for this video! I’m not that advanced yet but I saved it. I really appreciate that you put out great content for experienced makers.

    • @slant3d
      @slant3d  5 месяцев назад

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @tazanteflight8670
    @tazanteflight8670 5 месяцев назад +66

    IMO A raft is never the best solution, to whatever problem you are trying to solve. Rafts waste material, and (comparatively) ruin the underside of the print.

    • @alecampos1491
      @alecampos1491 5 месяцев назад +13

      I ALMOST agree with you
      I believe that if you need raft in most of your PRINTS, then what you really have is an adhesion problem, more related to your z offset or dirty bed or the bed itself.
      BUT, I stumble across some models I've designed which best printing orientation was on the side of the model which had 1mm 2 contact points, brims and raft are a life saver

    • @fredshorrock377
      @fredshorrock377 5 месяцев назад +2

      Raft is good for lithophane pains but that's about it

    • @Splarkszter
      @Splarkszter 5 месяцев назад +2

      I have always solved warp and adhesion issues with a simple brim
      And I separate the brim 0.3mm and peals off very easily while still helping the print.
      Skirts are good to avoid the first bits of tiny lines of the main print of comming off

    • @Theprofessor1212
      @Theprofessor1212 5 месяцев назад +3

      You clearly do not print pure PA thats why you think so. For Some PA alloys we use 10mm solid PETG raft with zero gap to stop them from warping. This is on top of 85deg heating chamber and 6mm garolite build plate.

    • @Rayphel07
      @Rayphel07 5 месяцев назад +1

      I found rafts to be useful on 3d printers that have first-layer issues. My ender 3's x-beam would sag because it wasn't supported from both sides. This caused the first few millimeters of the print to be squished and massively overextruded. A raft solved the issue.
      Very specific problem which I ended up solving by upgrading my z-axis, but still a good use of rafts.

  • @KarlOnSea
    @KarlOnSea 5 месяцев назад +3

    Excellent video - the b-roll material is really good at showing exactly what you're talking about. Without it it'd have been totally baffled!

  • @ManuGaldeanoRuiz
    @ManuGaldeanoRuiz 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great video! I think this is a good approach on having the most control over the process.The thing is that warping affects not only the first layers, but every single one of them. While printing ABS, or PA, or PC you can suffer the consequences of thermal stress in various ways: warping, cracking or layer fragility. Raft only helps to maintain the geometry sticked to the plate, but it you don't warm you chamber or environment where you are printing, the stresses are going to make the print fail at other height. I print mostly with PA, gears and mechanical components, with at least 60C in the chamber. If the part edges wants to curl , and you put a (designed or not) raft to prevent it, the part will find a spot where the adhesion between layers is low, and break it. WITH ABS OR HIGHER Tg FILAMENTS, YOU NEED HEATED CHAMBER. It's just physics. Great video anyway!

  • @randomviewer896
    @randomviewer896 5 месяцев назад

    This is awesome! I never thought about designing a custom raft. If a part absolutely needed one to work I'd either change the part or CAD in my own mouse ears/brim. I'll definitely be using these tips next time I need something like this.

  • @jeffreyepiscopo
    @jeffreyepiscopo 5 месяцев назад +22

    I haven’t used a raft in like 10 years

    • @eeramzi
      @eeramzi 5 месяцев назад +3

      That’s because you have a heated bed and/or heated chamber. Printing farms usually don’t use them for many reasons one of them is too much wasted power.

    • @lazyman1011
      @lazyman1011 5 месяцев назад

      That would be a nice info in the video. I never just one and always wonder when to use them.

    • @Rampamrampapapapam
      @Rampamrampapapapam 5 месяцев назад +2

      Try to print 650x480mm box on warm bed (warm, not hot). Small rafts on corners, plus some waffle-like structures are really appreciated. My 800x600 printer (no, not SVGA) consumes about 150W max instead of 1kW thanks to rafts designed into a model, plus very heavy polymer-based glue. Slant shows few other ideas that I want to try. Plus I don't need to fight thermal deformation problems with large bed.

  • @JW-lp8oz
    @JW-lp8oz 5 месяцев назад


    I love this channel.
    It tells me what I need to know. That I didn't know i was lacking. 😂

  • @KimHarderFog
    @KimHarderFog 5 месяцев назад +1

    Please do a follow-up video about rafts, as you mentioned in this video - It is still quite mysterious

  • @dalem7742
    @dalem7742 5 месяцев назад +1

    great video! I had a print failure when scaling down a model that had a built in raft so I cut it off in the slicer and generated a new one so I guess that is one minor inconvenience of modeled rafts

  • @agrariancraftsleather
    @agrariancraftsleather 5 месяцев назад

    I like this idea. I have several older printers without heated beds that would likely benefit from a modeled raft compared to the ones currently generated.

  • @jennitro
    @jennitro 5 месяцев назад

    Lot to think about with this. I've been 3D printing for about 3 years now and designing objects for most of that.
    Bed adhesion/warping is the one thing I don't feel I 100% have a handle on. I like the idea of taking some of that out of the hands of the slicer.

  • @ml.2770
    @ml.2770 5 месяцев назад

    This will come in super handy for my cube farm.

  • @rbrianlindahl5499
    @rbrianlindahl5499 5 месяцев назад

    Will have to keep these things in mind. I've never had a raft work right, it always sticks so badly to the part that the part is basically ruined. These techniques sound like they'll do a much better job.

  • @Tome4kkkk
    @Tome4kkkk 5 месяцев назад

    How the hell your vids have so few views! Thank you!

  • @Rampamrampapapapam
    @Rampamrampapapapam 5 месяцев назад

    Very usable tips even if you don't have adhesion problems. Sometimes you just MUST print some "balcony". Let'sclient wants a fancy case for their PCB and printing it 45 degrees to bed is not accepted.

  • @B0A2
    @B0A2 5 месяцев назад +1

    I don’t think I’ve ever used a raft. Great video but would love more explanations as to why I need a raft if I have a newer printer

  • @woodwaker1
    @woodwaker1 5 месяцев назад +1

    Some good ideas, Like others have said, I rarely use them, but good to know.

  • @oic165
    @oic165 4 месяца назад

    So I have a question about those "struts" you recommend adding to link the part to the raft, how far apart should/could they be spaced? What logic could I use to determine that?

  • @jdl3408
    @jdl3408 5 месяцев назад

    If you’re familiar with Gridfinity, I’d love to see your thoughts on preventing long bins from shrinking and pulling up from the bed.

  • @ionymous6733
    @ionymous6733 5 месяцев назад +7

    I am confused because my interpretation is that the cube is floating above the raft. In the case of the "1mm struts", those structs are obvious your support, but is infill used for the rest? There isn't just a gap is there? Same with the circle idea under the raft. Even a tiny gap is still a gap, and the printer would be printing in air, right? What am I not getting?

    • @samchill3707
      @samchill3707 5 месяцев назад +2

      I have the exact same question!

    • @Ralnaksus
      @Ralnaksus 5 месяцев назад

      search "Improve Your Prints With Entirely Custom Supports" and watch it. Video is 8 years old but there is a good explanation about your question and still relevant

    • @Ralnaksus
      @Ralnaksus 5 месяцев назад

      @@samchill3707 search "Improve Your Prints With Entirely Custom Supports" and watch it. Video is 8 years old but there is a good explanation about your question and still relevant

    • @ionparticle
      @ionparticle 5 месяцев назад +2

      It is a tiny gap. The layer above will still print and stick to the raft, but less well due to the gap. This assists in removal of the prints. Slicers automatically generate this kind of interface layer with supports and such, so you have to model them in if you're doing this manually.

    • @keoghanwhimsically2268
      @keoghanwhimsically2268 5 месяцев назад +6

      You have to remember that the extruder is laying round lines based on your nozzle diameter, so while it’s an air gap in the model, if you’re using a 0.4mm nozzle, that will allow 0.2mm descent where there enough of a touch to the raft surface but not enough for the larger part to be actually “floating on air”. But yes, you’re not getting perfectly smooth bottoms, but your bottoms should be no worse than other surfaces. However, since those are micro-touch points, struts will help in keeping your actual part in place so it doesn’t peel off or warp mid-print. (If you’ve ever done print in place designs, this is why you usually have to design in at least half the nozzle diameter distance between the parts.)
      As far as the concave-half-circle-surfaced rafts, they take advantage of the printer’s ability to bridge. As long as the distances are not too large (depending on printer’s cooling capability and filament), the printer can lay nearly perfect line segments in the air as long it has support points on both sides of the segment. The line is cooled as it’s extruded to harden enough that it doesn’t sag over its unsupported section.

  • @zk_6312
    @zk_6312 5 месяцев назад

    I don't use rafts anymore since I moved from PLA to PETG. I always had trouble removing them especially with PETG. I now use tabs or mouse ears as they are sometimes called.

  • @badabimbadabum4010
    @badabimbadabum4010 5 месяцев назад +2

    I watch your channel almost 4-5 months and this is the first useful video for me finally, thanks a lot this is really helpful tricks here

  • @LessThanPro
    @LessThanPro 5 месяцев назад +2

    What CAD software are you using, and/or what do you recommend?

  • @MakeKasprzak
    @MakeKasprzak 5 месяцев назад

    This is excellent. Now I want slicers to include "fancy rafts". 😉

  • @Sparkynutz81
    @Sparkynutz81 5 месяцев назад

    I have a large part with one large top surface at a 15 degree angle from the large lower surface. The top surface finish is critical so I print that horizontal to the build plate.
    Unfortunately that leaves a very large angled area requiring support. I tried forever tryingbto get settings reasonably close and best settings I came up with was similar to the last part of the video. The very top layer of support was jmpossible to remove from the part but lower portion removed cleanly. I hit the rough surface with some 40 grit sandpaper and covered the bottom with felt. Good enough fir my application but After seeing this video I want to try the part again and make the support myself to see if that would still work at a 15 degree angle.

  • @JerrieLenore
    @JerrieLenore 5 месяцев назад +1

    ... don't end up fondling settings ...
    🤣 so succinctly true.

  • @Numenor7
    @Numenor7 5 месяцев назад

    I always wondered if you could reuse a raft instead of reprinting it every time. The purpose of the raft is to improve adhesion and compensate for unlevelness (and all the other things you mentioned). Since it's already doing those things, and adhered to the bed, why can't you just pull the part off leaving the raft in place and print subsequent parts on top of it?

  • @StriK3FoRC3OwO
    @StriK3FoRC3OwO 5 месяцев назад +9

    In my seven years of 3D printing, I've never needed to use a raft. I don't understand why anyone would want to waste material and end up with a poor first layer finish.

    • @jamiemacdonald436
      @jamiemacdonald436 5 месяцев назад

      I never use them either. To your second point though, the video literally (and quite verbosely) explains all of the reasons someone may want to.

  • @bitsurfer0101
    @bitsurfer0101 5 месяцев назад

    Is the strut connected to the raft? or do you leave a gap?

  • @jackcoats4146
    @jackcoats4146 5 месяцев назад

    I would like to see a better raft design, and especially, how to design for auto-ejection!

  • @SwissplWatches
    @SwissplWatches 5 месяцев назад

    awesome! thank you

  • @GarranGossage
    @GarranGossage 5 месяцев назад

    Great video, but the lighting in your studio is causing a flickering in the video. I'm not sure if it is due to frame rate, compression, or what. I am watching at 1080p BTW.

  • @johnpekkala6941
    @johnpekkala6941 5 месяцев назад

    One function I sooooo wish for but have not found in the slicers Im using (Cura mostly and a little bit of Prusaslicer) is to print the larger infill areas first BEFORE the walls wich would basically serve as a raft. As it is now I can only print the walls first and if there are small details like text (im making signs and coasters) it will then begin with those really small details and everything just comes loose and becomes a tangled mess for me because there is nothing for those small amounts of material to stick to and so as the machine changes direction all the time after just a few mm of travel it then just rips it loose. If i could print the larger areas of the part first the small details would then have something to stick to. Is there any slicer where this is implemented? I heard before somewhere Orca had an Infill first option. Is that so?

  • @TheGlitterMan
    @TheGlitterMan 9 дней назад

    So how to implement this into a model that you pick up online? this is the real question here. Could you add this design into 3mf or stl file.

  • @tk123724
    @tk123724 5 месяцев назад +1

    I simply use Nano Polymer Adhesive, It uses magical. I never had to use rafts for anything since then. Part simply pops when cooled down.

  • @lazyman1011
    @lazyman1011 5 месяцев назад

    Never needed a raft!

  • @TS_Mind_Swept
    @TS_Mind_Swept 5 месяцев назад

    Isn't 0.2 typically one layer thick and not 0.5? 🤔 Interesting concepts though, will keep them in mind if I ever have the need in the future (I've already used the sprue idea in several designs and it usually works pretty well)

  • @powersprouter
    @powersprouter 5 месяцев назад +5

    I never use rafts, just an occasional brim. Should I be?

    • @linkeroniw
      @linkeroniw 5 месяцев назад +3

      if you don't need to you probably shouldn't

    • @Kah-Rah-Tay
      @Kah-Rah-Tay 5 месяцев назад +1

      Exactly rafts aren't needed... unless you need them.
      I never need them and print very tight tolerances for linear rails etc.
      For the most part Rafts are outdated. Like a handicap for non tuned machines.
      The square should not need brimming. Mouse ears for Abs. Compensate elephant foot and adjust setting like first layer temp and speed. Has been excellent for me

  • @ebaziuk
    @ebaziuk 5 месяцев назад +2

    Hilbert Curve!

    • @riba2233
      @riba2233 5 месяцев назад +1

      nice but takes ages :)

  • @jeremiahbullfrog9288
    @jeremiahbullfrog9288 5 месяцев назад +3

    This is great, one stumbling point has always been raft quality from slicer to slicer and printer to printer. What's the best way to ensure compatibility from CAD to delivered part? For instance layer height, "squish" factor, material properties (PLA to nylon to polypropylene to carbon fiber to wood etc) aren't captured in the CAD model. Would like a practial start-to-finish demonstration that best leverages your print farm. And where do UV resin technologies fit in this mix?

  • @frankbauerful
    @frankbauerful 5 месяцев назад

    Do you have a metronome in the background? I'm listening to this video with headphones and it drives me crazy.

  • @3rdpig
    @3rdpig 5 месяцев назад

    Some very interesting ideas, but how well will they work at a print farm with auto eject? Seems to me like no matter what it's going to cause a lot of human interaction, first to make sure the raft doesn't stay on the bed after ejection and then to manually remove the rafts from the parts later and sort them for post processing or recycling. That seems like the antithesis of automation to me, but I don't have experience in that so I could be way off base here.
    This could be good for designing a part for your own use, but IMO it's a boneheaded move for a hobbyist designer who wants to put his designs on a repository for anyone to buy, download and print. Unless they upload two, one with and one without the raft, much like designers for resin printing do with supported and non supported models.

  • @peterleblanc661
    @peterleblanc661 5 месяцев назад

    These are all good tips but miss one of the primary functions of a raft: Compensating for an uneven build plate. On a good raft the first layer is deliberately over extruded fat lines so that they can fill down into valleys but it is spaced out so they don't squish together in places where the layer is thinner and push plastic upwards like and typical over extruded first layer. This ends up with the raft being a nice flat surface to print your part on even if the build plate is not flat. Designed rafts do not help with this problem at all. It has to be done as a gcode in the slicer. Luckily it's not a common problem to deal with anymore since most printers have nice flat beds and decent leveling, but it is still something we deal with on our very large format printer printing on a piece of plywood as a buildplate.

  • @brady_bauer2518
    @brady_bauer2518 5 месяцев назад

    Has your company ever made parts with embedded components?

  • @JW-lp8oz
    @JW-lp8oz 5 месяцев назад

    Almost every designer I've commented on, that their design could do with some better bed adhesion built-in, becomes defensive, and tells me off with a long lift of what I should be doing and that MY PROCESS is wrong, and their design is flawless. Usually parts that have a height-to-bed-contact-area ratio that's really poor. 🤦‍♂️

    • @JW-lp8oz
      @JW-lp8oz 5 месяцев назад

      I've started publishing improvements on print profiles as a passive aggressive response to these people 😂

  • @dtibor5903
    @dtibor5903 5 месяцев назад

    I like how you throw insults at common slicers.

  • @sygad1
    @sygad1 5 месяцев назад

    this video was like the matrix where they download an entire lifetime of knowledge......."I know rafts"

  • @georgestone8099
    @georgestone8099 5 месяцев назад

    I have never understood the point of rafts. I've never used them, but only been printing about 3 years.

  • @StasonKalbason
    @StasonKalbason 5 месяцев назад

    Молодцом!

  • @JuliusHuijnk
    @JuliusHuijnk 5 месяцев назад

    Two minutes in, still no mention of what a raft is, why someone would want to use it. I mean, I see 'the benefits' slide. But what is a raft? Are you talking about just the first layer of the print? A first layer that is a bed for the rest of the print? for what kind of prints would I need one?
    Update: watched the rest. I sort of understand how you suggest to design a raft. But still have no idea why I would want to use it on a print.
    - "Protect first layer". From what? the print bed? Maybe this has to do with that in a factory setting you don't want to wait for the bed to cool down?
    - "Compensate unlevel bed". I don't think I have that probem, but would that help? Would it not just offeset the unlevelness a couple of layers?
    - "Maintain tolerances". Between what? How would that raft help?
    - "Improve bed adhesion". So as a substitute to a brim or those mouse ear things?
    I guess I'll have to do some googling now to learn what a 'raft' is, so you then did make me learn something.
    I like these series of feedback, with feedback like this (explain the 'why' before the 'how') I hope you can make them even better.

    • @phasesecuritytechnology6573
      @phasesecuritytechnology6573 5 месяцев назад

      Rafts were invented before mouse ears, brims etc. I have only ever needed it once out of thousands of prints. It was a poorly made stl of godzilla and the bottom surface was not level and flat. The raft solves that. Think of it as a baseplate for an ornament, trophy or figurine.

    • @JuliusHuijnk
      @JuliusHuijnk 5 месяцев назад

      @@phasesecuritytechnology6573 Thanks.

  • @ernie5229
    @ernie5229 5 месяцев назад

    Why don't slicers do these things? If they are simple enough for consumers to do, surely programmers and engineers could add them to the slicers, right?

  • @broderp
    @broderp 5 месяцев назад +7

    Sounds like someone is tired of failed prints with his business and is trying to get the word out that his customers need to do this before sending him more files. If I send someone my file to print then I expect them to print it, and they take the time to make it print properly.

    • @phasesecuritytechnology6573
      @phasesecuritytechnology6573 5 месяцев назад +5

      Dumb. The more time they have to put into fixing your design the more they will charge you. It behooves you to do it yourself. He is providing a free tutorial service here for his own customers.

  • @catdisc5304
    @catdisc5304 5 месяцев назад +2

    People are still using Rafts in 2024?

    • @johnferrari6554
      @johnferrari6554 5 месяцев назад

      Are people breathing in 2024?... WTF?... Depends if ya need it I guess. when all else fails, BOOM! rafts come to the rescue