I think it makes sense if Michael was super weak. Which, if I recall correctly, he was really weak in the sewer. Could barely kill the one guy Corey brought to him. But then once he did kill him it looked like he was getting rejuvenated. So I was like ok, killing makes him more powerful. But then he’s seemingly weak again when Corey takes the mask. I thought it would’ve been ok if they made it clear that he was still weakened. But it wasn’t clear so it was confusing and made it seem like Michael got bitched.
This movie was a DISGRACE to the entire legacy of this franchise. I’m tired of this timeline having the praise it does, because it’s doing things that have been done. The “possession” angle = the thorn cult/Jamie Lloyd at the end of Halloween 4, the aggressive over the top kills = Rob zombie, etc. I’m disappointed in the fans. They did this for a paycheck, nothing more. 🤢🤢🤢
This movie's biggest issue wasn't how quick the fight was, and how quickly Michael was killed... which is true... The biggest issue was there was NO BUILD UP to the fight... She had no idea Michael was around... He was just part of her past... Basically, no talk about Michael... And suddenly she was in the middle of a fight with him... And then the fight is over and he's dead... WTF
@@TheShape_1031 As part of her past... in her book mostly... No, "we have to deal with Michael", "What are we gonna do about Michael", "We have to stop Michael"... ""We have to kill Michael".. and especially "Michael is back." NOTHING!!! She had no idea Michael was back... We don't even know if when the fight first started if she thought it was still Cory...
One of my issues is how they seemed to move on and TRAPLESS house and all flowers Michael killed your daughter 4 years ago. You were traumatized by events from 78 but 4 years ago your daughter gets killed and they don’t find Michael body, eh time to move on normally. Uh. LAURIE, ALLYSON AND THE COP ((who was pointless to even build up and keep around cause he was forgotten in this one and just seemed to be a reason for for the flashback scene from kills and that’s it I guess.., that storyline was forgotten here ). Anyway these 3 SHOULD BE HUNTING MICHAELS BODY TIL THE END OF THERE DAYS. Not move on with Michael not even found This movie was insulting to any hardcore Halloween / Myers fan with a brain. This was DAMAGING. It’s so bad that if you’re not careful you can FUCK 1978’s Halloween in the process. That’s how bad this was .. for a tie up.
@Old School Pro Wrestling That is a great point... She had extreme PTSD from 1 survived attack 40 years ago... Then he escapes attacks her again, and her family, kills her daughter... Now she's all better... Great plot 🙄
Also side note here: anybody else find the band geeks being the bullies kind of annoying? Whole time they're messing with Cory I'm going "shut the fuck up kid, you play the clarinet. You're not tough or cool"
There’s also a scene in the trailer that I didn’t see in the movie... where Allyson closes a door and in the mirror sees Michael... makes me think that’s part of an alternate ending maybe
It was the original ending where Laurie inherited the evil and wore the mask telling her “GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN, WHILE I CAN STILL CONTROL IT”, would have been a solid ending.
I believe when Michael looked into Corey's soul he seen something in his self and some how the demon inside of transfered some his power and strength into Corey. Plus took it back from him in the end judging by the written but his body was too weak for him to take on Lorry.
Michael got shot, stabbed, beaten, and generally fucked up by a mob in Kills. Then he stood up and slaughtered every last one of them a second later. But it "makes sense" that Cory could over power him because he was weak? Nah, man.
I second this, this is my biggest problem with this trilogy. DGG & McBride flip flop so much on Michael being supernatural or just a man it gets so frustrating
Not to mention, they said killing makes Michael stronger and with the amount of kills he had at the end of the last movie, there’s no reason for him to be a week old man in this one. Especially considering the end of Halloween kills shows him destroying a mob and killing Karen, if anything he should be more powerful than ever. Lots of plot holes here that don’t add up
@@markmac2206 oh man you’re too angry. Do some fucking meditation, hit a goddamn workout and alter your state of consciousness. Then you can return to debate.
@@markmac2206 It’s almost like there’s a REASON why Michael is weak in this movie..but you’d already know that if you been paying attention the last two movies 🙄
@@NoGovernment killed just fine after his wounds in 2018. oh thats right they bruised his torso in Kills. he's supposed to be a supernatural killing machine but ok you wannabe killer.
This Halloween film will be discussed by horror fans for years to come. No Michael until 38 minutes in. Hawkins, Alice and Michael all sidelined for a new character. Feels like a new creative team came in and did this film. I'm truly shocked they chose to end this film this way😐
If you go into a Halloween movie for Michael Myers, I dont see how you could find yourself liking Ends. How many times did we see Myers vulnerable and weak ? They didn’t portray him as a threat AT ALL in this movie. When that cop kicks him down and he could barely get up or move his arm ? Or when Corey is wrestling with him, shoves him down and takes his mask ? (Can’t believe thats real) Obviously they had to try and tell a different story. The OG story and movie we all love was so simple, it’d be stupid and impossible to drag that out across three movies- I think we can all agree. But the biggest thing like I said was Myers, The Shape, coming across as weak and soft for me. I mean, you might as well have threw in the flashback of Busta Rhymes round house kicking him through the window in Resurrection cause he got bitched and tossed around in Ends lol. Also felt like they centered the entire movie around Corey, and it didn’t really have a payoff for me. This was essentially his movie the whole way and he just ends up dying abruptly. Then they move on to Laurie and Michael.
I watch them for Michael and how he interacts with the cast. I thought it was decent. For whatever reason, people want to see invincible characters for them to try to use as a conduit for themselves, but there’s a reason why so many horror movies fail. Telling a good story is more important than hero-worship.
@@christianc.christian5025 Myers isn't a hero for me. But, I wanted what DGG said he was going to do...At First. But, he changed his mind. So, okay, there's that then. There's the story that was supposed to follow through the first three movies and we were going to be happy with it (DGG's words); then suddenly, we're going to be angry (JLC's words with his tacit agreement). That's all. But, that's just a part of an overall opinion
@@christianc.christian5025 my nigga its not about invincible enemies heroes or any of that. They made Michael a joke he wasn't a threat. They establish in the last movie as unkillable to physical force. Makes nothing make sense at all when you completely change it to him losing when we the fans saw him not only win but alluded to transcend. We saw him standing and win in kills.
Ok I found some words… the disrespect of Michael was unfathomable to me. To bring in this new character and build a movie around him??? THE LAST MOVIE IN THE TRILOGY NO LESS? I borderline want to cry because Halloween has been and will always be my favorite franchise… I am disappointed and shocked. Just awful.
Corey gets bullied by kids that say "this one time at band camp" then punks Michael worse than Busta did. they really did that shit. they did. has everyone called Rob Zombie and apologized?
@@Sebastian04223 oh ok. funny how Michael never did that in the previous movies, he couldve made an evil army. i assume this has to do with Michael's age too right? otherwise he did zero killing from 1963 to 78 and did just fine. between 78 and 2018 he didnt fall apart from lack of killing either and he was old then. yeah he took a beating but he is supernatural so thats no problem for him...
Cory should’ve been on the verge of killing Laurie and THEN Michael shows up and “saves” Laurie in the anti hero way and then two duke it out and damaged each other to where they both died simultaneously. But having some young dude literally bully Michael and pin him down and take his mask like that. The same Michael they was just an absolute unit of a terminator in kills. And yeah the line “the more he kills the more he transcends” line explains why he was weak but come on. You can’t show Michael like that. Literally turned him into an old man who needs a carry out with a 50 lb bag of ol’roy every Tuesday at Walmart. Fuck that
I liked that Allyson unceremoniously ends the Laurie vs. Michael showdown. Also like that she's the only character that doesn't go on about eViL and hEaLiNg at the end. Instead she just leaves the town. Really enjoyed her arc.
@@WeWatchedAMovie Isn't the extended directors cut with the opening being immediately after Kills with Laurie defeating Michael as he retreats into sewer where the rest of film cuts to 4 years after and so??! That is necessary RELEASE PLEASE #EXTENDEDDIRECTORSCUT #DAVIDGORDONGREEN #DANNYMCBRIDE #BLUMHOUSE #UNIVERSALSTUDIOS #UNIVERSALPICTURES #HALLOWEENENDS #EXTENDEDCUT #DIRECTORSCUT NOW!!!!
I wish Blumhouse didn’t make us think they were returning to the roots. They completely switched directions with Michael’s literal supernatural ability and it was a painful twist in my opinion. I didn’t want to hate the movie and I wished I like it, but you can’t end this trilogy like this. Michael was treated as a joke, and got canned by everyone (what was that with the Corey and Michael wrestling scene?????)
Bro LMFAOOO. How is this the first time Ive seen someone mention that wrestling scene ? I almost thought I was getting punk’d. The hilarious part about it is Corey actually gets the upper hand and takes his mask ! I sunk in my seat watching that lmao
If you listen to Jamie lee Curtis she said it’s going to make a lot of people mad because they wanted to make a different direction on Halloween ends so that what they did and yes it made people angry
He’s not supernatural - he blurs the line between the natural and supernatural. That was Carpenter’s original intention verbatim for 1978, and that is what David & Danny stated in their original push for this trilogy in 2017. They still left that essence of mystique. Hence - Evil never dies, it changes shape. If you notice the original message of the original 1978 film, and Ends is the exact same. I’m a die hard fan, but I loved this. I respect others opinions, though. I will concur I do wish the fight scene was longer & had more action + I did not want to see him THAT weakened. Weakened is fine, but they showed just a bit too much for me. Outside of that, I was genuinely shocked that I loved it
Terrible movie. So many things that were just horrendous. Corey manhandling Michael and taking his mask Corey being the lone killer through 9/10 of the movie Allyson falling in love with this random ass guy immediately after knowing literally nothing about him other than he killed a kid Allyson yelling “why should I believe you!?” at Laurie towards the end of the movie. Oh, I don’t know Allyson, maybe because she was right the whole time about Michael coming back in the 2018 movie!? Laurie’s daughter barely being mentioned, even though THAT WAS THE END OF KILLS!!!! If Corey doesn’t get thrown over the side of the bridge by those band kids, does Michael just fucking rot in the sewer until he dies!? Like what the fuck was this movie!? We waited 4 years for this heap of poop? 2.2 out of 10.
Someone on Reddit joked that Michael was hit by Covid. While obviously a joke, it does make sense to explain why he was so weak and frail. 45 years of terror and Covid stops him, lol damn
The only thing they could’ve done to save themselves was to have Laurie type up those memoirs and it just been a story and Michael was actually still in hiding. That ending was bs and I felt robbed. 44 years of terror and that’s how Michael dies? Cmon man. I’m so pissed at the movie. And also, these movies have proved one thing, there is no ‘Halloween’ without Donald Pleasance.
Anybody else feel like after the sewer pushing scene when Michael sits up and looks towards the camera he seems like he is just kind of like "This fking kid!"
I couldn’t help start laughing in the cinema right after Michael and Corey Killed the doctor and the young nurse. The next shot was Corey speeding away on his bike with Allyson on the back. For a split second I thought it was Michael on the back speeding away with Corey and I couldn’t help laugh 😂
Mike, i argee at around @21:00, when Michael killed that cop. it seemed like he was like getting his "supernatural" powers back. from Kills line "the more he kills, the more he transcends"
"Evil doesn't die, it just changes shape.". That was an awesome line. I was seriously not looking forward to this film but I enjoyed it. The cinematography and the font from H3 and the music and performances were awesome. I loved how will Patton used the tragedy to find happiness in life (as he tells Laurie) and I am GLAD we didn't get some long drawn out BS fight thing with Laurie and Michael.
Let’s talk about how that alleged “epic final showdown 44 years in the making” was set up. Corey kills himself, Michael shows up like he got the time wrong and Laurie’s like, “Welp, Michael’s here. Guess I’ll microwave this leftover lasagna and go to my callback closet.” That’s the setup. Like, she’s barely fazed. And then the WHOLE town shows up to the last-minute meat grinding EXCEPT Lindsey Wallace? We get close-ups of Julian (okay, fun), Sondra (wheelchair bound from being shanked in the throat idk 🤷🏼♂️) and Hawkins. Hawkins who never laid a finger on Michael, botched FIVE chances to kill him, shot his partner by accident and is the REAL reason for ALL OF IT. But no Lindsey - the only other legacy character IN THE MOVIE and we don’t even see her⁉️
Well said 👍 DGG and company ruined an easy ass franchise to make. Could’ve been a great trilogy if they fleshed out existing characters instead of introducing new ones each movie. They Focus the movie on a brand new character Corey for the final movie 🙄 Then just kill him off? Horrible storytelling
She had been preparing to fight him for 40 years in Halloween 2018. She did and won. She wasn't afraid of fighting or dying to Myers. She WANTED to face him again, after all he'd done. The film made it pretty clear.
Jay your analysis on what Michael was doing to Corey is literally the plot of Christine…Michael Drains Corey and restores himself just like the car did to Arny…Which is exactly how Carpenter described the movie.
I don’t understand how Michael is weak considering at the end of Kills he butchered half the town. Wouldnt he be stronger since he killed so many people and killing makes him stronger? Why did he have to go into hiding?
I kinda feel like Michael didn't kill Corey because he looked in his eyes and saw he was psychotic. He didn't kill any of the patients when he escaped in 78 or in 2018, just left them wandering around. Still not a fan of the movie.
I agree, it was good to see her finally get the happy ending she deserved after dying in the OG and H20 timelines. I honestly thought that Allyson was going to be the last one standing but I’m glad she and Laurie survived despite losing Karen in HK.
Can totally relate to how pissed jay was about ripping off his mask for the 15th time hahah and mike, I shit my pants when you said they had him “looking like he’s in a Korn cover band” 😂😂😂
When he was in the tunnel and just bullied Michael and took his mask was stupid. Really thought this movie didn't wrip up this Trilogy nicely at all it destroyed it and possibly the franchise.
When Michael literally gets bullied for his mask by Corey I almost walked the fuck out. They save it kind of with the sit up. But in no way should Michael fucking Myers ever be bullied.
@@RicketyRooster what were your walkout moments? Mine was the bullying. Another was when I thought that they were gonna say the homeless guy with the beard was Michael.
@@chrisbucci5769 The scene with scarecrow boy killing the doctor, when he takes Michael's mask and when Allison couldn't realize Cory was dressed as Michael Myers.
Might have been crazy but IMO it would have been insane if at the very last second Michael Grabs Laurie's leg and the Halloween theme kicks in full blast and he pulls her into the grinder with him. it would have ended both Laurie and Michael's story while keeping that supernatural element of Michael up until the final moments. If Corey can get shot twice and his throat stabbed and stay alive long enough to grab Michael when he picks up his mask, then surely Michael Myers, THE SHAPE could pretend to be dead and use his last piece of evil energy to grab Laurie and finish her off for fucking him up so bad in the kitchen. It might not be the best ending but I wish they did it this way.
This movie was pretty much a list of things I didn’t wanna see. I’m glad you guys got some enjoyment out of it and everyone who did. You’re both a little less attractive to me today though lol love the content! Also when Michael kills the cop Corey brought him did anyone else think he came in his pants? Lol
I felt it was pretty weird too. I felt like I might’ve been on board if it didn’t feel so different from the previous 2 movies. It felt like going in a different direction right at the end for no reason.
@@entelechy2020 That’s funny, my notion was that Corey’s thing would’ve worked well in ‘Kills’. Make a time-jump if needed between them. A copycat also would’ve done *fucking wonders* for the Tivoli/mistaken identity thing, too.
I felt it was too Forced with Allyson and Corey's romance. She only met him for like 15 mins 3 mins later she was riding his bike kissing .....like what?? 🤔
One massive plot hole I found was the fact that Michael was so weak. I know that they say in the movie that “the more he kills the more he transcends” so since he hadn’t killed in a while and all the injuries he had in kills it makes sense that he would be weak. Until you remember the end of kills where he had an all you can eat buffet. So he should have been fully healed and you might say that “he hasn’t killed in 4 years so he would be very weak” but in Halloween 2018 he hadn’t killed in 30 years and was still just as strong as ever.
Laurie said it in Halloween Kills. “The more he kills, the more transcends into something impossible to defeat. You can’t beat it brute force.” I guess that is why Michael appeared weak and didn’t start to get some strength until he got a few kills in.
Hindsight is 20/20 but I think making the opening of Ends be the opening to 2018 would’ve been better. Introduce Corey in the first movie and have him be an outcast that Alyson befriends. Cameron doesn’t like it and bullies him constantly. Everything else in 2018 would play out the same, but instead of ending the movie with Michael burning you take the opening to Kills and use it at the end of 2018 instead. Michael kills the firefighters and the town finds out he’s on the loose. Haddonfield mob finds Michael and puts the beat down on him only for him to get back up and kill them all. Then he escapes. Movie ends with Cameron and his friends throwing Corey over the bridge and we end with Michael dragging his body away. The story for Ends (minus the death of MM) becomes part 2 and Kills becomes part 3 with the addition of Ends’ battle. I’m totally cool with Michael dying and Laurie surviving though. As much as I like the horror villains I like to see the good guys win. It was ballsy to actually kill Michael. The final fight should’ve been longer though. Should’ve spanned a few different locations that leads to the grinder.
I could be wrong but I feel like Jay full of truth serum would give this movie a 4.5 based off of his comments. Nonetheless, love you both! Great video!
It’s like they don’t want to upset the girl who played Allyson who they interviewed here. Which means disingenuous review. I know JAY had to RAGE so hard that he would run up on Michael and just ragdoll and MUG him for that mask.
@@Leg3ndKilla687 I don’t think it’s that man. One thing I’d never call the WWAM boys is disingenuous. I think it’s deep rooted love that is swaying J. I get it! I’m the same way sometimes. We’re all human.
DGG pissed all over this franchise and Michael Myers! I respect y’all for liking it but I hated it. It wasn’t a story meant to be told in the final movie. The FINALE and they give us a weird romance story with Corey and Allyson and then tact on ending with a lame fight 🙄 They gave Halloween the Star Wars treatment.
I felt they really played off the graveyard scene in Halloween 1978 where the caretaker was describing Charlie bowles to Loomis. That scene plus this movie kinda opened the idea that evil is everywhere and Corey was just another spawn of evil Michael recognized.
I have said this a few times in different places but They should have gone full Corey. The way I think would have been better honestly and fit more with the theme of " evils effect on a town" Corey is the killer the whole time, you don't know it though, he goes into the sewer, and MAYBE sees Michael, maybe interacts with him (so you think)(unreliable narrator?). At the end after the big fight between Laurie and Michael, she bests him and when the mask is pulled off its Corey. Then slowly the camera fades and dissolves as makes it journey through the town, into the tunnel and Michael is dead, but not because Corey killed him, Hes been dead for years. After the event of Kills Michael stumbles into the sewer and just bleeds to death. All the fear was in the end unfounded, a brutal sudden resurgence of death over one night and that was all. Maybe the last shot is sometime later Laurie at the entrance to the sewer, ready to face her fear and confirm what Corey says in his death gasps about Michael's demise , the camera pans up as she makes her way in, resolved, strong and unafraid. Halloween ENDS.
NO. NO they shouldn't have......It was god damned Halloween Ends. It wasn't Corey and Laurie A Halloween Story........It was a mediocre Anthology story at best.....That should NOT have had anything to do with the end of a trilogy. It could have been an interesting Anthology story for the next film with Michael dead. The movie was garbage. It was a god awful Halloween/Michael Myers story at best it was a mediocre After School Special about how bullying is bad....The town bullied Laurie, the town bullied Corey, the town bullied Alyson, Corey bullied Michael Myers. IF you wanted a to do a Corey anthology story, you have Corey floating around in A REAL Halloween Ends that's not dog shit....You do like 5 more passes on your Halloween Anthology story to make it something more than bullying is bad and you pitch that movie to Akkad as a Halloween Anthology story, not the end of a trilogy..... Anyone who wants to cry now about "Hobo Michael" in H2 can eat a giant, massive fat cack now...Spending ONE year hiding outside of Haddonfield killing animals for food is a hell of alot better than T-U-R-T-L-E Power Michelangelo is a party dude living in the sewer lair for 4 years..... Halloween Ends is The Last Jedi of Halloween movies. It was Corey & Laurie A Halloween Story after school special, not Halloween Ends the ending of a trilogy that has been built up in 2 prior movies tied to the 1978 movie.
I enjoy the very very end. Where they show some of the spots Michael was lurking. I enjoyed how there was no music during it, as well. The original had the music playing /his breathing while showing the spots. Probably meaning he’s gone gone. This time it’s different. Also was pretty interesting how Laurie kept his mask. It was laying on the table, I believe.
I didn’t notice the mask laying there. But I did like the very very end too. The original cut to all the places he had been exactly like that too. So I like that the final one ended the same way, with him gone for good this time. And then Don’t Fear the Reaper coming in was cool.
When Corey donned the mask I also found myself still feeling like I was watching Michael. I thought at first the message they were going to blatantly go for was “the Shape is the mask, not the wearer” route. Regardless, I thought it was good! But I’m disappointed for a lot of it as an ending to this trilogy. But I’m hoping I’ll grow to be fond of it
yea because the Mask is Michael. No one can be michael except michael, no one can wear the mask and kill viciously around haddonfield except Michael. They ruined it
As just another sequel, or a reboot, this could have been a cool idea, but for the final movie in an over 40 year history?? Wtf were they thinking? And how did they get JLC to agree to this? Destroyed Allyson’s character, if you get Andi on, I’m curious to hear her thoughts. Hell even James Jude wasn’t happy I’m sure, goddamn what a mess. They really overthought everything over Covid, I’m curious to see the original plan. Welp, let’s see if we get something new within 5 years
First, I need to say that I love the passion and genuine love that you all have for Michael. Ive said this on your channel’s comments before, but it is the exact same as my best friend and I, and I absolutely love that you all have the same respect and love for him. We are kindred spirits lol. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve taken it so personally when they fucked up Michaels story over the years. * I was liking it to a certain point. We have been theorizing on the lore of Mike for over 20 years now. And when you explain shit, it takes away a lot of the creep factor. But there are ways to tell more about Mike without going so deep it gets cheesy. *It was tapping into one of our biggest theories from the OG. We always kinda thought, when the camera is moving around the house at the beginning, it was like the “evil” looking for a host. Then it found little Michael and we got our man. I thought, like Jay said, that Mike was actually using Corey to recharge himself. I would have been cool with that. * I agree about taking off the mask. Fuckin stop it. Michael is Mike with the mask, he’s not the human underneath. *Honestly, we didn’t need Corey’s story. We didn’t need to feel sorry for him if he was gonna be viewed on Mikes level. WE DONT HUMANIZE MICHAEL,FOR FUCKS SAKE. And I’m with Jay on the idea that he didn’t feel empathy for Corey, it was more so that he was realizing he was a good candidate to take. *At the end, when they showed Laurie’s house empty, panning around like the OG, it almost felt like the same thing as the evil looking for young Michael. And I didn’t hate that. *The relationship between Allison and Corey started making it feel like an 80s thriller and it went on too long and wasted a ton of time. *it’s like they had these ideas and didn’t commit. That’s what it felt like. It could have been so much better. My friend and I feel like we’ve been assaulted by someone we trusted lol. I feel betrayed in a few ways. But, like you guys said, as long as I still see Michael in the future, I’ll be fine. I just wanna see Mike takin names.
I don't know what to think about this movie. I've watched it three times. I left the theater kind of stunned, and then immediately put it on again when I got home. I don't hate it but I will say - they did an exceptional job at making every single citizen of Haddonfield an insufferable asshole. Not a single sympathetic character to be found.
I’m starting to think maybe they didn’t know what they were doing with Michael from the start… 2018: back to more grounded, realistic dude in a mask…but super evil Kills: oh I’m going full Hogan and hulking the fuck up to wreck this mob and win the Royal Rumble after that near fall. BTdubs, I can teleport now. Ends: OK, I may have gone a little too hard, have you ever had a 4yr hangover? But these for real bloody Mary’s are giving me life…but maybe not because that new guy just took my mask? Psych, I’m still coming for you even if you slit my throat! Hey, no fair Allyson! No not my wrists…womp womp
Actually, I was thinking, Michael HAS to drag her in...Never happened!? There were so many missed opportunities, but they also did it right! IDK, im happy with the franchise! We won't see another Halloween movie for 5-7years!
And he looks at the camera and says “Sup, Happy Halloween Everybody “. *Cuts to black. Halloween score hits*. I mean cause fuck it might as well have him speak in this shit fest I’ll take that alternate ending
The rejected cremation Mike talks about in their newest video would have been a visual parallel to the ending of 2018 - giving Laurie closure to the trap she spent forty years building for him. Also, it would tie in with the Loomis tape in 2018 and Laurie's cries of LET IT BURN in Kills.
Fuck Laurie strode she's not the franchise it's Michael's what do we hear in the opening credits who's theme do we hear it was revenge on moustapha akkad for h20 she has ruined this franchise with her bs
Actually thought them playing "Don't Fear the Reaper" I thought was pretty cool, because if you go back to the original movie when Laurie and Annie are driving to go babysit, if you listen carefully that's the song playing on the radio! Gotta be a nod to that.
Hearing this discussion was very cathartic! Loved hearing you guys go through all the stages of grief here. 😂 I think the biggest issue with Halloween Ends was that they weren’t upfront whatsoever with what we were getting. 🤷♂️
That’s something that I don’t understand if Michael is supernatural coming off 2018 and HK and then we have this film. I agree with Jay how Corey was a pawn to almost help rejuvenate Michaels strength and aura. I feel when Michael/Corey are killing together I feel that was helping Michael gain his strength again. The old guy questioned why Michael didn’t kill Corey. So it almost seems like Michael was looking for someone who had a darkness inside.
I think he *is* supernatural, just not “magical” or mystical. But even superhuman characters have their limits. He still deadlifts a struggling, adult woman with one hand. A person can’t do that. The homeless guy was just a crazy bum who unintentionally convinced Corey that he was “special” and had a kinship with Michael. And I think that Michael, going from weak to somewhat restored, eventually showed him otherwise.
They should’ve just went with the thorn timeline if they didn’t wanna go in full depth of his evil..Also how did Myers show up to the doctors and her house? Did he get on the back of Corey’s motorcycle? 😂
YoungBug23: I thought he was following Corey around without him knowing -- like the scene when Laurie Strode saw him near the tree. But, that time, it seemed arranged by Corey because of how they treated Allyson
I side with the people who wanted Laurie to meet her date in a big way! The rule has always been “you can’t kill the boogeyman” and it’s not just a rule it was a fucking quote from H78. They should be forced to remake this movie lol
There’s a lot I couldn’t comprehend about the movie. I actually feel Corey was a missed opportunity to take up the boogeyman mantle after Michael. IMO Corey should’ve been introduced in “2018” then gradually building up the character in “Kills” and then as a final product of Corey being just as evil as Michael in “Ends”. As far as the ending I believe it could’ve been a better send off of Michael closing the 44 year chapter. I would’ve been more satisfied if Michael had grabbed Laurie’s leg taking her with him to the grinder.
That's exactly what I said. Honestly Michael could've died at the end of Kills and then Ends, could've been Laurie's Swan song and Ends could've been Corey's storyline, awakening.
I was thrown off by Corey. But I was thinking, ok he will be like the new Michael. But then he just dies, making that all seem pointless. If they just kept him as a new killer, it might’ve pissed people off, but would’ve made more sense then setting him up as a killer just for him to die.
Better ending #1: Myers and Laurie fight. She gets the upper hand and blows his brains out. He still tries to get up and she unloads until he is dead. Better ending #2: Longer fight at the end. As Laurie goes to kill him, the cops show up and stop her. Sending him back to prison. Then gets executed as Loomis described in '18. Better ending #3: Corey attacks Laurie and she thinks it's Myers. They fight and she kills him. House is burning down. After, they believe its over. Laurie and Alyson have closure. We see The Shape walking off later into nowhere. Disappearing forever. Anything was better than that POS.
This is like a 4.5/10 at best. They establish in H-Kills that more more Michael kills, the more he transcends. without making him supernatural then I don't buy how he was able to stand up and Kill Tommy and his mob at the end. Not only that but then be able to make it back to his house undetected, and kill Karen, then escape again. The first half should have been Corey "Feeding" him essentially, and then the second should have been a fully revitalized Michael on a killing spree, after killing Corey of course because that is something pure evil would do. The final scene should have been Michael and Lori Killing one another. What we got was Lori Killing a week and decrepit old man, not the embodiment of pure evil. As the ending of a trilogy this movie is lackluster at best. You can't look at it as a standalone film, which is essentially what they did for the most part. A trilogy is a three-part story, that is why for the most part H-Kills was a good follow up to 2018, but this last one was so far removed, and completely dropps the ending of the 2nd movie. I just don't understand how they could read the script to this film, shoot it, and then think they have a winner on there hands. I read a report that this movie underperformed at the box office and to be honest I'm actually glad to hear it. If I could warn fans not to watch this movie I would. They would honestly be better off watching Halloween: Resurrection, or Rob Zombie's Halloween 2, before watching this one.
One of the worst Halloweens since Rob Zombies, who was this movie for? People who hate Michael Myers and logic. Some low iq are saying this will be a classic. Explain this if you like this film: 1. Allyson for no reason instantly, from the first sight, falls madly in love with a serial killer, Corey. They have no chemistry and she is the only person who cant tell he's insane. Showing she is less intelligent than a mob screaming evil dies tonight. He literally tells her he killed someone recently, not the kid from 2019. I wanted them all to die from how foolish they were. 2. Myers is beaten and mask is stolen by a kid who was just beaten up by smaller children... which implies Myers could have been stopped by small children. 3. Myers is then destroyed by a 70 yr old woman in 1 on 1 combat, with nothing but her hands and a knife. 4. Myers could walk through fire hose pressure lift firefighters with all their gear on easily, now a few years later he stumbles and falls down at the fierce conflict of fussy children. 5. Myers is instantly best friends with Corey, pure evil, Michael Myers, not only doesn't kill an annoying kid bothering him in his pathetic sewer, but takes him under his wing and tries to teach him how to kill... Corey kills more than he does in this movie anyway, and he beats him up later.
There was that report a while ago that revealed that the original cut of the film, picks up where Kills leaves off, Laurie defeating Michael, leading to him retreating to the sewer, Where she then announces over the radio tower that he’s gone. Then it cuts to 2022. Not sure if that was accurate, but if it was, it adds up with the film we got, the movie would’ve benefited from it I think.
I SWEAR THATS THE EXTENDED CUT WE NEED RELEASED #BLUMHOUSE #DAVIDGORDONGREEN #UNIVERSALSTUDIOS #UNIVERSALPICTURES #HALLOWEENENDS #EXTENDEDCUT #DIRECTORSCUT
If they just showed a scene where Michael had to take the mask off for some reason and Corey comes and steals it without Myers seeing - That would be a far more respectful way for Corey to get the mask. Michael shouldn’t be weak enough to be wrestled down by the neighborhood nerd.
The pumpkin 🎃 guts in between Laurie’s hands 🙌 when she is talking to Lindsay & Allyson is foreshadowing what’s coming to Myers. Same with the several times food exploded in the microwave as if Laurie put a Gremlin in it
Corey literally threw Michael down and took his mask…. Just let that sink in! The disrespect is real! 😂
Kinda makes sense Micheal is like fucking 80 and has been chilling in a nasty sewer for four years. Dude should be dead.
I didnt like that at all, they made micheal frail n weak until he started killin people
That made Michael look soft being Punk’d by Corey like that
I think it makes sense if Michael was super weak. Which, if I recall correctly, he was really weak in the sewer. Could barely kill the one guy Corey brought to him. But then once he did kill him it looked like he was getting rejuvenated. So I was like ok, killing makes him more powerful. But then he’s seemingly weak again when Corey takes the mask. I thought it would’ve been ok if they made it clear that he was still weakened. But it wasn’t clear so it was confusing and made it seem like Michael got bitched.
Yeah total bullshit 🙄 They wrote him as an unstoppable force of evil in the last 2 movies and just wiped their asses with it for Ends.
This movie was a DISGRACE to the entire legacy of this franchise.
I’m tired of this timeline having the praise it does, because it’s doing things that have been done. The “possession” angle = the thorn cult/Jamie Lloyd at the end of Halloween 4, the aggressive over the top kills = Rob zombie, etc. I’m disappointed in the fans. They did this for a paycheck, nothing more. 🤢🤢🤢
I couldn't agree more 💯👏👏👏
After Michael and Corey got their Bro Kills on, I totally thought Michael was riding behind him on the motorcycle.
i thought i was watching batman and robin😂
@@AliFrankTheTank I really wouldn’t have been surprised if Corey added a little sidecar for Michael.
How the hell else did Michael tag along with him? I bet he rode bitch on the bike with Corey 🙄
🤣 I thought the same exact thing! I was so relieved when they showed it was Alison
@@SINlluminati I was equally relieved and bummed out. The mental picture of Michael riding bitch had me laughing out loud.
I could definately see you guys making a parody of Michael riding with Corey on the back of his dirtbike.
This movie's biggest issue wasn't how quick the fight was, and how quickly Michael was killed... which is true... The biggest issue was there was NO BUILD UP to the fight... She had no idea Michael was around... He was just part of her past... Basically, no talk about Michael... And suddenly she was in the middle of a fight with him... And then the fight is over and he's dead... WTF
She was literally talking about and even reminded of Michael throughout the entire film...
@@TheShape_1031 As part of her past... in her book mostly... No, "we have to deal with Michael", "What are we gonna do about Michael", "We have to stop Michael"... ""We have to kill Michael".. and especially "Michael is back." NOTHING!!! She had no idea Michael was back... We don't even know if when the fight first started if she thought it was still Cory...
God, the more I think about it and see these comments the more pissed off I get lmfao
One of my issues is how they seemed to move on and TRAPLESS house and all flowers
Michael killed your daughter 4 years ago. You were traumatized by events from 78 but 4 years ago your daughter gets killed and they don’t find Michael body, eh time to move on normally.
Uh. LAURIE, ALLYSON AND THE COP ((who was pointless to even build up and keep around cause he was forgotten in this one and just seemed to be a reason for for the flashback scene from kills and that’s it I guess.., that storyline was forgotten here ).
Anyway these 3 SHOULD BE HUNTING MICHAELS BODY TIL THE END OF THERE DAYS. Not move on with Michael not even found
This movie was insulting to any hardcore Halloween / Myers fan with a brain. This was DAMAGING. It’s so bad that if you’re not careful you can FUCK 1978’s Halloween in the process. That’s how bad this was .. for a tie up.
@Old School Pro Wrestling That is a great point... She had extreme PTSD from 1 survived attack 40 years ago... Then he escapes attacks her again, and her family, kills her daughter... Now she's all better... Great plot 🙄
I haven’t been this disappointed in a movie in a long time.
I feel cheated that we didn't get to see the full cutting torch death. One of the coolest deaths ever and you barely see it.
Also side note here: anybody else find the band geeks being the bullies kind of annoying? Whole time they're messing with Cory I'm going "shut the fuck up kid, you play the clarinet. You're not tough or cool"
yeah but they were supposed to be hated so it was well done
I agree! The fizzing and popping sounds while Corey is blasting Terrys mouth was so brutal 😂🤘🏻
@@chance6754 Billy also shouldn’t be bullying anyone with that haircut of his 💀
@@chance6754 this one time at band camp we threw this Corey kid over a bridge. 😂😂
There’s also a scene in the trailer that I didn’t see in the movie... where Allyson closes a door and in the mirror sees Michael... makes me think that’s part of an alternate ending maybe
It was the original ending where Laurie inherited the evil and wore the mask telling her “GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN, WHILE I CAN STILL CONTROL IT”, would have been a solid ending.
Also the scene when Corey is on the staircase, asking "What are you going to do when Michael comes back? Because he is coming back"
@@ChonkButterz my gf swore up and down she saw that scene in trailer it never appeared in movie .
I believe when Michael looked into Corey's soul he seen something in his self and some how the demon inside of transfered some his power and strength into Corey. Plus took it back from him in the end judging by the written but his body was too weak for him to take on Lorry.
@@113KILL5I agree I would of liked that ending 1000x more than what we got :(
Michael got shot, stabbed, beaten, and generally fucked up by a mob in Kills. Then he stood up and slaughtered every last one of them a second later. But it "makes sense" that Cory could over power him because he was weak? Nah, man.
The towns people let him kill them to be fair out of fear
I second this, this is my biggest problem with this trilogy. DGG & McBride flip flop so much on Michael being supernatural or just a man it gets so frustrating
Exactly and not to mention he kill Carren in kill then in Ends it’s like Mikey was Ah to old for this shit
Not to mention, they said killing makes Michael stronger and with the amount of kills he had at the end of the last movie, there’s no reason for him to be a week old man in this one. Especially considering the end of Halloween kills shows him destroying a mob and killing Karen, if anything he should be more powerful than ever. Lots of plot holes here that don’t add up
Yeah, corey overpowers michael and takes his mask but on multiple occasions he couldn’t handle some punk high school kids? Lmao
The Step Brothers fight they had for the Mask now we need this as a Loomis and Michael skit
😂 yes - I can’t quit laughing at the Step Brothers reference cause that 100% describes it
I’m surprised Corey didn’t say “Did we just become best friends” after
They said on another comment they are planning on doing this. I can’t wait to see it 😂😂
The way they treated Micheal I was surprised tht the red headed nurse didn’t beat him up too.
remember how everyone got mad Busta tapped Mikeys head and clowned him but now those people somehow love this movie? good times.
@@markmac2206 oh man you’re too angry. Do some fucking meditation, hit a goddamn workout and alter your state of consciousness. Then you can return to debate.
@@markmac2206 It’s almost like there’s a REASON why Michael is weak in this movie..but you’d already know that if you been paying attention the last two movies 🙄
@@NoGovernment killed just fine after his wounds in 2018. oh thats right they bruised his torso in Kills. he's supposed to be a supernatural killing machine but ok you wannabe killer.
@@markmac2206 halloween resurrection is at least a Halloween movie… Ends was pure trash a slap in the face to fans
Who TF thinks Michael being a killer-trainer is ACTUALLY a good idea????? R U EFFING KIDDING ME??? awful
jay is visibly pissed hahahaahhahahaha
Just watch Halloween 2018 and believe he dies in that fire and end it there, that would have been the perfect ending to a mostly great movie series.
Just left the theater, and all I can say is wtf. Feeling pretty damn betrayed.
Worst way to end the trilogy
It fucking sucked man
Oh poor you
@@Gullysands shut up
no one can defend this movie , over 40 years since its first movie , that was a absolute disgrace to its legacy
This Halloween film will be discussed by horror fans for years to come. No Michael until 38 minutes in. Hawkins, Alice and Michael all sidelined for a new character. Feels like a new creative team came in and did this film. I'm truly shocked they chose to end this film this way😐
Michael died in the basement fire. For me
When Cory was in the mirror when he came home gave me Spider-Man vibes lol
If you go into a Halloween movie for Michael Myers, I dont see how you could find yourself liking Ends. How many times did we see Myers vulnerable and weak ? They didn’t portray him as a threat AT ALL in this movie. When that cop kicks him down and he could barely get up or move his arm ? Or when Corey is wrestling with him, shoves him down and takes his mask ? (Can’t believe thats real) Obviously they had to try and tell a different story. The OG story and movie we all love was so simple, it’d be stupid and impossible to drag that out across three movies- I think we can all agree. But the biggest thing like I said was Myers, The Shape, coming across as weak and soft for me. I mean, you might as well have threw in the flashback of Busta Rhymes round house kicking him through the window in Resurrection cause he got bitched and tossed around in Ends lol. Also felt like they centered the entire movie around Corey, and it didn’t really have a payoff for me. This was essentially his movie the whole way and he just ends up dying abruptly. Then they move on to Laurie and Michael.
Exactly!!!!
I agree 100% and how the movie was entirely about Corey then he just dies…. That was very weak. Exactly what you said no pay off from that.
I watch them for Michael and how he interacts with the cast. I thought it was decent.
For whatever reason, people want to see invincible characters for them to try to use as a conduit for themselves, but there’s a reason why so many horror movies fail.
Telling a good story is more important than hero-worship.
@@christianc.christian5025 Myers isn't a hero for me. But, I wanted what DGG said he was going to do...At First. But, he changed his mind. So, okay, there's that then. There's the story that was supposed to follow through the first three movies and we were going to be happy with it (DGG's words); then suddenly, we're going to be angry (JLC's words with his tacit agreement). That's all. But, that's just a part of an overall opinion
@@christianc.christian5025 my nigga its not about invincible enemies heroes or any of that. They made Michael a joke he wasn't a threat. They establish in the last movie as unkillable to physical force. Makes nothing make sense at all when you completely change it to him losing when we the fans saw him not only win but alluded to transcend. We saw him standing and win in kills.
Just left the theatre… I am at a loss for words. Literally loss for words.
Ok I found some words… the disrespect of Michael was unfathomable to me. To bring in this new character and build a movie around him??? THE LAST MOVIE IN THE TRILOGY NO LESS? I borderline want to cry because Halloween has been and will always be my favorite franchise… I am disappointed and shocked. Just awful.
@@ashleysmith8559 This film could have come out first and had a different ending it most likely wouldn't be as divisive.
Corey gets bullied by kids that say "this one time at band camp" then punks Michael worse than Busta did. they really did that shit. they did. has everyone called Rob Zombie and apologized?
I was baffled , they really went an made a mockery of michael like that.
I really wanted michael to get corey after that .
No Rob is a embarrassment to the franchise lmao
@@sethurott9927 and this isn't ???
He punks Michael because he got the supernatural elements transferred to him and has killed a bit more than Michael so far so it makes sense
@@Sebastian04223 oh ok. funny how Michael never did that in the previous movies, he couldve made an evil army. i assume this has to do with Michael's age too right? otherwise he did zero killing from 1963 to 78 and did just fine. between 78 and 2018 he didnt fall apart from lack of killing either and he was old then. yeah he took a beating but he is supernatural so thats no problem for him...
Cory should’ve been on the verge of killing Laurie and THEN Michael shows up and “saves” Laurie in the anti hero way and then two duke it out and damaged each other to where they both died simultaneously. But having some young dude literally bully Michael and pin him down and take his mask like that. The same Michael they was just an absolute unit of a terminator in kills. And yeah the line “the more he kills the more he transcends” line explains why he was weak but come on. You can’t show Michael like that. Literally turned him into an old man who needs a carry out with a 50 lb bag of ol’roy every Tuesday at Walmart. Fuck that
Idk it just doesn't sit right with me mostly because how weak they made Michael
I liked that Allyson unceremoniously ends the Laurie vs. Michael showdown. Also like that she's the only character that doesn't go on about eViL and hEaLiNg at the end. Instead she just leaves the town. Really enjoyed her arc.
I did too!
@@WeWatchedAMovie Isn't the extended directors cut with the opening being immediately after Kills with Laurie defeating Michael as he retreats into sewer where the rest of film cuts to 4 years after and so??! That is necessary RELEASE PLEASE #EXTENDEDDIRECTORSCUT #DAVIDGORDONGREEN #DANNYMCBRIDE #BLUMHOUSE #UNIVERSALSTUDIOS #UNIVERSALPICTURES #HALLOWEENENDS #EXTENDEDCUT #DIRECTORSCUT NOW!!!!
I wish Blumhouse didn’t make us think they were returning to the roots. They completely switched directions with Michael’s literal supernatural ability and it was a painful twist in my opinion. I didn’t want to hate the movie and I wished I like it, but you can’t end this trilogy like this. Michael was treated as a joke, and got canned by everyone (what was that with the Corey and Michael wrestling scene?????)
Bro LMFAOOO. How is this the first time Ive seen someone mention that wrestling scene ? I almost thought I was getting punk’d. The hilarious part about it is Corey actually gets the upper hand and takes his mask ! I sunk in my seat watching that lmao
myers meets his maker with a fucking refrigerator.
@@christiansullivan9732 yeah, I’m surprised most people haven’t mentioned it.
If you listen to Jamie lee Curtis she said it’s going to make a lot of people mad because they wanted to make a different direction on Halloween ends so that what they did and yes it made people angry
He’s not supernatural - he blurs the line between the natural and supernatural. That was Carpenter’s original intention verbatim for 1978, and that is what David & Danny stated in their original push for this trilogy in 2017. They still left that essence of mystique. Hence - Evil never dies, it changes shape. If you notice the original message of the original 1978 film, and Ends is the exact same. I’m a die hard fan, but I loved this. I respect others opinions, though. I will concur I do wish the fight scene was longer & had more action + I did not want to see him THAT weakened. Weakened is fine, but they showed just a bit too much for me. Outside of that, I was genuinely shocked that I loved it
Terrible movie. So many things that were just horrendous.
Corey manhandling Michael and taking his mask
Corey being the lone killer through 9/10 of the movie
Allyson falling in love with this random ass guy immediately after knowing literally nothing about him other than he killed a kid
Allyson yelling “why should I believe you!?” at Laurie towards the end of the movie. Oh, I don’t know Allyson, maybe because she was right the whole time about Michael coming back in the 2018 movie!?
Laurie’s daughter barely being mentioned, even though THAT WAS THE END OF KILLS!!!!
If Corey doesn’t get thrown over the side of the bridge by those band kids, does Michael just fucking rot in the sewer until he dies!? Like what the fuck was this movie!? We waited 4 years for this heap of poop? 2.2 out of 10.
just finished watching it can't belive the way they disrespected Michael
I agree 5min of screen time 😔
schoolyard wrestling match in a sewer. what a joke
Yea they made some odd decisions
I actually enjoyed the direction then took it and I enjoyed the new Shape of evil aka Corey.
Someone on Reddit joked that Michael was hit by Covid. While obviously a joke, it does make sense to explain why he was so weak and frail. 45 years of terror and Covid stops him, lol damn
The only thing they could’ve done to save themselves was to have Laurie type up those memoirs and it just been a story and Michael was actually still in hiding. That ending was bs and I felt robbed. 44 years of terror and that’s how Michael dies? Cmon man. I’m so pissed at the movie. And also, these movies have proved one thing, there is no ‘Halloween’ without Donald Pleasance.
That’s the route I thought they were going initially!
Old man Michael with ‘That’s So Raven’ vibes 🔮👁
Bro 💀
💀
Bruh🤣🤣🤣
lol
Anybody else feel like after the sewer pushing scene when Michael sits up and looks towards the camera he seems like he is just kind of like "This fking kid!"
My head canon from now on is that Michael rode on Corey’s bike with his arms wrapped around Corey’s waist
Same bro same
Lol same
LMAO
I couldn’t help start laughing in the cinema right after Michael and Corey Killed the doctor and the young nurse.
The next shot was Corey speeding away on his bike with Allyson on the back. For a split second I thought it was Michael on the back speeding away with Corey and I couldn’t help laugh 😂
not gonna when that scene of Cory trying to take the mask felt like skit you would do with Loomis and Michael
Loomis would have made it more iconic he’s the HBIC Cory could never
Mike, i argee at around @21:00, when Michael killed that cop. it seemed like he was like getting his "supernatural" powers back. from Kills line "the more he kills, the more he transcends"
Fun fact. The Cop chasing Corey was the kid back in 1978 was probably related to the the red head Mulanys kid!!!
Ends should have been the middle chapter. Swap the endings with ends and kills, and tweak a few things… I think people would be much happier.
"Evil doesn't die, it just changes shape.". That was an awesome line. I was seriously not looking forward to this film but I enjoyed it. The cinematography and the font from H3 and the music and performances were awesome. I loved how will Patton used the tragedy to find happiness in life (as he tells Laurie) and I am GLAD we didn't get some long drawn out BS fight thing with Laurie and Michael.
Let’s talk about how that alleged “epic final showdown 44 years in the making” was set up. Corey kills himself, Michael shows up like he got the time wrong and Laurie’s like, “Welp, Michael’s here. Guess I’ll microwave this leftover lasagna and go to my callback closet.” That’s the setup. Like, she’s barely fazed.
And then the WHOLE town shows up to the last-minute meat grinding EXCEPT Lindsey Wallace? We get close-ups of Julian (okay, fun), Sondra (wheelchair bound from being shanked in the throat idk 🤷🏼♂️) and Hawkins. Hawkins who never laid a finger on Michael, botched FIVE chances to kill him, shot his partner by accident and is the REAL reason for ALL OF IT. But no Lindsey - the only other legacy character IN THE MOVIE and we don’t even see her⁉️
Julian CARRIED H2018
Well said 👍 DGG and company ruined an easy ass franchise to make. Could’ve been a great trilogy if they fleshed out existing characters instead of introducing new ones each movie. They Focus the movie on a brand new character Corey for the final movie 🙄 Then just kill him off? Horrible storytelling
@@perryjones7771 I was happy to see him.
Thought the same thing.
Must have been a re-shoot months after filming had wrapped and she wasn't available.
She had been preparing to fight him for 40 years in Halloween 2018. She did and won. She wasn't afraid of fighting or dying to Myers. She WANTED to face him again, after all he'd done. The film made it pretty clear.
Jay your analysis on what Michael was doing to Corey is literally the plot of Christine…Michael Drains Corey and restores himself just like the car did to Arny…Which is exactly how Carpenter described the movie.
Arnies last name is also Cunningham
Based!
Yea because nobody in this franchise has look Myers in the eyes… tf he ain’t just kill him for ?😭😭😭😭😭 this isn’t Christine
I don’t understand how Michael is weak considering at the end of Kills he butchered half the town. Wouldnt he be stronger since he killed so many people and killing makes him stronger? Why did he have to go into hiding?
Halloween Fans: You can’t kill the boogeyman!!! Blumhouse: Hold My Beer!
"not only can i kill him, i will make his about as tough as a poodle."
@@markmac2206 That drove me crazy!!!! Myers is Iconic and you do him that way? 🤦🏼♂️
It’s not “Halloween fans” that says you can’t kill Michael Myers, It’s Moustapha Akkad that said you can’t. His son had other plans apparently.
I kinda feel like Michael didn't kill Corey because he looked in his eyes and saw he was psychotic. He didn't kill any of the patients when he escaped in 78 or in 2018, just left them wandering around. Still not a fan of the movie.
When Michael gets shredded to pieces I was wondering if a hand was going to grab Laurie and take her with him.
i hoped he would take me with him after watching this mess.
I'm pretty sure you should have wrote this movie
@@markmac2206 dude I'm going to do about a 100,000 comments I probably read and this is top 10 s*** right here
Totally agree,another ending could be Michael and Laurie final showdown with maybe a Dr. Loomis quote in the background as they both die
I just came back home from watching it in theaters but I didn’t expect Laurie to survive.
I'm so tired of her. that's why I enjoyed the texas , friday and scream movies more
She was already killed in another timeline and took up the mantle in Zombies H2. So I don’t mind her finally getting a happy ending.
There was a moment when he grabbed her neck and I almost thought it was gonna cut to the credits and start, doodoo da doodoo da dooing.
@@carlosmeza2294 yes I know. But how many films now lmaoo
I agree, it was good to see her finally get the happy ending she deserved after dying in the OG and H20 timelines. I honestly thought that Allyson was going to be the last one standing but I’m glad she and Laurie survived despite losing Karen in HK.
Can totally relate to how pissed jay was about ripping off his mask for the 15th time hahah and mike, I shit my pants when you said they had him “looking like he’s in a Korn cover band” 😂😂😂
He did have those little nut dusters 😂 gnarly facial hair
When he was in the tunnel and just bullied Michael and took his mask was stupid. Really thought this movie didn't wrip up this Trilogy nicely at all it destroyed it and possibly the franchise.
The scene when Corey and Micheal wrestle each other had me thinking “man a Loomis reacts to this scene would be golden.” 😂
When Michael literally gets bullied for his mask by Corey I almost walked the fuck out. They save it kind of with the sit up. But in no way should Michael fucking Myers ever be bullied.
I stood up to leave 3 times...was only joking but kinda did want to walk out.
@@RicketyRooster what were your walkout moments? Mine was the bullying. Another was when I thought that they were gonna say the homeless guy with the beard was Michael.
@@chrisbucci5769 The scene with scarecrow boy killing the doctor, when he takes Michael's mask and when Allison couldn't realize Cory was dressed as Michael Myers.
Had to make myself stay and now wish I HAD WALKED OUT
Might have been crazy but IMO it would have been insane if at the very last second Michael Grabs Laurie's leg and the Halloween theme kicks in full blast and he pulls her into the grinder with him. it would have ended both Laurie and Michael's story while keeping that supernatural element of Michael up until the final moments. If Corey can get shot twice and his throat stabbed and stay alive long enough to grab Michael when he picks up his mask, then surely Michael Myers, THE SHAPE could pretend to be dead and use his last piece of evil energy to grab Laurie and finish her off for fucking him up so bad in the kitchen.
It might not be the best ending but I wish they did it this way.
This movie was pretty much a list of things I didn’t wanna see. I’m glad you guys got some enjoyment out of it and everyone who did. You’re both a little less attractive to me today though lol love the content!
Also when Michael kills the cop Corey brought him did anyone else think he came in his pants? Lol
Did anyone Else notice corey's boss was watching Hard Target , while Corey was killing everyone in the junkyard.
Yes!!! Van dammes hair!! Claaasic!!
That was his dad
My biggest gripes come from these ideas coming in during the third (fourth) and final installment of the franchise.
Exactly! Very strange to make these giant decisions in the final film
100%. I almost feel this and H18 should've been swapped, especially when it comes to Laurie's whole character and demeanor.
at least blumhouse dropped 2018
I felt it was pretty weird too. I felt like I might’ve been on board if it didn’t feel so different from the previous 2 movies. It felt like going in a different direction right at the end for no reason.
@@entelechy2020 That’s funny, my notion was that Corey’s thing would’ve worked well in ‘Kills’. Make a time-jump if needed between them.
A copycat also would’ve done *fucking wonders* for the Tivoli/mistaken identity thing, too.
If Halloween II (1981) had been the end of the story at least Michael would have gone out with a (literal) bang instead of a whimper.
I hated the whole movie honestly 😢I really wanted it to end good but in my option it didn’t
I felt it was too Forced with Allyson and Corey's romance. She only met him for like 15 mins 3 mins later she was riding his bike kissing .....like what?? 🤔
Sewer scene.. when Corey took his mask made me mad… made Michael look so weak
like Michael crying in 5 and Busta punking him in 8.
Michael WAS weak!!!
One massive plot hole I found was the fact that Michael was so weak. I know that they say in the movie that “the more he kills the more he transcends” so since he hadn’t killed in a while and all the injuries he had in kills it makes sense that he would be weak. Until you remember the end of kills where he had an all you can eat buffet. So he should have been fully healed and you might say that “he hasn’t killed in 4 years so he would be very weak” but in Halloween 2018 he hadn’t killed in 30 years and was still just as strong as ever.
Laurie said it in Halloween Kills. “The more he kills, the more transcends into something impossible to defeat. You can’t beat it brute force.” I guess that is why Michael appeared weak and didn’t start to get some strength until he got a few kills in.
What about the time he was in prison? He sure had no problem killing the 6 ppl after his escape
Hindsight is 20/20 but I think making the opening of Ends be the opening to 2018 would’ve been better. Introduce Corey in the first movie and have him be an outcast that Alyson befriends. Cameron doesn’t like it and bullies him constantly. Everything else in 2018 would play out the same, but instead of ending the movie with Michael burning you take the opening to Kills and use it at the end of 2018 instead. Michael kills the firefighters and the town finds out he’s on the loose. Haddonfield mob finds Michael and puts the beat down on him only for him to get back up and kill them all. Then he escapes. Movie ends with Cameron and his friends throwing Corey over the bridge and we end with Michael dragging his body away. The story for Ends (minus the death of MM) becomes part 2 and Kills becomes part 3 with the addition of Ends’ battle.
I’m totally cool with Michael dying and Laurie surviving though. As much as I like the horror villains I like to see the good guys win. It was ballsy to actually kill Michael. The final fight should’ve been longer though. Should’ve spanned a few different locations that leads to the grinder.
Jay is so right, they mad disrespectful to my poor little Mikey. 1 minute of screen time, 59 seconds of it without his mask.
I could be wrong but I feel like Jay full of truth serum would give this movie a 4.5 based off of his comments. Nonetheless, love you both! Great video!
100% correct!
It’s like they don’t want to upset the girl who played Allyson who they interviewed here. Which means disingenuous review.
I know JAY had to RAGE so hard that he would run up on Michael and just ragdoll and MUG him for that mask.
@@Leg3ndKilla687 I don’t think it’s that man. One thing I’d never call the WWAM boys is disingenuous. I think it’s deep rooted love that is swaying J. I get it! I’m the same way sometimes. We’re all human.
They’re also having one of the writers on in an interview so they can’t completely shit on the movie either.
And Allyson was good in the movie tho.
@@MaverykMedia exactly. Like when you get a new tattoo, but it's bad, but you don't want to admit it lol
DGG pissed all over this franchise and Michael Myers! I respect y’all for liking it but I hated it. It wasn’t a story meant to be told in the final movie. The FINALE and they give us a weird romance story with Corey and Allyson and then tact on ending with a lame fight 🙄 They gave Halloween the Star Wars treatment.
I felt they really played off the graveyard scene in Halloween 1978 where the caretaker was describing Charlie bowles to Loomis. That scene plus this movie kinda opened the idea that evil is everywhere and Corey was just another spawn of evil Michael recognized.
I have said this a few times in different places but
They should have gone full Corey. The way I think would have been better honestly and fit more with the theme of " evils effect on a town"
Corey is the killer the whole time, you don't know it though, he goes into the sewer, and MAYBE sees Michael, maybe interacts with him (so you think)(unreliable narrator?). At the end after the big fight between Laurie and Michael, she bests him and when the mask is pulled off its Corey. Then slowly the camera fades and dissolves as makes it journey through the town, into the tunnel and Michael is dead, but not because Corey killed him, Hes been dead for years. After the event of Kills Michael stumbles into the sewer and just bleeds to death. All the fear was in the end unfounded, a brutal sudden resurgence of death over one night and that was all.
Maybe the last shot is sometime later Laurie at the entrance to the sewer, ready to face her fear and confirm what Corey says in his death gasps about Michael's demise , the camera pans up as she makes her way in, resolved, strong and unafraid. Halloween ENDS.
NO. NO they shouldn't have......It was god damned Halloween Ends. It wasn't Corey and Laurie A Halloween Story........It was a mediocre Anthology story at best.....That should NOT have had anything to do with the end of a trilogy. It could have been an interesting Anthology story for the next film with Michael dead.
The movie was garbage. It was a god awful Halloween/Michael Myers story at best it was a mediocre After School Special about how bullying is bad....The town bullied Laurie, the town bullied Corey, the town bullied Alyson, Corey bullied Michael Myers. IF you wanted a to do a Corey anthology story, you have Corey floating around in A REAL Halloween Ends that's not dog shit....You do like 5 more passes on your Halloween Anthology story to make it something more than bullying is bad and you pitch that movie to Akkad as a Halloween Anthology story, not the end of a trilogy.....
Anyone who wants to cry now about "Hobo Michael" in H2 can eat a giant, massive fat cack now...Spending ONE year hiding outside of Haddonfield killing animals for food is a hell of alot better than T-U-R-T-L-E Power Michelangelo is a party dude living in the sewer lair for 4 years.....
Halloween Ends is The Last Jedi of Halloween movies. It was Corey & Laurie A Halloween Story after school special, not Halloween Ends the ending of a trilogy that has been built up in 2 prior movies tied to the 1978 movie.
@@lutherheggs451 That's a hilarious title
Plot Twist: Jay has been infected by the movie and will become the new MICHAEL MYERS. Mike will be his Loomis. 🤯
My boi Michael got bullied in the movie 💀
I enjoy the very very end. Where they show some of the spots Michael was lurking. I enjoyed how there was no music during it, as well. The original had the music playing
/his breathing while showing the spots. Probably meaning he’s gone gone. This time it’s different. Also was pretty interesting how Laurie kept his mask. It was laying on the table, I believe.
I didn’t notice the mask laying there. But I did like the very very end too. The original cut to all the places he had been exactly like that too. So I like that the final one ended the same way, with him gone for good this time. And then Don’t Fear the Reaper coming in was cool.
@@king_supreme1102 that song ahhh chef’s kiss. Love that song. Brought it all together
@@Rayspeace It made me think of Scream for some reason, though I do like it
@@LA_HA that didn’t cross my mind but I like it 🔥
When Corey donned the mask I also found myself still feeling like I was watching Michael. I thought at first the message they were going to blatantly go for was “the Shape is the mask, not the wearer” route. Regardless, I thought it was good! But I’m disappointed for a lot of it as an ending to this trilogy. But I’m hoping I’ll grow to be fond of it
yea because the Mask is Michael. No one can be michael except michael, no one can wear the mask and kill viciously around haddonfield except Michael. They ruined it
@@ReformedDeluge ☝️this
As just another sequel, or a reboot, this could have been a cool idea, but for the final movie in an over 40 year history?? Wtf were they thinking? And how did they get JLC to agree to this? Destroyed Allyson’s character, if you get Andi on, I’m curious to hear her thoughts. Hell even James Jude wasn’t happy I’m sure, goddamn what a mess. They really overthought everything over Covid, I’m curious to see the original plan. Welp, let’s see if we get something new within 5 years
I want Allyson to front her own trilogy cause her POTENTIAL is untapped
@@perryjones7771 they ruined it
Michael and Corey literally were a tag team
Turned his ass into Halloween Hamburger Helper
First, I need to say that I love the passion and genuine love that you all have for Michael. Ive said this on your channel’s comments before, but it is the exact same as my best friend and I, and I absolutely love that you all have the same respect and love for him. We are kindred spirits lol. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve taken it so personally when they fucked up Michaels story over the years.
* I was liking it to a certain point. We have been theorizing on the lore of Mike for over 20 years now. And when you explain shit, it takes away a lot of the creep factor. But there are ways to tell more about Mike without going so deep it gets cheesy.
*It was tapping into one of our biggest theories from the OG. We always kinda thought, when the camera is moving around the house at the beginning, it was like the “evil” looking for a host. Then it found little Michael and we got our man. I thought, like Jay said, that Mike was actually using Corey to recharge himself. I would have been cool with that.
* I agree about taking off the mask. Fuckin stop it. Michael is Mike with the mask, he’s not the human underneath.
*Honestly, we didn’t need Corey’s story. We didn’t need to feel sorry for him if he was gonna be viewed on Mikes level. WE DONT HUMANIZE MICHAEL,FOR FUCKS SAKE. And I’m with Jay on the idea that he didn’t feel empathy for Corey, it was more so that he was realizing he was a good candidate to take.
*At the end, when they showed Laurie’s house empty, panning around like the OG, it almost felt like the same thing as the evil looking for young Michael. And I didn’t hate that.
*The relationship between Allison and Corey started making it feel like an 80s thriller and it went on too long and wasted a ton of time.
*it’s like they had these ideas and didn’t commit. That’s what it felt like. It could have been so much better.
My friend and I feel like we’ve been assaulted by someone we trusted lol. I feel betrayed in a few ways.
But, like you guys said, as long as I still see Michael in the future, I’ll be fine. I just wanna see Mike takin names.
When Laurie pushed Michael in the grinder, I was hoping Michael would grab her and she would go in to.
I low key think Jamie wanted that yea
I wanted her to die so bad
no one can defend this movie , over 40 years since its first movie , that was a absolute disgrace to its legacy
I don't know what to think about this movie. I've watched it three times. I left the theater kind of stunned, and then immediately put it on again when I got home. I don't hate it but I will say - they did an exceptional job at making every single citizen of Haddonfield an insufferable asshole. Not a single sympathetic character to be found.
I’m starting to think maybe they didn’t know what they were doing with Michael from the start…
2018: back to more grounded, realistic dude in a mask…but super evil
Kills: oh I’m going full Hogan and hulking the fuck up to wreck this mob and win the Royal Rumble after that near fall. BTdubs, I can teleport now.
Ends: OK, I may have gone a little too hard, have you ever had a 4yr hangover? But these for real bloody Mary’s are giving me life…but maybe not because that new guy just took my mask? Psych, I’m still coming for you even if you slit my throat! Hey, no fair Allyson! No not my wrists…womp womp
Would have been cool as heck if Michael suddenly woke up at the meat grinder & pushed Laurie in instead 😂
Or atleast he wakes up and looks at laurie and shakes his head...lol
I thought he was going to pull her by the leg in that part and pull her in with him. Would of been crazy af 😂
Actually, I was thinking, Michael HAS to drag her in...Never happened!? There were so many missed opportunities, but they also did it right! IDK, im happy with the franchise! We won't see another Halloween movie for 5-7years!
And he looks at the camera and says “Sup, Happy Halloween Everybody “.
*Cuts to black. Halloween score hits*. I mean cause fuck it might as well have him speak in this shit fest
I’ll take that alternate ending
Hell yeah. And cut to black with the theme like in the end of H20
My wife said so what now they’re gonna do the ghost of Michael Myers LMAO
Idk if you could say Michael's death was unceremonious when they had a ceremony for him 😄
The rejected cremation Mike talks about in their newest video would have been a visual parallel to the ending of 2018 - giving Laurie closure to the trap she spent forty years building for him.
Also, it would tie in with the Loomis tape in 2018 and Laurie's cries of LET IT BURN in Kills.
Fuck Laurie strode she's not the franchise it's Michael's what do we hear in the opening credits who's theme do we hear it was revenge on moustapha akkad for h20 she has ruined this franchise with her bs
😂
For me Myers died in the hospital is Halloween 2.
The team up scene and the tussle for the mask completely took me out of it. Corey punked Michael WORSE than Busta Ryhmes did!
Almost walked out.
@@chrisbucci5769 Pretty sure I threw my hat on the ground at that part haha
You could literally feel the awkwardness in the audience I was with….it was rough
Actually thought them playing "Don't Fear the Reaper" I thought was pretty cool, because if you go back to the original movie when Laurie and Annie are driving to go babysit, if you listen carefully that's the song playing on the radio! Gotta be a nod to that.
If you listen closely in halloween ends There’s a grocery store verison of the song playing while Laurie and Hawkins are talking 😂
And here it goes…HOW THE FUCK DID WE NOT GET A BEN TRAMER CAMEO?!?!?!
Hearing this discussion was very cathartic! Loved hearing you guys go through all the stages of grief here. 😂
I think the biggest issue with Halloween Ends was that they weren’t upfront whatsoever with what we were getting. 🤷♂️
That’s something that I don’t understand if Michael is supernatural coming off 2018 and HK and then we have this film. I agree with Jay how Corey was a pawn to almost help rejuvenate Michaels strength and aura. I feel when Michael/Corey are killing together I feel that was helping Michael gain his strength again. The old guy questioned why Michael didn’t kill Corey. So it almost seems like Michael was looking for someone who had a darkness inside.
I think he *is* supernatural, just not “magical” or mystical.
But even superhuman characters have their limits. He still deadlifts a struggling, adult woman with one hand. A person can’t do that.
The homeless guy was just a crazy bum who unintentionally convinced Corey that he was “special” and had a kinship with Michael. And I think that Michael, going from weak to somewhat restored, eventually showed him otherwise.
J, I feel your pain man. Your face palms in this video perfectly describes Ends.
They should’ve just went with the thorn timeline if they didn’t wanna go in full depth of his evil..Also how did Myers show up to the doctors and her house? Did he get on the back of Corey’s motorcycle? 😂
YoungBug23: I thought he was following Corey around without him knowing -- like the scene when Laurie Strode saw him near the tree. But, that time, it seemed arranged by Corey because of how they treated Allyson
I side with the people who wanted Laurie to meet her date in a big way! The rule has always been “you can’t kill the boogeyman” and it’s not just a rule it was a fucking quote from H78. They should be forced to remake this movie lol
Exactly! You can’t kill the Boogeyman! Rule #1
Always love listening to both of you. Appreciate the passion that you always exhibit towards what you do. Keep up the great work gentlemen!
So damn frustrated, Corey, the 160 LB chess club member suplexes Michael and takes his mask?! WTF
There’s a lot I couldn’t comprehend about the movie.
I actually feel Corey was a missed opportunity to take up the boogeyman mantle after Michael.
IMO Corey should’ve been introduced in “2018” then gradually building up the character in “Kills” and then as a final product of Corey being just as evil as Michael in “Ends”.
As far as the ending I believe it could’ve been a better send off of Michael closing the 44 year chapter.
I would’ve been more satisfied if Michael had grabbed Laurie’s leg taking her with him to the grinder.
I just feel like they made Michael look like a bitch, especially after Corey punked Michael for his mask!🤦🏼♀️
That's exactly what I said. Honestly Michael could've died at the end of Kills and then Ends, could've been Laurie's Swan song and Ends could've been Corey's storyline, awakening.
I was thrown off by Corey. But I was thinking, ok he will be like the new Michael. But then he just dies, making that all seem pointless. If they just kept him as a new killer, it might’ve pissed people off, but would’ve made more sense then setting him up as a killer just for him to die.
I originally didn’t like ends but after a few rewatches I now appreciate how unique and different it is now
Better ending #1: Myers and Laurie fight. She gets the upper hand and blows his brains out. He still tries to get up and she unloads until he is dead.
Better ending #2: Longer fight at the end. As Laurie goes to kill him, the cops show up and stop her. Sending him back to prison. Then gets executed as Loomis described in '18.
Better ending #3: Corey attacks Laurie and she thinks it's Myers. They fight and she kills him. House is burning down. After, they believe its over. Laurie and Alyson have closure. We see The Shape walking off later into nowhere. Disappearing forever.
Anything was better than that POS.
This is like a 4.5/10 at best. They establish in H-Kills that more more Michael kills, the more he transcends. without making him supernatural then I don't buy how he was able to stand up and Kill Tommy and his mob at the end. Not only that but then be able to make it back to his house undetected, and kill Karen, then escape again.
The first half should have been Corey "Feeding" him essentially, and then the second should have been a fully revitalized Michael on a killing spree, after killing Corey of course because that is something pure evil would do.
The final scene should have been Michael and Lori Killing one another. What we got was Lori Killing a week and decrepit old man, not the embodiment of pure evil.
As the ending of a trilogy this movie is lackluster at best. You can't look at it as a standalone film, which is essentially what they did for the most part. A trilogy is a three-part story, that is why for the most part H-Kills was a good follow up to 2018, but this last one was so far removed, and completely dropps the ending of the 2nd movie. I just don't understand how they could read the script to this film, shoot it, and then think they have a winner on there hands.
I read a report that this movie underperformed at the box office and to be honest I'm actually glad to hear it. If I could warn fans not to watch this movie I would. They would honestly be better off watching Halloween: Resurrection, or Rob Zombie's Halloween 2, before watching this one.
Michael got pushed over by a kid who got beat up by band nerds
One of the worst Halloweens since Rob Zombies, who was this movie for? People who hate Michael Myers and logic. Some low iq are saying this will be a classic.
Explain this if you like this film:
1. Allyson for no reason instantly, from the first sight, falls madly in love with a serial killer, Corey. They have no chemistry and she is the only person who cant tell he's insane. Showing she is less intelligent than a mob screaming evil dies tonight. He literally tells her he killed someone recently, not the kid from 2019. I wanted them all to die from how foolish they were.
2. Myers is beaten and mask is stolen by a kid who was just beaten up by smaller children... which implies Myers could have been stopped by small children.
3. Myers is then destroyed by a 70 yr old woman in 1 on 1 combat, with nothing but her hands and a knife.
4. Myers could walk through fire hose pressure lift firefighters with all their gear on easily, now a few years later he stumbles and falls down at the fierce conflict of fussy children.
5. Myers is instantly best friends with Corey, pure evil, Michael Myers, not only doesn't kill an annoying kid bothering him in his pathetic sewer, but takes him under his wing and tries to teach him how to kill... Corey kills more than he does in this movie anyway, and he beats him up later.
There was that report a while ago that revealed that the original cut of the film, picks up where Kills leaves off, Laurie defeating Michael, leading to him retreating to the sewer,
Where she then announces over the radio tower that he’s gone.
Then it cuts to 2022.
Not sure if that was accurate, but if it was, it adds up with the film we got, the movie would’ve benefited from it I think.
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If they just showed a scene where Michael had to take the mask off for some reason and Corey comes and steals it without Myers seeing - That would be a far more respectful way for Corey to get the mask. Michael shouldn’t be weak enough to be wrestled down by the neighborhood nerd.
The pumpkin 🎃 guts in between Laurie’s hands 🙌 when she is talking to Lindsay & Allyson is foreshadowing what’s coming to Myers.
Same with the several times food exploded in the microwave as if Laurie put a Gremlin in it