The best part of the "By Odin's fade" line is that the Odin of this universe doesn't even fucking have a fade. You know what he does have tho? A GODDAMNED BEARD.
WOOOAAAAAAAAHHHH WOOOOAAAAHHHH WOOOOAAAAHHH WHAAAATTAAAAAHEEELLLLLLLLLLL ELL EEEL ELLL ELL MY BROTHA JORDAN NEVER WEAR THOSE DAMN SHOOEEEEEEESSSSSSSS YEEAAAAAAHHH YEEEEAAAAHHHH EEAAAAA WHY THEY BE CALLIN EM JORDANS
Man, we already had the fucking Raikage from Naruto and that whole nation specializing in lightning based jutsus without turning a land in the clouds into looking like a ghetto.
@@WeaponOfMyDestructio "Storm and Black Panther being married is trash so lets scrap the idea". That's it. So they changed it. Similar thing happened with Spider Man where one dumbass executive created "One More Day" bring Aunt May back to life from having naturally died of old age by making Peter make a deal with the devil Mephistopheles and in exchange for bring Aunt May back he took away his marriage with Mary Jane and his daughter was never born because of it.
@@reco5able At least Static Shock was fun. And, you know, had Static as a fully fleshed out character instead of just a vehicle to spout pop-culture references.
The what if comic where luke cage became Thor back in his full on blaxploitation days which consisted entirely of a single panel with the line "by the gleaming gates of funky Asgard, you suckers are gonna eat hammer!" Was less racially insensitive than this
Tbf, you could do basically anything with old-school Luke Cage. Dude literally borrowed the Fantastic 4s jet to go personally shake down _Dr. Doom_ for gig money.
@@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong And the best part it was only for 200 dollahs! And that interaction was fucking great. Man has principle. Can't be fucked over with his money!
This makes me really appreciate how Spider-verse was able to be authentic and not feel forced or tone deaf while also just being an amazing Spider-Man adventure.
Spiderverse is literally my favorite Spidey movie in large part because of this. The artstyle is great, the animation is stunning to look at, and the overall vibe has a surprising amount of heart, but what I always praise the absolute most about it is how Miles is a "main character who happens to be black, rather than a black main character"
@@perrydunetz882 He wasn't a deadbeat, he immediately rose to the occasion to save the multiverse and train Miles after one conversation. He was a hero despite what life threw at him. That's why it's such a perfect Spider-Man story, because he never gives up.
Making white Super heroes Black seems like the new trend in comics lol. Iam all in if they make a new black super but there just copy pasting old heroes and replacing them with black characters lol.
@@SyLuX636 Thats because the people in charge have no creativity or drive. they don't want to make a new character that they'll have to build up and make into something people like when they can copy paste a existing hero and then adjust their skin tone.
the wildest part was the author's response to everyone's criticism was a now-deleted tweet saying that people would've liked it more if he included "more upskirt shots" for some reason, as if the lack of anime fanservice is the reason this comic was a tone-deaf mess
When Woolie was describing it i thought he was exaggerating it. Then I looked it up and wow. Thats just.. Remember that song "Accidentally Racist"? Thats what runs through my mind with these things.
People who think they are "progressive allies" are often more racist then Racists. I remember how they treated some of my friends...its honestly horrible
I haven’t gotten to that part of the vid yet but it’s just THAT absurd that maybe you want to believe it’s a troll. I read panels and I couldn’t believe an actual writer under marvel/disney wrote this
Actually, the main credited writer is Latino and a friend of Double Toasted, which means he totally has black friends, but someone up the Marvel corporate ladder who approved of it definitely has used that phrase.
It was really weird when black Loki tried to trick black Thor into investing in a business called "The N-pass Experience" to provide it for The Spider-man: Lotus staff.
A neat little bonus I've seen pointed out was how that comic also continued the not really racist, but still really weird trend of giving black superheroes lightning powers.
Is it weird that even black creators have given black characters lightening powers, and people don't likely no if it is racists at all from a different country do it too
@@mikaelamonsterland Off the top of my head, I can think of Static Shock, Storm, Black Lightning, and Azari (Storm's son in the Next Avengers movie). I'm sure there's more, and it's a very weird trend.
It basically all stems directly from Black Lightning, every subsequent black superhero who zaps people is in some way paying homage to him. Static has them because he's a fusion dance of Black Lightning and Spider-Man. Storm doesn't have lightning powers per se, that's profiling, but if you had weather powers your reaction to most threats would be just to cast lightning bol toot. And Miles has them because there's absolutely nothing original about Miles. A good majority of the rest are just direct Black Lightning knock-offs, parodies or homages. Now you want to look at outright racist superhero comics trends, you go straight to black superheroes whose sole power is "good at skateboarding". Any of you out there haven't read Dwayne McDuffie's Teenage Negro Ninja Thrashers pitch (or as they called it in the UK, Teenage Half-Caste Hero Thrashers) do yourself a favor and check it out.
A theory I've read about how every lightning based superhero is black is an artistic descision. Their powers are by nature very colorful, so they have a dark costume and a darker skin tone to make the lightning pop out more.
Your right, it is. Problem of the point though is fucking the Odin they made in the one shot DIDN'T HAVE A FUCKING FADE. He was just bald. He did however have Timbs and a beard still.
@@trashman1605 that's a disenginous lie people say to dismiss or insult Morales, you do not actually have an argument as much as you have a repeated lie
@@trashman1605 And that, somehow, he's less poor than Peter, a man in his 40's with a doctorate who is also the ex-owner of a company that rivalled Stark industries. I hate the status quo of Spiderman so much. Let Peter catch a fucking break already and let him KEEP IT.
The funniest part is that Miles is mixed, he's black and hispanic. But every horrible writer just finds ways to remind us of him being black. This what if is just a dumpster of stereotypes, and I can't see how anyone honestly thought this would be liked.
What makes that even "better" is that the writer himself is a Latino man, so he could have leaned into that for his Miles, but instead he just went full black stereotype.
He's puertorican, you can be specific, don't worry. As for the writer being Mexican and not leaning into that, I can see why. Mexicans have a weird history of being racist to puertoricans for no reason at all.
I have had automatic, nonsensical reflex actions similar to the ones Pat and Woolie are talking about. However, in my case it was from playing VR. On a few occasions after playing, I have had the instinctive urge to turn my real-life body around by using thumbsticks. After playing Half Life: Alyx, I also had the occasional urge to grab something far away from me by pointing at it and flicking my wrist. The reflexes never actually translated into physical movement, but I could feel my body's urge to comply.
Weird they didn't also talk about the DC Comics Superboy pride special where he stops Damian Wayne from bringing explosives to Pride because he thought it was a Riot (not made clear if he wanted to stop it or bomb the cops mind you) because Superboy just goes "The struggle is over and pride is a party now no need to riot anymore" and then wears a cape with multiple pride flags on which eagle eyed viewers might spot among them the fucking Super Straight Flag.
Man, Bendis was one of the worst things to happen to the Superman line, arguably ever. Jon has been an embarrassing caricature ever since he took over, any trace of an actual character just vanished entirely in favor of him solely being "gay Superman".
The same woman who wrote that story for Jon also wrote her OC raping Nightwing, and blew off criticism at the time by saying along the lines of "its not rape, just nonconsensual sex"
Yehudi shouldn't be the only one catching heat for the comic issue. Comics like these aren't just made by a single person they're made by a team and the book had to get several thumbs up before it comes out. Where was the editorial team who allowed this to happen.
Love that the second half of this clip is just Pat and Woolie talking about how they've both Pavlov'd themselves through streaming and has nothing to do with Miles as Thor lol
To be fair, there's not much to talk about there. It's just another ivory-tower-dwelling comic book writer being racist and then blaming their racism on the people who took issue with it, which is something that always happens on days ending in Y.
So, how did they handle Loki? You know that adopted brother of another race that hides his real skin color? Is there any analogous thing they could do with this new setting?
@@RavenCloak13 Yes, I saw that. It doesn't make sense because Loki is supposed to be Thor's brother, not Odin's. Are we just meant to assume this means that the war between Asgard and the frost giants happened one generation earlier, and it was Bor who found Loki instead of Odin? And that's another thing: They could've done anything with the frost giants, but they decided to make the primary conflict a case of black-on-black violence.
You can tell pat don't know about that black stuff. He's looking for an opening. Trying to get inside. The tupac/biggie reference went right over his head. Woolie got a little too black. He remembers hit em up. He went back for a second.
As copied from the overwatch diversity chart: "What's funnier than accidental belligerent racism? Accidental belligerent racism in the name of diversity"
I forget who said it but I remember something that blew my mind because it isn’t wrong “The people who keep demanding Diversity are more racist than the people who are openly racist” open Racists don’t make huge campaigns and make millions of dollars, they don’t make a bunch of noise about it. The open racists are quiet, they wait until it’s safe and then they open their mouths. The diversity crowd on the other hand get tons of publicity, make giant projects, write books for the general public and make an absolute mockery of the races they want to champion with absolutely no self awareness.
My FAVORITE bit from the Spider-Man Lotus stuff is Jon Watts (the director of the Spider Man MCU movies) messaging Gavin Konop (the fan film director) in support years ago. Turns out: Gavin immediately went to his shitty group chat to say: "I just got a message from Jon Watts holy shit. His movies are still fucking GARB tho." LMAOOOOO insane.
For me, it's Miles Morales!Wolverine appearing at the end of the issue wearing timbs. Hmm, or maybe all those shoes hanging off telephone wires in Black Asgard? That's pretty dire.
All they needed to do was throw in a joke that Odin shaved his head recently and everyone thought he looked better with his fade and that would change the line from cringe to hilarious. Like his haircut is being eulogized.
Companies see comic books as window dressing for their films and shows. They can't be bothered to give any oversight because the revenue is a drop in the ocean for them. That is why sales in mainstream comics are plummeting and the amount of stupid controversies are rising; the departments were allowed to run wild for so long that they can't be reeled in anymore. The only comics worth buying now are with indie teams, because they care about the product at least.
What's worse is that Disney and WB are the only things keeping DC and Marvel from dying due to their lack of quality control, because comic sales don't matter compared to the billion dollar business of movie and tv show making. Though that is also going to catch up with them as Disney is moving forward with using bad comic book characters and ruin their own movie characters with terrible inconsistent writing. WB started out with bad writing and all of their main actors leaving or being criminals, so the only place their live action stuff can go is up at this point.
I 100% have done the thing that Woolie described. There have been times where I use my discord mute shortcut before I sneeze or cough, the worst part is that discord plays a noise when you mute/unmute so even when I was alone I'd wait for the noise to play and then unmute after before realizing that I wasn't in a discord call or VC.
When you do something a lot for a job, your muscle memory really fucks you some times. I drive a forklift every day at work, and the shifter to put it in drive, or reverse, is in the spot a blinker lever would normally be. So when I drive my truck, I regularly hit my blinker thinking I'm putting it in reverse, or drive, when I'm still in park.
Unrelated to the main topic, but it amuses me that Pat refers to the Halo Juneteenth as “the Bungie situation” even though Bungie hasn’t touched Halo in nearly a decade. I continue to feel real bad for 343. Not bad enough I won’t point and laugh, but still.
@@joedatius Imagine being so lackluster and forgettable in your handling of an IP that people instinctively replace you with the old owners even when discussing scandals. Fucking owie.
Remember black community, Marvel says you're not good enough to have more then 4 original black super heroes at a time, past that you get sloppy seconds cosplay from white super heroes That's lazy writing for yah!
yeah this is literally just a what if comic run. but thanks for telling the black community what you think they deserve while also having no idea what you're talking about. hey you should go work for marvel!
I'm a just drop a quote from one of the authors of this book, Yehudi "CHUCKY GOES TO CAMP" Mercado (his Twitter name), tweets that kind of shows that no, this man really wrote this of his own accord: "I should have added more upskirts shots and then you would have loved it!". Also, I just looked at more screen shots from one of the fucking main promotional stuff. Not only did this man make a Black Valkyrie say shit like "Hot wings coming in hot!" but deadass made the Frostgiants look like Black dudes to and it actually looks more racist cause they got the clubs and shit along with the fur (though I'm a be honest, one of them looks pretty cool with the fur trim and I'm a steal that idea) but fuck man... oh, this feels nice. Showed a Black friend it and he couldn't help but laugh either with how blatant some of this shit is. But like, how do you make Asgard turn into a ghetto? How do you make it so that a Kingdom of Gods gets turned into a fucking ghetto as soon as you make the majority of residence Black? How did nobody catch that?
Something that's pretty much not mentioned at all about this situation (unsurprising given what little rep we get, how little the US cares for us and also because Mexicans are unreasonably racist toward us for no reason???), is that Mile's *ENTIRE* puertorican side got absolutely swept away. Not even the slightest hint of it left. Nada.
I hate those fucking reflexes. My glasses often slide down my nose and I've developed a reflex to push them back up. Now even when I'm not wearing glasses, sometimes my brain just goes "oh time to push your glasses up" and I poke myself in the nose.
@@TigoODonnell it's the context for us here in México i mean ... I tought it was universal but maybe it means something else for american black people ?
I'm pretty sure you could ask some backwoods swamp hillbillies to write a Miles Morales story and it would come out as less eyewateringly cringy than this. It's beyond ignorance, it's living in a completely different reality.
Hey y’all I gotta ask why is fade the black equivalent of beard? Do black folks not have beards? Did whites invent beards? Why? Also does Odin even have a fade? He’s completely bald. Also I hate that they rhyme Loki with low key in the opening.
I don't know the full context of the story, but wasn't there some controversy recently about one of the DC fighting games and the lgbtq + community? Something about fighting or defending poison ivy?
This whole debacle reminded me how much Manga is curb stomping the comics industry, and how I need to catch up on jujutsu kaisen and demon slayer. So thanks in a way marvel
Making the switch from comics to manga was one of the best decisions I ever made. It's nice having stories with proper beginnings and endings, and aren't being constantly retconned because the series changed writers every other month.
The Spider-Man Lotus thing oughta be tempered, a lot of what's been coming out has been proven to be fake and we don't actually know how bad it is yet. For example, prior to this people started a rumor he had been refusing to pay people working on the movie, that was later proven false. And to my knowledge, he was the guy that shared a large number of screen shares and owned up to some of the things he said. IF what the director said is true the stuff that IS real is close to 10 years old and shit he used to say when he was an edgy teen. While the stuff the actor was caught saying was him using the n-word as slang in private conversations. Just keep that IF in mind.
The weird thing is that it could've worked if it was less racist (Lets be honest, Miles was a stereotype in that comic) Graffiti? Grew up in New York and did it with his friends prior to getting the hammer. Instead of graffiti-ing the hammer, he just does it on a random wall. Apollo or Odin sees it, "Wow, that's some cool shit, you mortals developed a new form of art since I last seen you?" Then they start talking, Miles asks why they're not mad and talks about how for years people would draw artwork on walls for various reasons. Etc. There's unironically a good story here but is mucked up by some of the worst writing for a black character I've seen since that one lady digging through garbage in Deus Ex.
Hell the lady digging through garbage can even be excused as a number of bums and less fortunate folk live in fucking squalor in a nation that had it's soul essentially ripped out by the Illuminati.
Juneteenth was not a technical error. 343 Industries Frank O'Connor, the Franchise Creative Director, was banned from ResetEra & NeoGAF for racist jokes
The guy who wrote Miles as Thor thinks people don't like it because it doesn't have enough pantyshots, so he's really the one to bring in the manga comparisons.
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The best part of the "By Odin's fade" line is that the Odin of this universe doesn't even fucking have a fade. You know what he does have tho?
A GODDAMNED BEARD.
And timbalands!
WOOOAAAAAAAAHHHH WOOOOAAAAHHHH WOOOOAAAAHHH WHAAAATTAAAAAHEEELLLLLLLLLLL ELL EEEL ELLL ELL MY BROTHA JORDAN NEVER WEAR THOSE DAMN SHOOEEEEEEESSSSSSSS YEEAAAAAAHHH YEEEEAAAAHHHH EEAAAAA WHY THEY BE CALLIN EM JORDANS
I hope if there's a next issue Miles will say something like "By Freyja's weave"
my best guess is that maybe he had a fade at one point but
I will admit that is a fucking glorious beard.
Besides, White or Black, Odin would have a beard. 🤷🏾♀️
The world was not ready for The Exaggerated Swagger of a Black God of Thunder
Man, we already had the fucking Raikage from Naruto and that whole nation specializing in lightning based jutsus without turning a land in the clouds into looking like a ghetto.
it's so cringe because storm has been Thor before
@@WeaponOfMyDestructio
Fuck, they had the son of Storm and Black Panther who gained lightning powers to and could conjure a lightning panther form.
@@RavenCloak13 shit really? Why do they keep throwing these characters out is it like a rights thing or something cuz that sounds pretty badass
@@WeaponOfMyDestructio
"Storm and Black Panther being married is trash so lets scrap the idea".
That's it. So they changed it. Similar thing happened with Spider Man where one dumbass executive created "One More Day" bring Aunt May back to life from having naturally died of old age by making Peter make a deal with the devil Mephistopheles and in exchange for bring Aunt May back he took away his marriage with Mary Jane and his daughter was never born because of it.
"Hmm, how do we convey that Miles Morales is Thor now?"
"GRAFFITI AND SHOES ON POWER LINES! THAT'S WHAT BLACK PEOPLE DO!"
That’s just static shock but with extra steps and makes no sense
@@reco5able At least Static Shock was fun. And, you know, had Static as a fully fleshed out character instead of just a vehicle to spout pop-culture references.
@@felixdaniels37 I know just pointing out how marvel messed up big and dumb it is
@@felixdaniels37 man static was the shit, even older static was awesome
The what if comic where luke cage became Thor back in his full on blaxploitation days which consisted entirely of a single panel with the line "by the gleaming gates of funky Asgard, you suckers are gonna eat hammer!" Was less racially insensitive than this
Tbf, you could do basically anything with old-school Luke Cage. Dude literally borrowed the Fantastic 4s jet to go personally shake down _Dr. Doom_ for gig money.
@@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong
“Where’s my money, honey?” - Luke Cage
@@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong
And the best part it was only for 200 dollahs! And that interaction was fucking great. Man has principle. Can't be fucked over with his money!
@@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong old school Luke Cage was such a man
@@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong He also called Doom "son of a witch", which is less of an insult to be honest.
“Of all the five realms, Asgard was his hood” has immediately become my favorite line in all of comic history
This makes me really appreciate how Spider-verse was able to be authentic and not feel forced or tone deaf while also just being an amazing Spider-Man adventure.
Spiderverse is literally my favorite Spidey movie in large part because of this.
The artstyle is great, the animation is stunning to look at, and the overall vibe has a surprising amount of heart, but what I always praise the absolute most about it is how Miles is a "main character who happens to be black, rather than a black main character"
Kind of crazy what happens when you write characters like real people instead of a checklist for representation
PREACH
Spiderverse succeeded by forcing Peter to act like a deadbeat to make miles look better, it’s very forced
@@perrydunetz882 He wasn't a deadbeat, he immediately rose to the occasion to save the multiverse and train Miles after one conversation. He was a hero despite what life threw at him. That's why it's such a perfect Spider-Man story, because he never gives up.
"Quick, what do we know about Miles Morales?"
"Uh, he's black and he's a graffiti artist and--"
"GOOD ENOUGH! THOR HIM UP"
Comic miles doesn't even tag
Making white Super heroes Black seems like the new trend in comics lol. Iam all in if they make a new black super but there just copy pasting old heroes and replacing them with black characters lol.
@@SyLuX636 Thats because the people in charge have no creativity or drive. they don't want to make a new character that they'll have to build up and make into something people like when they can copy paste a existing hero and then adjust their skin tone.
Marvel CEO: "We simply believe that black superheroes deserve the same opportunities and books as normal superheroes."
Poor superheroes can save the world just as well as white superheroes can.
@@Shadest God damn it that was the original quote wasn't it? Thank you for having a better memory lol
the shoes on the power line center frame really got me
@@blueblazer9991 It was the graffiti on literally every wall that got me.
If you think about it black super heroes are almost like regular super heroes.
the wildest part was the author's response to everyone's criticism was a now-deleted tweet saying that people would've liked it more if he included "more upskirt shots" for some reason, as if the lack of anime fanservice is the reason this comic was a tone-deaf mess
He wasn't 100% wrong. But was still a dumbass for not realizing how cringy, and asinine this comic was going to be.
Tone deaf and dumb. At least it's not the X-Men Gold drama. Anyone remember that horrid mess?
@@shadowednight1600 was that the one where the artist hid homophobic bible versus in the background?
You can really feel the insecurity in his comment, the tacit acknowledgement that manga is absolutely destroying comics in relevancy and sales.
@@shadowwolf9955 I beleve so
When Woolie was describing it i thought he was exaggerating it. Then I looked it up and wow. Thats just..
Remember that song "Accidentally Racist"? Thats what runs through my mind with these things.
I saw people shitting on it on Twitter and thought to myself: "it can't be that bad, people are just exaggerating."
It is 200% THAT BAD.
People who think they are "progressive allies" are often more racist then Racists. I remember how they treated some of my friends...its honestly horrible
I had never heard of that song until now, so I looked it up.
I am now afraid to ask whether or not it is satire.
@@PrismPoint it was not
I’ve seen the panels for that comic. It’s so absurd that you could genuinely believe it’s satire or in a show like the boys
I haven’t gotten to that part of the vid yet but it’s just THAT absurd that maybe you want to believe it’s a troll. I read panels and I couldn’t believe an actual writer under marvel/disney wrote this
@@Spider-Complexion i ain't surprised
More like Saints Row or GTA
The boys wouldn’t even go this far not even the comics would
This comic was written 100% by someone who uses the phrase colored folk.
Would you say this comic is....one of the good ones?
@@bargaintuesday812 The person that wrote it sure would.
I thought the artist was Mexican
Actually, the main credited writer is Latino and a friend of Double Toasted, which means he totally has black friends, but someone up the Marvel corporate ladder who approved of it definitely has used that phrase.
@@chrisossu2070 lot of bad faith actors over this situation. Sigh.
It was really weird when black Loki tried to trick black Thor into investing in a business called "The N-pass Experience" to provide it for The Spider-man: Lotus staff.
By Odin’s Fade!
"How do you do fellow POC" -The writer
He may as well have said the n word
A neat little bonus I've seen pointed out was how that comic also continued the not really racist, but still really weird trend of giving black superheroes lightning powers.
Is it weird that even black creators have given black characters lightening powers, and people don't likely no if it is racists at all from a different country do it too
i never thought about that before but as soon as i read this i thought of like 5 black characters with lightning and that feels weird af
@@mikaelamonsterland
Off the top of my head, I can think of Static Shock, Storm, Black Lightning, and Azari (Storm's son in the Next Avengers movie). I'm sure there's more, and it's a very weird trend.
It basically all stems directly from Black Lightning, every subsequent black superhero who zaps people is in some way paying homage to him. Static has them because he's a fusion dance of Black Lightning and Spider-Man. Storm doesn't have lightning powers per se, that's profiling, but if you had weather powers your reaction to most threats would be just to cast lightning bol toot. And Miles has them because there's absolutely nothing original about Miles. A good majority of the rest are just direct Black Lightning knock-offs, parodies or homages.
Now you want to look at outright racist superhero comics trends, you go straight to black superheroes whose sole power is "good at skateboarding". Any of you out there haven't read Dwayne McDuffie's Teenage Negro Ninja Thrashers pitch (or as they called it in the UK, Teenage Half-Caste Hero Thrashers) do yourself a favor and check it out.
A theory I've read about how every lightning based superhero is black is an artistic descision.
Their powers are by nature very colorful, so they have a dark costume and a darker skin tone to make the lightning pop out more.
Okay, but "by Odin's fade" legitimately got me, whole thing was worth it just for that.
that asgardian on asgardian violence, we don't talk about that anymore that aint good for nobody.
Don't quote the stats on that
I hope "You've just netflixed yourself" gets more usage in the coming years.
In all fairness “by odin’s fade” is a absolutely hilarious line and should be used more often
Your right, it is. Problem of the point though is fucking the Odin they made in the one shot DIDN'T HAVE A FUCKING FADE. He was just bald. He did however have Timbs and a beard still.
@@RavenCloak13 "By Odin's Timbs" sounds good as well.
Get the insomniac and spider verse writers to write Miles cause goddamn they the only who actually write him like a person.
You got two different but perfect versions of the character right there to base off of.
You do know most of the lead writers in that game and movie are current marvel Spider-Man writers right
@@daybreakcd209 That should make things easier then.
Someone really wrote lines like "by Odin's fade" and went "this is how those black people talk they will surely love this"
BY THE POWER OF MY UNREGISTERED MJOLNIR I SHALL STRIKE THEE DOWN
I lost my shit when I saw that Asgard still had sneakers on telephone wires
"Hammer Time"
I burst into laughter when I saw that was real.
Kung Fury did it better.
Poor miles can't catch a break. First they don't let him be his own thing and now this
He is his own thing, Spider-man
@@Americanbadashh his personality and motives are the same as peter, the only difference between him and Peter is that he has electric powers
@@trashman1605 that's a disenginous lie people say to dismiss or insult Morales, you do not actually have an argument as much as you have a repeated lie
@@Americanbadashh not anymore
@@trashman1605 And that, somehow, he's less poor than Peter, a man in his 40's with a doctorate who is also the ex-owner of a company that rivalled Stark industries.
I hate the status quo of Spiderman so much. Let Peter catch a fucking break already and let him KEEP IT.
The funniest part is that Miles is mixed, he's black and hispanic. But every horrible writer just finds ways to remind us of him being black. This what if is just a dumpster of stereotypes, and I can't see how anyone honestly thought this would be liked.
What makes that even "better" is that the writer himself is a Latino man, so he could have leaned into that for his Miles, but instead he just went full black stereotype.
@@Ketsuekisan
You'd think they'd make stories that go into Miles and his Latino heritage. But because he looks black, that's all he is to everyone.
One drop rule in action.
He's puertorican, you can be specific, don't worry. As for the writer being Mexican and not leaning into that, I can see why. Mexicans have a weird history of being racist to puertoricans for no reason at all.
I have had automatic, nonsensical reflex actions similar to the ones Pat and Woolie are talking about. However, in my case it was from playing VR. On a few occasions after playing, I have had the instinctive urge to turn my real-life body around by using thumbsticks. After playing Half Life: Alyx, I also had the occasional urge to grab something far away from me by pointing at it and flicking my wrist.
The reflexes never actually translated into physical movement, but I could feel my body's urge to comply.
oof xD
Have your powers awakened yet?
Kinda like how astronauts have to readjust to having gravity, like you cant just let go of something and instead have to place it down
@@Wha0e0er I get what you mean but that's more due to their literal bone density and spinal structure changing in zero G lol
a common non-gaming version of this is artists who usually do digital art trying to ctrl+z mistakes while doing traditional art
Weird they didn't also talk about the DC Comics Superboy pride special where he stops Damian Wayne from bringing explosives to Pride because he thought it was a Riot (not made clear if he wanted to stop it or bomb the cops mind you) because Superboy just goes "The struggle is over and pride is a party now no need to riot anymore" and then wears a cape with multiple pride flags on which eagle eyed viewers might spot among them the fucking Super Straight Flag.
oof
Man, Bendis was one of the worst things to happen to the Superman line, arguably ever. Jon has been an embarrassing caricature ever since he took over, any trace of an actual character just vanished entirely in favor of him solely being "gay Superman".
My gosh, "the struggle is over" huh? You know without a doubt that whoever wrote that had certain opinions back before homosexuality was legal.
@@felixdaniels37 Superman is being written by Tom Taylor right now, including when Jon came out I believe
The same woman who wrote that story for Jon also wrote her OC raping Nightwing, and blew off criticism at the time by saying along the lines of "its not rape, just nonconsensual sex"
In that sense of thinking, won’t the opposite be Thor be in an Asgard trailer park and mjonir be a gun instead while he talks about freedom?
Then there would be a Jesus indentation on Mjolnir so that Mjolnir is like a cross.
I would read the FUCK outta that holy shit!!
That's just Peacemaker.
he would paint a rebel flag on mjnoir and but truck nuts on a chartoitte
Naw, thats for Beta-Ray Bill to be Billy-Ray Bill
Yehudi shouldn't be the only one catching heat for the comic issue. Comics like these aren't just made by a single person they're made by a team and the book had to get several thumbs up before it comes out. Where was the editorial team who allowed this to happen.
Editor's don't exist in marvel comics.
@@waterking74 true
Its not that editors dont exist, current Marvel is full of people that do this kind of shit
@@conected the same marvel " editors" that okay radioactive semen spiderman.
Love that the second half of this clip is just Pat and Woolie talking about how they've both Pavlov'd themselves through streaming and has nothing to do with Miles as Thor lol
To be fair, there's not much to talk about there. It's just another ivory-tower-dwelling comic book writer being racist and then blaming their racism on the people who took issue with it, which is something that always happens on days ending in Y.
So, how did they handle Loki? You know that adopted brother of another race that hides his real skin color? Is there any analogous thing they could do with this new setting?
No, he’s just this universe’s Aaron Davis. Which makes absolutely no sense, but whatever.
its a what if comic so they will not talk about it since the last one was miles if he was wolverine
Loki is just his uncle. You see it at the beginning and also how Loki is tagged on his hammer.
@@ChrisMerkelStudios
If you see what the Frostgiants look like in that comic it does actually.
@@RavenCloak13 Yes, I saw that. It doesn't make sense because Loki is supposed to be Thor's brother, not Odin's. Are we just meant to assume this means that the war between Asgard and the frost giants happened one generation earlier, and it was Bor who found Loki instead of Odin?
And that's another thing: They could've done anything with the frost giants, but they decided to make the primary conflict a case of black-on-black violence.
The exaggerated swagger of a young black god
You can tell pat don't know about that black stuff. He's looking for an opening. Trying to get inside. The tupac/biggie reference went right over his head.
Woolie got a little too black. He remembers hit em up. He went back for a second.
Ever since the Xavier Woods comment Woolie turned up the dial so it never happens again.
As copied from the overwatch diversity chart:
"What's funnier than accidental belligerent racism? Accidental belligerent racism in the name of diversity"
I forget who said it but I remember something that blew my mind because it isn’t wrong “The people who keep demanding Diversity are more racist than the people who are openly racist” open Racists don’t make huge campaigns and make millions of dollars, they don’t make a bunch of noise about it. The open racists are quiet, they wait until it’s safe and then they open their mouths. The diversity crowd on the other hand get tons of publicity, make giant projects, write books for the general public and make an absolute mockery of the races they want to champion with absolutely no self awareness.
But it is a "What if" story. How is that in the name of diversity?
@@Diinytro is that a serious question?
@@Broomer52 Yes. "What if"s don't usually have big impacts on canon stories. How would it help with diversity?
@@Diinytro it doesn’t need to be canon, what kind of logic is that?
Boy, the first minute and a half of this one really captures the duality of man.
My FAVORITE bit from the Spider-Man Lotus stuff is Jon Watts (the director of the Spider Man MCU movies) messaging Gavin Konop (the fan film director) in support years ago. Turns out: Gavin immediately went to his shitty group chat to say: "I just got a message from Jon Watts holy shit. His movies are still fucking GARB tho." LMAOOOOO insane.
Pat's living life like Jim from The Office lol *looks at camera*
For me, it's Miles Morales!Wolverine appearing at the end of the issue wearing timbs.
Hmm, or maybe all those shoes hanging off telephone wires in Black Asgard? That's pretty dire.
Barbecue: Sounds slightly threatening
Cookout: Friendly and inviting
Odin didn't even have a fade!
All they needed to do was throw in a joke that Odin shaved his head recently and everyone thought he looked better with his fade and that would change the line from cringe to hilarious. Like his haircut is being eulogized.
Spider-man Lotus: With White Power comes the White Man's Burden
"I didn't hear about that second one
*Pat's eyes light up*
Companies see comic books as window dressing for their films and shows. They can't be bothered to give any oversight because the revenue is a drop in the ocean for them. That is why sales in mainstream comics are plummeting and the amount of stupid controversies are rising; the departments were allowed to run wild for so long that they can't be reeled in anymore. The only comics worth buying now are with indie teams, because they care about the product at least.
What's worse is that Disney and WB are the only things keeping DC and Marvel from dying due to their lack of quality control, because comic sales don't matter compared to the billion dollar business of movie and tv show making.
Though that is also going to catch up with them as Disney is moving forward with using bad comic book characters and ruin their own movie characters with terrible inconsistent writing. WB started out with bad writing and all of their main actors leaving or being criminals, so the only place their live action stuff can go is up at this point.
It's Thorbin Time
Thor *DARK* world
A Marvel writer, throwing a durag at a group of black people minding their business:
"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!"
The guy that wrote this was Mexican tho
@@uncoomf3279 they said Marvel writer, not white person.
Although I understand how the two can be confused
@@uncoomf3279 Sir, are you okay?
@@uncoomf3279 That doesn't make it any less stupid, insulting, and outdated.
@@kamakachow1 Malcom X was right about White leftists.
Miles Thor-ales "By Odin's Fade!" Odin in this universe (Bald)...
Woke: the spider-man fan film from the 90s where a pro skater was really swinging around on buildings from a rope
Broke: spider-man white lotus
Btw while the comic Kevin Conroy (voice of Batman from BTAS and the Arkham games) wrote a comic for DC Pride. Very good read I highly encourage.
I 100% have done the thing that Woolie described. There have been times where I use my discord mute shortcut before I sneeze or cough, the worst part is that discord plays a noise when you mute/unmute so even when I was alone I'd wait for the noise to play and then unmute after before realizing that I wasn't in a discord call or VC.
I swear the longer that time goes on, the more Pat and Woolie switch personalities
When you do something a lot for a job, your muscle memory really fucks you some times. I drive a forklift every day at work, and the shifter to put it in drive, or reverse, is in the spot a blinker lever would normally be. So when I drive my truck, I regularly hit my blinker thinking I'm putting it in reverse, or drive, when I'm still in park.
It's the Speed Force Woolie. You ain't gotta explain shit!
We need a a "Hello my fellow kids" edit for this.
Unrelated to the main topic, but it amuses me that Pat refers to the Halo Juneteenth as “the Bungie situation” even though Bungie hasn’t touched Halo in nearly a decade. I continue to feel real bad for 343.
Not bad enough I won’t point and laugh, but still.
to be fair thats probably just force of habit along with 343 having literally no memorable qualities aside from making the bad stuff of new halo
@@joedatius Imagine being so lackluster and forgettable in your handling of an IP that people instinctively replace you with the old owners even when discussing scandals.
Fucking owie.
Remember black community, Marvel says you're not good enough to have more then 4 original black super heroes at a time, past that you get sloppy seconds cosplay from white super heroes
That's lazy writing for yah!
Isn't this story just a typical "What if"?
yeah this is literally just a what if comic run.
but thanks for telling the black community what you think they deserve while also having no idea what you're talking about. hey you should go work for marvel!
When you mentioned Everything Is Awful I got a flashback to Jim Baker's Buckets.
As stupid as this was, Miles would for sure be worthy. Lol
its nice to know Woolie and Pat think about us outside stream ahahahahaha
By Odin's fade does anyone know what 'white lady hip hop' Woolie is referencing?
Dena Rizzo showcase at Showstopper Dance Concention 2010
This has to be her. Lady got moves I'll give her that. Especially at her age.
I'm a just drop a quote from one of the authors of this book, Yehudi "CHUCKY GOES TO CAMP" Mercado (his Twitter name), tweets that kind of shows that no, this man really wrote this of his own accord: "I should have added more upskirts shots and then you would have loved it!".
Also, I just looked at more screen shots from one of the fucking main promotional stuff. Not only did this man make a Black Valkyrie say shit like "Hot wings coming in hot!" but deadass made the Frostgiants look like Black dudes to and it actually looks more racist cause they got the clubs and shit along with the fur (though I'm a be honest, one of them looks pretty cool with the fur trim and I'm a steal that idea) but fuck man... oh, this feels nice.
Showed a Black friend it and he couldn't help but laugh either with how blatant some of this shit is. But like, how do you make Asgard turn into a ghetto? How do you make it so that a Kingdom of Gods gets turned into a fucking ghetto as soon as you make the majority of residence Black? How did nobody catch that?
I was not ready for that rastafarian chicken.
if it happened in an 80s or 90s comic youd be like "ah heh well im sure they meant well ha ha..." lands slightly off in modern day
Can't wait for what if Gwen Stacy was Black Panther where she opens a bunch of mayo shops and yogurt bars in Wakanda. Or did they already do that?
Marvel: do we a.) Get an author that actually knows how to write miles or b.) Just go blackity blackity black y'all, hmm tough choices
I love the fact that they actually barely talked about the actual topic
Why did Woolie say the opening to Hit Em Up so white
I saw it in the previews months ago I knew it was going to be bad news
I normally don't watch these, but you used the exact same name for him that I did, so you got me.
Something that's pretty much not mentioned at all about this situation (unsurprising given what little rep we get, how little the US cares for us and also because Mexicans are unreasonably racist toward us for no reason???), is that Mile's *ENTIRE* puertorican side got absolutely swept away. Not even the slightest hint of it left. Nada.
brown people mean black obviously. if there is ever any kind of mixed race its only white and black?
excuse me puertorican? is that mexican?
2:01 The clarification was in the last clip though...
Bifrost and Timbs. What.
The graffiti on the hammer is what kills me...just wow
I hate those fucking reflexes. My glasses often slide down my nose and I've developed a reflex to push them back up.
Now even when I'm not wearing glasses, sometimes my brain just goes "oh time to push your glasses up" and I poke myself in the nose.
Woolie talking about racist bullshit is always comedy gold.
by odin's fade LMAO
I feel like this was one of those where people did the Rambo Handshake over it being so cringe
Predator, but yes
Pat: New Spider-Man fan film!!!
Me: freaking rad
Pat: Made by White Supremacist!!!
Me:....that's not fair.
Pardon My ignorance but ... Down here in México .... Isnt shoes on cables indicate a drug sale point ?
Sometimes, yes.
holy sh!t really! there were so many shoes on cables where i was growing up and i never saw a druggie until the day i visited my cousins in LA
The writer is Latino, but he should’ve researched what they actually mean in the context of black neighborhoods
[ Real-life easter egg discovered ]
@@TigoODonnell it's the context for us here in México i mean ... I tought it was universal but maybe it means something else for american black people ?
Does Pat hate bungie that much that he confused them with 343 for the juneteenth mishap?
The bonobo code was from Bungie originally but it’s possible
I remember back to the old channel when woolie went through the issues where wolverine became black and immediately goes to the hood for info.
just like the punisher I see
I'm pretty sure you could ask some backwoods swamp hillbillies to write a Miles Morales story and it would come out as less eyewateringly cringy than this. It's beyond ignorance, it's living in a completely different reality.
Yeah, this comic... it exists. That's all I got to say.
It just exists 😅
Hey y’all I gotta ask why is fade the black equivalent of beard? Do black folks not have beards? Did whites invent beards? Why? Also does Odin even have a fade? He’s completely bald. Also I hate that they rhyme Loki with low key in the opening.
I’m just here to say Berserk is back baby!!!
Man, Marvel is DESPERATE to replicate the success of Static with Miles Morales and to this day in the comics, my opinion is still "he's boring"
At least we still got The Flash movie, right guys?
Bait us with the Thor-ales talk but is actually about Streamzofrenia
I don't know the full context of the story, but wasn't there some controversy recently about one of the DC fighting games and the lgbtq + community? Something about fighting or defending poison ivy?
It was an event in a mobile game where they had you beat Poison Ivy. It happened last year, I think.
@@BrazillianCara this is all the context I have ruclips.net/video/nSQIroToWcw/видео.html
Yeah what the other guy said. It was last year.
This comic was a different type of marvel bias
This whole debacle reminded me how much Manga is curb stomping the comics industry, and how I need to catch up on jujutsu kaisen and demon slayer. So thanks in a way marvel
Making the switch from comics to manga was one of the best decisions I ever made. It's nice having stories with proper beginnings and endings, and aren't being constantly retconned because the series changed writers every other month.
@@kamikazelemming1552 or abruptly ends because of middling sales and so it gets absorbed into another character series you don't care about
Did Pat cut off his eyebrows?
The Spider-Man Lotus thing oughta be tempered, a lot of what's been coming out has been proven to be fake and we don't actually know how bad it is yet.
For example, prior to this people started a rumor he had been refusing to pay people working on the movie, that was later proven false.
And to my knowledge, he was the guy that shared a large number of screen shares and owned up to some of the things he said.
IF what the director said is true the stuff that IS real is close to 10 years old and shit he used to say when he was an edgy teen.
While the stuff the actor was caught saying was him using the n-word as slang in private conversations.
Just keep that IF in mind.
Talking about the shitty racist portrayal of Miles and Thor and then switching to Spider-man Lotus is so good, you can’t make this shit up
The weird thing is that it could've worked if it was less racist (Lets be honest, Miles was a stereotype in that comic)
Graffiti? Grew up in New York and did it with his friends prior to getting the hammer. Instead of graffiti-ing the hammer, he just does it on a random wall.
Apollo or Odin sees it, "Wow, that's some cool shit, you mortals developed a new form of art since I last seen you?" Then they start talking, Miles asks why they're not mad and talks about how for years people would draw artwork on walls for various reasons.
Etc.
There's unironically a good story here but is mucked up by some of the worst writing for a black character I've seen since that one lady digging through garbage in Deus Ex.
Hell the lady digging through garbage can even be excused as a number of bums and less fortunate folk live in fucking squalor in a nation that had it's soul essentially ripped out by the Illuminati.
I POSTED THIS ON THE SUB WE DID IT BOYS
Juneteenth was not a technical error. 343 Industries Frank O'Connor, the Franchise Creative Director, was banned from ResetEra & NeoGAF for racist jokes
"was banned from ResetEra & NeoGAF for racis-" Woah hold on there you are in serious breach of thinking people give a fuck about what they think
Berserk and Hunter x Hunter coming back
*Meanwhile here in the West:*
thor *DARK* world
@@joebin3106 Holy shit that is an under-rated joke
How is that related?
The guy who wrote Miles as Thor thinks people don't like it because it doesn't have enough pantyshots, so he's really the one to bring in the manga comparisons.
@@Ketsuekisan But why compare this stand alone comic to 2 decades old long running series exiting their hiatus?